Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:25 AM - test (Jim Jewell)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore (Dana Overall)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Porpoise/bounce - Totaled a RV this past weekend (P M Condon)
4. 07:46 AM - Sliding Canopy (Phil Birkelbach)
5. 07:58 AM - Re: Logbook Entries (Bill VonDane)
6. 08:17 AM - Slips to a landing (Mark Nielsen)
7. 08:28 AM - Bakersfield BBQ (Tom Gummo)
8. 08:29 AM - Reminder: Langley RV Fly-in this Saturday (Tedd McHenry)
9. 08:38 AM - RV-8 for sale (Parker Thomas)
10. 08:40 AM - Re: Slips to a landing (Canyon)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: 700th Flight (kempthornes)
12. 09:01 AM - Re: Sliding Canopy (kempthornes)
13. 09:24 AM - Re: Porpoise/bounce - Totaled a RV this past weekend (Brian Denk)
14. 10:16 AM - Re: Sliding Canopy (Jim Oke)
15. 10:44 AM - Re: 700th Flight (John)
16. 11:31 AM - Re: Sliding Canopy (Phil Birkelbach)
17. 11:34 AM - -10 flown again yet? (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
18. 12:22 PM - Re: Sliding Canopy (RGray67968@aol.com)
19. 12:26 PM - Re: Sliding Canopy (cecilth@juno.com)
20. 12:45 PM - Re: -10 flown again yet? (RobHickman@aol.com)
21. 01:07 PM - Re: Sliding Canopy (Pat Hatch)
22. 01:20 PM - Re: -10 flown again yet? (Scott Bilinski)
23. 01:30 PM - Oshkosh housing? (Ken Balch)
24. 01:38 PM - How Much Paint? (Scott Bilinski)
25. 01:56 PM - Re: -10 flown again yet? (Dana Overall)
26. 02:24 PM - Re: Sliding Canopy (kempthornes)
27. 02:32 PM - Re: -10 flown again yet? (Scott Bilinski)
28. 02:41 PM - Re: -10 flown again yet? (RobHickman@aol.com)
29. 02:49 PM - Attn: Elsa-Henry (John)
30. 03:18 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Cy Galley)
31. 03:22 PM - Re: How Much Paint? (Randy Lervold)
32. 03:30 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Doug Weiler)
33. 03:40 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Doug Rozendaal)
34. 03:45 PM - Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore (Paul Besing)
35. 03:45 PM - Re: Attn: Elsa-Henry (Jim Jewell)
36. 03:50 PM - Re: How Much Paint? (Scott Bilinski)
37. 04:05 PM - Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore (John Starn)
38. 04:28 PM - Re: -10 flown again yet? (Dan Checkoway)
39. 04:33 PM - Re: How Much Paint? (Martin Hone)
40. 04:48 PM - Re: How Much Paint? (LarryRobertHelming)
41. 04:49 PM - Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore (Dana Overall)
42. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: How Much Paint? (C. Rabaut)
43. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: How Much Paint? (Dr. Leathers)
44. 05:23 PM - Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore (John Starn)
45. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: How Much Paint? (Glenn Brasch)
46. 06:19 PM - Re: Submited (004756-3463) ()
47. 06:34 PM - Re: Sliding Canopy (Jim Oke)
48. 06:37 PM - Re: Oshkosh camping - was housing? (kempthornes)
49. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: How Much Paint? (Alex Peterson)
50. 07:00 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Alex Peterson)
51. 07:02 PM - [Fw: Re: Submited (004756-3463)] (Gert)
52. 07:11 PM - Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore (Dana Overall)
53. 07:55 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Jeff Orear)
54. 08:13 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (RV6 Flyer)
55. 08:20 PM - logbook (Wheeler North)
56. 08:26 PM - Re: Sliding Canopy (Randall Henderson)
57. 08:29 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Glenn Brasch)
58. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: How Much Paint? (Randall Henderson)
59. 08:49 PM - Re: Oshkosh housing? (Al Mojzisik)
60. 10:20 PM - Re: How Much Paint? (Randy Lervold)
61. 10:38 PM - Re: Re: How Much Paint? (Gil Alexander)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
High cost drill.....................Low cost drill................... Well,
I've got to throw my free (get what ya pay for) advice. With the new pre
punched kits, "at least through wing contruction", 99% of all drilling you
are going to do is ream prepunched holes. I used my el super cheapo,
Walmart special DeVilbiss air drill that I bought as a package deal with
sanding and Cut-off tool for dirt cheap. Heck, looking back on it, I
haven't even bought any new #30 or #40 bits since the original half dozen
each..............
If I had to actually drill a buttload of "real" holes, I'm sure I would feel
different. We don't drill anymore all we do is throw some oil in the drill
and ream on.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Porpoise/bounce - Totaled a RV this past weekend |
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
A RV-6A was destroyed this past Friday, in north central NJ from this.
The front gear was curled back and under the aircraft. The RV flipped
over. No injuries to the pilot. RV is most likely totaled.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about to drive
me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be. I have the shape of the
forward bow pretty well done and the width of the forward bow and the shape
of the side rails are good but I don't see anyway possible to get the aft
bow to set in from the skins 1/16". It's about right at the top but by the
time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it goes
back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit then my
side rails are going to be too high in the back.
The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each other
either. I will keep tweaking on it but I would like to know how close all
this stuff has to be before I drive myself crazy trying to get it all
perfect.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Thanks for all the responses to my question!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: Logbook Entries
I thought there was something in the archives on this, but I couldn't find what
I was looking for...
Anyone have logbook entry examples on-line somewhere? Like for annual inspections?
I did mine last month and I need to get the log book updated...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Slips to a landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Nielsen" <mark.nielsen@fiedler-lp.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
> Doug Gray wrote:
> >>On a similar note, are there any side effects or prohibitions from
> >>slipping an RV6/7 to a landing?
>
> The is a possibility of unporting the fuel pickup on the low wing
tank.
> ---
> Apparently so and was mentioned in another post. I appreciate the
> cautionary note. I guess the likelihood is high for detecting that
> condition by alarming on the fuel pressure but that's not a good time
> to be looking for a cause/cure to that extra distraction either. Best
> to be wary with low fuel landings, I'd guess. Of course, a center
fuel
> sump might work also, but I don't really want any fuel in the cockpit
I
> can avoid.
