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1. 12:43 AM - Nelson Flightfest 2003 Sept 6-7, 2003 (Terence Gannon)
2. 01:08 AM - Dukes pump fittings (Russ Werner)
3. 04:04 AM - Re: Dynon: BAD ASS (RV8ter@aol.com)
4. 04:32 AM - Re: Quick Build vs Slow Build-OT (Dana Overall)
5. 04:58 AM - Re: Dynon: BAD ASS (Dana Overall)
6. 06:34 AM - Empennage Kit For Sale (Doug Landmann)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: Mattituck TMX O/IO-360 (Brad Benson)
8. 07:44 AM - to all eCharts customers; and a bit of rambling (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: Quick Build vs Slow Build-OT (DANIEL W WATTERS)
10. 09:35 AM - Re: Dynon (Dan Checkoway)
11. 11:19 AM - Poughkeepsie (POU) Formation Clinic (Stuart B McCurdy)
12. 12:00 PM - Re: rv seats (Phil Birkelbach)
13. 01:38 PM - Seats (Becki Orndorff)
14. 01:56 PM - Re: rv seats (Kosta Lewis)
15. 02:02 PM - Re: Seats ()
16. 03:23 PM - To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Mike Stephenson)
17. 03:43 PM - Re: Dynon (Kevin Horton)
18. 03:45 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question ()
19. 03:54 PM - interiors/seats (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
20. 04:51 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (RV6 Flyer)
21. 04:53 PM - 0360 sump (RVer273sb@aol.com)
22. 04:56 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Mike Stephenson)
23. 05:24 PM - DC Load Center (William Reeves)
24. 05:36 PM - Re: DC Load Center (Kyle Boatright)
25. 05:37 PM - RV10 update (Brian Denk)
26. 05:52 PM - Re: DC Load Center (RV6 Flyer)
27. 05:52 PM - Aviation Businesses (Was Seats) (Paul Besing)
28. 06:11 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Cy Galley)
29. 06:21 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (chris m)
30. 06:27 PM - RV10 Price (chris m)
31. 06:35 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question ()
32. 07:18 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Cy Galley)
33. 07:47 PM - Cowl hinge (Charlie Kuss)
34. 07:52 PM - Re: Mattituck TMX O/IO-360 (HalBenjamin@aol.com)
35. 08:05 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Mike Stephenson)
36. 08:32 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Tracy Crook)
37. 08:42 PM - Re: DC Load Center (kempthornes)
38. 08:44 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question ()
39. 08:44 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Cy Galley)
40. 08:59 PM - Re: DC Load Center (James E. Clark)
41. 09:14 PM - Re: Fuel Line Grommets, was: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (Curt Reimer)
42. 11:18 PM - Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question (chris m)
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| Subject: | Nelson Flightfest 2003 Sept 6-7, 2003 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
For those of you that might still be in the area the weekend after Van's
Homecoming, this is an event you might consider putting on your fly-in
calendar and taking in. Looks like a lot of fun, and a beautiful
location in the Kootenays, in British Columbia. Great accommodation and
amenities are all within walking distance of the airport. Here's the
link;
http://www.flynorth.com/nelson.html
There's a link at the bottom of the page if you have any additional
questions. Hope to see you there!! Cheers.
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings"
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| Subject: | Dukes pump fittings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Werner" <russ@wernerworld.com>
Anyone have a p/n for the fittings on the Dukes fuel pump? It looks like a
7/16
threaded universal and probably needs an o-ring too. Help!
Russ Werner
HRII
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon: BAD ASS |
RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
It looks smaller in the panel photo than I thought it actually was but it
also looks like a great panel space saver and just outright cool.
Anyway, if my intent was strictly night vfr mission capable, what flight
instruments would I *need* other than this unit?
Would one trust airspeed and vertical velocity solely to this unit and
completely do away with dedicated gauges?
Dan, I see you have separate airspeed and altimeter gauges. Why bother?
Requirement for IFR not to use this product as sole source of info or just not
want to put that much faith into the new product?
lucky
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build vs Slow Build-OT |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
Can't think of any better year than this one for Osh.
>If I was only going to go once in my life this is the year for it.
>Portions delete for the sake of privacy:-)
Lots of reasons
>to go and lots of ways to spend money.
>
For some strange reason, I'm figuring Daniel wanted this email to be
private:-). As a total side note, we used to have a great time with the
bombing run Daniel mentioned in the not so private part of his email. We
knew the sch. and if we wanted to play, we would go up to 500 feet or so
above the planned route altitude. You could see the black exhause from
miles away and then you could hear the tone over the radio. We would wait
until the B52s finished their run and the "Swope" down from above blasting
away with wing gun noises blazing...........we were smart enough to stay
above to avoid turbulance. The pilots got so used to the game, they would
wave from the cockpit as they zoomed past with their Dave Clarks on. They
flew just off the departure end of 18 and on occasion got off couse a little
and buzzed the FBO on their low altitude runs sometimes passing underneath
someone in the pattern. Considering this was a very active college aviation
airport that made for some interesting touch and goes for those 18 year old
college freshmen.
