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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Jim Jewell)
2. 12:18 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Meketa)
3. 12:31 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Jim Jewell)
4. 02:59 AM - 9th Annual RV Forum, EAA486 Fulton NY (RV6160hp@aol.com)
5. 03:12 AM - HRII or F1 for sale (Tom Martin)
6. 04:36 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Doug Rozendaal)
7. 06:12 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (DAVAWALKER@aol.com)
8. 06:49 AM - Re: RV-10 instruments (Konrad Werner)
9. 06:52 AM - Re: Panel Decals ... (Elsa & Henry)
10. 07:24 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Neil McLeod)
11. 07:41 AM - (Ron Patterson)
12. 08:17 AM - Re: (Patrick Kelley)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end (Andy Karmy)
14. 08:39 AM - NorCal RVators (Edward Cole)
15. 09:05 AM - Re: RV-10 instruments (RV_8 Pilot)
16. 09:14 AM - Re: (Cy Galley)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Randall Henderson)
18. 09:41 AM - Re: NorCal RVators (Garry LeGare)
19. 09:46 AM - Re: RV10 (N13eer@aol.com)
20. 10:14 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (N13eer@aol.com)
21. 10:32 AM - Re: (Jay)
22. 10:36 AM - Interior string lighting (Dana Overall)
23. 11:02 AM - Re: Interior string lighting (Jerry Springer)
24. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: (Engine Hoist) (Elsa & Henry)
25. 11:09 AM - Re: EAA/SAA ... another view (Charlie Kuss)
26. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: (Bill VonDane)
27. 11:30 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (dmedema@att.net)
28. 12:22 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Jim Jewell)
29. 12:41 PM - Temporary Numbers ()
30. 01:07 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Kysh)
31. 02:03 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (czechsix@juno.com)
32. 03:03 PM - Re: Temporary Numbers (Tom Gummo)
33. 04:35 PM - Re: Temporary Numbers (George P. Tyler)
34. 06:11 PM - Re: RV10 (Michael McGee)
35. 06:38 PM - Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 (Gert)
36. 07:10 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (David Carter)
37. 07:28 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Robert Miller)
38. 07:51 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS questions (Gary Bataller)
39. 08:23 PM - Central Texas Pictures (Bob Hassel)
40. 08:40 PM - Skinning an RV4 Wing (Ross Scroggs)
41. 08:49 PM - Re: RV10 (James E. Clark)
42. 09:05 PM - Re:cowl preparation & Superfil (bert murillo)
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Dan,
During the racing pastime days we got used to freehand drilling safety wire
holes through nuts and bolts and edges of castings etc. as bases for safety
wiring. Auto makers don't supply those neat little holes and flanges just
where they are needed like aircraft manufacturers do. Maybe that explains
the extra cost for the certified engines etc. ;8-]
For instance; to drill diagonally across two adjoining facets of a bolt head
or nut, use a suitably small drill and begin by first drilling directly
toward the center. Drill deep enough to get a good start, not real deep,
then angle the drill aiming the drill to the center of the adjoining facet.
You can drill across to the second facet or straight across. Keep the holes
as small as possible. Very small holes angled across facets of nuts should
not weaken them for use on none structural applications.
For structural applications there are plenty of AN numbered fasteners to
pick from do the job.
In the past I have angle drilled some bolt heads from the center of one
facet to the top center of the bolt head to make the wire tying easier to
reach.
The same procedure works on almost any surface, round or what ever. Of
course some hardened materials can defeat the effort. Most nuts and bolts
will not present a hardness problem.
Practice on some used stock and you will get the hang of it pretty quick.
I have not looked as yet at the flap actuator but in the mind's eye drilling
the suggested hole sounds good.
Keep building,
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Yeah, well...if anybody has a trick for drilling that diagonal safety wire
> hole, *please* let me know!
>
> Otherwise I'm resigned to using loctite...
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
<sarg314@earthlink.net>
> >
> > This same thing happened to me as I was running my flaps up and down
> > after finally getting everything installed. I called vans and was told
> > by Bruce that it had happened to him in flight! The solution they are
> > recommending now is to use very small drill and to drill a diagonal hole
> > thru the edge of the end of the actuator and to then run a safety wire
> > thru that and to secure the wire to the bolt going thru the rod end
> > somehow. This keeps the end of the actuator from rotating. I will use
> > the stop nut AND the safety wire.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Sargent
> > RV-6A
> >
> >
> > racker@rmci.net wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>It might be possible to
> > >>drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure with
a
> > >>cotter pin. Anybody tried this?
> > >>Ron.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it came
> > >apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became
> apparent.