Although I would not want it to happen, an unported fuel tank and
resultant engine stoppage should not be a disaster in this situation.
You are in the slip because you are high and need a steep descent to
make the runway. If your engine stops -- just land the airplane on the
runway like you were planning to do.
It could be a problem however, if you are in the habit of using power to
arrest your sink rate. An RV moving slowly, with full flaps and in a
forward slip has a very high sink rate. The flare must be timed
perfectly or you are in for a hard landing. At slower speeds you may
not have enough energy to fully arrest the sink rate -- even with a
perfect flare.
When I am making a steep descent, I lower the nose (a lot) just before
the flare to get enough energy to arrest my sink rate. I leave the
throttle closed.
Mark Nielsen
RV-6, 812 hrs.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Hey MeanGreen,
What was the count of RVs and Rockets at your BBQ??
The turn out looked very good. My count was 30+ RVs and 12+ Rockets.
While a little expensive, the food was great.
Tom Gummo
"Air Boss"
Apple Valley Air Fair
June 8th - Sunday (This Sunday)
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| Subject: | Reminder: Langley RV Fly-in this Saturday |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Just a quick reminder that the Langley RV Fly-in is this coming Saturday, June
7, at the Langley Township Regional Airport (CYNJ), Langley, BC. Canada.
Langley is about 20 nm north of Bellingham, WA.
This is the annual fly-in for VAF Western Canada Wing and the Langley Aero
Club. For details, and also border-crossing instruction for U.S. visitors, see
our web site at
http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/
---
Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Hi to everyone -
Sorry to bug you with this again. Jerry Springer kindly pointed out
that I, technological genius that I am, overwrote the main file on my
web site. Here is the correct link for the RV-8 for sale.
www.parkerthomas.com <http://www.parkerthomas.com/>
F. Parker Thomas
www.parkerthomas.com
me@parkerthomas.com
615-293-1003 Phone
801-382-1974 Fax
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| Subject: | Re: Slips to a landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Mark Nielsen wrote:
>Although I would not want it to happen, an unported fuel tank and
>resultant engine stoppage should not be a disaster in this situation.
>You are in the slip because you are high and need a steep descent to
>make the runway. If your engine stops -- just land the airplane on the
>runway like you were planning to do.
---
Having thought about it a bit more, it seems the more elegant solution
to the unported fuel tank problem would be simply to switch to the
downwind fuel tank before the approach. With proper fuel management,
it seems to me to be an unlikely event to lose the engine for lack of
fuel by doing this at the proper time.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: 700th Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:07 AM 6/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>Today I flew my 700th flight in my RV6A. It is one month short of being
>8-years since its first flight back in 1995. The machine has survived 1,125
>landings and 'touch and goes' during that time
WOW! But with a few small problems along the way, no? Knowing what these
are would help future builders and those of us with low hours.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 09:45 AM 6/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about to drive
>me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be.
Close enough to fit.
>It's about right at the top but by the
>time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it goes
>back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit then my
>side rails are going to be too high in the back.
You can fill or shim low spots on the frame but where frame sticks out
beyond the skins, that is hard to fix.
>The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each other
I suspect many are not square and it isn't terribly critical. The plexi
edges will be close and the strip that covers the gap between windscreen
and canopy hides all. I haven't done this but I think a rubber gasket
between roll bar and canopy front bow might be good idea.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Porpoise/bounce - Totaled a RV this past weekend |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>A RV-6A was destroyed this past Friday, in north central NJ from this.
>The front gear was curled back and under the aircraft. The RV flipped
>over. No injuries to the pilot. RV is most likely totaled.
This is a similar scenario that got Bill Pagan a while back in his -8A:
Porpoise, nose gear failure, flipped over, went off the runway. He and wife
got out with minor injuries. Love sliders and their rollbars!
In the times that I've arrested a landing descent with a bit too much aft
stick, if I can't set the pitch attitude where it needs to be within a few
seconds, I go around. With the power available in the RV series of
aircraft, the go-around is a simple affair. Just gotta keep the ego in
check and never fight the airplane down in the runway in a series of bounces
and lurches.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
341 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Phil;
I would second Hal's comments below.
This is simply a longish, progressive process. Each time you do an
adjustment lower down it throws off what you had fitting well higher up.
Then you have to redadjust up there and work back lower down. Best way seems
to be to start at the top center of the aft bow and then work downwards to
the left and right sides. Note that at the centre of the aft bow, bending is
mostly needed in a vertical plane and then by the mid point, the plane of
bending is at about a 45 deg. angle. (This is a progessive change all along
the aft canopy edge.)
The actual canopy plastic is quite thick, so make an adequate allowance for
this. About 1/8 - 3/16 in below the line of the adjoining fuselage skin is
needed. Being a bit high is no problem. Being low will cause some problems
when fitting the canopy skirt, so use some shim material to fill this out as
needed. I used autobody filler as a simple "progessive" and adjustable (by
sanding) shimming method and ended up with a "D" shaped tube cross section
vice a round "O" tube crossection. A smooth curve without "bumps" will also
avoid stressing the canopy plastic.
No need to be fussy about the canopy - bow gap or fit. Leave lots of room
fore and aft and use a soft rubber seal or gasket to close the gap and keep
the rain out. Try car trunk sealing material from a body shop supplier as a
gasket; this stuff comes in lots of sizes and shapes and is about the right
resiliency. Shim as needed with body filler to get the windscreen - canopy
join as you like it. Better if the canopy is a bit lower than the windscreen
for fitting the fairing strip and later ease of closing the canopy.
Suggest you make up some temporary wood blocks for the aft canopy pins as
you are working on the canopy. The fit may change several times when you are
working. Then when you are done, drill the good plastic ones for final use.
Replacement plastic ones cost about $4.00 a pair. (guess how I know...)
Jim Oke
RV-6A (slider)
Winnipeg, Man.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sliding Canopy
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 09:45 AM 6/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> >
> >I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about to
drive
> >me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be.
>
> Close enough to fit.
