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1. 04:09 AM - colorado flying (lucky macy)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: colorado flying (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: colorado flying (lucky macy)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: colorado flying (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
5. 12:11 PM - [ Meketa ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 12:13 PM - [ TGreen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
7. 12:33 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident (Gene Polenske)
8. 12:46 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident (Gert)
9. 01:38 PM - slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Jerry Springer)
11. 02:22 PM - Landing a constant speed equipped RV power off (RobHickman@aol.com)
12. 02:42 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Tedd McHenry)
13. 02:42 PM - Power failure with a constant speed prop (Terry Watson)
14. 03:30 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (kempthornes)
15. 03:30 PM - Leading Edge (Don Harker)
16. 03:30 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Jerry Springer)
17. 04:20 PM - Test flyin' RV-4 style (Doug Weiler)
18. 04:40 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Tedd McHenry)
19. 05:56 PM - prop spacer (chris m)
20. 05:59 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Kevin Horton)
21. 06:21 PM - O-290G model info. (EddyFernan@aol.com)
22. 07:20 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Jerry Springer)
23. 07:21 PM - Re: O-290G model info. (Art Glaser)
24. 07:24 PM - Re: Power failure with a constant speed prop (Jim Streit)
25. 08:11 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (Camille Patch)
26. 08:27 PM - 22DW first flight photos (Doug Weiler)
27. 08:38 PM - Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident (KostaLewis)
28. 08:43 PM - Re: prop spacer (Don Eaves)
29. 08:59 PM - Re: prop spacer (Jim Oke)
30. 09:22 PM - GPS - RAIM Prediction (George McNutt)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
I'll be vacationing in the Pueblo/Colorado Springs area from Jun 26 - July
6th. It wouldn't be complete if I couldn't see some of the great state from
the air and learn a something about flying in that higher
elevation/mountainous area. If you want to play aerial tour guide please
contact me. If you are in the final stages of building an 8 and don't mind
some visitors for a few minutes, I'd like to show my family members out
there what one looks like.
Thanks!
lucky macy
Pennsylvania
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: colorado flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Saturday the 5th is our annual fly-in at Granby (GNB) Always lots of RVs
and lots of fun. Granby is an easy mountain strip in a wide open valley
(altitude 8250') We're about 50 miles NW of Denver at 8,250'. Most people
cross the divide at Rollins Pass (also called Corona Pass) which is just
south of Boulder. The pass elevation is about 11,500'. Come visit and have
some free pancakes.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: lucky macy <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: colorado flying
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> I'll be vacationing in the Pueblo/Colorado Springs area from Jun 26 - July
> 6th. It wouldn't be complete if I couldn't see some of the great state
from
> the air and learn a something about flying in that higher
> elevation/mountainous area. If you want to play aerial tour guide please
> contact me. If you are in the final stages of building an 8 and don't
mind
> some visitors for a few minutes, I'd like to show my family members out
> there what one looks like.
>
> Thanks!
> lucky macy
> Pennsylvania
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: colorado flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
that sounds like it could be a possibility as we fly out of denver the
following day so it will get us back up in that part of colorado. where's a
really good fireworks show near you? Maybe others could fly in earlier if
they knew they could catch a good show the night before.
>From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: colorado flying
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:16:29 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
><winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>Saturday the 5th is our annual fly-in at Granby (GNB) Always lots of RVs
>and lots of fun. Granby is an easy mountain strip in a wide open valley
>(altitude 8250') We're about 50 miles NW of Denver at 8,250'. Most people
>cross the divide at Rollins Pass (also called Corona Pass) which is just
>south of Boulder. The pass elevation is about 11,500'. Come visit and
>have
>some free pancakes.
