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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Dynon (Dan Checkoway)
2. 02:41 AM - Re: Elevator Counterweights (Arthur and Christine)
3. 02:46 AM - Radio Interference (Wayne R. Couture)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Radio Interference (RV6 Flyer)
5. 06:19 AM - Several 7 fuselage questions. (Dana Overall)
6. 07:26 AM - Radios (Donald Mei)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: Radio Interference (Paul Besing)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: Radio Interference (RV-Niner-Alpha)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: Radio Interference (Gil Alexander)
10. 01:37 PM - Re: Radio Interference (chris m)
11. 01:56 PM - Fw: RVs FLYOUT !! (flamini2)
12. 01:59 PM - Re: Radio Interference (Jerry Springer)
13. 02:37 PM - Re: Several 7 fuselage questions. (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
14. 05:08 PM - Flash gets painted-view my album on Club Photo! (vern@mindspring.com (Vern Darley))
15. 06:50 PM - off subject story (Doug Rozendaal)
16. 07:29 PM - Re: [nonspam] off subject story (Larry Pardue)
17. 07:30 PM - Re: off subject story (Jeff Orear)
18. 07:57 PM - Re: off subject story (Brian Denk)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Nice panel, where did you get the enunciator lights and throttle quadrant?
Thanks. If you meant the low voltage warning light, I got that at Spruce.
But I assume you meant the Apollo ACU (annunciator control unit), which is
something that's required for the GX60 to be legal under IFR. I bought it
along with my radios, encoder, and CDI from John Stark. I believe
Mid-Continent manufactures the ACU it for Apollo.
The throttle quadrant is something I bought from Spruce, but I think Van's
sells the same one for $10 less -- Spruce charges extra for the friction
models whereas Van's doesn't...or something like that. Didn't realize at
the time I bought it that Van's has it too.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >
> > Here's a really crappy shot of the panel in question:
> >
> > http://images.rvproject.com/images/panel/panel-20030709.jpg
> >
> > I went with four of the standard 6-pack conventional gauges as backup.
> > Airspeed, altimeter, VSI, turn coordinator...and a vertical card
compass.
> > The reason is purely redundancy...but somewhat "affordable" redundancy
> using
> > independent systems, for the most part.
> >
> > I figure if the Dynon has some internal failure, either
> physical/electrical,
> > or software (hey, I'm a software developer, these things happen), then
> I've
> > got steam gauges to complete the flight comfortably with.
> >
> > If my alternator goes tits up in some fashion, graceful or not, I use
one
> > switch to draw power via the E-bus only (essentials/endurance), feeding
> > directly from the battery. If and when the battery dies, the Dynon has
an
> > internal backup battery (an option I opted for). In that case, the TC
is
> > dead but the Dynon's theoretically still going.
> >
> > If in that rare all-out electrical failure situation, the Dynon were to
> fry
> > or have a dead battery, I still have: airspeed, altimeter, VSI, compass.
> >
> > Anyway, that's my rationale for equipping it the way I did.
> >
> > )_( Dan
> > RV-7 N714D
> > http://www.rvproject.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon: BAD ASS
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
> > >
> > > It looks smaller in the panel photo than I thought it actually was but
> it
> > > also looks like a great panel space saver and just outright cool.
> > >
> > > Anyway, if my intent was strictly night vfr mission capable, what
flight
> > > instruments would I *need* other than this unit?
> > >
> > > Would one trust airspeed and vertical velocity solely to this unit and
> > > completely do away with dedicated gauges?
> > >
> > > Dan, I see you have separate airspeed and altimeter gauges. Why
bother?
> > > Requirement for IFR not to use this product as sole source of info or
> just
> > not
> > > want to put that much faith into the new product?
> > >
> > > lucky
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Counterweights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" <act1@reap.org.nz>
For my 8 I got some lead sheet from a plumbing supply store and used this as
you are suggesting using the steel.
Worked fine but messed up the paint some removing the tip. Elevators were
slightly nose heavey prior to painting.
Regards,
Arthur Whitehead
RV-8 flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Phillips" <ripsteel@edge.net>
Subject: RV-List: Elevator Counterweights
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
>
> I have installed my elevators and working on tip installation. With the
> counterweights installed, the left elevator is still a little tail heavy
> and looks like it will need more weight. One plan is to add a 3/8 or
> 1/2" steel plate under the bolt heads on the outside weight, about the
> same size as the lead. Anyone know if this is advisable or have another
> solution?
