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1. 04:19 AM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Kevin Horton)
2. 05:11 AM - Off list (Wheeler North)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Dana Overall)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Dana Overall)
5. 05:40 AM - 7 fuselage questions. (Dana Overall)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Doug Rozendaal)
7. 05:50 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes (Nels Hanson)
8. 05:57 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes (Bruce Gray)
9. 06:00 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes (Michael D. Crowe)
10. 06:04 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes/IMHO (Nels Hanson)
11. 06:05 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!) (Nels Hanson)
12. 06:14 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!) (Nels Hanson)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Camille Patch)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: RV7A TIP UP (Elsa & Henry)
15. 08:52 AM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Kevin Horton)
16. 09:19 AM - Re: low power mystery on RV7A?? (glenn williams)
17. 09:56 AM - Re: 7 fuselage questions. (Dan Checkoway)
18. 10:00 AM - Re: Seats (bert murillo)
19. 10:02 AM - Re: Seats (bert murillo)
20. 10:13 AM - tow bar (bert murillo)
21. 10:20 AM - Failure messages... (bert murillo)
22. 10:54 AM - Formation Clinic at POU (Stuart B McCurdy)
23. 11:32 AM - Re: Failure messages... (kempthornes)
24. 11:59 AM - Re: my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!) (John Starn)
25. 12:08 PM - Lightspeed problem... (Ken Balch)
26. 12:24 PM - [ Gary Zilik ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
27. 01:14 PM - Re: Don't Turn Back (Dana Overall)
28. 01:33 PM - 6/7/9 cowling (Im7shannon@aol.com)
29. 01:42 PM - Re: Don't Turn Back (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
30. 01:53 PM - Re: Lightspeed problem... (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
31. 02:10 PM - Navaid Servo Installation (Jack Lockamy)
32. 02:18 PM - Re: 7 fuselage questions. (Geoff Evans)
33. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: 7 fuselage questions. (Dan Checkoway)
34. 04:26 PM - Another RV-6A Flys (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
35. 05:27 PM - Re: 6/7/9 cowling (aronsond)
36. 05:58 PM - Interior painting - was -- 7 fuselage questions. (Gil Alexander)
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Sam Buchanan wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>
>> Dana Overall wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>In addition to the loss of lift by turning into a tailwind,
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Uh, oh......who's gonna take this one? ;-)
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>
>I was going to ask Dana to expand on it a bit first. :-)
>
>This old horse has been beat so many times there is not
>much left of it.
>
>Jerry
>
There has been so much written on the downwind turn myth that if
people still believe in it there seems to be no hope of changing
their opinion.
I'd like to take one of these guys up above an overcast layer on a
day with a strong wind at altitude and do some low speed turns. If
we had 40 kt of wind at altitude, we should lose 80 kts during the
turn from upwind to downwind, right :) And if you believe that, I've
got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=27
http://www.djaerotech.com/dj_askjd/dj_questions/downwind.html
http://www.beegroup.com/eaachapter7/newsletters/Mar01.PDF (page 5)
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Well,
I'm off list for a while, like you all really care, but I just wanted to rub
it in that I'm leaving for EAANW Arlington Flyin and Airshow.
Hope to see you all there.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
><snip>
> > In addition to the loss of lift by turning into a tailwind,
><snip>
>
>Uh, oh......who's gonna take this one? ;-)
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
Poor assembly of individual words in an attempt to form sentence
structure.....after a couple of July 4th. beverages:-) No use beating this
dead horse as I believe the carcass has returned to basic carbon..........
For goodness sakes though, bend the airplane, don't mangle yourself.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>I'd like to take one of these guys up above an overcast layer on a
>day with a strong wind at altitude and do some low speed turns. If
>we had 40 kt of wind at altitude, we should lose 80 kts during the
>turn from upwind to downwind, right :) And if you believe that, I've
>got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Well, that was a little holier than thou statement. I guess a 60 degree
bank turn back to the runway with prevailing winds not flowing over the
wings will not increase the stall speed of the airplane at
all......hum......If you believe it won't, I don't want to be above the
cloud layer with you. Please read the entire text, not just one item.
