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1. 01:22 AM - GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby (Dan Checkoway)
2. 04:24 AM - Traffic Detector Group Purchase (Dana Overall)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby (Jim Norman)
4. 07:06 AM - Re: porposing (Elsa & Henry)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Air Drill? (DWENSING@aol.com)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: Air Drill? (Gil Alexander)
7. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: regulator wiring and mixture cable question (Elsa & Henry)
8. 08:09 AM - Re: Air Drill? (James E. Clark)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? (Scott Bilinski)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: Air Drill? (Bill Dube)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby (Dan Checkoway)
12. 08:44 AM - Re: Air Drill? (Sam Buchanan)
13. 08:58 AM - Re: porposing (Scott Bilinski)
14. 09:27 AM - Re: 700th Flight (Greg Young)
15. 10:21 AM - Re: porpoising (Canyon)
16. 10:49 AM - Porpoise and Air Drill (rpmiller)
17. 10:56 AM - Logbook Entries (Bill VonDane)
18. 11:09 AM - Re: Porpoise and Air Drill (SportAV8R@aol.com)
19. 11:16 AM - Re: Porpoise/bounce (Scott Bilinski)
20. 11:38 AM - Re: Porpoise/bounce (SportAV8R@aol.com)
21. 11:38 AM - Re: Logbook Entries (Brian Denk)
22. 11:59 AM - Re: Porpoise/bounce (Tedd McHenry)
23. 12:17 PM - Odyssey Battery Terminals (HCRV6@aol.com)
24. 12:23 PM - Re: Logbook Entries (Ed Anderson)
25. 12:23 PM - Re: Logbook Entries (Scott B. Corey)
26. 12:48 PM - Re: Logbook Entries (RV6 Flyer)
27. 01:41 PM - RV-8 for sale (Parker Thomas)
28. 02:13 PM - Re: Not a follow up, but congrats! Re: [VAF Mailing List] Logbook (Bill VonDane)
29. 02:26 PM - Re: porposing (Doug Gray)
30. 02:39 PM - Re: porposing (Canyon)
31. 03:08 PM - Re: Logbook Entries (Mike Robertson)
32. 03:35 PM - Re: Logbook Entries (Doug Rozendaal)
33. 06:18 PM - Odyssey Battery Terminals (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
34. 07:11 PM - Re: RV-8 for sale (Jerry Springer)
35. 07:46 PM - Re: Air Drill? (Gil Alexander)
36. 08:09 PM - 0-200 Wanted (Off Topic) (M. Orr)
37. 09:02 PM - RV-10 Pix (j1j2h3@juno.com)
38. 09:02 PM - Porpoising (j1j2h3@juno.com)
39. 09:02 PM - 700th Flight (j1j2h3@juno.com)
40. 09:50 PM - Re: RV-8 for sale (Rob Prior)
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| Subject: | GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
My plan is to mount my GPS antenna under the cowling just like many I've
seen before (Laird Owens comes to mind).
I'm wondering whether having an electronic ignition system nearby
(specifically Lightspeed Plasma II) will cause any interference with the GPS
signal.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Traffic Detector Group Purchase |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I'm just passing this on. The guy is on the Bonanza list and is offering,
through his involvement with the R&D, a group purchase of the Monroy ATD-200
Air Traffic Detector. It retails for $685, he is offering it for $585 + S/H
new, with warranty. Remember, I don't know anything about this guy.
If there is sufficient interest (like 5 or more), I can do the same
here. Below, please find some details regarding the ATD-200 as well as
how we would go about the Group Purchase.
Here are some specifics:
* PRICE = $585.00 + S/H
* Unit shipped directly to you from manufacturer
* 30 day return for refund provision
* 3 year warranty
* Fully STC'd
* Payment can be made by either PayPal or money order or bank
check.
* To get the group purchase rate, you must place the order through
me so that I can then process the order as a special Group Purchase with
Monroy.
The Monroy website for further research is: www.monroyaero.com
Let me know if you have any interest. I'll keep this opportunity open
for a couple of weeks or so.