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| Subject: | Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 for him
last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his antenna's
last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The ammeter (Van's)
pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights dimmed. When
I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away. I used RG-400
double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under the pilot seat and
is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for the intercom and P
leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the most likely place to start
looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics tech but have zero experience
on aircraft. I need to fix this for him because he's almost ready to fly.
Thanks in advance
Wayne
RV-8A qb
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Saw a problem like this about 10 years ago on a Dragonfly.
Sounds like a ground problem with the gauges. The transducers need a good
ground and so do the gauges.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,299 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 for
him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his
antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The
ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights
dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away.
I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under
the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for
the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the
most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics
tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him
because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance
Wayne
RV-8A qb
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| Subject: | Several 7 fuselage questions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Like the ol saying warns, "it is best to remain silent and appear ignorant
than to speak up and remove all doubt", I am going to remove all doubts
here. I am not an electrical person, never claimed to be and will never be
even if I stay at the Holiday Inn Express. Anyway here goes:
My electrial wiring will be coming from my wing tips via this 1/2" ID
conduit,
http://rvflying.tripod.com/q2.jpg
Outboard on the wings will be position light, strobe and landing light.
I'll think about a com in one and a nav in the other. Is there anyway to
get all the wiring through this conduit. I will also have a trutrack that I
am assuming will have it's own flexible conduit installed through a couple
lightning holes.
Next question: I am assuming as wiring exits the above conduit it will pass
through this outboard snap bushing
http://rvflying.tripod.com/q4.jpg
I am using a manual elevator trim so, once again assuming here from the
control systems layout drawing, that one of the center bushing in the the
spar center section is going to get used up by that cable. In doing that,
only one bushing will be available for for to aft routing of wiring. I will
only have a PTT and frequency flip flop on my stick. Aft will be strobe
box, position light and trutrack altitude hold. If I do install antennas,
they will be under the pilot center section.
Since there are only four snap bushing in the center section, two outboard
and two inboard, what do you think, will I need to run some wiring aft from
those two outer most center spar section snap bushings and Unibit these aft
center section floor ribs for snap busings to reroute them inboard
http://rvflying.tripod.com/q3.jpg or simple keep going aft. I already
drilled out the optional snap bushing holes from the 706 buldhead aft? Man,
that was a long and wandering sentence. These optional holes are on the
passenger side of center as the manual elevator cable takes up the pilot
side bushing.
I really want to get all this stuff finalized before I rivet the first piece
of the center section together. Once again, sorry for what might appear
ignorant but I am not electrical. I throw the switch, if it doesn't come on
I change the bulb. Really learning a lot from Electric Bob, but still have
a long way to go. I know I just threw a lot out there, but I feel like a
kid on his first day at high school....so many things to remember but so
many pretty girls (fuselage) to look at.
Thanks gang,
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Re the gentleman who wanted opinions on radios, here's mine:
If you are going with a single radio setup, you can not do better than a UPS
SL40. It is light, works great, and the people are fantastic to deal with.
I purchased mine used, missing a small part. I called UPS and tried to
order the part. The gentleman on the phone said "You can't order that
part". I thought, oh crap, here we go with all the same s_it I used to get
from King. Then he laughed and said, I'll ship it to you for nothing. Just
tell others how well we took care of you.
So I guess now I'm telling.
Because the UPS is computerized, you can set things like squelch,
michrophone gain and other items while sitting in the plane with the radio
on. Much better than twisting pots on a King and then resetting.
In addition UPS is very "experimental friendly". King is very experiemental
UNFRIENDLY . UPS has the installation and troubleshooting docs right up on
their web page for all to download.
When I had my king in my plane, I was told that only authorized dealers had
access to the docs.
Re: Intercoms. I have had a NAT AA80 in my plane for about a year. I love
it. Nice product and also great service. Since I fly an RV-4, the intercom
is even more necessary than in a side by side RV. The NAT is one of the KEY
items that makes for an enjoyable flight for my passengers.
Regards,
Don Mei
3B9 - Chester, CT
"The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes from
no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders fell
into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that
are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a
remote central authority."
-- Ronald Reagan, 1982
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Sounds like there is a short to ground from the antenna. Did you make your
own BNC connectors for your wire? What kind of connectors did you use? If
you have any contact with the inner portion of the wire to the outer portion
(barrel) you could send signals throughout the aircraft ground. Best way to
isolate this would be to take the coax off of the back of the radio, then
key the mike. If everything doesn't go haywire, you found your problem in
the antenna wire. I'm no wiring or electrical expert, but I play one on TV,
so your milage may vary.
Oh yes, one other thing, did his antenna mounting have a large ground plane
to mount to? Was it mounted to a skin with a doubler to spread the ground
plane out from just the screws of the antenna?