BTW, I'm feeling a little sore from all this fuselage work. I just may need
a therapist after camping a few days on the ground at Oshkosh, anybody know
an available one in the area??;)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon: BAD ASS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Lucky, I know this post was directed at Dan but I'll chime in with what I am
going to put in my IFR panel. I am also using no gyros but I did want some
old style instruments just in case. Dan will have his well thought out
reasons for his instruments.
My engine moniter will take the place of a tach. If I lose all electrics,
even from my essential buss all I've got to do is keep the engine running
screw knowing how fast it is turning all I'm looking for is an airspeed. I
am going to install a turn coordinator over a turn and bank just because
that is what I learned to use in partial panel when I got my instrument
ticket. I will also install a VSI just as a reference for tendency.
Somewhere in there I'll install a NAV head for ILS approaches but that is
not a primary flight instrument. Since I am only using the COM out of the
Garmin 430, I am not installing an audio panel, I'll use a handheld as
backup, Once again not primary but a weight and cost savings.
If I lose total electric and at the same time my Dynon goes belly up (course
if this happens it just be my day to go anyway), I can still reference
airspeed and altitude from my handheld GPS. If all I lose is my Dynon, my
Garmin 430, my EIS, my handheld GPS, TC and VIS will provide me with all the
redundency I need. Add in the autopilot and I'm still dirty side down.
Like I said, if I lose total electrics, ebuss included, my Dynon battery
blows up, my handheld 196 GPS kicks the bucket all while I'm buried deep in
the soup..............well, I figure that's the day when the big ol air
traffic controller in the sky just pulled my ticket, it was meant to be!!
I'm going to have the worlds most boring looking panel from the outside to
the uninformed. Let me fire it up and my three stack of Dynon, 430 and EIS
or digital transponder, at least for me, it's going to be cool and
effective. This panel is going to be so much better than my IFR, autopilot
Bonanza panel, hands down!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Empennage Kit For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Landmann <douglandmann@wi.rr.com>
RV-6/6A Empenage kit. Complete, never started. Early, not pre-punched.
$700. Located 70 mi. S. of Oshkosh.
Gerald Thorpe (262) 593-5470. thorpe@netwurx.net
Please contact Gerald Thorpe off list or by phone.
Do Not Archive.
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| Subject: | Mattituck TMX O/IO-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
I guess I am not that impressed by their site, especially compared to what Superior has done on theirs (www.xp-360.com), but it's hard to judge the engine by the web site I suppose. I am looking forward to speaking with them at Oshkosh, especially since the pricing on the Superior engine is good through September 4th - plenty of time to decide. Ultimately, I guess I'd really like Superior to make a 180HP IO-360 available for under $20k, like Mattituck has done.
Cheers,
Brad "Sharpie" Benson
RV6AQB underway...
"Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 7/9/2003 at 11:53 PM Vincent Himsl wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
>
>Hello,
>I too am looking for an engine. After reading their web site, I emailed
>Mattituck with some questions. Their reply was to read their web site...not
>a good beginning.
>
>Vince Himsl
>RV8 SB Fuselage
>Moscow, ID USA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Benson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Mattituck TMX O/IO-360
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
>
>
>Since I'm planning to buy my engine within the next couple of months, I was
>happy to see the recent price drop on the Superior XP-360 - but now I see
>that Mattituck has their own line of engines for experimentals, also based
>on the the Lycoming 320/360 series:
>
> http://www.mattituck.com/XE%20Program.htm
>
>Furthermore, when coupled with their own "Precision EX" fuel injection
>system instead of the Bendix, their 180HP IO-360 with a hollow crank for
>constant speed props goes for $19,400. That's pretty tempting, as it's a
>fair bit less expensive than a similarly equipped XP-360.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with these engines yet? I guess I'd be
>surprised if one has flown in a customer plane yet, but how was the
>fit/finish? Has anyone here even seen one yet?
>
>Thanks!
>Brad "Sharpie" Benson
>RV6AQB underway...
>"Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" -
>http://www.notamd.com
>
>
>advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>Share: Share photos & files with other List members.
>
>
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| Subject: | to all eCharts customers; and a bit of rambling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
As of yesterday, our eCharts division has a new address. It is now a part
of our newest on-line catalog www.PilotsBooks.com
Go to PilotsBooks, (also accessable from Builder's Bookstore) click on
CHARTS on the left and a new page will come up allowing you to navigate
between Sectionals, WACs, TACs, Facility directories, wall charts, and all
IFR enroute charts and terminal plates. All else is exactly the same as
before.
This is not an ownership change. Just an internal consolidation of 2
related sites.
Our company now has 3 basic divisions:
Builder's Bookstore - for the custom aircraft builder
Aircraft Technical Books - for the student and professional mechanic
PilotsBooks - for aircraft owners and pilots
...plus our 2 partnered sites KitPlanes Books and AMT Books
as someone in the movies said "the trilogy is now complete"
A couple of years ago I remember speaking to someone (I think from AC
Spruce) about the number of new businesses spawned from Van's and the amount
of commerce and jobs created by all those companies; which again can be
traced directly to the genious and success of Dick VanGrunsven. I don't
remember what that number was, but it was incredibly high - well into the
hundreds of millions.