>
> >It's about right at the top but by the
> >time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it goes
> >back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit then
my
> >side rails are going to be too high in the back.
>
> You can fill or shim low spots on the frame but where frame sticks out
> beyond the skins, that is hard to fix.
>
> >The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each other
>
> I suspect many are not square and it isn't terribly critical. The plexi
> edges will be close and the strip that covers the gap between windscreen
> and canopy hides all. I haven't done this but I think a rubber gasket
> between roll bar and canopy front bow might be good idea.
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 700th Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Jim Hasper commented about being asked to do 20 landings during a BFR and he
only counted it as one flight. I do the same, so my 700 flights are one take
off and one full stop landing with perhaps some touch and goes thrown in now
and then. The 700 were full flights and not circuits around the patch...FWIW
Also on the porposing thread....I just had a BFR this morning and the
instructor commented on the nose high attitude during flare to landing in
the RV6A and I explained about crunching nose gears and porposing...he
seemed satisfied, so I am good for another two years !
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 09:45 AM 6/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> >
> >I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about to
drive
> >me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be.
>
> Close enough to fit.
>
> >It's about right at the top but by the
> >time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it goes
> >back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit then
my
> >side rails are going to be too high in the back.
>
> You can fill or shim low spots on the frame but where frame sticks out
> beyond the skins, that is hard to fix.
>
> >The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each other
>
> I suspect many are not square and it isn't terribly critical. The plexi
> edges will be close and the strip that covers the gap between windscreen
> and canopy hides all. I haven't done this but I think a rubber gasket
> between roll bar and canopy front bow might be good idea.
Another question... How close should the forward bow come to the roll bar?
The little flanges on the rollers keep the roll bar about 3/16" away and I
probably have about 1/4" or maybe a little more distance at the top. Should
I trim the rollers to make it snug up to the roll bar??
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Anyone know if the -10 has flown again after its first flight of 5/29?
Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Let me say this, the frame on my 6 had to be CUT loose at the rear bows AND
the front of the spine and rewelded to get a good fit. No biggie........just do
whatever it takes. Once you're finished the canopy it'll seem like it wasn't
that big of a deal. Just keep working on it.....if you get
frustrated......move on to something else and come back to it in a few weeks or
so. RELAX!!
Also, get the hollow 'D' seal from J.C. Whitney to seal between the roll bar
and the front of the slider bow. Fill the void between the roll bar and your
fairing with micro then stick the 'D' seal on AFTER you paint the plane. Please
paint the inside of your fairing........it'll look MUCH better than raw
glass.
for the archives
Rick Gray RV6 w/180 hours in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> >>I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about to
> drive
> >>me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be.
> >
> >Close enough to fit.
> >
> >>It's about right at the top but by the
> >>time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it goes
> >>back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit then
> my
> >>side rails are going to be too high in the back.
> >
> >You can fill or shim low spots on the frame but where frame sticks out
> >beyond the skins, that is hard to fix.
> >
> >>The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each other
> >
> >I suspect many are not square and it isn't terribly critical. The plexi
> >edges will be close and the strip that covers the gap between windscreen
> >and canopy hides all. I haven't done this but I think a rubber gasket
> >between roll bar and canopy front bow might be good idea.
>
> Another question... How close should the forward bow come to the roll bar?
> The little flanges on the rollers keep the roll bar about 3/16" away and I
> probably have about 1/4" or maybe a little more distance at the top. Should
> I trim the rollers to make it snug up to the roll bar??
>
> >
> >K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> >RV6-a N7HK flying!
> >PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
When I was at this point after bending and rebending, I just cut out a
little piece and welded it back togeather so it was streight.
Worked great.
Cut little pieces till it looks good then get it welded by someone if you
can't.
Cecil
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:33 -0500 "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about
> to drive
> me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be. I have the
> shape of the
> forward bow pretty well done and the width of the forward bow and
> the shape
> of the side rails are good but I don't see anyway possible to get
> the aft
> bow to set in from the skins 1/16". It's about right at the top but
> by the
> time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it
> goes
> back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit
> then my
> side rails are going to be too high in the back.
>
> The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each
> other
> either. I will keep tweaking on it but I would like to know how
> close all
> this stuff has to be before I drive myself crazy trying to get it
> all
> perfect.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
As of this morning it has over 10 hours on it.
Rob Hickman
www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Phil,
I think the most important part is to get the canopy frame parallel to the
fuselage skin and canopy rails when in the closed position. Everything else
you can shim or cover up. A really good-looking slider, however, is one in
which the side skirts match the fuselage perfectly--not easy to do. I
rarely see one that is perfect, mine included. But you can come close! And
then there are the rear skirts. Here is where the true measure of a good
canopy fit is determined. The first thing slider guys look at on someone
else's airplane is the canopy fit on the fuse sides and how tight the skirts
hug the back.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
Subject: RV-List: Sliding Canopy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> I am still trying to bend the canopy frame on my RV-7. It's about to
drive
> me nuts. How close does all this stuff need to be. I have the shape of
the
> forward bow pretty well done and the width of the forward bow and the
shape
> of the side rails are good but I don't see anyway possible to get the aft
> bow to set in from the skins 1/16". It's about right at the top but by
the
> time it comes down the sides it's 3/8" in from the skins and then it goes
> back to 1/16" as it approaches the side rails. If I bend it to fit then
my
> side rails are going to be too high in the back.
>
> The forward bow and the roll bar are not quite square with each other
> either. I will keep tweaking on it but I would like to know how close all
> this stuff has to be before I drive myself crazy trying to get it all
> perfect.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I saw it flying last friday when I was up there for transition training. I
beleive Van flies it home everyday at least thats the way it was explained.
Has a nice engine monitor too, but a little to much of a light show for my
taste.
At 12:30 PM 6/3/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
><winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>Anyone know if the -10 has flown again after its first flight of 5/29?
>
>Andy
>
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Well, I admit it, I've left it to almost the last minute. I'm going to
be at OSH (arriving on the 28th with the rest of the Cup racers) and
have no place lined up to stay.
I've been all through the list of hotels on the EAA website and nobody
has any available rooms anywhere near the airport. I really, really
don't want to stay 50+ miles away.