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
>
> I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8
for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his
antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The
ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights
dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away.
I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under
the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for
the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the
most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics
tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him
because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance
>
>
> Wayne
> RV-8A qb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV-Niner-Alpha <rv_niner_alpha@yahoo.com>
Paul Besing's reply should solve this problem.
When the mike is keyed power is transmitted to the antenna tip to be radiated to
the air. So it seems that the power flow is all screwed-up and messes up with
the aircraft electrics. DON'T key that mike too much until this problem is solved;
you can burn the radio finals.
RV90587
Paul Besing <azpilot@extremezone.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
Sounds like there is a short to ground from the antenna. Did you make your
own BNC connectors for your wire? What kind of connectors did you use? If
you have any contact with the inner portion of the wire to the outer portion
(barrel) you could send signals throughout the aircraft ground. Best way to
isolate this would be to take the coax off of the back of the radio, then
key the mike. If everything doesn't go haywire, you found your problem in
the antenna wire. I'm no wiring or electrical expert, but I play one on TV,
so your milage may vary.
Oh yes, one other thing, did his antenna mounting have a large ground plane
to mount to? Was it mounted to a skin with a doubler to spread the ground
plane out from just the screws of the antenna?
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
If you need to key the radio to fault-find, find your local radio ham and
borrow a dummy 50 ohm RF load.
Hook this up to the output of the transmitter, then the transmitter output
components will be safe......
I betting a short in the double-shielded co-ax....:
)
gil in Tucson
At 10:24 AM 7/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV-Niner-Alpha <rv_niner_alpha@yahoo.com>
>
>Paul Besing's reply should solve this problem.
>
>When the mike is keyed power is transmitted to the antenna tip to be
>radiated to the air. So it seems that the power flow is all screwed-up and
>messes up with the aircraft electrics. DON'T key that mike too much until
>this problem is solved; you can burn the radio finals.
>
>RV90587
>
>Paul Besing <azpilot@extremezone.com> wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
>
>Sounds like there is a short to ground from the antenna. Did you make your
>own BNC connectors for your wire? What kind of connectors did you use? If
>you have any contact with the inner portion of the wire to the outer portion
>(barrel) you could send signals throughout the aircraft ground. Best way to
>isolate this would be to take the coax off of the back of the radio, then
>key the mike. If everything doesn't go haywire, you found your problem in
>the antenna wire. I'm no wiring or electrical expert, but I play one on TV,
>so your milage may vary.
>
>Oh yes, one other thing, did his antenna mounting have a large ground plane
>to mount to? Was it mounted to a skin with a doubler to spread the ground
>plane out from just the screws of the antenna?
>
>Paul Besing
>RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10)
>http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
>Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
>http://www.kitlog.com
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
I don't know about the lights dimming cause I don't use them but it is very
very normal for those Vans gauges to go nuts. I took a Qantas FO for a
flight the other day and his comment was "what the".
I have got used to it and look away when transmitting!
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
>
> I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8
for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his
antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The
ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights
dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away.
I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under
the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for
the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the
most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics
tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him
because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance
>
>
> Wayne
> RV-8A qb
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: RVs FLYOUT !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
i thought the Chicago guys active, looks like Indy is outdoing us.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: PILOT8127@aol.com
Subject: RE: RVs FLYOUT !!
Hey RVers,
What a great TURNOUT at Greencastle today!! WOW!! The B'Fast was the
usual,,,very tasty, very well prepared, and a bargain at $5 American dollars........all
you can eat!!
15-RVers were seated at the many different tables this morning! What
a crowd. The ramp was full too. Overflowing to the north parking lot!
The list of RVers at Putnam Co. 4I7:
1. Larry B. RVsuper8
2. Glen D. Soneri (RVone/half)
3. Gary R. RV6A (not AJ this time)
4. Dave C. RV4
5. Denny/Gaynel S. RV4
6. Tom U. RV4R
7. Tom McC. Yak (long RV)
8. Wayne R. RV6A
9. Jim G. RV6
10. Norm P. RV6A
11. Max S. RV7A
12. Dan D. RV6A
13. Steve W. RV4
14. Tom P. RV172
15. Jim N. RV4
After a FINE 'buffet' style, sit-down breakfast I blasted out for the Terre
Haute AIR-Show! I may have missed some late arrivers as I left right at
9AM. If so, send me a note and I'll add you too the list!
Sunday:
Mid-morning BRUNCH at Mattoon, Ill. (KMTO) EAT at 10AM. AVOID the Terre Haute
airspace as the "Airshow" will have an airspace wavier in effect at that time!
