---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/01/03: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:21 AM - Re: windscreen fairing cracks/vibrations (Arthur and Christine) 2. 06:18 AM - Re: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? (Phil Birkelbach) 3. 06:39 AM - Fw: Whelen Strobe Location (Elsa & Henry) 4. 07:06 AM - Re: Whelen Strobe Location (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 09:11 AM - 700th Flight (John) 6. 10:06 AM - Re: 700th Flight (Konrad Werner) 7. 10:26 AM - Re: 700th Flight (Alex Peterson) 8. 11:14 AM - Air Drill? (Chris W) 9. 12:13 PM - Re: Air Drill? (Kenneth Beene) 10. 12:33 PM - RV-10 Pix (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 11. 01:14 PM - Re: RV-10 Pix (KostaLewis) 12. 01:18 PM - porposing (Dr. Leathers) 13. 01:34 PM - Re: RV-10 Pix (Kevin Horton) 14. 02:19 PM - Re: porposing (James Jula) 15. 02:24 PM - Re: RV-10 Pix (Scott B. Corey) 16. 02:33 PM - Re: RV-10 Pix (Chris W) 17. 03:04 PM - Re: porposing (Dr. Leathers) 18. 03:07 PM - Re: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? (Dan Checkoway) 19. 03:28 PM - Re: porposing (Robert Miller) 20. 03:34 PM - 6113 Canopy deck & 6105 Sub panel angel connection. (BillRVSIX@aol.com) 21. 03:43 PM - Re: porposing (Canyon) 22. 03:50 PM - Archives () 23. 04:42 PM - Re: porposing (Alex Peterson) 24. 05:19 PM - Re: 6113 Canopy deck & 6105 Sub panel angel connection. (Jeff Orear) 25. 05:41 PM - Green Bay RVers (Kevin Horton) 26. 05:43 PM - Re: Archives (Jim Jewell) 27. 05:46 PM - Re: Archives (Paul Besing) 28. 05:49 PM - Re: porposing (SportAV8R@aol.com) 29. 06:24 PM - Re: porposing (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 30. 06:27 PM - Re: porpoising (Sam Buchanan) 31. 06:37 PM - engine primer system (chris m) 32. 07:23 PM - Re: porpoising (Dr. Leathers) 33. 08:05 PM - Re: Air Drill? (Jeff Dowling) 34. 08:41 PM - Re: regulator wiring and mixture cable question (Larygagnon@aol.com) 35. 08:47 PM - [ Len Leggette ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 36. 08:53 PM - [ Wayne Petrus ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 37. 09:03 PM - [ Dave Pohl ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 38. 09:09 PM - [ Cash Copeland ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 39. 09:21 PM - [ Tom Garner ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 40. 09:36 PM - [ Bill Gunn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 41. 10:52 PM - Re: RV-10 Pix (Tedd McHenry) 42. 10:53 PM - Re: Air Drill? (Chris W) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:13 AM PST US From: "Arthur and Christine" Subject: Re: RV-List: windscreen fairing cracks/vibrations --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" Our fairing was made seperate from the windscreen and fuse then glued to both with PRC (fuel tank sealant). I have managed to crack the paint in this area through pushing down on the skin with one hand when cleaning the windshield. Cracked the paint in two places as I am a slow learner! See no noticable flexing in this area when starting. O-360 with sensenich prop. Arthur Whitehead RV-8 ZK-KCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RV-List: windscreen fairing cracks/vibrations > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > Listers, > > I have been living with several cracks in my paint along the base of my > windscreen fairing where it blends into the fuselage deck. This happened > early after I had the plane painted and I am pretty much convinced it's from > that Lycosaur wet-dog rattle that it always does upon startup. I mean, the > whole front end of the airplane just gets wracked when it fires off. Have > any of you folks had this same problem? > > I used carbon fiber and glass tape to lay up the fairing, and it was filled > with Vari prime before final paint application. Nothing terribly unusual > there. I put almost 100 hours on the airplane before paint, and the fairing > showed no signs at all of stress. Maybe the paint is too thick or brittle, > primer wasn't applied properly, or not adhering? (PPG metallic urethane with > clearcoat.) It's not truly a "fairing", I suppose, as it's permanently > adhered to the windshield and fuse. I scuffed up both surfaces plenty well > and cleaned before applying the resin and carbon/glass tapes. > > The windscreen is quite securely attached to the airplane, but that twisting > motion must have been just enough to tweak the paint. It's not all that > noticeable from a distance (not at all actually) but looks crappy up close. > My engine is O-360 with a metal 72FM Sensenich prop. Yeah, I know...a shaky > combination. > > Thanks for any input you may have. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > the -10 flies! Uh oh...where's my credit card > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:37 AM PST US From: "Phil Birkelbach" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" Hey Dan, I just went out and checked and I am using 6D 2" finish nails. I guess there is some variation from brand to brand. If you want I can send you a bunch of mine. BTW I got the T. Thanks a million that will help a lot Godspeed, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > This is probably a stupid question, but I finally ran out of the nails that > came with my Avery 3/32" pop rivet dimple die set. I find that 5D nails are > a bit too small for the task, and 6D nails are definitely too big. The > nails that came with the dies are some 'tweener size. Can anybody point me > at a source for these nails? Lowe's was stumped, and I'm no carpenter -- I > can barely build an airframe... 