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1. 12:02 AM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Dan Checkoway)
2. 02:10 AM - Oops with flap actuator rod end (Arthur and Christine)
3. 02:55 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (lucky macy)
4. 03:16 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Kevin Horton)
5. 04:08 AM - Re: Graphics (Dana Overall)
6. 04:32 AM - Re: Graphics (John Mcmahon)
7. 04:58 AM - Flying Dynon Updates? (Donald Mei)
8. 05:13 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (N13eer@aol.com)
9. 05:14 AM - Re: Graphics (Dana Overall)
10. 05:31 AM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Alex Peterson)
11. 05:44 AM - Re: Graphics (Charles Rowbotham)
12. 05:49 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (Charles Rowbotham)
13. 06:30 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (Scott Bilinski)
14. 06:38 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (Jeff Orear)
15. 06:47 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
16. 06:56 AM - Dynon Returned (John Furey)
17. 07:14 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Sam Buchanan)
18. 07:33 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
19. 07:52 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (kempthornes)
20. 08:21 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Glenn Brasch)
21. 09:40 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Doug Rozendaal)
22. 09:51 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (van Bladeren, Ron)
23. 09:56 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Canyon)
24. 09:59 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Rob Prior)
25. 10:01 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Jim Daniels)
26. 10:11 AM - Camlocks et al (Rob W M Shipley)
27. 10:17 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Brian Denk)
28. 10:17 AM - am/fm CD player (Crosley, Rich)
29. 10:30 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Canyon)
30. 10:36 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Scott Bilinski)
31. 11:34 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (John Starn)
32. 11:36 AM - Re: am/fm CD player (Jim Norman)
33. 11:47 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Keith Vasey)
34. 12:10 PM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Jeff Dowling)
35. 12:30 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Canyon)
36. 12:34 PM - Re: am/fm CD player (Pat Hatch)
37. 12:48 PM - Re: Camlocks et al (Brian Huffaker)
38. 01:23 PM - Rocket tape... (John Starn)
39. 01:58 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Sam Buchanan)
40. 01:58 PM - Re: Graphics (David.vonLinsowe)
41. 02:07 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Bob Coalson)
42. 02:36 PM - RV10 (chris m)
43. 03:20 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Scott Bilinski)
44. 03:55 PM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (DWENSING@aol.com)
45. 04:11 PM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (DWENSING@aol.com)
46. 04:55 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Tedd McHenry)
47. 05:16 PM - Re: EAA/SAA ... another view >>Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (Moxie)
48. 05:26 PM - Panel Decals ... (David Schaefer)
49. 05:52 PM - RV-10 Panel (Chris W)
50. 06:07 PM - Re: EAA/SAA ... another view >>Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (James E. Clark)
51. 06:07 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (William Reeves)
52. 06:15 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Charlie & Tupper England)
53. 06:16 PM - Re: RV10 (James E. Clark)
54. 06:33 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end ()
55. 06:42 PM - Re: RV10 (Jerry Springer)
56. 06:48 PM - Avionics help (Dana Overall)
57. 06:52 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Paul Besing)
58. 06:57 PM - Re: RV10 (Paul Besing)
59. 07:17 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel (James E. Clark)
60. 07:22 PM - Re: RV10 (James E. Clark)
61. 07:53 PM - Re: RV10 (Cy Galley)
62. 08:21 PM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Bruce Gray)
63. 08:44 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (thomas a. sargent)
64. 08:50 PM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Larygagnon@aol.com)
65. 08:51 PM - RV-10 instruments (thomas a. sargent)
66. 09:04 PM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Michael McGee)
67. 09:42 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 ()
68. 10:32 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Randall Henderson)
69. 10:57 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Dan Checkoway)
70. 11:37 PM - Re: RV-10 instruments (James Jula)
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| Subject: | Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.rvproject.com/20030115.html (inventory and getting started)
http://www.rvproject.com/20030116.html (assembly of shroud, etc.)
http://www.rvproject.com/20030120.html (finished tubing and installation)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
> --> RV-List message posted by: emrath <emrath@comcast.net>
>
> I'm about at this stage and could use some pictures of Van's set up. Can
> anyone put up pictures on Matt's photo page or send to me? I was thinking
> of using the standard fuel valve, drop a line to the floor, run it forward
> to the battery mount, but instead of mounting the battery here (mount
> battery on the forward side of the firewall using the -7 kit), the AFP
> package here, continue the line through the firewall with a bulkhead
> fitting, probably to the left of centerline. Then cover the floor, at
least
> the center between the stiffeners, and the pump in the battery's normal
> location with a cover. Probably cover the rest of the floor and sandwich
> some insulation between this sub floor and the forward belly skin. Any
> thoughts about this? Really would like to see some pictures of the normal
> -7 mounting for this kit.
> Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A flap mounting.
>
>
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| Subject: | Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" <act1@reap.org.nz>
My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on final
back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as full
extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention.
The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage bulkhead
bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in the armrest
and burring of the last thread on the rod-end.
Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut to hold
it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still tight.
Arthur whitehead
RV-8 ZK-KCA
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
The MFDs we use on the RAH-66 Comanche are defaulted to startup in "night
mode" which means the lighting intensity is the lowest and you increase the
brightnness as desired. This is so it doesn't screw up your night vision as
you power your system up just before you go fly or during night should you
have to "reboot" your display you don't dork up your night vision too. It
is considered a "safety of flight" requirement.
Can this unit be programmed to do that?
>From: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
>Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:48:43 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
>I haven't flown it at night, but I've turned it on at night.
>
>The intensity can be set very low. Perfect night viewing.
>
>The buttons to not need to be lit. When any button is pressed to menu
>appears above the
>buttons on the LCD screen.
>
>Bad things so far:
>Electrical connections and pitot, static connections on back are too close
>together. I had to grind
>a bit off of the electrical housing and really think about what nylon
>fitting to use.
>
>The heading currently does not work well. It is a simple software problem.
>The wiring includes
>a 9 pin connector for a lap top and data is uploaded very easily. The
>heading software
>is expected to be improved and released soon.
>
>Feel free to see mine. Its not flying yet but I can remove it from the
>panel
>and you can
>observe the gyro response.
