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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: "All Shook Up" ... and in search of help ... (KostaLewis)
2. 06:50 AM - Nose wheel problem (Don Wilson)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: "All Shook Up" ... and in search of help ... (James E. Clark)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: Nose wheel problem (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
5. 08:05 AM - Re: All shook up.... (Lockamy, Jack L NA)
6. 09:02 AM - Fuel tank schedule (Evan and Megan Johnson)
7. 12:14 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain Regional Fly-In (Wayne Reese)
8. 01:29 PM - Re: Application ()
9. 01:30 PM - Re: Nose wheel problem (Cy Galley)
10. 01:50 PM - GARAGE SALE!!! (RV6AOKC@aol.com)
11. 02:19 PM - Re: GARAGE SALE!!! (John Starn)
12. 03:27 PM - AIG Bankrupt (Stanley Blanton)
13. 04:04 PM - O-360 for sale (in Oz) (Martin Hone)
14. 04:04 PM - Re: AIG Bankrupt (Stanley Blanton)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: AIG Bankrupt (Bob Hassel)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain Regional Fly-In (Denis Walsh)
17. 07:19 PM - UPDATED GARAGE SALE.... (RV6AOKC@aol.com)
18. 07:25 PM - Hangar space available @ KHIO (Hillsboro Oregon) (Robin Wessel)
19. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: All shook up.... (James E. Clark)
20. 08:55 PM - AN fittings for fuel, etc.: torque and 818 nut size (Rick Fogerson)
21. 09:26 PM - NorCal Rvators - Saturday (Piavis)
22. 09:39 PM - Re: AN fittings for fuel, etc.: torque and 818 nut (Gil Alexander)
23. 10:01 PM - CORRECTION ...flare fittings torque - and link to good tech. (Gil Alexander)
24. 10:40 PM - Re: AIG Bankrupt (kempthornes)
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| Subject: | RE: "All Shook Up" ... and in search of help ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
What do you have on the floor where your feet rest? I had a strange
vibration and found it was exhaust pulses as they vibrated the fuselage
floor. Gotten rid of when I put heel padding under the rudders. Just
another place to consider.............
Michael
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| Subject: | Nose wheel problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Don Wilson <dcwilson@budget.net>
I have been flying my RV9A for one year now and just completed my first
condition inspection. All was well except upon removing the nose wheel
to repack the bearing, I discovered that the spacers between the nose
fork and the bearings had been rotating causing noticable wear on both
the fork and the spacer.The plans called for 7 to 10 foot lbs of torque.
I usually torque on the high side. My engineering friend alerted me
that you cannot get an accurate torque on a nylock nut. Anyhow I am
not sure if the torque was thes problem or if there was grease between
the parts that may have been a factor. There was no indication of a
problem before removing thes wheel. I cleaned the parts , torqued even
to 11 lbs, marked a spot on the spacers and went flying. No luck, the
spacers on one side had moved. My friend suggested drilling and tapping
for a set screw through the no;se fork into the spacer. A second call
to Vans confirmed this as a fix. My first call resulted in a suggetion
to add a little to the torque numbers. By the way Gus at Vans confirmed
that others have had this problem also. So this was what I
did---Drillecd for a 8-32 counter sink screw through both the nose fork
and into the spacer. Enlarged the portion in the nose fork and tapped
into the spacer, then countersink in the nose fork so the screw does
not interfere with the wheel fairing bracket. I also used a metal
locknut in place of the nylock. Hope this helps any of you that might
encounter this problem. exscuse the typing. Don
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| Subject: | RE: "All Shook Up" ... and in search of help ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
The floor has carpet and the exhausts have been checked.
Thanks,
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KostaLewis
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:42 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: "All Shook Up" ... and in search of help ...
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> What do you have on the floor where your feet rest? I had a strange
> vibration and found it was exhaust pulses as they vibrated the fuselage
> floor. Gotten rid of when I put heel padding under the rudders. Just
> another place to consider.............
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose wheel problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Thank you Don,
I am doing the same thing to an RV-9A and will incorporate this!
