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1. 08:44 AM - Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin (DJB6A@cs.com)
2. 09:55 AM - Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin (Michael McGee)
3. 02:59 PM - Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin (Jim Sears)
4. 03:40 PM - Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin (Ed Anderson)
5. 04:16 PM - Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin (Paul Besing)
6. 04:24 PM - Re: Seats (bert murillo)
7. 05:18 PM - Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin (Dana Overall)
8. 06:52 PM - Comm Question (Edward Christian)
9. 07:22 PM - Trim tab bends (David Taylor)
10. 07:50 PM - Re: Comm Question (Alex Peterson)
11. 08:16 PM - Re: Trim tab bends (Steven Eberhart)
12. 08:16 PM - Re: Trim tab bends (RVator)
13. 08:52 PM - Re: Comm Question (R. Perry McConnell)
14. 09:53 PM - Re: Comm Question (R. Perry McConnell)
15. 10:11 PM - Re: Comm Question (Rquinn1@aol.com)
16. 10:20 PM - Re: Comm Question (Stein Bruch)
17. 10:25 PM - Re: Trim tab bends (Karie Daniel)
18. 11:35 PM - Re: Trim tab bends (James Jula)
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin |
--> RV-List message posted by: DJB6A@cs.com
Interesting? More like, very scary! Been away and just saw the news this
morning. I should receive my wired UPSAT package this week. SL15M, CNX80, SL60
&
SL70R
Hope I don't end up with very expensive ballast!
Dave Burnham
RV6A
wiring
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
What I'm hoping is that the most home builder friendly warranty policy of
UPSAT doesn't go away. Garmin follows suit with other avionics
manufacturers in that the warranty starts with the date of
purchase. UPSAT's warranty starts with the installation or first
flight. This is my understanding of the situation, someone feel free to
correct me if I'm off base on this.
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR, 13B in gestation mode
RV-9A Empennage
At 11:36 2003-07-28 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: DJB6A@cs.com
>
>Interesting? More like, very scary! Been away and just saw the news this
>morning. I should receive my wired UPSAT package this week. SL15M, CNX80,
>SL60 &
>SL70R
>
>Hope I don't end up with very expensive ballast!
>
>Dave Burnham
>RV6A
>wiring
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
> What I'm hoping is that the most home builder friendly warranty policy of
> UPSAT doesn't go away. Garmin follows suit with other avionics
> manufacturers in that the warranty starts with the date of
> purchase. UPSAT's warranty starts with the installation or first
> flight. This is my understanding of the situation, someone feel free to
> correct me if I'm off base on this.
>
What we need to start worrying about is whether or not UPSAT goes away. The warranty
won't be worth diddly if UPSAT disappears. Ask those who have Terra equipment
what they've gone through since it was bought and put out of business.
I really liked their stuff and would have bought some of it had I not been lucky
enough to learn about their demise before I needed mine. I have a UPSAT GPS/com,
have had Apollo Lorans, and really like their equipment. I'd really hate
to see it disappear and give me one less choice of equipment to buy. I can
assure you, it won't make me chose Garmin. I don't care for it, actually. Sorry
to those of you who almost worship your Garmin stuff. I just happen to like
my UPSAT stuff and would buy more of it for future projects, if it were around.
Hopefully, I'll be able to get it via the used market, if nothing else.
Of course, I'm talking prematurely; but, I can't help remembering Terra. It
was a good little company that dealt mostly with us homebuilders. Of course,
there's always King equipment and others I can pick from.
BTW, the UPSAT and King equipment I got for my RV came with installation manuals.
The Garmin GPS/com that a friend got for his RV didn't. He had to download
it from a website or pay for it. Knowing what he paid for his unit, I considered
that pretty darned cheap of Garmin. It makes me wonder where else they've
cut costs at our expense. Hopefully, you other Garmin customers did get your
installation manuals.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
SNIP
. Of course, I'm talking prematurely; but, I can't help remembering Terra.
It was a good little company that dealt mostly with us homebuilders. Of
course, there's always King equipment and others I can pick from.