> > >
> > >Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Meketa" <acgm@gvtc.com>
Hello Yall
The flap actuator rod end seems like an obvious place for a problem.
I drilled the diagonal hole in the shaft and another small one through the
side of the rod end. Crisscrossed the safety wire.
To drill the diagonal hole first drill straight on to a depth of 1/32" or so
then use that hole as the pilot for the diagonal. Really easy with a sharp
bit
I believe it is visible without disassembly. If I can try to take a pic if
anyone wants one.
George Meketa
RV8, N444TX, 325.7 hrs
> My better half Christine flew our RV-8 from Taupo to Hamilton and back, on
final back at Taupo she went from 1/2 to full flap, there was a loud bang as
full extention was reached and the flaps instantly went to 1/2 extention.
>
> The rod-end on the end of the extention arm, that attaches to the fuselage
bulkhead bracket, had wound out of the arm. Only damage was a slight dent in
the armrest and burring of the last thread on the rod-end.
>
> Have reinstaled with lock-tite so we are not just relying on the lock nut
to hold it all together and check it each preflight to ensure it is still
tight.
>
> Arthur whitehead
> RV-8 ZK-KCA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Randall
So far as I know the pitot tube is only used for airspeed and also for AOA.
The attitude indication is done with solid state electronics.
I have at present got a Cessna heated pitot rigged with airspeed and
altitude gauges The basic panel layout is clockwise, Top center- Dynon D-10,
top right- altitude, lower right- RMI uEncoder, bottom center- blank, lower
left- Navaid turn coordinator, top left- Airspeed,
When the Dynon heated pitot arrives it will most likely be added on to the
opposite wing inspection panel, at least for the first while.
Aside from the slight added drag and maybe an overkill look, is there any
reason not to go this road?
Are you planning to come to Salmon Arm again this Sunday?
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
> The Dynon looks like a great unit and I expect to replace my vacum gyros
> with one eventually. The one negative I see is that it requires pitot
input
> for attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
> traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only
> youir airspeed but also your attitude. However the other advantages mostly
> outweigh that one negative for me, and as long as I have appropriate
> separate backup instruments its not a show-stopper. Still I hope that
> someday they can maybe work out a workable backup algorithm for attitude
> that cuts in when the pitot goes away.
>
> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs)
> Portland, OR
> www.vanshomewing.org
>
>
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| Subject: | 9th Annual RV Forum, EAA486 Fulton NY |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
Mark your calendars and plan to attend.
September 12, 2003 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486 General
meeting night too.
September 13, 2003 Saturday technical seminars all day, meals provided to paid
attendee's. Then a nice dinner banquet with a presentation. This year Mr. Kirk
House, ex-Director Curator of the Glenn Cirtiss Museum will talk about the
books on Glenn he wrote, and how Glenn was the ultimate Experimenter!
September 14, 2003 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a coordinated
fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing.
see us at www.eaachapter486.com
We will be updating our site soon with the 2003 plans.
Last year over 56 RV's and 25 SPAM's flew in with over 150 attendee's. There was
Mike Seager and the Factory RV6 doing instruction and manufacturers like Lycoming
and Aerospace logic with tables displaying and selling their wares.
I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask some one who has been there
the $40 (pre registered) is easily worth it. Hope to See you all there.
Respectfully,
David McManmon
President EAA 486
RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM
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| Subject: | HRII or F1 for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Martin" <fairlea@execulink.com>
RV listers
I have to sell one of my rockets, check out the following.
http://www.b2g3.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=vansairforce
Tom Martin
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
The only purpose for the additional pitot tube and port is for Angle of
Attack. It has no bearing on Attitude. After all you can stall an airplane
in any attitude at nearly any airspeed.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
> The Dynon looks like a great unit and I expect to replace my vacum gyros
> with one eventually. The one negative I see is that it requires pitot
input
> for attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
> traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only
> youir airspeed but also your attitude. However the other advantages mostly
> outweigh that one negative for me, and as long as I have appropriate
> separate backup instruments its not a show-stopper. Still I hope that
> someday they can maybe work out a workable backup algorithm for attitude
> that cuts in when the pitot goes away.
>
> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs)
> Portland, OR
> www.vanshomewing.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: DAVAWALKER@aol.com
My RV 7 drawings show the actuator rod drilled with safety wire through the
castle nut attaching it to the flap actuator.