I guess all my commercial, IFR, high performance and complex training just
got upped by a bridge seller.
I could handle Sam and Jerry's light hearted comments, but this one I took a
little personnally. I'm hoping this was just one of those "it didn't come
across like I wanted it too" forum things. End of the subject for me, time
to move on.
I'll stick to my guns, bend the airplane, don't mangle yourself.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | 7 fuselage questions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
All you 7 or 9 guys out there, before I go to joining fuselage sub
assemblies together I'd like your input on little things that would have
made your life easier had you done them, ie. drilling wiring holes, etc.
Just thinking a little hindsight will be useful here.
And you guys thought it was going to be 7 questions.............
Thanks,
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I too agree that there are no physics that support the downwind turn, but
there are visual perceptions that have kept this old dog from dying for 100
years this year.
The pilot sees what is happening versus the ground and percieves what is
happening aerodynamically, and responds to it.
Let's suppose the fire goes out after takeoff from a fairly short runway and
the pilot attempts a turn back into a brisk wind. The pilot imeadiately
becomes concerned about running off the far end, tightens up the turn and
the family makes funeral arrangements.
Even though there is no such thing as a downwind turn, (and there isn't) it
is still another good reason not to turn back.
Tailwinds
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Don't Turn Back
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Sam Buchanan wrote:
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dana Overall wrote:
> >>
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>In addition to the loss of lift by turning into a tailwind,
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Uh, oh......who's gonna take this one? ;-)
> >>
> >> Sam Buchanan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I was going to ask Dana to expand on it a bit first. :-)
> >
> >This old horse has been beat so many times there is not
> >much left of it.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
>
> There has been so much written on the downwind turn myth that if
> people still believe in it there seems to be no hope of changing
> their opinion.
>
> I'd like to take one of these guys up above an overcast layer on a
> day with a strong wind at altitude and do some low speed turns. If
> we had 40 kt of wind at altitude, we should lose 80 kts during the
> turn from upwind to downwind, right :) And if you believe that, I've
> got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
>
> http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=27
> http://www.djaerotech.com/dj_askjd/dj_questions/downwind.html
> http://www.beegroup.com/eaachapter7/newsletters/Mar01.PDF (page 5)
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
>
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| Subject: | my view of accidents/parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
least it will be first time today. See you at OSH!
--- KostaLewis <mikel@dimensional.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis"
> <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> An easier installation and one that has been tried
> before and works
> quite well is the personal BRS. A parachute. I think
> the BRS systems may
> be better for a 4 place aircraft that you wouldn't
> want four people
> trying to egress with packs in place. I can't
> imagine a situation that a
> BRS system would be better than a parachute in an
> RV, if you were
> inclined to do something such as that to "enhance"
> personal safety. As
> previously stated, situations that a BRS would be
> effective in would be
> far and few between. Which means you would be
> carrying around 60 pounds
> of dead weight that would be expensive to replace
> every 5 years (isn't
> that the recommendation?). Which would leave about
> 10-20 pounds for
> baggage. Now that would be a useful airplane.
>
> Personal safety can be enhanced by staying current
> (flying a lot),
> training, and staying out of situations that would
> necessitate blowing a
> parachute out of your baggage compartment (don't
> mess with Mother
> Nature). You can only go so far before there is a
> diminishing return on
> what you do to protect yourself. A tail-heavy RV
> with a false sense of
> security hanging out in the baggage compartment may
> not be the best
> idea. Sounds good to the lay public/uninformed but
> may not be what it is
> idealized to be. No offense to the Cirrus folks;
> they have a good
> product going.
>
> IMHO
>
> Michael
>
>
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| Subject: | my view of accidents/parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
IMHO stands for "In My Humble Opinion".
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nels Hanson
Subject: RE: RV-List: my view of accidents/parachutes
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
least it will be first time today. See you at OSH!