>
>Andy
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: lucky macy <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: colorado flying
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I'll be vacationing in the Pueblo/Colorado Springs area from Jun 26 -
>July
> > 6th. It wouldn't be complete if I couldn't see some of the great state
>from
> > the air and learn a something about flying in that higher
> > elevation/mountainous area. If you want to play aerial tour guide
>please
> > contact me. If you are in the final stages of building an 8 and don't
>mind
> > some visitors for a few minutes, I'd like to show my family members out
> > there what one looks like.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > lucky macy
> > Pennsylvania
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: colorado flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
There were small fireworks in Fraser and Grand Lake a couple years ago but
were cancelled last year because of the draught. I haven't heard if they
will take place this year. We've had a good wet spring, but I understand
there is still concern because of so many previous dry years. I'm not sure
whats going on in Denver. I'm sure there will be something there.
Andy
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----- Original Message -----
From: lucky macy <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: colorado flying
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> that sounds like it could be a possibility as we fly out of denver the
> following day so it will get us back up in that part of colorado. where's
a
> really good fireworks show near you? Maybe others could fly in earlier if
> they knew they could catch a good show the night before.
>
>
> >From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: colorado flying
> >Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:16:29 -0600
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
> ><winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> >
> >Saturday the 5th is our annual fly-in at Granby (GNB) Always lots of RVs
> >and lots of fun. Granby is an easy mountain strip in a wide open valley
> >(altitude 8250') We're about 50 miles NW of Denver at 8,250'. Most
people
> >cross the divide at Rollins Pass (also called Corona Pass) which is just
> >south of Boulder. The pass elevation is about 11,500'. Come visit and
> >have
> >some free pancakes.
> >
> >Andy
>
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| Subject: | [ Meketa ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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| Subject: | [ TGreen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gene Polenske" <Rv8tor@centurytel.net>
I have a question, most all my flying has been in a J3 cub. I have been
taught to always fly a tight pattern, power off on downwind adjacent to the
end of the runway and use a slip if needed. I am building an RV-8 and
considering a constant speed prop. My question is how hard is it to land a
constant speed equipped RV-8 power off. Does any body do it regularly.
Gene Polenske
RV-8 Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEREK REED" <dreed@cdsnet.net>
> >
> >Sad to say my friend Farn Reed, did not survive a dead stick landing
Friday
> >afternoon in his RV8.
> > He reported engine problems on down wind but didn't quite make the
> >runway.
> >Damage to the craft tore half the left wing off and broke the right wing
> >away from the fuselage. The break away front attach wing bracket did it's
> >job and there was no fire.
> >The cockpit area remained virtually intact,
> >
> >Sad days.
> >
> >Take care you guys, keep those shoulder harnesses tight!
>
>
> This is terrible news. Please people....fly your patterns as if you're a
> lead GLIDER. Because, someday, YOU MIGHT BE!
>
> I swear it's the modern day training....the "fly bomber sized patterns"
> teachings of the every day low-time, 20 yr old CFI that is getting our
> collective butts in a ringer.
>
> Give me a direct overhead 360 fighter break anyday. But, I digress.
>
> My condolences to his family. God speed, Mr. Reed.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> survived a dead stick RV8 landing
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Without being morbid and with all due respect to the family left behind.
If the cockpit area was virtually intact. what did Farn die off??
did he hit the instrument panel or the glare shield with his head,
referring to the shoulderharness and to keep them tight ??
Gert
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEREK REED" <dreed@cdsnet.net>
>>>
>>>Sad to say my friend Farn Reed, did not survive a dead stick landing
>>>
> Friday
>
>>>afternoon in his RV8.
>>> He reported engine problems on down wind but didn't quite make the
>>>runway.
>>>Damage to the craft tore half the left wing off and broke the right wing
>>>away from the fuselage. The break away front attach wing bracket did it's
>>>job and there was no fire.
>>>The cockpit area remained virtually intact,
>>>
>>>Sad days.
>>>
>>>Take care you guys, keep those shoulder harnesses tight!
>>>
>>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
I always fly a high tight pattern and always slip the last couple hundred
feet. (learned this from flying ultralights). And with every bienniel,
I'm always given a hard time about this from the instructor. "Plan your
pattern better" they say "I want to see a smooth stabilized approach."
They make me do it over and over again, until I give them what they want.