Dale
Pa.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Dear James,
You are right on, with the exception of a SL70 Transponder instead of a SL60 GPS/COMM.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: James Jula
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-10 instruments
--> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" <jmjula@attbi.com>
I gathered most of this from Vans site in bits an pieces:
The radio stack contains a UPSAT MX20 (large display), GX60 (GPS/COMM), and
SL60(GPS/COMM).
http://www.upsat.com/gen_home.shtml
The center stack top is an ACS2002 engine monitor, TruTrak Digitrak 200
autopilot, and PS Engineering PCD7100 CD player/Intercom.
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com
http://www.ps-engineering.com
The instrument below the turn coordinator is a Pegasus Flight Data Recorder.
http://flightperformance.com/
To sum up this panel, expensive...
Enjoy,
James
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of thomas a.
sargent
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: RV-10 instruments
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I just looked at the RV-10 pictures posted today on Van's website. The
instrument panel has a multi-function display of some sort and an engine
monitor, neither of which I recognize. Looks expensive; can some one tell
me what products those are?
Thanks,
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Decals ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I used a Brother PT-1200 labeler for all the labels on my -6A, including NO
STEPs AVGAS 100LL ONLYs, canopy opening instructions, etc. I used the TZ
transparent tape for the panel labels with black lettering and look great on
my light blue panel. As my fuselage is Ford Wimbleton white, I used the
white back-ground tape on the external labels. They all look great to my
liking, and stick like "S***t to a blanket".A good view is visible in my
Photo Share, Dec 29, 2002, re Tip-up Canopy Stiffening.
Cheers!!----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil McLeod" <bedrock@theriver.com>
Dan,
I drilled mine with an ordinary drill and a brand new 1/16" bit from the
local Ace Hardware aircraft supply house. Easy with a new sharp bit,
impossible with the old dull bit I tried to use initially.
Neil McLeod
7 QB FWF and finish
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Yeah, well...if anybody has a trick for drilling that diagonal safety
wire
hole, *please* let me know!
Otherwise I'm resigned to using loctite...
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops with flap actuator rod end
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
<sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> This same thing happened to me as I was running my flaps up and down
> after finally getting everything installed. I called vans and was told
> by Bruce that it had happened to him in flight! The solution they are
> recommending now is to use very small drill and to drill a diagonal
hole
> thru the edge of the end of the actuator and to then run a safety wire
> thru that and to secure the wire to the bolt going thru the rod end
> somehow. This keeps the end of the actuator from rotating. I will
use
> the stop nut AND the safety wire.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent
> RV-6A
>
>
> racker@rmci.net wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >>It might be possible to
> >>drill a small hole through the jack screw and rod end and secure
with a
> >>cotter pin. Anybody tried this?
> >>Ron.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes. The first time I tried the flap mechanism while building it
came
> >apart, after some head scratching the cotter pin solution became
apparent.
> >
> >Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys,
Anybody have an engine hoist and /or engine stand I could borrow / buy for a reasonble
price?
I'm getting an O'320 delivered to my RV-4 project at HWD on Tuesday AM and need
both a hoist to get it out of the truck and a stand on which to temporarily mount
it for a few weeks. This came up kinda sudden and I don't have time to order
a stand from Aircraft Spruce.
Thanks
Ron Patterson
510-421-2316
N8ZD (reserved)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Engine hoists available from many auto parts stores - around $150. You
could try a rental place if you don't want to buy, but I have no idea
the cost. I bought one because I just know I will need it again after
installing the engine 1) to remove/replace the engine for
repairs/overhaul, and 2) for my next project. As for the stand, I don't
think you need it unless you intend to do work on the engine before
installing it. In that case, if you are going the "install the engine
on the mount and then the mount to the fuselage" route, you could
temporarily attache the stand to a secure vertical surface and mount the
engine to that.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage parts back from painter and being
assembled - at last!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Patterson
Subject:
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys,
Anybody have an engine hoist and /or engine stand I could borrow / buy
for a reasonble price?
I'm getting an O'320 delivered to my RV-4 project at HWD on Tuesday AM
and need both a hoist to get it out of the truck and a stand on which to
temporarily mount it for a few weeks. This came up kinda sudden and I
don't have time to order a stand from Aircraft Spruce.
Thanks
Ron Patterson
510-421-2316
N8ZD (reserved)
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| Subject: | RE: Oops with flap actuator rod end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
The current instructions (per my RV9 build manual) has you drill a small hole through
the end of the actuator kind of at an angle through just one corner of
it. Then you safety around the rod end bolt so that nothing can unscrew or fall
out.
As for how to do it. I took a small drill bit (smaller than 1/16) started drilling
straight into the actuator until I got a small pit in the surface, then slowly
angled the bit to the direction you want to go. Care is necessary as the
small bit is easy to break!