Regards,
Ken L. Wiseman ATP/CFII/MEI for SunTrust Banks, Inc.
128 West Lane SE
Calhoun, GA 30701
Mobile Phone: 770-329-2681
kwiseman@integrity.com
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
My GPS antanna is about 8 inches from my Lighstspeed Plasma II electronic
ignition.
No issues.
Why would you even ask, Dan?
jim
tampa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
My plan is to mount my GPS antenna under the cowling just like many I've
seen before (Laird Owens comes to mind).
I'm wondering whether having an electronic ignition system nearby
(specifically Lightspeed Plasma II) will cause any interference with the GPS
signal.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Talk of copy cats!!! Hey guys, the way I learnt it and according to my
Webster's dictionary, its PORPOISE and therefore it's PORPOISING?
Cheers!!---Henry
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--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 6/1/03 11:09:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
> Invest in a couple of cordless drills. You'll use em a bunch and they're
> quiet.
>
>
but do they have the speeds necessary to drill round holes when using small
size drills like #40 and #30? my cordless drills do not. do not archive
Dale Ensing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Since you'll be using the air drill a lot (lots of #30 and #40 holes in a
RV...:
) buy the lightest weight air drill you can.
A cordless is great for the larger holes that can be drilled with a slower
speed and for reaming holes to a final size.
I think a smooth trigger is probably more important than a few hundred
extra rpm, which is why the low cost Sears and Harbor Freight air drills
don't work well for RV building... Go for the lightest weight "good" air drill.
...gil in Tucson .... No pre punched holes RV-6A - Lots of holes drilled!!
I have 3 air drills, but usually use the lightest weight one, which has
3200 rpm... cost $10 from an Ad. in the "Recycler" 10 years ago...
At 10:04 AM 6/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 6/1/03 11:09:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> > Invest in a couple of cordless drills. You'll use em a bunch and they're
> > quiet.
> >
> >
>
>but do they have the speeds necessary to drill round holes when using small
>size drills like #40 and #30? my cordless drills do not. do not archive
>Dale Ensing
>
RV-6A, #20701
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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| Subject: | Re: regulator wiring and mixture cable question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
The way you describe the wiring of the regulator is correct, assuming that
the alternator switch applies the +bus voltage. Don't know what battery you
use and what the recommended charge voltage is. I have the Concord RG
battery and they recommend 14.2 volts which is what my regulator output is
set to.I did that on a bench set-up driving the alternator from my
horizontal drill-press with the regulator and battery and was glad to see
that voltage displayed on my engine run-up and since.-
BTW, I used that set-up several times to keep my battery boosted before
installation and after the second time I had an infant mortality failure of
the regulator and got another one from Van's which, so far, is hanging-in,
(touch wood). I was able to dissect the bad regulator and found an open
circuit diode in it which when bridged with another standard diode returned
the operation to normal. (I am a retired electronics type and thus able to
do this and if any one wants a copy of the circuit diagram I worked out, I'd
be glad to oblige)
Can't comment on your mixture control.-What engine and carb?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Chris,
I have the two drills referenced. AS I recall, the 3600 RPM model is
slightly heavier ... a slightly beefier feel.
I think I would suggest getting the lighter one (2600 rpm) and maybe a
cheaper drill for the heavy duty drilling jobs. Or get both! {:-)
I seem to naturally use the "smaller" one the most. Maybe because it has the
#40 drill bit or maybe because I got it first or maybe because it just feels
better in the hand and "teases" better (it seems).
It is hard to explain but those with the Sioux drills will understand the
above.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:11 PM
> To: RV-list
> Subject: RV-List: Air Drill?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> I was planning on getting either the Sioux 1410 or 1412 air drill. The
> only difference I can see between the two is the RPM, 1410 is 2,600 rpm
> and the 1412 3,600 rpm. Is there any reason why I would want one over
> the other?
>
> do not archive
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pop rivet dimpler -- nail size? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Just take the die to Home Depot and have at it. Or, the ones I used were
the finishing type nail with small head. Got them at Target in a little
plastic container. I think they were for hanging pictures.