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| Subject: | my view of accidents/parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Crowe" <tripacer@bellsouth.net>
IMHO "In My Humble Opinion"
I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
least it will be first time today. See you at OSH!
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| Subject: | my view of accidents/parachutes/IMHO |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
--- Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray"
> <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> IMHO stands for "In My Humble Opinion".
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Nels Hanson
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: my view of
> accidents/parachutes
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson
> <pa201950@yahoo.com>
>
> I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
> STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
> least it will be first time today. See you at OSH!
>
>
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| Subject: | my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
--- "Michael D. Crowe" <tripacer@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Crowe"
> <tripacer@bellsouth.net>
>
> IMHO "In My Humble Opinion"
>
> I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
> STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
> least it will be first time today. See you at OSH!
> do not archive
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| Subject: | my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Thanks to all for responding,now I feel like an idiot
for asking. I should have asked my kids. Oh,by the way
for you rivet pounders-coming back from a trip
yesterday,I was at 5,500 ft. in my RV-6,just on top of
some cumulous,under flight following and discussing an
upcoming cookout with the controller,when I told him
to expect some erratic flight paths from me for about
10 minutes as I played in the canyons in the sky. What
an experience!! Flying through "keyholes" in the
clouds and climbing over "mountains" and sliding down
the other side and cutting the edges of the clouds
with part of a wing,while planning my next "attack" on
the cloud 1,500 ft. ahead and 300 ft. higher. Keep
pounding those dang rivets.(Oh,before someone asks-I
am IFR rated and so is my RV-6!)The controller knew
what I was doing because I asked and he said OK. They
are people too!! After I started flying straight
again,he asked me "how was it?". I told him it was
exhilerating,and he told me he was building a -7 and
was envious. Kind of a nice thing to remember the
Fourth of July 2003 by!
--- "Michael D. Crowe" <tripacer@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Crowe"
> <tripacer@bellsouth.net>
>
> IMHO "In My Humble Opinion"
>
> I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
> STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
> least it will be first time today. See you at OSH!
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Camille Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
The only way you can factor in the wind is in ground distance and ground
speed. Remember, you are flying in a pocket of air, the airplane doesn't
care what the earth is doing beneath it until you get to the ground. There
is no loss of lift in a turn, downwind or otherwise unless there is wind
shear.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Don't Turn Back
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> I don't like to respond to these threads but as Doug so pointedly
> illustrated, there is a reason these turns are called "dead man turns".
> In addition to the loss of lift by turning into a tailwind, as bank angle
is
> increased (as in pucker factor) to 60 degrees, the G load is doubled on
the
> wings thereby increasing the stall speed dramatically. The lost of lift
> passing through the 90 degree turn through a headwind and one is looking
> directly at the ground as a result of low wing wingtip stall thereby
giving
> the soon to be non pilot a clear view of the world upside down with the
hard
> stuff rapidly approaching. It took an engine to get that high, what in
the
> world makes you think you can make a 230 plus turn with a 50 to end it
with
> a tailwind. It's a dead man's turn, go straight ahead and bend the
> airplane, it can be replaced..........you can't!! If you have not taken
> commercial training, please do so, it truly teaches you to fly the
airplane
> on the low end of it's envelope.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
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>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
You have the same problem on the -7 as I had on the -6A!--? When I fitted
the nose skin, (my 1994 vintage manual calls it the "Forward top fuselage
skin"), I found the fitting instructions there-in a bunch of nonsense!
It said that the design of the instrument sub-panel (F-668 on the -6) was
such, to be perpendicular to the skin therefore the aft edge should need no
trimming. Well for sure, that if the firewall was the same width as the
sub-panel, that would be a true statement, but it's not! As the firewall is
narrower than the F-668 the skin becomes conical in shape and the base of
all cones are not straight! End of basic geometry 101.