- Andy Karmy
RV9A Seattle WA
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
I don't believe Arthur is referring to the flap control rod Sam. He's
talking about the rod end at the end of the flap motor jack screw. I too
have been concerned about the possibility of this rod end being unscrewed as
the motor runs. There really is no good way to prevent this other then
locktite and a good lock nut. It might be possible to drill a small hole
through the jack screw and rod end and secure with a cotter pin. Anybody
tried this?
Ron
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Edward Cole" <edwardmcole@attbi.com>
Attention all Northern California RV pilots, builders, and wantabees...
We are attempting to put together a group known as the NorCAl RVators
fashioned
after the Southern California RVator group. The attempt is to form a loose
knit group
For flyouts, project visits, builder's help, etc.
If you're interested, Fly, drive, walk, or bike in on June 28th at 12 noon.
Meet at Reid Hillview Airport (RHV) San Jose Hanger Row "L"
If you are flying in, taxi down row "M" and park in the open are in front of
row 'L"
Hot Dogs and Sodas will be on the Menu.
If you are interested contact:
Ed Cole edwardmcole@attbi.com (I'll be on vacation 6/16-6/23)
Jim Piavis piavis@pacbell.net
Ed Cole
RV6A N2169D Flying
RV6A N648RV Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
But no horizon, DG or comparable attitude indication... I know Van has a
plan, but I'd sure want something to know what's up when necessary. Maybe
just an attempt to keep the plane solidly in VMC.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
An old tire works well to protect while it is off the plane but the shipping
pallet will work. Harbor Freight and the like sells a cheap hoist and
stand. Since you don't even have a state listed, it is hard to tell whether
one could loan you a hoist. Many rental places and auto parts stores will
loan them as well.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Patterson" <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Anybody have an engine hoist and /or engine stand I could borrow / buy for
a reasonble price?
>
> I'm getting an O'320 delivered to my RV-4 project at HWD on Tuesday AM and
need both a hoist to get it out of the truck and a stand on which to
temporarily mount it for a few weeks. This came up kinda sudden and I don't
have time to order a stand from Aircraft Spruce.
>
> Thanks
> Ron Patterson
> 510-421-2316
> N8ZD (reserved)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> The only purpose for the additional pitot tube and port is for Angle of
> Attack. It has no bearing on Attitude. After all you can stall an
airplane
> in any attitude at nearly any airspeed.
I learned about the pitot requirement after flying with someone else's unit
temporarily installed in my plane without the pitot hooked up. Rolling into
a turn it seemed to track okay but if you stayed in the turn it would
gradually go back to level. Rolling back to level, it showed a turn, then
gradually went back to level again.
The owner of the unit asked Dynon about it and their response was that the
attitude algorithm requires pitot input. No explanation of why but that's
what they said. If someone else finds out different from the company then by
all means let the rest of us know.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: NorCal RVators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Count me in.
Casper
Edward Cole wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Edward Cole" <edwardmcole@attbi.com>
>
>Attention all Northern California RV pilots, builders, and wantabees...
>We are attempting to put together a group known as the NorCAl RVators
>fashioned
>after the Southern California RVator group. The attempt is to form a loose
>knit group
>For flyouts, project visits, builder's help, etc.
>
>If you're interested, Fly, drive, walk, or bike in on June 28th at 12 noon.
>
>Meet at Reid Hillview Airport (RHV) San Jose Hanger Row "L"
>If you are flying in, taxi down row "M" and park in the open are in front of
>row 'L"
>
>Hot Dogs and Sodas will be on the Menu.
>
>If you are interested contact:
>Ed Cole edwardmcole@attbi.com (I'll be on vacation 6/16-6/23)
>Jim Piavis piavis@pacbell.net
>
>
>Ed Cole
>RV6A N2169D Flying
>RV6A N648RV Finishing
>
>
>Do not archieve
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
I'm not sure the 40 hour rule applies to Vans, their planes are not amateur built
so have to go into another experimental class with different rules.
Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already
(too late this evening to call and ask)???
I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
The Dynon requiring Pitot inputs is not a surprise to me. I know the Collins solid
state attitude computer on Biz jets and RJs performs much better when supplied
with information from the air data computer. I looked up the algorithm
one time and it made my head hurt so I did not dive in to try to understand what
was going on. Bottom line is solid state sensors drift and software has to
filter the drift out. Even the sensors that Collins uses, and each sensor costs
more than a Dynon.
Alan Kritzman
Collins Engineer
RV-8, N8EM
Dynon about it and their response was that the
attitude algorithm requires pitot input. No explanation of why but that's
what they said. If someone else finds out different from the company then by
all means let the rest of us know.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jay <jss165@yahoo.com>
Rod if all else fails, a couple strong guys can lift
the engine in and out of the truck and an old tire
will support the engine nicely while you weight for
the stand and hoist to come in.