>
> BTW, the UPSAT and King equipment I got for my RV came with installation
manuals. The Garmin GPS/com that a friend got for his RV didn't. He had to
download it from a website or pay for it. Knowing what he paid for his
unit, I considered that pretty darned cheap of Garmin. It makes me wonder
where else they've cut costs at our expense. Hopefully, you other Garmin
customers did get your installation manuals.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
Right On! I fly with Terra Radio, Nav, beacon rcvr and transponder. Should
a problem arise, I hate to think about trying to get them fixed. Support
was intially pretty good after Trimble deep sixed the Terra equipment line,
but has steadily dwindled to where it is very difficult to find repair
support. Can't blame the repair shops, who wants to maintain the equipment
and documentation for a dead and dying set of avonics.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW
Matthews, NC
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Strange. I had a Garmin GNC250XL in my RV and loved it. It came with very
detailed manuals, and were pretty flexible about the warranty coverage in
regards to home installation by me. You milage may vary, I guess. The best
Comm I have ever used, and the GPS was flawless.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
>
> > What I'm hoping is that the most home builder friendly warranty policy
of
> > UPSAT doesn't go away. Garmin follows suit with other avionics
> > manufacturers in that the warranty starts with the date of
> > purchase. UPSAT's warranty starts with the installation or first
> > flight. This is my understanding of the situation, someone feel free to
> > correct me if I'm off base on this.
> >
>
> What we need to start worrying about is whether or not UPSAT goes away.
The warranty won't be worth diddly if UPSAT disappears. Ask those who have
Terra equipment what they've gone through since it was bought and put out of
business.
> I really liked their stuff and would have bought some of it had I not been
lucky enough to learn about their demise before I needed mine. I have a
UPSAT GPS/com, have had Apollo Lorans, and really like their equipment. I'd
really hate to see it disappear and give me one less choice of equipment to
buy. I can assure you, it won't make me chose Garmin. I don't care for it,
actually. Sorry to those of you who almost worship your Garmin stuff. I
just happen to like my UPSAT stuff and would buy more of it for future
projects, if it were around. Hopefully, I'll be able to get it via the used
market, if nothing else. Of course, I'm talking prematurely; but, I can't
help remembering Terra. It was a good little company that dealt mostly with
us homebuilders. Of course, there's always King equipment and others I can
pick from.
>
> BTW, the UPSAT and King equipment I got for my RV came with installation
manuals. The Garmin GPS/com that a friend got for his RV didn't. He had to
download it from a website or pay for it. Knowing what he paid for his
unit, I considered that pretty darned cheap of Garmin. It makes me wonder
where else they've cut costs at our expense. Hopefully, you other Garmin
customers did get your installation manuals.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Kelley:
I just saw your e mail..I don't have seats yet on
my rv6, waiting for them..(.you said Van's have now
seats?)
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT Buyout by Garmin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Strange. I had a Garmin GNC250XL in my RV and loved it. It came with very
>detailed manuals, and were pretty flexible about the warranty coverage in
>regards to home installation by me
That's kinda been my experience with them. I have a 300XL GPS/COM in my
Bonanza and am looking at my 430 sitting here in the box for the RV. I love
the com and haven't had the first problem with the GPS either. I'm putting
a Garmin 327 transponder in the RV based on my experience with them. It may
just be luck on my part but I don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Garmin
been berry, berry good to me:-)
Course I know Jim has been busy with his head stuck inside a recently flown
9, he may still be a little dizzy from the experience;)
Off to Oshkosh to spend the rest of this avionics money!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Edward Christian <edchristian@knology.net>
I have a RV-6 purchased from builder who lost medical. Only have 10 hrs
on it.
Initially, it had a KING KX-125 Comm/NAV.
The NAV worked fine but the Comm would only receive but no transmission.
I was planning on changing radios anyway so I thought maybe it was the
radio.
Installed a GARMIN 300 Comm/GPS. GPS works fine but the Comm is having
the same problem. I did note that on both radios, when you PTT, I did
get a TX symbol
in the radio itself. I checked Comm antenna with meter OK. I suspect
there could be a problem with
the push-to-talk button or headset jacks.
Anybody out there with any advice on how to trouble shoot this would be
much appreciated!
Ed
___________________
edchristian@knology.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
Does anyone have an easy method for bending the trim tab skins? I've messed up
2 so far and the 3rd is on order. I prefer to make the bends and not make ribs.