Fantastic timing.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Wilson
Subject: RV-List: Nose wheel problem
--> RV-List message posted by: Don Wilson <dcwilson@budget.net>
I have been flying my RV9A for one year now and just completed my first
condition inspection. All was well except upon removing the nose wheel
to repack the bearing, I discovered that the spacers between the nose
fork and the bearings had been rotating causing noticable wear on both
the fork and the spacer.The plans called for 7 to 10 foot lbs of torque.
I usually torque on the high side. My engineering friend alerted me
that you cannot get an accurate torque on a nylock nut. Anyhow I am
not sure if the torque was thes problem or if there was grease between
the parts that may have been a factor. There was no indication of a
problem before removing thes wheel. I cleaned the parts , torqued even
to 11 lbs, marked a spot on the spacers and went flying. No luck, the
spacers on one side had moved. My friend suggested drilling and tapping
for a set screw through the no;se fork into the spacer. A second call
to Vans confirmed this as a fix. My first call resulted in a suggetion
to add a little to the torque numbers. By the way Gus at Vans confirmed
that others have had this problem also. So this was what I
did---Drillecd for a 8-32 counter sink screw through both the nose fork
and into the spacer. Enlarged the portion in the nose fork and tapped
into the spacer, then countersink in the nose fork so the screw does
not interfere with the wheel fairing bracket. I also used a metal
locknut in place of the nylock. Hope this helps any of you that might
encounter this problem. exscuse the typing. Don
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| Subject: | Re: All shook up.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L NA" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Jim,
Are you using the inexpensive (approx. $35 for a set of 8) rubber conical mounts
for your engine or the Lord type Conical Engine vibration isolators that Van's
sells for about $300?
Just curious....
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
RV-7AQB N174JL reserved
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| Subject: | Fuel tank schedule |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
A quick note to those on the list contemplating having your tanks professionally built. For the first time in 6 years of building, my schedule has lightened up (PHEEEW)and as a consequence turn around times are very fast. Right now 2 weeks is not unusual........the norm is around 6 weeks. If you would rather not handle the sticky, stinkey gooey stuff, and you want super clean workmanship...now is a good time. My best references are the staff at Vans, I get most of my work as direct result of their sending me new clients. Call or email me for a quote (530)247-0375. If you email, let me know which model airplane you are building, what sending units you want installed and whether or not you want the aerobatic modifications. I also do repair work on existing tanks and I dont mind talking people through their own repairs. All of this information can also be found on my website. www.evansaviationproducts.com
Thanks a bunch.....Evan
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| Subject: | Rocky Mountain Regional Fly-In |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
Could anyone tell me more about this fly-in? I'm thinking of a 500 mile
drive, I wonder if it would be worth it and what it costs to get in etc.
Wayne R
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
zilik@direcpc.com
Subject: RV-List: Rocky Mountain Regional Fly-In
--> RV-List message posted by: "zilik@direcpc.com" <zilik@direcpc.com>
My guess is 5. Heck I don't know. I do know I'll be there. The gentleman
that hosted the barbacue no longer owns a hangar at the airport so no RV
lunch that I know of.
If you do come please read the arrival procedures this year as there is
a
temporary FAA control tower in effect. Tower frequency is 120.525
http://www.rmrfi.org/2003RMRFITowerProcedures.htm for more information
Gary Zilik
N99PZ
>How many of the list members are attending the Rocky Mountain Regional
Fly-In >in Longmont, CO. this weekend?
>There usually is a large contingent of RV's that show up as well as one
of
>Vans demo planes. This is the FLy-Ins 25th anniversary and the event is
>trying to get as many past show plane winners to come.
>There used to be a large barbacue for the RV people at one of the
hangers.
I >don't know if that is still happening or not, please let us know if
it
is.
>Hope to see you there.
>John Danielson
>RV-6 155 HRS.
