---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/12/03: 70 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:02 AM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Dan Checkoway) 2. 02:10 AM - Oops with flap actuator rod end (Arthur and Christine) 3. 02:55 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (lucky macy) 4. 03:16 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Kevin Horton) 5. 04:08 AM - Re: Graphics (Dana Overall) 6. 04:32 AM - Re: Graphics (John Mcmahon) 7. 04:58 AM - Flying Dynon Updates? (Donald Mei) 8. 05:13 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (N13eer@aol.com) 9. 05:14 AM - Re: Graphics (Dana Overall) 10. 05:31 AM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Alex Peterson) 11. 05:44 AM - Re: Graphics (Charles Rowbotham) 12. 05:49 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (Charles Rowbotham) 13. 06:30 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (Scott Bilinski) 14. 06:38 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (Jeff Orear) 15. 06:47 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 16. 06:56 AM - Dynon Returned (John Furey) 17. 07:14 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Sam Buchanan) 18. 07:33 AM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 19. 07:52 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (kempthornes) 20. 08:21 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Glenn Brasch) 21. 09:40 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Doug Rozendaal) 22. 09:51 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (van Bladeren, Ron) 23. 09:56 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Canyon) 24. 09:59 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Rob Prior) 25. 10:01 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Jim Daniels) 26. 10:11 AM - Camlocks et al (Rob W M Shipley) 27. 10:17 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Brian Denk) 28. 10:17 AM - am/fm CD player (Crosley, Rich) 29. 10:30 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Canyon) 30. 10:36 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Scott Bilinski) 31. 11:34 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (John Starn) 32. 11:36 AM - Re: am/fm CD player (Jim Norman) 33. 11:47 AM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Keith Vasey) 34. 12:10 PM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Jeff Dowling) 35. 12:30 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Canyon) 36. 12:34 PM - Re: am/fm CD player (Pat Hatch) 37. 12:48 PM - Re: Camlocks et al (Brian Huffaker) 38. 01:23 PM - Rocket tape... (John Starn) 39. 01:58 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Sam Buchanan) 40. 01:58 PM - Re: Graphics (David.vonLinsowe) 41. 02:07 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Bob Coalson) 42. 02:36 PM - RV10 (chris m) 43. 03:20 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Scott Bilinski) 44. 03:55 PM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (DWENSING@aol.com) 45. 04:11 PM - Re: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal (DWENSING@aol.com) 46. 04:55 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Tedd McHenry) 47. 05:16 PM - Re: EAA/SAA ... another view >>Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (Moxie) 48. 05:26 PM - Panel Decals ... (David Schaefer) 49. 05:52 PM - RV-10 Panel (Chris W) 50. 06:07 PM - Re: EAA/SAA ... another view >>Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (James E. Clark) 51. 06:07 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (William Reeves) 52. 06:15 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Charlie & Tupper England) 53. 06:16 PM - Re: RV10 (James E. Clark) 54. 06:33 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end () 55. 06:42 PM - Re: RV10 (Jerry Springer) 56. 06:48 PM - Avionics help (Dana Overall) 57. 06:52 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Paul Besing) 58. 06:57 PM - Re: RV10 (Paul Besing) 59. 07:17 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel (James E. Clark) 60. 07:22 PM - Re: RV10 (James E. Clark) 61. 07:53 PM - Re: RV10 (Cy Galley) 62. 08:21 PM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Bruce Gray) 63. 08:44 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (thomas a. sargent) 64. 08:50 PM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Larygagnon@aol.com) 65. 08:51 PM - RV-10 instruments (thomas a. sargent) 66. 09:04 PM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Michael McGee) 67. 09:42 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 () 68. 10:32 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Randall Henderson) 69. 10:57 PM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Dan Checkoway) 70. 11:37 PM - Re: RV-10 instruments (James Jula) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:25 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/20030115.html (inventory and getting started) http://www.rvproject.com/20030116.html (assembly of shroud, etc.) http://www.rvproject.com/20030120.html (finished tubing and installation) )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "emrath" Subject: Re: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 > --> RV-List message posted by: emrath > > I'm about at this stage and could use some pictures of Van's set up. Can > anyone put up pictures on Matt's photo page or send to me? I was thinking > of using the standard fuel valve, drop a line to the floor, run it forward > to the battery mount, but instead of mounting the battery here (mount > battery on the forward side of the firewall using the -7 kit), the AFP > package here, continue the line through the firewall with a bulkhead > fitting, probably to the left of centerline. Then cover the floor, at least > the center between the stiffeners, and the pump in the battery's normal > location with a cover. Probably cover the rest of the floor and sandwich > some insulation between this sub floor and the forward belly skin. Any > thoughts about this? Really would like to see some pictures of the normal > -7 mounting for this kit. > Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A flap mounting. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:49 AM PST US From: "Arthur and Christine" Subject: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention. The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end. Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still tight. Arthur whitehead RV-8 ZK-KCA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:41 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" The MFDs we use on the RAH-66 Comanche are defaulted to startup in "night mode" which means the lighting intensity is the lowest and you increase the brightnness as desired. This is so it doesn't screw up your night vision as you power your system up just before you go fly or during night should you have to "reboot" your display you don't dork up your night vision too. It is considered a "safety of flight" requirement. Can this unit be programmed to do that? >From: "Steve J Hurlbut" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:48:43 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" > >I haven't flown it at night, but I've turned it on at night. > >The intensity can be set very low. Perfect night viewing. > >The buttons to not need to be lit. When any button is pressed to menu >appears above the >buttons on the LCD screen. > >Bad things so far: >Electrical connections and pitot, static connections on back are too close >together. I had to grind >a bit off of the electrical housing and really think about what nylon >fitting to use. > >The heading currently does not work well. It is a simple software problem. >The wiring includes >a 9 pin connector for a lap top and data is uploaded very easily. The >heading software >is expected to be improved and released soon. > >Feel free to see mine. Its not flying yet but I can remove it from the >panel >and you can >observe the gyro response. > >Steve >Kingston, Ont >RV7A > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Horton" >To: ; >Subject: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > > > I am very tempted by the Dynon D-10 EFIS, but I have a few questions > > before decide whether to order one. Dynon hasn't answered my e-mail > > yet, and I am an impatient type, so I'll fire some of the questions > > to the list. > > > > Night operation - as near as I can tell, there is no lighting for the > > buttons, so they would only be lit by my cockpit flood lights. Is > > that correct? Can the intensity of the display be set low enough for > > night operation? Is the colour balance still OK at low intensity? > > > > Does anyone have anything bad to say? I have read several posts from > > those how are flying, and everyone seems delirously happy. Is this a > > universal feeling? > > > > What is the status of the heading function? > > > > If I order a unit, how much of a deposit is required at the time of > > order, and when is the rest of the money required? > > > > I want to see one in person before I order. I live near Ottawa, > > Ontario. Does anyone have one flying nearer than Green Bay, WI? If > > so, would you be willing to take me up for a flight if I pay for the > > gas? I've got some Air Canada frequent flyer points that might not > > be worth much soon, so I might as well use them on a trip to see a > > Dynon flying. Does anyone have one near to Ottawa who isn't flying > > yet? Even a look at one powered up on the ground would be useful to > > me. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) > > Ottawa, Canada > > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:35 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" > > >Everyone - > >I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this >list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 >years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in >a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training. > >My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane >safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane >until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to >work. > >Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is >out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only >thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172. > >Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a >common question that has been addressed in the archives but I >couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000 >results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting any >questions on priming. > >Brett Morawski I don't think anyone can say that you need XXX hours before you can handle an RV. Some people learn to fly in them, so very inexperienced pilots can do OK. Other experienced pilots seem to do poorly in RVs. There is no magic threshold of hours where pilots suddenly become good pilots. Some pilots are good pilots from the start. Some pilots never become good pilots. There are several keys to becoming a good pilot. Some of them are: Always try to do every manoeuvre or exercise perfectly. Don't be happy with "good enough". Always challenge yourself to fly more accurately. Be willing to learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long if you can only learn from mistakes you have personally made. After you get your license, try to get flight experience in as many different types of aircraft as possible. Every type of aircraft has something new to teach you. Get some tailwheel experience before you commit to the tail dragger configuration. Flying will probably never be as safe as driving your truck to work. I know many more car drivers than I do pilots, but I have lost many more acquaintances to aviation accidents than I have to car accidents. But the risks can be managed to keep them as low as possible, and the rewards are great enough to justify the risks. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:12 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" John, I'm sure the other sites recommended are excellent but I'll throw another option out to consider. Try you local sign maker. I fooled around for about half an hour with the guy on his computer and came up with this test gold checkerboard on my first 7 rudder. I am going to end up using a mirror image with masking material to paint with but their cutting machines and software are excellent.....if you can find one willing to work with you. The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements:-) Here's a shot a half out of messing with program. http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:00 AM PST US From: John Mcmahon Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics --> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon Thanks Dana John Dana Overall wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > >John, > >I'm sure the other sites recommended are excellent but I'll throw another >option out to consider. Try you local sign maker. I fooled around for >about half an hour with the guy on his computer and came up with this test >gold checkerboard on my first 7 rudder. I am going to end up using a mirror >image with masking material to paint with but their cutting machines and >software are excellent.....if you can find one willing to work with you. >The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements:-) > >Here's a shot a half out of messing with program. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >RV-7 slider/fuselage >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:16 AM PST US From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: Flying Dynon Updates? --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" I am hoping some of the guys with flying Dynon's who posted a month or so ago can give us an update. Do you still love it??? Don Mei "The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes from no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders fell into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a remote central authority." -- Ronald Reagan, 1982 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:51 AM PST US From: N13eer@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com Brett, It can be done. I had my wings nearly done before I took my first lesson. I did have a few more hours in planes than you at that point but no formal instruction. I took me about three months from first lesson to check ride, about same as the lead time for the fusalage kit. I then got about 25 hours of tail dragger time and a good checkout in an RV-6. My total time when I did the first flight in my -8 was just over 100 hours but most of those hours were with a goal of flying the first RV flight. I don't think I would have been ready if I had been doing all my flight strate and level in a 172. If you plan your training with a goal in mind you can be ready. Alan Kritzman RV-8 N8EM 40 hours Everyone - I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training. My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common question that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting any questions on priming. Brett Morawski ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:35 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Man, you sure can tell I was on my first cup of coffee on this one:-) >>I fooled around for > >about half an hour with the guy on his computer and<< I'm sure his wife, and mine, would be a little ticked about me and the computer guy:-) >The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements Airplance.........they may be experimental but what the heck is an airplance:-) >Here's a shot a half out of messing with program. > > > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg A true indicator I was "half out" of coffee!! Maybe another half hour of wakeup also would be nice. Sorry, but for heavens sake..................do not archive!! Me and the computer guy............. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: John Mcmahon >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:28:29 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon > >Thanks Dana >John > >Dana Overall wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > >John, > > > >I'm sure the other sites recommended are excellent but I'll throw another > >option out to consider. Try you local sign maker. I fooled around for > >about half an hour with the guy on his computer and came up with this >test > >gold checkerboard on my first 7 rudder. I am going to end up using a >mirror > >image with masking material to paint with but their cutting machines and > >software are excellent.....if you can find one willing to work with you. > >The only "problem" they may use your airplance in their advertisements:-) > > > >Here's a shot a half out of messing with program. > > > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > > > > > >Dana Overall > >Richmond, KY > >RV-7 slider/fuselage > >http://rvflying.tripod.com > >do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:51 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" See my link below and click on Misc. for some photos of my AFT boost pump mounting. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 310 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:07 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" John, We used Woodward Signs out of Webster, TX - Phil Fox is the owner and can be reached at (281) 461-4600. Pictures of our RV-8A were posted on the RV-List Photo database (in Oct 2002) I believe. Phil worked with us on the layout/design and sizinging. He sent nerous layouts and his prices were excellent. Out Blue Angles paint scheme looks great (including the usual "No Step" and pilot names. We now have over 160 hrs at (175 knots) flying and the decals are not lifted at all. In addition, Phil has done many of the war birds including Chuck Yeager's P-51. Highly recommended - feel free to use our name and mention the RV-List. Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: John Mcmahon >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: RV LIST >Subject: RV-List: Graphics >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:59:47 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon > >Has anyone in RV land installed Graphic's on their RV,and if so what Co >did you use.. >I checked the archives !! > > Thanks > John McMahon (Paint Prep) > > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:14 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" We have utilized Pro-Seal very successfully. Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: j1j2h3@juno.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list-digest@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:21:45 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com > >Dale > >I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials >being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that >catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal? > >Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to >Tennessee) > >Do not archive > > >On 06/04/03, DWENSING@aol.com wrote: >(snip) >You don't say what temperatures the application sees or if it needs >chemical >resistance (like gas or oil) or UV resistance...... but you could try a >structural epoxy such as PC-7 sold in hardware stores or Gorilla Glue. >Info >available at www.gorillaglue.com or 1-800-966-3458. >Dale Ensing > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:35 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Dont forget the moisture in the air!! At 09:21 PM 6/11/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com > >Dale > >I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials >being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that >catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal? > >Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to >Tennessee) > >Do not archive > > >On 06/04/03, DWENSING@aol.com wrote: >(snip) >You don't say what temperatures the application sees or if it needs >chemical >resistance (like gas or oil) or UV resistance...... but you could try a >structural epoxy such as PC-7 sold in hardware stores or Gorilla Glue. >Info >available at www.gorillaglue.com or 1-800-966-3458. >Dale Ensing > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:02 AM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Jim: I just glued some aluminum strips on the inside of my empenage tips to reinforce the fiberglass using Plumbers Goop. Found it in my local hardware store. Takes 24 hrs to set completely, and there is no way I am going to get those strips off now if I wanted to. Does a great job. Dries flexible too. Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A fuselage (waiting of finish kit) Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal > --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com > > Dale > > I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials > being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that > catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal? > > Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to > Tennessee) > > Do not archive > > > On 06/04/03, DWENSING@aol.com wrote: > (snip) > You don't say what temperatures the application sees or if it needs > chemical > resistance (like gas or oil) or UV resistance...... but you could try a > structural epoxy such as PC-7 sold in hardware stores or Gorilla Glue. > Info > available at www.gorillaglue.com or 1-800-966-3458. > Dale Ensing > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:27 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Pro-seal (otherwise known as 1435 to big iron mechanics) is used as a structural adhesive in big iron. Sandable, paintable, removeable, but not light. Gorrila glue (big iron mechanics call it gorilla snot) can and is used on metal surfaces in big birds, but as a moisture barrier, and contact adhesive, but not a structural adhesive. Works fine on metal surfaces. Easier to work with, but not considered a structural adhesive. Mike Stewart > >I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials >being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that >catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal? > >Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (on hold pending move to >Tennessee) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:54 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RV-List: Dynon Returned --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" I did return my Dynon after about 10 hours of flying with it, not because I did not like it but because I did not need it now and my understanding was that they would not release it until they had everything ready to go. The heading is not ready yet and the AOA is not either and that is the one thing I really wanted to try. Also I could not get either of my laptops to communicate with the unit so since I had to send it back any way I asked for a refund with the expectation of buying another one when they have everything ready. It is a great unit and I think it will be a tremendous value. I flew 3 hours of IMC with two approaches last week and really missed the Dynon. Once you use it you won't want to give it up. Just understand that it is still evolving. The people are great to deal with. John Furey RV6A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:15 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Arthur and Christine wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" > > My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention. > > The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end. > > Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still tight. > > Arthur whitehead > RV-8 ZK-KCA Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious that elevated pulse rate! ;-) A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the opposed bearing. This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship, I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the rod. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:27 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Correction to previous post. "Gorilla Snot" used in heavy iron is not the "gorilla glue" used at http://www.gorillaglue.com/ I should have looked first at the link. Sorry. I have absolutely no idea what the substance behind the link is used for. "Gorilla snot", as I was referring to in the previous post, in heavy iron A&P work, is a 3M product, dark green goey, contact cement. Really good stuff. If you need to bond 2 items together of virtually any material, this stuff works. 3M Scotch Grip 1357 High Performance Contact Adhesive. Again this in NOT a structural Adhesive. I was amazed at what came up when I did a google search for gorilla snot. Turns out it is a common phrase used for all kinds of things from making sand cling together, to glueing guitars. But all are different products. Mike Stewart > >I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials >being fastened is wood, since it is the moisture in the wood that >catalyzes it. Am I mistaken? Have you used it for metal to metal? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:54 AM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes At 01:11 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" > > >My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane >safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I >know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. It depends on the condition of your truck and how safely you drive it and where you live and work! More than if you had an 8A I've heard it said that it takes at least 500 hours in any plane before the pilot is experienced. It seems reasonable to say that flying is never as risk free as driving. On the other hand, some say that the most risk is driving to and from the airport. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:24 AM PST US From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" I would agree with what most have said. As an old CFI in both fixed wing and rotor craft, I witnessed several students over the years start but not finish flight training. The reasons are endless. And who knows, you may have a hidden medical issue and not get past the medical certificate. It would make sense to me for you to at least go out and bite the bullet and get a Private, and go from there, before you spend a whole lot of money on something you are unsure about. Just my 2 cents. Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE > >My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane > >safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I > >know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:52 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Flying is as risky as you make it. Eliminating running out of gas, buzzing etc, poor maintenance, and bad weather, would eliminate most airplane accidents. All of these are pretty directly related to the pilot, including poor maintenance. That leaves midairs and legitimate critical component failures, Lightning strikes and shark attacks are more common than those. As for learning to fly, and flying an RV, it ain't rocket science, I do it. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal RV-4 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:24 AM PST US From: "van Bladeren, Ron" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody tried this? Ron. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net] Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Arthur and Christine wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" > > My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention. > > The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end. > > Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still tight. > > Arthur whitehead > RV-8 ZK-KCA Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious that elevated pulse rate! ;-) A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the opposed bearing. This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship, I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the rod. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:08 AM PST US From: Canyon Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon Doug Rozendaal wrote: >That leaves midairs and legitimate critical component >failures, Lightning strikes and shark attacks are more common than >those. --- Wow! You're flying with floats? I bet that shark attack would be a really startling event! :-) Steve Do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:56 AM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Brett Morawski wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" > My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? > I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's > at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. I can only speak from my own experience. I'm a 200 hour pilot, with about 50 hours in tricycle gear aircraft (just enough to get my license) and the rest in tailwheel. Cessna 140, Cessna 305 (L-19), Cessna 190, and a wooden, tandem-seated, rear-piloted, low-wing homebuilt. I recently did my first startup to shutdown flight in an RV-6, from the left seat. It was only my fourth ride in an RV, and my third when I had a chance at the controls, but it was my first takeoff and landing as PIC. No problems, apart from a skip on my second landing. These planes really are a dream to fly. I hope that by the time I finish my -7, that I have enough tailwheel time (and possibly even RV time) logged that the insurance companies are happy with me. While I may not be the smoothest pilot for the first few hours, I feel quite confident that I could hop in any RV today and fly it without causing any damage. 