So I do, and go back to my slip as soon as they sign me off.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Polenske <Rv8tor@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gene Polenske" <Rv8tor@centurytel.net>
>
> I have a question, most all my flying has been in a J3 cub. I have been
> taught to always fly a tight pattern, power off on downwind adjacent to
the
> end of the runway and use a slip if needed. I am building an RV-8 and
> considering a constant speed prop. My question is how hard is it to land
a
> constant speed equipped RV-8 power off. Does any body do it regularly.
>
> Gene Polenske
> RV-8 Wings
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEREK REED" <dreed@cdsnet.net>
> > >
> > >Sad to say my friend Farn Reed, did not survive a dead stick landing
> Friday
> > >afternoon in his RV8.
> > > He reported engine problems on down wind but didn't quite make the
> > >runway.
> > >Damage to the craft tore half the left wing off and broke the right
wing
> > >away from the fuselage. The break away front attach wing bracket did
it's
> > >job and there was no fire.
> > >The cockpit area remained virtually intact,
> > >
> > >Sad days.
> > >
> > >Take care you guys, keep those shoulder harnesses tight!
> >
> >
> > This is terrible news. Please people....fly your patterns as if you're
a
> > lead GLIDER. Because, someday, YOU MIGHT BE!
> >
> > I swear it's the modern day training....the "fly bomber sized patterns"
> > teachings of the every day low-time, 20 yr old CFI that is getting our
> > collective butts in a ringer.
> >
> > Give me a direct overhead 360 fighter break anyday. But, I digress.
> >
> > My condolences to his family. God speed, Mr. Reed.
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > survived a dead stick RV8 landing
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> I always fly a high tight pattern and always slip the last couple hundred
> feet. (learned this from flying ultralights). And with every bienniel,
> I'm always given a hard time about this from the instructor. "Plan your
> pattern better" they say "I want to see a smooth stabilized approach."
> They make me do it over and over again, until I give them what they want.
> So I do, and go back to my slip as soon as they sign me off.
>
> Andy
>
>
So what is wrong with just doing it right and planning your approach?
What does it mean to fly a high tight pattern? Does that mean you are flying
above the established pattern altitude or above the rest of the aircraft in the
pattern? Flying an RV is NOT flying an ultralight, plan the approach IMO.
Also it is not always possible to fly an approach or pattern that well get you
to the runway if an engine fails. Many times here at HIO I am number 3,4,or even
5 for the airport so if an engine fail on a long extended downwind you are not
going to make it to the runway.
Jerry(flight instructor do it tell its right)Springer
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| Subject: | Landing a constant speed equipped RV power off |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
In a message dated 6/22/2003 12:35:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Rv8tor@centurytel.net writes:
> My question is how hard is it to land a
> constant speed equipped RV-8 power off. Does any body do it regularly.
>
I don't know about the RV-8, but I regularly land my IO-360 CS RV-4 with
power off (idle). I keep the plane at Twin Oaks (73S Length 2465ft) I pull the
power on down wind and leave the prop in fine pitch. The first time I tried it
I would have not made it anywhere near the airport, the sink rate is pretty
impressive. After some practice it is really not a big deal. It has really
taught me how to fly a pattern so that if the engine quits I can make it to the
runway. I get very uncomfortable when the airport is busy and the pattern gets
pushed way out.
You really owe it to yourself and your passengers to be very comfortable
doing this.
Rob Hickman
N401RH
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> > I always fly a high tight pattern and always slip the last couple hundred
>
> So what is wrong with just doing it right and planning your approach?
What is it about deliberately preserving altitude in the even of lost power
that constitutes NOT planning your approach?
But you're both right, so long as you're not dogmatic about it. Sometimes you
do have to fly a "standard" pattern, to fit into traffic or whatever. But,
when not constrained by other considerations, a pattern that will get you to
the runway engine-out is good airmanship.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Power failure with a constant speed prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Please help me understand: You are on final with a power on approach and a
constant speed prop. You have pushed the prop control in (fine pitch)
either for braking or to be ready for a go-around, or both. The engine
quits. What do you do with the prop control? Why? Does it matter (without
power/oil pressure)?