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--> RV-List message posted by: <rscott@johnsonmfginc.com>
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
If you use a metal self-locking nut, consider it as a ONE time use item then
throw it away.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Wilson" <dcwilson@budget.net>
Subject: RV-List: Nose wheel problem
> --> RV-List message posted by: Don Wilson <dcwilson@budget.net>
>
> I have been flying my RV9A for one year now and just completed my first
> condition inspection. All was well except upon removing the nose wheel
> to repack the bearing, I discovered that the spacers between the nose
> fork and the bearings had been rotating causing noticable wear on both
> the fork and the spacer.The plans called for 7 to 10 foot lbs of torque.
> I usually torque on the high side. My engineering friend alerted me
> that you cannot get an accurate torque on a nylock nut. Anyhow I am
> not sure if the torque was thes problem or if there was grease between
> the parts that may have been a factor. There was no indication of a
> problem before removing thes wheel. I cleaned the parts , torqued even
> to 11 lbs, marked a spot on the spacers and went flying. No luck, the
> spacers on one side had moved. My friend suggested drilling and tapping
> for a set screw through the no;se fork into the spacer. A second call
> to Vans confirmed this as a fix. My first call resulted in a suggetion
> to add a little to the torque numbers. By the way Gus at Vans confirmed
> that others have had this problem also. So this was what I
> did---Drillecd for a 8-32 counter sink screw through both the nose fork
> and into the spacer. Enlarged the portion in the nose fork and tapped
> into the spacer, then countersink in the nose fork so the screw does
> not interfere with the wheel fairing bracket. I also used a metal
> locknut in place of the nylock. Hope this helps any of you that might
> encounter this problem. exscuse the typing. Don
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
OK folks Im doing some garage cleaning.....if you want any of the items below
drop me an email (OFFLINE PLEASE!!). I will have to add a buck or two here
and there for shipping. Hope you find something you need/want. Thanks...
1. Fluting Pliers: $20
2. WD-643-55-PC (Canopy Roll Bar Center Brace/Steel): $5
3. UMA Light Bezels. 2 1/2in and 3 1/4 in (no cutouts): $15 ea
4. Brake Flanges (Steel): $5
5. Bowden Cable Clamp (CTA-740) : $5 (have 2 of these)
6. PAI-700 Vertical Card Compass Mount (PACMO-V): $15
7. Prop Governor Plate and Gasket: $15
8. Stowaway Fuel Strainer and Mount: $5
9. Graphite Gear Leg Stiffiners: $20
10. Fuel Pump Fittings (1-90deg/2- 45 deg): $4 ea
11. Exhaust Gaskets (4-0-360): $3
12. Sam James Fiberglass 101 Video: $5
13. Centry 2000 Autopilot Install Video: $5
14. Vans "The RV Story" Video: $5
15. Oil/Fuel 45 deg restrictor fitting: $10 (fuel or oil pressure line)
16. Used USAF Issue Mens 40R Green Flight Suit: $15
Thanks again...
Kurt in OKC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: GARAGE SALE!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
If I'm not too late I'll take the flight suit. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV6AOKC@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: GARAGE SALE!!!
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
>
>
> OK folks Im doing some garage cleaning.....if you want any of the items
below
> drop me an email (OFFLINE PLEASE!!). I will have to add a buck or two
here
> and there for shipping. Hope you find something you need/want. Thanks...
>
> 1. Fluting Pliers: $20
>
> 2. WD-643-55-PC (Canopy Roll Bar Center Brace/Steel): $5
>
> 3. UMA Light Bezels. 2 1/2in and 3 1/4 in (no cutouts): $15 ea
>
> 4. Brake Flanges (Steel): $5
>
> 5. Bowden Cable Clamp (CTA-740) : $5 (have 2 of these)
>
> 6. PAI-700 Vertical Card Compass Mount (PACMO-V): $15
>
> 7. Prop Governor Plate and Gasket: $15
>
> 8. Stowaway Fuel Strainer and Mount: $5
>
> 9. Graphite Gear Leg Stiffiners: $20
>
> 10. Fuel Pump Fittings (1-90deg/2- 45 deg): $4 ea
>
> 11. Exhaust Gaskets (4-0-360): $3
>
> 12. Sam James Fiberglass 101 Video: $5
>
> 13. Centry 2000 Autopilot Install Video: $5
>
> 14. Vans "The RV Story" Video: $5
>
> 15. Oil/Fuel 45 deg restrictor fitting: $10 (fuel or oil pressure line)
>
> 16. Used USAF Issue Mens 40R Green Flight Suit: $15
>
> Thanks again...