8-) > Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out > of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing > I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172. I started and got my license in a Cessna 152 Aerobat, tricycle geared. I found the transition to tailwheel to be next to trivial, but your mileage may vary. I'm told not everyone makes the switch so easily. I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot. I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider pilot's license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an even better pilot. But I can't say from experience if they're right or not... -RB4 rv7 "at" b4.ca RV-7 Empennage ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:04 AM PST US From: Jim Daniels Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Sam Buchanan wrote: > A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that > sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control > rod > to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out > of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod > can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the > opposed bearing. This is not possible on the motorized flap actuator, however. The actuator has roughly 6 inches of travel and the bearing has maybe 1.5 inches of thread. The only security is the jam nut being tight. Jim Albuquerque, NM ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:12 AM PST US From: "Rob W M Shipley" Subject: RV-List: Camlocks et al --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" was wondering if anyone on the list has had any long term experience with Camlocs for their cowling installation. Several local folks have used them with good success but I was curious as to any long term issues. I used Camloc 2700's in my RV-4 installation (which is about to fly) installed as per Skybolt Fasteners instructions. Could anyone also comment on the different kinds of this type of fastener. Aircraft $pruce lists Dzus, Camloc and SouthCo fasteners in addition to the Skybolt fasteners I've heard mentioned. I would be most appreciative of builders input on the long term success of these as well as the ease of installation, cost and the part numbers used. How far apart were these spaced and was all of the piano hinge replaced with these? Anyone consider these a waste of time and money? As always your help and advice very much appreciated. Fly safe Rob Rob W M Shipley RV9A N919RV Fuselage. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:39 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >As for learning to fly, and flying an RV, it ain't rocket science, I do >it. > >Tailwinds, >Doug Rozendaal >RV-4 Which brings to mind how cool it would be to be able to go to most any FBO in the country and rent an RV. OK, so maybe the pre-RV9 models would be a bit much for the average joe spam can driver, but to start out training in an RV....talk about revitalizing GA! To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a pulse NOT want to learn to fly? Just my silly tangential diatribe. Do NOT archive. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:39 AM PST US From: "Crosley, Rich" Subject: RV-List: am/fm CD player --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" To the guys with automotive am/fm CD players. Does the radio work and is it practical in a 200 mph airplane? Where did you put the antenna, wing tip? Rich Crosley Palmdale, CA RV-8 fuselage ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:36 AM PST US From: Canyon Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon Brian Denk wrote: >To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and >beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a >pulse NOT >want to learn to fly? --- Probably pretty realistic, IMHO. I would not be surprised a bit if Van's strategery included a certified version. Steve ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:02 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RE: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski This issue is the exact reason I Loctite all rod ends AND the lock nut. It does make a difference........at least in my mind. At 09:47 AM 6/12/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" > >I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's >talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too >have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as >the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then >locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole >through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody >tried this? >Ron. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net] >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > >Arthur and Christine wrote: >> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" >> >> My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on >final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as >full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention. >> >> The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage >bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in >the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end. >> >> Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut >to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still >tight. >> >> Arthur whitehead >> RV-8 ZK-KCA > > >Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious >that elevated pulse rate! ;-) > >A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that >sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod >to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out >of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod >can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the >opposed bearing. > >This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see >cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting >an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship, >I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the >wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end >bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the >rod. > >Sam Buchanan > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:04 AM PST US From: "John Starn" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" Check out Van's "Nigerian Air Force", 60 RV-6As used as the basic training aircraft, check it out under the "World of RV" at Van's home site. KABONG (GBA) Do not archive. 8*) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Canyon" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon > > Brian Denk wrote: > >To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and > >beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a > >pulse NOT > >want to learn to fly? > --- > Probably pretty realistic, IMHO. I would not be surprised a bit if > Van's strategery included a certified version. > > Steve > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:25 AM PST US From: "Jim Norman" Subject: RE: RV-List: am/fm CD player --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" My FM radio works great. You can get great reception--better than you can on the ground, so you can listen to a station further away than you can in the car on the grount. AM doesn't work well, however. When I travel with my kids, they are in charge of the FM stereo... they love it (and so do I). We actually use the FM stereo MORE than we do CDs or MP3s. My antenna is attached to the lower right side of the firewall pointing straight forward towards the prop. It is one of those 12 inch black rubber jobs--got it at Radio Shack. The bottom of my cowl has the aluminized-fiberglass heat shield on the entire inside bottom (including underneath the stereo antenna) and the stereo works great. Not an issue at all! You will enjoy music... put it in! jim Tampa Razzmatazz 6A -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Crosley, Rich Subject: RV-List: am/fm CD player --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" To the guys with automotive am/fm CD players. Does the radio work and is it practical in a 200 mph airplane? Where did you put the antenna, wing tip? Rich Crosley Palmdale, CA RV-8 fuselage ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:11 AM PST US From: "Keith Vasey" Subject: RE: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" My guess is that Van is too smart to put himself through the misery of a certification program. As a distributor for Mooney, Diamond and the Lancair Columbia, I have first hand knowledge of inviting the FAA to dictate your operation. Few organizations have enough time or money to be successful in that effort. It nearly killed Lance Neibauer's design. The only reason I can see for Van to certify his design(s) is to satisfy a massive ego. Having never seen proof of a Massive ego in Van, I don't think we'll see a certified / production RV. Keith Vasey RV-8 Seattle Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Canyon Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon Brian Denk wrote: >To see rows of RV-9/A's, lined up and >beckoning to new pilot dreamers....how could anyone registering a >pulse NOT >want to learn to fly? --- Probably pretty realistic, IMHO. I would not be surprised a bit if Van's strategery included a certified version. Steve ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:27 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I was thinking of doing the same thing but started to worry about cg. I have the heavy engine and prop up there and thought maybe I shouldnt put 25 lbs up front. Anyway, I think it would work fine, and probably be easier than bending it around the battery. It also should look nice. If you do it this way, I would consieder running all of the plumbing like the 7, i.e. brake lines. It makes a much cleaner install. Jeff Dowling RV-6A almost Chicago/Louisville ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:26 PM PST US From: Canyon Subject: RE: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon Keith Vasey wrote: >The only reason I can see for Van to certify his design(s) is to >satisfy a >massive ego. Having never seen proof of a Massive ego in Van, I don't >think >we'll see a certified / production RV. --- Could well be. But, I looked really close at the RV9A and decided there had to be a strategic reason other than that expressed. The RV7A is not significantly harder to fly than the RV9A, so why split the market at all? I have thought from the time I first saw the RV9A that it would end up certified and marketed by an arm's length third party. It's just hard for me to justify the extra development and tooling expense to believe its slightly gentler nature would be sufficient if it were not viewed with an eye toward the flight training market specifically. But hey, I made another mistake once. :-) Steve ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:02 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: am/fm CD player --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Rich, I glassed in an FM antenna (copper tape) in a V-shape along the bottom and side of the -6 cowl. Works well. If your radio has a "seek" function, this helps. Typically I can fly about 30 minutes on one station. Also, I downloaded the radio station guide off the internet. Makes the flight more enjoyable to have something else to play with, but you have to be a news or sports junkie, otherwise CDs or MP3s are the way to go. Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crosley, Rich" Subject: RV-List: am/fm CD player > --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" > > To the guys with automotive am/fm CD players. Does the radio work and is it > practical in a 200 mph airplane? Where did you put the antenna, wing tip? > > Rich Crosley > Palmdale, CA > RV-8 fuselage > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:18 PM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV-List: Camlocks et al REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.54 --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Huffaker On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Rob W M Shipley wrote: > Could anyone also comment on the different kinds of this type of fastener. > Aircraft $pruce lists Dzus, Camloc and SouthCo fasteners in addition to the Skybolt fasteners I've heard mentioned. I would be most appreciative of builders input on the long term success of these as well as the ease of installation, cost and the part numbers used. How far apart were these spaced and was all of the piano hinge replaced with these? > Anyone consider these a waste of time and money? > > As always your help and advice very much appreciated. > Don't have any on the RV (yet), but do have Dzus fastners on the Starduster. Up to about 500 hours since the engine&cowling were changed, so I think that's how long they've been on there. Need to open the cowling to check the oil, so it is opened every flight. We have lost a few (4 out of 20) where the locking washer wore out, and then the fastner came out, but only on the ground. (When closed, they are held in by the spring). Open and close easily if you have a screwdriver available, so we keep one in the plane. Spaced at about three inches, seem to hold just fine. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Installing consoles. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:52 PM PST US From: "John Starn" Subject: RV-List: Rocket tape... --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" Got my copy of the HRII Rocket tape today with the t-shirt order and the newest Rocket booklet/parts list/catalog. Great air to air shots. KABONG 8*) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:09 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan After rereading the original post, I think you are correct, Ron. I recall now the actuator rod on the motor and the concerns I had about the bearing coming loose. Since I am presently doing the condition inspection, you reminded of another thing to check. ;-) Guess for this particular application we have to put our faith in the little locknut and LockTite! Thanks for the clarification. Sam Buchanan ======================= "van Bladeren, Ron" wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" > > I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's > talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too > have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as > the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then > locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole > through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody > tried this? > Ron. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net] > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end > > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > Arthur and Christine wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" > > > > My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on > final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as > full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention. > > > > The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage > bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in > the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end. > > > > Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut > to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still > tight. > > > > Arthur whitehead > > RV-8 ZK-KCA > > Really glad to hear this incident didn't result in anything more serious > that elevated pulse rate! ;-) > > A very good construction practice to observe is to make sure that > sufficient threads are engaged on both rod end bearings of a control rod > to ensure that it is physically impossible for a bearing to unwind out > of the rod. This means that even if the lock nuts come loose, the rod > can't rotate enough to detach one bearing before it bottoms on the > opposed bearing. > > This practice has been advocated for a very long time but I still see > cases where the builder missed it. In the course of recently conducting > an EAA Tech inspection on a Pitts S-1 that has outstanding workmanship, > I found this problem in the aileron pushrods that are buried in the > wing. The builder fixed the problem by adding spacers on the rod end > bearings so they can't unscrew themselves enough to separate from the > rod. > > Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics From: "David.vonLinsowe" --> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" I'll second that! Dennis has bent over backwards to help with some of my projects. I'm not sure if he can do something as long as the fuse though. Give him a call and tell him I sent you. Dave RV-6 The "Silver Turtle" :-) Time: 09:49:18 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics --> RV-List message posted by: Cash, Try Kirby's Kustom Graphics. www.angelfire.com/oh2/kirbysgraphics/index.html He does a lot of Giant Scale model aerobatic planes and I believe he has worked with a few "real" planes. He also has about every aviation related logo known to man. The man behind the machine is Dennis Kirby, great guy. I'm getting ready to order stuff for my 35% Extra model. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Graphics > --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com > > I would also like info on graphics provider. I'm having trouble finding a > company willing to work with me on a design. > Cash Copeland > RV6 Solid White in need of color > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:13 PM PST US From: "Bob Coalson" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Coalson" Brett; GOOD LUCK!!! You are going to need a LOT of it!! I am currently building a 8A and learning to fly in a 172. I have completed the empennage and am about to finish the left wing, the right one should go faster as I have done all the prep on the ribs etc. for it. I had anticipated finishing it within three years also, currently I have been working on it for two+ years, and I am retired!! What is that old saying about the best made plans of mice and men??? You will need pretty good skills to fly the 8, you might want to talk to someone already flying or go to Osh this summer and talk to a lot of people already flying and try to get a demo ride from Vans. I really do wish you luck but the best I can figure from everyone the AVERAGE construction is just a little more than 3 yrs. Bob Coalson Southwest VA. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Morawski" Subject: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" > > Everyone - > > I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training. > > My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. > > Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172. > > Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common question that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting any questions on priming. > > Brett Morawski > Toledo, OH > RV-8 emp > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:15 PM PST US From: chris m Subject: RV-List: RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: chris m RV10 internal shots on Vans site!! Chris and Susie VH-MUM ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:03 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Will finish my slow build 8a in 1 year and 7 months (done next month). This includes paint (sprayed myself) but no gear fairings. This was done by working on it 30 hrs a week and a MANDATORY helper for riveting. Oh, yes I have a full time job and married (still). If your married you need to tell him/her up front how much time this is going to take and hopefully get him/her to help. I just cannot emphasis the value of a good helper all the way through the build process. As far as flying goes. I have 115 hours in 152's, 172's, PA-28 and a Tiger. I just went up and did my transition training with Mike Seager. Flying was a non issue. My only problem was getting use to that SENSITIVE rudder. All my problems were on the ground. I had a problem with the 20 some pounds of preload on the nose wheel at slow taxi speed. I would need to turn right. Touch the break/rudder and nothing......Little harder this time, I then hear a pop which is the nose wheel unloading and now turning to much to the right. This condition gets worse the slower you go. My training (yours may differ) mainly consisted of touch and go's and after flying twice a day for 2 days Mike was convinced I would not kill myself. At 05:26 PM 6/12/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Coalson" > >Brett; GOOD