So I fitted it per plans and clecoed it in place and then when I built the
canopy, I trimmed it to match the nose skin. The problem was that I did not
rivet the nose skin until all wiring and work done below it was complete. My
situation was compounded by the fact you can not have clecoes where they
would interfere with opening and closing of the canopy so my problem
outlined below was not detected earlier because the nose skin was not down
tight to the F-668 bulkhead in that critical area
After riveting down the nose-skin and trying the canopy fit, I found myself
locked-in,--couldn't open the canopy because it was binding against the nose
skin (trimmed too tight). Luckily I was able to climb out through the window
(not installed yet, a good thing too and I recommend any builder not to
install it until they have checked out their canopy for final fit) Anyway I
was able to get it open and trim it OK.There is another contributor to
binding if you have snug fit between the skins:
The pivot line of the J-Hook hinges is below the skin line, therefore there
is a slight forward motion as you open the canopy which will exacerbate the
binding until clear.
Cheers!-----Henry Hoer
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
>>I'd like to take one of these guys up above an overcast layer on a
>>day with a strong wind at altitude and do some low speed turns. If
>>we had 40 kt of wind at altitude, we should lose 80 kts during the
>>turn from upwind to downwind, right :) And if you believe that, I've
>>got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
>
>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>
>
>Well, that was a little holier than thou statement. I guess a 60 degree
>bank turn back to the runway with prevailing winds not flowing over the
>wings will not increase the stall speed of the airplane at
>all......hum......If you believe it won't, I don't want to be above the
>cloud layer with you. Please read the entire text, not just one item.
>
>I guess all my commercial, IFR, high performance and complex training just
>got upped by a bridge seller.
>
>I could handle Sam and Jerry's light hearted comments, but this one I took a
>little personnally. I'm hoping this was just one of those "it didn't come
>across like I wanted it too" forum things. End of the subject for me, time
>to move on.
>
>I'll stick to my guns, bend the airplane, don't mangle yourself.
>
>Dana Overall
Dana,
Sorry if this came across the wrong way. It was meant to be a bit of
humour, not a personal attack. I guess I've gotten a bit tired of
the downwind turn myth over the years.
Sure, if you are turning, the stall speed will be increased because
you have more than 1g on the aircraft. That will happen exactly the
same whether you are turning upwind or downwind, or in no wind at
all. And I agree that it is one of the many reasons why a turn back
after an engine failure may be a fatal mistake.
Your original post seems to indicate that you believe that one of the
dangers of turning back to the runway after an engine failure is that
there will be a loss of lift when turning downwind. If you were not
trying to say that, then please accept my apology for
misunderstanding your post.
If you were trying to say that there is a loss of lift when turning
downwind, then I suggest you go flying some day when the winds are
strong at altitude. Climb high enough to get up where there is no
turbulence. Do some turns at a low speed. If there was a loss of
lift when turning downwind, you should see the airspeed decrease, and
the aircraft want to descend. When you turn upwind, the airspeed
should increase, and the aircraft would want to climb. I'm betting
that you will observe that the airspeed and altitude will be fairly
constant during this manoeuvre, assuming a reasonably competent
pilot. Do you accept that this will be true, or do you need to
actually try the experiment?
I certainly agree with you that it is a very bad and dangerous idea
to try to turn back after an engine failure, unless you have a whole
bunch of altitude to work with.
Truce?
Kevin Horton
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| Subject: | Re: low power mystery on RV7A?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
Reading your post it appears to me that the engine is
making power. Am I reading your post wrong? If the
engine is making power and the airspeed is low could
it be drag induced? Just asking.
Glenn Williams
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--- Eustace Bowhay <ebowhay@jetstream.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay"
> <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
>
> Talked to Bart Lalonde at Aero Sport Power and
> since this has been a
> problem since installation he says there may be a
> possibility that the cam
> is out of time. Give him a call at 250 376 1223 and
> he would be happy to
> help solve the problem.
>
> Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Dwpetrus@aol.com>
> To: <RV-LIST@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: low power mystery on RV7A??