Without a doubt, we have become one of those companies. From 8 years ago
when Van allowed us to publish 14 Years of the RV-ator (now 21Years) to what
now may be the largest distributor of aviation educational material on
Earth.
Thanks Van. It's been an interesting ride.
And, Thanks Matt - for giving me a forum to vent these ramblings
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
http://buildersbooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build vs Slow Build-OT |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
Hi All,
My apologies to the list again. Gotta keep my eye on that "reply to". I'm
going to get the razz from my building buddy here in town again.
Dan Watters
Tucson
Empennage 90736
>From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Quick Build vs Slow Build-OT
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:31:36 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
> Can't think of any better year than this one for Osh.
> >If I was only going to go once in my life this is the year for it.
>
> >Portions delete for the sake of privacy:-)
>
>
>Lots of reasons
> >to go and lots of ways to spend money.
> >
>
>For some strange reason, I'm figuring Daniel wanted this email to be
>private:-). As a total side note, we used to have a great time with the
>bombing run Daniel mentioned in the not so private part of his email. We
>knew the sch. and if we wanted to play, we would go up to 500 feet or so
>above the planned route altitude. You could see the black exhause from
>miles away and then you could hear the tone over the radio. We would wait
>until the B52s finished their run and the "Swope" down from above blasting
>away with wing gun noises blazing...........we were smart enough to stay
>above to avoid turbulance. The pilots got so used to the game, they would
>wave from the cockpit as they zoomed past with their Dave Clarks on. They
>flew just off the departure end of 18 and on occasion got off couse a
>little
>and buzzed the FBO on their low altitude runs sometimes passing underneath
>someone in the pattern. Considering this was a very active college
>aviation
>airport that made for some interesting touch and goes for those 18 year old
>college freshmen.
>
>BTW, I'm feeling a little sore from all this fuselage work. I just may
>need
>a therapist after camping a few days on the ground at Oshkosh, anybody know
>an available one in the area??;)
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>RV-7 slider/fuselage
>Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Here's a really crappy shot of the panel in question:
http://images.rvproject.com/images/panel/panel-20030709.jpg
I went with four of the standard 6-pack conventional gauges as backup.
Airspeed, altimeter, VSI, turn coordinator...and a vertical card compass.
The reason is purely redundancy...but somewhat "affordable" redundancy using
independent systems, for the most part.
I figure if the Dynon has some internal failure, either physical/electrical,
or software (hey, I'm a software developer, these things happen), then I've
got steam gauges to complete the flight comfortably with.
If my alternator goes tits up in some fashion, graceful or not, I use one
switch to draw power via the E-bus only (essentials/endurance), feeding
directly from the battery. If and when the battery dies, the Dynon has an
internal backup battery (an option I opted for). In that case, the TC is
dead but the Dynon's theoretically still going.
If in that rare all-out electrical failure situation, the Dynon were to fry
or have a dead battery, I still have: airspeed, altimeter, VSI, compass.
Anyway, that's my rationale for equipping it the way I did.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon: BAD ASS
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> It looks smaller in the panel photo than I thought it actually was but it
> also looks like a great panel space saver and just outright cool.
>
> Anyway, if my intent was strictly night vfr mission capable, what flight
> instruments would I *need* other than this unit?
>
> Would one trust airspeed and vertical velocity solely to this unit and
> completely do away with dedicated gauges?
>
> Dan, I see you have separate airspeed and altimeter gauges. Why bother?
> Requirement for IFR not to use this product as sole source of info or just
not
> want to put that much faith into the new product?
>
> lucky
>
>
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| Subject: | Poughkeepsie (POU) Formation Clinic |
--> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy@att.net>
I had planned a formation clinic for POU this weekend. Weather is
getting in the way of getting up there and then Scott Jordan just told
me he had only 3 people who had emailed him they were coming. There may
be others who were intending on coming, but with no stated intentions,
we don't know. Then I am staring at a hurricane forecasted for Texas
for my return.
So, we are canceling the POU formation clinic for weather and lack of
participation.
The Mason City Iowa (MCW) Pre-Oshkosh formation clinic is still on, so
let Doug Rozendaal know if you intend to come. We can't make plans if
we don't know your intentions.
Stu McCurdy
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
I bought the Oregon aero seats. They are pricey at about $275 per seat
without upholstry (If I am remembering correctly) but they are very
comfortable, and obviously very well made. I am not flying yet but I am
passed the 'sit in and make airplane noises' stage.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: RV-List: rv seats
> --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> Nedd to order seats for my rv6a, I know many have
> used Cleveland, they do a good job, for the ones I have
> seen.\
>
> There is another one, in Oregon? any one have
> any experience with them, what is the difference in price.
>
> Any others,
>
> thanks
>
> bert
>
> rv6a
>
> do not archive
>
> Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Becki Orndorff" <becki@fly-gbi.com>
The recent round of emails concerning customer service does point out a problem
for small businesses, especially the mom-pop shops like ours. Yes, we should
do our best to provide order status information and in a timely manner.
Keep in mind, though, that we can get your order out to you, or spend time on
the phone discussing it. We only have so many hours in a day and then we do need
to sleep for one or two.