Jay Samonsky
On the sidelines for now,
but looking hard at the 10
> Hi Guys,
>
> Anybody have an engine hoist and /or engine stand I
> could borrow / buy for a reasonble price?
>
> I'm getting an O'320 delivered to my RV-4 project at
> HWD on Tuesday AM and need both a hoist to get it
> out of the truck and a stand on which to temporarily
> mount it for a few weeks. This came up kinda sudden
> and I don't have time to order a stand from Aircraft
> Spruce.
>
> Thanks
> Ron Patterson
> 510-421-2316
> N8ZD (reserved)
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Interior string lighting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I know absolutely no one would ever consider putting automotive parts in an
airplane but try this one on for size.
These are pics of a 5' Electroluminance Stringlight, that I am sure was in
the movie The Fast and the Furious somewhere. I got the idea after seeing
my youngest son put a blue one in his truck. I went out at night and, in
addition to the blue light, a light came on for a change in my head. They
do make red ones so today I bought one for $20 at Auto Zone. I'm thinking
an install under the lip of the glare screen just might do the trick. I
tried it in the dark, in front of a NAV head and it is some soft red light.
The first on is with it off, the second on and the third unrolled and on in
th daylight................the one in the dark didn't come out...........for
some reason.
If it doesn't work, I'm out $20. I'm thinking it's going to work very well
though.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/p6130099.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/p6130100.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/p6130101.jpg
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Interior string lighting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Dana Overall wrote:
................the one in the dark didn't come out...........for
> some reason.
>
>
> Dana Overall
>
Dana, the object is to be able to see them in the dark. :-)
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: (Engine Hoist) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
When you consider the money spent on the A/C parts and the hundreds of
dollars spent on tools to build it, an investment in a hoist is pea-nuts. I
was given one by my family when I started building 8 years ago and I have
found it the most useful tool to have around the house and/or hangar.Many
times I have used it such as:
--Raising the airframe to install gear legs and wheels and
maintenance thereafter (don't need jacks and their
complications),
--Installing the engine,
--Raising the whole airplane to put blocks under wheels
(on -6A) to level it for W&B measurements.
Last year I started flying with the original design nose gear leg and during
the past winter, I raised it off its nose wheel and put it on a strong
saw-horse under the firewall. Then removed the nose gear, sent it back to
Van's for match-drilling the replacement which when received was installed
OK. Easily done with the hoist.
My favorite lifting sling is wound around the engine mount with its end
loops hooked to the top mount bolts on both sides to lift the whole airframe
or just to one side to lift one wheel for maintenance.
Go for an engine hoist!!
Cheers!!----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | RE: EAA/SAA ... another view |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Sport Aviation Association is at:
http://www.sportaviation.org
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Moxie" <rv9a@wideopenwest.com>
>
>
>>>>Glenn, I went to the SAA website and it looks like, for some time now,
>Paul
>>>>P has had in mind what you are talking about and is in fact trying to do
>>>>something about it.
>
>
>James,
>
>What is the SAA web address?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Phil Johnston
>RV9A ( Working 0n the Wings ) 78-)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Ron...
I made this roll around cart for my engine:
http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/engine/engine_prop.htm
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
> Hi Guys,
>
> Anybody have an engine hoist and /or engine stand I
> could borrow / buy for a reasonble price?
>
> I'm getting an O'320 delivered to my RV-4 project at
> HWD on Tuesday AM and need both a hoist to get it
> out of the truck and a stand on which to temporarily
> mount it for a few weeks. This came up kinda sudden
> and I don't have time to order a stand from Aircraft
> Spruce.
>
> Thanks
> Ron Patterson
> 510-421-2316
> N8ZD (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net
I just want to clear up any confusion with regards to the Dynon EFIS-D10
requiring pitot and static inputs:
The attitude algorithm implemented in the EFIS-D10 requires airspeed input as
part of the algorithm. If you would look into textbooks that give the
equations for attitude, you will find airspeed related terms. You can either
measure it, get a estimate of it from the GPS, or estimate it using some other
mathematical technique. We wanted to display it as well as altitude and VSI,
so we chose the most accurate way which is to measure it.
Having said that, you don't need to buy the Dynon AOA/pitot probe to have a
proper functioning attitude indicator. A standard pitot/static system can be
used directly with the EFIS-D10. Our AOA/pitot probe will add the AOA
functionality to the instrument.
Hope this clears up any confusion.
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM (reserved) Final assembly at the airport!!
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Randall,
I happily stand corrected.