>
>Steve
>Kingston, Ont
>RV7A
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
> >
> > I am very tempted by the Dynon D-10 EFIS, but I have a few questions
> > before decide whether to order one. Dynon hasn't answered my e-mail
> > yet, and I am an impatient type, so I'll fire some of the questions
> > to the list.
> >
> > Night operation - as near as I can tell, there is no lighting for the
> > buttons, so they would only be lit by my cockpit flood lights. Is
> > that correct? Can the intensity of the display be set low enough for
> > night operation? Is the colour balance still OK at low intensity?
> >
> > Does anyone have anything bad to say? I have read several posts from
> > those how are flying, and everyone seems delirously happy. Is this a
> > universal feeling?
> >
> > What is the status of the heading function?
> >
> > If I order a unit, how much of a deposit is required at the time of
> > order, and when is the rest of the money required?
> >
> > I want to see one in person before I order. I live near Ottawa,
> > Ontario. Does anyone have one flying nearer than Green Bay, WI? If
> > so, would you be willing to take me up for a flight if I pay for the
> > gas? I've got some Air Canada frequent flyer points that might not
> > be worth much soon, so I might as well use them on a trip to see a
> > Dynon flying. Does anyone have one near to Ottawa who isn't flying
> > yet? Even a look at one powered up on the ground would be useful to
> > me.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> > Ottawa, Canada
> > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski"
><brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>
>Everyone -
>
>I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this
>list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3
>years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in
>a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training.
>
>My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane
>safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane
>until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to
>work.
>
>Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is
>out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only
>thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172.
>
>Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a
>common question that has been addressed in the archives but I
>couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000
>results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting any
>questions on priming.
>
>Brett Morawski
I don't think anyone can say that you need XXX hours before you can
handle an RV. Some people learn to fly in them, so very
inexperienced pilots can do OK. Other experienced pilots seem to do
poorly in RVs. There is no magic threshold of hours where pilots
suddenly become good pilots. Some pilots are good pilots from the
start. Some pilots never become good pilots.
There are several keys to becoming a good pilot. Some of them are:
Always try to do every manoeuvre or exercise perfectly. Don't be
happy with "good enough". Always challenge yourself to fly more
accurately.
Be willing to learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long
if you can only learn from mistakes you have personally made.
After you get your license, try to get flight experience in as many
different types of aircraft as possible. Every type of aircraft has
something new to teach you.
Get some tailwheel experience before you commit to the tail dragger
configuration.
Flying will probably never be as safe as driving your truck to work.
I know many more car drivers than I do pilots, but I have lost many
more acquaintances to aviation accidents than I have to car
accidents. But the risks can be managed to keep them as low as
possible, and the rewards are great enough to justify the risks.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
John,
I'm sure the other sites recommended are excellent but I'll throw another
option out to consider. Try you local sign maker. I fooled around for
about half an hour with the guy on his computer and came up with this test
gold checkerboard on my first 7 rudder. I am going to end up using a mirror
image with masking material to paint with but their cutting machines and
software are excellent.....if you can find one willing to work with you.
The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements:-)
Here's a shot a half out of messing with program.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
Thanks Dana
John
Dana Overall wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>John,
>
>I'm sure the other sites recommended are excellent but I'll throw another
>option out to consider. Try you local sign maker. I fooled around for
>about half an hour with the guy on his computer and came up with this test
>gold checkerboard on my first 7 rudder. I am going to end up using a mirror
>image with masking material to paint with but their cutting machines and
>software are excellent.....if you can find one willing to work with you.
>The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements:-)
>
>Here's a shot a half out of messing with program.
>
>http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>RV-7 slider/fuselage
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying Dynon Updates? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
I am hoping some of the guys with flying Dynon's who posted a month or so
ago can give us an update.
Do you still love it???
Don Mei
"The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes from
no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders fell
into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that
are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a
remote central authority."
-- Ronald Reagan, 1982
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Brett,
It can be done. I had my wings nearly done before I took my first lesson. I did
have a few more hours in planes than you at that point but no formal instruction.
I took me about three months from first lesson to check ride, about same
as the lead time for the fusalage kit. I then got about 25 hours of tail dragger
time and a good checkout in an RV-6. My total time when I did the first
flight in my -8 was just over 100 hours but most of those hours were with a
goal of flying the first RV flight. I don't think I would have been ready if
I had been doing all my flight strate and level in a 172. If you plan your training
with a goal in mind you can be ready.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 N8EM 40 hours
Everyone -
I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list for a
few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I currently have
a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no
training.
My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? I'm
not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's at least
a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of the
question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll ever be able
to fly is a rented 172.
Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common question
that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any search strings
that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however, proud of myself for
so far not posting any questions on priming.
Brett Morawski
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Man, you sure can tell I was on my first cup of coffee on this one:-)
>>I fooled around for
> >about half an hour with the guy on his computer and<<
I'm sure his wife, and mine, would be a little ticked about me and the
computer guy:-)
>The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements
Airplance.........they may be experimental but what the heck is an
airplance:-)
>Here's a shot a half out of messing with program.
> >
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
A true indicator I was "half out" of coffee!! Maybe another half hour of
wakeup also would be nice.
Sorry, but for heavens sake..................do not archive!! Me and the
computer guy.............
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics
>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:28:29 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>
>Thanks Dana
>John
>
>Dana Overall wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >John,
> >
> >I'm sure the other sites recommended are excellent but I'll throw another
> >option out to consider. Try you local sign maker. I fooled around for
> >about half an hour with the guy on his computer and came up with this
>test
> >gold checkerboard on my first 7 rudder. I am going to end up using a
>mirror
> >image with masking material to paint with but their cutting machines and
> >software are excellent.....if you can find one willing to work with you.
> >The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements:-)
> >
> >Here's a shot a half out of messing with program.
> >
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
> >
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >Richmond, KY
> >RV-7 slider/fuselage
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
See my link below and click on Misc. for some photos of my AFT boost
pump mounting.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 310 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
John,
We used Woodward Signs out of Webster, TX - Phil Fox is the owner and can
be reached at (281) 461-4600.