8-) > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:07 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Fw: RV-List: Whelen Strobe Location --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" > > I'd like to mount the power supply forward of the Panel next to the radio stack. Has anyone any experience with this location? Any EMF, buzzing or interference with the radios or any other systems from the strobe power supply mounted here? > Chuck Weyant I think you would be taking a big risk to put it there. Remember that you will have transitions of shielded to non- shielded wires where you splice them to the pig-tails on the Whelen connectors and they can sure radiate RFI. Also the antenna and wiring connections to your avionics would be close by. Not good! I tried my Whelen power supply in the basement of my house with just one of the three strobes connected with a length of sielded cable that came with the kit and boy, I could hear clics on my Icom hand -held anywhere in the house! that decided me to do what I did.--I mounted the power supply under the right seat skins and the shielded wires from the three strobes come through from the wings and tail and are completely enclosed and don't see the light of day. No sign of interference on my radios, etc. Cheers!!----Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:03 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Whelen Strobe Location --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" For a bunch of reasons, I put mine out at the wingtips nutplated to the sparcaps....long low-power run, short high-power run...no antennae...yet. Ralph Capen Still building! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Fw: RV-List: Whelen Strobe Location > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" > > > > I'd like to mount the power supply forward of the Panel next to the radio > stack. Has anyone any experience with this location? Any EMF, buzzing or > interference with the radios or any other systems from the strobe power > supply mounted here? > > Chuck Weyant > > I think you would be taking a big risk to put it there. Remember that you > will have transitions of shielded to non- shielded wires where you splice > them to the pig-tails on the Whelen connectors and they can sure radiate > RFI. Also the antenna and wiring connections to your avionics would be close > by. Not good! > > I tried my Whelen power supply in the basement of my house with just one of > the three strobes connected with a length of sielded cable that came with > the kit and boy, I could hear clics on my Icom hand -held anywhere in the > house! that decided me to do what I did.--I mounted the power supply under > the right seat skins and the shielded wires from the three strobes come > through from the wings and tail and are completely enclosed and don't see > the light of day. No sign of interference on my radios, etc. > > Cheers!!----Henry Hore > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:13 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: RV-List: 700th Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "John" DO NOT ARCHIVE This is just for "inspiration" for builders that feel their project will never be finished.... Today I flew my 700th flight in my RV6A. It is one month short of being 8-years since its first flight back in 1995. The machine has survived 1,125 landings and 'touch and goes' during that time, and in spite of a rather ham-handed pilot the machine continues to do just fine. John at Salida, CO ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:16 AM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: 700th Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Dear John, Congratulations on your achievement! ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: RV-List: 700th Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "John" DO NOT ARCHIVE This is just for "inspiration" for builders that feel their project will never be finished.... Today I flew my 700th flight in my RV6A. It is one month short of being 8-years since its first flight back in 1995. The machine has survived 1,125 landings and 'touch and goes' during that time, and in spite of a rather ham-handed pilot the machine continues to do just fine. John at Salida, CO ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:46 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: 700th Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > This is just for "inspiration" for builders that feel their > project will never be finished.... > > Today I flew my 700th flight in my RV6A. It is one month > short of being 8-years since its first flight back in 1995. > The machine has survived 1,125 landings and 'touch and goes' > during that time, and in spite of a rather ham-handed pilot > the machine continues to do just fine. > > John at Salida, CO John, congrats! I am curious about the extra 425 landings, though..... most flights end with about one landing : ) Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 309 hours, same number of takeoffs, landings and flights. www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:03 AM PST US From: Chris W Subject: RV-List: Air Drill? --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W I was planning on getting either the Sioux 1410 or 1412 air drill. The only difference I can see between the two is the RPM, 1410 is 2,600 rpm and the 1412 3,600 rpm. Is there any reason why I would want one over the other? do not archive -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:58 PM PST US From: "Kenneth Beene" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Drill? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kenneth Beene" > > I was planning on getting either the Sioux 1410 or 1412 air > drill. The only difference I can see between the two is the > RPM, 1410 is 2,600 rpm and the 1412 3,600 rpm. Is there any > reason why I would want one over the other? > -- > Chris Woodhouse > Chris, I have the 1412. The extra RPMs help when drilling with small #40 or #30 bits in soft metal. It is really nice. I didn't have it on my first airplane. Ken ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:12 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-10 Pix --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Rv-ers I was at Van's for parts the morning of first flight and was able to get a few pix of the RV-10. It's a beauty, and big compared to ours. Pix are posted here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/E-SubieForum/ Jerry Cochran ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:52 PM PST US From: "KostaLewis" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-10 Pix --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" Too bad we can't access them unless we belong to the group :>( >I was at Van's for parts the morning of first flight and was able to get a >few pix of the RV-10. It's a beauty, and big compared to ours. Pix are >posted >here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/E-SubieForum/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:53 PM PST US From: "Dr. Leathers" Subject: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" Hey Fellas, I recently experienced a bad landing (in a C172) which resulted in a "porpoise" situation. This was my first experience with this phenomenon. It was a "non-event" because, being a student pilot, my instinct for self preservation took over, and I automatically aborted the landing and went around for a normal touchdown. However, as I taxied past the hangers and shops enduring the good-natured jeers of my fellow ramp rats and the mechanics, the realization began to sink in that this had been a potentially very serious situation. What if I had touched down with inadequate runway between me and the power lines at the end? What if I had a prop strike? Ouch!! My instructor taught me to always go around if I don't touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, "even if you think you can stick it". I'm glad for that. Good training apparently works even for a newbie like me. No damage was done to me or the nosegear, just a little ego bruise and a red face. The thing that is bothering me now is that I do not know what caused the problem. I was not carrying any extra airspeed. There was no wind on final. I touched the mains down first and had plenty of back elevator in. Maybe a sudden gust of headwind caused a ballooning and I momentarily released back pressure? What other causes are possible? Thanks Doc (or "Flipper" as I may be know for a while ;-) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:10 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-10 Pix --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton You don't need to receive the group e-mails if you sign up, as you can set the Message Delivery option to "No email". Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" > >Too bad we can't access them unless we belong to the group :>( > >>I was at Van's for parts the morning of first flight and was able to >get a >>few pix of the RV-10. It's a beauty, and big compared to ours. Pix are >>posted >>here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/E-SubieForum/ > >do not archive > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:12 PM PST US From: "James Jula" Subject: RE: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" What you described is dangerous if one attempts to fix it and finish the landing. The only recovery is to power up and get out of it. Our instincts, other than powering up, result in inputs that will make the problem worse, much worse. The bounce puts energy in the gear which springs the plane back into the air below stall. So, the plane will be coming down again shortly. By the time one puts the up elevator in for the descent, its too little and too late so the plane will bounce again. The subsequent bounce is usually as hard or more so than the first. If it continues in a nose dragger, eventually the nose will touch first, and in some aircraft this can cause it to collapse. It can also cause damage to the firewall and engine mount in less extreme cases. Knowing this makes one look at the firewall during preflights in rentals. There can be many causes, but the primary factor is a high enough decent rate at touchdown to cause the plane to bounce back into the air. It could be landing technique, a steep approach, forcing the plane on the ground, approaching stall a bit too high, or a wind gust. All my students learn that if they bounce, go-around. Don't feel too bad about the observers. It can not be worse than my experience. I received a plaque for the worst landing at a fly-in when I did the same thing at around 90 hours TT. There were at least 100 pilots, most of whom I knew, watching. One told me that he had never been sea sick at an airport before, but that I had changed all that... James --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" Hey Fellas, I recently experienced a bad landing (in a C172) which resulted in a "porpoise" situation. This was my first experience with this phenomenon. It was a "non-event" because, being a student pilot, my instinct for self preservation took over, and I automatically aborted the landing and went around for a normal touchdown. However, as I taxied past the hangers and shops enduring the good-natured jeers of my fellow ramp rats and the mechanics, the realization began to sink in that this had been a potentially very serious situation. What if I had touched down with inadequate runway between me and the power lines at the end? What if I had a prop strike? Ouch!! My instructor taught me to always go around if I don't touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, "even if you think you can stick it". I'm glad for that. Good training apparently works even for a newbie like me. No damage was done to me or the nosegear, just a little ego bruise