Does anyone know of any rooms that might be available in the immediate
vicinity of Wittman Field? Maybe someone with a reservation who won't
be attending this year, after all...?
Camping is probably out for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm a camping virgin
(except for one night that is best left unmentioned and unremembered)
and have no equipment; and 2) 'roughing it' for me is a four star hotel
instead of five. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea... :-)
Anyway, any help at all would be greatly appreciated!
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
For those of you that have painted your own plane, just how many gallons
did you use for a single stage paint? I applied 3 coats on the heavy side I
think. and want to compare.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>Has a nice engine monitor too, but a little to much of a light show for my
>taste.
>
Isn't the 10 using Advanced Flight's engine monitering system?
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 01:31 PM 6/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>Another question... How close should the forward bow come to the roll bar?
>The little flanges on the rollers keep the roll bar about 3/16" away and I
>probably have about 1/4" or maybe a little more distance at the top. Should
>I trim the rollers to make it snug up to the roll bar??
I cut the slider center bar and lengthened it a little bit, maybe a 1/4
inch. Sounds like they still aren't made quite right. Then the wheel
brackets hit the roll bar, the canopy front bow was close to the roll bar
and the rear of the frame didn't stick up too high. People talk about the
compound curve between the canopy and the turtledeck but there isn't one in
the design. My rear skirts are aluminum and fit snug at top but not at
sides. One day, I will make new rear skirts and they will fit without any
shrinking. They need to be more 'C' shaped.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Did not recognize it but there again after buying the VM-1000 I quit
looking at others. Didn't it just come out recently?
At 04:55 PM 6/3/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
>>From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>>Has a nice engine monitor too, but a little to much of a light show for my
>>taste.
>>
>
>
>Isn't the 10 using Advanced Flight's engine monitering system?
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>RV-7 slider/fuselage
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
In a message dated 6/3/2003 1:58:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bo124rs@hotmail.com writes:
> Isn't the 10 using Advanced Flight's engine monitoring system?
>
The RV-10 does have our engine monitor in it. Ken Krueger is even
downloading all the engine data after each flight and graphing it in Excel. You
can see
the cylinder head temps dropping as they break in.
We will be at Oshkosh booth 4077 , drop by and see us.
Rob Hickman
(RV-4 N401RH)
www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com
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| Subject: | Attn: Elsa-Henry |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
i kno dat spelin aint korect, butt its nyce 2 no da spelin polize r watchn
John at Salida,. CO
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Check with the housing hot line. They will hook you up with a private home.
For private housing or camper/RV rentals call 920.235.3007
http://www.oshkoshcvb.org/eaa.cfm and
http://www.oshkoshcvb.org/eaa-extra.htm
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
P.S. I can't help. I live in Rock Island, Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh housing?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>
> Well, I admit it, I've left it to almost the last minute. I'm going to
> be at OSH (arriving on the 28th with the rest of the Cup racers) and
> have no place lined up to stay.
>
> I've been all through the list of hotels on the EAA website and nobody
> has any available rooms anywhere near the airport. I really, really
> don't want to stay 50+ miles away.
>
> Does anyone know of any rooms that might be available in the immediate
> vicinity of Wittman Field? Maybe someone with a reservation who won't
> be attending this year, after all...?
>
> Camping is probably out for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm a camping virgin
> (except for one night that is best left unmentioned and unremembered)
> and have no equipment; and 2) 'roughing it' for me is a four star hotel
> instead of five. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea... :-)
>
> Anyway, any help at all would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Scott,
I used PPG Concept and also found that it took 3 coats to really get the
finish I was after. Because we all typically use multiple colors it's a bit
hard to keep track of how much paint is being used. In all though I remember
adding it up and between the white, red, and gray I used nearly 3 gallons.
Cheers,
Randy Lervold
www.rv-8.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: RV-List: How Much Paint?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> For those of you that have painted your own plane, just how many gallons
> did you use for a single stage paint? I applied 3 coats on the heavy side
I
> think. and want to compare.
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
> Well, I admit it, I've left it to almost the last minute. I'm going to
> be at OSH (arriving on the 28th with the rest of the Cup racers) and
> have no place lined up to stay.
>
> I've been all through the list of hotels on the EAA website and nobody
> has any available rooms anywhere near the airport. I really, really
> don't want to stay 50+ miles away.
>
> Does anyone know of any rooms that might be available in the immediate
> vicinity of Wittman Field? Maybe someone with a reservation who won't
> be attending this year, after all...?
>
> Camping is probably out for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm a camping virgin
> (except for one night that is best left unmentioned and unremembered)
> and have no equipment; and 2) 'roughing it' for me is a four star hotel
> instead of five. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea... :-)
>
> Anyway, any help at all would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Regards,
Ken:
Call the EAA Housing Hotline. I would suggest you stay in a private home
recommended by them. I have used this process for the last 6 years and it
is very enjoyable. I have stayed with one family for 4 years and another
for the last two.
The number is on the EAA's website.
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
RV-4, N722DW
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>
>
> Camping is probably out for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm a camping virgin
> (except for one night that is best left unmentioned and unremembered)
> and have no equipment; and 2) 'roughing it' for me is a four star hotel
> instead of five. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea... :-)
>
I have a tent, a sleeping bag a foam pad and a pillow. That is all. I NEVER
camp anywhere but OSH. The food is handy, the showers are fairly close,
(sometimes cold unless you are an early riser). A tent is cheaper than one
night at a Super-8 and there is nothing on earth like waking up to the
sound of a Merlin in the morning!!!!!
The downside is some SOB yo-dels on the PA at 0700 every morning. I am
awake, but if they want a wake up call, why not play a R-2800 coming to
life...... Then of course the Thunderstorms are no fun either, but then
laying under lightening in an open field with a carbon fiber tent pole,
wondering how your airplane will look with a ball-peen paint job from the
hail, adds a little excitement to your life.
Give it a try! You have to take Motrin in the morning at OSH for your
hangover, it will help your sore back from the hard ground too!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
That's not fair, Dana. Not fair at all. Can't wait for the pre punched,
pre drilled, match drilled, pre formed, pre cut, pre fabbed -10 to come out.
do not archive.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> High cost drill.....................Low cost drill...................