Pictures of our RV-8A were posted on the RV-List Photo database (in Oct
2002) I believe. Phil worked with us on the layout/design and sizinging. He
sent nerous layouts and his prices were excellent. Out Blue Angles paint
scheme looks great (including the usual "No Step" and pilot names. We now
have over 160 hrs at (175 knots) flying and the decals are not lifted at
all.
In addition, Phil has done many of the war birds including Chuck Yeager's
P-51.
Highly recommended - feel free to use our name and mention the RV-List.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: RV LIST <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Graphics
>Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:59:47 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>
>Has anyone in RV land installed Graphic's on their RV,and if so what Co
>did you use..
>I checked the archives !!
>
> Thanks
> John McMahon (Paint Prep)
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
We have utilized Pro-Seal very successfully.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: j1j2h3@juno.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list-digest@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal
>Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:21:45 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
>Dale
>
>I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials
>being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that
>catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal?
>
>Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
>Tennessee)
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>On 06/04/03, DWENSING@aol.com wrote:
>(snip)
>You don't say what temperatures the application sees or if it needs
>chemical
>resistance (like gas or oil) or UV resistance...... but you could try a
>structural epoxy such as PC-7 sold in hardware stores or Gorilla Glue.
>Info
>available at www.gorillaglue.com or 1-800-966-3458.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Dont forget the moisture in the air!!
At 09:21 PM 6/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
>Dale
>
>I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials
>being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that
>catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal?
>
>Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
>Tennessee)
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>On 06/04/03, DWENSING@aol.com wrote:
>(snip)
>You don't say what temperatures the application sees or if it needs
>chemical
>resistance (like gas or oil) or UV resistance...... but you could try a
>structural epoxy such as PC-7 sold in hardware stores or Gorilla Glue.
>Info
>available at www.gorillaglue.com or 1-800-966-3458.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Jim:
I just glued some aluminum strips on the inside of my empenage tips to
reinforce the fiberglass using Plumbers Goop. Found it in my local hardware
store.
Takes 24 hrs to set completely, and there is no way I am going to get those
strips off now if I wanted to. Does a great job. Dries flexible too.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
fuselage (waiting of finish kit)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: <j1j2h3@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal
> --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
> Dale
>
> I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials
> being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that
> catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal?
>
> Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
> Tennessee)
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> On 06/04/03, DWENSING@aol.com wrote:
> (snip)
> You don't say what temperatures the application sees or if it needs
> chemical
> resistance (like gas or oil) or UV resistance...... but you could try a
> structural epoxy such as PC-7 sold in hardware stores or Gorilla Glue.
> Info
> available at www.gorillaglue.com or 1-800-966-3458.
> Dale Ensing
>
>
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version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Pro-seal (otherwise known as 1435 to big iron mechanics) is used as a
structural adhesive in big iron. Sandable, paintable, removeable, but not
light.
Gorrila glue (big iron mechanics call it gorilla snot) can and is used on
metal surfaces in big birds, but as a moisture barrier, and contact
adhesive, but not a structural adhesive. Works fine on metal surfaces.
Easier to work with, but not considered a structural adhesive.
Mike Stewart
>
>I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials
>being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that
>catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal?
>
>Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to
>Tennessee)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I did return my Dynon after about 10 hours of flying with it, not because I did
not like it but because I did not need it now and my understanding was that they
would not release it until they had everything ready to go.
The heading is not ready yet and the AOA is not either and that is the one thing
I really wanted to try. Also I could not get either of my laptops to communicate
with the unit so since I had to send it back any way I asked for a refund
with the expectation of buying another one when they have everything ready.
It is a great unit and I think it will be a tremendous value. I flew 3 hours of
IMC with two approaches last week and really missed the Dynon. Once you use it
you won't want to give it up. Just understand that it is still evolving. The
people are great to deal with.
John Furey
RV6A
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Arthur and Christine wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" <act1@reap.org.nz>
>
> My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on final
back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as full
extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention.
>
> The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage bulkhead
bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in the
armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end.
>
> Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut to
hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still tight.
>
> Arthur whitehead
> RV-8 ZK-KCA
Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious
that elevated pulse rate! ;-)
A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that
sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod
to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out
of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod
can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the
opposed bearing.
This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see
cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting
an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship,
I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the
wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end
bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the
rod.
Sam Buchanan
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tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_IN_WHITELIST
version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Correction to previous post. "Gorilla Snot" used in heavy iron is not the
"gorilla glue" used at http://www.gorillaglue.com/
I should have looked first at the link. Sorry.
I have absolutely no idea what the substance behind the link is used for.
"Gorilla snot", as I was referring to in the previous post, in heavy iron
A&P work, is a 3M product, dark green goey, contact cement. Really good
stuff. If you need to bond 2 items together of virtually any material, this
stuff works. 3M Scotch Grip 1357 High Performance Contact Adhesive. Again
this in NOT a structural Adhesive.
I was amazed at what came up when I did a google search for gorilla snot.
Turns out it is a common phrase used for all kinds of things from making
sand cling together, to glueing guitars. But all are different products.
Mike Stewart
>
>I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials
>being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that
>catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal?
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 01:11 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski"
><brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>
>My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane
>safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I
>know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
It depends on the condition of your truck and how safely you drive it and
where you live and work!
More than if you had an 8A
I've heard it said that it takes at least 500 hours in any plane before the
pilot is experienced.
It seems reasonable to say that flying is never as risk free as
driving. On the other hand, some say that the most risk is driving to and
from the airport.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
I would agree with what most have said. As an old CFI in both fixed wing
and rotor craft, I witnessed several students over the years start but not
finish flight training. The reasons are endless. And who knows, you may
have a hidden medical issue and not get past the medical certificate. It
would make sense to me for you to at least go out and bite the bullet and
get a Private, and go from there, before you spend a whole lot of money on
something you are unsure about. Just my 2 cents. Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane
> >safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I
> >know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Flying is as risky as you make it. Eliminating running out of gas, buzzing
etc, poor maintenance, and bad weather, would eliminate most airplane
accidents. All of these are pretty directly related to the pilot, including
poor maintenance. That leaves midairs and legitimate critical component
failures, Lightning strikes and shark attacks are more common than those.
As for learning to fly, and flying an RV, it ain't rocket science, I do it.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
RV-4
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| Subject: | Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's
talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too
have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as
the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then
locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole
through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody
tried this?