and a red face. The thing that is bothering me now is that I do not know what caused the problem. I was not carrying any extra airspeed. There was no wind on final. I touched the mains down first and had plenty of back elevator in. Maybe a sudden gust of headwind caused a ballooning and I momentarily released back pressure? What other causes are possible? Thanks Doc (or "Flipper" as I may be know for a while ;-) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:14 PM PST US From: "Scott B. Corey" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 Pix --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott B. Corey" Way to much information to see some pictures. I didn't find that "No email" option. Would of like to have seen them do not archive Scott Kevin Horton wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > You don't need to receive the group e-mails if you sign up, as you > can set the Message Delivery option to "No email". > > Kevin Horton > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" >> >>Too bad we can't access them unless we belong to the group :>( >> >> >>>I was at Van's for parts the morning of first flight and was able to >> >>get a >> >>>few pix of the RV-10. It's a beauty, and big compared to ours. Pix are >>>posted >>>here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/E-SubieForum/ >> >>do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:32 PM PST US From: Chris W Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 Pix --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W "Scott B. Corey" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott B. Corey" > > Way to much information to see some pictures. > I didn't find that "No email" option. > Would of like to have seen them > > do not archive I agree. If someone will email them to me, I will be happy to put them on my web server where everyone can view them with out having to be a member of anything. -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:56 PM PST US From: "Dr. Leathers" Subject: Re: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" Thanks James! I appreciate the input! I believe I did have one nose first bounce before I initiated the go around. Thankfully, the oileo strut held up and no damage ocurred. It was a 180 HP C172 with only 30 degrees of flaps available (not sure why that is the case on this plane). Live and learn!! Thanks Again! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Jula" Subject: RE: RV-List: porposing > --> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" > > What you described is dangerous if one attempts to fix it and finish the > landing. The only recovery is to power up and get out of it. Our instincts, > other than powering up, result in inputs that will make the problem worse, > much worse. The bounce puts energy in the gear which springs the plane back > into the air below stall. So, the plane will be coming down again shortly. > By the time one puts the up elevator in for the descent, its too little and > too late so the plane will bounce again. The subsequent bounce is usually as > hard or more so than the first. If it continues in a nose dragger, > eventually the nose will touch first, and in some aircraft this can cause it > to collapse. It can also cause damage to the firewall and engine mount in > less extreme cases. Knowing this makes one look at the firewall during > preflights in rentals. > > There can be many causes, but the primary factor is a high enough decent > rate at touchdown to cause the plane to bounce back into the air. It could > be landing technique, a steep approach, forcing the plane on the ground, > approaching stall a bit too high, or a wind gust. All my students learn that > if they bounce, go-around. > > Don't feel too bad about the observers. It can not be worse than my > experience. I received a plaque for the worst landing at a fly-in when I did > the same thing at around 90 hours TT. There were at least 100 pilots, most > of whom I knew, watching. One told me that he had never been sea sick at an > airport before, but that I had changed all that... > > James > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" > > Hey Fellas, > > I recently experienced a bad landing (in a C172) which resulted in a > "porpoise" situation. This was my first experience with this phenomenon. It > was a "non-event" because, being a student pilot, my instinct for self > preservation took over, and I automatically aborted the landing and went > around for a normal touchdown. > > However, as I taxied past the hangers and shops enduring the good-natured > jeers of my fellow ramp rats and the mechanics, the realization began to > sink in that this had been a potentially very serious situation. What if I > had touched down with inadequate runway between me and the power lines at > the end? What if I had a prop strike? Ouch!! My instructor taught me to > always go around if I don't touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, "even > if you think you can stick it". I'm glad for that. Good training apparently > works even for a newbie like me. No damage was done to me or the nosegear, > just a little ego bruise and a red face. > > The thing that is bothering me now is that I do not know what caused the > problem. I was not carrying any extra airspeed. There was no wind on final. > I touched the mains down first and had plenty of back elevator in. Maybe a > sudden gust of headwind caused a ballooning and I momentarily released back > pressure? What other causes are possible? > > Thanks > Doc (or "Flipper" as I may be know for a while ;-) Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:55 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > I just went out and checked and I am using 6D 2" finish nails. I guess > there is some variation from brand to brand. If you want I can