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
> >
> > My friends RV7A is suffering from extreme low
> power. His airplane is
> 35mph
> > slower than my RV8A and it climbs like a loaded
> Skyhawk. At 2500 rpm and
> 25
> > inches man. pres. he is getting about 150mph at
> 5000 ft. He also has to
> lean
> > the mixture about half way out to keep it running
> smooth on the ground and
> at
> > low altitudes. He has a Superior EXP 360 with
> fuel injection (180hp) and
> lasar
> > ignition and a new 3 blade MT prop from Van's. We
> have checked the RPM at
> all
> > ranges with a hand held tach and have verified
> that his MP reads the same
> as
> > mine with the engines off on the ground. He has
> already swapped fuel
> injector
> > servos twice and talked with the people at
> American in Dallas where he
> bought
> > the engine numerous times. They promised to put
> him in touch with an
> engine
> > guru soon, but I would welcome any suggestions
> from the group. I don't
> > understand how he could be getting that type of
> power indications and not
> making the
> > power?
> >
> > Wayne Petrus
> > RV8A
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 7 fuselage questions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Drill for every snap bushing option that Van's suggests on the plan (look
carefully), and then run at least one length of conduit under the floors
between the seat skin area and F-706.
Buy a bunch of SB625-8 snap bushings. Toss the 625-7s that Van's gives you.
You get an extra 16th for more wire run space with the same hole.
Buy the firewall forward kit DRAWINGS before assembling your firewall
(including the Odyssey PC-680 install kit, or at least its drawing). You
will end up drilling out a lot of rivets otherwise, and also end up having
to machine countersink as opposed to dimple. This is for stuff like rivets
holding reinforcement plates for contactors and any other doodads you end up
mounting on your firewall.
Proseal the firewall flange/side skin overlap area when you go to assemble
the fuselage for riveting.
Don't use AKZO for a primer on the cabin area...use something that can take
a top coat, if you use any primer at all.
Don't rivet the seat skin attach nutplates on the outboard-most seat ribs
until after the side skins are riveted on. Otherwise you have a bucking
interference issue.
When joining the center fuselage with the aft fuselage, leave the baggage
skins off. Easier to reach in to work the "sandwich" area that way.
There's more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head...if
you're bored you can peruse the site (http://www.rvproject.com).
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: 7 fuselage questions.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> All you 7 or 9 guys out there, before I go to joining fuselage sub
> assemblies together I'd like your input on little things that would have
> made your life easier had you done them, ie. drilling wiring holes, etc.
> Just thinking a little hindsight will be useful here.
>
> And you guys thought it was going to be 7 questions.............
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
That is what I did, except I did not put the Http://
I do not know if that is absolutely necessary...
Thanks
Bert
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
John:
What was your message, I received nothing
Bert
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
I place this before but for some reason, did not go
thru.
Which is the best tow bar to use on the Rv6a, I believed, some one mention
that there are two tow bars
we can use..
Suggestions, as to the least work, to modify them
to fit our rv...
Thanks for the comments..
Bert
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| Subject: | Failure messages... |
--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
Recently I started getting, Failure messages, when
I post a message, it says something like, server
not found,, or something in that line..
Never had this trouble, before, after years of
posting to the list...
The respond I get on the screen, is your messages
has been sucessfully.....
But then later I receive the failure message on the
mail...
Any of you experts on P>C> mysteries,,have some answers?
Thanks
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Formation Clinic at POU |
--> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy@att.net>
Formation Listers,
I have been asked by the Old Rhinebeck group to do some evaluations for
formation cards. Also, Scott Jordan and others have asked for
evaluations in the New York/New England area. So, since I will be there
we thought we would also conduct a formation clinic for any who would
like to participate. Mike Stewart from Team RV and possibly Joe
Czachorowski from Mid Atlantic Wg will be there to assist.
The formation clinic will be conducted 12-13 July at Poughkeepsie (POU)
NY starting at 0800. It will start with instructional briefings and
then practice flights. Scott Jordan will play host. If you would like
to participate, contact Scott <N733JJ@cs.com> for reservations and CC me
<sturdy@att.net> so we know how many to anticipate. There will be a
nominal charge for expenses.