Ron.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Arthur and Christine wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" <act1@reap.org.nz>
>
> My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on
final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as
full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention.
>
> The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage
bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in
the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end.
>
> Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut
to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still
tight.
>
> Arthur whitehead
> RV-8 ZK-KCA
Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious
that elevated pulse rate! ;-)
A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that
sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod
to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out
of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod
can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the
opposed bearing.
This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see
cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting
an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship,
I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the
wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end
bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the
rod.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>That leaves midairs and legitimate critical component
>failures, Lightning strikes and shark attacks are more common than
>those.
---
Wow! You're flying with floats? I bet that shark attack would be a
really startling event! :-)
Steve
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Brett Morawski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
> My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely?
> I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know
it's
> at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
I can only speak from my own experience. I'm a 200 hour pilot, with
about 50 hours in tricycle gear aircraft (just enough to get my license)
and the rest in tailwheel. Cessna 140, Cessna 305 (L-19), Cessna 190,
and a wooden, tandem-seated, rear-piloted, low-wing homebuilt.
I recently did my first startup to shutdown flight in an RV-6, from the
left seat. It was only my fourth ride in an RV, and my third when I had
a chance at the controls, but it was my first takeoff and landing as
PIC. No problems, apart from a skip on my second landing. These planes
really are a dream to fly.
I hope that by the time I finish my -7, that I have enough tailwheel
time (and possibly even RV time) logged that the insurance companies are
happy with me. While I may not be the smoothest pilot for the first few
hours, I feel quite confident that I could hop in any RV today and fly
it without causing any damage. 8-)
> Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out
> of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing
> I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172.
I started and got my license in a Cessna 152 Aerobat, tricycle geared.
I found the transition to tailwheel to be next to trivial, but your
mileage may vary. I'm told not everyone makes the switch so easily.
I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a
tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot. I've also
heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider pilot's
license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an
even better pilot. But I can't say from experience if they're right or
not...
-RB4
rv7 "at" b4.ca
RV-7 Empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels <jwdanie@comcast.net>
On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Sam Buchanan wrote:
> A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that
> sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control
> rod
> to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out
> of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod
> can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the
> opposed bearing.
This is not possible on the motorized flap actuator, however. The
actuator has roughly 6 inches of travel and the bearing has maybe 1.5
inches of thread. The only security is the jam nut being tight.
Jim
Albuquerque, NM
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
was wondering if anyone on the list has had any long term experience with
Camlocs for their cowling installation. Several local folks have used them
with good success but I was curious as to any long term issues. I used
Camloc 2700's in my RV-4 installation (which is about to fly) installed as
per Skybolt Fasteners instructions.
Could anyone also comment on the different kinds of this type of fastener.
Aircraft $pruce lists Dzus, Camloc and SouthCo fasteners in addition to the Skybolt
fasteners I've heard mentioned. I would be most appreciative of builders
input on the long term success of these as well as the ease of installation,
cost and the part numbers used. How far apart were these spaced and was all of
the piano hinge replaced with these?
Anyone consider these a waste of time and money?
As always your help and advice very much appreciated.
Fly safe
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
<snippage of good stuff>
>
>As for learning to fly, and flying an RV, it ain't rocket science, I do
>it.
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
>RV-4
Which brings to mind how cool it would be to be able to go to most any FBO
in the country and rent an RV. OK, so maybe the pre-RV9 models would be a
bit much for the average joe spam can driver, but to start out training in
an RV....talk about revitalizing GA! To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and
beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a pulse NOT
want to learn to fly?
Just my silly tangential diatribe. Do NOT archive.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
To the guys with automotive am/fm CD players. Does the radio work and is it
practical in a 200 mph airplane? Where did you put the antenna, wing tip?
Rich Crosley
Palmdale, CA
RV-8 fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Brian Denk wrote:
>To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and
>beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a
>pulse NOT
>want to learn to fly?
---
Probably pretty realistic, IMHO. I would not be surprised a bit if
Van's strategery included a certified version.
Steve
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| Subject: | Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
This issue is the exact reason I Loctite all rod ends AND the lock nut. It
does make a difference........at least in my mind.
At 09:47 AM 6/12/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
>
>I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's
>talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too
>have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as
>the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then
>locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole
>through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody
>tried this?
>Ron.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
>Arthur and Christine wrote:
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" <act1@reap.org.nz>
>>
>> My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on
>final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as
>full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention.
>>
>> The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage
>bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in
>the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end.
>>
>> Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut
>to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still
>tight.
>>
>> Arthur whitehead
>> RV-8 ZK-KCA
>
>
>Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious
>that elevated pulse rate! ;-)
>
>A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that
>sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod
>to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out
>of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod
>can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the
>opposed bearing.
>
>This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see
>cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting
>an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship,
>I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the
>wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end
>bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the
>rod.
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Check out Van's "Nigerian Air Force", 60 RV-6As used as the basic training
aircraft, check it out under the "World of RV" at Van's home site. KABONG
(GBA) Do not archive. 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Canyon" <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
> --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
> Brian Denk wrote:
> >To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and
> >beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a
> >pulse NOT
> >want to learn to fly?
> ---
> Probably pretty realistic, IMHO. I would not be surprised a bit if
> Van's strategery included a certified version.
>
> Steve
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
My FM radio works great. You can get great reception--better than you can on
the ground, so you can listen to a station further away than you can in the
car on the grount. AM doesn't work well, however. When I travel with my
kids, they are in charge of the FM stereo... they love it (and so do I). We
actually use the FM stereo MORE than we do CDs or MP3s.
My antenna is attached to the lower right side of the firewall pointing
straight forward towards the prop. It is one of those 12 inch black rubber
jobs--got it at Radio Shack. The bottom of my cowl has the
aluminized-fiberglass heat shield on the entire inside bottom (including
underneath the stereo antenna) and the stereo works great. Not an issue at
all!
You will enjoy music... put it in!
jim
Tampa
Razzmatazz 6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Crosley, Rich
Subject: RV-List: am/fm CD player
--> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich"
<RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
To the guys with automotive am/fm CD players. Does the radio work and is it
practical in a 200 mph airplane? Where did you put the antenna, wing tip?