send you a > bunch of mine. Thanks for the offer. It's all squared away now. > BTW I got the T. Thanks a million that will help a lot If anybody else may be looking for an AN824-6-6-4D reducer tee, I got it from http://www.bonacoinc.com (they're local). do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:55 PM PST US From: Robert Miller Subject: Re: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller I have had a quite similar experience. Maybe more than once. :~l The cause, at least in my case, was carrying way too much airspeed on final. Landing a plane is a matter of managing energy. My best landings always occur when I've got the desired numbers nailed. If I'm faster.... bounce, go around, sweat, ... well, you get the point. Less energy to expend on touchdown results in easier, smoother, and for sure safer landings. Robert "Dr. Leathers" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" > > Hey Fellas, > > I recently experienced a bad landing (in a C172) which resulted in a "porpoise" situation. This was my first experience with this phenomenon. It was a "non-event" because, being a student pilot, my instinct for self preservation took over, and I automatically aborted the landing and went around for a normal touchdown. > > However, as I taxied past the hangers and shops enduring the good-natured jeers of my fellow ramp rats and the mechanics, the realization began to sink in that this had been a potentially very serious situation. What if I had touched down with inadequate runway between me and the power lines at the end? What if I had a prop strike? Ouch!! My instructor taught me to always go around if I don't touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, "even if you think you can stick it". I'm glad for that. Good training apparently works even for a newbie like me. No damage was done to me or the nosegear, just a little ego bruise and a red face. > > The thing that is bothering me now is that I do not know what caused the problem. I was not carrying any extra airspeed. There was no wind on final. I touched the mains down first and had plenty of back elevator in. Maybe a sudden gust of headwind caused a ballooning and I momentarily released back pressure? What other causes are possible? > > Thanks > Doc (or "Flipper" as I may be know for a while ;-) Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:31 PM PST US From: BillRVSIX@aol.com Subject: RV-List: 6113 Canopy deck & 6105 Sub panel angel connection. --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com Hello IM building A RV-6 with a sliding canopy when I put the 6113 deck rail down on the main longeron to attach it to the 6105 sub panel it slants down. The loneron starts to twist a this point just forward of the 604 bulkhead as per drawing. that's what causes it to slant but on the drawing it shows the 6113 attaching to the 6105 sub panel level i can give the 6113 a kink were the loneron sits but than the angle that attaches to the 6105 sub panel will not sit flat on the 6113 Deck rail. if any one has pictures or info i would appreciate Bill Higgins ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:15 PM PST US From: Canyon Subject: Re: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon Dr. Leathers wrote: >I believe I did have one nose first bounce before I >initiated the go around. Thankfully, the oileo strut held up and no >damage >ocurred. It was a 180 HP C172 with only 30 degrees of flaps available >(not >sure why that is the case on this plane). Live and learn!! --- Hmm... did you happen to be slipping a bit of a cross wind or was it really a no wind condition. IIRC, you really, really don't want to slip a 172 with flaps down -- you'll put that nose wheel down first for sure. :-) On a similar note, are there any side effects or prohibitions from slipping an RV6/7 to a landing? Steve ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:22 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Archives --> RV-List message posted by: Okay guys, I can't take it anymore. Why are so many putting "Do Not Archive?" Is it cool, trendy, or what? Why not let the moderator decide what should go into the archives. I have observed many very good pieces of information with this tag. It is not fair to those who may join later or those now that may need this information. It is only space so let everything go in. I feel better now. Back out to fit the $!*%ing wing tips. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:29 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > On a similar note, are there any side effects or prohibitions from > slipping an RV6/7 to a landing? > > Steve Just be careful if you are pulling fuel from the down wing when it is low on fuel. I tested this once at altitude, and the engine will croak when a serious slip is done long enough with low fuel, something like 3 or 4 gallons or less. These do get an RV down nicely when needed, though. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 309 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:09 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: 6113 Canopy deck & 6105 Sub panel angel connection. --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Bill: The slant of the canopy deck you refer to is normal and should be left as is. What I did (very recently I might add) is just let the 6113's go where the longeron twist dictated. If you look at your instrument panel blank, the marks for the cutouts for the 6113's are also angled. So don't bend the canopy decks to make them level to the 605's. Hope this helps Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A (slider) fuselage (waiting on finishing kit) Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: 6113 Canopy deck & 6105 Sub panel angel connection. > --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com > > Hello IM