---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/12/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - Re: Dynon (Dan Checkoway) 2. 02:41 AM - Re: Elevator Counterweights (Arthur and Christine) 3. 02:46 AM - Radio Interference (Wayne R. Couture) 4. 04:58 AM - Re: Radio Interference (RV6 Flyer) 5. 06:19 AM - Several 7 fuselage questions. (Dana Overall) 6. 07:26 AM - Radios (Donald Mei) 7. 09:51 AM - Re: Radio Interference (Paul Besing) 8. 10:24 AM - Re: Radio Interference (RV-Niner-Alpha) 9. 11:40 AM - Re: Radio Interference (Gil Alexander) 10. 01:37 PM - Re: Radio Interference (chris m) 11. 01:56 PM - Fw: RVs FLYOUT !! (flamini2) 12. 01:59 PM - Re: Radio Interference (Jerry Springer) 13. 02:37 PM - Re: Several 7 fuselage questions. (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 14. 05:08 PM - Flash gets painted-view my album on Club Photo! (vern@mindspring.com (Vern Darley)) 15. 06:50 PM - off subject story (Doug Rozendaal) 16. 07:29 PM - Re: [nonspam] off subject story (Larry Pardue) 17. 07:30 PM - Re: off subject story (Jeff Orear) 18. 07:57 PM - Re: off subject story (Brian Denk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:00 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Nice panel, where did you get the enunciator lights and throttle quadrant? Thanks. If you meant the low voltage warning light, I got that at Spruce. But I assume you meant the Apollo ACU (annunciator control unit), which is something that's required for the GX60 to be legal under IFR. I bought it along with my radios, encoder, and CDI from John Stark. I believe Mid-Continent manufactures the ACU it for Apollo. The throttle quadrant is something I bought from Spruce, but I think Van's sells the same one for $10 less -- Spruce charges extra for the friction models whereas Van's doesn't...or something like that. Didn't realize at the time I bought it that Van's has it too. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Checkoway" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > Here's a really crappy shot of the panel in question: > > > > http://images.rvproject.com/images/panel/panel-20030709.jpg > > > > I went with four of the standard 6-pack conventional gauges as backup. > > Airspeed, altimeter, VSI, turn coordinator...and a vertical card compass. > > The reason is purely redundancy...but somewhat "affordable" redundancy > using > > independent systems, for the most part. > > > > I figure if the Dynon has some internal failure, either > physical/electrical, > > or software (hey, I'm a software developer, these things happen), then > I've > > got steam gauges to complete the flight comfortably with. > > > > If my alternator goes tits up in some fashion, graceful or not, I use one > > switch to draw power via the E-bus only (essentials/endurance), feeding > > directly from the battery. If and when the battery dies, the Dynon has an > > internal backup battery (an option I opted for). In that case, the TC is > > dead but the Dynon's theoretically still going. > > > > If in that rare all-out electrical failure situation, the Dynon were to > fry > > or have a dead battery, I still have: airspeed, altimeter, VSI, compass. > > > > Anyway, that's my rationale for equipping it the way I did. > > > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; ; > > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon: BAD ASS > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > > > > > It looks smaller in the panel photo than I thought it actually was but > it > > > also looks like a great panel space saver and just outright cool. > > > > > > Anyway, if my intent was strictly night vfr mission capable, what flight > > > instruments would I *need* other than this unit? > > > > > > Would one trust airspeed and vertical velocity solely to this unit and > > > completely do away with dedicated gauges? > > > > > > Dan, I see you have separate airspeed and altimeter gauges. Why bother? > > > Requirement for IFR not to use this product as sole source of info or > just > > not > > > want to put that much faith into the new product? > > > > > > lucky > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:44 AM PST US From: "Arthur and Christine" Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator Counterweights --> RV-List message posted by: "Arthur and Christine" For my 8 I got some lead sheet from a plumbing supply store and used this as you are suggesting using the steel. Worked fine but messed up the paint some removing the tip. Elevators were slightly nose heavey prior to painting. Regards, Arthur Whitehead RV-8 flying ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Phillips" Subject: RV-List: Elevator Counterweights > --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips > > I have installed my elevators and working on tip installation. With the > counterweights installed, the left elevator is still a little tail heavy > and looks like it will need more weight. One plan is to add a 3/8 or > 1/2" steel plate under the bolt heads on the outside weight, about the > same size as the lead. Anyone know if this is advisable or have another > solution? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:04 AM PST US From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away. I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance Wayne RV-8A qb ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:32 AM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" Saw a problem like this about 10 years ago on a Dragonfly. Sounds like a ground problem with the gauges. The transducers need a good ground and so do the gauges. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,299 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away. I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance Wayne RV-8A qb ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:56 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Several 7 fuselage questions. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Like the ol saying warns, "it is best to remain silent and appear ignorant than to speak up and remove all doubt", I am going to remove all doubts here. I am not an electrical person, never claimed to be and will never be even if I stay at the Holiday Inn Express. Anyway here goes: My electrial wiring will be coming from my wing tips via this 1/2" ID conduit, http://rvflying.tripod.com/q2.jpg Outboard on the wings will be position light, strobe and landing light. I'll think about a com in one and a nav in the other. Is there anyway to get all the wiring through this conduit. I will also have a trutrack that I am assuming will have it's own flexible conduit installed through a couple lightning holes. Next question: I am assuming as wiring exits the above conduit it will pass through this outboard snap bushing http://rvflying.tripod.com/q4.jpg I am using a manual elevator trim so, once again assuming here from the control systems layout drawing, that one of the center bushing in the the spar center section is going to get used up by that cable. In doing that, only one bushing will be available for for to aft routing of wiring. I will only have a PTT and frequency flip flop on my stick. Aft will be strobe box, position light and trutrack altitude hold. If I do install antennas, they will be under the pilot center section. Since there are only four snap bushing in the center section, two outboard and two inboard, what do you think, will I need to run some wiring aft from those two outer most center spar section snap bushings and Unibit these aft center section floor ribs for snap busings to reroute them inboard http://rvflying.tripod.com/q3.jpg or simple keep going aft. I already drilled out the optional snap bushing holes from the 706 buldhead aft? Man, that was a long and wandering sentence. These optional holes are on the passenger side of center as the manual elevator cable takes up the pilot side bushing. I really want to get all this stuff finalized before I rivet the first piece of the center section together. Once again, sorry for what might appear ignorant but I am not electrical. I throw the switch, if it doesn't come on I change the bulb. Really learning a lot from Electric Bob, but still have a long way to go. I know I just threw a lot out there, but I feel like a kid on his first day at high school....so many things to remember but so many pretty girls (fuselage) to look at. Thanks gang, Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:41 AM PST US From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: Radios --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" Re the gentleman who wanted opinions on radios, here's mine: If you are going with a single radio setup, you can not do better than a UPS SL40. It is light, works great, and the people are fantastic to deal with. I purchased mine used, missing a small part. I called UPS and tried to order the part. The gentleman on the phone said "You can't order that part". I thought, oh crap, here we go with all the same s_it I used to get from King. Then he laughed and said, I'll ship it to you for nothing. Just tell others how well we took care of you. So I guess now I'm telling. Because the UPS is computerized, you can set things like squelch, michrophone gain and other items while sitting in the plane with the radio on. Much better than twisting pots on a King and then resetting. In addition UPS is very "experimental friendly". King is very experiemental UNFRIENDLY . UPS has the installation and troubleshooting docs right up on their web page for all to download. When I had my king in my plane, I was told that only authorized dealers had access to the docs. Re: Intercoms. I have had a NAT AA80 in my plane for about a year. I love it. Nice product and also great service. Since I fly an RV-4, the intercom is even more necessary than in a side by side RV. The NAT is one of the KEY items that makes for an enjoyable flight for my passengers. Regards, Don