Well,
> I've got to throw my free (get what ya pay for) advice. With the new pre
> punched kits, "at least through wing contruction", 99% of all drilling you
> are going to do is ream prepunched holes. I used my el super cheapo,
> Walmart special DeVilbiss air drill that I bought as a package deal with
> sanding and Cut-off tool for dirt cheap. Heck, looking back on it, I
> haven't even bought any new #30 or #40 bits since the original half dozen
> each..............
>
> If I had to actually drill a buttload of "real" holes, I'm sure I would
feel
> different. We don't drill anymore all we do is throw some oil in the
drill
> and ream on.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attn: Elsa-Henry |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Poysonalyidongivbadamnsowhaddaryahgoinadoaboudit?
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: RV-List: Attn: Elsa-Henry
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> i kno dat spelin aint korect, butt its nyce 2 no da spelin polize r watchn
>
> John at Salida,. CO
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I dont feel so bad then I am at about 2 to 2.5 gal.
At 03:22 PM 6/3/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
>
>Scott,
>
>I used PPG Concept and also found that it took 3 coats to really get the
>finish I was after. Because we all typically use multiple colors it's a bit
>hard to keep track of how much paint is being used. In all though I remember
>adding it up and between the white, red, and gray I used nearly 3 gallons.
>
>Cheers,
>Randy Lervold
>www.rv-8.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: How Much Paint?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>> For those of you that have painted your own plane, just how many gallons
>> did you use for a single stage paint? I applied 3 coats on the heavy side
>I
>> think. and want to compare.
>>
>>
>> Scott Bilinski
>> Eng dept 305
>> Phone (858) 657-2536
>> Pager (858) 502-5190
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
After the HRII, the -10 sounds like a cake walk. "Let them eat cake" has a
nice ring to it. But be careful you don't lose you head. (pun intended)
KABONG (GBA)
Do Not Archive
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> That's not fair, Dana. Not fair at all. Can't wait for the pre punched,
> pre drilled, match drilled, pre formed, pre cut, pre fabbed -10 to come
out.
>
> do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: -10 flown again yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I just want to say that I have the ACS2002 for my RV-7 and I'm in the
process of installing it. It looks great, it has every function I could
imagine wanting, and Rob & Ken have been a pleasure to deal with. Kudos to
Rob for making such a kick-butt product and backing it up with great
service.
I should have mine fired up within a few weeks, and I'm documenting the
installation process on my site (it's scattered right now but I'll
consolidate an ACS2002 specific page when I'm done). It's been painless
because absolutely everything is included, and any questions I've had have
been answered quickly.
I'm sure people seeing it on the RV-10 will be a major validator, but I
never had any doubts...I settled on the ACS2002 when I first saw it last
year. Seems to be the most comprehensive package and best display out
there.
I'm not affiliated, just a *very* happy customer who can't wait to fly with
it.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <RobHickman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: -10 flown again yet?
> --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/3/2003 1:58:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> bo124rs@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > Isn't the 10 using Advanced Flight's engine monitoring system?
> >
>
> The RV-10 does have our engine monitor in it. Ken Krueger is even
> downloading all the engine data after each flight and graphing it in
Excel. You can see
> the cylinder head temps dropping as they break in.
>
> We will be at Oshkosh booth 4077 , drop by and see us.
>
>
> Rob Hickman
> (RV-4 N401RH)
> www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
Hi Scott,
I used DuPont Imron on my RV6 and based on my paint purchases, I estimate that
it took 3 litres of blue, 3 litres of white plus a litre of reducer and another
litre of activator, for a total of 8 litres.
Add to that 2 litres of primer ( I also alodined/chromic acid - treated the entire
aircraft prior to painting) and I end up with around 10 litres of paint, not
counting the interior - say 2.64 US gallons.
At 8 pounds per gallon - say 20 lbs in weight
I found the Imron covered very well and I used an el-cheapo HVLP gun which seemed
to help reduce overspray
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Is that only counting gallons of the finish coat or are you also including
the primer coat? Did you prime with PPG DPLF?
Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: How Much Paint?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I dont feel so bad then I am at about 2 to 2.5 gal.
>
> At 03:22 PM 6/3/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> >
> >Scott,
> >
> >I used PPG Concept and also found that it took 3 coats to really get the
> >finish I was after. Because we all typically use multiple colors it's a
bit
> >hard to keep track of how much paint is being used. In all though I
remember
> >adding it up and between the white, red, and gray I used nearly 3
gallons.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Randy Lervold
> >www.rv-8.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: How Much Paint?
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> ><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >>
> >> For those of you that have painted your own plane, just how many
gallons
> >> did you use for a single stage paint? I applied 3 coats on the heavy
side
> >I
> >> think. and want to compare.
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Bilinski
> >> Eng dept 305
> >> Phone (858) 657-2536
> >> Pager (858) 502-5190
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
>That's not fair, Dana. Not fair at all. Can't wait for the pre punched,
>pre drilled, match drilled, pre formed, pre cut, pre fabbed -10 to come
>out.
You are right Paul but you are leaving out one very important
point..........your vision of fair will fly out the window when you cleco
the 10 VS together right out of the box!! Like the old commercial, "did you
bake that yourself.........no "It's shake and bake"."
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
I wonder if anyone out there in "list-land" really knows exactly what paint
weights when dry...
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Hone <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
Subject: RV-List: Re: How Much Paint?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone"
<martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I used DuPont Imron on my RV6 and based on my paint purchases, I estimate
that it took 3 litres of blue, 3 litres of white plus a litre of reducer and
another litre of activator, for a total of 8 litres.
>
> Add to that 2 litres of primer ( I also alodined/chromic acid - treated
the entire aircraft prior to painting) and I end up with around 10 litres of
paint, not counting the interior - say 2.64 US gallons.
>
> At 8 pounds per gallon - say 20 lbs in weight
>
> I found the Imron covered very well and I used an el-cheapo HVLP gun which
seemed to help reduce overspray
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
I wonder how much a paint job like that actually weighs after the solvents
evaporate?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
Subject: RV-List: Re: How Much Paint?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone"
<martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I used DuPont Imron on my RV6 and based on my paint purchases, I estimate
that it took 3 litres of blue, 3 litres of white plus a litre of reducer and
another litre of activator, for a total of 8 litres.