Most often I have found that getting an interior order done a week or two later
than originally planned is not a problem as most builders take longer than
they expect to get to the point of needing it. I did respond to Bert's first
post to the list with an email to him asking him to give me a call. He has
not done so. We do our best to answer the phone each time it rings no matter
what time of day or night and do our best to help the builder on the other end
no matter how elementary the question. And we try to return all the calls we
miss. But we can't help if the builders don't call.
So, until I can determine a way to provide better service in the seats and
interior area, I will not take any more orders. I enjoy working with builders
and regret having to come to this decision.
Becki Orndorff
GeoBeck, Inc.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>I am not flying yet but I am passed the 'sit in and make airplane
noises' stage.
You are?? Oh, dear. When does that occur? I have almost 6 years of
flying and occasionally have to go out to the airplane, especially if I
haven't flown for a while, and make airplane noises. I am reassured it
is going to stop someday, but I can't see it in my near future.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
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THHURRRrrrrrrrRRrrrrrrrackackackackackackackfiiiizzzzzzzzzzuzuuuuuuuuuuu
kaBOOM (wipe off the canopy)
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--> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
So Bert,
Why haven't you called Becki yet ???
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: Becki Orndorff
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: RV-List: Seats
--> RV-List message posted by: "Becki Orndorff" <becki@fly-gbi.com>
The recent round of emails concerning customer service does point out a problem
for small businesses, especially the mom-pop shops like ours. Yes, we
should do our best to provide order status information and in a timely manner.
Keep in mind, though, that we can get your order out to you, or spend time on
the phone discussing it. We only have so many hours in a day and then we do
need to sleep for one or two.
Most often I have found that getting an interior order done a week or two
later than originally planned is not a problem as most builders take longer than
they expect to get to the point of needing it. I did respond to Bert's first
post to the list with an email to him asking him to give me a call. He has
not done so. We do our best to answer the phone each time it rings no matter
what time of day or night and do our best to help the builder on the other end
no matter how elementary the question. And we try to return all the calls
we miss. But we can't help if the builders don't call.
So, until I can determine a way to provide better service in the seats and
interior area, I will not take any more orders. I enjoy working with builders
and regret having to come to this decision.
Becki Orndorff
GeoBeck, Inc.
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| Subject: | To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
I have purchase a half way finished rv-6a kit that has the fuel line
installation, in the fuse, completed.
The work is very good, but I count 19 flare nuts that will be riding around
in the floor with me. This count does not include the vent lines. It
appears that it is installed as per the plans, with the fuel value in the
center and the fuel pump inside on the left wall. Adding to the flare nut
count is one tee for the electric primer and another joint for the
transducer for the EIS fuel module.
Anyway, finally to the questions.
Has anyone worked to move more of the connections outside of the cabin?
I have seen photos of the fuel pump installed in the wing root fairing. This
removes 2 flare nuts.
I noticed in Aircraft Spruce's Cat - they offer an extension kit for the
Andair fuel value that would "perate the value remotely" *see page 155 - AS
Catalog. Could the valve be mounted outside the cabin wall with the
connections in the wing root? This would removes 3 more.
Can both the electric primer and the transducer be mounted on the front of
the firewall.This removes 8 more or 9 counting the gasolator.
This would leaving only 4 bulkhead fittings with flare nuts, connecting two
fuel lines that simply pass thru the cabin. One line that connects the right
tank to the fuel valve (if the value was mounted in the left wing root) and
a second line from the fuel pump to the firewall.
4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
Regards,
Mike Stephenson
RV-6A canopy
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
For what its worth, I have come to pretty much the exact same
conclusions as Dan. The only difference is that I added a B&C SD-8
standby alternator to provide unlimited electrical endurance
following a main alternator failure. I plan to fly IFR, and it can
be a long way between airports up here, so I didn't want to be
worrying about how much longer the battery would hold out if I ever
found myself in cloud with a main alternator failure.
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Here's a really crappy shot of the panel in question:
>
>http://images.rvproject.com/images/panel/panel-20030709.jpg
>
>I went with four of the standard 6-pack conventional gauges as backup.
>Airspeed, altimeter, VSI, turn coordinator...and a vertical card compass.
>The reason is purely redundancy...but somewhat "affordable" redundancy using
>independent systems, for the most part.
>
>I figure if the Dynon has some internal failure, either physical/electrical,
>or software (hey, I'm a software developer, these things happen), then I've
>got steam gauges to complete the flight comfortably with.
>
>If my alternator goes tits up in some fashion, graceful or not, I use one
>switch to draw power via the E-bus only (essentials/endurance), feeding
>directly from the battery. If and when the battery dies, the Dynon has an
>internal backup battery (an option I opted for). In that case, the TC is
>dead but the Dynon's theoretically still going.
>
>If in that rare all-out electrical failure situation, the Dynon were to fry
>or have a dead battery, I still have: airspeed, altimeter, VSI, compass.
>
>Anyway, that's my rationale for equipping it the way I did.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>;
><RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon: BAD ASS
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>>
>> It looks smaller in the panel photo than I thought it actually was but it
>> also looks like a great panel space saver and just outright cool.