Mei 3B9 - Chester, CT "The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes from no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders fell into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a remote central authority." -- Ronald Reagan, 1982 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:30 AM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Sounds like there is a short to ground from the antenna. Did you make your own BNC connectors for your wire? What kind of connectors did you use? If you have any contact with the inner portion of the wire to the outer portion (barrel) you could send signals throughout the aircraft ground. Best way to isolate this would be to take the coax off of the back of the radio, then key the mike. If everything doesn't go haywire, you found your problem in the antenna wire. I'm no wiring or electrical expert, but I play one on TV, so your milage may vary. Oh yes, one other thing, did his antenna mounting have a large ground plane to mount to? Was it mounted to a skin with a doubler to spread the ground plane out from just the screws of the antenna? Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" > > I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away. I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance > > > Wayne > RV-8A qb > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:43 AM PST US From: RV-Niner-Alpha Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: RV-Niner-Alpha Paul Besing's reply should solve this problem. When the mike is keyed power is transmitted to the antenna tip to be radiated to the air. So it seems that the power flow is all screwed-up and messes up with the aircraft electrics. DON'T key that mike too much until this problem is solved; you can burn the radio finals. RV90587 Paul Besing wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Sounds like there is a short to ground from the antenna. Did you make your own BNC connectors for your wire? What kind of connectors did you use? If you have any contact with the inner portion of the wire to the outer portion (barrel) you could send signals throughout the aircraft ground. Best way to isolate this would be to take the coax off of the back of the radio, then key the mike. If everything doesn't go haywire, you found your problem in the antenna wire. I'm no wiring or electrical expert, but I play one on TV, so your milage may vary. Oh yes, one other thing, did his antenna mounting have a large ground plane to mount to? Was it mounted to a skin with a doubler to spread the ground plane out from just the screws of the antenna? Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:21 AM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander If you need to key the radio to fault-find, find your local radio ham and borrow a dummy 50 ohm RF load. Hook this up to the output of the transmitter, then the transmitter output components will be safe...... I betting a short in the double-shielded co-ax....: ) gil in Tucson At 10:24 AM 7/12/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: RV-Niner-Alpha > >Paul Besing's reply should solve this problem. > >When the mike is keyed power is transmitted to the antenna tip to be >radiated to the air. So it seems that the power flow is all screwed-up and >messes up with the aircraft electrics. DON'T key that mike too much until >this problem is solved; you can burn the radio finals. > >RV90587 > >Paul Besing wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > >Sounds like there is a short to ground from the antenna. Did you make your >own BNC connectors for your wire? What kind of connectors did you use? If >you have any contact with the inner portion of the wire to the outer portion >(barrel) you could send signals throughout the aircraft ground. Best way to >isolate this would be to take the coax off of the back of the radio, then >key the mike. If everything doesn't go haywire, you found your problem in >the antenna wire. I'm no wiring or electrical expert, but I play one on TV, >so your milage may vary. > >Oh yes, one other thing, did his antenna mounting have a large ground plane >to mount to? Was it mounted to a skin with a doubler to spread the ground >plane out from just the screws of the antenna? > >Paul Besing >RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) >http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing >Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software >http://www.kitlog.com > > >--------------------------------- > > RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall... 77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:00 PM PST US From: chris m Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: chris m I don't know about the lights dimming cause I don't use them but it is very very normal for those Vans gauges to go nuts. I took a Qantas FO for a flight the other day and his comment was "what the". I have got used to it and look away when transmitting! Chris