At 09:50 AM 5/31/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>This is probably a stupid question, but I finally ran out of the nails that
>came with my Avery 3/32" pop rivet dimple die set. I find that 5D nails are
>a bit too small for the task, and 6D nails are definitely too big. The
>nails that came with the dies are some 'tweener size. Can anybody point me
>at a source for these nails? Lowe's was stumped, and I'm no carpenter -- I
>can barely build an airframe... 8-)
>
>Thanks in advance,
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> > I was planning on getting either the Sioux 1410 or 1412 air drill. The
> > only difference I can see between the two is the RPM, 1410 is 2,600 rpm
> > and the 1412 3,600 rpm. Is there any reason why I would want one over
> > the other?
> >
You will probably use your drill more than any other tool.
You will be drilling a lot of #30 and #40 holes in aluminum. For
these diameters, you can turn the bit over 10,000 rpm and stay within the
recommended surface feet per minute (600) for tool steel. If you want to
drill quickly, you want a high-rpm drill with low inertia and lots of HP to
get it spinning quickly when you pull the trigger.
Since you will be drilling something like 20,000 holes, it is
worth a few extra bucks to shave a few seconds off each one you drill. By
the time you finish building the airplane, you will probably spend 100
hours drilling with a slow drill (like a cordless) but spend only 30 hours
drilling with a fast drill, like a fast pneumatic.
I bought a used Jiffy on eBay for about $40. It is reasonably
lightweight and turns 6,000 rpm. It is better to buy a good quality used
drill than it is to buy a brand new low quality drill.
I use a cordless for drilling large holes, and counter sinking. It
is also handy when you need to jump back and forth between sizes.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna under cowl with electronic ignition nearby |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> My GPS antanna is about 8 inches from my Lighstspeed Plasma II electronic
> ignition.
>
> No issues.
>
> Why would you even ask, Dan?
The reason I'm asking is because this is straight out of the Lightspeed
Plasma II manual:
"Section 2 INSTALLATION
It is important to locate antennas, receiving or transmitting, away from the
engine and ignition systems. Signal noise is drastically reduced with
distance. Any static noise emitted from the system is usually canceled by
the squelch of the radio. Common aircraft radio systems are not affected by
ignition noise."
It implies that it would be no problem, but I'm no radio expert...and
figured maybe GPS would be vulnerable. Just wanted to ask.
Thanks for putting my mind at ease.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Gil Alexander wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
<snip>
> I think a smooth trigger is probably more important than a few hundred
> extra rpm, which is why the low cost Sears and Harbor Freight air drills
> don't work well for RV building...
<snip>
Uhh oh. Wonder how much this is going to diminish the value of the
hundreds of RVs that were successfully built using the low-cost air
drills..... ;-)
The Sioux drill is a very nice tool, however.
Sam Buchanan (el cheapo drill still going strong....and very easy to
use)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Just trained with Mike Seager. He had me do a full right rudder slip. It
was a none issue.
At 05:40 PM 6/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
>Dr. Leathers wrote:
>>I believe I did have one nose first bounce before I
>>initiated the go around. Thankfully, the oileo strut held up and no
>>damage
>>ocurred. It was a 180 HP C172 with only 30 degrees of flaps available
>>(not
>>sure why that is the case on this plane). Live and learn!!
>---
>Hmm... did you happen to be slipping a bit of a cross wind or was it
>really a no wind condition. IIRC, you really, really don't want to
>slip a 172 with flaps down -- you'll put that nose wheel down first for
>sure. :-)
>
>On a similar note, are there any side effects or prohibitions from
>slipping an RV6/7 to a landing?
>
>Steve
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Alex, you've NEVER done a touch and go???
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
> <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > This is just for "inspiration" for builders that feel their
> > project will never be finished....
> >
> > Today I flew my 700th flight in my RV6A. It is one month
> > short of being 8-years since its first flight back in 1995.