>>
>> Anyway, if my intent was strictly night vfr mission capable, what flight
>> instruments would I *need* other than this unit?
>>
>> Would one trust airspeed and vertical velocity solely to this unit and
>> completely do away with dedicated gauges?
>>
>> Dan, I see you have separate airspeed and altimeter gauges. Why bother?
>> Requirement for IFR not to use this product as sole source of info or just
>not
>> want to put that much faith into the new product?
>>
>> lucky
> >
>>
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
>
> Regards,
> Mike Stephenson
> RV-6A canopy
19 in the cabin!!! Argh.
I have four (three at the fuel selector, one at the firewall). Aux pump
in wing root, gascolator/primer T/electric primer valve/flow transducer on
the engine side of firewall.
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Becki;
I am sorry I missed most of whatever this "furor" was about. I just want you to
know that Tom & I are perfectly satisified with everything we have ever ordered
from you & your husband. Every call we've had was answered promptly and thoroughly.
As a matter of fact, knowing you needed plenty of time to produce
our seats we ordered 2 years in advance of our needs. (of course, who wold have
guessed it would take us this long to get to the interior "upholstery" installation!!)
We can't wait to be able to fly down your way to show you how it
all came out!!!
The main thing is if you don't know how to set a plan everything becomes an emergency
order. Also, speaking from the standpoint of a seamstress/sewer: no one
project ever takes the same time as the one before & if you rush the project
it will be a disaster!
Becki, you make beautiful seats. No complaints on the quality of the product or
the time you spent making them. I fully understand the construction of seat-making
and choose not to tackle it...leave the fine points to the experts...and
Becki is an expert!
Cathy Ervin
Totally bruised up from bucking rivets on the final wing skins!!!!
RV6A-Q
Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Mike:
My RV-6 was built to plans. Early plans S/N: 20480.
I have:
1 nut and flair fitting at the valve from the right tank.
1 nut and flair fitting at the valve from the left tank.
1 nut and flair fitting at the valve that goes to the fuel pump.
1 nut and flair fitting at the fuel pump on the inlet
1 nut and flair fitting at the fuel pump on the outlet
1 nut and flair fitting at the firewall where the fuel line goes in.
6 total connections on the fuel line in the cockpit.
This is per the plans. Been flying since Septermber 1997. As you said, it
does not include the vent lines. That adds 4 additional cockpit
connections. Add a manual primer and the count goes up another 4.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,299 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
I have purchase a half way finished rv-6a kit that has the fuel line
installation, in the fuse, completed.
The work is very good, but I count 19 flare nuts that will be riding around
in the floor with me. This count does not include the vent lines. It
appears that it is installed as per the plans, with the fuel value in the
center and the fuel pump inside on the left wall. Adding to the flare nut
count is one tee for the electric primer and another joint for the
transducer for the EIS fuel module.
Anyway, finally to the questions.
Has anyone worked to move more of the connections outside of the cabin?
I have seen photos of the fuel pump installed in the wing root fairing. This
removes 2 flare nuts.
I noticed in Aircraft Spruce's Cat - they offer an extension kit for the
Andair fuel value that would "perate the value remotely" *see page 155 - AS
Catalog. Could the valve be mounted outside the cabin wall with the
connections in the wing root? This would removes 3 more.
Can both the electric primer and the transducer be mounted on the front of
the firewall.This removes 8 more or 9 counting the gasolator.
This would leaving only 4 bulkhead fittings with flare nuts, connecting two
fuel lines that simply pass thru the cabin. One line that connects the right
tank to the fuel valve (if the value was mounted in the left wing root) and
a second line from the fuel pump to the firewall.
4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
Regards,
Mike Stephenson
RV-6A canopy
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--> RV-List message posted by: RVer273sb@aol.com
Listers,
Looking for a O-360 sump for a jig......
Preferably a unairworthy one.
Or a reasonably priced used one.
Thanks,
Stewart
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
If you have only 4, how do the lines from the tanks pass thru the wall to
the valve.
stephenson
> --> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
>
> > 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike Stephenson
> > RV-6A canopy
>
> 19 in the cabin!!! Argh.
>
> I have four (three at the fuel selector, one at the firewall). Aux pump
> in wing root, gascolator/primer T/electric primer valve/flow transducer on
> the engine side of firewall.
>
> Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
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--> RV-List message posted by: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
I've been browsing through Van's Accessories Catalog again and have
been considering purchasing the Exp-Bus DC Load Center. It's
advertised as a complete switch and circuit breaker control system.
It has a bunch of switches, solid state breakers, an optional
indicator module that illuminates a status light if any circuit is
tripped, ammeter, high/low voltage, etc.
I was wondering what the pro's and con's might be for using such a
unit...
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Dan Reeves
Inventorying the slow-build fuselage kit
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| Subject: | Re: DC Load Center |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Check the archives. Plenty of pro's and con's in there.
KB
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Reeves" <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: DC Load Center
> --> RV-List message posted by: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
>
> I've been browsing through Van's Accessories Catalog again and have
> been considering purchasing the Exp-Bus DC Load Center. It's
> advertised as a complete switch and circuit breaker control system.
