---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/09/03: 58 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:00 AM - Re: need dimensions for 3ATI panel cutout (Richard V. Reynolds) 2. 05:42 AM - For Sale: New Rapco Vacuum Pump & Guage (dag adamson) 3. 08:17 AM - Re: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP (Chuck Weyant) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP (Michael McGee) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Off Airport Landing / switching tanks (Shemp) 6. 09:20 AM - Re: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP (Stein Bruch) 7. 09:22 AM - Panel Layout -- IFR requirements? (Ken Brooks) 8. 10:20 AM - Re: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP (Michael McGee) 9. 10:46 AM - Re: Low fuel level indicator (Kosta Lewis) 10. 11:00 AM - grommet question (Dan Checkoway) 11. 11:06 AM - Paint Thinner vs. Lacquer Thinner? (Roger Evenson) 12. 11:27 AM - Re: grommet question (Dan Checkoway) 13. 11:32 AM - Re: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot (George McNutt) 14. 11:38 AM - Re: Low fuel level indicator (Terry Watson) 15. 11:43 AM - Re: Paint Thinner vs. Lacquer Thinner? (Jeff Orear) 16. 11:45 AM - Help KMA-20 Radio (RV6HES@comcast.net) 17. 11:48 AM - Dynon Shipped (Donald Mei) 18. 12:04 PM - LED position lights in the wingtip (BillDube@killacycle.com) 19. 12:49 PM - RV-8A Cowl (Vincent Welch) 20. 01:08 PM - Lightspeed ignition model opinions? (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 21. 01:33 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Ron Walker) 22. 01:59 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Jeff Orear) 23. 02:18 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Kevin Horton) 24. 02:58 PM - Re: Lightspeed ignition model opinions? (BPattonsoa@aol.com) 25. 03:16 PM - Off Airport Landing (Eustace Bowhay) 26. 04:02 PM - Re: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP (Bob Hassel) 27. 04:06 PM - Re: Oshkosh RV-6 accident (Cy Galley) 28. 04:12 PM - Where to buy - Govenor oil line (Tim Bryan) 29. 04:25 PM - Re: Where to buy - Govenor oil line (Larry Bowen) 30. 04:25 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Larry Bowen) 31. 04:30 PM - Re: Off Airport Landing (JusCash@aol.com) 32. 04:48 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (N223RV@aol.com) 33. 05:08 PM - Re: Where to buy - Govenor oil line (Dan Checkoway) 34. 05:09 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Dan Checkoway) 35. 05:41 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Pat Hatch) 36. 06:00 PM - MK-319-BS Shank Size? (Karie Daniel) 37. 06:05 PM - Empennage Fiberglass tip questions (Karie Daniel) 38. 06:12 PM - Re: grommet question (Cy Galley) 39. 06:16 PM - Re: grommet question (Dave Bristol) 40. 06:21 PM - Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware (Karie Daniel) 41. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware (Cy Galley) 42. 07:26 PM - Van's Oil Pressure Guage Questions (DAVID DAVENPORT) 43. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware (Kosta Lewis) 44. 07:48 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Jerry Springer) 45. 08:06 PM - Re: MK-319-BS Shank Size? (Gil Alexander) 46. 08:13 PM - Re:MK-319-BS Shank Size (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 47. 08:14 PM - Re: Van's Oil Pressure Guage Questions (Dave Bristol) 48. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware (Karie Daniel) 49. 08:20 PM - Trio Avionics digital autopilot (Rob W M Shipley) 50. 08:21 PM - FAB filter (Dave Ford) 51. 08:28 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Alex Peterson) 52. 08:31 PM - Re: FAB filter (Alex Peterson) 53. 09:16 PM - Re: Oshkosh RV-6 accident (James E. Clark) 54. 09:17 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Stein Bruch) 55. 09:21 PM - Re: Dynon Shipped (Stein Bruch) 56. 09:22 PM - Re: FAB filter (Stein Bruch) 57. 10:11 PM - Re: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot (Sam Buchanan) 58. 10:30 PM - Re: FAB filter (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:22 AM PST US From: "Richard V. Reynolds" Subject: Re: RV-List: need dimensions for 3ATI panel cutout --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" The Sandel Installation manual has the cut out dimensions. You should be able to down load it from their site. Be aware that the Sandel 3308 has some "lumps and bumps" on the top and bottom that need to be considered when arraigning your vertical spacing. Contact off line me if you can use a .dxf file. Richard Reynolds, RV-6A C J Heitman wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" > > Does anyone know where I can find a dimensioned drawing of the proper panel > cutout for a 3-ATI instrument (as used on items such as a Sandel HSI - a > square cutout with the corners cut at 45 degrees). No luck with an archive > search or with a google search. > > Chris Heitman > Dousman WI > RV-9A N94ME (reserved) > http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html > > --- > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:19 AM PST US From: dag adamson Subject: RV-List: For Sale: New Rapco Vacuum Pump & Guage --> RV-List message posted by: dag adamson Hello- I have a vacuum pump on my engine and don't need the vacuum guage. New - Rapco 215CC - Equiv Spruce # 10-23925 and Price: $275 New - 1 inch Vacuum Guage - Equiv Spruce #10-01100 and Price: $55.75 Spruce Price: $330.75 My price: $290/BO I will pay for shipping- Please reply off list Thanks Dag Do not archive ===== ***************** Dag Adamson 617 513 1182 Cambridge, MA Grand Junction, CO ***************** __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:29 AM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" Don't know what the problem is with doing it Van's way. Follow directions and it comes out great. Two Nines on the field and they look great. Keep it simple. Chuck Wiring the 'Nine > > Here's a quick and dirty page to show the results of using Jim Cone's > trailing edge rivet method. It's just the left elevator so it's a short > section. I'm going to do the right elevator probably on Saturday using > this method and I'll post the continuing results. > > http://home.teleport.com/~dianas-rv9a/ConLogE/ConLogE_trailingedge.html > > Mike > > Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR > 13B in gestation mode ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:36 AM PST US From: Michael McGee Subject: RE: RV-List: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee AH-HA! the trail gets longer. Yes, I even had your web page book-marked and had missed double flush entry (too many book-marks). This is so easy to do I'm going to show it to Van's on Monday to get their opinion. My opinion is this belongs in the builder's manual and Avery/Cleveland/et al can make some dough selling angle squeezer dies. Mike At 01:30 2003-08-09 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Todd Houg > >Micheal, > >That technique works great! I discovered that technique about 2 1/2 years >ago when I was building my -9 rudder. I'm not sure if Jim picked it up >from my page or thought it up himself - brilliant minds think alike you >know! (Now isn't that arrogant! ;o) ) I recently borrowed my modified set >to another -9 builder to do the same. You can use it for the flaps and >ailerons(on a -9) also because they use the same AEX wedge with the same angle. > >There's more details on my website at www.toddhoug.com - select "Squeezing >double flush rivets" from the menu window on the left. > >Good Luck, > Todd Houg > 90196 - slow slow build > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael McGee >Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:30 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP > >--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee > >.until you read this! >Control surfaces that use the AEX wedge and double flush trailing edge >rivets --7, 8, 9 rudders and 9 elevators and ailerons. > >The article that Jim Cone put on the RV-Lists photo share on July 29th is >worth its weight in gold..or at least its weight in tail feather skins! If >you are going to do your rudder or elevators this weekend DON'T UNTIL YOU >READ JIM'S CONE'S ARTICLE! > >I just finished one of my elevator trailing edges for the -9A this >afternoon and you almost can't tell which is the shop head and which is the >manufactured head on the rivets! I'll post some pictures later tonight, >IT'S REALLY THAT GOOD. There is a dark cloud to this silver lining..now >I'm going to have to buy new rudder skins so my TAIL FEATHERS WILL MATCH. > >It was posted in a photo share last week. Here is a copy: > >A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Jim Cone > >RV-List,RV3-List,RV4-List,RV6-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV9-List,RV10-List > > Subject: Nice Straight Edge... > >http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/jimnbev@olypen.com.07.29.2003/index.html > > >Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR >13B in gestation mode > > >eJ8+IgsGAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy >b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAsAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL >AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAASQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHJ2LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u >aWNzLmNvbQBTTVRQAHJ2LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAA >AB4AAzABAAAAFgAAAHJ2LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEw >AQAAABgAAAAncnYtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tJwACAQswAQAAABsAAABTTVRQOlJWLUxJU1RA >TUFUUk9OSUNTLkNPTQAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAFgAAAHJ2LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u >aWNzLmNvbQAAAAIB918BAAAASQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHJ2LWxpc3RAbWF0 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doing these steep approaches to give you enough altitude to make the runway should the engine quit? So in the rare situation that the engine runs rough (or even quits)due to fuel starvation, it shouldnt matter. Jeff Dowling RV-6A, finish kit Chicago/Louisville ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:17 AM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Sorry but I have to agree here. If you are careful & patient, you can end up with a good edge. I did the T/E of my rudder with NO proseal, and it's riveted the "old fashioned" way, and with a 6' straight edge on it, I can't see any waves anywhere. The rivets came out as good as any squeezed ones, and I think it looks nearly perfect. I'll put it up against the squeezed ones any day. Took about 8hrs total to build the rudder. Anyway, I'm not bragging, just want to make sure that those who don't have an air squeezer won't get too afraid, because it can be done and many have done it successfully, and it doesn't take an earth moving miracle to get it right (couldn't if I did it)! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6-N664SB/130 Hrs. RV6-N64YU (with a -7 tail) finishing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant Subject: Re: RV-List: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" Don't know what the problem is with doing it Van's way. Follow directions and it comes out great. Two Nines on the field and they look great. Keep it simple. Chuck Wiring the 'Nine ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:27 AM PST US From: "Ken Brooks" Subject: RV-List: Panel Layout -- IFR requirements? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" -listers, Amen to this! ". . .All the regulations and anecdotes should be carefully combed for useful, simple-ideas that help us evolve. 99% of what we KNOW about the certified experience is of no value in this regard except to acknowledge that they're not doing it right. Let us concentrate on deducing what makes us look like really good pilots because our airplanes are free of disappointments. Bob (Nuckolls). . ." Now. . .I want to be able to fly my RV-8 legal IFR (no, I don't intend to fly in bad weather, just be able to file, etc.) I've already been through the "paper charts" thing, and yes, I'll have them in the cockpit and they'll be up to date. We've designed the Dual Alt/Dual Batt system around Bob's same in Aeroelectric Connection. We're using The EFIS-One with EFIS-Lite backup on different busses. We have the Apollo SL-30 Nav/Com with CDI indicator. We have the Microair 760 VHF radio for backup on a separate bus. We also have a back seat repeater display for the EFIS-One (wife insisted). We can put the display power on a different bus than the front display also. The part where we differ in interpretation of the FARs is that some say you must have a wet compass. As I read the reg, it just says "magnetic heading indicator" and the solid state magnetometers with the EFIS-One/EFIS-Lite are just that, so if someone can show me why/how I must have a wet compass, I'll change my interpretation, but until then, the two (separate magnetometers) fit the bill nicely. Of course I will also have the Microair transponder with encoder with a lovely cable set made by Bob. By the way, with the EFIS-One/EFIS-Lite, we'll have two electronic skid/slip indicators and two independent turn coordinators with automatic standard rate turn indicators. Have I forgotten anything else I need for legal IFR? Thanks in advance. Ken Brooks RV-8QB in progress N1903P reserved How fortunate for governments that the people do not think -- Adolf Hitler ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:28 AM PST US From: Michael McGee Subject: RE: RV-List: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee Didn't use an air squeezer it's a hand unit from Avery. At 11:21 2003-08-09 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >Sorry but I have to agree here. If you are careful & patient, you can end >up with a good edge. I did the T/E of my rudder with NO proseal, and it's >riveted the "old fashioned" way, and with a 6' straight edge on it, I can't >see any waves anywhere. The rivets came out as good as any squeezed ones, >and I think it looks nearly perfect. I'll put it up against the squeezed >ones any day. Took about 8hrs total to build the rudder. Anyway, I'm not >bragging, just want to make sure that those who don't have an air squeezer >won't get too afraid, because it can be done and many have done it >successfully, and it doesn't take an earth moving miracle to get it right >(couldn't if I did it)! > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch >RV6-N664SB/130 Hrs. >RV6-N64YU (with a -7 tail) finishing. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: RESULTS-Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" > >Don't know what the problem is with doing it Van's way. Follow directions >and it comes out great. Two Nines on the field and they look great. Keep it >simple. >Chuck >Wiring the 'Nine > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:17 AM PST US From: "Kosta Lewis" Subject: RE: RV-List: Low fuel level indicator --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" I personally would not need a light to tell me what I already would be well aware of. I am constantly monitoring my fuel status, switching tanks every 30 minutes and plan my fuel stops with a good reserve, partly because I have about a 2-2.5 hour butt. Even without a fuel flow meter, my estimates of how much fuel I will take on at my stops is always very close. I guess a redundant system, the light, is OK, but not really necessary if you are paying attention to your fuel consumption. If you are cutting fuel quantity/reserve close enough you need a fuel light to tell you so, perhaps a change in flying technique/flight planning should also be considered. IMHO only. Michael ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:39 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: grommet question --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" On my IO-360, I had to replace the hose that runs up from the fuel injection controller to the spider. The new hose is thinner than the old hose, so the grommet I was using in the lower baffling (AN931-12-17 or MS35489-20) is too big (ID is too big, that is). The old hose was 3/4" (thus -12), but the new hose is 9/16". They don't make an AN931-9-17 that I can find. I'm just curious if there's a simple solution for this, like wrapping something around the hose where it passes through the grommet in order to build the OD up to 3/4", or whether it's just a matter of getting out the high-temp silicone and filling the gap with it (seems really cheesy to do that). Does anybody know of a rubber grommet with: - ID = 9/16" or 5/8" - hole size = 1" or 1 1/16" I guess I could replace that lower baffling (and drill a smaller grommet hole in the new one) as a last resort, but I'd like to avoid that if possible. Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:21 AM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Paint Thinner vs. Lacquer Thinner? --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" For cleaning aluminum, does it make any difference which solvent one uses? Roger. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:19 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: grommet question --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > controller to the spider. The new hose is thinner than the old hose, so the And not to worry...the hose ID hasn't changed, just the outside is thinner! Still a -4 hose with firesleeve, just a different manufacturer. do not archive )_( Dan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:08 AM PST US From: "George McNutt" Subject: RE: RV-List: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot --> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" Subject: RV-List: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot --> RV-List message posted by: Thomas Velvick I have been beta testing the EZ Pilot digital autopilot from Trio Avionics (www.trioavionics.com). It replaces the Navaid AP gyro with a new digital head that has a lot more capabilities (if you dont already have a Navaid, they will also include a servo). Hi Tom Had a quick look at their web site and it looks like the one (essential to me) thing it cannot do is provide turn & bank info. George McNutt Langley B.C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:53 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Low fuel level indicator --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Michael, I suppose we all learn more from our own experiences than we do from what other people tell us, and I'm pleased to know that you are constantly aware of just how much fuel you have left, no matter what else is going on in the cockpit. I have always been perhaps overly conservative about having enough fuel, but there was one incident in my low time but many year flying history where circumstances outside the cockpit put me in a seriously low fuel situation and a low fuel warning light gave me a reliable benchmark as to just how much trouble I was in. "flying technique/flight planning" had nothing to do with it. So let me ask again: Has anyone had any experience with the optical low fuel warning system from aircraftextras.com? Terry RV-8A #80729 Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kosta Lewis Subject: RE: RV-List: Low fuel level indicator --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" I personally would not need a light to tell me what I already would be well aware of. I am constantly monitoring my fuel status, switching tanks every 30 minutes and plan my fuel stops with a good reserve, partly because I have about a 2-2.5 hour butt. Even without a fuel flow meter, my estimates of how much fuel I will take on at my stops is always very close. I guess a redundant system, the light, is OK, but not really necessary if you are paying attention to your fuel consumption. If you are cutting fuel quantity/reserve close enough you need a fuel light to tell you so, perhaps a change in flying technique/flight planning should also be considered. IMHO only. Michael ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:21 AM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: Paint Thinner vs. Lacquer Thinner? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Roger: For what it is worth, I have used Coleman lantern fluid for parts cleanup prior to priming throughout my project with very good results. A bit cheaper too. Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A fuselage (waiting for finish kit) Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Paint Thinner vs. Lacquer Thinner? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" > > For cleaning aluminum, does it make any difference which solvent one uses? > Roger. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:06 AM PST US From: RV6HES@comcast.net Subject: RV-List: Help KMA-20 Radio --> RV-List message posted by: RV6HES@comcast.net Listers: searching for a pin out diagram for a King KMA-20 audio panel. Any help appreciated. Harvey Sigmon RV-6AQB flying ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:01 AM PST US From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit shipped Thursday. Regards, Don Mei ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:31 PM PST US From: "BillDube@killacycle.com" Subject: RV-List: LED position lights in the wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" I unwrapped a wingtip, trimmed the plexiglass to fit, slipped the LED position light in place and took a picture. Pretty nifty looking if I do say so myself. :-) Put the picture up on the web page: http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm I also posted the assembly manual for the lights at: http://www.killacycle.com/Instructions.htm Looking forward, Bill Dube' Bill Dube' 2244 Grape Street Denver, Colorado 80207 (303) 329-9158 (evening) (303) 497-3933 (day) (303) 859-1592 (cellular) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:55 PM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RV-List: RV-8A Cowl --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" I am fitting my cowl (RV-8A) and I noticed that the distance between the top of the number 2 cylinder and the cowl top is much less than the number one cylinder and the cowl, is this normal? The distance on the left side is a little over the width of my index finger. How do I leave a gap of 1/2" between the cowl and the top of the baffle? If I rotate the cowl counter clockwise (looking aft) I can get a little more space over No. 2 BUT, the distance measured from the shop floor to the cowl inlet is an inch higher on the left side compared to the right. It appears that this would leave the running uphill from left to right (looking aft). I originally set the cowl up by measuring from the shop floor to the same location on each inlet. I adjusted the cowl to get the same dimension on each inlet so that they would be perfectly horizontal. I was planning on leaving the top of the cowl flush with the spinner to allow for some settling. The drawing calls for the cowl to be 1/8" higher than the spinner; I could do that but what happens when the engine settles? Further, raising the cowl 1/8" really doesn't help the spacing over No. 2 much. There is a little more space between the engine and the side of the cowl on the right than the left also. I have been told that the motor mount is offset a little to account for asymmetrical thrust so I suppose that explains the lateral spacing difference. I don't want to run into problems down the road when I start trimming the baffles so I am holding off drilling the cowl until someone can help me resolve this issue. ANY HELP OUT THERE???? PLEASE! Vince Welch ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:23 PM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed ignition model opinions? --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Gonna break down and buy a Lightspeed, especially now that I'm starting to show signs of a bad mag. (I have no idea which one) I know this has been discussed ad-nauseum, but I want to get some current opinions on the various Lightspeed models. Please comment if you are flying with a lightspeed, particularly if your installation is recent. a few things: 1] Regarding sensor type; other than installation ease; is there any benefit between the direct crank sensor vs. the in-the-mag-hole sensor? (performance, accuracy, maintenance needs, etc???) Is mounting the flywheel type sensor particularly problematic or is it as simple as drilling a hole and sticking in the magnet? (How does the magnet fasten in the hole?) Any other installation or set-up surprises? (other than having to go find a T for the MP line?) Does it work well right out of the box, or is it going to take a lot of cowl pulling and adjustments? 2] For those with the 2-Plus or 3 versions that come with an assortment of cockpit monitoring guages: I already have a tach and MP, so the extra $150 is just for the spark advance display. Is this really a useful piece of information or is it just another flashing light that you never really look at. And also, I guess the standard model includes a switch that replaces the key. Any comments about that? 3] I've heard performance improvement claims as much as 8 hp, particularly at high altitudes which is where I fly. Can anyone testify to this? Such a big jump may mean that the next $1000 surprise will be needing a new higher pitch prop. Thanks, Andy ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:36 PM PST US From: "Ron Walker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" What seems to be the typical wait time on this unit anyway? I'm curious. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit shipped > Thursday. > > Regards, > > Don Mei > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:52 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Ron: I was told 12 weeks when I ordered mine at Oshkosh. Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A fuselage (waiting for finish kit) Dynon order 423 Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Walker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" > > What seems to be the typical wait time on this unit anyway? I'm curious. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Mei" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > > > For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit > shipped > > Thursday. > > > > Regards, > > > > Don Mei > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:17 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton The wait time is probably a moving target. From what I can tell from monitoring e-mail lists, #40 shipped in late March, #269 shipped on July 9th, and now we have #351 shipped on August 7th. That's an average of about 20 shipped per week in the last month. They supposedly are trying to ramp up to 30 per week. I ordered mine on about June 24th, and my number is 367. They told me to expect it to ship in September, but at the rate they are going it could ship around the end of August. That would make about a nine week lead time for me. But I'm betting they took a lot of orders at OSH, so the backlog may have increased. Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" > >What seems to be the typical wait time on this unit anyway? I'm curious. > >Ron > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald Mei" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" >> >> For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit >shipped >> Thursday. >> >> Regards, >> >> Don Mei > > >> ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:41 PM PST US From: BPattonsoa@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed ignition model opinions? --> RV-List message posted by: BPattonsoa@aol.com Been flying the mag replacement version, simple without all the adds for about 100 hr. I wired a switch into my panel for an electronic system with the original construction. I labeled it "spare" for the FAA so they gave me the minimum certified engine hours to fly off. Had a keyed ignition switch with two mag positions, so one of the positions became non functional. Installation took about 6 hours, including mounting the box inside the cabin on standoffs. I lost the throw of the dice and had to reverse the wires otherwise the system worked right from the second start and was timed just right. Setting the "mag" was far too simple. Noticed a 2-3 knot increase in 2300 rpm cruise and some drop in fuel flow. Leaning became much more sensitive. (I have noticed that you can get a false lean at very low EGTs at high altitudes. Before I figured out that my mag wires were reversed from initial construction (me), I thought that the rpm drop when switching the mag off was 0. After doing a mea cupa on that, I get 10-20 rpm drop with the mag off (VMS instrument system), and the usual 120-160 turning off the ignition system. Highly recommend. Bruce Patton -6A flying (a lot) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:17 PM PST US From: "Eustace Bowhay" Subject: RV-List: Off Airport Landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" Cash, I like Kevin have to give you top marks for posting your incident to the list. These are the kind of posts that lead to a genuine safety related discussion. I would like to add some observations and practices that I have used in the twelve years I have been flying my RV 6. You mentioned that you thought it may have been carb ice. When I built the 6 I had some concerns about the low output of the rather small heat muff for a dedicated source of carb heat. I did a series of tests on carb icing and the following was the results. Engine was a carb equipped 0360 swinging a Hartzell CS. and a cross over exhaust system. No ice could be generated except under the most severe conditions and then it was slow to accumulate and was easily handled by the use of the alternate air source. Because the carb is bolted directly to the engine sump and receives a lot of heat transfer plus a tremendous amount of heat is generated in this area by the cross-over exhausts I am convinced that the combination of the two make this Lycoming installation the most carb ice resistant I have flown with. Aircraft with the carb mounted separately creates a entirely different situation. I use the manifold pressure gauge for my carb ice indicator, if ice starts to accumulate the manifold pressure will start to drop and immediately apply carb heat (alternate air) then under these conditions just leave it on. If conditions warrant it select heat when starting decent and leave it on. As for fuel management the rules I have established are as follows, I never take-off with less than half tanks and never land with less than 1 1/2 hours fuel on board and never switch tanks below 1000 ft. This was after riding with a friend in a fuel injected installation,he blew a tank and it used up the best part of a thousand feet to get things going again. I am now running with fuel injection and in the tests I have done there is no fuel pressure drop with or without the boost pump while switching. I fly 1/2 hour out of each side and the switch is done with boost pump on, switch while monitoring the fuel pressure to make sure there is no drop then boost pump of. I have never had it happen on the RV but if the fuel pressure dropped even a pound of two I would immediately go back to the other tank and find out what the problem was. Still use my old airforce check list (GUMP) for the arrivals and it is still keeping me out of trouble. Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:09 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RE: RV-List: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" That's some nice work and documentation! I used a slightly different method, it may even be the one mentioned in the planes (can't quite remember) but I thought I'd share it anyway... 8-) We clecoed every hole on the rudder. We used the 2x rivet gun and the back rivet plate for this process. Next we inserted a rivet in the middle of the trailing edge and set it only enough to get it started, just one or two taps. We then partially set the next rivet going out to the fifth hole from the first rivet we set (starting from the middle and working our way out towards both of the ends and the same time). So do one skip to the fifth, then the fifth one down on the other side. Go back and forth from the middle until both ends are reached. This is only a partially set rivet remember. Next we did the same thing starting from the middle rivet with every third rivet to both ends. We alternated on each side so we reached both ends evenly (we didn't go from the middle rivet to one end and then the middle rivet to the other end). Again this is with a partially set rivet. The same process was used to set the remaining rivets (which would now be every-other rivet, in line). Again this is only partially set. Once all of the rivets were partially set we repeated the process by doing a final set of the rivet. Starting in the middle and going every fifth rivet in both directions, then every third rivet, then the final remaining (every other) rivet. The end result was a beautiful smooth straight line that looked great on either side (couldn't tell the machined from the shop head) and no use of pro-seal was needed to keep everything in place. Bob Hassel RV9A -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael McGee Subject: RE: RV-List: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee AH-HA! the trail gets longer. Yes, I even had your web page book-marked and had missed double flush entry (too many book-marks). This is so easy to do I'm going to show it to Van's on Monday to get their opinion. My opinion is this belongs in the builder's manual and Avery/Cleveland/et al can make some dough selling angle squeezer dies. Mike At 01:30 2003-08-09 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Todd Houg > >Micheal, > >That technique works great! I discovered that technique about 2 1/2 years >ago when I was building my -9 rudder. I'm not sure if Jim picked it up >from my page or thought it up himself - brilliant minds think alike you >know! (Now isn't that arrogant! ;o) ) I recently borrowed my modified set >to another -9 builder to do the same. You can use it for the flaps and >ailerons(on a -9) also because they use the same AEX wedge with the same angle. > >There's more details on my website at www.toddhoug.com - select "Squeezing >double flush rivets" from the menu window on the left. > >Good Luck, > Todd Houg > 90196 - slow slow build > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael McGee >Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:30 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Empennage/Aileron builders--STOP > >--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee > >.until you read this! >Control surfaces that use the AEX wedge and double flush trailing edge >rivets --7, 8, 9 rudders and 9 elevators and ailerons. > >The article that Jim Cone put on the RV-Lists photo share on July 29th is >worth its weight in gold..or at least its weight in tail feather skins! If >you are going to do your rudder or elevators this weekend DON'T UNTIL YOU >READ JIM'S CONE'S ARTICLE! > >I just finished one of my elevator trailing edges for the -9A this >afternoon and you almost can't tell which is the shop head and which is the >manufactured head on the rivets! I'll post some pictures later tonight, >IT'S REALLY THAT GOOD. There is a dark cloud to this silver lining..now >I'm going to have to buy new rudder skins so my TAIL FEATHERS WILL MATCH. > >It was posted in a photo share last week. 