Thanks for the additional information re- the need for pitot input and it's
relationship to attitude readings on the D-10.
I contacted Dynon and Doug resopnded directly to me and has now put
pertaining information on the list.
Will you be coming to the Salmon Arm fathers day fly-in on Sunday?
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
> > The only purpose for the additional pitot tube and port is for Angle of
> > Attack. It has no bearing on Attitude. After all you can stall an
> airplane
> > in any attitude at nearly any airspeed.
>
> I learned about the pitot requirement after flying with someone else's
unit
> temporarily installed in my plane without the pitot hooked up. Rolling
into
> a turn it seemed to track okay but if you stayed in the turn it would
> gradually go back to level. Rolling back to level, it showed a turn, then
> gradually went back to level again.
>
> The owner of the unit asked Dynon about it and their response was that the
> attitude algorithm requires pitot input. No explanation of why but that's
> what they said. If someone else finds out different from the company then
by
> all means let the rest of us know.
>
> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs)
> Portland, OR
> www.vanshomewing.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Temporary Numbers |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sgesele@yahoo.com>
Does anyone have any recommendations on how to apply
temporary numbers to a finished (painted) RV? I need
to apply an 18" high "53" for the upcoming Airventure
race. I've been told to use 3M Scotchcal vinyl, but
am afraid that it may be too difficult to remove.
Thanks in advance,
Scott Gesele
N506RV 500+ hrs
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Jim Jewell was saying:
> Hi Randall,
>
> I happily stand corrected.
> Thanks for the additional information re- the need for pitot input and it's
> relationship to attitude readings on the D-10.
> I contacted Dynon and Doug resopnded directly to me and has now put
> pertaining information on the list.
Ouch... really goes to show that you should know your systems. If you were
flying at night, or in 'less than stellar VFR', and your pitot tube iced or
became plugged, you'd lose just about every instrument on your MFD. If you
didn't know this info, it would be chaos in the cockpit as you tried to
figure out what instruments were failed and why.
Very unintuitive failure mode. :o
Do not archive
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Hi Randall, just curious, did you hear this from Dynon? My understanding
when I talked to them at OSH last year was just the opposite, that it
would NOT be dependent on any external input like pitot or GPS to
maintain attitude stability. Maybe that was their goal a year ago and
they figured out since then that they couldn't do it without pitot??
Just wanted to make sure this is recent info straight from Dynon....
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D prepping for paint, Dynon sitting on dining room table ready to
install in panel...
Time: 10:32:09 PM PST US
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
The Dynon looks like a great unit and I expect to replace my vacum gyros
with one eventually. The one negative I see is that it requires pitot
input
for attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only
youir airspeed but also your attitude. However the other advantages
mostly
outweigh that one negative for me, and as long as I have appropriate
separate backup instruments its not a show-stopper. Still I hope that
someday they can maybe work out a workable backup algorithm for attitude
that cuts in when the pitot goes away.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~500 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary Numbers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
For the Goleden West and Coppersstate races, Aircraft Spurce supplied
electrical tape and the racers just made up the numbers. Some were very
hard to read but I never heard anybody had any problems getting it back off.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
"Race Marshall" for the cancelled Golden West and Copperstate Races. :-(
----- Original Message -----
From: <sgesele@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Temporary Numbers
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sgesele@yahoo.com>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to apply
> temporary numbers to a finished (painted) RV? I need
> to apply an 18" high "53" for the upcoming Airventure
> race. I've been told to use 3M Scotchcal vinyl, but
> am afraid that it may be too difficult to remove.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott Gesele
> N506RV 500+ hrs
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary Numbers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
Most of that stuff comes off very easily with a little heat from a hair
dryer and no damage to paint. George Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: <sgesele@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Temporary Numbers
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sgesele@yahoo.com>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to apply
> temporary numbers to a finished (painted) RV? I need
> to apply an 18" high "53" for the upcoming Airventure
> race. I've been told to use 3M Scotchcal vinyl, but
> am afraid that it may be too difficult to remove.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott Gesele
> N506RV 500+ hrs
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 12:42 2003-06-13 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>
>I'm not sure the 40 hour rule applies to Vans, their planes are not
>amateur built so have to go into another experimental class with different
>rules.
>
>
>Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this plane already
>(too late this evening to call and ask)???
>
>I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin
New FAA rules-
Because the plane is "professionally built" and is a true prototype not
just a factory demonstrator it got a 50 hour phase 1.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: No license, no experience, building an RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Well nobody seems to give numbers..
I was just quoted 100hrs total minimum and 10 in type (rv8a) to be
insurable in a RV-8A.