> It has a bunch of switches, solid state breakers, an optional
> indicator module that illuminates a status light if any circuit is
> tripped, ammeter, high/low voltage, etc.
>
> I was wondering what the pro's and con's might be for using such a
> unit...
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies!
>
> Dan Reeves
> Inventorying the slow-build fuselage kit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Performance data and cabin dimensional specs are now on Van's website.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: DC Load Center |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
It was reported not to work with the best voltage regulator on the market.
The B&C Voltage regulator.
I am an old fashion electrical engineer. I use fuses and have manual
elevator trim, manual aileron trim, and manual flaps. Yes I do have an
autopilot and IFR panel setup.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,299 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: DC Load Center
--> RV-List message posted by: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
I've been browsing through Van's Accessories Catalog again and have
been considering purchasing the Exp-Bus DC Load Center. It's
advertised as a complete switch and circuit breaker control system.
It has a bunch of switches, solid state breakers, an optional
indicator module that illuminates a status light if any circuit is
tripped, ammeter, high/low voltage, etc.
I was wondering what the pro's and con's might be for using such a
unit...
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Dan Reeves
Inventorying the slow-build fuselage kit
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| Subject: | Aviation Businesses (Was Seats) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
People, we are talking about interior for a homebuilt airplane. This isn't
mission critical equipment being delivered to NASA. Aviation has many small
businesses that go well beyond the scope of their business to help their
customers, without expecting a dime more than the price of their goods. I
have ordered interior, wire, tools, and other items from George and Becki.
Their products are excellent, and the time they spent with me on the phone
is more than I would expect for their service. Without these kind of
businesses, aviation would not be the close knit community that it is today.
No other industry I have ever seen strives on customer service and quality
like the aviation (especially experimental) industry. Thanks, George and
Becki.
Yes, some types of businesses should deliver when promised, or provide
communication as to why they can not, and an expected delivery date. In the
case of small aviation businesses, they don't have the manpower or resources
to always deliver when promised. When it is involved in an airplane that
takes years to build, usually on someone's spare time, I don't think a
couple of weeks should make a difference. Work on something else while you
wait. Talk with them privately before publicly bashing them, but most of
all, relax.
If you need seats RIGHT NOW, or absolutely need them by a certain date due
to a trip or something, make sure you make the necessary arrangements first.
I would be willing to bet that the original poster was not waiting on the
interior to fly the airplane. If by chance he was ready to fly and just
waiting on seats, then his timing is excellent.
Off the soapbox now
do not archive
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I feel you are being anal. I have a 54 year old plane and the B-nuts never
leak. Actually they are AC flares not AN but either seals well and doesn't
leak.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
Quarterly newsletters on time
Reasonable document reprints
1-518-731-6800
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> Mike:
>
> My RV-6 was built to plans. Early plans S/N: 20480.
>
> I have:
> 1 nut and flair fitting at the valve from the right tank.
> 1 nut and flair fitting at the valve from the left tank.
> 1 nut and flair fitting at the valve that goes to the fuel pump.
> 1 nut and flair fitting at the fuel pump on the inlet
> 1 nut and flair fitting at the fuel pump on the outlet
> 1 nut and flair fitting at the firewall where the fuel line goes in.
>
> 6 total connections on the fuel line in the cockpit.
>
> This is per the plans. Been flying since Septermber 1997. As you said,
it
> does not include the vent lines. That adds 4 additional cockpit
> connections. Add a manual primer and the count goes up another 4.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,299 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
> To: "Matronics List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:22:35 -0500
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> I have purchase a half way finished rv-6a kit that has the fuel line
> installation, in the fuse, completed.
>
> The work is very good, but I count 19 flare nuts that will be riding
around
> in the floor with me. This count does not include the vent lines. It
> appears that it is installed as per the plans, with the fuel value in the
> center and the fuel pump inside on the left wall. Adding to the flare nut
> count is one tee for the electric primer and another joint for the
> transducer for the EIS fuel module.
>
> Anyway, finally to the questions.
>
> Has anyone worked to move more of the connections outside of the cabin?
>
> I have seen photos of the fuel pump installed in the wing root fairing.
This
> removes 2 flare nuts.
>
> I noticed in Aircraft Spruce's Cat - they offer an extension kit for the
> Andair fuel value that would "perate the value remotely" *see page 155 -
AS
> Catalog. Could the valve be mounted outside the cabin wall with the
> connections in the wing root? This would removes 3 more.
>
> Can both the electric primer and the transducer be mounted on the front of
> the firewall.This removes 8 more or 9 counting the gasolator.
>
> This would leaving only 4 bulkhead fittings with flare nuts, connecting
two
> fuel lines that simply pass thru the cabin. One line that connects the
right
> tank to the fuel valve (if the value was mounted in the left wing root)
and
> a second line from the fuel pump to the firewall.
>
> 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
>
> Regards,
> Mike Stephenson
> RV-6A canopy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Rubber grommet
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> If you have only 4, how do the lines from the tanks pass thru the wall to
> the valve.
>
> stephenson
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> >
> > > 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike Stephenson
> > > RV-6A canopy
> >
> > 19 in the cabin!!! Argh.