LUCK!!! You are going to need a LOT of it!! I am currently >building a 8A and learning to fly in a 172. I have completed the empennage >and am about to finish the left wing, the right one should go faster as I >have done all the prep on the ribs etc. for it. I had anticipated finishing >it within three years also, currently I have been working on it for two+ >years, and I am retired!! What is that old saying about the best made plans >of mice and men??? You will need pretty good skills to fly the 8, you >might want to talk to someone already flying or go to Osh this summer and >talk to a lot of people already flying and try to get a demo ride from Vans. >I really do wish you luck but the best I can figure from everyone the >AVERAGE construction is just a little more than 3 yrs. Bob Coalson >Southwest VA. do not archive >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brett Morawski" >To: >Subject: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" > >> >> Everyone - >> >> I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list >for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I >currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of) >in an SNJ and no training. >> >> My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? >I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's >at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. >> >> Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of >the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll >ever be able to fly is a rented 172. >> >> Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common >question that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any >search strings that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however, >proud of myself for so far not posting any questions on priming. >> >> Brett Morawski >> Toledo, OH >> RV-8 emp >> >> > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:00 PM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 6/11/03 11:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j1j2h3@juno.com writes: > I understand Gorilla Glue can only be used when one of the materials > being fastened is wood Hello Jim, Yes, Gorilla glue can be used on metal. However, there is one requirement. It is a urethane and the parts must be clamped in place until the glue sets. It out gases causing the parts to separate if not clamped. Good luck with your project. I am finally in the finishing stages of a 6A. Dale ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:02 PM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Adhesive for non-structural metal-to-metal --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 6/12/03 10:34:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mstewart@qa.butler.com writes: > I was amazed at what came up when I did a google search for gorilla snot Hey Mike, was there anything relating to compost airplane builders? Just kidding !!! Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:57 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry Might as well chime in... > I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a > tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot. That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to encourge (not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases, in my opinion. > I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider pilot's > license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an even > better pilot. That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets in the air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable edge in both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but I suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and less on regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline into the approach and landing phase. For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an RV, regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has reasonable aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force has experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street, with pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but they're certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student. --- Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC -6 wings DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:06 PM PST US From: "Moxie" Subject: RE: EAA/SAA ... another view >>RE: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk --> RV-List message posted by: "Moxie" >>>Glenn, I went to the SAA website and it looks like, for some time now, Paul >>>P has had in mind what you are talking about and is in fact trying to do >>>something about it. James, What is the SAA web address? Best regards, Phil Johnston RV9A ( Working 0n the Wings ) 78-) ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:23 PM PST US From: "David Schaefer" Subject: RV-List: Panel Decals ... --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" What are folks doing for decals or stenciling for the panel switches? I don't want to use something like a labeler; I would like it as permanent as possible. Regards, David Schaefer RV6-A ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:21 PM PST US From: Chris W Subject: RV-List: RV-10 Panel --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W I was wondering if those more familiar than I, could tell me what some of the instruments on the RV-10 panel are. Here is a photo of it. http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/inside/309.jpg First what is that thing below the turn coordinator. In the center it looks like the ACS engine monitor and then I think it is the autopilot control. Below that I am guessing it is a pretty generic CD player. I don't know what any of the stuff on the right side of the panel is. And if anyone knows, what is some of the smaller stuff around on the left side, like above hour meter, and to the left of the what looks like a flap extension indicator or maybe a trim position indicator.? -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:05 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: EAA/SAA ... another view >>RE: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" http://www.sportaviation.org James <> > > > James, > > What is the SAA web address? > > Best regards, > > Phil Johnston > RV9A ( Working 0n the Wings ) 78-) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:05 PM PST US From: William Reeves Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: William Reeves Brett, Go for it! I'm in the same boat, er plane, as you. Well, maybe not exactly the same plane. I only have 43 hours and decided to build an RV-7A. I have the tail done and the slow build wings / tanks. The fuselage kit is due to arrive on the 18th. I had the opportunity to receive a ride in an RV-6 at a fly-in in NY last fall and was amazed at how light the controls feel compared to a Cessna 172. I definitly need a great deal more training but I'm doing exactly what you are contemplating. Dan Reeves N516DR Reserved Waiting for the next big boxes Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Morawski Subject: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" > > > Everyone - > > I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following > this list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in > 3 years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 > in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training. > > My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane > safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane > until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive > to work. > > Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build > is out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the > only thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172. > > Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a > common question that has been addressed in the archives but I > couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000 > results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting > any questions on priming. > > Brett Morawski > Toledo, OH > RV-8 emp > > > _- > ======================================================================_ -= - The RV-List Email Forum - > _- > ======================================================================_ -= !! NEWish !! > _- > ======================================================================_ -= List Related Information > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:25 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England A friend of mine is pretty handy with electronics, cars, tools etc. He has a friend that's a CFI. The CFI once told him that he should build an airplane, & if he did, the CFI would teach him to fly in it. So, he built an RV-4. Put rudder pedals in the back (no brakes back there, of course). They started with the CFI in front, the builder/student in back. When he could land it from the back seat with only rudders for ground control, they swapped places. He's now a very good pilot who subsequently built & flies an RV-6, & I just bought the -4. (Very nice airplane, too.) Having said that, if you plan on building a taildragger, you might want to at least get some time in one with a CFI before you commit. Charlie RV-7 tail & wing kit, flying RV-4 for stress relief while building (I feel better already). N13eer@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com > >Brett, >It can be done. I had my wings nearly done before I took my first lesson. I did have a few more hours in planes than you at that point but no formal instruction. I took me about three months from first lesson to check ride, about same as the lead time for the fusalage kit. I then got about 25 hours of tail dragger time and a good checkout in an RV-6. My total time when I did the first flight in my -8 was just over 100 hours but most of those hours were with a goal of flying the first RV flight. I don't think I would have been ready if I had been doing all my flight strate and level in a 172. If you plan your training with a goal in mind you can be ready. > >Alan Kritzman >RV-8 N8EM 40 hours > >Everyone - > >I've just started building an RV-8 tail and have been following this list for a few months. My plan is to have the RV complete in 3 years. I currently have a grand total of 2 hours flying time -1 in a 172, 1 (sort of) in an SNJ and no training. > >My question is - how much experience is required to fly this plane safely? I'm not much of a risk-taker and will not fly this plane until I know it's at least a safe as getting in my truck to drive to work. > >Getting my license and a bunch of hours before starting to build is out of the question because I have no interest in flying if the only thing I'll ever be able to fly is a rented 172. > >Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry if this if a common question that has been addressed in the archives but I couldn't find any search strings that resulted in less than 1000 results. I am, however, proud of myself for so far not posting any questions on priming. > >Brett Morawski > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:42 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Just wondering ... Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already (too late this evening to call and ask)??? I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin and I would assume they are not "required crew". Maybe, if they have not "flown the time off" yet, they got a special dispensation from the FAA. Not complaining ... just wondering out loud here. Anyone else make a note of this?? James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of chris m > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: RV10 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m > > RV10 internal shots on Vans site!! > > Chris and Susie > VH-MUM > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end From: --> RV-List message posted by: > It might be possible to > drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a > cotter pin. Anybody tried this? > Ron. Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became apparent. Rob Acker (RV-6 flying) do not archive ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:59 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer James E. Clark wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > Just wondering ... > > Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already > (too late this evening to call and ask)??? Actually they had to fly 50 hours and that airplane has been flying a lot so I could believe the hours were flown off. Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:49 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Avionics help --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I'd like to talk to anyone, off list if nessesary, who has installed a Digiflight 100 altitude hold with GPSS steering or a Digiflight 200 altitude hold with GPSS steering and selectable vertical speed. I am coupling either of these two autopilots to a newly acquired Garmin 430. For IFR flying I do like the ability, whether nessessary or not, to have the autopilot follow the flight plan output of the 430. I could get carried away talking, so emailing off the RVlist may be better. I was just told by the manufacturer, all Digiflight APs will be round like the Digitrack and fit in a 2.25 hole well before the end of the year. Next, same deal for anyone who is flying the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 engine monitoring system. Off list may be better and we/I can post consolidated thoughts after the discussion. I would really, really appreciate talking with some experienced flyers here as I want to get all my avionics bought by the end of Oshkosh. Sooner, if possible. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:48 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Or, fly a helicopter first! I now have about 45 hours of Bell 206 time, and it was like learning to fly all over again. If you can fly a helo, you can truly fly anything, in my opinion. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > > Might as well chime in... > > > I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a > > tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot. > > That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to encourge > (not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases, in my > opinion. > > > I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider pilot's > > license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an even > > better pilot. > > That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets in the > air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable edge in > both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but I > suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and less on > regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the > beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline into > the approach and landing phase. > > For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an RV, > regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has reasonable > aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force has > experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street, with > pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but they're > certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student. > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Surrey, BC > -6 wings > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:09 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" While we are at it, those clouds in the bottom picture seem pretty close for VFR flight in Class E or G airspace! do not archive! Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10 > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > Just wondering ... > > Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already > (too late this evening to call and ask)??? > > I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin and I would assume > they are not "required crew". > > Maybe, if they have not "flown the time off" yet, they got a special > dispensation from the FAA. > > Not complaining ... just wondering out loud here. > > Anyone else make a note of this?? > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of chris m > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: RV10 > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m > > > > RV10 internal shots on Vans site!! > > > > Chris and Susie > > VH-MUM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:22 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-10 Panel --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" I have NO direct info from Van's but here is what I would suspect it is. James <> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W > > I was wondering if those more familiar than I, could tell me what some > of the instruments on the RV-10 panel are. Here is a photo of it. > http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/inside/309.jpg > > First what is that thing below the turn coordinator. In the center it > looks like the ACS engine monitor and then I think it is the autopilot Yes, then ... See : http://flightperformance.com/ > control. Below that I am guessing it is a pretty generic CD player. I See: http://www.ps-engineering.com/inflight%20entertainment.shtml > don't know what any of the stuff on the right side of the panel is. And See: http://www.upsat.com/gen_home.shtml > if anyone knows, what is some of the smaller stuff around on the left > side, like above hour meter, and to the left of the what looks like a > flap extension indicator or maybe a trim position indicator.? ELT Controls looks like. > > -- > Chris Woodhouse > 3147 SW 127th St. > Oklahoma City, OK 73170 > 405-691-5206 > chrisw@programmer.net > N35 20.492' > W97 34.342' > > "They that can give up essential liberty > to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:14 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Thanks Jerry. That's great to hear. Even though I would like for them to be giving more updates, it is obviously far better that they spend the time working out the kinks and getting it ready for OSH and beyond. With (maybe) 50 hours flown, a second person now in the cockpit, no obvious spin chute and the Pegasus "Performance" Monitor + the ACS 2002, I suspect we are in for a deluge of information/real data as to how this plane performs by the time OSH comes around (if not before). James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:39 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > > James E. Clark wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > > > > Just wondering ... > > > > Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this > plane already > > (too late this evening to call and ask)??? > > > Actually they had to fly 50 hours and that airplane has been flying > a lot so I could believe the hours were flown off. > > Jerry > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:17 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Very hard to a real grasp of distances in the air. Especially if they use a telephoto as that compresses depth of field. Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.bellanca-championclub.com Actively supporting Aeroncas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV10 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > While we are at it, those clouds in the bottom picture seem pretty close for > VFR flight in Class E or G airspace! > > do not archive! > > Paul Besing > RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10) > http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing > Kitlog Builder's Log Software > http://www.kitlog.