>
> Add to that 2 litres of primer ( I also alodined/chromic acid - treated
the entire aircraft prior to painting) and I end up with around 10 litres of
paint, not counting the interior - say 2.64 US gallons.
>
> At 8 pounds per gallon - say 20 lbs in weight
>
> I found the Imron covered very well and I used an el-cheapo HVLP gun which
seemed to help reduce overspray
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Dang, does that mean that IF you buy a QB, have someone build the wings and
tail, install the completed & wired panel, buy the seats, get it painted at
a shop and have a person test fly off all the time, take you and the plane
go to OSH and win an award for YOUR homebuilt. YEP, seen it done. Ya'll
don't have to know how to rivet, drill, cut, fit, paint etc as long as you
can write checks. Guess I'll just get have to get started on mining more
aluminum ore so I can "build" an RV-10. Should be able to get the -10 in the
air quicker than 5 years. But then flying is what it's all about. Do Not
Archive KABONG (GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >That's not fair, Dana. Not fair at all. Can't wait for the pre punched,
> >pre drilled, match drilled, pre formed, pre cut, pre fabbed -10 to come
> >out.
>
> You are right Paul but you are leaving out one very important
> point..........your vision of fair will fly out the window when you cleco
> the 10 VS together right out of the box!! Like the old commercial, "did
you
> bake that yourself.........no "It's shake and bake"."
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
please don't start......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: How Much Paint?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> I wonder how much a paint job like that actually weighs after the solvents
> evaporate?
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
> To: <RV-List@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: How Much Paint?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone"
> <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > I used DuPont Imron on my RV6 and based on my paint purchases, I
estimate
> that it took 3 litres of blue, 3 litres of white plus a litre of reducer
and
> another litre of activator, for a total of 8 litres.
> >
> > Add to that 2 litres of primer ( I also alodined/chromic acid - treated
> the entire aircraft prior to painting) and I end up with around 10 litres
of
> paint, not counting the interior - say 2.64 US gallons.
> >
> > At 8 pounds per gallon - say 20 lbs in weight
> >
> > I found the Imron covered very well and I used an el-cheapo HVLP gun
which
> seemed to help reduce overspray
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin in Oz
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Submited (004756-3463) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <BELTEDAIR@aol.com>
Please see the attached file.
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Phil;
This is just my opinion, but I would suggest you arrange the bow to canopy
frame fit to end up with, say, 1/4" spacing with the over center lock in
place and use 3/8" thick rubber seal material. In other words, plan to
compress the rubber 1/8" or so in the closed position to get a good weather
seal. (This might be a bit more than 1/8" or a bit more as the latch goes
over center and then some spring back).
Obviously the spacing you choose will depend to a degree on the seal
material you end up using, so it might be advisable to investigate and
procure this early on. Some experiment and adjustment might be needed.
This will also look after minor variations in the bow-frame fit.
Good luck!
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sliding Canopy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>
> Another question... How close should the forward bow come to the roll bar?
> The little flanges on the rollers keep the roll bar about 3/16" away and I
> probably have about 1/4" or maybe a little more distance at the top.
Should
> I trim the rollers to make it snug up to the roll bar??
>
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh camping - was housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 05:39 PM 6/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>I have a tent, a sleeping bag a foam pad and a pillow. That is all.
Camping at OSH doesn't need skill as much as tiredness and the ability to
take heat and humidity. One skill you do need is the knowledge that you
must have good equipment. I take a two person Eureka back packing
tent. It is both tent and tent fly (a sort of second roof) and sewn in
floor. Oh, yeah also a good set of netting. There are probably lots of
good tents but I would have trouble thinking of other than Eureka. We
bought an air mattress by Coleman, the lantern company a year ago and have
used it at least twenty times and it has never leaked! These plus a good
pillow, any cheap sleeping bag, a pee jar and four to six ounces per nite
of whiskey and you are set.
One year, I camped alone with the tent under the wing of the
Debonair. Lonesome, clear down by Basler . Now I camp in Scholler with
friends who have a pickup camper and a giant overfly.
I've stayed at distant motels and hotels too but camping is much more fun.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
These weights can be found on the product's data sheets. There is a
surprisingly small amount, by weight, of volatiles in paint. The tough
part is knowing how much paint ends up on the plane vs in the air.
Plus, the color matters quite a bit (many of the colors are oxides of
relatively heavy metals).
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 309 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> I wonder if anyone out there in "list-land" really knows
> exactly what paint weights when dry...
>
>
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| Subject: | Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> The downside is some SOB yo-dels on the PA at 0700 every
> morning.
This SOB is why there should be concealed carry allowed as OSH. That is
far and away the dumbest thing about OSH camping along the flight line.
Thunderstorms are normal - this yodelling yahoo is not.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: Submited (004756-3463)] |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
I keep getting these messages, with no attachment, had several in the
last few weeks.
THANKS MATT for removing !! as I suspect they are bogus and infected.
anybody else se these fly by??
Gert
Do not archive
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RV-List: Re: Submited (004756-3463)
From: <BELTEDAIR@aol.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: <BELTEDAIR@aol.com>
Please see the attached file.
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Air Reamer? Not drill anymore |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Guess I'll just get have to get started on mining more
>aluminum ore so I can "build" an RV-10. >
The only thing we pre punched guys don't do is measure and drill. We still
build. The first person who comes up to my finished 7 and says I didn't
build it gets a KABONG (I rode under the blue lights also)!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Guess I'll just get have to get started on mining more
>aluminum ore so I can "build" an RV-10. >
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
You forgot to mention all the free beer you get, Doug.
Let me rephrase that......all the free beer YOU get, Doug! ;
)
I will admit this tho...at least Doug brings his own Motrin....
