Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:16 AM - Re: N85MD another RV leaves the nest (Lenleg@aol.com)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: How'd you prime inside of control rods? (Tom Gesele)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Prop Mounting/Flywheel... (Ed Zercher)
4. 06:39 AM - Test to see if my posts are making it to the list (Pat Perry)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: N85MD another RV leaves the nest (Charles Rowbotham)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: First Eng Start (Charles Rowbotham)
7. 07:23 AM - Dynon IFR (Doug Rozendaal)
8. 07:28 AM - Re:RV-6 slider windscreen (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: Canadian Inports (Kevin Horton)
10. 08:02 AM - Re: Upgrade to IFR (Kevin Horton)
11. 08:19 AM - Re: Dynon IFR (lucky macy)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: Canadian Inports (Tedd McHenry)
13. 08:55 AM - Re: Dynon IFR (Doug Rozendaal)
14. 08:59 AM - Re Canadian Imports (Elsa & Henry)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: Canadian Inports (Rob Prior)
16. 09:27 AM - Re: Re Canadian Imports (Scott Bilinski)
17. 09:29 AM - Re: Upgrade to IFR (Laird Owens)
18. 09:47 AM - Re: Export shipping costs was Canadian Imports (Charlie Kuss)
19. 09:59 AM - Preview Plans 4 & 7 (BBreckenridge@att.net)
20. 10:02 AM - Re: Dynon IFR (N13eer@aol.com)
21. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Oil cooler Port Interference (Mike Robertson)
22. 10:13 AM - Re: Re Canadian Imports (Tedd McHenry)
23. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil cooler Port Interference (HCRV6@aol.com)
24. 10:17 AM - Re: First Eng Start (HCRV6@aol.com)
25. 10:54 AM - Re: First Eng Start (John Mcmahon)
26. 11:02 AM - Re: Prop Mounting/Flywheel... (Tim Bryan)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Upgrade to IFR (Garry Legare)
28. 03:32 PM - Re: AOA (Alex Peterson)
29. 03:34 PM - tank questions (Wilder, Scott)
30. 05:28 PM - Re: Canadian Inports (Curt Reimer)
31. 05:49 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 08/15/03 (Wheeler North)
32. 06:01 PM - Re: Upgrade to IFR (James E. Clark)
33. 06:13 PM - Re: Oil cooler Port Interference (Duane Bentley)
34. 06:17 PM - Re: tank questions (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
35. 07:48 PM - Re:tank questions (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
36. 08:17 PM - RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? (Charlie & Tupper England)
37. 08:25 PM - Instruments for Sale before e-Bay (N223RV@aol.com)
38. 08:34 PM - Re: tank questions (Charlie Kuss)
39. 08:47 PM - August 2003 SoCal Newsletter (Dan Checkoway)
40. 10:41 PM - Re: BMA comments Re: Dynon (Terry Watson)
41. 11:00 PM - Re: RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? (Michael McGee)
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| Subject: | Re: N85MD another RV leaves the nest |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Congratulations .... let the fun begin !!!! Fly safe !!
Len Leggette RV-8A
N901LL
Greensboro, N.C.
121 hours !!
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| Subject: | Re: How'd you prime inside of control rods? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gesele" <tgesele@hotmail.com>
Got this trick from a local -8 builder... Take a spray gun with the primer
and and air gun, hold them side-by-side on one side of the tube and spray
both at the same time while rotating the tube (takes two people). Repeat on
the other side.. You can control the coverage to some degree by covering a
portion of the opposite side of the tube while spraying. Seemed to work
well...
Tom Gesele
RV-6 (Finish Kit)
>From: "Roger Evenson" <revenson@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: How'd you prime inside of control rods?
>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:05:15 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" <revenson@comcast.net>
>
>Any advice out there for priming the inside of control rods? To get good
>coverage, there must be a better way than hand pouring primer inside and
>rotating the tube.
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop Mounting/Flywheel... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Zercher" <ez@sensenich.com>
Kurt,
I hope that I am understanding your question. If I am, then you do seem to
have a problem.
You should have a minimum of 4 (sometimes 5 or 6 depending on the engine
setup) flange bushings protruding from your engine flange / starter ring
gear. These bushings should be about 3/16 to 1/4 inch long. I'm wondering if
you have something attached to the engine flange (other then the starter
ring gear) that is taking up the length of the bushings. You should give
Bart a call to confirm the engine flange setup, and then let me know how you
are doing.