> > The machine has survived 1,125 landings and 'touch and goes'
> > during that time, and in spite of a rather ham-handed pilot
> > the machine continues to do just fine.
> >
> > John at Salida, CO
>
>
> John, congrats! I am curious about the extra 425 landings,
> though..... most flights end with about one landing :
> )
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 309 hours, same number of takeoffs, landings and flights.
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>Just trained with Mike Seager. He had me do a full right rudder slip. It
>was a none issue.
---
Thanks to all who responded to my query. Glad to hear the RVs are
quite capable of slipping to a landing with flaps. Makes heavy cross
winds much more friendly. Looking forward to starting my project in
the next few months, I hope. Probably experimental for sure, with
rotary and maybe a turbo.
Steve
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| Subject: | Porpoise and Air Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
I bounced while doing a landing on my check ride. I was doing a soft field
landing in a 150 and a few feet before touch down a burble of air
compromised the lift and we bounced. Now I'm not sure if this is the same
thing as what has been discussed here because this bounce wasn't because of
energy in the landing gear but because when you land hard the inertia of the
tail makes it go down and that makes the angle of attack of the main wing go
up so you take off again, if you don't react I assume you run out of
airspeed very fast and stall. In my case I pushed in the yoke, goosed the
throttle and landed a little farther on. I'm not an experienced pilot and
at the time I was a student, the action I took felt instinctive so could one
of you guys tell me what the wrong instinctive action is? I'm not being
argumentative I just want to know if this is the kind of bounce your talking
about and what the wrong thing to do is, instinctive or otherwise.
The air drill I have is a sioux ADS-12 and it is great. Not to be too
opinionated but there is just no comparison between it and a cordless. It
is so nice and compact it fits my hand like a glove, it is quiet and fast,
and the teasing throttle gives me complete control when starting. I have 3
cordless drills and they are heavy and slow and just don't feel as nice. I
use them for counter sinking, screw driving etc. My understanding is that
the faster the drill, the rounder the hole.
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't find what
I was looking for...
Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual inspections?
I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Re: Porpoise and Air Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 06/02/2003 1:50:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rpmiller@1usa.net writes:
> because when you land hard the inertia of the
> tail makes it go down and that makes the angle of attack of the main wing go
> up
Only if you're loaded impossibly aft of the envelope! (in a tri-gear where
the CG belongs well forward of the mains.)
The "wrong" instinictive reaction is (I think) to try a second attempt at a
flare from the preigee of the bounce... you're already stalled most times, and
the attempt at a flare can convert a survivable mush into something nastier in
those few short feet of descent back to the runway. Your reaction was
textbook correct, IMO. As I pointed out earlier, I find that power is all that
is
needed in the RV, just a short burst of throttle stabilizes the porpoise in
mid-air, and when power is pulled back off, you settle nicely back into a
landing, assuming you didn't move the stick in an attempt to damp the oscillations;
you'll always be behind the airplane if you try to fight it with pitch
corrections, too. Use power only, and freeze the stick in the landing configuration
(almost full back-pressure) for best results in my particular airplane. YMMV,
of course.
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: Porpoise/bounce |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
There is a bounce on the mains and then there is porpoise. A porpoise
happens when the nose wheel touches down first, and porpoises get
progressively worse if you dont abort. Very hard on the nose gear and maybe
the prop if your unlucky.
At 10:41 AM 6/2/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
>
>I bounced while doing a landing on my check ride. I was doing a soft field
>landing in a 150 and a few feet before touch down a burble of air
>compromised the lift and we bounced. Now I'm not sure if this is the same
>thing as what has been discussed here because this bounce wasn't because of
>energy in the landing gear but because when you land hard the inertia of the
>tail makes it go down and that makes the angle of attack of the main wing go
>up so you take off again, if you don't react I assume you run out of
>airspeed very fast and stall. In my case I pushed in the yoke, goosed the
>throttle and landed a little farther on. I'm not an experienced pilot and
>at the time I was a student, the action I took felt instinctive so could one
>of you guys tell me what the wrong instinctive action is? I'm not being
>argumentative I just want to know if this is the kind of bounce your talking
>about and what the wrong thing to do is, instinctive or otherwise.