Would you do the same thing at altitude?
This has been bugging me for a long time and I would appreciate comments
from those who know.
Thanks,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
This high, tight, slip it in method is for why??? In case the engine quits??
If I felt this way I might be inclined to fly high etc too and then work on
the engine.
I fly a three hour flight over the highest Sierras etc and then worry about
the engine quitting on downwind at my nice flat airport? No. I think it
more important to worry about something unexpected such as a gust or
distraction causing loss of control.
I've done a few landings that were cool looking and very exciting. Now I
believe that landings should be as boring as possible.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
Working on the wings for a 7A. At the joint plate the fuel tank is about a
thumbnail higher than the leading edge on the lower quarter radius. To line
things up I intend to put a shim (1/32 sheet) under the most inboard leading
edge rib. It helps match things up. Before I pass the point of no return
(rivets). Has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks
Don Harker
RV-7A Wings
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Tedd McHenry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
>>>I always fly a high tight pattern and always slip the last couple hundred
>>
>>So what is wrong with just doing it right and planning your approach?
>
>
> What is it about deliberately preserving altitude in the even of lost power
> that constitutes NOT planning your approach?
>
> But you're both right, so long as you're not dogmatic about it. Sometimes you
> do have to fly a "standard" pattern, to fit into traffic or whatever. But,
> when not constrained by other considerations, a pattern that will get you to
> the runway engine-out is good airmanship.
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC
>
Planning it so you HAVE TO SLIP to land is good airmanship? Some airplanes
that is necessary to see the runway but not in an RV.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Test flyin' RV-4 style |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Greetings all:
Just though I'd give you all a brief update on my test flying thus far.
22DW flew last one week ago today. I now have 13.4 hours on it. The
Aerosport engine runs fine. It is burning oil (about 1 qt every 5 hours
right), but I hope that will come down shortly. CHTs have been normal and
the oil temp averages around 190 degrees F. I have gone through all the
approach and departure stall series (gee, you have to be going straight up
to stall this thing power on!). I have done airspeed calibrations and the
airspeed and altimeter seems to be perfect (this is using Van's pitot tube
and static location on the fuselage). TAS at altitude is exactly 170 knots
(8500 feet at 21.5"mp and 2400 rpm). Fuel burn here is around 8.2 gph. My
previous RV-4 had the short gear. I much prefer this model with the tall
gear. Much easier to land and also lands slower. For some reason this RV
is more stable in yaw than my other one. I have no idea why.
I placed the OAT probe right under the right cowling cheek. Big mistake. I
forgot lots of hot air goes in the cheek and it get very warm around the OAT
probe (around 150 F). I plan to seal of the cheek, but I'll probably have
to move the probe somewhere better. Any ideas??
It took about a 7 inch rudder tab to trim out the yaw. I had a slightly
heavy right wing. A couple squeezes of the left aileron and the airplane is
now perfectly in trim at its 170 mph IAS in normal cruise.
I am working through my test cards but with 40 hours of test time total,
there is plenty of time. My test areas is exactly 154nm around the
perimeter and I average 54 minutes and 8.8 gallons of fuel to fly that
perimeter (guess I'm getting bored already!!)
The GX-55 GPS/comm works perfect although the transmission are a little
scratchy (using a new DC ENR headset).
The goal is to have the time flown off prior to OSH. The fun continues....
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
N722DW
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Planning it so you HAVE TO SLIP to land is good airmanship?
Not necessarily to slip--that depends on the airplane. But, yes, flying a
pattern that would allow you to make the runway if the engine fails--when there
are no other factors making it undesirable--is good airmanship. Same reason
runways are designed with under-runs. How could being safer NOT be good
airmanship?
As for "why worry about an engine failure after a long cross-country," it's a
straw man. Don't you look for forced landing sites or alternate airports
during the cross-country phase? Of course you do. Same princple: why NOT do
something that improves your odds of surviving the flight?