building A RV-6 with a sliding canopy when I put the 6113 deck rail > down on the main longeron to attach it to the 6105 sub panel it slants down. > The loneron starts to twist a this point just forward of the 604 bulkhead as > per drawing. that's what causes it to slant but on the drawing it shows the 6113 > attaching to the 6105 sub panel level i can give the 6113 a kink were the > loneron sits but than the angle that attaches to the 6105 sub panel will not sit > flat on the 6113 Deck rail. if any one has pictures or info i would appreciate > > Bill Higgins > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:01 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: RV-List: Green Bay RVers --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Listers, I will probably be heading down to Green Bay, WI for a several day visit sometime in the next couple of weeks. I may have some time to kill, so I would be interested in meeting any local RVers. Mark Nielsen and Dick Martin - are you guys still on these lists? Any interested parties, please contact me off-list. khorto1537@rogers.com -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:17 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Archives --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Darwin, I expect that many of the do not archives are used because the responder knows that the topic and the current answer have been covered adequately and already exist in the archives. This is not to say that people use the DNA appropriately at all times. You are not alone in hoping that fellow listers develop understanding and skill in using the handy and useful device. do no archive Jim in Kelowna .. just yet (;} ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Archives > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Okay guys, I can't take it anymore. Why are so many putting "Do Not Archive?" Is it cool, trendy, or what? Why not let the moderator decide what should go into the archives. I have observed many very good pieces of information with this tag. It is not fair to those who may join later or those now that may need this information. It is only space so let everything go in. > > I feel better now. Back out to fit the $!*%ing wing tips. > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:08 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Archives --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" It does precisely that, it keeps the archives from filling up. Whenever there is a post that should be posted in the archives, someone may send it back to the list with the "Do not archive" removed so that it may be archived. I think that most know how to use it. It is not just a space issue, but a relevance issue when searching for keywords. For example, if you were searching for "Flaps" and one was talking about the paintjob on the flaps at an airshow, it would save time to not have to see that post while searching for something genuinely helpful to the person searching. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Archives > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Okay guys, I can't take it anymore. Why are so many putting "Do Not Archive?" Is it cool, trendy, or what? Why not let the moderator decide what should go into the archives. I have observed many very good pieces of information with this tag. It is not fair to those who may join later or those now that may need this information. It is only space so let everything go in. > > I feel better now. Back out to fit the $!*%ing wing tips. > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:28 PM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com I've had nore than my share of bouncy landings in the RV before I learned to manage the flare a bit better. They can still happed from time to time if a turf bump imparts a bit of energy at just the right time in the natural flexing of the gear on roll-out. I nearly often find that the burst of power to initiate the go-around quickly stabilized the pitch excursions (as long as you hold the stick still) and usually renders a go-around unnecessary. Much depends on distance remaining and how unnerved you are already. The others are right when they say that the pilot's instinctive control inputs in a tri-gear porpoise situation are usulally wrongly-timed and become wildly divergent in a hurry. -Bill Boyd RV-6A they don't call me Hopalong for nothing... ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:46 PM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: Re: RV-List: porposing --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" I had one time when I had a good bounce in my 6A. I was coming in fast to an uphill runway and just not paying attention. Next thing I knew it, I was a good 5-6 feet back in the air and way too slow to try to flare again. I jammed the power on hoping just to pick up enough speed to be able to touch down again without damaging the airplane. What I got was a lot more than I expected. It was like the prop just grabbed the air and pulled the plane right back up. Instant positive climb. ...and the airport where this happened; Granby, CO at 8400' msl with a density altitude well above 11K Man, these are great airplanes. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: porposing > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > I've had nore than my share of bouncy landings in the RV before I learned to > manage the flare a bit better. They can still happed from time to time if a > turf bump imparts a bit of energy at just the right time in the natural flexing > of the gear on roll-out. I nearly often find that the burst of power to > initiate the go-around quickly stabilized the pitch excursions (as long as you > hold the stick still) and usually renders a go-around unnecessary. Much depends > on distance remaining and how unnerved you are already. The others are right > when they say that the pilot's instinctive control inputs in a tri-gear > porpoise situation are usulally wrongly-timed and become wildly divergent in a > hurry. > > -Bill Boyd RV-6A > they don't call me Hopalong for nothing... > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:00 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: porpoising --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan "Dr. Leathers" wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" > > Hey Fellas, > > I recently experienced a bad landing (in a C172) which resulted in a "porpoise" situation. This was my first experience with this phenomenon. It was a "non-event" because, being a student pilot, my instinct for self preservation took over, and I automatically aborted the landing and went around for a normal touchdown. > > However, as I taxied past the hangers and shops enduring the good-natured jeers of my fellow ramp rats and the mechanics, the realization began to sink in that this had been a potentially very serious situation. What if I had touched down with inadequate runway between me and the power lines at the end? What if I had a prop strike? Ouch!! My instructor taught me to always go around if I don't touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, "even if you think you can stick it". I'm glad for that. Good training apparently works even for a newbie like me. No damage was done to me or the nosegear, just a little ego bruise and a red face. >snip< > Thanks > Doc (or "Flipper" as I may be know for a while ;-) Doc, er... Flipper, we all live and learn! :-) Unfortunately, after watching many, many landings at S-F-N and OSH, I have come to the sad conclusion that a huge number of pilots don't have a clue as to how to land on anything other than "the first 1/3 of the runway" in spite of ATC's admonitions and pleadings to "land long" or on a particular spot midway down the runway. Your instructor has been prudent in admonishing you at this point in your flying career to go-around if you don't make a successful landing on the first third of the runway. However, before you progress to your check ride, please request that your instructor teach you how to land (and stop....) on the LAST third of the runway, provided the runway is at least 5000' long. The inability to perform such a maneuver calls into question the pilot's airmanship, and severely hampers his ability to make a spot landing in case of an emergency. I find such a landing to be useful at our airport. Our hangar is just off the end of 18, so I routinely fly the RV-6 down the runway a couple feet off the runway (air taxi?) and make a wheel landing when approaching the 1000' marker on the south end of the runway. Not only have I learned a lot about flying my plane at minimum controllable airspeed, but I save wear and tear on the tires. Sam Buchanan "The RV Journal" http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:37 PM PST US From: chris m Subject: RV-List: engine primer system --> RV-List message posted by: chris m Does anyone know what size tube Vans is selling with the engine primer system. Have asked Vans but thought you lot might be quicker. Chris and Susie VH-MUM ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Archives > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Okay guys, I can't take it anymore. Why are so many putting "Do Not Archive?" Is it cool, trendy, or what? Why not let the moderator decide what should go into the archives. I have observed many very good pieces of information with this tag. It is not fair to those who may join later or those now that may need this information. It is only space so let everything go in. > > I feel better now. Back out to fit the $!*%ing wing tips. > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:40 PM PST US From: "Dr. Leathers" Subject: Re: RV-List: porpoising --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" Thanks Sam, I agree with you. Unfortunately, the field where I learned to fly is too short, even for "touch and go" practice. It's not allowed there. I will make it a point to fly to a larger field and practice spot landings. My instructor has had me fly along the center line, nearly the full length of the runway, from time to time. It's good crosswind practice too! Doc Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Buchanan" Subject: Re: RV-List: porpoising > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > > "Dr. Leathers" wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" > > > > Hey Fellas, > > > > I recently experienced a bad landing (in a C172) which resulted in a "porpoise" situation. This was my first experience with this phenomenon. It was a "non-event" because, being a student pilot, my instinct for self preservation took over, and I automatically aborted the landing and went around for a normal touchdown. > > > > However, as I taxied past the hangers and shops enduring the good-natured jeers of my fellow ramp rats and the mechanics, the realization began to sink in that this had been a potentially very serious situation. What if I had touched down with inadequate runway between me and the power lines at the end? What if I had a prop strike? Ouch!! My instructor taught me to always go around if I don't touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, "even if you think you can stick it". I'm glad for that. Good training apparently works even for a newbie like me. No damage was done to me or the nosegear, just a little ego bruise and a red face. > >snip< > > Thanks > > Doc (or "Flipper" as I may be know for a while ;-) > > > Doc, er... Flipper, we all live and learn! :-) > > Unfortunately, after watching many, many landings at S-F-N and OSH, I > have come to the sad conclusion that a huge number of pilots don't have > a clue