Rich Crosley
Palmdale, CA
RV-8 fuselage
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| Subject: | No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
My guess is that Van is too smart to put himself through the misery of a
certification program. As a distributor for Mooney, Diamond and the Lancair
Columbia, I have first hand knowledge of inviting the FAA to dictate your
operation. Few organizations have enough time or money to be successful in
that effort. It nearly killed Lance Neibauer's design.
The only reason I can see for Van to certify his design(s) is to satisfy a
massive ego. Having never seen proof of a Massive ego in Van, I don't think
we'll see a certified / production RV.
Keith Vasey
RV-8
Seattle
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Canyon
Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Brian Denk wrote:
>To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and
>beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a
>pulse NOT
>want to learn to fly?
---
Probably pretty realistic, IMHO. I would not be surprised a bit if
Van's strategery included a certified version.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I was thinking of doing the same thing but started to worry about cg. I
have the heavy engine and prop up there and thought maybe I shouldnt put 25
lbs up front. Anyway, I think it would work fine, and probably be easier
than bending it around the battery. It also should look nice. If you do it
this way, I would consieder running all of the plumbing like the 7, i.e.
brake lines. It makes a much cleaner install.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A almost
Chicago/Louisville
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| Subject: | No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Keith Vasey wrote:
>The only reason I can see for Van to certify his design(s) is to
>satisfy a
>massive ego. Having never seen proof of a Massive ego in Van, I don't
>think
>we'll see a certified / production RV.
---
Could well be. But, I looked really close at the RV9A and decided there
had to be a strategic reason other than that expressed. The RV7A is
not significantly harder to fly than the RV9A, so why split the market
at all?
I have thought from the time I first saw the RV9A that it would end up
certified and marketed by an arm's length third party.
It's just hard for me to justify the extra development and tooling
expense to believe its slightly gentler nature would be sufficient if
it were not viewed with an eye toward the flight training market
specifically.
But hey, I made another mistake once. :-)
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: am/fm CD player |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Rich, I glassed in an FM antenna (copper tape) in a V-shape along the bottom
and side of the -6 cowl. Works well. If your radio has a "seek" function,
this helps. Typically I can fly about 30 minutes on one station. Also, I
downloaded the radio station guide off the internet. Makes the flight more
enjoyable to have something else to play with, but you have to be a news or
sports junkie, otherwise CDs or MP3s are the way to go.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
Subject: RV-List: am/fm CD player
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich"
<RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
>
> To the guys with automotive am/fm CD players. Does the radio work and is
it
> practical in a 200 mph airplane? Where did you put the antenna, wing tip?
>
> Rich Crosley
> Palmdale, CA
> RV-8 fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Camlocks et al |
REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE
version=2.54
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Huffaker <bifft@xmission.com>
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Rob W M Shipley wrote:
> Could anyone also comment on the different kinds of this type of fastener.
> Aircraft $pruce lists Dzus, Camloc and SouthCo fasteners in addition to the Skybolt
fasteners I've heard mentioned. I would be most appreciative of builders
input on the long term success of these as well as the ease of installation,
cost and the part numbers used. How far apart were these spaced and was all
of the piano hinge replaced with these?
> Anyone consider these a waste of time and money?
>
> As always your help and advice very much appreciated.
>
Don't have any on the RV (yet), but do have Dzus fastners on the
Starduster. Up to about 500 hours since the engine&cowling were changed,
so I think that's how long they've been on there. Need to open the
cowling to check the oil, so it is opened every flight.
We have lost a few (4 out of 20) where the locking washer wore out, and
then the fastner came out, but only on the ground. (When closed, they are
held in by the spring). Open and close easily if you have a screwdriver
available, so we keep one in the plane. Spaced at about three inches,
seem to hold just fine.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 Installing consoles.
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Got my copy of the HRII Rocket tape today with the t-shirt order and the
newest Rocket booklet/parts list/catalog. Great air to air shots. KABONG
8*) Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
After rereading the original post, I think you are correct, Ron. I
recall now the actuator rod on the motor and the concerns I had about
the bearing coming loose. Since I am presently doing the condition
inspection, you reminded of another thing to check. ;-)
Guess for this particular application we have to put our faith in the
little locknut and LockTite!
Thanks for the clarification.
Sam Buchanan
=======================
"van Bladeren, Ron" wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
>
> I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's
> talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too
> have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as
> the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then
> locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole
> through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody
> tried this?
> Ron.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Arthur and Christine wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" <act1@reap.org.nz>
> >
> > My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on
> final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as
> full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention.
> >
> > The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage
> bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in
> the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end.
> >
> > Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut
> to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still
> tight.
> >
> > Arthur whitehead
> > RV-8 ZK-KCA
>
> Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious
> that elevated pulse rate! ;-)
>
> A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that
> sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod
> to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out
> of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod
> can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the
> opposed bearing.
>
> This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see
> cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting
> an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship,
> I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the
> wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end
> bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the
> rod.
>
> Sam Buchanan
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
I'll second that! Dennis has bent over backwards to help with some of
my projects.
I'm not sure if he can do something as long as the fuse though. Give
him a call and tell him I sent you.
Dave
RV-6
The "Silver Turtle" :-)
Time: 09:49:18 PM PST US
From: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics
--> RV-List message posted by: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Cash,
Try Kirby's Kustom Graphics.
www.angelfire.com/oh2/kirbysgraphics/index.html
He does a lot of Giant Scale model aerobatic planes and I believe he has
worked with a few "real" planes. He also has about every aviation
related
logo known to man. The man behind the machine is Dennis Kirby, great
guy.
I'm getting ready to order stuff for my 35% Extra model.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: <JusCash@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> I would also like info on graphics provider. I'm having trouble
finding a
> company willing to work with me on a design.
> Cash Copeland
> RV6 Solid White in need of color
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Coalson" <bcoalson@verizon.net>
Brett; GOOD LUCK!!! You are going to need a LOT of it!! I am currently
building a 8A and learning to fly in a 172. I have completed the empennage
and am about to finish the left wing, the right one should go faster as I
have done all the prep on the ribs etc. for it. I had anticipated finishing
it within three years also, currently I have been working on it for two+
years, and I am retired!! What is that old saying about the best made plans
of mice and men??? You will need pretty good skills to fly the 8, you
might want to talk to someone already flying or go to Osh this summer and
talk to a lot of people already flying and try to get a demo ride from Vans.