>
>The air drill I have is a sioux ADS-12 and it is great. Not to be too
>opinionated but there is just no comparison between it and a cordless. It
>is so nice and compact it fits my hand like a glove, it is quiet and fast,
>and the teasing throttle gives me complete control when starting. I have 3
>cordless drills and they are heavy and slow and just don't feel as nice. I
>use them for counter sinking, screw driving etc. My understanding is that
>the faster the drill, the rounder the hole.
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Porpoise/bounce |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 06/02/2003 2:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
> A porpoise
> happens when the nose wheel touches down first, and porpoises get
> progressively worse if you dont abort. Very hard on the nose gear and maybe
> the prop if your unlucky.
>
Just one additional observation: a porpoise can also start if the nose wheel
hits hard for any reason, even if the mains hit first. In a very flat landing
attitude (too fast an airspeed) a small mogul in the runway can get it going.
In a rapid descent to landing (excessive rate of sink and insufficient
arrest of same in flare - poor energy management) the CG's position forward of
the
mains will bring down the nose wheel for you, forcefully enough to cause the
energy stored in the nose gear to fling you back into a nose-high stall a few
feet above the runway, and there you go, porpoising until something is done to
break the cycle (Apply power!)
-Bill B
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't find
>what I was looking for...
>
>Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual
>inspections?
>
>I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
>
>-Bill VonDane
>RV-8A
>www.vondane.com
>
>do not archive
>
Bill,
It's all in FAR part 43, with the verbage you can use. I simply print out
the "this (airframe/engine/prop) meets the requirements of part 43 for
annual condition inspection....blah blah blah" then insert the operational
hours, date, and my repairman's license number. I tape this into the
appropriate logbook and it's a done deal.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Porpoise/bounce |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I've also discovered that it's possible to get a porpoise of sorts with a
taildragger, if you come in hot and plant it on. I had that on a grass
runway--an interesting combination of ground inputs, spring gear, PIO, and
aerodynamic effects.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Odyssey Battery Terminals |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
My apologies to the list and to whoever asked about the terminals. This is
another time I wish there was a way to recall a really dumb answer. Don't know
where my head was but the terminals on the Odyssey are 6 mm, not 10 as I
posted, which is not 0.224 as I posted but is 0.236, and a "D" drill is obviously
too large. I was thinking (or not) about something else when I shot off a
response. Guess I'll go back to the old axiom about never passing up an
opportunity to keep my mouth shut (or in this case my reply key).
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Logbook Entries
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> >I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't
find
> >what I was looking for...
> >
> >Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual
> >inspections?
> >
> >I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
> >
> >-Bill VonDane
> >RV-8A
> >www.vondane.com
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> Bill,
>
> It's all in FAR part 43, with the verbage you can use. I simply print out
> the "this (airframe/engine/prop) meets the requirements of part 43 for
> annual condition inspection....blah blah blah" then insert the operational
> hours, date, and my repairman's license number. I tape this into the
> appropriate logbook and it's a done deal.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
>
Interesting. My operating limitations contain the exact phraseology to be
used for a "Conditional" inspection and any "Major" modification.
Homebuilts technically do not have "Annual" inspections, only "Conditional".
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott B. Corey" <scott@coreyair.com>
Complied with Conditional Inspection on Airframe/Engine in accordance
with FAR 43 Appendix D.
Signature
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't find what
I was looking for...
>
> Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual inspections?
>
> I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Bill:
For your once a year condition inspection, your operating limitations should
have the verbiage that the DAR / FAA wanted to see in your logbook. The
verbiage should be something like the following:
Date Time in service
I certify that this (insert aircraft, engine, or prop) has been inspected in
accordance with a condition inspection using the scope and detail of FAR 43
Appendix D and found to be in a condition for safe operation. Signature,
Certificate number, type of certificate (insert Repairman or A & P)
Hope this helps.