Gert
ktlkrn@cox.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> I'd agree with that except one point, your are learning in a turbine. They
> are incredibly easy to fly compared to a piston helicopter, specifically the
> Robinson series. I learned in a Hughes 269B and later spent 1800 hours in a
> MD500. The 500 was much easier.
>
> Point is well taken though. Got to fly in a Pitts one time and the owner
> couldn't believe I could fly it smoothly the first time. He attributed this
> to the helicopter time.
>
> Hang in there Paul, fly safe!!!
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>>
>>Or, fly a helicopter first! I now have about 45 hours of Bell 206 time,
>>
> and
>
>>it was like learning to fly all over again. If you can fly a helo, you
>>
> can
>
>>truly fly anything, in my opinion.
>>
>>Paul Besing
>>RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
>>http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
>>Kitlog Builder's Log Software
>>http://www.kitlog.com
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: No license, no experience, building an RV-8
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>>>
>>>Might as well chime in...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've heard many people recommend that you start out learning in a
>>>>tailwheel aircraft, as it will make you a much better pilot.
>>>>
>>>That would not surprise me in the least. Tricycle gear does tend to
>>>
>>encourge
>>
>>>(not cause, but encourage) laziness in the take-off and landing phases,
>>>
> in
>
>>my
>>
>>>opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've also heard it said that if you start out by getting your glider
>>>>
>>pilot's
>>
>>>>license, and *then* get your powered license, that it will make you an
>>>>
>>even
>>
>>>>better pilot.
>>>>
>>>That's one I truly believe. I taught many low-time pilots to fly jets
>>>
> in
>
>>the
>>
>>>air force, and those with glider experience generally had a noticable
>>>
> edge
>
>>in
>>
>>>both hands-and-feet and airmanship. I'm not a glider pilot myself, but
>>>
> I
>
>>>suspect that the glider training focuses more on aircraft handling and
>>>
>>less on
>>
>>>regs, procedures, and RT than typical powered training, at least in the
>>>beginning. Obviously, not having an engine also injects some discipline
>>>
>>into
>>
>>>the approach and landing phase.
>>>
>>>For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with someone learning on an
>>>
> RV,
>
>>>regardless of where the swivel wheel is, provided he or she has
>>>
> reasonable
>
>>>aptitude to begin with and a good instructor. The Canadaian air force
>>>
> has
>
>>>experimented with ab initio training on jets, i.e. right off the street,
>>>
>>with
>>
>>>pretty good success. Training jets aren't especially hard to fly, but
>>>
>>they're
>>
>>>certainly more of a challenge than RVs, for a beginning student.
>>>
>>>---
>>>
>>>Tedd McHenry
>>>Surrey, BC
>>>-6 wings
>>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
<snip> The one negative I see is that it requires pitot input > for
attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only
youir airspeed but also your attitude. <snip> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R
(~500 hrs)> Portland, OR
Having read the replies that came after this, I believe the correct "what
if?" evaluation is this:
IF my pitot tube ices up - or, more likely - FREEZES up in VFR wx conditions
above the freezing level because of inadequate system design to drain and
purge the pitot line as a routine maintenance practice -
THEN I will NOT "lose" attitude info - I will have the "indication of
rolling out" while holding a steady state bank and turn, followed by an
indication of "banking" when I roll out. Could definitely be a bummer in
IFR conditions.
-Maybe there could be an ADDED "no pitot pressure" warning sensor and
circuit and algorithm and light and tone and voice warning to INFORM me that
all is not well, beware, heads up, review where the Turn & Bank is and keep
an eye on it when turning and rolling out of turns.
Point is, the attitude indication isn't going to go "tits up" (TU) [Totally
Unusable in mixed company]. It is going to give anomalous bank indication,
temporarily, but should "damp" out after holding Turn Coordinator centered
for ___ seconds.
David Carter
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Forgive my ignorance, but could someone explain why pitot pressure information
is needed at all for attitude...??
Is there not a solid state gyro representation in the unit?
Robert
David Carter wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> >
> <snip> The one negative I see is that it requires pitot input > for
> attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
> traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not only
> youir airspeed but also your attitude. <snip> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R
> (~500 hrs)> Portland, OR
>
> Having read the replies that came after this, I believe the correct "what
> if?" evaluation is this:
>
> IF my pitot tube ices up - or, more likely - FREEZES up in VFR wx conditions
> above the freezing level because of inadequate system design to drain and
> purge the pitot line as a routine maintenance practice -
> THEN I will NOT "lose" attitude info - I will have the "indication of
> rolling out" while holding a steady state bank and turn, followed by an
> indication of "banking" when I roll out. Could definitely be a bummer in
> IFR conditions.