I really do wish you luck but the best I can figure from everyone the
AVERAGE construction is just a little more than 3 yrs. Bob Coalson
Southwest VA. do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Morawski" <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
Subject: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski"
<brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>
> Everyone -
>
> I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list
for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I
currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of)
in an SNJ and no training.
>
> My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely?
I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's
at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
>
> Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of
the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll
ever be able to fly is a rented 172.
>
> Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common
question that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any
search strings that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however,
proud of myself for so far not posting any questions on priming.
>
> Brett Morawski
> Toledo, OH
> RV-8 emp
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
RV10 internal shots on Vans site!!
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Will finish my slow build 8a in 1 year and 7 months (done next month). This
includes paint (sprayed myself) but no gear fairings. This was done by
working on it 30 hrs a week and a MANDATORY helper for riveting. Oh, yes I
have a full time job and married (still). If your married you need to tell
him/her up front how much time this is going to take and hopefully get
him/her to help. I just cannot emphasis the value of a good helper all the
way through the build process.
As far as flying goes. I have 115 hours in 152's, 172's, PA-28 and a Tiger.
I just went up and did my transition training with Mike Seager. Flying was
a non issue. My only problem was getting use to that SENSITIVE rudder. All
my problems were on the ground. I had a problem with the 20 some pounds of
preload on the nose wheel at slow taxi speed. I would need to turn right.
Touch the break/rudder and nothing......Little harder this time, I then
hear a pop which is the nose wheel unloading and now turning to much to the
right. This condition gets worse the slower you go. My training (yours may
differ) mainly consisted of touch and go's and after flying twice a day for
2 days Mike was convinced I would not kill myself.
At 05:26 PM 6/12/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Coalson" <bcoalson@verizon.net>
>
>Brett; GOOD LUCK!!! You are going to need a LOT of it!! I am currently
>building a 8A and learning to fly in a 172. I have completed the empennage
>and am about to finish the left wing, the right one should go faster as I
>have done all the prep on the ribs etc. for it. I had anticipated finishing
>it within three years also, currently I have been working on it for two+
>years, and I am retired!! What is that old saying about the best made plans
>of mice and men??? You will need pretty good skills to fly the 8, you
>might want to talk to someone already flying or go to Osh this summer and
>talk to a lot of people already flying and try to get a demo ride from Vans.
>I really do wish you luck but the best I can figure from everyone the
>AVERAGE construction is just a little more than 3 yrs. Bob Coalson
>Southwest VA. do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brett Morawski" <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski"
><brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>>
>> Everyone -
>>
>> I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list
>for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I
>currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of)
>in an SNJ and no training.
>>
>> My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely?
>I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's
>at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
>>
>> Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of
>the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll
>ever be able to fly is a rented 172.
>>
>> Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common
>question that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any
>search strings that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however,
>proud of myself for so far not posting any questions on priming.
>>
>> Brett Morawski
>> Toledo, OH
>> RV-8 emp
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 6/11/03 11:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j1j2h3@juno.com
writes:
> I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials
> being fastened is wood
Hello Jim,
Yes, Gorilla glue can be used on metal. However, there is one requirement. It
is a urethane and the parts must be clamped in place until the glue sets. It
out gases causing the parts to separate if not clamped.
Good luck with your project. I am finally in the finishing stages of a 6A.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 6/12/03 10:34:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mstewart@qa.butler.com writes:
> I was amazed at what came up when I did a google search for gorilla snot
Hey Mike, was there anything relating to compost airplane builders?
Just kidding !!!
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Might as well chime in...
> I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a
> tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot.
That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to encourge
(not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases, in my
opinion.
> I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider pilot's
> license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an even
> better pilot.
That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets in the
air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable edge in
both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but I
suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and less on
regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the
beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline into
the approach and landing phase.
For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an RV,
regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has reasonable
aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force has
experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street, with
pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but they're
certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student.
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty |
Hawk
--> RV-List message posted by: "Moxie" <rv9a@wideopenwest.com>
>>>Glenn, I went to the SAA website and it looks like, for some time now,
Paul
>>>P has had in mind what you are talking about and is in fact trying to do
>>>something about it.
James,
What is the SAA web address?
Best regards,
Phil Johnston
RV9A ( Working 0n the Wings ) 78-)
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| Subject: | Panel Decals ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
What are folks doing for decals or stenciling for the panel switches? I
don't want to use something like a labeler; I would like it as permanent
as possible.
Regards,
David Schaefer
RV6-A
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
I was wondering if those more familiar than I, could tell me what some
of the instruments on the RV-10 panel are. Here is a photo of it.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/inside/309.jpg
First what is that thing below the turn coordinator. In the center it
looks like the ACS engine monitor and then I think it is the autopilot
control. Below that I am guessing it is a pretty generic CD player. I
don't know what any of the stuff on the right side of the panel is. And
if anyone knows, what is some of the smaller stuff around on the left
side, like above hour meter, and to the left of the what looks like a
flap extension indicator or maybe a trim position indicator.?
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty |
Hawk
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
http://www.sportaviation.org
James
<<SNIP>>
>
>
> James,
>
> What is the SAA web address?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Phil Johnston
> RV9A ( Working 0n the Wings ) 78-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
Brett,
Go for it! I'm in the same boat, er plane, as you. Well, maybe not
exactly the same plane. I only have 43 hours and decided to build an
RV-7A. I have the tail done and the slow build wings / tanks. The
fuselage kit is due to arrive on the 18th.
I had the opportunity to receive a ride in an RV-6 at a fly-in in NY
last fall and was amazed at how light the controls feel compared to a
Cessna 172. I definitly need a great deal more training but I'm doing
exactly what you are contemplating.
Dan Reeves
N516DR Reserved
Waiting for the next big boxes
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Morawski <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
Subject: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski"
> <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>
> Everyone -
>
> I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following
> this list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in
> 3 years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1
> in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training.
>
> My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane
> safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane
> until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive
> to work.
>
> Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build
> is out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the
> only thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172.