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James E. Clark" > To: > Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10 > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > > > Just wondering ... > > > > Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane > already > > (too late this evening to call and ask)??? > > > > I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin and I would > assume > > they are not "required crew". > > > > Maybe, if they have not "flown the time off" yet, they got a special > > dispensation from the FAA. > > > > Not complaining ... just wondering out loud here. > > > > Anyone else make a note of this?? > > > > James > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of chris m > > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RV-List: RV10 > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m > > > > > > RV10 internal shots on Vans site!! > > > > > > Chris and Susie > > > VH-MUM > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:25 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Panel Decals ... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Try www.engravers.net Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Schaefer Subject: RV-List: Panel Decals ... --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" What are folks doing for decals or stenciling for the panel switches? I don't want to use something like a labeler; I would like it as permanent as possible. Regards, David Schaefer RV6-A ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:04 PM PST US From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" This same thing happened to me as I was running my flaps up and down after finally getting everything installed. I called vans and was told by Bruce that it had happened to him in flight! The solution they are recommending now is to use very small drill and to drill a diagonal hole thru the edge of the end of the actuator and to then run a safety wire thru that and to secure the wire to the bolt going thru the rod end somehow. This keeps the end of the actuator from rotating. I will use the stop nut AND the safety wire. -- Tom Sargent RV-6A racker@rmci.net wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: > > > >>It might be possible to >>drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a >>cotter pin. Anybody tried this? >>Ron. >> >> > >Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came >apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became apparent. > >Rob Acker (RV-6 flying) > > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:25 PM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Panel Decals ... --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com I second the post for http://www. engravers.net. Wayne has done the panels for my Kitfox and RV6 and I'm very happy with the results. Larry Gagnon ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:45 PM PST US From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: RV-List: RV-10 instruments --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" I just looked at the RV-10 pictures posted today on Van's website. The instrument panel has a multi-function display of some sort and an engine monitor, neither of which I recognize. Looks expensive; can some one tell me what products those are? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent RV-6A ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:01 PM PST US From: Michael McGee Subject: Re: RV-List: Panel Decals ... --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee At 19:27 2003-06-12 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" > > >What are folks doing for decals or stenciling for the panel switches? I >don't want to use something like a labeler; I would like it as permanent >as possible. > >Regards, > >David Schaefer >RV6-A I just redid my RV-4 from the label maker look. For cheap and pretty decent looking panel labels I used Avery transparent mailing labels for ink jet printers, Avery package number 18660. Got them at Office Max for $9.95. Warning, the ink will smear if you hit it with most cleaners. I then used Microsoft Excel and with some trial and adjustment picked out a font and font size and it came out looking real good (for a rush job). You have to trim a lot with scissors to fit everything in but you can make it look pretty good. I'll take a picture and put it on a web site tomorrow. Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR 13B in gestation mode ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:33 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: I'd agree with that except one point, your are learning in a turbine. They are incredibly easy to fly compared to a piston helicopter, specifically the Robinson series. I learned in a Hughes 269B and later spent 1800 hours in a MD500. The 500 was much easier. Point is well taken though. Got to fly in a Pitts one time and the owner couldn't believe I could fly it smoothly the first time. He attributed this to the helicopter time. Hang in there Paul, fly safe!!! Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > Or, fly a helicopter first! I now have about 45 hours of Bell 206 time, and > it was like learning to fly all over again. If you can fly a helo, you can > truly fly anything, in my opinion. > > Paul Besing > RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10) > http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing > Kitlog Builder's Log Software > http://www.kitlog.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tedd McHenry" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > > > > Might as well chime in... > > > > > I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a > > > tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot. > > > > That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to > encourge > > (not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases, in > my > > opinion. > > > > > I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider > pilot's > > > license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an > even > > > better pilot. > > > > That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets in > the > > air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable edge > in > > both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but I > > suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and > less on > > regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the > > beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline > into > > the approach and landing phase. > > > > For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an RV, > > regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has reasonable > > aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force has > > experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street, > with > > pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but > they're > > certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student. > > > > --- > > > > Tedd McHenry > > Surrey, BC > > -6 wings > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:09 PM PST US From: "Randall Henderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" The Dynon looks like a great unit and I expect to replace my vacum gyros with one eventually. The one negative I see is that it requires pitot input for attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only youir airspeed but also your attitude. However the other advantages mostly outweigh that one negative for me, and as long as I have appropriate separate backup instruments its not a show-stopper. Still I hope that someday they can maybe work out a workable backup algorithm for attitude that cuts in when the pitot goes away. Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs) Portland, OR www.vanshomewing.org ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:01 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Yeah, well...if anybody has a trick for drilling that diagonal safety wire hole, *please* let me know! Otherwise I'm resigned to using loctite... do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" > > This same thing happened to me as I was running my flaps up and down > after finally getting everything installed. I called vans and was told > by Bruce that it had happened to him in flight! The solution they are > recommending now is to use very small drill and to drill a diagonal hole > thru the edge of the end of the actuator and to then run a safety wire > thru that and to secure the wire to the bolt going thru the rod end > somehow. This keeps the end of the actuator from rotating. I will use > the stop nut AND the safety wire. > > -- > Tom Sargent > RV-6A > > > racker@rmci.net wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: > > > > > > > >>It might be possible to > >>drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a > >>cotter pin. Anybody tried this? > >>Ron. > >> > >> > > > >Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came > >apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became apparent. > > > >Rob Acker (RV-6 flying) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:01 PM PST US From: "James Jula" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-10 instruments --> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" I gathered most of this from Vans site in bits an pieces: The radio stack contains a UPSAT MX20 (large display), GX60 (GPS/COMM), and SL60(GPS/COMM). http://www.upsat.com/gen_home.shtml The center stack top is an ACS2002 engine monitor, TruTrak Digitrak 200 autopilot, and PS Engineering PCD7100 CD player/Intercom. http://www.advanced-control-systems.com http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com http://www.ps-engineering.com The instrument below the turn coordinator is a Pegasus Flight Data Recorder. http://flightperformance.com/ To sum up this panel, expensive... Enjoy, James -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of thomas a. sargent Subject: RV-List: RV-10 instruments --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" I just looked at the RV-10 pictures posted today on Van's website. The instrument panel has a multi-function display of some sort and an engine monitor, neither of which I recognize. Looks expensive; can some one tell me what products those are? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent RV-6A