> >
> > I have four (three at the fuel selector, one at the firewall). Aux pump
> > in wing root, gascolator/primer T/electric primer valve/flow transducer
on
> > the engine side of firewall.
> >
> > Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
I see Vans have an estimated price of RV10 as $35000 on there
site.......estimate only for complete standard kit!!
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> If you have only 4, how do the lines from the tanks pass thru the wall
> to the valve.
Grommets.
Regarding other posts, fuel vent lines only add two AN connections in the
cockpit (two at the floor, grommets at the sidewalls). On AN fittings
"never" leaking, none on the entire airframe leaked initially, however one
of my four in the cabin did start leaking after a few flights (fixed by
twice removing, cleaning up, reinstalling to proper torque again...go
figure).
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Now THAT is scary. All lines should go thru a bulkhead fitting for safety.
First it prevents the fire wall or bulkhead from chaffing thru.
Second on the firewall, it blocks fire from coming thru. A rubber grommet
will melt or burn.
Third, it make a convenient disconnect point and won't get bent or broken
off like a line thru a grommet.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> --> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
>
> Rubber grommet
>
> Chris and Susie
> VH-MUM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
> >
> > If you have only 4, how do the lines from the tanks pass thru the wall
to
> > the valve.
> >
> > stephenson
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> > >
> > > > 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike Stephenson
> > > > RV-6A canopy
> > >
> > > 19 in the cabin!!! Argh.
> > >
> > > I have four (three at the fuel selector, one at the firewall). Aux
pump
> > > in wing root, gascolator/primer T/electric primer valve/flow
transducer
> on
> > > the engine side of firewall.
> > >
> > > Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Listers,
Does anyone know if the cowl hinge supplied with Van's finish kit can be purchased
in an extruded variety? Vans supplies the "rolled" style of piano hinge.
(MS20257) I want to know if this size hinge comes in the MS20001 variety?
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Mattituck TMX O/IO-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: HalBenjamin@aol.com
In a message dated 7/10/2003 2:56:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
vhimsl@turbonet.com writes:
> Hello,
> I too am looking for an engine. After reading their web site, I emailed
> Mattituck with some questions. Their reply was to read their web site...not
> a good beginning.
>
> Vince Himsl
> RV8 SB Fuselage
> Moscow, ID USA
>
Vince,
I dropped in on Mattituck a couple of years ago when I was in their area.
After telling them that I might be interested in buying an engine from them in
a
few years, Michael Yousik gave me a full tour of their shop & answered every
dumb question that I could come up with. I'm no engine guru, but it looked
like a good operation to me.
Michael Yousik was the Manager of Engine Sales at the time, I don't know if
he's still there, but it might be worth asking for him. Perhaps you'll get a
better response.
Hal Benjamin
RV-4, Skinning the Fuselage
Long Island New York
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Thanks for your kindness. I'm thankful you have never lost your nuts.
Regards,
Mike Stephenson
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I feel you are being anal. I have a 54 year old plane and the B-nuts
never
> leak. Actually they are AC flares not AN but either seals well and doesn't
> leak.
>
> Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Most builders do lean to your position (get the connections out of the
cockpit) but I march to a different drummer. Leaks generally don't happen
all at once. They start small and get bigger. The human nose is one of the
best gasoline leak detectors known to man. I've only had one fuel leak in
my flying history and I smelled it long before it became a problem. Bottom
line, I minimized the number of connections (I don't even use a fuel tank
selector valve) and put as many as possible in the cockpit. Don't take
this personally but I hate remote actuated fuel valves. This was a major
contributor to John Denvers' fatal accident.
Just a thought .
Tracy Crook
Mazda rotary powered RV-4
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> I have purchase a half way finished rv-6a kit that has the fuel line
> installation, in the fuse, completed.
>
> The work is very good, but I count 19 flare nuts that will be riding
around
> in the floor with me. This count does not include the vent lines. It
> appears that it is installed as per the plans, with the fuel value in the
> center and the fuel pump inside on the left wall. Adding to the flare nut
> count is one tee for the electric primer and another joint for the
> transducer for the EIS fuel module.
>
> Anyway, finally to the questions.
>
> Has anyone worked to move more of the connections outside of the cabin?
>
> I have seen photos of the fuel pump installed in the wing root fairing.
This
> removes 2 flare nuts.
>
> I noticed in Aircraft Spruce's Cat - they offer an extension kit for the
> Andair fuel value that would "perate the value remotely" *see page 155 -
AS
> Catalog. Could the valve be mounted outside the cabin wall with the
> connections in the wing root? This would removes 3 more.
>
> Can both the electric primer and the transducer be mounted on the front of
> the firewall.This removes 8 more or 9 counting the gasolator.
>
> This would leaving only 4 bulkhead fittings with flare nuts, connecting
two
> fuel lines that simply pass thru the cabin. One line that connects the
right
> tank to the fuel valve (if the value was mounted in the left wing root)
and
> a second line from the fuel pump to the firewall.
>
> 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
>
> Regards,
> Mike Stephenson
> RV-6A canopy
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hi Gary,
You are not so old fashioned, you don't have an ADF do you?