and Susie VH-MUM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" > > I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away. I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance > > > Wayne > RV-8A qb > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:38 PM PST US From: "flamini2" Subject: RV-List: Fw: RVs FLYOUT !! --> RV-List message posted by: "flamini2" i thought the Chicago guys active, looks like Indy is outdoing us. Dennis in Chicago ----- Original Message ----- From: PILOT8127@aol.com Subject: RE: RVs FLYOUT !! Hey RVers, What a great TURNOUT at Greencastle today!! WOW!! The B'Fast was the usual,,,very tasty, very well prepared, and a bargain at $5 American dollars........all you can eat!! 15-RVers were seated at the many different tables this morning! What a crowd. The ramp was full too. Overflowing to the north parking lot! The list of RVers at Putnam Co. 4I7: 1. Larry B. RVsuper8 2. Glen D. Soneri (RVone/half) 3. Gary R. RV6A (not AJ this time) 4. Dave C. RV4 5. Denny/Gaynel S. RV4 6. Tom U. RV4R 7. Tom McC. Yak (long RV) 8. Wayne R. RV6A 9. Jim G. RV6 10. Norm P. RV6A 11. Max S. RV7A 12. Dan D. RV6A 13. Steve W. RV4 14. Tom P. RV172 15. Jim N. RV4 After a FINE 'buffet' style, sit-down breakfast I blasted out for the Terre Haute AIR-Show! I may have missed some late arrivers as I left right at 9AM. If so, send me a note and I'll add you too the list! Sunday: Mid-morning BRUNCH at Mattoon, Ill. (KMTO) EAT at 10AM. AVOID the Terre Haute airspace as the "Airshow" will have an airspace wavier in effect at that time! I'll be leaving Brazil about 9:15 and heading NORTH to skirt around T.H. See ya all at Mattoon tomorrow!! The weather is gonna be awesome. Monitor 22.85 CELL 812-240-8970 more later, ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:53 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Interference --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer I guess what is really frustrating here reading this stuff is that I keep seeing it referred to as VAN'S gauges. This happens to anyone's gauge if things are not properly grounded and shielded. Not just a gauge that was bought from Van's. Jerry do not archive chris m wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: chris m > > I don't know about the lights dimming cause I don't use them but it is very > very normal for those Vans gauges to go nuts. I took a Qantas FO for a > flight the other day and his comment was "what the". > I have got used to it and look away when transmitting! > > Chris and Susie > VH-MUM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne R. Couture" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Radio Interference > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" > > > >> I need help with a radio interference problem. I wired a friends 8 > > for him last summer and everything seemed to work fine until he mounted his > antenna's last week. When he keyed the radio everything went haywire. The > ammeter (Van's) pegged, the manifold pressure dropped and the panel lights > dimmed. When I put the radio back on the dummy load, the problem goes away. > I used RG-400 double shielded antenna wire. The antenna is located under > the pilot seat and is a bent wire type from Van's. I used shielded wire for > the intercom and P leads but nothing else. Can someone tell me where the > most likely place to start looking for this gremlin? I am an electronics > tech but have zero experience on aircraft. I need to fix this for him > because he's almost ready to fly. Thanks in advance > >> >>Wayne >>RV-8A qb >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:40 PM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Several 7 fuselage questions. tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Dana, Those of us who know you know that your doubt was gone long before that post.:) If you can get a 3/4 in now. Go ahead and do it. THe first coax you run down there when moving some antennae after hundreds of hours of flying cause you want 2 more knots, and you will wish you put a bigger PVC in there. Don't get too particular on the "4" bushings you have installed. If it takes 8, then put 8 in. Long as your leaving most of the material, you will be fine. Put more bushing, and wire passes than you think you need. You just might use em one day. Ask me how I know. Mike do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall Subject: RV-List: Several 7 fuselage questions. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Like the ol saying warns, "it is best to remain silent and appear ignorant than to speak up and remove all doubt", I am going to remove all doubts here. I am not an electrical person, never claimed to be and will never be even if I stay at the Holiday Inn Express. Anyway here goes: My electrial wiring will be coming from my wing tips via this 1/2" ID conduit, http://rvflying.tripod.com/q2.jpg Outboard on the wings will be position light, strobe and landing light. I'll think about a com in one and a nav in the other. Is there anyway to get all the wiring through this conduit. I will also have a trutrack that I am assuming will have it's own flexible conduit installed through a couple lightning holes. Next question: I am assuming as wiring exits the above conduit it will pass through this outboard snap bushing http://rvflying.tripod.com/q4.jpg I am using a manual elevator trim so, once again assuming here from the control systems layout drawing, that one of the center bushing in the the spar center section is going to get used up by that cable. In doing that, only one bushing will be available for for to aft routing of wiring. I will only have a PTT and frequency flip flop on my stick. Aft will be strobe box, position light and trutrack altitude hold. If I do install antennas, they will be under the pilot center section. Since there are only four snap bushing in the center section, two outboard and two inboard, what do you think, will I need to run some wiring aft from those two outer most center spar section snap bushings and Unibit these aft center section floor ribs for snap busings to reroute them inboard http://rvflying.tripod.com/q3.jpg or simple keep going aft. I already drilled out the optional snap bushing holes from the 706 buldhead aft? Man, that was a long and wandering sentence. These optional holes are on the passenger side of center as the manual elevator cable takes up the pilot side bushing. I really want to get all this stuff finalized before I rivet the first piece of the center section together. Once again, sorry for what might appear ignorant but I am not electrical. I throw the switch, if it doesn't come on I change the bulb. Really learning a lot from Electric Bob, but still have a long way to go. I know I just threw a lot out there, but I feel like a kid on his first day at high school....so many things to remember but so many pretty girls (fuselage) to look at. Thanks gang, Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:26 PM PST US From: vern@mindspring.com (Vern Darley) psiled@aol.com, n880rv@yahoo.com, rvator4@hotmail.com, douglas.reeves@archongroup.com, mstewart@qa.butler.com, vern_darley@fca.com, amanda_darley@mindspring.com, t.darley@aiscomputers.com, darleyfamily@mindspring.com, vern@mindspring.com Subject: RV-List: Flash gets painted-view my album on Club Photo! --> RV-List message posted by: vern@mindspring.com (Vern Darley) You are invited to view a Photo Album from Vern Darley. Doug Reeves picked up his RV-6 'Flash' from Mike Taylor's Razors Edge Paint shop in Alabama. Sign up with Club Photo today and get 25 cent 4x6 prints! Photo Album: http://www.clubphoto.com/reward.php?id=1451734&mid=members19_vern733619&pwd=721b Top 5 reasons to join Club Photo today! 1) Get quality prints from that new digital camera you got 2) Share photos online 3) Send in film, get prints, and share the pictures online 4) Buy great photo gifts for the holidays You can join today at ... http://www.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/members/sign_up.pl ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:38 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: RV-List: off subject story --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" All, They say, we "pilots march to the beat of a different drum." Too often we are unable to find others who can hear the music. Knowing full well there are many here who can hear the music, I trust you will oblige me my story and answer my question. My nephew, Daniel, (son of wife's brother) is 16 and came to Iowa to spend some time with Grandma & Pa and Aunt Chris & Uncle Doug. The mission was to get him soloed while he was here. It would have cost more to buy insurance to solo him in my L-2 than to rent a Cherokee from the FBO so out of kindness to the L-2 we chose the Cherokee. I have been an Instructor for many years, I have signed off several logbooks for Commercial rating, Multi-engine ratings, B-25 type-ratings, slapped people on the back and said, "go have fun" in a Mustang, but I have never, ever, in my entire Instructor life signed the back of a Student Pilot Certificate. It was not scary, I was more concerned about sending a 16 year old downtown in our company van. He did great, I knew he would and on a beautiful July night as the sun was growing orange in the west and hot air-balloons floating across our lake, I watched him fly 3 circuits, we trimmed his shirt tail, opened a bottle of non-alcoholic Champagne with a screw top and took pictures that we will send to his parents. What a great day! What do other people do on a Saturday while we are listening to the music???? Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal BTW I almost forgot my question, I need to send him home to Houston to find a flight school on the NW side of town. A down home kinda place where taildraggers are welcome, there is an airport dog, and they hire 16 year old kids to wash and fuel airplanes. Any suggestions? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:21 PM PST US From: "Larry Pardue" Subject: Re: [nonspam] RV-List: off subject story --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > All, > > > > BTW I almost forgot my question, I need to send him home to Houston to find a flight school on the NW side of town. A down home kinda place where taildraggers are welcome, there is an airport dog, and they hire 16 year old kids to wash and fuel airplanes. Any suggestions? > > Do not archive > I've only been there once, but sounds kind of like Hooks. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:03 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: off subject story --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Uncle Doug: Great story. Wish I could have soled when I was 16. BTW....I will from this point forward call you Uncle Doug! ; ) Do Not Archive Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A fuse...Wishing I had ordered my finish kit sooner....This 17 week lead time is KILLING me! Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: RV-List: off subject story > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > All, > > They say, we "pilots march to the beat of a different drum." Too often we are unable to find others who can hear the music. Knowing full well there are many here who can hear the music, I trust you will oblige me my story and answer my question. > > My nephew, Daniel, (son of wife's brother) is 16 and came to Iowa to spend some time with Grandma & Pa and Aunt Chris & Uncle Doug. > > The mission was to get him soloed while he was here. It would have cost more to buy insurance to solo him in my L-2 than to rent a Cherokee from the FBO so out of kindness to the L-2 we chose the Cherokee. > > I have been an Instructor for many years, I have signed off several logbooks for Commercial rating, Multi-engine ratings, B-25 type-ratings, slapped people on the back and said, "go have fun" in a Mustang, but I have never, ever, in my entire Instructor life signed the back of a Student Pilot Certificate. > > It was not scary, I was more concerned about sending a 16 year old downtown in our company van. He did great, I knew he would and on a beautiful July night as the sun was growing orange in the west and hot air-balloons floating across our lake, I watched him fly 3 circuits, we trimmed his shirt tail, opened a bottle of non-alcoholic Champagne with a screw top and took pictures that we will send to his parents. > > What a great day! What do other people do on a Saturday while we are listening to the music???? > > Tailwinds, > Doug Rozendaal > > BTW I almost forgot my question, I need to send him home to Houston to find a flight school on the NW side of town. A down home kinda place where taildraggers are welcome, there is an airport dog, and they hire 16 year old kids to wash and fuel airplanes. Any suggestions? > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:45 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: off subject story --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > >All, > >They say, we "pilots march to the beat of a different drum." Too often we >are unable to find others who can hear the music. Knowing full well there >are many here who can hear the music, I trust you will oblige me my story >and answer my question. > >My nephew, Daniel, (son of wife's brother) is 16 and came to Iowa to spend >some time with Grandma & Pa and Aunt Chris & Uncle Doug. > >The mission was to get him soloed while he was here. It would have cost >more to buy insurance to solo him in my L-2 than to rent a Cherokee from >the FBO so out of kindness to the L-2 we chose the Cherokee. > >I have been an Instructor for many years, I have signed off several >logbooks for Commercial rating, Multi-engine ratings, B-25 type-ratings, >slapped people on the back and said, "go have fun" in a Mustang, but I have >never, ever, in my entire Instructor life signed the back of a Student >Pilot Certificate. > >It was not scary, I was more concerned about sending a 16 year old downtown >in our company van. He did great, I knew he would and on a beautiful July >night as the sun was growing orange in the west and hot air-balloons >floating across our lake, I watched him fly 3 circuits, we trimmed his >shirt tail, opened a bottle of non-alcoholic Champagne with a screw top and >took pictures that we will send to his parents. > >What a great day! What do other people do on a Saturday while we are >listening to the music???? > >Tailwinds, >Doug Rozendaal Oh man, this just warms my heart. It's stories like this that make America great. Maybe I'm just a sentimental type of guy, but seeing a youngster living a dream, with a skilled and supportive uncle there to help make it so, it's just....well goll darnit...downright neat. Well Done, Doug. Now, if I can just figure out how to join that cadre of back-slapped new Mustang drivers.... Brian Denk RV8 N94BD Albuquerque, NM do not archive