Ed Zercher
Sensenich Propeller Manufacturing Company
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| Subject: | Test to see if my posts are making it to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
This is just a test to see if my posts are making it to the list. I haven't
seen any of them show up recently.
Do Not Archive
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
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| Subject: | Re: N85MD another RV leaves the nest |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Mark,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "MARK H DELANO" <delano60@email.msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: N85MD another RV leaves the nest
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:19:30 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "MARK H DELANO" <delano60@email.msn.com>
>
>Well it has happened again RV6A N85MD created another RV grin today. The
>first flight occured at 1530 hr from Centennial airport just south of
>Denver. The aircraft departed runway 10 circled the airport for .3hr and
>landed on runway 35R. The flight went off with out a hitch. After removing
>the cowel and a close inspection a second flight was completed with Keith
>Hughes at the controlls. The RV6A has an 0-320E2D with a Sterba wood prop.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Eng Start |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
John,
Sure feels good to finally start your engine!
Congratulations and we look forward to hearing of your future 1st flight.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: RV LIST <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: First Eng Start Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:16:06 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>
>Well after 10 years ,now have first Eng start Weeeeeeee..
>It's a bart Eng ..0/360 A1A C/S LSE right side VM-1000
>This old man be happy!!
>
> John McMahon (RV-6 )
> Gallatin,Tn
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I now have about 16 hours on my Dynon and flew my first IFR with it this
weekend. I was going to Minot AFB this weekend for Northern Neighbors Day
(airshow) and Friday morning the Metar was 1/2 mile Vis and clear. The
perfect day for a first IFR trip because the haze went all the way to 8000
ft, you could see the ground, barely, but absolutely no horizon. I took off
and hand flew the airplane for sometime and then turned on the Navaid.
Aside from my previous concern about the Dynon sucking you into the cockpit,
I now have another concern, The display is so precise, that I fear I will
become an EFIS cripple. Meaning I may not be able to fly steam gauges
anymore. I can so accurately keep the wings level, the heading almost never
wanders. Same true with pitch, The VSI behaves more like an IVSI and you
can find a pitch that will yield a certain rate of climb or decent and hold
that pitch perfectly and the Rate of climb (or decent) never wanders. What
a device.
By the time I got into ND the haze was burning off, and I started to notice
the device was indicating a slight ~3 deg roll to the left. I centered the
ball and checked my wingtips with the horizon and no doubt about it, it was
indicating a slight bank. I thought, well here we go, this thing won't hold
a calibration...... I tried slipping for a while and see if I could have
any effect on it, but when I centered up, it was still off about 3 deg. I
was not too concerned, I used to fly a 402 frieghter that had a horizon that
was off, about the same and I flew it that way for several years. I was the
airboss for the airshow, so I had bigger fish to fry and did not worry about
it. On Sunday, I hung around Minot with Warren Pietsch and we swapped
airplanes, and I flew his 180 hp clipped wing Taylorcraft. What a hoot!!!
He flew the RV and he really liked it as well.
Last night I left his place and climbing to altitude I noticed the Dynon
still had its bank error, so I decided I would have to send it in. I
leveled at 11,500 turned on the Navaid and settled in for a 440 nm trip.
(2+58 min, 22.5 gallons against a 10+ kt headwind, I love this airplane!)
Shortly after level off, I looked at the Dynon, and it was dead on..... Go
figure???? Anyone else seen any wandering on the Dynon? I will email them
and see what they say.
I am still thrilled with the Dynon and still very willing to fly IFR based
on the backups that I have on board.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re:RV-6 slider windscreen |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I would think you should follow Van's plans and put the aluminum clips in
place as Stein said.This adds hold-down power.
The fibreglas also should bond to the aluminum skin as well as the plexi.We
put pop rivets through the glas and aluminum layups at several points, between
layups so they are covered. You don't want the @#$%
& fibreglas to seperate
from the skin OR the plexi !!
With the acute angle between the plexi and the inside skin,you can't see the
clips.
We sanded with #40 grit, both the plexi and skin where the @#$
& fibreglas
goes, masking first of course.
I was helping my neighbor with his RV-6A slider. It has 8 hours & is now
being painted.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Inports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Canadian Listers
>
>I'm considering ordering some parts from Van's for delivery to my
>daughter who lives near Calgary. We are due to visit her soon and am
>thinking I might be able to make a useful saving. Could anyone let
>me know what the import costs likely to be on a small parcel from
>Van's into Canada i.e. Shipping, Duty, Sales Tax ect. Similarly on a
>Navaid. Thanks for you assistance.