Do Not Archive
Regards,
Jeff Orear ( One of many official beer suppliers to Doug Rozendaal)
RV6A
fuselage (waiting for finish kit)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh housing?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
> >
> >
> > Camping is probably out for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm a camping virgin
> > (except for one night that is best left unmentioned and unremembered)
> > and have no equipment; and 2) 'roughing it' for me is a four star hotel
> > instead of five. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea... :-)
> >
>
>
> I have a tent, a sleeping bag a foam pad and a pillow. That is all. I
NEVER
> camp anywhere but OSH. The food is handy, the showers are fairly close,
> (sometimes cold unless you are an early riser). A tent is cheaper than
one
> night at a Super-8 and there is nothing on earth like waking up to the
> sound of a Merlin in the morning!!!!!
>
> The downside is some SOB yo-dels on the PA at 0700 every morning. I am
> awake, but if they want a wake up call, why not play a R-2800 coming to
> life...... Then of course the Thunderstorms are no fun either, but then
> laying under lightening in an open field with a carbon fiber tent pole,
> wondering how your airplane will look with a ball-peen paint job from the
> hail, adds a little excitement to your life.
>
> Give it a try! You have to take Motrin in the morning at OSH for your
> hangover, it will help your sore back from the hard ground too!
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Do not archive.
The last time I camped at Oshkosh, I was parked next to a Glasair. He
provided me with beer and left all he did not drink when he departed.
Sounds like I need to meet some of Doug's friends to get beer from. Wonder
if it is COLD beer or just beer?
Have stayed in a private house renting a room.
Rented a motor home with other RV'ers.
And stayed in the dorms.
The room in the house was my first trip and very enjoyable and I have
plesant memories of it.
Camping was the first time in my RV-6 and also enjoyable.
Would rather sleep in a bed if I can get one but would camping at Oshkosh is
second only to a CLEAN bed.
Have a room in the dorms this year.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,283 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh housing?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
You forgot to mention all the free beer you get, Doug.
Let me rephrase that......all the free beer YOU get, Doug! ;
)
I will admit this tho...at least Doug brings his own Motrin....
Do Not Archive
Regards,
Jeff Orear ( One of many official beer suppliers to Doug Rozendaal)
RV6A
fuselage (waiting for finish kit)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh housing?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
> >
> >
> > Camping is probably out for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm a camping
virgin
> > (except for one night that is best left unmentioned and unremembered)
> > and have no equipment; and 2) 'roughing it' for me is a four star hotel
> > instead of five. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea...
:-)
> >
>
>
> I have a tent, a sleeping bag a foam pad and a pillow. That is all. I
NEVER
> camp anywhere but OSH. The food is handy, the showers are fairly close,
> (sometimes cold unless you are an early riser). A tent is cheaper than
one
> night at a Super-8 and there is nothing on earth like waking up to the
> sound of a Merlin in the morning!!!!!
>
> The downside is some SOB yo-dels on the PA at 0700 every morning. I am
> awake, but if they want a wake up call, why not play a R-2800 coming to
> life...... Then of course the Thunderstorms are no fun either, but then
> laying under lightening in an open field with a carbon fiber tent pole,
> wondering how your airplane will look with a ball-peen paint job from the
> hail, adds a little excitement to your life.
>
> Give it a try! You have to take Motrin in the morning at OSH for your
> hangover, it will help your sore back from the hard ground too!
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Bill,
I don't know how old your plane is or where you got it certified, but many
exps pre '95ish may have a wide variety of operating limitations, some of
which do not include this statement. This is one area the FAA has been
slowly standardizing all across the land for the last 50 odd years.
Gary Sobeck's version is the best, mostly because that's the kinda guy he
is, but, it also is right out of the FAA documentation that covers
certification of aircraft. Its in a FAA Order, but I don't have the number
right in front of me as its on my workstation at work, and there's about 20
of them that relate to certification.
This also basically paraphrases CFR14 43.11a4 which is used for certified
aircraft.
"TTIS, Date
I certify that this aircraft has been inspected in accordance with an xxxx
inspection and was determined to be in an airworthy condition.
Name, rating, number"
Your limitations may also require the use of a checklist for this
inspection, but you are not required to reference this list in the logbook
entry. And I don't recommend that you do reference it, as no list is
perfect, therefore it is subject to lawsuit. A good starting point is CFR14
Part 43 Appx. D, although this one is very limited, I have seen some
manufacturer's checklists miss items from this one. And when you end up in
the King's court, it best to be able to say you've at least met the scope
and detail of the list written in the King's rulebook.
Also make all other service entries separate from the inspection entry.
And finally make sure your list of AD compliancies is accurate and up to
date. This is one many exps forget about, but CFR14 part 39 applies to all
aircraft. The requirement for the AD compliancy list is in Part 91.417,
which applies to all aircraft and is a must read for any aircraft
owner/operator.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov
/cfr_2002/janqtr/14cfr91.417.htm
may need to resplice the link.
And if you know what's best for you, totally ignore the part where it says
you can throw away most maintenance records after one year or when supercede
by further work.
and since this is probably more than you ever wanted to know, I will let
this one archive.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Jim Oke said:
> This is just my opinion, but I would suggest you arrange the bow to canopy
> frame fit to end up with, say, 1/4" spacing with the over center lock in
> place and use 3/8" thick rubber seal material,
[snip]
On mine the roller weldements are against the rollbar when closed. The front
bow and rollbar are pretty much parallel but I don't think that's
critical -- main thing is to make sure the latch goes over-center with a
solid feel but not too much force.
I've flown quite a bit in rain and the only place I get water in is in the
gap between the "hat" fairing and the center track in the rear. The way the
fiberglass fairing is laid up makes for a very close fit that seals pretty
well, and on my plane at least seems to be sufficient to keep the rain out.
I'm not sure but what a rubber channel wouldn't compromise an otherwise
tight fit and maybe cause a problem where there wasn't one to begin with. I
suggest building it without any seal materialo and figure out how/what to
add later if it turns out to be leaky.
As for bending the frame -- the main thing is simply PATIENCE. Bend just a
little bit at a time and keep checking, its an iterative process both to get
it right and also just to learn how bending one place affects the rest of
the frame. I thought I'd never get mine right and thought I might have to
cut/reweld, but after several evenings messing around with it I was able to
get it very very close with only a small 1/8" slice of 4130 tubing shimming
one front corner at the roller weldement. It fits really nice if I do say so
myself.. I do agree with what others said about the sides being more
important than the front. But mainly just have patience and you'll
eventually get it wrestled into shape.