Stu McCurdy
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| Subject: | Re: Failure messages... |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hi Bert,
This message means that the server was not found. Big help,
huh? Somewhere in the world a server (computer) was not found. Many
reasons possible most likely the computer was not on line. I suspect older
machines, increasing operating costs, technicians spread to thin etc.
Reminds me of "Gee, Doctor, I've never had to have glasses to read
before". :-)
Just resend the message.
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hal
At 05:19 PM 7/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
>Hi:
>
>Recently I started getting, Failure messages, when
>I post a message, it says something like, server
>not found,, or something in that line..
>
>
> Never had this trouble, before, after years of
>posting to the list...
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| Subject: | Re: my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
OR: IMNSHO (In My Not So Humble Opinion), the one I use most times. Do Not
Archive. KABONG 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels Hanson" <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: my view of accidents/parachutes--IMHO (I've got it!)
> > I can't stand it any longer,WHAT THE HECK DOES IMHO
> > STAND FOR?? I'm sure I will be embarrassed,but at
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| Subject: | Lightspeed problem... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@comcast.net>
Well, it seems as though my Lightspeed electronic ignition is having
problems. I have one Lightspeed (in place of my right magneto) and one
Slick magneto. The other day, on the last leg of my flight back from
Oregon, I noticed that my oil temp was down, CHT was down, EGT was up &
fuel flow was up. I tried switching off the Lightspeed and nothing
changed. I then switched off the magneto and the engine almost died
before I could flip the switch back up.
I continued on to an uneventful landing at my home field (the best
landing of the trip!). When I pulled the cowling to check things out, I
discovered that all fwf connections for the Lightspeed hardware were
intact. Also, the fuse in the circuit was good. So... What could the
problem be? Does the Lightspeed electronic ignition have any total
failure modes that would account for my situation?
I'll call Lightspeed on Monday, but any info before then would be of
interest...
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
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| Subject: | [ Gary Zilik ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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o Main Photo Share Index
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Turn Back |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Not a problem on this end Keven. Forums can be a nasty format for words to
come across and be taken wrong. I've certainly done enough flying to
understand the concepts involved. The jest of my post was high angle of
attack, low airspeed, probably heavy with fuel and cranking it around to
make the runway thereby loading up the wings and suddenly seeing the hard
stuff out the top of the canopy.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Im7shannon@aol.com
If anyone has a not needed sxs cowling for sale in any condition please
contact me off list. Needed for scratch build project.
Thanks
Kevin Shannon
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tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,
USER_IN_WHITELIST
autolearn=ham version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Dana I took them as light hearted comments. They were playing with you.
I'd of taken a crack at you but they beat me to it.
Mike Stewart
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Overall
Subject: Re: RV-List: Don't Turn Back
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>I'd like to take one of these guys up above an overcast layer on a
>day with a strong wind at altitude and do some low speed turns. If
>we had 40 kt of wind at altitude, we should lose 80 kts during the
>turn from upwind to downwind, right :) And if you believe that, I've
>got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Well, that was a little holier than thou statement. I guess a 60 degree
bank turn back to the runway with prevailing winds not flowing over the
wings will not increase the stall speed of the airplane at
all......hum......If you believe it won't, I don't want to be above the
cloud layer with you. Please read the entire text, not just one item.
I guess all my commercial, IFR, high performance and complex training
just
got upped by a bridge seller.
I could handle Sam and Jerry's light hearted comments, but this one I
took a
little personnally. I'm hoping this was just one of those "it didn't
come
across like I wanted it too" forum things. End of the subject for me,
time
to move on.
I'll stick to my guns, bend the airplane, don't mangle yourself.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Lightspeed problem... |
tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,
USER_IN_WHITELIST
autolearn=ham version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Ken sounds similar to my problem.
You can read my problem and solution here:
http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/flying/elecign/elecign.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Balch
Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed problem...
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@comcast.net>
Well, it seems as though my Lightspeed electronic ignition is having
problems. I have one Lightspeed (in place of my right magneto) and one
Slick magneto. The other day, on the last leg of my flight back from
Oregon, I noticed that my oil temp was down, CHT was down, EGT was up &
fuel flow was up. I tried switching off the Lightspeed and nothing
changed. I then switched off the magneto and the engine almost died
before I could flip the switch back up.