Think of it this way. If you were going to start from scratch and design a
trafic pattern for one airplane at a time, and with a qualified pilot, not an
ab initio student, would you not design it--as far as practical--so that you
could make the runway engine out from any position? Of course you would! It
would be silly not to, particularly if you were designing it for an airplane
such as an RV, which can fly the pattern with significant zoom potential.
Modern, civilian traffic patterns are made large to (a) accommodate large
numbers of airplanes and (b) allow enough time for ab initio students to keep
up to the pace and, maybe, (c) allow largish airplanes to fly the same pattern
as everyone else. If none of those factors are present, there's no reason to
fly such a big pattern.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Anyone know an easy way to get the prop spacer off without damage...I want
to repitch my sensenich prop.
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
>> Planning it so you HAVE TO SLIP to land is good airmanship?
>
>Not necessarily to slip--that depends on the airplane. But, yes, flying a
>pattern that would allow you to make the runway if the engine
>fails--when there
>are no other factors making it undesirable--is good airmanship. Same reason
>runways are designed with under-runs. How could being safer NOT be good
>airmanship?
>
>As for "why worry about an engine failure after a long cross-country," it's a
>straw man. Don't you look for forced landing sites or alternate airports
>during the cross-country phase? Of course you do. Same princple: why NOT do
>something that improves your odds of surviving the flight?
>
>Think of it this way. If you were going to start from scratch and design a
>trafic pattern for one airplane at a time, and with a qualified pilot, not an
>ab initio student, would you not design it--as far as practical--so that you
>could make the runway engine out from any position? Of course you would! It
>would be silly not to, particularly if you were designing it for an airplane
>such as an RV, which can fly the pattern with significant zoom potential.
>Modern, civilian traffic patterns are made large to (a) accommodate large
>numbers of airplanes and (b) allow enough time for ab initio students to keep
>up to the pace and, maybe, (c) allow largish airplanes to fly the same pattern
>as everyone else. If none of those factors are present, there's no reason to
>fly such a big pattern.
>
>Tedd McHenry
>Surrey, BC
>
I have to agree 100% with Tedd on this one. Certainly there are many
airports and situations where a large pattern is required in order to
fit in with the other traffic. But, if traffic permits, it is only
prudent to fly the pattern so that you can get to the runway if the
engine fails.
The only light aircraft I fly regularly right now is a C182, and I
have very little RV experience, so the following thoughts may or may
not be relevant to RVs. The flaps on the 182 are very draggy,
especially once they are deflected past 20 deg. If I have an engine
failure after the flaps are deflected, and there is any question
about being able to make the runway, I intend to lower the nose to
get the airspeed up to 70 kt, then retract the flaps. I have
experimented with this at altitude, and then in practice engine
failures from the traffic pattern, and it works very well, as long as
you check the airspeed before retracting the flaps. Obviously no one
should put this in their "bag of tricks" without trying it on their
aircraft at a safe altitude to see if it is a "good thing" or not.
Practice those engine failures. I had one in the flare on Friday,
and it was a turbine engine, which are much more reliable than piston
engines. The odds are pretty good that some one on this list will
have an engine failure in the next year. You owe it too your friends
and family to be ready for it.
Fly safe.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | O-290G model info. |
--> RV-List message posted by: EddyFernan@aol.com
Does anyone have any information on the Lyc. O-290-G (ground power unit)?
How difficult or expensive would it be to make it air-worthy? Anyone been there
done that?
Eddy Fernandez
RV-9a
"Electrical stuff"
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Kevin Horton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>>
>>> Planning it so you HAVE TO SLIP to land is good airmanship?
>>
>>Not necessarily to slip--that depends on the airplane. But, yes, flying a
>>pattern that would allow you to make the runway if the engine
>>fails--when there
>>are no other factors making it undesirable--is good airmanship. Same reason
>>runways are designed with under-runs. How could being safer NOT be good
>>airmanship?