>
>Neil Henderson RV9-A Final Stages. nr Aylesbury UK
>
Stay away from UPS, as they use a very expensive customs broker to
bring stuff across the border. Or at least they did five years ago,
when I got burned with brokerage fees that exceeded the cost of the
parts in the package. I haven't used them since. I use the US Post
Office almost exclusively. That way the Canadian Post Office does
the customs paperwork, and they only charge $5 Cdn. You can get the
US Post Office postage at:
http://ircalc.usps.gov/
There is no duty on aircraft parts. Federal Goods and Services Tax
will be 7%. Calgary is in Alberta, which has no provincial sales tax.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade to IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
AC 20-138 calls up a few tests over and above just doing approaches.
E.g. it calls for a check that the GPS maintains its Nav capability
during 30 deg bank turns. This is likely won't be a problem, unless
you have mounted the antenna in a strange location. It is definitely
worth taking a close look at AC 20-138.
The AC also calls for a check to be sure that the GPS signal
reception isn't affected when you transmit on a list of six specific
frequencies. These frequencies are of interest as the GPS signal
frequency is a harmonic of these six frequencies, so if there is a
installation problem with your unit, transmission on one or more of
those frequencies could cause the GPS to loss it signal. I did a
number of airworthiness flight tests on GPS installations back in the
days when the first IFR GPS units came out. I saw problems with GPS
signal loss when transmitting on VHF on about 10 - 20% of the
installations. Usually the problem was fixed by improving the
bonding between one of the antennae and the aircraft skin.
There is also a DME frequency that could cause problems, 108.9, on
the off chance that someone has a DME installation.
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
>Laird,
>
>If you haven't already, read AC 20-138. It gives you the guidance and the
>logbook entries to make. My interpretation was that you have to demonstrate
>to yourself that the thing works as advertised by shooting several
>approaches as described in the AC. Make the appropriate logbook entries,
>then you are good to go. If you call your local FISDO they might bring up a
>337 requirement. First, I don't think you need a FISDO signoff or DAR
>signoff or a 337, however, it might be considered a major alteration which
>would require a new test period. If it were me, I would check with the
>FISDO only to the extent that I might need a new test period for the
>alteration.
>
>Happy flying.
>
>Pat Hatch
>RV-4
>RV-6
>RV-7 QB (Building)
>Vero Beach, FL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Laird Owens" <owens@aerovironment.com>
>To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "SoCAL-RVlist"
><SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Upgrade to IFR
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>>
>> OK,
>>
>> So I went out and got my IFR ticket recently (in a C172...ugg). Now I
>> want to upgrade my RV so I can use it to pop thru the coastal
>> overcast once in a while and to stay current.
>>
>> I've ordered a new Garmin-430/CDI from John Stark, and that'll be
>> here in a couple of weeks. Putting in the 430 is no big deal (except
>> to my wallet).
>>
>> Aside from the 91.411 Altimeter system/altitude reporting equipment
>> check (I already have the 91.413 transponder check), the standard 30
>> day VOR check, and other equipment required for IFR flight (ie,
>> clock, gyros...) what else is required to use the 430 in the system?
>>
>> Do I just note the installation in the log book, then boldly launch
>> into the soup (of course that's not going to happen until I get
>> enough hood time and feel comfortable using the 430), or is there
>> some kind of DAR signoff, FSDO signoff, or some special verbiage for
>> the log book.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Laird RV-6 780 hrs
> > SoCal
>>
> >
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--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
what was to happen if you "reset" the dynon in flight? Can you do that.
Just "pull the plug" and turn it back on to "clear" it.
>From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Dynon IFR
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:22:28 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>I now have about 16 hours on my Dynon and flew my first IFR with it this
>weekend. I was going to Minot AFB this weekend for Northern Neighbors Day
>(airshow) and Friday morning the Metar was 1/2 mile Vis and clear. The
>perfect day for a first IFR trip because the haze went all the way to 8000
>ft, you could see the ground, barely, but absolutely no horizon. I took
>off
>and hand flew the airplane for sometime and then turned on the Navaid.