>
> Kurt in OKC
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
Here's a link about AIG insurance going under.
Don't know if this is true or not but it might be worth checking out.
Stan
RV-6
http://www.cabo-rental.net/cherokee235/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000319.html
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| Subject: | O-360 for sale (in Oz) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
Hi all,
this is mainly for the Aussie members....
a friend of mine has a real good Lycoming O-360 A1A with 800 hrs to run, Millenium
cylinders, all accessories incl starter, alternator, vac.pump, CS unit, near
new exhaust, Dynafocal mount and baffles, plus a near new, unmarked 3-blade
CS McCauley prop and alloy spinner. Was running sweetly when pulled from Cherokee
180 recently. Suit any RV - asking AUD $29k
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
Reading the article closer it appears the agent in Oklahoma is the entity
having problems.
Stan
RV-6
>Here's a link about AIG insurance going under.
>Don't know if this is true or not but it might be worth checking out.
>Stan
>RV-6
> http://www.cabo-rental.net/cherokee235/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000319.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
I seem to recall...in my humble opinion...perhaps....
This was on another group or email list I monitor. It's a couple of local
agents for an insurance company with the same initials (AIG) but that is
supposedly the only connection. They 'forgot' to give back rebates to their
customers and got caught. The message I read said $100k was missing.
Also read where the 'real' national AIG was issuing disclaimers about there
not being any problem with them.
I've searched for the message and can't find it so maybe it wasn't, but
check before you get nervous about your coverage.
Bob Hassel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stanley Blanton
Subject: RE: RV-List: AIG Bankrupt
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
Reading the article closer it appears the agent in Oklahoma is the entity
having problems.
Stan
RV-6
>Here's a link about AIG insurance going under.
>Don't know if this is true or not but it might be worth checking out.
>Stan
>RV-6
> http://www.cabo-rental.net/cherokee235/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000319.html
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| Subject: | Re: Rocky Mountain Regional Fly-In |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com>
On 6/26/03 1:13 PM, "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
>
> Could anyone tell me more about this fly-in? I'm thinking of a 500 mile
> drive, I wonder if it would be worth it and what it costs to get in etc.
> Wayne R
>
It is only a 15 minute jaunt for us so I can't say whether it is worth 500
miles or not. I have been going for 11 years and think it is great. It is
not the biggest of the regional fly ins by a long shot, probably close to
being the smallest.
Van's will be well represented. There will be lots of RVs. Some good
forums.
The web site is http://www.rmrfi.org/
Come on out and join us!
Denis
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| Subject: | UPDATED GARAGE SALE.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
The following items are all that remain....thanks...
1. Fluting Pliers: $20
2. WD-643-55-PC (Canopy Roll Bar Center Brace/Steel): $5
3. UMA Light Bezels. 2 1/2in and 3 1/4 in (no cutouts): $15 ea
4.
5. Bowden Cable Clamp (CTA-740) : $5 (have 2 of these)
6. PAI-700 Vertical Card Compass Mount (PACMO-V): $15
7.
8. Stowaway Fuel Strainer and Mount: $5
9.
10. Fuel Pump Fittings (1-90deg/2- 45 deg): $4 ea
11.
12.
13. Centry 2000 Autopilot Install Video: $5
14. Vans "The RV Story" Video: $5
15.
16.
Thanks again...
Kurt in OKC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Hangar space available @ KHIO (Hillsboro Oregon) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net>
Oregon area pilots-
We have space available in a shared twin sized T-hangar for a
RV-3,4,6,7, project, or storage to split with another RV and a 182.
