Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:11 AM - Yet another new engine (Brian Denk)
2. 07:13 AM - RV-7 C1C Engine (Clinchy, Dave)
3. 07:32 AM - Hail damage (Scott Bilinski)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Yet another new engine (Tedd McHenry)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: Hail damage (Laird Owens)
6. 09:56 AM - Re: Yet another new engine (terence.gannon@telus.net)
7. 10:30 AM - Marvel Schebler--& Slick Handling (Gary Graham)
8. 10:57 AM - Re: Hail damage (Brian Denk)
9. 11:34 AM - Roll Over Structure (Gary Graham)
10. 11:48 AM - Re: Yet another new engine (Tedd McHenry)
11. 11:48 AM - Re: Hail damage (Terry Watson)
12. 11:56 AM - Re: Hail damage (Terry Watson)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (SportAV8R@aol.com)
14. 12:24 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (terence.gannon@telus.net)
15. 12:34 PM - Re: Marvel Schebler--& Slick Handling (Elsa & Henry)
16. 01:07 PM - Re: Hail damage (Pat Hatch)
17. 01:42 PM - Re:Yet another new engine (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
18. 02:24 PM - Re: Re:Yet another new engine (Scott Bilinski)
19. 03:21 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (Bill Dube)
20. 03:58 PM - Re: Hail damage (Terry Watson)
21. 04:37 PM - Fiberglass - Next? (Duane Bentley)
22. 05:39 PM - Re: Fiberglass - Next? (Kyle Boatright)
23. 06:23 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (Jim Jewell)
24. 06:32 PM - RV6 Flight Training in NY, ??? RV Forum NY 9-13 (RV6160hp@aol.com)
25. 07:34 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (Terence Gannon)
26. 07:36 PM - Trim Cable slop (Patrick Kelley)
27. 09:22 PM - Flop tube resting point (James Jula)
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| Subject: | Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Listers,
I found another new airplane engine manufacturer via Avweb at
http://www.nagelengine.com/engine.html
Looks pretty neat, if it ever actually gets produced and priced reasonably.
Ok, so I'm not easily impressed by the new engine gurus out there. What
ever happened to all those diesels that were supposed to revolutionize the
industry?
Still, the Nagel sure would be nice in the RV-10...it's a twelve banger!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 tailkit
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Clinchy, Dave" <clinchd@losrios.edu>
Hi listers,
I'm looking at a potential engine for my RV-7. What do you guys know
about the IO-360 C1C engine? Are there any installation problems with
this engine in a RV-7?
Thanks
Dave Clinchy
RV-7 Fuse
Sacramento, CA
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Just how big does hail have to be before it will damage a RV on the ground?
Reason I ask is yesterday there was pea size hail around Oshkosh. Dont
think any fell at OSH though.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> What ever happened to all those diesels that were supposed to revolutionize
> the industry?
They're supposed to revolutionize the industry in Europe, where
fuel--especially avgas--is far more expensive than in the U.S. And they are.
Have a look at any of the European magazines, and consider the Diamond DA42.
But I don't think you're going to see a big switch to diesels in the U.S., at
least not for a while.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I don't know about the the minimum size (my guess would be 3/8 to
1/2"), but I saw a red RV-6 at the Whiteman transient ramp a couple
of days ago that looked like a golf ball. Every upper skin on the
airplane had significant damage. I was supprised the canopy wasn't
cracked. I'd bet it flies just the same....
Laird RV-6
WHP
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Just how big does hail have to be before it will damage a RV on the ground?
>Reason I ask is yesterday there was pea size hail around Oshkosh. Dont
>think any fell at OSH though.
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
Tedd --
You said...
"But I don't think you're going to see a big switch to diesels in the U.S., at
least not for a while."
Care to expand on that? Inquiring minds want to know...
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings, Firewall"
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| Subject: | Marvel Schebler--& Slick Handling |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Graham <beeb@teleport.com>
Thanks Henry for once again pointing out that: "The Paper does not refuse
the Pen" Check out the paragraph that starts with: "Once you've carefully
removed the magneto" Look at the last sentence in this paragraph. Are we
talking about "Locking pin" here? mag vs locking pin? I was also not very
clear on the rubber bushing retainer that was described as being part of the
engine gear train. I thought that the rubber coupling was part of the mag,
and the mag gear interfaced directly with the accessory gear in the
engine??? Going on memory here. Is it working. Gary
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Time: 03:08:37 PM PST US
From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Marvel Schebler--& Slick Handling
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Sam Buchanan, graciously provided an interesting link at my request for
information on Slick Magnetos in his reply post of 7/ 26 /03. It is a 5 page
article titled "Slick Handling", basically on timing those items.