>Aside from my previous concern about the Dynon sucking you into the
>cockpit,
>I now have another concern, The display is so precise, that I fear I will
>become an EFIS cripple. Meaning I may not be able to fly steam gauges
>anymore. I can so accurately keep the wings level, the heading almost
>never
>wanders. Same true with pitch, The VSI behaves more like an IVSI and you
>can find a pitch that will yield a certain rate of climb or decent and hold
>that pitch perfectly and the Rate of climb (or decent) never wanders.
>What
>a device.
>
>
>By the time I got into ND the haze was burning off, and I started to notice
>the device was indicating a slight ~3 deg roll to the left. I centered the
>ball and checked my wingtips with the horizon and no doubt about it, it was
>indicating a slight bank. I thought, well here we go, this thing won't
>hold
>a calibration...... I tried slipping for a while and see if I could have
>any effect on it, but when I centered up, it was still off about 3 deg. I
>was not too concerned, I used to fly a 402 frieghter that had a horizon
>that
>was off, about the same and I flew it that way for several years. I was
>the
>airboss for the airshow, so I had bigger fish to fry and did not worry
>about
>it. On Sunday, I hung around Minot with Warren Pietsch and we swapped
>airplanes, and I flew his 180 hp clipped wing Taylorcraft. What a hoot!!!
>He flew the RV and he really liked it as well.
>
>Last night I left his place and climbing to altitude I noticed the Dynon
>still had its bank error, so I decided I would have to send it in. I
>leveled at 11,500 turned on the Navaid and settled in for a 440 nm trip.
>(2+58 min, 22.5 gallons against a 10+ kt headwind, I love this airplane!)
>Shortly after level off, I looked at the Dynon, and it was dead on..... Go
>figure???? Anyone else seen any wandering on the Dynon? I will email
>them
>and see what they say.
>
>I am still thrilled with the Dynon and still very willing to fly IFR based
>on the backups that I have on board.
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Inports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Stay away from UPS,
I agree. It took me 3 weeks to get same-day-shipped parts from Aircraft Spruce
into Canada using UPS. And it was expensive, too.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I did reboot it, and the problem persisted for about 1 flight hour total
over 2 days and several start ups.
Tailwinds,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon IFR
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> what was to happen if you "reset" the dynon in flight? Can you do that.
> Just "pull the plug" and turn it back on to "clear" it.
>
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| Subject: | Re Canadian Imports |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Kevin Horton beat me to the punch! I was about to send the same message about UPS
vice US / Canadian Post. I also got stung once, by UPS, by the high brokerage
fees but what really riled me, by the time their bill arrived, they charged
interest on the Ontario Sales Tax and the Federal Goods and Service funds they
paid! "Snail Mail" is the way to go!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Inports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Tedd McHenry wrote:
>>Stay away from UPS,
>
> I agree. It took me 3 weeks to get same-day-shipped parts from Aircraft Spruce
> into Canada using UPS. And it was expensive, too.
In contrast, i've used UPS for dozens of shipments and had no trouble at
all. The difference is that I have all of mine sent to a mail drop just
south of the border, pick them up myself, and hand-carry them across.
It lowers the shipping cost, removes the brokerage fee, and I don't have
to pay Canada Post $5 either. I figure it costs me $5 in gas to go pick
up a package when I need to.
I hear that the USPS priority services are cheaper than UPS, so maybe
using USPS and paying Canada Post their $5 handling fee is comparable to
UPS' rates without the brokerage fee.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Re Canadian Imports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Isn't there a aircraft supply in Canada? Or is there a benefit of bringing
it in from the US?
At 11:59 AM 8/18/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
>Kevin Horton beat me to the punch! I was about to send the same message
>about UPS vice US / Canadian Post. I also got stung once, by UPS, by the
>high brokerage fees but what really riled me, by the time their bill
>arrived, they charged interest on the Ontario Sales Tax and the Federal
>Goods and Service funds they paid! "Snail Mail" is the way to go!
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade to IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Thanks to all for the info.
I got a little hood time in the RV for the first time this weekend.
My safety pilot was in the airplane following behind me while I had a
map over my head on our way back from camping at Yellowstone. He got
a kick out of seeing me all over the sky.
I definitely need more practice! Sure glad I have an 2 axis AP in
the RV to help if it ever came to actual. One other thing I learned
is that the guy with the AP gets to lead the flight....
Laird
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
>When it comes to major alterations/changes read your Operating Limitations.