I'll be leaving Brazil about 9:15 and heading NORTH to skirt around T.H.
See ya all at Mattoon tomorrow!! The weather is gonna be awesome. Monitor
22.85 CELL 812-240-8970 more later,
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I guess what is really frustrating here reading this stuff is that I keep seeing
it referred to as VAN'S gauges. This happens to anyone's gauge if things are not
properly grounded and shielded. Not just a gauge that was bought from Van's.
Jerry
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chris m wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: chris m <vhmum@bigpond.com>
>
> I don't know about the lights dimming cause I don't use them but it is very
> very normal for those Vans gauges to go nuts. I took a Qantas FO for a
> flight the other day and his comment was "what the".
> I have got used to it and look away when transmitting!
>
> Chris and Susie
> VH-MUM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
>
> <commando@cox-internet.com>
>
>> I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8
>
> for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his
> antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The
> ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights
> dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away.
> I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under
> the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for
> the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the
> most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics
> tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him
> because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance
>
>>
>>Wayne
>>RV-8A qb
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Several 7 fuselage questions. |
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Dana,
Those of us who know you know that your doubt was gone long before that
post.:)
If you can get a 3/4 in now. Go ahead and do it. THe first coax you run down
there when moving some antennae after hundreds of hours of flying cause you
want 2 more knots, and you will wish you put a bigger PVC in there.
Don't get too particular on the "4" bushings you have installed. If it takes
8, then put 8 in. Long as your leaving most of the material, you will be
fine. Put more bushing, and wire passes than you think you need. You just
might use em one day.
Ask me how I know.
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Overall
Subject: RV-List: Several 7 fuselage questions.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Like the ol saying warns, "it is best to remain silent and appear
ignorant
than to speak up and remove all doubt", I am going to remove all doubts
here. I am not an electrical person, never claimed to be and will never
be
even if I stay at the Holiday Inn Express. Anyway here goes:
My electrial wiring will be coming from my wing tips via this 1/2" ID
conduit,
http://rvflying.tripod.com/q2.jpg
Outboard on the wings will be position light, strobe and landing light.
I'll think about a com in one and a nav in the other. Is there anyway
to
get all the wiring through this conduit. I will also have a trutrack
that I
am assuming will have it's own flexible conduit installed through a
couple
lightning holes.
Next question: I am assuming as wiring exits the above conduit it will
pass
through this outboard snap bushing
http://rvflying.tripod.com/q4.jpg
I am using a manual elevator trim so, once again assuming here from the
control systems layout drawing, that one of the center bushing in the
the
spar center section is going to get used up by that cable. In doing
that,
only one bushing will be available for for to aft routing of wiring. I
will
only have a PTT and frequency flip flop on my stick. Aft will be strobe
box, position light and trutrack altitude hold. If I do install
antennas,
they will be under the pilot center section.
Since there are only four snap bushing in the center section, two
outboard
and two inboard, what do you think, will I need to run some wiring aft
from
those two outer most center spar section snap bushings and Unibit these
aft
center section floor ribs for snap busings to reroute them inboard
http://rvflying.tripod.com/q3.jpg or simple keep going aft. I already
drilled out the optional snap bushing holes from the 706 buldhead aft?
Man,
that was a long and wandering sentence. These optional holes are on the
passenger side of center as the manual elevator cable takes up the pilot
side bushing.
I really want to get all this stuff finalized before I rivet the first
piece
of the center section together. Once again, sorry for what might appear
ignorant but I am not electrical. I throw the switch, if it doesn't
come on
I change the bulb. Really learning a lot from Electric Bob, but still
have
a long way to go. I know I just threw a lot out there, but I feel like
a
kid on his first day at high school....so many things to remember but so
many pretty girls (fuselage) to look at.
Thanks gang,
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
All,
They say, we "pilots march to the beat of a different drum." Too often we are
unable to find others who can hear the music. Knowing full well there are many
here who can hear the music, I trust you will oblige me my story and answer
my question.
My nephew, Daniel, (son of wife's brother) is 16 and came to Iowa to spend some
time with Grandma & Pa and Aunt Chris & Uncle Doug.
The mission was to get him soloed while he was here. It would have cost more to
buy insurance to solo him in my L-2 than to rent a Cherokee from the FBO so
out of kindness to the L-2 we chose the Cherokee.
I have been an Instructor for many years, I have signed off several logbooks for
Commercial rating, Multi-engine ratings, B-25 type-ratings, slapped people on
the back and said, "go have fun" in a Mustang, but I have never, ever, in my
entire Instructor life signed the back of a Student Pilot Certificate.