I used the method from the Orndorff empennage video which is to use a v-jig
and a wedge but the wedge moves inside the skin making a bow in the bend. Any
detailed pics are appreciated.
-David Taylor
Warner Robins,
GA
Empennage/Wings
N207DT reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
How did you check the comm antenna? Is it grounded well? How about the
coax lines/connectors?
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 329 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
> Installed a GARMIN 300 Comm/GPS. GPS works fine but the Comm
> is having the same problem. I did note that on both radios,
> when you PTT, I did
> get a TX symbol
> in the radio itself. I checked Comm antenna with meter OK. I suspect
> there could be a problem with
> the push-to-talk button or headset jacks.
>
> Anybody out there with any advice on how to trouble shoot
> this would be
> much appreciated!
>
> Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab bends |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
About the time I did mine, there was a thread about it on this list. I
ended up taking one of the suggestions and didn't even try to bend the
tabs. Cut them off and made up separate end ribs and riveted them in
like we do for all of the control surfaces. Worked perfectly and looks
much better than the rather cheap looking tabs (IMHO)
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A - just finished riveting the bottom skins on the first wing panel.
N14SE reserved
David Taylor wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone have an easy method for bending the trim tab skins? I've messed
up 2 so far and the 3rd is on order. I prefer to make the bends and not make
ribs. I used the method from the Orndorff empennage video which is to use a v-jig
and a wedge but the wedge moves inside the skin making a bow in the bend.
Any detailed pics are appreciated.
>
> -David Taylor
> Warner Robins,
GA
> Empennage/Wings
N207DT reserved
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab bends |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RVator" <rv7a@cox.net>
On my second set I started the bends with the hand seamers. They came out
ok. But if it even looked like it wasn't going to work I was going to the
rib approach. Have seen some in this area with ribs and personally feel it
makes a better looking installation.
Jim Thorne
7A-QB CHD
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: Trim tab bends
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone have an easy method for bending the trim tab skins? I've
messed up 2 so far and the 3rd is on order. I prefer to make the bends and
not make ribs. I used the method from the Orndorff empennage video which is
to use a v-jig and a wedge but the wedge moves inside the skin making a bow
in the bend. Any detailed pics are appreciated.
>
> -David
Taylor
> Warner
Robins, GA
>
Empennage/Wings N207DT reserved
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Perry McConnell" <rpm@rpmpc.com>
If PTT lights the TX, then the circuit telling the radio to transmit is ok.
Possible bad connections / broken wires / or dead circuits:
#1) Mike to radio
#2) Radio transmit circuit
#3) Radio to antenna
#4) Dead antenna
If you've got the same symptom on two radios, #2 is (probably!)
eliminated. (there is a very small, but positive & non-zero-probability
that the transmit circuits for both radios were dead, leaving you with
the same symptom for two different radios)
If you can receive, the antenna's not dead, and the radio to antenna
connection should check ok.
Most probable -- check the hot & ground connections from your jack to
your radio input & frame ground. Don't just try to put a meter on
them. Pull them, clean them (if possible) (move them back & forth
otherwise) & tighten 'em down good.
Second most probable -- try another headset to make sure that the mic
connections in the headset to the jack plug haven't gone south.
Hope this helps,
Perry
Edward Christian wrote:
>Initially, it had a KING KX-125 Comm/NAV.
>The NAV worked fine but the Comm would only receive but no transmission.
>. . .Installed a GARMIN 300 Comm/GPS. . . .the Comm is having
>
>the same problem. I did note that on both radios, when you PTT, I did
>get a TX symbol in the radio itself.. . .
>
>
>Anybody out there with any advice on how to trouble shoot this would be much appreciated!
>
>Ed
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Perry McConnell" <rpm@rpmpc.com>
Oh, yeah, & (duh! like I'm too dense to mention the obvious) make sure
all your mic (hot) to ground impedences between you and the radio
(headset, wires, jack, radio connector) are clean. As in infiinity.
Bent contacts causing a short on the mic jack could cause the problem
you're describing.
Perry
R. Perry McConnell wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Perry McConnell" <rpm@rpmpc.com>
>
>If PTT lights the TX, then the circuit telling the radio to transmit is ok.
>Possible bad connections / broken wires / or dead circuits:
>#1) Mike to radio
>#2) Radio transmit circuit
>#3) Radio to antenna
>#4) Dead antenna
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com
Do you have an intercom system. If so your audio goes thru the intercom to
both head sets. You may check the wiring in the audio part of the intercom.
(if you have one)
Rollie & Rod
RV6A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Ed,
Having just finished wiring up my 2nd RV panel, and just doing the COMM/CD
Player/Intercom/PTT/Jacks today, it's still pretty fresh in my mind. If the
PTT yields at "Tx" than obviously that's working OK, however it doesn't mean
that the rest of the MIC jack is wired right. I would check to make sure
that the MIC jacks are wired correctly. They can do some pretty funky
things since the PTT basically uses a ground to switch.
If they check out OK, then make sure all the coax connectors are good on the
cables. Quite a few times when people are installing BNC connectors, they
will be a piece of the shielding touching the conductor-this causes problems
too. Take a multi-meter and make absolutely sure that the center conductor
is still insulated from the shielding on both ends. If the BNC connectors
are the "twist on" and not the crimped type, this is a high suspect area.
Last but not least, look at the antenna itself. Is it a whip or wing tip??
I have both in my currently flying -6, and both work, although the whip is
FAR superior in both tx and rx. Check the antenna to make sure it has a
good ground plane, etc..
Other than that, look for those pesky little gremlins!
Good luck,
Stein Bruch
RV6, N664SB - 130hrs
RV6, N4YU - Finishing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Edward Christian
Subject: RV-List: Comm Question
--> RV-List message posted by: Edward Christian <edchristian@knology.net>
I have a RV-6 purchased from builder who lost medical. Only have 10 hrs
on it.
Initially, it had a KING KX-125 Comm/NAV.
The NAV worked fine but the Comm would only receive but no transmission.
I was planning on changing radios anyway so I thought maybe it was the
radio.
Installed a GARMIN 300 Comm/GPS. GPS works fine but the Comm is having
the same problem. I did note that on both radios, when you PTT, I did
get a TX symbol
in the radio itself. I checked Comm antenna with meter OK. I suspect
there could be a problem with
the push-to-talk button or headset jacks.
Anybody out there with any advice on how to trouble shoot this would be
much appreciated!
Ed
___________________
edchristian@knology.net
___________________
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab bends |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Just curious, have you bent the tabs on the elevator skin yet? How did those
turn out? The reason I ask is because the plans have pictures of a the wedge
and some large C clamps holding the skin to the bench. I am in this exact
same spot right now and don't want to screw this up since I have so many
hours invested in the skin, stiffeners and trim access.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: Trim tab bends
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone have an easy method for bending the trim tab skins? I've
messed up 2 so far and the 3rd is on order. I prefer to make the bends and
not make ribs. I used the method from the Orndorff empennage video which is
to use a v-jig and a wedge but the wedge moves inside the skin making a bow
in the bend. Any detailed pics are appreciated.
>
> -David
Taylor
> Warner
Robins, GA
>
Empennage/Wings N207DT reserved
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" <jmjula@comcast.net>
Use the stickiest double sided tape you can find, and install it between the
wooden wedges and the skin for both pieces. This helps keep the wedges from
shifting. You can also drill a hole through both blocks of wood and insert a
drill bit or other to lock the two pieces together on the end that is
accessible. Then clamp as well as you can on both ends.
Before you get out the hammer, make the bends manually as far as possible
with your fingers. Then you can use a piece of wood or medium sized dowel to
slowly hammer it into place. Going slow also helps avoid movement of the
wedges. It is also a good idea to radius the sides of the wedges to match
the inside bend radius of the tab.
Best of luck,
James
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Taylor
Subject: RV-List: Trim tab bends
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
Does anyone have an easy method for bending the trim tab skins? I've
messed up 2 so far and the 3rd is on order. I prefer to make the bends and
not make ribs. I used the method from the Orndorff empennage video which is
to use a v-jig and a wedge but the wedge moves inside the skin making a bow
in the bend. Any detailed pics are appreciated.
-David
Taylor
Warner
Robins, GA
Empennage/Wings N207DT reserved
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