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that they boxed it up and drove it back home. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Eberhart" Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh RV-6 accident > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart > > Has anyone heard what they did with Van's red demonstrator RV-6 that was > involved in the runway accident at Oshkosh? Just curious if they are > going to replace the wing in the workshop at Pioneer field. Possibly > borrow a wing from the EAA young eagles RV-6 so they could ferry it home? > > Steve Eberhart > RV-7A - working on wings > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:34 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Where to buy - Govenor oil line --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" =0D Hi listers,=0D =0D Need to know where to buy a govenor oil line for an 0-360. Was at vans yesterday and they do not carry them.=0D =0D Tim=0D RV-6 N616TB ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Where to buy - Govenor oil line --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Aerosport sells them, I think. http://www.aerosportpower.com/ I bought some flex hose and ends and made it myself. Tested it at the local FBO. It wasn't difficult. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003 - The year of flight! > -----Original Message----- > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" > > =0D > Hi listers,=0D > =0D > Need to know where to buy a govenor oil line for an 0-360. > Was at vans yesterday and they do not carry them.=0D =0D > Tim=0D RV-6 N616TB ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:43 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Congrats. Has anyone received a replacement battery for their Dynon yet? Still waiting on mine....... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003 - The year of flight! Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Mei [mailto:don_mei@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:47 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and > my unit shipped > Thursday. > > Regards, > > Don Mei ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:33 PM PST US From: JusCash@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Airport Landing --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com Thanks Eustace, thought carb ice was the problem, now I'm not so sure. I am going to check the fuel system very carefully when I get back to Hollister. After the recovery it started right up. That doesn't mean that everything is OK. Cash In a message dated 8/9/2003 3:16:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ebowhay@jetstream.net writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" > > > Cash, I like Kevin have to give you top marks for posting your incident to > the list. These are the kind of posts that lead to a genuine safety related > discussion. I would like to add some observations and practices that I have > used in the twelve years I have been flying my RV 6. > > You mentioned that you thought it may have been carb ice. When I built the 6 > I had some concerns about the low output of the rather small heat muff for a > dedicated source of carb heat. I did a series of tests on carb icing and the > following was the results. Engine was a carb equipped 0360 swinging a > Hartzell CS. and a cross over exhaust system. No ice could be generated except > under the most severe conditions and then it was slow to accumulate and was > easily handled by the use of the alternate air source. Because the carb is bolted > directly to the engine sump and receives a lot of heat transfer plus a > tremendous amount of heat is generated in this area by the cross-over exhausts I > am convinced that the combination of the two make this Lycoming installation > the most carb ice resistant I have flown with. > > Aircraft with the carb mounted separately creates a entirely different > situation. > > I use the manifold pressure gauge for my carb ice indicator, if ice starts > to accumulate the manifold pressure will start to drop and immediately apply > carb heat (alternate air) then under these conditions just leave it on. If > conditions warrant it select heat when starting decent and leave it on. > > As for fuel management the rules I have established are as follows, I never > take-off with less than half tanks and never land with less than 1 1/2 hours > fuel on board and never switch tanks below 1000 ft. This was after riding > with a friend in a fuel injected installation,he blew a tank and it used up the > best part of a thousand feet to get things going again. > > I am now running with fuel injection and in the tests I have done there is > no fuel pressure drop with or without the boost pump while switching. I fly > 1/2 hour out of each side and the switch is done with boost pump on, switch > while monitoring the fuel pressure to make sure there is no drop then boost pump > of. I have never had it happen on the RV but if the fuel pressure dropped > even a pound of two I would immediately go back to the other tank and find out > what the problem was. > > Still use my old airforce check list (GUMP) for the arrivals and it is still > keeping me out of trouble. > > Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C. > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:24 PM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com I spoke with Dynon on Friday, they say my replacement battery and magnetometer shipped out Thursday afternoon. I was order #199. -Mike Kraus N223RV ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:38 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to buy - Govenor oil line --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" If you want to use a hose instead, I highly recommend Precision Hose Technology: http://www.aircrafthose.com Good people and good prices. Other than that, for Lycoming parts maybe try Sacramento Sky Ranch? http://www.sacskyranch.com Hope this helps, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Where to buy - Govenor oil line > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" > > =0D > Hi listers,=0D > =0D > Need to know where to buy a govenor oil line for an 0-360. Was at vans > yesterday and they do not carry them.=0D > =0D > Tim=0D > RV-6 N616TB > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:45 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I got my replacement battery last week. I also got the remote compass. All set to go now...well, that is once that USB-to-serial adapter I just ordered arrives...oh yeah, and I have to finish building this plane, and THEN I'll be all set to go. 8-) )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Congrats. > > Has anyone received a replacement battery for their Dynon yet? Still > waiting on mine....... > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > 2003 - The year of flight! > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donald Mei [mailto:don_mei@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:47 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > > > For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and > > my unit shipped > > Thursday. > > > > Regards, > > > > Don Mei > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:48 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Uhhh, has anyone else had this thought: sounds like an awful lot of people are building IFR RV's out there with all these Dynons being ordered. This is a good thing, if true. do not archive Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > The wait time is probably a moving target. From what I can tell from > monitoring e-mail lists, #40 shipped in late March, #269 shipped on > July 9th, and now we have #351 shipped on August 7th. That's an > average of about 20 shipped per week in the last month. They > supposedly are trying to ramp up to 30 per week. > > I ordered mine on about June 24th, and my number is 367. They told > me to expect it to ship in September, but at the rate they are going > it could ship around the end of August. That would make about a nine > week lead time for me. But I'm betting they took a lot of orders at > OSH, so the backlog may have increased. > > Kevin Horton > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" > > > >What seems to be the typical wait time on this unit anyway? I'm curious. > > > >Ron > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Donald Mei" > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > >> > >> For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit > >shipped > >> Thursday. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Don Mei > > > > >> > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:10 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: RV-List: MK-319-BS Shank Size? --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" Anyone know what the shank size of the MK-319-BS rivet is? I'm a little perplexed, seems like every bit I've tried is either slightly larger or slightly smaller for this rivet. I don't want a dimple that's too deep and hole that's too large. I called Vans and they said it was a 7/32. So either I'm looking at an entirely wrong blind rivet or Vans misunderstood my question. A 7/32 is gigantic compared to what I'm looking at as a MK-319-BS rivet. These are the four blind rivets you use on the trailing edge of the elevator near the trim tab, you can't get to this using a normal rivet. Karie Daniel Sammamish, WA RV-7A QB ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:39 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: RV-List: Empennage Fiberglass tip questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" I'm getting ready to do the glass work for my empennage and I've read posts about builders attaching a thin piece of aluminum on the inside with epoxy before placing the blind rivet. What is a good epoxy to use to attach the aluminum strip? Any pictures or web links to do the empennage glass work would be greatly appreciated. Karie Daniel Sammamish, WA RV-7A QB ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:45 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: grommet question --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Why not make an overlay patch with the proper hole for the obtainable grommet? It could be an oval that could be riveted over the old over size hole. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: grommet question > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > On my IO-360, I had to replace the hose that runs up from the fuel injection > controller to the spider. The new hose is thinner than the old hose, so the > grommet I was using in the lower baffling (AN931-12-17 or MS35489-20) is too > big (ID is too big, that is). The old hose was 3/4" (thus -12), but the new > hose is 9/16". They don't make an AN931-9-17 that I can find. > > I'm just curious if there's a simple solution for this, like wrapping > something around the hose where it passes through the grommet in order to > build the OD up to 3/4", or whether it's just a matter of getting out the > high-temp silicone and filling the gap with it (seems really cheesy to do > that). > > Does anybody know of a rubber grommet with: > > - ID = 9/16" or 5/8" > - hole size = 1" or 1 1/16" > > I guess I could replace that lower baffling (and drill a smaller grommet > hole in the new one) as a last resort, but I'd like to avoid that if > possible. > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:46 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: grommet question --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol I think that I'd just rivit a patch over the hole and make a new hole. Dave Dan Checkoway wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >On my IO-360, I had to replace the hose that runs up from the fuel injection >controller to the spider. The new hose is thinner than the old hose, so the >grommet I was using in the lower baffling (AN931-12-17 or MS35489-20) is too >big (ID is too big, that is). The old hose was 3/4" (thus -12), but the new >hose is 9/16". They don't make an AN931-9-17 that I can find. > >I'm just curious if there's a simple solution for this, like wrapping >something around the hose where it passes through the grommet in order to >build the OD up to 3/4", or whether it's just a matter of getting out the >high-temp silicone and filling the gap with it (seems really cheesy to do >that). > >Does anybody know of a rubber grommet with: > >- ID = 9/16" or 5/8" >- hole size = 1" or 1 1/16" > >I guess I could replace that lower baffling (and drill a smaller grommet >hole in the new one) as a last resort, but I'd like to avoid that if >possible. > >Thanks in advance, >)_( Dan >RV-7 N714D >http://www.rvproject.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:20 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" Since I will be moving to my QB wings shortly I purchased the Cleaveland wing tip attach kit (WHS-220) http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?numberWHS220&variation&aitem1&mitem1 After receiving the kit I was surprised that these are only #4 screws. This seems very small to attach the wing tip? Instructions say to just soft rivet plate nuts directly to the fiberglass the screw in. I feel pretty silly now paying $44.00 plus shipping for what looks like $3.00 worth of soft rivets, plate nuts and screws. Is this really a good way to go? Is it going to go the distance to hold the wingtips securely for years to come? I'm not slamming Cleaveland here their great guys with great service and they are always excellent to deal with. I'm just wondering if I bought the right thing in this case. Karie Daniel Sammamish, WA RV-7A QB And yes, I've been busy in the garage lately. I just didn't want to pile 50 questions in to one mail. Thanks everyone! ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:27 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Well, Lyle Hefel uses the #4 screw for his wing tips and so did the Bronze Lindy winner Greg Klema. They look nice and are unobtrusive. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > > Since I will be moving to my QB wings shortly I purchased the Cleaveland wing tip attach kit (WHS-220) http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?numberWHS220&variatio n&aitem1&mitem1 > After receiving the kit I was surprised that these are only #4 screws. This seems very small to attach the wing tip? Instructions say to just soft rivet plate nuts directly to the fiberglass the screw in. > > I feel pretty silly now paying $44.00 plus shipping for what looks like $3.00 worth of soft rivets, plate nuts and screws. Is this really a good way to go? Is it going to go the distance to hold the wingtips securely for years to come? > > I'm not slamming Cleaveland here their great guys with great service and they are always excellent to deal with. I'm just wondering if I bought the right thing in this case. > > Karie Daniel > Sammamish, WA > RV-7A QB > > And yes, I've been busy in the garage lately. I just didn't want to pile 50 questions in to one mail. Thanks everyone! > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:52 PM PST US From: "DAVID DAVENPORT" Subject: RV-List: Van's Oil Pressure Guage Questions --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID DAVENPORT" Many of you in the past have stated that Van's oil pressure sender needs to be grounded better than that provided by the anodized aluminum manifold block it mounts on. My question is, how have you guys been acheiving a better ground? I am presently getting around a 40-45 PSI indication regardless of RPM's. The oil line going to the sending unit is filled with fluid, so that solution has already been applied, resulting in about a 5-7 PSI increase. Has anyone been using these guages for a while now and is acheiving good reliability? From all that is in the archives, one has to wonder. Thanks in advance for any help. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:17 PM PST US From: "Kosta Lewis" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" Yes it is a great system and yes you made the right choice. MUCH better look than the larger screws I have seen. I suggest getting a second set of screws as they are easily stripped but look and work GREAT. Mine have stayed stuck on for over 700 hours. Which is, I guess, years and years. IMHO, of course. Michael ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:12 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Frankly that is the last place I would put one, in an IFR RV. That is a bad thing IMO if true. Jerry do not archive Pat Hatch wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" > >Uhhh, has anyone else had this thought: sounds like an awful lot of people >are building IFR RV's out there with all these Dynons being ordered. This >is a good thing, if true. > >do not archive > >Pat Hatch >RV-4 >RV-6 >RV-7 QB (Building) >Vero Beach, FL > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Horton" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >> >>The wait time is probably a moving target. From what I can tell from >>monitoring e-mail lists, #40 shipped in late March, #269 shipped on >>July 9th, and now we have #351 shipped on August 7th. That's an >>average of about 20 shipped per week in the last month. They >>supposedly are trying to ramp up to 30 per week. >> >>I ordered mine on about June 24th, and my number is 367. They told >>me to expect it to ship in September, but at the rate they are going >>it could ship around the end of August. That would make about a nine >>week lead time for me. But I'm betting they took a lot of orders at >>OSH, so the backlog may have increased. >> >>Kevin Horton >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" >>> >>>What seems to be the typical wait time on this unit anyway? I'm curious. >>> >>>Ron >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Donald Mei" >>>To: >>>Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" >>>> >>>> For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit >>>> >>>> >>>shipped >>> >>> >>>> Thursday. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Don Mei >>>> >>>> >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:53 PM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: RV-List: MK-319-BS Shank Size? --> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander Karie, This on-line reference chart puts it at between a #32 and #33 drill size (2.9 mm) http://www.emhart.com/products/pop/nickel2.htm However, a 7/64 drill is only 0.005 in. under the rivet size, and drilling by hand, so the rivet would probably fit... A different manufacturers cross reference chart is here... http://www.marshallsales.com/products/compchart2.htm gil in Tucson At 06:01 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > >Anyone know what the shank size of the MK-319-BS rivet is? I'm a little >perplexed, seems like every bit I've tried is either slightly larger or >slightly smaller for this rivet. I don't want a dimple that's too deep and >hole that's too large. I called Vans and they said it was a 7/32. So >either I'm looking at an entirely wrong blind rivet or Vans misunderstood >my question. A 7/32 is gigantic compared to what I'm looking at as a >MK-319-BS rivet. > >These are the four blind rivets you use on the trailing edge of the >elevator near the trim tab, you can't get to this using a normal rivet. > >Karie Daniel >Sammamish, WA >RV-7A QB > > RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall... 77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:44 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:MK-319-BS Shank Size --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I found that a 9/64" bit works well with these rivets. I just tossed the drill bit into the plastic drawer with the rivets,so I don't have to look for it each time. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:13 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's Oil Pressure Guage Questions --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol My first one was bad out of the box. The second sender lasted 190 hours and is now getting flaky. If I were to do it over I'd use a direct reading mechanical gage since I've seen too many bad senders on cars as well as aircraft. Of course, I'll undoubtedly get flamed again for voicing my opinion on this, but just take one apart and look at it for yourself - you'll probably come to the same conclusion that I did. Dave Bristol, RV6, So Cal, EAA Technical Counselor DAVID DAVENPORT wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID DAVENPORT" > >Many of you in the past have stated that Van's oil pressure sender needs to be grounded better than that provided by the anodized aluminum manifold block it mounts on. My question is, how have you guys been acheiving a better ground? I am presently getting around a 40-45 PSI indication regardless of RPM's. The oil line going to the sending unit is filled with fluid, so that solution has already been applied, resulting in about a 5-7 PSI increase. Has anyone been using these guages for a while now and is acheiving good reliability? From all that is in the archives, one has to wonder. Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:19 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" I guess that's good enough for me then. :-) Thanks, I just wanted to make sure this was nice way to go. Just seems too easy to me I guess! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > Well, Lyle Hefel uses the #4 screw for his wing tips and so did the Bronze > Lindy winner Greg Klema. They look nice and are unobtrusive. > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karie Daniel" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Re: Cleaveland RV Wing Tip Attach Hardware > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > > > > Since I will be moving to my QB wings shortly I purchased the Cleaveland > wing tip attach kit (WHS-220) > http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?numberWHS220&variatio > n&aitem1&mitem1 > > After receiving the kit I was surprised that these are only #4 screws. > This seems very small to attach the wing tip? Instructions say to just soft > rivet plate nuts directly to the fiberglass the screw in. > > > > I feel pretty silly now paying $44.00 plus shipping for what looks like > $3.00 worth of soft rivets, plate nuts and screws. Is this really a good way > to go? Is it going to go the distance to hold the wingtips securely for > years to come? > > > > I'm not slamming Cleaveland here their great guys with great service and > they are always excellent to deal with. I'm just wondering if I bought the > right thing in this case. > > > > Karie Daniel > > Sammamish, WA > > RV-7A QB > > > > And yes, I've been busy in the garage lately. I just didn't want to pile > 50 questions in to one mail. Thanks everyone! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:37 PM PST US From: "Rob W M Shipley" Subject: RV-List: Trio Avionics digital autopilot --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" I've come to know these guys quite well during the last year. Good honest people with a very good looking product. There's going to be one in my panel. Rob Rob W M Shipley RV9A N919RV (res) Fuselage Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:52:26 -0000 From: "Thomas Velvick" Subject: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot I have been beta testing the EZ Pilot digital autopilot from Trio Avionics (www.trioavionics.com). It replaces the Navaid AP gyro with a new digital head that has a lot more capabilities (if you dont already have a Navaid, they will also include a servo). It understands the NMEA sentence format from handheld GPSs as well as the aviation format sentence from panelmount GPSs. This means you can get rid of your smart coupler to connect a handheld gps. Since the EZ Pilot reads the complete sentence output from the GPS it knows exactly where it is in relation to the waypoints, not just the cross track error like the Navaid uses. This allows it to fly the flight plan and anticipate each waypoint as well as to fly intercepts and course reversals. The AP also has a two line digital display that shows several parameters at one time such as ETE, GPS groundspeed, Distance to Waypoint, ETC. In actual practice, my EZ Pilot AP is now working excellent and handles turbulence better than the Navaid does. Its also nice to look at the display and see your course compared to the bearing to the waypoint and the distance in hundredth of a mile you are off the centerline. It is normally flying within 0 to 50 feet of the centerline. An additional digital gyro module is being developed as an option for enhanced turbulence control. There are other features that I havent talked about. So if you are in the market for a digital autopilot or want to upgrade your Navaid, heres another option. Regards, Tom Velvick N53KT RV-4 N188KJ RV-6a wiring. ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:59 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: FAB filter --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" Does the K&N filter that comes with Van's FAB kit come pre-oiled? I can't really tell if it is-it does not appear oily, but the element is not white either. What kind of oil can I use to be sure it is oiled? Should it be soaked in oil or sprayed? Dave Ford RV6 finishing ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:49 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > >>Uhhh, has anyone else had this thought: sounds like an awful lot of >>people are building IFR RV's out there with all these Dynons being >>ordered. This is a good thing, if true. >> > Frankly that is the last place I would put one, in an IFR RV. > That is a bad thing IMO if true. > > I don't know much about Dynon's system. However, I do know a lot about component design and system design. There are a lot of dead guys behind the evolution of many designs in aviation, airframes and systems. One does need to be quite humble to where the certified industry has evolved to over the years. It is very easy to chuck rocks at their "antiquated" methodology, and jump to new stuff. No problem with VFR, but altogether different for IFR. That being said, I am certainly not saying we should not use new technology. I only caution those who do make leaps of technology to be very, very aware of how small changes to a design, system, etc., usually have unforeseen consequences. These unforeseen consequences can be nasty, and I've never seen a design change that didn't have surprises. It is quite easy to point to accidents caused by mechanical gyro failures and conclude we just need to replace them with something else. Keep in mind, in doing this "analysis", that the area under the cumulative time in use of vacuum gyros combined with electric TC/TB (for example) is huge, while the total time the newcomers (Dynon) have is quite limited, probably one millionth as much time. Something to think about - the temptation to believe that a design change will be an overall improvement is overwhelming, but experience tells otherwise. Systems like Dynon's are clearly where the future is, but expect turbulence and dead guys along the way. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 337 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:39 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAB filter --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" The charging oil is red. If the filter is dark red, it is good to go. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 337 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson > Does the K&N filter that comes with Van's FAB kit come > pre-oiled? I can't really tell if it is-it does not appear > oily, but the element is not white either. What kind of oil > can I use to be sure it is oiled? Should it be soaked in oil > or sprayed? ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:56 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oshkosh RV-6 accident --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Listers, I believe it was "our" own Cy Galley who won a "Lifetime Achievement" award at OSH this year. Each year, we often hear about planes that won awards but Cy (along with about four others, including a member of our chapter) got one for doing good stuff over many years. Congrats Cy!! And if I got this wrong ... oh well. :-) James (from EAA Chapter 242) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 7:07 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh RV-6 accident > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > It is my understanding that they boxed it up and drove it back home. > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Eberhart" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh RV-6 accident > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart > > > > Has anyone heard what they did with Van's red demonstrator RV-6 > that was > > involved in the runway accident at Oshkosh? Just curious if they are > > going to replace the wing in the workshop at Pioneer field. Possibly > > borrow a wing from the EAA young eagles RV-6 so they could > ferry it home? > > > > Steve Eberhart > > RV-7A - working on wings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:02 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" I received my replacement battery last week, and waiting time was about 2 weeks. Cheers, Stein Bruch Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Congrats. Has anyone received a replacement battery for their Dynon yet? Still waiting on mine....... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003 - The year of flight! Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Mei [mailto:don_mei@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:47 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and > my unit shipped > Thursday. > > Regards, > > Don Mei ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:20 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" My Dynon is going in my "light/cheap" Night/VFR RV6. My flying -6 is IFR, but has a LOT more stuff than just a dynon, like DME,VOR/ILS/GS,Marker Beacon,AI,DG,T&B,GPS,etc.. all certified with a variety of vacuum & electrical for backup. Cheers, Stein Bruch Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Uhhh, has anyone else had this thought: sounds like an awful lot of people are building IFR RV's out there with all these Dynons being ordered. This is a good thing, if true. do not archive Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > The wait time is probably a moving target. From what I can tell from > monitoring e-mail lists, #40 shipped in late March, #269 shipped on > July 9th, and now we have #351 shipped on August 7th. That's an > average of about 20 shipped per week in the last month. They > supposedly are trying to ramp up to 30 per week. > > I ordered mine on about June 24th, and my number is 367. They told > me to expect it to ship in September, but at the rate they are going > it could ship around the end of August. That would make about a nine > week lead time for me. But I'm betting they took a lot of orders at > OSH, so the backlog may have increased. > > Kevin Horton > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" > > > >What seems to be the typical wait time on this unit anyway? I'm curious. > > > >Ron > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Donald Mei" > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: Dynon Shipped > > > > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > >> > >> For those on the waiting list at Dynon. I am number 351 and my unit > >shipped > >> Thursday. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Don Mei > > > > >> > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:12 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAB filter --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Yes....it should. If it's red/dark pink, it's oiled. If it's white or light gray, it needs oiled. Cheers, Stein Bruch Minneapolis, MN -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Ford Subject: RV-List: FAB filter --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" Does the K&N filter that comes with Van's FAB kit come pre-oiled? I can't really tell if it is-it does not appear oily, but the element is not white either. What kind of oil can I use to be sure it is oiled? Should it be soaked in oil or sprayed? Dave Ford RV6 finishing ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:30 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan George McNutt wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" > > Subject: RV-List: EZ Pilot Digital Autopilot > > --> RV-List message posted by: Thomas Velvick > > I have been beta testing the EZ Pilot digital autopilot from Trio Avionics > (www.trioavionics.com). It replaces the Navaid > AP gyro with a new digital head that has a lot more capabilities (if you > dont already have a Navaid, they will also include a servo). > > Hi Tom > > Had a quick look at their web site and it looks like the one (essential to > me) thing it cannot do is provide turn & bank info. Here is a quote from the web site: "A convenient Display switch allows the pilot to read the Waypoint Designator, Ground Speed, Distance to Waypoint, Time to Waypoint, and a graphic Turn Coordinator." Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:58 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: FAB filter --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:22:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dford@michweb.net writes: > Does the K&N filter that comes with Van's FAB kit come pre-oiled? I can't > really tell if it is-it does not appear oily, but the element is not white > either. What kind of oil can I use to be sure it is oiled? Should it be > soaked in oil or sprayed? Yes, it is preoiled and the oil starts out pink but loses its color over time. In the filter box there should have been instructions for proper cleaning and reoiling with, surprise, K&N filter oil. It comes in both drip and spray dispensers and is readily available at motorcycle shops. Do not soak. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 642hrs)