But,-isn't it funny how some people go out of their way to make themselves
perfectly clear by over-doing the description of what they are writing
about, to the point that they completely screw up the original statement!
Case in point:
The author of the article, Chris Maida, on the second page is describing how
to locate the No. 1 cylinder, (quote) "---On a Lycoming, No. 1 is the front
cylinder on the right side of the engine,---" --Now if he had left that
statement right there, it would have been correct as is, because we know
what the right side (Starboard) of an aircraft is, as the right wing, right
aileron, right nav light (Green),etc, etc. But no! He continues the above,
(quote), "---viewed from the front of the plane (i.e., looking back toward
the tail).--" -----So now I'm standing in font of the engine, looking toward
the tail and my right side is now the port side of the engine!--- End of
case in point!
It's not the first publication I've seen that has screwed this up! A glaring
example is an old book I have, "Aircraft Reciprocating Engines" EA ARE, a
Jeppesen Sanderson Training Product, where on page 16 the cylinder layout
titles for Lycomings and Continentals are interchanged!
Thought you might be amused! Cheers!!--Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>I don't know about the the minimum size (my guess would be 3/8 to
>1/2"), but I saw a red RV-6 at the Whiteman transient ramp a couple
>of days ago that looked like a golf ball. Every upper skin on the
>airplane had significant damage. I was supprised the canopy wasn't
>cracked. I'd bet it flies just the same....
>
>Laird RV-6
>WHP
I also saw a pock-market RV-6 golfball a few years ago. The owner said it
still flies plenty fast. Must have been a Titelist.
hehe.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Roll Over Structure |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Graham <beeb@teleport.com>
I have been thinking about the recent death of a fellow RVer and friend.
It was reported that his neck was broken when his RV-4 fast back, ended up
on its back in an off airport landing. I thought I remembered a custom bar
(looking like the one in the RV-8) that was used in place of the "tower"
roll over structure that Van's designed for the RV-4. Looking through my
photos confirmed this.
I remember that when the RV-4 and Rocket II, were what 2 place guys were
building. There were many changes to the roll over structure showing up a
flyins. At the time, I liked the looks of the curved top bar from the
"Bakersfield Bunch". Going for function I ended up with the stock structure
with a slightly increased surface area at the top.
Now, every time I see a Rocket II or similar tandem seating airplane with a
tipover canopy, I picture it upside down resting on whatever, and
wondering if 200 pounds hanging in the straps has head room.
Please don't get me wrong here. This is not a critical comment on any
design or builder. I just wonder if my friend would have had a better
chance if he had not replaced the full height roll over structure. Food for
thought.
Gary, RV-4 FB
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> "But I don't think you're going to see a big switch to diesels in the U.S., at
> least not for a while."
>
> Care to expand on that? Inquiring minds want to know...
This from the hip, since I don't have the numbers in front of me. But the
argument in favour of diesels in Europe is that the fuel costs savings (and
possible--though unproven--lower maintenance cost) is enough to justify a
higher purchase price for the diesel engines. This is for commercial
operators.
Because fuel prices in North America are much less (and the difference between
avgas and jet fuel is less, too, I think), the numbers don't work out in favour
of the diesel here, yet. Note that few if any of the diesels are advertising
that they're cheaper than a Lycoming (in purchase price), only that their
life-cycle cost is less for commercial operators. Once you allow for North
American fuel prices, and for a private operator who logs fewer hours per year,
there isn't a good cost argument for switching to diesel.
Some people will choose diesel for other reasons, I expect. Perhaps just to
try something different. Also, many of the diesels have turbo normalizing, or
something similar, and that will be appealing to some North American customers.
It's not that there's no reason to switch to diesel, just that cost probably
isn't a good one if you're in North America.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
In the mid 60's, almost the whole fleet of T-38's at Laughlin AFB, Del Rio,
Texas was hail damaged in a storm that dimpled the tops, hoods, and trunk
lids of most of the cars in the area. The planes still seemed to fly fine.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hail damage
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>I don't know about the the minimum size (my guess would be 3/8 to
>1/2"), but I saw a red RV-6 at the Whiteman transient ramp a couple
>of days ago that looked like a golf ball. Every upper skin on the
>airplane had significant damage. I was supprised the canopy wasn't
>cracked. I'd bet it flies just the same....
>
>Laird RV-6
>WHP
I also saw a pock-market RV-6 golfball a few years ago. The owner said it
still flies plenty fast. Must have been a Titelist.
hehe.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I just remembered that Pat Hatch would have flown the hail-dimpled T-38's at
Laughlin. He would know if it affected performance.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hail damage
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>I don't know about the the minimum size (my guess would be 3/8 to
>1/2"), but I saw a red RV-6 at the Whiteman transient ramp a couple
>of days ago that looked like a golf ball. Every upper skin on the
>airplane had significant damage. I was supprised the canopy wasn't
>cracked. I'd bet it flies just the same....
>
>Laird RV-6
>WHP
I also saw a pock-market RV-6 golfball a few years ago. The owner said it
still flies plenty fast. Must have been a Titelist.
hehe.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 07/31/2003 2:49:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tedd@vansairforce.org writes:
> Some people will choose diesel for other reasons, I expect. Perhaps just
> to
> try something different
Reliability comes to mind (no ignition system) as does reduced fire risk. If
only they could be made to give off that sweet smell of a Lyc burning 100LL
;-)
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
Tedd --
"It's not that there's no reason to switch to diesel, just that cost probably
isn't a good one if you're in North America."
OK, I see what you're saying. I think that you and I may have read the same
article in the most recent issue of the UK-based magazine 'Flyer'. They had
some of their readers do a flight test of the new Diamond aircraft, and I was
mighty impressed by what they had to say about the diesel, both from an
*observed* fuel economy standpoint and also their experience with the FADEC.
Impressed to the point where I think it's worth some time thinking about it as
an alternative, and certainly doing some calculations with respect to payback
based on the current cost differential between Jet A and Avgas. If I actually
follow through with that, I'll publish whatever numbers I come up to the list.
I suspect that we're only going to pay more for all types of fuels in the
future (like in Europe), and also, we are going to be under ongoing pressure
to make our aircraft quieter (also like in Europe), so we may want to look at
their experience and hopefully benefit from it, in some way.
Cheers...
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings, Firewall"
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Schebler--& Slick Handling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Gary, now you've got me--I don't know! I have never taken a magneto off an
engine (except a Lucas, off my BSA Golden Flash motorcycle that I owned 55
years ago) and anticipating I may have to take off the ones I have on my -6A
sometime in the future, I asked for information on that topic and I only
commented on the discrepancy I knew was wrong!
Makes me wonder what other discrepancies there are? Maybe other
knowledgeable Listers can comment on Sam's link content?
Cheers!!--Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Terry,
I don't remember flying any of the dimpled T-38's when I was there (66-67).
I bet they were repaired by then. But then maybe I never noticed, after all
you couldn't see the wings from the cockpit, right?
do not archive
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Hail damage
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> I just remembered that Pat Hatch would have flown the hail-dimpled T-38's
at
> Laughlin. He would know if it affected performance.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hail damage
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
> >
> >I don't know about the the minimum size (my guess would be 3/8 to
> >1/2"), but I saw a red RV-6 at the Whiteman transient ramp a couple
> >of days ago that looked like a golf ball. Every upper skin on the
> >airplane had significant damage. I was supprised the canopy wasn't
> >cracked. I'd bet it flies just the same....
> >
> >Laird RV-6
> >WHP
>
>
> I also saw a pock-market RV-6 golfball a few years ago. The owner said it
> still flies plenty fast. Must have been a Titelist.
>
> hehe.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Have you looked at:
<A HREF="Http://www.dynacam.com">Http://www.dynacam.com ?
This one has been around for years,and now ,may get into production for the
experimental kit plane market.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re:Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I called them once, think the price was about 60k............Dont think
they will sell to many at that price.
At 04:41 PM 7/31/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
>Have you looked at:
> <A HREF="Http://www.dynacam.com">Http://www.dynacam.com ?
>
>This one has been around for years,and now ,may get into production for the
>experimental kit plane market.
>
>
>Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
>RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
>Charleston, Arkansas
>"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
The fuel economy of the diesels appears to be quite good. They burn about
2/3s the fuel of a gasoline engine. Firewall-forward weight appears to be
equivalent, at least for the two-stroke diesels. Cost also appears to be
comparable to Lycoming.
It would not surprise me if the reliability turns out to be the same or
better than Lycoming, once the initial bugs are worked out. The diesels are
simpler in some ways, but more complicated in others, so it will probably
come out even or slightly ahead in terms of reliability. The diesels are
water cooled. This adds complexity, (reducing reliability) but greatly
suppresses thermal shock and cycling, (enhancing reliability.) There is no
ignition system, but there is a high-pressure fuel injection system. In the
case of the two-stroke diesel, there is no valve train, but there is a
supercharger.
The DeltaHawk folks <http://www.deltahawk.com> seems to have a pretty good
design and are targeted towards experimental aircraft. They have just
demonstrated (on the test stand) an inverted version of their engine that
should slip right into the cowling of an RV. They have been flying an
upright version successfully in a Velocity for a few months.
When I'm ready to buy an engine, (about a year from now) I figure the
choice will be pretty clear.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Yea, I remember that. You couldn't see the wings from the cockpit. The
nose disappeared into a point somewhere just in front of your feet. When
you dropped your feet off the brakes and pushed the throttles into
afterburner if felt like a big truck had tail-ended you going about 60. You
would think you were in the nose cone of NASA rocket. Damn, that was fun!
Can I have afterburners in my RV-8?
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hail damage
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Terry,
I don't remember flying any of the dimpled T-38's when I was there (66-67).
I bet they were repaired by then. But then maybe I never noticed, after all
you couldn't see the wings from the cockpit, right?
do not archive
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Fiberglass - Next? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
I'm finishing up my RV6 fiberglass work. After accumulating all the
insight from the archives, I successfully laid up the windscreen fairing
with fiberglass tape and West Systems epoxy. It was a learning
experience, but seemed to work well. I used the West Systems epoxy for
the final contour with their 410 microlight fairing filler. It's all
sanded down easily and looks smooth to the touch and eyes. Now what?
Does this need some sort of material coating before a primer and paint?
I read in the archives of using straight epoxy as a final coat. That
goes on too heavy and uneven and begins to set up way before I'veI used
it up. In addition, I found that it needed to be nearly all sanded off
to get back to the smooth contour I originally had. Someone in the
archives suggested thinning it with acetone, but I was also warned that
this could take days to dry, even in 80 deg weather. Do you go next to
a primer like K38 or what?
Thanks
Duane Bentley
West Chester, OH
RV6 Finishing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Use a filling/sanding primer. Fill and sand until smooth, then you're ready
for paint.
KB
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From: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass - Next?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
>
> I'm finishing up my RV6 fiberglass work. After accumulating all the
> insight from the archives, I successfully laid up the windscreen fairing
> with fiberglass tape and West Systems epoxy. It was a learning
> experience, but seemed to work well. I used the West Systems epoxy for
> the final contour with their 410 microlight fairing filler. It's all
> sanded down easily and looks smooth to the touch and eyes. Now what?
> Does this need some sort of material coating before a primer and paint?
>
>
> I read in the archives of using straight epoxy as a final coat. That
> goes on too heavy and uneven and begins to set up way before I'veI used
> it up. In addition, I found that it needed to be nearly all sanded off
> to get back to the smooth contour I originally had. Someone in the
> archives suggested thinning it with acetone, but I was also warned that
> this could take days to dry, even in 80 deg weather. Do you go next to
> a primer like K38 or what?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Duane Bentley
>
> West Chester, OH
>
> RV6 Finishing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
What ever became of the Lycoming conversion kit that incorporated water
jackets around the cylinders?
In spite of the added complexity and weight this adaptation was supposed to
deal with the shock cooling etc. and provide better power. Did any of these
units get to the market place? Where they just more vapor ware?
Jim in Kelowna
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From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Yet another new engine
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
> The fuel economy of the diesels appears to be quite good. They
burn about
> 2/3s the fuel of a gasoline engine. Firewall-forward weight appears to be
> equivalent, at least for the two-stroke diesels. Cost also appears to be
> comparable to Lycoming.
>
> It would not surprise me if the reliability turns out to be the
same or
> better than Lycoming, once the initial bugs are worked out. The diesels
are
> simpler in some ways, but more complicated in others, so it will probably
> come out even or slightly ahead in terms of reliability. The diesels are
> water cooled. This adds complexity, (reducing reliability) but greatly
> suppresses thermal shock and cycling, (enhancing reliability.) There is no
> ignition system, but there is a high-pressure fuel injection system. In
the
> case of the two-stroke diesel, there is no valve train, but there is a
> supercharger.
>
> The DeltaHawk folks <http://www.deltahawk.com> seems to have a
pretty good
> design and are targeted towards experimental aircraft. They have just
> demonstrated (on the test stand) an inverted version of their engine that
> should slip right into the cowling of an RV. They have been flying an
> upright version successfully in a Velocity for a few months.
>
> When I'm ready to buy an engine, (about a year from now) I figure
the
> choice will be pretty clear.
>
>
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| Subject: | RV6 Flight Training in NY, ??? RV Forum NY 9-13 |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
From Ohio to Maryland up through NEE Canada....1200+ Flyers sent...did you get
your RV Forum Notice, send it back yet???? See you at KFZY (Fulton NY) this
year?
Mark your calendars and plan to attend.
September 12, 2003 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486 General
meeting night too.
September 13, 2003 Saturday technical seminars all day, meals provided to paid
attendee's. Then a nice dinner banquet with a presentation. This year Mr. Kirk
House, ex-Director Curator of the Glenn Cirtiss Museum will talk about the
books on Glenn he wrote, and how Glenn was the ultimate Experimenter!
September 14, 2003 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a coordinated
fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing.
see us at www.eaachapter486.com
We will be updating (correcting-there are ome errors now) our site soon with the
2003 plans. Last year over 56+ RV's and 25 SPAM's flew in with over 150 attendee's.
There was Mike Seager and the Factory RV6 doing trnasitional RV flight instruction
(which is happening again this year so you builders who are close to flight
email Craig Warner at cwarner@twcny.rr.com ) and as well there was manufacturers
like Lycoming and Aerospace logic with tables displaying and selling their
wares.
I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask some one who has been there
the $40 (pre registered) is easily worth it. Hope to See you all there.
OH I plan to give rides this year Dammmmmit! You know my RV? ARE YOU GAME?
Respectfully,
David McManmon
President EAA 486
RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM
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| Subject: | Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
Jim --
www.cooljugs.com
Not a name you forget very easily ;-)
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings, Firewall"
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Jewell
Subject: Re: RV-List: Yet another new engine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
What ever became of the Lycoming conversion kit that incorporated water
jackets around the cylinders? In spite of the added complexity and
weight this adaptation was supposed to deal with the shock cooling etc.
and provide better power. Did any of these units get to the market
place? Where they just more vapor ware?
Jim in Kelowna
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Ok, I think I've seen this in the archives, so I'm doing a search but
thought I'd ask the 'list for any insight. I just fit my manual trim
cable, which was a struggle in itself. It would have been much easier
to do when building the elevator - I wish they had included the cable
with the empennage kit. Drilling the cable routing holes and slotting
the elevator leading edge was much more difficult than it had to be.
And I had to swap out their nylon clevis for a steel one to fit the tab
horn on my pre-pre-punched kit. Thankfully, they were nice about
crediting me for the wrong part. Anyway, it's done. Now, my problem is
that the cable has about 3/16" slop in the cable. Is this normal? Is
there a way to fix it, or did I just get a bad cable that needs to be
replaced? Or am I worrying about a non-problem?
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Finishing up the empennage while waiting on my
painter..
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| Subject: | Flop tube resting point |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James Jula" <jmjula@comcast.net>
I just checked the resting position of the flop tube and noticed that the
head rests in the center of the drain hole. There appears to be adequate
room for water and debris to be drained, but it still worries me a bit. I
could shorten it, but is that necessary?
Thanks,
James
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