>They will/should tell you what to do. If you have older Limitations it
>will/should have something about informing your local FSDO prior to making
>any alterations/changes. With the newer Limitations it says that you just
>make the major alterations , make a lofbook entry, place the aircraft back
>into a minimum 5 hour test flight period, fly the test flight, sign off the
>logbook, and go on your merry way. In neither case will you need to do a
>337. A logbook entry is all thats required.
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>
>>From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Upgrade to IFR
>>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:19:45 -0400
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>>
>>Laird,
>>
>>If you haven't already, read AC 20-138. It gives you the guidance and the
>>logbook entries to make. My interpretation was that you have to
>>demonstrate
>>to yourself that the thing works as advertised by shooting several
>>approaches as described in the AC. Make the appropriate logbook entries,
>>then you are good to go. If you call your local FISDO they might bring up
>>a
>>337 requirement. First, I don't think you need a FISDO signoff or DAR
>>signoff or a 337, however, it might be considered a major alteration which
>>would require a new test period. If it were me, I would check with the
>>FISDO only to the extent that I might need a new test period for the
>>alteration.
>>
>>Happy flying.
>>
>>Pat Hatch
>>RV-4
>>RV-6
>>RV-7 QB (Building)
>>Vero Beach, FL
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Laird Owens" <owens@aerovironment.com>
>>To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "SoCAL-RVlist"
>><SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: RV-List: Upgrade to IFR
>>
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>> >
>> > OK,
>> >
>> > So I went out and got my IFR ticket recently (in a C172...ugg). Now I
>> > want to upgrade my RV so I can use it to pop thru the coastal
>> > overcast once in a while and to stay current.
>> >
>> > I've ordered a new Garmin-430/CDI from John Stark, and that'll be
>> > here in a couple of weeks. Putting in the 430 is no big deal (except
>> > to my wallet).
>> >
>> > Aside from the 91.411 Altimeter system/altitude reporting equipment
>> > check (I already have the 91.413 transponder check), the standard 30
>> > day VOR check, and other equipment required for IFR flight (ie,
>> > clock, gyros...) what else is required to use the 430 in the system?
>> >
>> > Do I just note the installation in the log book, then boldly launch
>> > into the soup (of course that's not going to happen until I get
>> > enough hood time and feel comfortable using the 430), or is there
>> > some kind of DAR signoff, FSDO signoff, or some special verbiage for
>> > the log book.
>> >
>> > Any help would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Laird RV-6 780 hrs
>> > SoCal
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Export shipping costs was Canadian Imports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Listers,
Just a note for our Australian & Kiwi friends. Todd Silver of Todd's Canopies http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ stopped by to check the progress of my 8A last week. During our conversation, he told me that he recently shipped RV-8 canopies to both Australia and Canada. He was amazed that shipping and duty totaled less for the Australian customer! So Aussies cheer up! You don't ALWAYS pay the highest shipping.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>>
>>Canadian Listers
>>
>>I'm considering ordering some parts from Van's for delivery to my
>>daughter who lives near Calgary. We are due to visit her soon and am
>>thinking I might be able to make a useful saving. Could anyone let
>>me know what the import costs likely to be on a small parcel from
>>Van's into Canada i.e. Shipping, Duty, Sales Tax ect. Similarly on a
>>Navaid. Thanks for you assistance.
>>
>>Neil Henderson RV9-A Final Stages. nr Aylesbury UK
>>
>
>Stay away from UPS, as they use a very expensive customs broker to
>bring stuff across the border. Or at least they did five years ago,
>when I got burned with brokerage fees that exceeded the cost of the
>parts in the package. I haven't used them since. I use the US Post
>Office almost exclusively. That way the Canadian Post Office does
>the customs paperwork, and they only charge $5 Cdn. You can get the
>US Post Office postage at:
>
>http://ircalc.usps.gov/
>
>There is no duty on aircraft parts. Federal Goods and Services Tax
>will be 7%. Calgary is in Alberta, which has no provincial sales tax.
>--
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>Ottawa, Canada
>http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
>
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| Subject: | Preview Plans 4 & 7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Listers;
I've put on EBAY a couple of brand new preview plans sets that I won't be using.
IF you or
someone you know is interested, go to Item#2428614071 for the RV-7/7a or Item#2428615060
for the RV-4.
Do Not Archive
Thanks!
Bruce Breckenridge
Clackamas, OR
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--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Doug,
Have you loaded the latest software? Version 1.04 has a fix that prevent roll
errors. It is on the Dynon web sight.
Alan Kritzman
Cedar Rapids, IA
RV-8 85 hours, 25 with the Dynon.