You wrote:
>I am an old fashion electrical engineer. I use fuses and have manual
>elevator trim, manual aileron trim, and manual flaps.
Really old fashioned folks don't fly, do they?
hal
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--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> Now THAT is scary. All lines should go thru a bulkhead fitting for
> safety.
> First it prevents the fire wall or bulkhead from chaffing thru.
> Second on the firewall, it blocks fire from coming thru. A rubber
> grommet will melt or burn.
> Third, it make a convenient disconnect point and won't get bent or
> broken off like a line thru a grommet.
Agree on firewall penetrations, all should be bulkhead fittings for the
reasons you cite (only steel of course <g>).
There is *very* little relative movement between the wing tank and the
fuselage side, so chaffing seems of little concern in this application.
Thousands of high time airframes, with fuel lines routed this way, point
this out (and installed as per plans).
On my own airframe, all grommeted penetrations were designed/fabricated to
be inserted from inside the fuselage, through the fuselage sidewall,
directly to the connection point outside the fuselage. No design related
bending or breaking of lines occurs during removal/inspection/replacement.
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
EU TU BRUTA!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> Thanks for your kindness. I'm thankful you have never lost your nuts.
>
> Regards,
> Mike Stephenson
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >
> > I feel you are being anal. I have a 54 year old plane and the B-nuts
> never
> > leak. Actually they are AC flares not AN but either seals well and
doesn't
> > leak.
> >
> > Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Don't know about working with the B&C regulator but it does work with the
$15 (??) Ford regulator we got from NAPA (or was that AUTO ZONE?)
You will find many opinions. It works as advertised.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:51 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: DC Load Center
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> It was reported not to work with the best voltage regulator on
> the market.
> The B&C Voltage regulator.
>
> I am an old fashion electrical engineer. I use fuses and have manual
> elevator trim, manual aileron trim, and manual flaps. Yes I do have an
> autopilot and IFR panel setup.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,299 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: DC Load Center
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:23:37 -0400
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: William Reeves <reevesfamily@comcast.net>
>
> I've been browsing through Van's Accessories Catalog again and have
> been considering purchasing the Exp-Bus DC Load Center. It's
> advertised as a complete switch and circuit breaker control system.
> It has a bunch of switches, solid state breakers, an optional
> indicator module that illuminates a status light if any circuit is
> tripped, ammeter, high/low voltage, etc.
>
> I was wondering what the pro's and con's might be for using such a
> unit...
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies!
>
> Dan Reeves
> Inventorying the slow-build fuselage kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Line Grommets, was: To leak or not to leak - that is |
the question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
The grommets in question pass the fuel lines through the side walls of the
cabin, not the firewall. The use of grommets here is the standard Van's
design. No reports of fuel line chafe-through that I am aware of. These are
big neoprene grommets for a 1" hole, 3/8th line, with plenty of insulating
rubber between skin and fuel line. They are also anchored rigidly by
attachment to the fuel tank flare fitting at the wing root only 5 or 6"
outboard from the side skin/grommet. In my opinion the chance of chafing
through the grommet is about zero, assuming one pre-bent the fuel line
properly so as to center it in the hole. I think you could omit the grommet
and the skin would still never touch the line. If you have a chance to look
at an RV with wing fairings removed, try wiggling the fuel line at this
location and you'll see it's pretty solid.
In case one ever had the misfortune of removing the wings, the fuel tank
fitting would is a satisfactory disconnect point, although it could be
vulnerable to damage if you had to leave it that way for a while in a
crowded shop.
Curt
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Now THAT is scary. All lines should go thru a bulkhead fitting for
safety.
>
> First it prevents the fire wall or bulkhead from chaffing thru.
>
> Second on the firewall, it blocks fire from coming thru. A rubber grommet
> will melt or burn.
>
> Third, it make a convenient disconnect point and won't get bent or broken
> off like a line thru a grommet.
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| Subject: | Re: To leak or not to leak - that is the question |
--> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Well there is a couple of thousand RVs around just like that as per the
plans. Through the firewall is a different matter.
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Now THAT is scary. All lines should go thru a bulkhead fitting for
safety.
>
> First it prevents the fire wall or bulkhead from chaffing thru.
>
> Second on the firewall, it blocks fire from coming thru. A rubber grommet
> will melt or burn.
>
> Third, it make a convenient disconnect point and won't get bent or broken
> off like a line thru a grommet.
>
> Cy Galley
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
> >
> > Rubber grommet
> >
> > Chris and Susie
> > VH-MUM
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: To leak or not to leak - that is the question
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson"
<mike@proclaimweb.com>
> > >
> > > If you have only 4, how do the lines from the tanks pass thru the wall
> to
> > > the valve.
> > >
> > > stephenson
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> > > >
> > > > > 4 seems much better than 19. What have I over looked.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Mike Stephenson
> > > > > RV-6A canopy
> > > >
> > > > 19 in the cabin!!! Argh.
> > > >
> > > > I have four (three at the fuel selector, one at the firewall). Aux
> pump
> > > > in wing root, gascolator/primer T/electric primer valve/flow
> transducer
> > on
> > > > the engine side of firewall.
> > > >
> > > > Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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