>
> Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a
> common question that has been addressed in the archives but I
> couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000
> results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting
> any questions on priming.
>
> Brett Morawski
> Toledo, OH
> RV-8 emp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
A friend of mine is pretty handy with electronics, cars, tools etc. He
has a friend that's a CFI. The CFI once told him that he should build an
airplane, & if he did, the CFI would teach him to fly in it. So, he
built an RV-4. Put rudder pedals in the back (no brakes back there, of
course). They started with the CFI in front, the builder/student in
back. When he could land it from the back seat with only rudders for
ground control, they swapped places. He's now a very good pilot who
subsequently built & flies an RV-6, & I just bought the -4. (Very nice
airplane, too.)
Having said that, if you plan on building a taildragger, you might want
to at least get some time in one with a CFI before you commit.
Charlie
RV-7 tail & wing kit, flying RV-4 for stress relief while building (I
feel better already).
N13eer@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>
>Brett,
>It can be done. I had my wings nearly done before I took my first lesson. I
did have a few more hours in planes than you at that point but no formal instruction.
I took me about three months from first lesson to check ride, about same
as the lead time for the fusalage kit. I then got about 25 hours of tail
dragger time and a good checkout in an RV-6. My total time when I did the first
flight in my -8 was just over 100 hours but most of those hours were with a
goal of flying the first RV flight. I don't think I would have been ready if
I had been doing all my flight strate and level in a 172. If you plan your training
with a goal in mind you can be ready.
>
>Alan Kritzman
>RV-8 N8EM 40 hours
>
>Everyone -
>
>I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list for
a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I currently have
a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and
no training.
>
>My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? I'm
not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's at least
a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work.
>
>Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of the
question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll ever be
able to fly is a rented 172.
>
>Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common question
that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any search strings
that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however, proud of myself for
so far not posting any questions on priming.
>
>Brett Morawski
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Just wondering ...
Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already
(too late this evening to call and ask)???
I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin and I would assume
they are not "required crew".
Maybe, if they have not "flown the time off" yet, they got a special
dispensation from the FAA.
Not complaining ... just wondering out loud here.
Anyone else make a note of this??
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of chris m
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV10
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
>
> RV10 internal shots on Vans site!!
>
> Chris and Susie
> VH-MUM
>
>
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| Subject: | Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> It might be possible to
> drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a
> cotter pin. Anybody tried this?
> Ron.
Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came
apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became apparent.
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
James E. Clark wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> Just wondering ...
>
> Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already
> (too late this evening to call and ask)???
Actually they had to fly 50 hours and that airplane has been flying
a lot so I could believe the hours were flown off.
Jerry
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I'd like to talk to anyone, off list if nessesary, who has installed a
Digiflight 100 altitude hold with GPSS steering or a Digiflight 200 altitude
hold with GPSS steering and selectable vertical speed. I am coupling either
of these two autopilots to a newly acquired Garmin 430. For IFR flying I do
like the ability, whether nessessary or not, to have the autopilot follow
the flight plan output of the 430. I could get carried away talking, so
emailing off the RVlist may be better.
I was just told by the manufacturer, all Digiflight APs will be round like
the Digitrack and fit in a 2.25 hole well before the end of the year.
Next, same deal for anyone who is flying the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 engine
monitoring system. Off list may be better and we/I can post consolidated
thoughts after the discussion.
I would really, really appreciate talking with some experienced flyers here
as I want to get all my avionics bought by the end of Oshkosh. Sooner, if
possible.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Or, fly a helicopter first! I now have about 45 hours of Bell 206 time, and
it was like learning to fly all over again. If you can fly a helo, you can
truly fly anything, in my opinion.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> Might as well chime in...
>
> > I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a
> > tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot.
>
> That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to
encourge
> (not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases, in
my
> opinion.
>
> > I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider
pilot's
> > license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an
even
> > better pilot.
>
> That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets in
the
> air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable edge
in
> both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but I
> suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and
less on
> regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the
> beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline
into
> the approach and landing phase.
>
> For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an RV,
> regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has reasonable
> aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force has
> experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street,
with
> pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but
they're
> certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student.
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC
> -6 wings
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
While we are at it, those clouds in the bottom picture seem pretty close for
VFR flight in Class E or G airspace!
do not archive!
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> Just wondering ...
>
> Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane
already
> (too late this evening to call and ask)???
>
> I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin and I would
assume
> they are not "required crew".
>
> Maybe, if they have not "flown the time off" yet, they got a special
> dispensation from the FAA.
>
> Not complaining ... just wondering out loud here.
>
> Anyone else make a note of this??
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of chris m
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: RV10
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
> >
> > RV10 internal shots on Vans site!!
> >
> > Chris and Susie
> > VH-MUM
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
I have NO direct info from Van's but here is what I would suspect it is.
James
<<SNIP>>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> I was wondering if those more familiar than I, could tell me what some
> of the instruments on the RV-10 panel are. Here is a photo of it.
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/inside/309.jpg
>
> First what is that thing below the turn coordinator. In the center it
> looks like the ACS engine monitor and then I think it is the autopilot
Yes, then ...
See : http://flightperformance.com/
> control. Below that I am guessing it is a pretty generic CD player. I
See: http://www.ps-engineering.com/inflight%20entertainment.shtml
> don't know what any of the stuff on the right side of the panel is. And
See: http://www.upsat.com/gen_home.shtml
> if anyone knows, what is some of the smaller stuff around on the left
> side, like above hour meter, and to the left of the what looks like a
> flap extension indicator or maybe a trim position indicator.?
ELT Controls looks like.
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Thanks Jerry. That's great to hear.
Even though I would like for them to be giving more updates, it is obviously
far better that they spend the time working out the kinks and getting it
ready for OSH and beyond.
With (maybe) 50 hours flown, a second person now in the cockpit, no obvious
spin chute and the Pegasus "Performance" Monitor + the ACS 2002, I suspect
we are in for a deluge of information/real data as to how this plane
performs by the time OSH comes around (if not before).
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:39 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>
> James E. Clark wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
> <james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> > Just wondering ...
> >
> > Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this
> plane already
> > (too late this evening to call and ask)???