>>
>>As for "why worry about an engine failure after a long cross-country," it's a
>>straw man. Don't you look for forced landing sites or alternate airports
>>during the cross-country phase? Of course you do. Same princple: why NOT do
>>something that improves your odds of surviving the flight?
>>
>>Think of it this way. If you were going to start from scratch and design a
>>trafic pattern for one airplane at a time, and with a qualified pilot, not an
>>ab initio student, would you not design it--as far as practical--so that you
>>could make the runway engine out from any position? Of course you would! It
>>would be silly not to, particularly if you were designing it for an airplane
>>such as an RV, which can fly the pattern with significant zoom potential.
>>Modern, civilian traffic patterns are made large to (a) accommodate large
>>numbers of airplanes and (b) allow enough time for ab initio students to keep
>>up to the pace and, maybe, (c) allow largish airplanes to fly the same pattern
>>as everyone else. If none of those factors are present, there's no reason to
>>fly such a big pattern.
>>
>>Tedd McHenry
>>Surrey, BC
>>
>
>
> I have to agree 100% with Tedd on this one. Certainly there are many
> airports and situations where a large pattern is required in order to
> fit in with the other traffic. But, if traffic permits, it is only
> prudent to fly the pattern so that you can get to the runway if the
> engine fails.
>
Kevin did you read Andy's post about always coming in tight and high so as to
plan a slip to landing? Really, I don't care how anyone does their thing, but
that is certainly not necessarily a great way to do it in an RV. IMO
I totally agree that if traffic and airport situations allow we should always
plan for the unexpected as we do with any phase of flight, I do not believe that
any one would argure with that. As the guys here at HIO know on a good flying
day it is busy and you don't have the luxury of all the options you and Ted are
speaking about. It is easy to get several mile away on downwind if there are
several students in the pattern in slow 150's, plus all the other arriving and
departing traffic. It is getting really congested around our airport also so I
am always looking for outs and preparing in my mind which direction I well go
and what I well do if an engine fails.
>
> Fly safe.
I agree fly safe,
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: O-290G model info. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Art Glaser <airplane@megsinet.net>
I recall reading articles in old (60's - 70's) EAA mags and books. Changes are
recommended. About I think I remember are Flange reinforcement and mags? I am
sure
more is recommended.
EddyFernan@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: EddyFernan@aol.com
>
> Does anyone have any information on the Lyc. O-290-G (ground power unit)?
> How difficult or expensive would it be to make it air-worthy? Anyone been there
> done that?
>
> Eddy Fernandez
> RV-9a
> "Electrical stuff"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Power failure with a constant speed prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Streit <wooody04@bellsouth.net>
Terry, Pull it all the way back to "course pitch" The propeller should
be windmilling (providing the engine hasn't locked up), and as long as
its turning you will have oil pressure. The oil pimp doesn't care if
the engine is driving the prop or the prop is driving the engine. You
will want to change pitch to eliminate the braking effect of the fine
pitch and extend your glide.
Jim Streit
90073
fuse
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>
>Please help me understand: You are on final with a power on approach and a
>constant speed prop. You have pushed the prop control in (fine pitch)
>either for braking or to be ready for a go-around, or both. The engine
>quits. What do you do with the prop control? Why? Does it matter (without
>power/oil pressure)?
>
>Would you do the same thing at altitude?
>
>This has been bugging me for a long time and I would appreciate comments
>from those who know.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Terry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Camille Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
I see this all the time. I do about 50 flight reviews a year. Never put
yourself in a position where your safety depends on an engine. There are
some things I hate to see my students or other pilots do:
1.Overfly an airport without knowing what runway is in use, what traffic is
in the pattern, and what is the CTAF.
2. Not have a place picked out to land ALL THE TIME.
3. Know exactly where the wind is coming from.
4. Fly in the pattern and not be able to make the runway in case the engine
quits.
When I fly dual cross country trips with my students, and I realize that
they are not prepared to land at an airport within a few miles of it, I pull
the engine. I don't care how much begging they do to add power and keep
flying, they need to learn a lesson, I make them land. I am also tired of
pilots who cannot go thru engine restarts or emergency procedures
flawlessly. Ever tried to do it while panicked?