I continued on to an uneventful landing at my home field (the best
landing of the trip!). When I pulled the cowling to check things out, I
discovered that all fwf connections for the Lightspeed hardware were
intact. Also, the fuse in the circuit was good. So... What could the
problem be? Does the Lightspeed electronic ignition have any total
failure modes that would account for my situation?
I'll call Lightspeed on Monday, but any info before then would be of
interest...
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
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| Subject: | Navaid Servo Installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Lockamy" <jacklockamy@att.net>
To the List,
Trying to decide whether to install my Navaid Autopilot servo in the RT wing aileron
bellcrank bay or out on the wingtip as shown at Sam Buchanan's website.
Anybody got any photos of their installation into the bellcrank bay in a -7 or
-8?
Thanks,
Jack Lockamy
RV-7AQB
Camarillo, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 7 fuselage questions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
>>
Don't use AKZO for a primer on the cabin area...use something that can take
a top coat, if you use any primer at all.
<<
Have you had a problem painting over the Akzo?
I posted a question about interior primers and paints several months ago, and
I specifically asked about Akzo. Several people replied and none of them
indicated a problem painting over the Akzo.
Some of my interior is primed with Akzo, some with NAPA 7220 self-etch, and a
lot with whatever Vans uses on quickbuild kits. I haven't started painting
the interior top coat yet, but I plan to do that soon. I sure hope I don't
have a problem with the Akzo...
-Geoff
RV-8 QB fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 7 fuselage questions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Have you had a problem painting over the Akzo?
Nope, not specifically...I had just read in the specs on Dexter's site that
it's not designed to take a top coat. In my case I sanded it down,
re-primed, and then painted.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Another RV-6A Flys |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
RV-6A # 24731 , N731RH , had its' final inspection Friday,July 4. First three
test flights were flown from Booneville,Arkansas airport on Saturday,July 5 (
2.2 Hours). Raymond Wells of Charleston,Arkansas is the builder(For 7+
years). Test flights by Bob Olds of Charleston,Arkansas, Rays neighbor and EAA
Tech.
advisor.
The Booneville Airport had an all day playday and Beef Brisket lunch. Chase
plane by Mike Wyrick,Booneville Airport commission chairman and up-close and
personal video tape by Bill Tucker,airport manager.
RV Grins ALL over the place.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: 6/7/9 cowling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "aronsond" <aronsond@pacbell.net>
Kevin:
Our EAA chapter was donated an untouched RV-6 cowling. It is the type that
requires the mating of the intake port with the lower cowling. Make us an
offer and I will take it to the board. {If it is what you need}
Dave Aronson
RV4 N504rv
Eaa Chapter 1230 (www.eaa1230.org)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Im7shannon@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: 6/7/9 cowling
> --> RV-List message posted by: Im7shannon@aol.com
>
> If anyone has a not needed sxs cowling for sale in any condition please
> contact me off list. Needed for scratch build project.
> Thanks
> Kevin Shannon
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Interior painting - was -- 7 fuselage questions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Guys,
It is an interior "fluid resistant" primer and is not designed for
a topcoat...
However, one option recommended by the early users of AKZO -- when
it was Dexter and you bought it with a MacDonald Douglas spec. straight
from the distributor -- was to rub it down with ScotchBrite and acetone
just before painting. The acetone will not dissolve the primer, but it
will slightly soften it, and the ScotchBrite will give a little tooth to
the surface. They did not use any intermediate paint coat, just put the
color straight over the AKZO.... Some of these early RVs where show
winners, and no-one has since complained about the paint not bonding.
gil in Tucson ... with some very old Dexter primed parts...
At 03:35 PM 7/5/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > Have you had a problem painting over the Akzo?
>
>Nope, not specifically...I had just read in the specs on Dexter's site that
>it's not designed to take a top coat. In my case I sanded it down,
>re-primed, and then painted.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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