Unfortunately, RV-9's will not make it in.
Rent: 150/month
contact me off list at: robin.wessel@verizon.net or 503-330-1616 (cell)
thanks,
Robin Wessel
RV-6A, Tigard, OR
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| Subject: | Re: All shook up.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Talked to my partner and it turns out it seems we have the "cheapies"!!!
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lockamy, Jack L
> NA
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:05 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: All shook up....
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L NA"
> <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
>
> Jim,
>
> Are you using the inexpensive (approx. $35 for a set of 8)
> rubber conical mounts for your engine or the Lord type Conical
> Engine vibration isolators that Van's sells for about $300?
>
> Just curious....
>
> Jack Lockamy
> Camarillo, CA
> RV-7AQB N174JL reserved
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | AN fittings for fuel, etc.: torque and 818 nut size |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Hi Listers,
I want to buy some of those open end wrenches for sockets to torque the AN fuel,
etc. fittings (I think they call them duck feet or something like that). I need
to know the torque values and wrench size for the following AN818 nuts and/or
hose fittings:
3
4
6
8
Also, does it matter wether the fittings are aluminum or steel or a combination
of the two?
Thanks for any help,
Rick Fogerson
RV3 finish kit
Boise, ID
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| Subject: | NorCal Rvators - Saturday |
--> RV-List message posted by: Piavis <piavis@pacbell.net>
For those in Northern California:
We're planning a very informal get-together Saturday, 12:00 at Redi
Hillview, Hanger L23 (L-row). This is the first attempted assembly of this
group in a long time! Ed Cole has volunteered the use of his hangar and BBQ
grill, and I'll be bringing the burgers. If you still have an open schedule
and nowhere else to go, feel free to join us. Pleanty of parking near the
hangar and the vehicle gate should be open. If you'd like to join us, please
respond via the Yahoo board at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NorCal-rvlist/.
Direction for ground arrivals are also posted in the recent messages.
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Jim Piavis
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| Subject: | Re: AN fittings for fuel, etc.: torque and 818 nut |
size
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Rick ... the fancy wrenches for this application are here...
http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/shop1.php3?shop=Tools&dept=Hose!_End!_Wrenches
More info here...
http://www.russellperformance.com/automotive/adapters/technical_info.htm
Installation instructions here from an A&P instructional site.... with a
link at the bottom to the torque values... but the basic instructions are
for turns after finger tight, not torque...
http://avstop.com/AC/apgeneral/INSTALLATIONOFRIGIDTUBING.html
Or you could just buy a flare wrench set from Sears...which is what I did.
http://www.sears.com/sr/product/details/productdetails.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0351480837.1056688360@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccejadcijjjjmlmcehgcemgdffmdflf.0&vertical=TOOL&prod_id=00942012000&fromAuto=YES&bidsite
Sears Item #00942012000 if the above long link doesn't work....:
)
...hope this helps
gil in Tucson
At 09:57 PM 6/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
>Hi Listers,
>I want to buy some of those open end wrenches for sockets to torque the AN
>fuel, etc. fittings (I think they call them duck feet or something like
>that). I need to know the torque values and wrench size for the following
>AN818 nuts and/or hose fittings:
>
>3
>4
>6
>8
>
>Also, does it matter wether the fittings are aluminum or steel or a
>combination of the two?
>
>Thanks for any help,
>Rick Fogerson
>RV3 finish kit
>Boise, ID
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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| Subject: | CORRECTION ...flare fittings torque - and link to good tech. |
document
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Sorry guys - correction to previous message
... the previous finger tight and then turn comment should have been for
FLARELESS tubing fittings
http://www.avstop.com/AC/apgeneral/INSTALLATIONOFRIGIDTUBING.html
The correct torque table for our FLARED fittings is in the center of the page.
BTW this whole document is very useful, and should be book marked...
http://www.avstop.com/AC/apgeneral/
A lot of really good technical information is in this document.
gil in Tucson
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hardly! They are trying to buy another company for 2.15 billion dollars.
hal
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