I swear, anyone can fly an airplane. But show me someone who is truly
prepared mentally for what might happen and I am impressed.
Concerning flying tight patterns... I fly at a busy class C airport, but I
do not descend until I'm close enough to be comfortable. I like to be .5
miles out on downwind, and turn final the same distance out. At least at
most airports there are options close by such as grass fields and taxiways.
Plan accordingly. What is the percentage of accidents that are blamed on
pilot error? Unless a wing falls off I think that we can be safe, but we
have to make the effort, not excuses.
Cammie
CFII
RV7a tanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Kevin Horton wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> >>
> >>> Planning it so you HAVE TO SLIP to land is good airmanship?
> >>
> >>Not necessarily to slip--that depends on the airplane. But, yes, flying
a
> >>pattern that would allow you to make the runway if the engine
> >>fails--when there
> >>are no other factors making it undesirable--is good airmanship. Same
reason
> >>runways are designed with under-runs. How could being safer NOT be good
> >>airmanship?
> >>
> >>As for "why worry about an engine failure after a long cross-country,"
it's a
> >>straw man. Don't you look for forced landing sites or alternate
airports
> >>during the cross-country phase? Of course you do. Same princple: why
NOT do
> >>something that improves your odds of surviving the flight?
> >>
> >>Think of it this way. If you were going to start from scratch and
design a
> >>trafic pattern for one airplane at a time, and with a qualified pilot,
not an
> >>ab initio student, would you not design it--as far as practical--so that
you
> >>could make the runway engine out from any position? Of course you
would! It
> >>would be silly not to, particularly if you were designing it for an
airplane
> >>such as an RV, which can fly the pattern with significant zoom
potential.
> >>Modern, civilian traffic patterns are made large to (a) accommodate
large
> >>numbers of airplanes and (b) allow enough time for ab initio students to
keep
> >>up to the pace and, maybe, (c) allow largish airplanes to fly the same
pattern
> >>as everyone else. If none of those factors are present, there's no
reason to
> >>fly such a big pattern.
> >>
> >>Tedd McHenry
> >>Surrey, BC
> >>
> >
> >
> > I have to agree 100% with Tedd on this one. Certainly there are many
> > airports and situations where a large pattern is required in order to
> > fit in with the other traffic. But, if traffic permits, it is only
> > prudent to fly the pattern so that you can get to the runway if the
> > engine fails.
> >
>
> Kevin did you read Andy's post about always coming in tight and high so as
to
> plan a slip to landing? Really, I don't care how anyone does their thing,
but
> that is certainly not necessarily a great way to do it in an RV. IMO
> I totally agree that if traffic and airport situations allow we should
always
> plan for the unexpected as we do with any phase of flight, I do not
believe that
> any one would argure with that. As the guys here at HIO know on a good
flying
> day it is busy and you don't have the luxury of all the options you and
Ted are
> speaking about. It is easy to get several mile away on downwind if there
are
> several students in the pattern in slow 150's, plus all the other arriving
and
> departing traffic. It is getting really congested around our airport also
so I
> am always looking for outs and preparing in my mind which direction I well
go
> and what I well do if an engine fails.
>
>
> >
> > Fly safe.
>
>
> I agree fly safe,
> Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | 22DW first flight photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Fellow Listers:
Here's a link to some photos of my first flight.
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
http://www.pressenter.com/~dougweil/mnwing/id88.htm
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| Subject: | slipping to land - was RV-8 Accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Having now a bunch of time in Suzie Q, never enough, she is getting to
where she tells me what she wants me to do. We try to fly patterns all
the same, regardless of the airport. Runway lines up about there in
relationship to the wing, about that far away, slowing down to 85 on
downwind. Having flown Cubs all my life I like a pattern that is close,
but not too close. You have to get used to what it looks like from your
airplane and try to fly it the same every time. It is a challenge at our
airport as 15 is right traffic, 33 is left traffic. You get used to what
it looks like from both sides. I am THIS high and THIS far from the
runway every time. Usually.