Gary A. Sobek
EAA TC
FAA A&P
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,283 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
My 2002 Van's Aircraft RV-8, N321PT, is for sale for $89,500. I posted
a few pictures and comments at www.parkerthomas.com
<http://www.parkerthomas.com/> .
It is located at HWD near San Francisco. It was completed in the fall
of 2002 and flew first on Thanksgiving Day. It has 130 hours on the
airframe and an IO360 200 hp engine with the same 130 hours SMOH
(completed by an A&P). It has a Hartzell constant speed propeller
purchased from Van's. It is painted a midnight blue on the top and GM
fleetwhite on the bottom with a black and white checkered rudder. Seats
are homemade red velvet cushions. The front stick is an Infinity stick
grip with microphone on trigger, start button, coolie hat for trim,
flaps and fuel pump. The rear seat has rudder pedals and a throttle.
It is a delight to fly - I've been as far north as Bar Harbor, ME, over
the Caribbean to the Exumas Islands in the Bahamas, across the country
from Orlando to San Francisco and all around the Sierras. Performance
specs are only slightly less than Van's published figures. At 7,000 or
8,000 feet it burns about 10.3 gph.
Call 615-293-1003 or email N321pt@parkerthomas.com with any questions.
F. Parker Thomas
www.parkerthomas.com
me@parkerthomas.com
615-293-1003 Phone
801-382-1974 Fax
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| Subject: | Re: Not a follow up, but congrats! Re: [VAF Mailing List] Logbook |
Entries
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Oh yeah... Thanks!
It was a nice plug for my ePanel Builder site too!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Cordner
Subject: Not a follow up, but congrats! Re: [VAF Mailing List] Logbook Entries
Not a followup...
Bill,
Congratulations for the mention of epanelbuilder in
this months Sport Aviation
Dave Cordner
RV-7A 70898 ... still waiting for wing delivery (slow build)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>>On a similar note, are there any side effects or prohibitions from
>>slipping an RV6/7 to a landing?
The is a possibility of unporting the fuel pickup on the low wing tank.
--
Doug Gray
RV-6 fuse
Sydney Australia
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--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Doug Gray wrote:
> >>On a similar note, are there any side effects or prohibitions from
> >>slipping an RV6/7 to a landing?
>
>The is a possibility of unporting the fuel pickup on the low wing tank.
---
Apparently so and was mentioned in another post. I appreciate the
cautionary note. I guess the likelihood is high for detecting that
condition by alarming on the fuel pressure but that's not a good time
to be looking for a cause/cure to that extra distraction either. Best
to be wary with low fuel landings, I'd guess. Of course, a center fuel
sump might work also, but I don't really want any fuel in the cockpit I
can avoid.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Take a look at your Operating Limitations. It should have an inspection
logbook entry example.
If not, it should read something like "I have performed a Condition
Inspection on this aircraft IAW the
scope and detail of FAR 43, Appendix D, and have found the aircraft in a
condition for safe operation." Then you sign it, print your name, the word
"repairman", then the repairman certificate number.
If you want to see all the details as required by the FAR look at FAR 43.11
Mike Robertson
RV-6A, 8A, 9A
>From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com, vansairforce
><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Logbook Entries
>Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:55:36 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't find
>what I was looking for...
>
>Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual
>inspections?
>
>I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
>
>-Bill VonDane
>RV-8A
>www.vondane.com
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
The operating limitations for my airplane have the logbook entry for a
condition inspection quoted in them.
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Logbook Entries
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't find
what I was looking for...
>
> Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual
inspections?
>
> I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Odyssey Battery Terminals |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I told my neighbor to stop by the auto parts store and pick up a couple of
metric hex-head capscrews for the odyssey terminals. That way you don't have to
carry along that allen wrench.
Might have to remove the battery for charge,etc. away from home.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Parker Thomas wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
>
> My 2002 Van's Aircraft RV-8, N321PT, is for sale for $89,500. I posted
> a few pictures and comments at www.parkerthomas.com
> <http://www.parkerthomas.com/> .