A little more can be seen on my web site at
http://www.edt.com/homewing/rhproject/
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
I love camping out in Camp Scholler in an RV, the 4 wheel kind. Have done
it now for about 15 years, and have many long lasting friendships from it,
and see the same people over and over, as we all have. To the gentleman who
made the first post, I would recommend it. I have my own camper now, but
when I first started, I would fly into Chicago and rent a motorhome from
Crystal Lake RV. They have the best and newest stuff, and they are not
cheap, but well worth it. I would split it with a buddy and it would be no
more than a hotel. I would rent the smallest Class C they had WITH a
generator. I always camp in the 24 hour generator area, in case it gets
REALLY hot and I need the AC at night (sorry you tent folks, been there,
done that). Hope to see many RV folks there this year, and look forard to
camping under the wing in a tent some year. Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. do
not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
I weighed my RV-6 VERY carefully just before and just after paint. 1 coat of
primer, 2-3 coats of base, and 2-3 coats of clear (PPG basecoat/clearcoat
system). The paint (exterior only) added 10 pounds.
HOWEVER -- I have a buddy who used a lot more paint -- he kept on not being
satisfied with the finish, sanded and re-shot several times -- he claims he
added more than 20lbs to his plane. So it definitely depends on technique
and skill (the skill wasn't mine -- have to admit I worked with a
professional aircraft painter to get mine done....)
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh housing? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Oh sure Doug, It's easy to carry next to nothing when you steal my
daughters bike to get back to the warbirds campground when I'm not driving
you across the flight line at 1:30 AM. Maybe I should put the pictures of
you at the campsite on the Matronics photo-share to show how good you
really have it. Of course sitting in the red-tail for about half an hour
makes it all worth while, at least I can say I SAT in a Mustang "C" model!
........ AL
At 05:39 PM 6/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a tent, a sleeping bag a foam pad and a pillow. That is all. I NEVER
>camp anywhere but OSH. The food is handy, the showers are fairly close,
>(sometimes cold unless you are an early riser). A tent is cheaper than one
>night at a Super-8 and there is nothing on earth like waking up to the
>sound of a Merlin in the morning!!!!!
>
>The downside is some SOB yo-dels on the PA at 0700 every morning. I am
>awake, but if they want a wake up call, why not play a R-2800 coming to
>life...... Then of course the Thunderstorms are no fun either, but then
>laying under lightening in an open field with a carbon fiber tent pole,
>wondering how your airplane will look with a ball-peen paint job from the
>hail, adds a little excitement to your life.
>
>Give it a try! You have to take Motrin in the morning at OSH for your
>hangover, it will help your sore back from the hard ground too!
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Larry, yes, the "nearly 3 gallons" is finish coat. Other than K38 on the
fiberglass parts, I primed with DX1791 self-etching wash primer which is
very light. The DPLF epoxy primer definitely adds weight and also orange
peel.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: How Much Paint?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> Is that only counting gallons of the finish coat or are you also including
> the primer coat? Did you prime with PPG DPLF?
>
> Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
> Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: How Much Paint?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > I dont feel so bad then I am at about 2 to 2.5 gal.
> >
> > At 03:22 PM 6/3/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> > >
> > >Scott,
> > >
> > >I used PPG Concept and also found that it took 3 coats to really get
the
> > >finish I was after. Because we all typically use multiple colors it's a
> bit
> > >hard to keep track of how much paint is being used. In all though I
> remember
> > >adding it up and between the white, red, and gray I used nearly 3
> gallons.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Randy Lervold
> > >www.rv-8.com
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: RV-List: How Much Paint?
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> > ><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > >>
> > >> For those of you that have painted your own plane, just how many
> gallons
> > >> did you use for a single stage paint? I applied 3 coats on the heavy
> side
> > >I
> > >> think. and want to compare.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Scott Bilinski
> > >> Eng dept 305
> > >> Phone (858) 657-2536
> > >> Pager (858) 502-5190
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Scott Bilinski
> > Eng dept 305
> > Phone (858) 657-2536
> > Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Paint weights haven't changed since 1996... gil in Tucson...
from the archives....
Guys, The manufacturer has the data.
The following is from the Sterling Aviation Application Guide. Dry film
paint thicknesses can be measured using a micrometer, and probably should
be done during your practice work before painting your RV.
Sterling's Best paint system
U-1201 (MIL-23377 primer) 0.0007 inch coating 0.0093 #/sq. ft.
U-1000 primer 0.002 inch max. 0.0146 #/sq. ft.
U-1000 color 0.002 inch recommended 0.0258 #/sq. ft.
Total paint weight 0.05 lbs. per sq. ft.
Sterling's Good paint system
U-1201 (MIL-23377 primer) 0.0007 inch coating 0.0093 #/sq. ft.
U-1000 color 0.002 inch recommended 0.0258 #/sq. ft.
Total paint weight 0.035 lbs. per sq. ft.
Sterling's Economical paint system - not as good corrosion protection
M-3325 (wash primer) 0.0003 inch coating 0.0027 #/sq. ft.
U-1000 color 0.002 inch recommended 0.0258 #/sq. ft.
Total paint weight 0.029 lbs. per sq. ft.
At 05:22 PM 6/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
>I wonder how much a paint job like that actually weighs after the solvents
>evaporate?
>
>Doc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
>To: <RV-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: How Much Paint?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone"
><martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > I used DuPont Imron on my RV6 and based on my paint purchases, I estimate
>that it took 3 litres of blue, 3 litres of white plus a litre of reducer and
>another litre of activator, for a total of 8 litres.
> >
> > Add to that 2 litres of primer ( I also alodined/chromic acid - treated
>the entire aircraft prior to painting) and I end up with around 10 litres of
>paint, not counting the interior - say 2.64 US gallons.
> >
> > At 8 pounds per gallon - say 20 lbs in weight
> >
> > I found the Imron covered very well and I used an el-cheapo HVLP gun which
>seemed to help reduce overspray
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin in Oz
> >
> >
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