>
>
> Actually they had to fly 50 hours and that airplane has been flying
> a lot so I could believe the hours were flown off.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Very hard to a real grasp of distances in the air. Especially if they use a
telephoto as that compresses depth of field.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> While we are at it, those clouds in the bottom picture seem pretty close
for
> VFR flight in Class E or G airspace!
>
> do not archive!
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
<james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> > Just wondering ...
> >
> > Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane
> already
> > (too late this evening to call and ask)???
> >
> > I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin and I would
> assume
> > they are not "required crew".
> >
> > Maybe, if they have not "flown the time off" yet, they got a special
> > dispensation from the FAA.
> >
> > Not complaining ... just wondering out loud here.
> >
> > Anyone else make a note of this??
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of chris m
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
> > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV-List: RV10
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
> > >
> > > RV10 internal shots on Vans site!!
> > >
> > > Chris and Susie
> > > VH-MUM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Panel Decals ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Try www.engravers.net
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Schaefer
Subject: RV-List: Panel Decals ...
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
What are folks doing for decals or stenciling for the panel switches? I
don't want to use something like a labeler; I would like it as permanent
as possible.
Regards,
David Schaefer
RV6-A
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
This same thing happened to me as I was running my flaps up and down
after finally getting everything installed. I called vans and was told
by Bruce that it had happened to him in flight! The solution they are
recommending now is to use very small drill and to drill a diagonal hole
thru the edge of the end of the actuator and to then run a safety wire
thru that and to secure the wire to the bolt going thru the rod end
somehow. This keeps the end of the actuator from rotating. I will use
the stop nut AND the safety wire.
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
racker@rmci.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
>
>
>
>>It might be possible to
>>drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a
>>cotter pin. Anybody tried this?
>>Ron.
>>
>>
>
>Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came
>apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became apparent.
>
>Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Decals ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
I second the post for http://www. engravers.net. Wayne has done the panels
for my Kitfox and RV6 and I'm very happy with the results.
Larry Gagnon
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| Subject: | RV-10 instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I just looked at the RV-10 pictures posted today on Van's website. The instrument
panel has a multi-function display of some sort and an engine monitor, neither
of which I recognize. Looks expensive; can some one tell me what products
those are?
Thanks,
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Decals ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 19:27 2003-06-12 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
>
>
>What are folks doing for decals or stenciling for the panel switches? I
>don't want to use something like a labeler; I would like it as permanent
>as possible.
>
>Regards,
>
>David Schaefer
>RV6-A
I just redid my RV-4 from the label maker look.
For cheap and pretty decent looking panel labels I used Avery transparent
mailing labels for ink jet printers, Avery package number 18660. Got them
at Office Max for $9.95. Warning, the ink will smear if you hit it with
most cleaners.
I then used Microsoft Excel and with some trial and adjustment picked out a
font and font size and it came out looking real good (for a rush job). You
have to trim a lot with scissors to fit everything in but you can make it
look pretty good. I'll take a picture and put it on a web site tomorrow.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I'd agree with that except one point, your are learning in a turbine. They
are incredibly easy to fly compared to a piston helicopter, specifically the
Robinson series. I learned in a Hughes 269B and later spent 1800 hours in a
MD500. The 500 was much easier.
Point is well taken though. Got to fly in a Pitts one time and the owner
couldn't believe I could fly it smoothly the first time. He attributed this
to the helicopter time.
Hang in there Paul, fly safe!!!
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> Or, fly a helicopter first! I now have about 45 hours of Bell 206 time,
and
> it was like learning to fly all over again. If you can fly a helo, you
can
> truly fly anything, in my opinion.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> >
> > Might as well chime in...
> >
> > > I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a
> > > tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot.
> >
> > That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to
> encourge
> > (not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases,
in
> my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider
> pilot's
> > > license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an
> even
> > > better pilot.
> >
> > That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets
in
> the
> > air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable
edge
> in
> > both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but
I
> > suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and
> less on
> > regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the
> > beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline
> into
> > the approach and landing phase.
> >
> > For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an
RV,
> > regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has
reasonable
> > aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force
has
> > experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street,
> with
> > pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but
> they're
> > certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Tedd McHenry
> > Surrey, BC
> > -6 wings
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
The Dynon looks like a great unit and I expect to replace my vacum gyros
with one eventually. The one negative I see is that it requires pitot input
for attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only
youir airspeed but also your attitude. However the other advantages mostly
outweigh that one negative for me, and as long as I have appropriate
separate backup instruments its not a show-stopper. Still I hope that
someday they can maybe work out a workable backup algorithm for attitude
that cuts in when the pitot goes away.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
Message 69
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Yeah, well...if anybody has a trick for drilling that diagonal safety wire
hole, *please* let me know!
Otherwise I'm resigned to using loctite...
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> This same thing happened to me as I was running my flaps up and down
> after finally getting everything installed. I called vans and was told
> by Bruce that it had happened to him in flight! The solution they are
> recommending now is to use very small drill and to drill a diagonal hole
> thru the edge of the end of the actuator and to then run a safety wire
> thru that and to secure the wire to the bolt going thru the rod end
> somehow. This keeps the end of the actuator from rotating. I will use
> the stop nut AND the safety wire.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent
> RV-6A
>
>
> racker@rmci.net wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >>It might be possible to
> >>drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a
> >>cotter pin. Anybody tried this?
> >>Ron.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came
> >apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became
apparent.
> >
> >Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" <jmjula@attbi.com>
I gathered most of this from Vans site in bits an pieces:
The radio stack contains a UPSAT MX20 (large display), GX60 (GPS/COMM), and
SL60(GPS/COMM).
http://www.upsat.com/gen_home.shtml
The center stack top is an ACS2002 engine monitor, TruTrak Digitrak 200
autopilot, and PS Engineering PCD7100 CD player/Intercom.
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com
http://www.ps-engineering.com
The instrument below the turn coordinator is a Pegasus Flight Data Recorder.
http://flightperformance.com/
To sum up this panel, expensive...
Enjoy,
James
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of thomas a.
sargent
Subject: RV-List: RV-10 instruments
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I just looked at the RV-10 pictures posted today on Van's website. The
instrument panel has a multi-function display of some sort and an engine
monitor, neither of which I recognize. Looks expensive; can some one tell
me what products those are?
Thanks,
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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