>
Unless an RV-8 looks like a suburu I dont see the pictures???
Jerry
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Sam .. you must have got a good one...:
)
My Sears drill had a "kick" when it was triggered, and this made it hard to
keep the drill bit exactly placed on the work... The "kick" also tended to
move you slightly out of square.
Of course, since now everything is pre punched, perhaps this doesn't
matter...:
)
I recently bought 3 air drills on e-bay for about $25 each (don't ask, I
only wanted one, but no-one else bid...) All three were good, fairly
light weight ones, and worked well.
Go to e-bay for an aircraft quality drill before Sears....
... gil in Tucson
PS the two extra drill have already gone to good EAA homes...
At 10:44 AM 6/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
>Gil Alexander wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
><snip>
> > I think a smooth trigger is probably more important than a few hundred
> > extra rpm, which is why the low cost Sears and Harbor Freight air drills
> > don't work well for RV building...
><snip>
>
>
>Uhh oh. Wonder how much this is going to diminish the value of the
>hundreds of RVs that were successfully built using the low-cost air
>drills..... ;-)
>
>The Sioux drill is a very nice tool, however.
>
>Sam Buchanan (el cheapo drill still going strong....and very easy to
>use)
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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| Subject: | 0-200 Wanted (Off Topic) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "M. Orr" <morr@vt.edu>
If anyone has an 0-200 that they'd like to sell please drop me a note. Any runable
engine would be of interest, experimental OK.
Thanks,
Matt
RV-7 (Tail done)
Miniplane with Pitts S1C Wings (FWF- Need 0-200)
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--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
What's wrong with the Matronics web site? We're already here and can
just click on it.
Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
Tennessee)
Do not archive
On 6/1/03, Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> wrote:
I agree. If someone will email them to me, I will be happy to put them
on my
web server where everyone can view them with out having to be a member of
anything.
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
My home field has a single runway running north-south. Consequently most
of our take-offs and landings are crosswind. (Also to make it more fun,
you literally fly around a hill on base and lose sight of the runway
entirely). Most of my time is in 172's and I do slip with flaps down
(both side and forward slips). There is a warning about slipping with
flaps down because the plane may continue to lose altitude after you come
out of the slip. Consequently, I only slip to lose altitude if I am way
high, then come out of when I'm on a normal glide path, but never lower
than 100 feet or so. However, I do carry a slip with one wing low to
counter the crosswind all the way to touchdown and have never had a
problem keeping the nosewheel off. I normally touch down left wheel,
then right wheel, then nose wheel. I have nearly 700 landings and
takeoffs in my log book and have never bent an airplane. A mild bounce
can sometimes be rescued by giving a slight amount of throttle (if you
have lots of runway), but a bad one should definitely be a go around.
Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
Tennessee)
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On 6/1/03: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net> wrpte:
Hmm... did you happen to be slipping a bit of a cross wind or was it
really a no wind condition. IIRC, you really, really don't want to
slip a 172 with flaps down -- you'll put that nose wheel down first for
sure. :-)
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
For my last BFR, my instructor made me do 20 landings (which required 20
takeoffs) before she would sign me off. I only counted it as one flight,
though (just one entry in my log book). BTW, none of them were porpoises
or wheelbarrows:) Mostly, she wasn't happy because they weren't on the
centerline.
Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
Tennessee)
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On 6/1/03 <alexpeterson@usjet.net> wrote:
John, congrats! I am curious about the extra 425 landings, though.....
most flights end with about one landing :
)
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Jerry Springer wrote:
> Parker Thomas wrote:
>
>>My 2002 Van's Aircraft RV-8, N321PT, is for sale for $89,500. I posted
>>a few pictures and comments at www.parkerthomas.com
>><http://www.parkerthomas.com/> .
>
> Unless an RV-8 looks like a suburu I dont see the pictures???
That's strange, I can confirm that it worked earlier today. Looks like the
domain has either been redirected, or someone has uploaded something to the
wrong folder...
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--
---------
Rob Prior
rv7 "at" b4.ca
-----------------------------
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