> -Maybe there could be an ADDED "no pitot pressure" warning sensor and
> circuit and algorithm and light and tone and voice warning to INFORM me that
> all is not well, beware, heads up, review where the Turn & Bank is and keep
> an eye on it when turning and rolling out of turns.
>
> Point is, the attitude indication isn't going to go "tits up" (TU) [Totally
> Unusable in mixed company]. It is going to give anomalous bank indication,
> temporarily, but should "damp" out after holding Turn Coordinator centered
> for ___ seconds.
>
> David Carter
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary Bataller" <gary_bataller@hotmail.com>
see: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/DTRS/1997/PDF/H-2140.pdf
>From: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:31:59 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
>Forgive my ignorance, but could someone explain why pitot pressure
>information
>is needed at all for attitude...??
>Is there not a solid state gyro representation in the unit?
>Robert
>
>David Carter wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS questions
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson"
><randallh@attbi.com>
> > >
> > <snip> The one negative I see is that it requires pitot input > for
> > attitude. For those that fly IFR that's a bit of a step back from a
> > traditional system since an iced or blocked pitot would lose you not
>only
> > youir airspeed but also your attitude. <snip> Randall Henderson, RV-6
>N6R
> > (~500 hrs)> Portland, OR
> >
> > Having read the replies that came after this, I believe the correct
>"what
> > if?" evaluation is this:
> >
> > IF my pitot tube ices up - or, more likely - FREEZES up in VFR wx
>conditions
> > above the freezing level because of inadequate system design to drain
>and
> > purge the pitot line as a routine maintenance practice -
> > THEN I will NOT "lose" attitude info - I will have the "indication of
> > rolling out" while holding a steady state bank and turn, followed by an
> > indication of "banking" when I roll out. Could definitely be a bummer
>in
> > IFR conditions.
> > -Maybe there could be an ADDED "no pitot pressure" warning sensor
>and
> > circuit and algorithm and light and tone and voice warning to INFORM me
>that
> > all is not well, beware, heads up, review where the Turn & Bank is and
>keep
> > an eye on it when turning and rolling out of turns.
> >
> > Point is, the attitude indication isn't going to go "tits up" (TU)
>[Totally
> > Unusable in mixed company]. It is going to give anomalous bank
>indication,
> > temporarily, but should "damp" out after holding Turn Coordinator
>centered
> > for ___ seconds.
> >
> > David Carter
>
>
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<vansairforce@hotmail.com>
| Subject: | Central Texas Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
I finally have most of the pictures I took at the Central Texas flyin up on
my web site. I still have a roll in the camera I need to finish off, but
this is at least a start.
You can find them at:
http://www.hassel-usa.com/ct-03.htm
Bob Hassel
Email: bob@hassel-usa.com
URL: http://www.hassel-usa.com
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | Skinning an RV4 Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs@attbi.com>
Need some advise from the RV4 gurus.
I'm installing the bottom skins on my wings. As I see it, the inboard skin overlaps
the outboard
skin where they meet. Since the flap hinge is installed perpendicular along this
seam, at the trailing
edge, do I need to trim out the overlap so I have a flat surface for the hinge?
I've seen where I have
to trim the top surface skins so the flap leading edge will not rub but what about
the bottom skins.
I'm only talking about a .007" difference.
Thanks,
Ross Scroggs
Conyers, Ga.
RV-4 #3911 Wings
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
According to Tom, they have about 15+ hours on the plane.
Yes, they are in a different category for the prototype. This category
allows them to have the second person (engineer) on board collecting data
(via computer etc.).
They are still working hard to get it all together by OSH.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N13eer@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:43 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV10
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>
> I'm not sure the 40 hour rule applies to Vans, their planes are
> not amateur built so have to go into another experimental class
> with different rules.
>
>
> Anyone know if Van's has flown off the 25 or 40 hours on this
> plane already
> (too late this evening to call and ask)???
>
> I notice what **looks** like a second person in the cabin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cowl preparation & Superfil |
--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Dave:
In my experience, I applied the super fill as per
mfg. Instructions. You do not thinn it out...use a
small spreader, depending of size you need. once set,
you sand it to smooth finish... really it is easy to
sand once started.
The way I understand it, as told by my builder friends
tell me, it is use to make a very smooth base, before
you apply the Fiber-Glss...
I just finished doing my fairing, for the wind screen
on my Rv6a, slider.. I had to lay three layers of Fiber
Glass, after the super filled, was completed...
Hope this will help you . If you have other questions
contact me off the list...
Bert
Rv6a
Finishing canopy
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