I have followed people on downwind that are WAY out there, enough I am
not sure if they are actually in the pattern or not. (Living at an
airpark, you get to see it all.) If someone is that far out, I am behind
them but tucked in where I belong, watching them.
Turn to base when the runway is about there; slip that last
notch of flaps in. 75 on final.
THE KEY TO A GOOD LANDING IS A GOOD APPROACH. If you fly with me you
will hear me mumble 'ball'; that means I am happy with my speed, angle
of descent and where I am going to touch down on the runway. If I
haven't said it, I'm not happy yet. I use a slip to ADJUST my height,
not as a routine. My final is usually not in need of a slip for all the
above reasons. But the slip is there if I need it. And sometimes I get
base to final and how did I get way the hell up HERE, fer cryin out
loud. Easy to slip into the 'slot'. 'Ball'.
The -4 slips very well, when needed. When needed. Not as well as the
Cub, but you aren't dipping as much into the air mass. Cub doesn't have
flaps either. 40 degrees in the -4 and, if you slow her up enough you
are coming DOWN.
When practicing forced landings, I often times adjust where I am going
to get to by putting flaps at the needed degree of deflection, up or
down as needed. Watching airspeed, of course, the whole way. FLY THE
AIRPLANE.
I have places at the Home Airport that I am going to go when (?) the fan
quits. On takeoff, the pattern, and landing, both directions. Some of
the old ones now have houses on them. Progress. I now have others. Hope
not to use them, but they are there, waiting.
IMHO
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
I agree with Sean Tucker: I love to fly but I am going to do everything
I can to NOT die doing what I love to do. I don't want that in my
obituary.
Did I mention: fly a lot; get to know your airplane.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
Chris:
Can't say there is an easy way, but here is how I took mine off to return it
to Sensenich for exchange:
Obtain 2 pieces of wood to protect the prop -.
Lay the prop face up - spacer down - on the 2 pieces of wood positioned next
to the spacer - Allow enough clearance to allow the spacer to drop off the
prop without hitting the floor or table.
Locate the 2 holes the spacer anti rotation pins are in.
Use a Punch slightly smaller than the 2 pins and start alternately
hammering the anti rotation pins until the spacer drops off.
DON'T hit the prop! -
DON'T use a small Punch! You may damage the pins - They will swell up and
never come out.
Or Better Yet:
Just send it to the prop shop with the spacer on. Any good shop will
do the job and return your prop & spacer.
Don Eaves
doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
RV 6 Flying 180 + Hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Subject: RV-List: prop spacer
> --> RV-List message posted by: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
>
> Anyone know an easy way to get the prop spacer off without damage...I want
> to repitch my sensenich prop.
>
> Chris and Susie
> VH-MUM
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Hello Chris;
I simply supported the blades a few inches above a bench (padding on top of
some wood blocks) and tapped carefully with a punch on the drive pins. A
heavyish dead blow hammer is preferred. You must alternate pins freqently to
move the spacer evenly or else it will cock over and jam. (I assume we are
talking about a Sensenich propellor with a metal spacer - that what I have
and had to seperate.....)
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
RV-6A C-GKGZ (waiting for paper)
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Subject: RV-List: prop spacer
> --> RV-List message posted by: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
>
> Anyone know an easy way to get the prop spacer off without damage...I want
> to repitch my sensenich prop.
>
> Chris and Susie
> VH-MUM
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS - RAIM Prediction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
Question re my IFR certified GPS, - anyone know of a web site where I can
get GPS RAIM predictions.
At the present time I look up Notams for a nearby U.S military
airport(KNUW)they show times when GPS approaches are not approved and
correspond very closly to when I get terminal RAIM alarms here at Langley. I
would like to be able to find RAIM info for civil airports for cross country
flights. My GPS does not have RAIM prediction.
Thanks,
George McNutt
Langley, B.C.
6A - 156 hrs.
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