It was not scary, I was more concerned about sending a 16 year old downtown in
our company van. He did great, I knew he would and on a beautiful July night as
the sun was growing orange in the west and hot air-balloons floating across
our lake, I watched him fly 3 circuits, we trimmed his shirt tail, opened a bottle
of non-alcoholic Champagne with a screw top and took pictures that we will
send to his parents.
What a great day! What do other people do on a Saturday while we are listening
to the music????
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
BTW I almost forgot my question, I need to send him home to Houston to find a
flight school on the NW side of town. A down home kinda place where taildraggers
are welcome, there is an airport dog, and they hire 16 year old kids to wash
and fuel airplanes. Any suggestions?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> BTW I almost forgot my question, I need to send him home to Houston to
find a flight school on the NW side of town. A down home kinda place where
taildraggers are welcome, there is an airport dog, and they hire 16 year old
kids to wash and fuel airplanes. Any suggestions?
>
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>
I've only been there once, but sounds kind of like Hooks.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Uncle Doug:
Great story. Wish I could have soled when I was 16.
BTW....I will from this point forward call you Uncle Doug! ;
)
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Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
fuse...Wishing I had ordered my finish kit sooner....This 17 week lead time
is KILLING me!
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: RV-List: off subject story
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> All,
>
> They say, we "pilots march to the beat of a different drum." Too often
we are unable to find others who can hear the music. Knowing full well
there are many here who can hear the music, I trust you will oblige me my
story and answer my question.
>
> My nephew, Daniel, (son of wife's brother) is 16 and came to Iowa to spend
some time with Grandma & Pa and Aunt Chris & Uncle Doug.
>
> The mission was to get him soloed while he was here. It would have cost
more to buy insurance to solo him in my L-2 than to rent a Cherokee from the
FBO so out of kindness to the L-2 we chose the Cherokee.
>
> I have been an Instructor for many years, I have signed off several
logbooks for Commercial rating, Multi-engine ratings, B-25 type-ratings,
slapped people on the back and said, "go have fun" in a Mustang, but I have
never, ever, in my entire Instructor life signed the back of a Student Pilot
Certificate.
>
> It was not scary, I was more concerned about sending a 16 year old
downtown in our company van. He did great, I knew he would and on a
beautiful July night as the sun was growing orange in the west and hot
air-balloons floating across our lake, I watched him fly 3 circuits, we
trimmed his shirt tail, opened a bottle of non-alcoholic Champagne with a
screw top and took pictures that we will send to his parents.
>
> What a great day! What do other people do on a Saturday while we are
listening to the music????
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
> BTW I almost forgot my question, I need to send him home to Houston to
find a flight school on the NW side of town. A down home kinda place where
taildraggers are welcome, there is an airport dog, and they hire 16 year old
kids to wash and fuel airplanes. Any suggestions?
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>All,
>
>They say, we "pilots march to the beat of a different drum." Too often we
>are unable to find others who can hear the music. Knowing full well there
>are many here who can hear the music, I trust you will oblige me my story
>and answer my question.
>
>My nephew, Daniel, (son of wife's brother) is 16 and came to Iowa to spend
>some time with Grandma & Pa and Aunt Chris & Uncle Doug.
>
>The mission was to get him soloed while he was here. It would have cost
>more to buy insurance to solo him in my L-2 than to rent a Cherokee from
>the FBO so out of kindness to the L-2 we chose the Cherokee.
>
>I have been an Instructor for many years, I have signed off several
>logbooks for Commercial rating, Multi-engine ratings, B-25 type-ratings,
>slapped people on the back and said, "go have fun" in a Mustang, but I have
>never, ever, in my entire Instructor life signed the back of a Student
>Pilot Certificate.
>
>It was not scary, I was more concerned about sending a 16 year old downtown
>in our company van. He did great, I knew he would and on a beautiful July
>night as the sun was growing orange in the west and hot air-balloons
>floating across our lake, I watched him fly 3 circuits, we trimmed his
>shirt tail, opened a bottle of non-alcoholic Champagne with a screw top and
>took pictures that we will send to his parents.
>
>What a great day! What do other people do on a Saturday while we are
>listening to the music????
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
Oh man, this just warms my heart. It's stories like this that make America
great. Maybe I'm just a sentimental type of guy, but seeing a youngster
living a dream, with a skilled and supportive uncle there to help make it
so, it's just....well goll darnit...downright neat.
Well Done, Doug. Now, if I can just figure out how to join that cadre of
back-slapped new Mustang drivers....
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
Albuquerque, NM
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