as to how to land on anything other than "the first 1/3 of the > runway" in spite of ATC's admonitions and pleadings to "land long" or on > a particular spot midway down the runway. > > Your instructor has been prudent in admonishing you at this point in > your flying career to go-around if you don't make a successful landing > on the first third of the runway. However, before you progress to your > check ride, please request that your instructor teach you how to land > (and stop....) on the LAST third of the runway, provided the runway is > at least 5000' long. The inability to perform such a maneuver calls into > question the pilot's airmanship, and severely hampers his ability to > make a spot landing in case of an emergency. > > I find such a landing to be useful at our airport. Our hangar is just > off the end of 18, so I routinely fly the RV-6 down the runway a couple > feet off the runway (air taxi?) and make a wheel landing when > approaching the 1000' marker on the south end of the runway. Not only > have I learned a lot about flying my plane at minimum controllable > airspeed, but I save wear and tear on the tires. > > Sam Buchanan > "The RV Journal" http://thervjournal.com > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:15 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Drill? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Invest in a couple of cordless drills. You'll use em a bunch and they're quiet. shemp ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris W Subject: RV-List: Air Drill? > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W > > I was planning on getting either the Sioux 1410 or 1412 air drill. The > only difference I can see between the two is the RPM, 1410 is 2,600 rpm > and the 1412 3,600 rpm. Is there any reason why I would want one over > the other? > > do not archive > > -- > Chris Woodhouse > 3147 SW 127th St. > Oklahoma City, OK 73170 > 405-691-5206 > chrisw@programmer.net > N35 20.492' > W97 34.342' > > "They that can give up essential liberty > to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:39 PM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: regulator wiring and mixture cable question --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com My first engine runs have shown a problem with my charging system. I'm using Van's small alternator with the adjustable regulator. Can anyone on the list tell me what the wiring connections are for this setup? There are four wires from the regulator, I have the black wire to ground, the red wire to the alternator switch in the panel, the green wire to the field terminal on the alternator and the yellow wire is not used. When we ran the engine this evening it was overcharging for a few minutes before showing a discharge. My other question is a lack of throw on the mixture cable. I can't get more then 1 3/4 inches of throw on the cable and the carb mixture arm requires 2" to go from full rich to idle cutoff. The cable is Van's standard vernier cable. Once I get these two gliches corrected I'm ready for my first flight. Thanks in advance for any suggustions. Larry Gagnon RV 6 N6LG at the airport ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:41 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Len Leggette ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Len Leggette Subject: Newly Painted RV-8A http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Lenleg@aol.com.06.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:22 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Wayne Petrus ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Wayne Petrus Subject: RV8A pics http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dwpetrus@aol.com.06.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:51 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Dave Pohl ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dave Pohl Subject: Ted Gauthier's RV6 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/drpohl@comcast.net.06.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:05 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Cash Copeland ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Cash Copeland Subject: First Flight RV6 N46FC http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/JusCash@aol.com.06.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:14 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Tom Garner ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Tom Garner Subject: Oil cooler door http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/jtgarner@shentel.net.06.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:00 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Bill Gunn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Gunn Subject: Gear Fairings Source http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/WGUNN@dot.state.tx.us.06.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:19 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 Pix --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry I posted Jerry's photos on the Western Canada Wing web site. http://www.vansairforce.org/misc/RV-10/ Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC -6 wings ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:34 PM PST US From: Chris W Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Drill? --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W Jeff Dowling wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > Invest in a couple of cordless drills. You'll use em a bunch and they're > quiet. They're also about 4 times heavier than the air drill I am getting. That may not be a big deal for most guys but for me it is. There are other reasons I want an air drill too but that is the main one. do not archive -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania