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1. 12:02 AM - Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic (Vanremog@aol.com)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic (Alex Peterson)
3. 06:54 AM - Re:Yet Another New Engine (Bob n' Lu Olds)
4. 06:54 AM - Re:Cell phone service (Bob n' Lu Olds)
5. 06:58 AM - Re:Off Airport Landing (Bob n' Lu Olds)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic (aronsond)
7. 08:07 AM - LED position lights. Ready to go! (Bill Dube)
8. 08:12 AM - White LED Tail Light? (Bill Dube)
9. 08:55 AM - edge rolling (Wilder, Scott)
10. 09:37 AM - Re: Re:Off Airport Landing (JusCash@aol.com)
11. 09:47 AM - new builder purchasing tools (Stephen J. Hughes)
12. 09:49 AM - Low fuel warning lights (Terry Watson)
13. 09:50 AM - Re: edge rolling (Steven Eberhart)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic (JusCash@aol.com)
15. 10:04 AM - Re: new builder purchasing tools (Ed Anderson)
16. 10:20 AM - Re: Off Airport Landing (JusCash@aol.com)
17. 10:31 AM - Re: new builder purchasing tools (Dan Checkoway)
18. 10:44 AM - Re: new builder purchasing tools (Albert Gardner)
19. 10:45 AM - Re: Off Airport Landing (HCRV6@aol.com)
20. 10:56 AM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Scott Bilinski)
21. 10:56 AM - Cardinal Paint (Emrath)
22. 10:56 AM - Re: Low fuel warning lights (Mitch Faatz)
23. 10:56 AM - Re: edge rolling (Dean Pichon)
24. 11:28 AM - Arizona-Nevada Trip (Ken Harrill)
25. 12:30 PM - Re: edge rolling (Doug Weiler)
26. 12:34 PM - "Aluminum Overcast" EAA's B-17 (Richard Lundin)
27. 12:57 PM - Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic (Nick N)
28. 01:26 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (JusCash@aol.com)
29. 01:55 PM - parachute (Scott Brown)
30. 02:02 PM - Re: Arizona-Nevada Trip (Tracy Crook)
31. 02:24 PM - Re: new builder purchasing tools (RVator)
32. 03:00 PM - Re: new builder purchasing tools (Brian Denk)
33. 04:22 PM - Arizona Flying sights (n6jx@earthlink.net)
34. 05:19 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Richard Dudley)
35. 05:46 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks (RV6ator@aol.com)
36. 06:08 PM - Re: Arizona-Nevada Trip (Wayne Reese)
37. 06:15 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks (JusCash@aol.com)
38. 06:20 PM - Re: new builder purchasing tools (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
39. 06:27 PM - RV's in Bakersfield, CA? (Patrick)
40. 06:33 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (JusCash@aol.com)
41. 06:42 PM - Re: RV's in Bakersfield, CA? (Jerry Springer)
42. 06:48 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Jerry Springer)
43. 06:58 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (JusCash@aol.com)
44. 07:06 PM - Re: RV-8 BOM (Dean Pichon)
45. 07:15 PM - RV-6 tail kit for sale (Doug Weiler)
46. 07:32 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (RV3)
47. 07:33 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Kevin Horton)
48. 07:34 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks (Kevin Horton)
49. 07:54 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Alex Peterson)
50. 08:05 PM - Re:RV's in Bakersfield (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
51. 08:11 PM - flexible brake lines (Jerry Calvert)
52. 08:17 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Dan Checkoway)
53. 08:28 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (RV3)
54. 08:58 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Jerry Springer)
55. 09:42 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (Ken Cantrell)
56. 10:33 PM - Wanted 9-A (Ken)
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| Subject: | Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
I realize this is grossly off topic, but I've been using Sprint PCS as my
cell phone provider for the last year and a half and am looking to change
services soon because so many of the places I go on flying trips are not served
by
Sprint PCS. This last trip to OSH there was no Sprint service at the following
airport locales:
Lewistown, MT
Mitchell, SD
Wendover, UT
Casper, WY
Mammoth, CA
I'm looking to get input on which of the cell phone services you RV guys and
gals have found satisfactory.
I know that Verizon, at least, would have worked at Mitchell, but does V work
at the other "off the beaten path" places.
thx
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 642hrs)
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| Subject: | Cell Phone Service-off topic |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> I'm looking to get input on which of the cell phone services
> you RV guys and
> gals have found satisfactory.
>
> I know that Verizon, at least, would have worked at Mitchell,
> but does V work
> at the other "off the beaten path" places.
>
Gary,
My Verizon service here in MN uses Sprint's network for outlying areas.
The good news is that there are actually still areas in the US where
there are few enough people that cell phone coverage isn't complete.
Does your phone have analog capability also?
I also have to tell my phone to update itself regularly because networks
are constantly changing. Another issue is phone transmit power - older
phones have more power, particularly when they have to switch to analog.
do not archive
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 331 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re:Yet Another New Engine |
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Content preview: Also take a look at : http://www.dynacam.com/ This one
has been around for years and was certified by FAA for some
applications,I believe Bob Olds RV-4,N1191X [...]
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks@aol.com>
Also take a look at :
http://www.dynacam.com/
This one has been around for years and was certified by FAA for some applications,I
believe
Bob Olds RV-4,N1191X
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| Subject: | Re:Cell phone service |
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Content preview: We have used "Alltel - Total Freedom" in our other RV
( Fifth Wheel Trailer) for several years. The total freedom program
gives us free roaming and free long distance anywhere in the USA. It is
a dual range (Analog/digital)service with good coverage wherever we've
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks@aol.com>
We have used "Alltel - Total Freedom" in our other RV ( Fifth Wheel Trailer) for
several years. The total freedom program gives us free roaming and free long
distance anywhere in the USA. It is a dual range (Analog/digital)service with
good coverage wherever we've used it.
Bob n' Lu Olds
Charleston,Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re:Off Airport Landing |
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Content preview: I had a similar incident in the past and the engine
mount was broken but the gear legs were OK. I would check them
again,they are really STRONG. Bob Olds Charleston,Arkansas [...]
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks@aol.com>
I had a similar incident in the past and the engine mount was broken but the gear
legs were OK. I would check them again,they are really STRONG.
Bob Olds
Charleston,Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic |
--> RV-List message posted by: "aronsond" <aronsond@pacbell.net>
My ATT supported cell phone worked well all the way out and all the way back
from KOSH. started from VCB -FBR-RKS-KRWL-KBFF-FOD-OSH. It was roaming but
service ability was not a problem.
Dave Aronson
N504RV (drove the citabria N2683Z)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cell Phone Service-off topic
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> I realize this is grossly off topic, but I've been using Sprint PCS as my
> cell phone provider for the last year and a half and am looking to change
> services soon because so many of the places I go on flying trips are not
served by
> Sprint PCS. This last trip to OSH there was no Sprint service at the
following
> airport locales:
>
> Lewistown, MT
> Mitchell, SD
> Wendover, UT
> Casper, WY
> Mammoth, CA
>
> I'm looking to get input on which of the cell phone services you RV guys
and
> gals have found satisfactory.
>
> I know that Verizon, at least, would have worked at Mitchell, but does V
work
> at the other "off the beaten path" places.
>
> thx
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 642hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | LED position lights. Ready to go! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
This was harder than I thought it was going to be, but I finally got all
my ducks in a row. The LED position light kits are ready to ship. Check out
the pictures of the new boards at:
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
I tossed in the PayPal buttons late last night (not 100% perfect, but they
work just fine) and I already have orders this morning!
Since I didn't want to pay an arm and a leg for the boards, I ordered them
on a "normal" delivery schedule. That is what took so long. I wanted to
have all the components on the shelf and I wanted to actually build and
test a pair of lights using one of the kit packets to be certain that the
product was 100% ready. I also wanted to see how long it took me to build a
set of lights so I could set a fair price for assembly.
I test fit the lights I built in my RV sheared wingtips and they fit
perfectly. There should be more than enough room to install Bill Von Dane's
landing lights without interference. If you trim away the blank area in the
center of the board, you could fit even larger landing lights if you cared to.
Also, I kept the LEDs at the extreme ends of the board so that a strobe
mounted in the center of the forward surface (sideward facing surface) of
the sheared tip would not block any of the light from the LEDs. Basically,
the LED position light "looks" above and below the centrally mounted strobe
(if present.)
I'll put up a picture of the lights mounted in the wingtip this weekend.
I'll also trim the picture sizes a bit so the page will load more quickly.
I'll also fix the PayPal buttons to look better. :-)
Looking forward,
Bill Dube' <LEDs@KillaCycle.com>
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| Subject: | White LED Tail Light? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Folks keep asking about an LED rear position light. I could make a kit,
but I didn't think anyone would be interested because they would cost so
much. Would folks be willing to pay $170 for an LED tail light kit? I don't
mind designing the kits if folks were genuinely interested.
Let me know,
Bill Dube' <LEDs@KillaCycle.com>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott" <SWilder@LOWEENTERPRISES.com>
Hello, I'm about to rivet the leading edge assy on my -4, concerning
edge rolling to keep the edge from lifting after riveting, I know I can
roll or bend slightly the trailing edges of the skin but how about the
inboard edge? The one that will butt up to the tank skins. I am
hesitant to bend this edge for fear it will buckle elsewhere on the
edge, any suggestions would be appreciated.
Scott Wilder swilder@loweenterprises.com
925-383-9732 mobile
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| Subject: | Re:Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
Hi Bob,
You are right, the RV gear and motor mount are strong. The legs are now
bowed aft and the tires are towed out. We thought the motor mount was OK but
found cracks in a couple of welds. The gear did it's job by absorbing the shock
of the landing and not braking away.
Cash
In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:58:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
oldsfolks@aol.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks@aol.com>
>
> I had a similar incident in the past and the engine mount was broken but the
> gear legs were OK. I would check them again,they are really STRONG.
>
> Bob Olds
> Charleston,Arkansas
>
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| Subject: | new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Hughes" <Stephen.J.Hughes@nasa.gov>
I am getting ready to build an RV10 and am about to purchase my
tools. I've searched the archives and believe that most of you in this
group think that the Avery or Cleaveland RV kits are a good place to
start. I realize that several feel that a few dollars can be saved by
piecing the set together from whichever vendor sells the component cheaper,
but I have not been able to find that to be true working from the exact
parts lists. I also saw it suggested that significant savings can be
realized if I try and find a builder who is finished and might be looking
to sell their tools. While I cannot imagine selling a tool once I've
bought it, I thought I'd give it a try and see if anyone in this group is
looking to part with there tools at a fair price. Please contact me at my
e-mail address if you are. Obviously I don't need my tools until sometime
in September/October when the empennage/tailcone kits begin to ship, but it
never hurts to be prepared early.
I am also planning on getting a pneumatic rivet squeezer (not in the
required tools list) with a couple of different yokes to allow me more
chances to use it. So, if anyone would like to recoup some of the cost of
their tools by selling a squeezer in good shape please contact me as well.
One last question, are the inexpensive drill presses and disk/belt sanders
available from harbor freight adequate for homebuilt construction?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Steve
Stephen J. Hughes
Aerospace Engineer
NASA LaRC
1 North Dryden, MS 432
Hampton, VA 23681
(757)864-7175 (voice)
(757)864-7879 (fax)
Stephen.J.Hughes@nasa.gov
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| Subject: | Low fuel warning lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Does anyone have any comments on the low fuel warning system from
aircraftextras.com? It uses optical sensors to determine the level of the
fuel in the tanks and flashes a panel light when each tank gets down to a
pre-set level.
http://www.aircraftextras.com/
Thanks,
Terry
RV-8A finish
Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: edge rolling |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
So far, I have finished my left wing and am in the process of starting
work on my right wing. I didn't roll any of the edges on my left wing
and much prefer the fit and look of it compared to the ones I have seen
that have been rolled. On most of the rolled edges I have seen the
tendency seems to be to over do the rolling. If you can VERY slightly
roll the edge it might look OK but the best looking planes do not seem
to have rolled edges. This just may be that they so very slightly
rolled the edge so it isn't obvious. Your mileage may vary. If you do
do it just use a very soft touch.
Steve Eberhart - RV-7A, one wing down, one to go
N14SE reserved
Wilder, Scott wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott" <SWilder@LOWEENTERPRISES.com>
>
> Hello, I'm about to rivet the leading edge assy on my -4, concerning
> edge rolling to keep the edge from lifting after riveting, I know I can
> roll or bend slightly the trailing edges of the skin but how about the
> inboard edge? The one that will butt up to the tank skins. I am
> hesitant to bend this edge for fear it will buckle elsewhere on the
> edge, any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
> Scott Wilder swilder@loweenterprises.com
>
> 925-383-9732 mobile
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cell Phone Service-off topic |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
When my airplane came to rest in the hay field Saturday the first thing I did
was to try and call for help on 121.5. Couldn't raise anyone. That is a
real lonely feeling. What if I had been hurt or trapped? I turned on the cell
phone and it worked. I called my buddy's to let them know what happened and to
come and pick me up.
I have Verizon digital/anolog service. I have been all over the US in some
pretty out of the way places and it very seldom has not had a signal. There
have been times when folks have ask to use my phone because there's didn't work.
Cash Copeland
In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:18:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Vanremog@aol.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> I realize this is grossly off topic, but I've been using Sprint PCS as my
> cell phone provider for the last year and a half and am looking to change
> services soon because so many of the places I go on flying trips are not
> served by
> Sprint PCS. This last trip to OSH there was no Sprint service at the
> following
> airport locales:
>
> Lewistown, MT
> Mitchell, SD
> Wendover, UT
> Casper, WY
> Mammoth, CA
>
> I'm looking to get input on which of the cell phone services you RV guys and
>
> gals have found satisfactory.
>
> I know that Verizon, at least, would have worked at Mitchell, but does V
> work
> at the other "off the beaten path" places.
>
> thx
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 642hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> One last question, are the inexpensive drill presses and disk/belt
sanders
> available from harbor freight adequate for homebuilt construction?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
> Steve
>
> Stephen J. Hughes
> Aerospace Engineer
> NASA LaRC
> 1 North Dryden, MS 432
> Hampton, VA 23681
>
> (757)864-7175 (voice)
> (757)864-7879 (fax)
> Stephen.J.Hughes@nasa.gov
>
Steve, I have a drill press and several of the "el cheapo" sanders as well
as air drill, grinders, etc. from Harbor Freight. The drill press has been
abused for over 15 years (I have used it on occassion as a light milling
machine) and still performs. The sanders all continue to operate fine after
more than 10 years. So considering the price, I think I more than got my
money's worth. In fact the only machinery I've had fail was a more
expensive DELTA table saw which I did not get from Harbor Freight. If I had
been forced to go "top of the line", I simply would not have been able to
afford those tools.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
Hi Kevin,
I'm still not sure what happened. My calculations show that I should have
had 3 gals in the original tank and 5 gals in the tank I switched to. I have a
sneaking suspicion that I had carb ice. When I got the airplane to the
airport it started right up.
While attempting the restart I found it is really hard to fly the airplane
with one hand on the starter switch and the other on the throttle. I really
didn't have time to re-trim for the power off glide. Thats when I made the
decision to fly the airplane to the ground. I have done power off landings but
an
engine out is a whole different ball game. With the constant speed prop and
no engine power the airplane comes down like a rock. At best glide speed it
was coming down at over 800fpm.
For those who offered me a motor mount and gear legs, THANK YOU. I was able
to get them from Van's with shipping in a couple of days.
Cash Copeland
RV6 N46FC
Hayward, Ca
In a message dated 8/6/2003 6:36:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
khorto1537@rogers.com writes:
>
> Cash - great job on keeping your priorities straight and flying the
> airplane first.
>
> I'm interested in learning why the engine quit, if you ever figure it
> out. How much fuel was in the tank you switched to? How long since
> it had run on that tank? Were you sideslipping? Could the fuel
> pickup have rotated up a bit, so that it was away from the bottom of
> the tank (assuming you don't have a flop tube). Or, if you have a
> flop tube, could it have hung up?
>
> I'm just hoping to learn as much from your experience as I can, so I
> can avoid repeating it myself.
>
> Good luck getting the plane back in the air quickly.
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> One last question, are the inexpensive drill presses and disk/belt sanders
> available from harbor freight adequate for homebuilt construction?
Absolutely. The only limitation that I've had with my HF drill press is
that the table is very shallow. I wasn't even able to use it to fly cut
instrument holes on the panel because of that (went with a punch instead and
man am I glad I did). But anyway, it's shallow, and it's short. But it
hasn't been a big deal.
I also have HF's bench grinder and their 12" 3-wheel variable speed band
saw...both have which have worked great. Too many other el cheapo doodads
I've got from HF to list, but those are the major ones, and I'm happy (good
prices, stuff works).
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Tool Rules for Cheap Guys.
1. Always wait to buy a tool until after you actually need it.
2. But first try to talk a friend into buying it and then borrow it from
him.
3. Put your name on any tools that you borrow.
4. Store all tools out of sight (especially ones you have recently put your
name on).
Albert Gardner
RV-9A N872RV
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/7/03 10:21:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JusCash@aol.com
writes:
<< For those who offered me a motor mount and gear legs, THANK YOU. I was
able
to get them from Van's with shipping in a couple of days.
>>
Cash, I'm available just about anytime to give you a hand, and I'm sure I
could quickly round up some more hands if needed. Let me know.
Harry Crosby
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Thank you for posting an actual number for engine completly off decent,
with CS. I have wondered what the number would be. This helps me plan ahead
for distance I can travel with engine off. I think I will just round it up
1000 per minute for a cushion
Did you have a chance to go to corse pitch on the prop?
At 01:19 PM 8/7/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
>Hi Kevin,
>I'm still not sure what happened. My calculations show that I should have
>had 3 gals in the original tank and 5 gals in the tank I switched to. I
>have a
>sneaking suspicion that I had carb ice. When I got the airplane to the
>airport it started right up.
>
>While attempting the restart I found it is really hard to fly the airplane
>with one hand on the starter switch and the other on the throttle. I really
>didn't have time to re-trim for the power off glide. Thats when I made the
>decision to fly the airplane to the ground. I have done power off landings
>but an
>engine out is a whole different ball game. With the constant speed prop and
>no engine power the airplane comes down like a rock. At best glide speed it
>was coming down at over 800fpm.
>For those who offered me a motor mount and gear legs, THANK YOU. I was able
>to get them from Van's with shipping in a couple of days.
>
>Cash Copeland
>RV6 N46FC
>Hayward, Ca
>
>In a message dated 8/6/2003 6:36:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>khorto1537@rogers.com writes:
>
>>
>> Cash - great job on keeping your priorities straight and flying the
>> airplane first.
>>
>> I'm interested in learning why the engine quit, if you ever figure it
>> out. How much fuel was in the tank you switched to? How long since
>> it had run on that tank? Were you sideslipping? Could the fuel
>> pickup have rotated up a bit, so that it was away from the bottom of
>> the tank (assuming you don't have a flop tube). Or, if you have a
>
>> flop tube, could it have hung up?
>>
>> I'm just hoping to learn as much from your experience as I can, so I
>> can avoid repeating it myself.
>>
>> Good luck getting the plane back in the air quickly.
>> --
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
Is anyone using the Pardinal Paint in spray cans to match Van's powder
coating on the interior of their cockpit? If so, will you please
comment as to it's durability. I may be interested in using for my
cockpit and would be interested in purchasing any cans you may not have
used or need, rather than purchasing a 6 pack from Cardinal.
Marty in Brentwood, TN
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Low fuel warning lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" <mitchfaatz@hotmail.com>
I'm making the same thing for my airplane, but I used sealed float switches.
I mounted them in the fuel tank access covers in case I ever wanted to
change the position of the switch (or remove them). I designed a little
circuit that does the same thing pretty much, except mine uses bi-color
LED's so it shows bright red when triggered, and then to cool yellow when
acknowledged by the pilot. It's also designed to latch so it doesn't
re-trigger or flash when the fuel goes up and down at the switch's trigger
point. Between digital fuel gauges, fuel flow computer, and these warning
lights, if I ever run out of fuel someone please give me an atomic wedgie.
Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Fuel & Oil systems Auburn, CA
>From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Low fuel warning lights
>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>Does anyone have any comments on the low fuel warning system from
>aircraftextras.com? It uses optical sensors to determine the level of the
>fuel in the tanks and flashes a panel light when each tank gets down to a
>pre-set level.
>
>http://www.aircraftextras.com/
>
>Thanks,
>
>Terry
>RV-8A finish
>Seattle
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: edge rolling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <DeanPichon@msn.com>
On my -4, I chose not to roll the edge you describe. Due to the curvature of the
leading edge, the inboard edge is quite stiff. This edge is further "reinforced"
by the doubler (for the tank attachment) and should not require rolling.
I would recommend focussing your efforts on attaining a good fit between the inboard
edge of the leading edge assembly and the outboard edge of the tank assembly.
Anything other than a narrow and uniform gap is quite noticeable.
Dean Pichon
RV-4, 150 hours
Morgantown, WV
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilder, Scott
Subject: RV-List: edge rolling
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott" <SWilder@LOWEENTERPRISES.com>
Hello, I'm about to rivet the leading edge assy on my -4, concerning
edge rolling to keep the edge from lifting after riveting, I know I can
roll or bend slightly the trailing edges of the skin but how about the
inboard edge? The one that will butt up to the tank skins. I am
hesitant to bend this edge for fear it will buckle elsewhere on the
edge, any suggestions would be appreciated.
Scott Wilder swilder@loweenterprises.com
925-383-9732 mobile
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| Subject: | Arizona-Nevada Trip |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@osa.state.sc.us>
The Reno Air Races are coming up soon and I am planning a trip from South
Carolina to the Races and to points of interest along the way. I am
considering a route that includes Monument Valley, the Grand Canyon, Sedona,
PIMA museum at Davis Monthan AFB, Las Vegas, etc. We will have six or seven
days from departure in SC to arrival at Reno.
I would appreciate any information/recommendations from my RV brethren
regarding points of interest and "Places not to miss from an RV" along this
route.
Ken Harrill
RV-6, 225 hours
Columbia, SC
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| Subject: | Re: edge rolling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
> On my -4, I chose not to roll the edge you describe. Due to the curvature
of the leading edge, the inboard edge is quite stiff. This edge is further
"reinforced" by the doubler (for the tank attachment) and should not require
rolling. I would recommend focussing your efforts on attaining a good fit
between the inboard edge of the leading edge assembly and the outboard edge
of the tank assembly. Anything other than a narrow and uniform gap is quite
noticeable.
>
>
I agree 100%. I wouldn't mess with it. My -4 came out perfectly fine with
no rolling in this area. I think your chance of goofing it up is too high.
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
N722DW, RV-4 flying w/57 hours TT
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| Subject: | "Aluminum Overcast" EAA's B-17 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
EAA's "Aluminum Overcast" a B-17 Flying Fortress, will
be tying down at Republic Airport in Farmingdale, NY
from August 14th-19th. The plane will be open for
tours the 15th-17th at Farmingdales American Air
Power Museum. The visit is being hosted by the
American Air Power Museum and EAA chapter 528. You can
schedule a flight by calling 1-800-359-6217. For more
information visit the web site at: www.b17.org.
Hope to see you there.
Rick Lundin
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Cell Phone Service-off topic |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nick N" <rvator@nicknaf.com>
I've had ATT for years with wonderful service, very few if any
complaints. Recently I upgraded to "mMode" the full GSM/GPRS digital
service. Very disappointing. The sound quality is outstanding, but I
simply can't connect to the older networks. I'm more than likely going
to downgrade back to a TDMA network so I get my coverage back.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aronsond
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cell Phone Service-off topic
--> RV-List message posted by: "aronsond" <aronsond@pacbell.net>
My ATT supported cell phone worked well all the way out and all the way
back
from KOSH. started from VCB -FBR-RKS-KRWL-KBFF-FOD-OSH. It was roaming
but
service ability was not a problem.
Dave Aronson
N504RV (drove the citabria N2683Z)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cell Phone Service-off topic
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> I realize this is grossly off topic, but I've been using Sprint PCS as
my
> cell phone provider for the last year and a half and am looking to
change
> services soon because so many of the places I go on flying trips are
not
served by
> Sprint PCS. This last trip to OSH there was no Sprint service at the
following
> airport locales:
>
> Lewistown, MT
> Mitchell, SD
> Wendover, UT
> Casper, WY
> Mammoth, CA
>
> I'm looking to get input on which of the cell phone services you RV
guys
and
> gals have found satisfactory.
>
> I know that Verizon, at least, would have worked at Mitchell, but does
V
work
> at the other "off the beaten path" places.
>
> thx
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 642hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
With the prop windmilling there was not enough oil pressure to hold the prop
in coarse pitch. It automatically went to fine pitch.
Cash
In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:57:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
> Thank you for posting an actual number for engine completly off decent,
> with CS. I have wondered what the number would be. This helps me plan ahead
> for distance I can travel with engine off. I think I will just round it up
> 1000 per minute for a cushion
>
> Did you have a chance to go to corse pitch on the prop?
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
Listers,
A little more information on my parachute for sale. I have done some calling
around to the manufacturer (Butler Parachutes) and discovered that this
chute is an older model (Beta Model). The size and thickness of the backpack
is perfect for RV flyers. The backpack case is in good condition, however,
to be on the safe side, I feel that the canopy would have to be replaced.
Strong Enterprises can replace the canopy at a very reasonable price. I will
consider $500 OBO for this one. Please respond off-line.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Arizona-Nevada Trip |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@osa.state.sc.us>
>
> The Reno Air Races are coming up soon and I am planning a trip from South
> Carolina to the Races and to points of interest along the way. I am
> considering a route that includes Monument Valley, the Grand Canyon,
Sedona,
> PIMA museum at Davis Monthan AFB, Las Vegas, etc. We will have six or
seven
> days from departure in SC to arrival at Reno.
>
> I would appreciate any information/recommendations from my RV brethren
> regarding points of interest and "Places not to miss from an RV" along
this
> route.
>
> Ken Harrill
> RV-6, 225 hours
> Columbia, SC
>
> Do Not Archive
Don't miss seeing the Indian ruins in the red rock area near Sedona. 5
miles of bumpy unpaved road to get there but the experience of actually
touching those magnificent rock formations was worth it. Can't wait to
return there with my -4 and land at the Sedona airport surrounded by those
sights.
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Re: new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RVator" <rv7a@cox.net>
I've got them both and they seem to work OK. However, I have seen a similar
sander at Sears for just a bit more and wonder if it would work better.
Quieter, smoother, more powerful?
Jim Thorne
RV-7A QB
CHD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: new builder purchasing tools
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>
> > One last question, are the inexpensive drill presses and disk/belt
> sanders
> > available from harbor freight adequate for homebuilt construction?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any replies.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Stephen J. Hughes
> > Aerospace Engineer
> > NASA LaRC
> > 1 North Dryden, MS 432
> > Hampton, VA 23681
> >
> > (757)864-7175 (voice)
> > (757)864-7879 (fax)
> > Stephen.J.Hughes@nasa.gov
> >
>
> Steve, I have a drill press and several of the "el cheapo" sanders as well
> as air drill, grinders, etc. from Harbor Freight. The drill press has
been
> abused for over 15 years (I have used it on occassion as a light milling
> machine) and still performs. The sanders all continue to operate fine
after
> more than 10 years. So considering the price, I think I more than got my
> money's worth. In fact the only machinery I've had fail was a more
> expensive DELTA table saw which I did not get from Harbor Freight. If I
had
> been forced to go "top of the line", I simply would not have been able to
> afford those tools.
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RVator" <rv7a@cox.net>
>
>I've got them both and they seem to work OK. However, I have seen a
>similar
>sander at Sears for just a bit more and wonder if it would work better.
>Quieter, smoother, more powerful?
>
>Jim Thorne
Jim,
I have a Craftsman combo disc/belt sander and it's worked perfectly for
about six years now. It has ground a lot of plexiglass, wood and fiberglass
and shows no signs of wear. I also bought an imported floor model drill
press from a traveling tool show that also does very well. I don't think
it's a Harbor freight model per se, but looks like it with the odd greenish
paint. For drill press accessories, a small milling vise (with x-y
adjustment) and centering jig for tubing are invaluable. I also used a fly
cutter to cut my panel. It's a wicked device if not used with care, but
does amazing work.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Arizona Flying sights |
--> RV-List message posted by: n6jx@earthlink.net
About three weeks ago, my wife and I took long weekend trip through Northern Arizona
that was simply spectacular. As we live in Tucson, this was pretty easy.
We began with a short 1.5 hour trip from Tucson to Chinle Arizona. This route took us over the Petrified Forest and the Painted Desert. Really wonderful landscapes. We landed in Chinle to spend the night and take the Jeep Tour of Canyon De Chelly, one of Arizona'a best Navajo sites. The Canyon is spectacular, with many cliff dwellings, and the tour is excellent, guided by a Navajo that actually was born and raised in the canyon. We stayed at the Thunderbird Lodge, which is right at the mouth of the Canyon, in the park and is run by the Navajo. You can read about them at http://www.tbirdlodge.com/
The lodge will send a van to pick you up at the airport and will drive you back
out in the morning. No fuel available, but nice new runway and tie downs.
The next morning we took off and flew through monument valley. Great formations
and scenery. We continued north up to Lake Powell and then flew west to Page
Arizona for Fuel and rest. Great airport with two nice FBOs. Lake Powell is
quite a sight from the air. Next leg of the trip was to fly three of the VFR
corridores over the Grand Canyon. You sort of fly in a "W" pattern over the
Canyon, and can still have great vistas. You need to fly at 10K5 or 11K5 feet
depending on your direction of flight, but given that the Canyon rim is at 8K,
those altitudes are not so high that you miss the vastness of the canyons.
However, it was a lot more fun many years ago when I actually could fly "in" the
canyon.
Anyway, three passes over the canyon puts you heading south and pointed approximately
towards Sedona. Sedona and the red rock cliffs are a "must see", and there
is a good little resturant and fuel up on the Mesa. A good place to take
a break. There is also a motel up on the Mesa as well as a place that rents
jeeps. However, it would also be a quick flight from their to Las Vegas, and
you could easily do all the above from Chinle to Las Vegas in a day in your RV.
The Pima Air Museam is really pretty far out of the way for your trip. It is in
Tucson, about 175 miles south of Sedona, and certainly not on your route of
flight.
Hope this helps, and if you need any details on routes, let me know.
Best Regards,
Mel Jordan RV-6A N6JX
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Cash,
Sorry about your incident. Glad that you handled it so well with minimal
damage to your plane.
Like everyone else, I too am very interested in the reason for the
engine quitting. So, a couple of questions.
You mentioned carb ice as a possibility. Did you have carb heat on? If
you did, do you have the Van's carb heat muff?
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A dealing with lots of loose ends
JusCash@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> Hi Kevin,
> I'm still not sure what happened. My calculations show that I should have
> had 3 gals in the original tank and 5 gals in the tank I switched to. I have
a
> sneaking suspicion that I had carb ice. When I got the airplane to the
> airport it started right up.
>
> While attempting the restart I found it is really hard to fly the airplane
> with one hand on the starter switch and the other on the throttle. I really
> didn't have time to re-trim for the power off glide. Thats when I made the
> decision to fly the airplane to the ground. I have done power off landings but
an
> engine out is a whole different ball game. With the constant speed prop and
> no engine power the airplane comes down like a rock. At best glide speed it
> was coming down at over 800fpm.
> For those who offered me a motor mount and gear legs, THANK YOU. I was able
> to get them from Van's with shipping in a couple of days.
>
> Cash Copeland
> RV6 N46FC
> Hayward, Ca
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2003 6:36:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> khorto1537@rogers.com writes:
>
> >
> > Cash - great job on keeping your priorities straight and flying the
> > airplane first.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning why the engine quit, if you ever figure it
> > out. How much fuel was in the tank you switched to? How long since
> > it had run on that tank? Were you sideslipping? Could the fuel
> > pickup have rotated up a bit, so that it was away from the bottom of
> > the tank (assuming you don't have a flop tube). Or, if you have a
>
> > flop tube, could it have hung up?
> >
> > I'm just hoping to learn as much from your experience as I can, so I
> > can avoid repeating it myself.
> >
> > Good luck getting the plane back in the air quickly.
> > --
> > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> > Ottawa, Canada
> > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6ator@aol.com
If the engine is running on a good tank with suffficient fuel prior to
takeoff or landing--don't screw with it! Leave the fuel selector where it is. Switch
tanks at a safe altitude.
Bill Mahoney
Sherman, CT
RV-6 N747W
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| Subject: | Arizona-Nevada Trip |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
Ken sounds like fun. Although Monument Valley is great on the ground
(especially for us John Wayne fans) it pales from the air when compared
with the terrain to the north. Be sure to fly from Monument Valley to
Moab CNY. From CNY go southwest to Bullfrog U07. Hite makes for an
interesting landing but there is nothing there. Cal Black is a great
airport, but also not near anything (food is a candy machine). At
Bullfrog the Marina will come and get you and take you to the lodge for
dinner. The Flight from Uo7 to Richfield up the waterpocket fold is
spectacular. Richfield is a great place to get fuel and has some nice
courtesy cars.
South from RIF is Bryce Canyon then Zions both great from the air. The
Kolob Canyon is nice.
Many of these areas National Parks so be sure to keep your mode c off
ops I mean stay above 2000 ft. Just kidding, no radar coverage anyway.
But be very careful, the reason I have had a chance to fly a lot of this
is searching with the CAP. Needles Outpost can be a good $100 hamburger
but you need to check to see when or if they are open.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Harrill
Subject: RV-List: Arizona-Nevada Trip
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@osa.state.sc.us>
The Reno Air Races are coming up soon and I am planning a trip from
South
Carolina to the Races and to points of interest along the way. I am
considering a route that includes Monument Valley, the Grand Canyon,
Sedona,
PIMA museum at Davis Monthan AFB, Las Vegas, etc. We will have six or
seven
days from departure in SC to arrival at Reno.
I would appreciate any information/recommendations from my RV brethren
regarding points of interest and "Places not to miss from an RV" along
this
route.
Ken Harrill
RV-6, 225 hours
Columbia, SC
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
This is the reason I hated to post my problem to the list. I knew that the
second guessing would start. I did the best I could with what I had to work
with. I just thank God I am here to tell you about it. The final consensus is
carb ice.
Cash Copeland
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV6ator@aol.com
>
> If the engine is running on a good tank with suffficient fuel prior to
> takeoff or landing--don't screw with it! Leave the fuel selector where it
> is. Switch
> tanks at a safe altitude.
>
> Bill Mahoney
> Sherman, CT
> RV-6 N747W
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| Subject: | Re: new builder purchasing tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engines
Brian: One more bit on the engines at Oshkosh that interested me and
perhaps others as well. In talking to the Mattituck rep about the XP360
Lycoming clone, I asked if they could put a counterweighted crank in their
engine. He said that they could but that since Lycoming is the only source
for cw cranks the cost of the engine would be significantly higher. He went
on to say that within a year, another source for cw cranks should be on line
and when it is, such savings as might be available will be passed on the the
buyer. He also seemed to say that they would build such an engine with
angle valve cylinders though I'm not sure we were communicating properly so
it may not be so. The crankshaft is of interest to me because I want 200hp
and no propeller operating restrictions and since I don't expect to be
indulging in severe maneuvering it should be ok.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | RV's in Bakersfield, CA? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Patrick <bittybipe@yahoo.com>
Hi all, I'll be traveling to Bakersfield from Detroit next week and was wondering
if anyone with an RV was based in Bakersfield, CA? I'm working on an 8 myself.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
Yes, I have the stock heat muff on Van's FAB. On the decent for landing I
was at part throttle without carb heat. I have not flown a carbureted airplane
for many years so I was slow in getting the carb heat on when the engine
started running rough. I thought of everything but carb ice until it was to late.
On the ground the ground the engine started right up and ran fine. You can
bet on long part throttle decents the carb heat will be on. And I also plan to
install a carb temp gauge.
Cash Copeland
In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:22:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rhdudley@att.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
> Cash,
> Sorry about your incident. Glad that you handled it so well with minimal
> damage to your plane.
> Like everyone else, I too am very interested in the reason for the
> engine quitting. So, a couple of questions.
>
> You mentioned carb ice as a possibility. Did you have carb heat on? If
> you did, do you have the Van's carb heat muff?
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
> -6A dealing with lots of loose ends
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's in Bakersfield, CA? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Patrick wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Patrick <bittybipe@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi all, I'll be traveling to Bakersfield from Detroit next week and was wondering
if anyone with an RV was based in Bakersfield, CA? I'm working on an 8 myself.
>
>Pat
>
>
>
>
There are many RVs at Bakersfield, but you have to really watch out
because you are in John Harmon Rocket country. :-)
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Cash, glad all ended well, while bending an airplane is not good, coming
away unhurt from an off airport landing means it ended well.
Was wondering do you have an idea what OAT was at the time? which
exhaust do you have, cross-over or?
Jerry
JusCash@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
>Yes, I have the stock heat muff on Van's FAB. On the decent for landing I
>was at part throttle without carb heat. I have not flown a carbureted airplane
>for many years so I was slow in getting the carb heat on when the engine
>started running rough. I thought of everything but carb ice until it was to late.
>On the ground the ground the engine started right up and ran fine. You can
>bet on long part throttle decents the carb heat will be on. And I also plan to
>install a carb temp gauge.
>
>Cash Copeland
>
>In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:22:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>rhdudley@att.net writes:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>>
>>Cash,
>>Sorry about your incident. Glad that you handled it so well with minimal
>>damage to your plane.
>>Like everyone else, I too am very interested in the reason for the
>>engine quitting. So, a couple of questions.
>>
>>You mentioned carb ice as a possibility. Did you have carb heat on? If
>>you did, do you have the Van's carb heat muff?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Richard Dudley
>>-6A dealing with lots of loose ends
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
Vetterman crossover exhaust. It was about 90degs and real muggy when I got
on the ground.
Cash
In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:49:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jsflyrv@earthlink.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Cash, glad all ended well, while bending an airplane is not good, coming
> away unhurt from an off airport landing means it ended well.
> Was wondering do you have an idea what OAT was at the time? which
> exhaust do you have, cross-over or?
>
> Jerry
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <DeanPichon@msn.com>
I built a BOM for my -4. It included most of the purchased parts not included with
Van's kit. I use it not for costing purposes but to maintain a comprehensive
database of parts, sources, serial numbers, etc. Since RV's are so unique,
I'm not sure how mine may be of use to anyone else. I can however recommend making
a BOM - it has proven very helpful. I use an inexpensive software package
for creating and maintaining BOMs called Parts&Vendors. If I can be of help,
just let me know.
Dean Pichon
RV-4
Morgantown, WV
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Parlow
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 BOM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
I'm working on an estimated costed Bill Of Material (BOM) for my RV-8A. It
will be used for getting quotes. I want to make it as complete as possible
down to lighting, paint, interior, etc. Can anyone suggest where I might
find one or more for reference?
ERic--
RV-8A
Asheville, NC
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| Subject: | RV-6 tail kit for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Fellow Listers:
I am forwarding this for a friend. Please contact him directly if you are
interested (located in the Minneapolis area)
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
--------------------------------
I have an RV-6 tail kit for sale, complete with the thicker control skins so
easily converted to a RV-7. I made the mistake of buying a Mooney a couple
months after getting the kit....and five years and 1,000 hours of flying
later the Mooney is going strong the kit is just taking up space!
I'll part with it very reasonably. Very little done to it, so ready for
someone that wants the "full experience" of building one! How can I get
word out to the local group?
Will throw in a great set of jigs. Also have all the tools needed. We can
make it a package deal. Have a pneumatic squeezer, too.
Thanks for your help.
Loren
Loren@LorenDJones.com
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV3 <rv3@comcast.net>
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Cash, glad all ended well, while bending an airplane is not good, coming
>away unhurt from an off airport landing means it ended well.
>Was wondering do you have an idea what OAT was at the time? which
>exhaust do you have, cross-over or?
>
>Jerry
>
Since Lycoming PREHEATS the intake air through the oil sump, it is
exceedingly
rare that carb ice is ever the real culprit. Like one fella told me...
in 50 years of
flying Lycomings, only twice did he have any need for carb heat.
YMMV.
Continental engines are a whole 'nuther story.
I have never had need of carb heat in my Lycoming, yet. When the engine has
quit, it never was a carb ice problem. The last issue for me was
improper venting
of the fuel tank. Another time, switching tanks must have unported the
fuel pickup
while I was IFR on final The engine sputtered all the way to the
ground, but did
put out enough power to effect a safe landing, but it was scary. Never
again will
I be switching tanks on final approach.... IFR or otherwise.
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
This is certainly in the envelope where carb icing could occur.
See: http://www.ez.org/carb_ice.htm
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
>Vetterman crossover exhaust. It was about 90degs and real muggy when I got
>on the ground.
>
>Cash
>
>In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:49:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>jsflyrv@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Cash, glad all ended well, while bending an airplane is not good, coming
>> away unhurt from an off airport landing means it ended well.
>> Was wondering do you have an idea what OAT was at the time? which
>> exhaust do you have, cross-over or?
>>
>> Jerry
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Cash,
Please don't take anybodies questions or comments personally.
Everyone is just trying to learn as much as possible from your event.
And if they think they see a lesson, they may want to point it out
for everyone else to learn from.
I am very grateful that you posted your experience to the list. We
need to be able to learn from the problems that happen to other
folks, as we won't live long if we can only learn from our own
misfortunes. If one person uses carb heat because of your experience
and avoids an off-airport landing your post here was worth it.
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
>This is the reason I hated to post my problem to the list. I knew that the
>second guessing would start. I did the best I could with what I had to work
>with. I just thank God I am here to tell you about it. The final
>consensus is
>carb ice.
>
>Cash Copeland
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: RV6ator@aol.com
>>
>> If the engine is running on a good tank with suffficient fuel prior to
>> takeoff or landing--don't screw with it! Leave the fuel selector where it
>> is. Switch
>> tanks at a safe altitude.
>>
>> Bill Mahoney
>> Sherman, CT
> > RV-6 N747W
>
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| Subject: | Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Since Lycoming PREHEATS the intake air through the oil sump, it is
> exceedingly
> rare that carb ice is ever the real culprit.
The first thing the air sees is the carb, how can it be preheated by the
oil sump? Carb ice means ice in the throat of the carb, right? And
this screws up the whole fuel metering system. I thought the mechanism
is: Air expanded by the throttle cools, and then add to that the large
heat of vaporization of the fuel. Throw in some moisture from the air,
and ice forms on the cold parts.
Did I miss something in airplane 101?
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 334 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re:RV's in Bakersfield |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
There are more RV's in Bakersfield than probably anywhere else on earth!
The EAA chapter has a large hanhar on Bakersfield Muni Airport, on South
Union Ave.
John Harmon,originator of the Harmon Rocket is at :
<A HREF="http://hr2pilot@aol.com/">http://hr2pilot@aol.com/
I don't have others at hand.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | flexible brake lines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
I am considering using flexible brake lines from the caliper to the aluminum line.
I have found brake lines that have a banjo fitting that would attach to the
caliper.
Anyone have experience with this setup? Trying to determine if there is any problems
with this arrangement.
Thanks,
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC res
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Since Lycoming PREHEATS the intake air through the oil sump, it is
> exceedingly
> rare that carb ice is ever the real culprit. Like one fella told me...
> in 50 years of
> flying Lycomings, only twice did he have any need for carb heat.
If the carb is iced over you ain't gettin nuthin' flowing through that sump,
so you're preheating a vacuum! 8-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV3 <rv3@comcast.net>
>Did I miss something in airplane 101?
>
>Alex Peterson
>
Apparently not.
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
RV3 wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV3 <rv3@comcast.net>
>
>
>
>
>>Did I miss something in airplane 101?
>>
>>Alex Peterson
>>
>>
>>
>Apparently not.
>
>
>Do not archive.
>
>
>_-
>
Bob I think where the confusion comes from is that with the carb
attached to the oil sump on a Lycoming there is some heat transfer to
the carb
which helps retard carb ice.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Off Airport Landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Cantrell" <kcflyrv@pacbell.net>
Listers...
Being that we all are sharing possible scenarios here...
What about the possibility of a relatively low fuel quantity in the tank and
a nose low descent. With our fuel pick-ups in the rear of the tank, has
anyone figured out the difference in useable fuel with a nose low attitude
versus a climb or normal cruise attitude. I think we all wonder how we would
handle an emergency like this but when (if) it happens to me, I just hope
I'm as skillful as Cash was to walk away from it.
Ken Cantrell
Lodi Ca. RV6, 206 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Airport Landing
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Cash, glad all ended well, while bending an airplane is not good, coming
> away unhurt from an off airport landing means it ended well.
> Was wondering do you have an idea what OAT was at the time? which
> exhaust do you have, cross-over or?
>
> Jerry
>
>
> JusCash@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
> >
> >Yes, I have the stock heat muff on Van's FAB. On the decent for landing
I
> >was at part throttle without carb heat. I have not flown a carbureted
airplane
> >for many years so I was slow in getting the carb heat on when the engine
> >started running rough. I thought of everything but carb ice until it was
to late.
> >On the ground the ground the engine started right up and ran fine. You
can
> >bet on long part throttle decents the carb heat will be on. And I also
plan to
> >install a carb temp gauge.
> >
> >Cash Copeland
> >
> >In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:22:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >rhdudley@att.net writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
> >>
> >>Cash,
> >>Sorry about your incident. Glad that you handled it so well with minimal
> >>damage to your plane.
> >>Like everyone else, I too am very interested in the reason for the
> >>engine quitting. So, a couple of questions.
> >>
> >>You mentioned carb ice as a possibility. Did you have carb heat on? If
> >>you did, do you have the Van's carb heat muff?
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Richard Dudley
> >>-6A dealing with lots of loose ends
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken" <ken@soundsuckers.com>
Looking to build my second plane and would like a 9-A that has been
started or has turned into a back burner project for someone. I will
consider plane in any stage of construction, but would like complete
package less engine and instruments. And on the west coast.
Call or e-mail off list
ken@soundsuckers.com
541-947-2602
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