I started to noticethe device was indicating a slight ~3 deg roll to the left.
I centered theball and checked my wingtips with the horizon and no doubt about
it, it wasindicating a slight bank. I thought, well here we go, this thing won't
holda calibration......
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| Subject: | Re: Oil cooler Port Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Duane,
There is an alternate location for the oil out port on the accessory case
right next to the oil cooler return line. Look on your accessaory case
right next to where the oil cooler hose return port is. There should be
another plugged port right there next to the breather port. That is the
alternate oil cooler feed port. Take the plug out and screw it into the oil
cooler feed port between the magnetos. That should solve the problem.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <RV-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil cooler Port Interference
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:15:57 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
>
>Just a further clarification.
>
>
>I had one photo sent to me from a builder showing the installation of a
>45 degree fitting oil out-fitting on the accessory case, pointing
>towards the 7 o'clock location, aft looking forward. He is correct from
>my perspective, and I really appreciate the fast response. This appears
>to be the only orientation that allows any exit of the line to clear the
>attachments (mags etc.) on the back of the accessory case. However,
>whether the 45 degree line is on the fitting at the engine or (the other
>suggestion) on the end of the tube (which the attaches to a straight
>fitting), the real problem in that area is getting by the prop governor
>bracket. I have the new Jihostroj governor installed. It has a
>different flange location than that of the McCauley governor, and
>requires a different governor bracket. I had a RV8 pilot make me a
>close approximation to the bracket he is using with the same governor,
>but my bracket doesn't turn aft soon enough, and blocks a part of the
>very limited "airspace" needed to run the oil line out towards the left
>side. Apparently he made his fit, or else he has a different vintage
>engine configuration.
>
>
>I ordered Van's bracket for this governor tonight, and will see how it
>fits rather than start to chop up and re weld my bracket. It will take
>a good week to 10 days for it to get here, and then I'll have to remove
>the bracket and see what I can fit in.
>
>
>I just hate going backwards when I'm so close to the end.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Duane
>
>
>RV6 Finishing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Canadian Imports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Scott Bilinski wrote:
> Isn't there a aircraft supply in Canada?
Sure, there are lots of places you can buy from. I'm not knocking any of them,
but they don't have the inventory that Aircraft Spruce has. If I'm ordering a
common part I use Lindair in Richmond (as for example today, where I'm buying
some SCAT tubing and spark plugs), or Demel in Penticton. But for less common
parts they will likely only have to order them in for you from the U.S.,
anyway.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Oil cooler Port Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/17/03 5:01:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dbentley@fuse.net writes:
<< The recommended port from the engine to the oil cooler is the one
between the two mags. So I removed the oil filter, installed the
straight #8 nipple, attached the hose from it to the oil cooler, and
tried to reinstall the oil filter. It won't fit! The lip of the filter
(new as received with the new 0-360 A1A engine) interferes with the hose
fitting.
>>
I just installed mine a few weeks ago. Used a 45 degree pipe to AN fitting
in the engine (O-360 A1A) and did not have to remove the oil filter. It's a
little difficult to get a wrench in there to tighten the fitting in the engine
but otherwise no problem. I pointed the fitting down and used much shorter
hoses than Van shows on RV-7/9 engine install dwgs.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: First Eng Start |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Congratulations John, guess I won't catch up to you now.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: First Eng Start |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
Harry
Well not really !!!!But I must say that when ya have that kind of $$$$
invested you worry a little....
Thanks
John
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>Congratulations John, guess I won't catch up to you now.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, firewall forward
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop Mounting/Flywheel... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
Not sure if I read the original post correctly, but the 2 bushings that came
on my bart engine were merely packing to keep the ring gear on the engine.
Tim Bryan
RV-6
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop Mounting/Flywheel...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Zercher" <ez@sensenich.com>
Kurt,
I hope that I am understanding your question. If I am, then you do seem to
have a problem.
You should have a minimum of 4 (sometimes 5 or 6 depending on the engine
setup) flange bushings protruding from your engine flange / starter ring
gear. These bushings should be about 3/16 to 1/4 inch long. I'm wondering if
you have something attached to the engine flange (other then the starter
ring gear) that is taking up the length of the bushings. You should give
Bart a call to confirm the engine flange setup, and then let me know how you
are doing.
Ed Zercher
Sensenich Propeller Manufacturing Company
.
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade to IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Laird,
You sure got that right. Tom Deide (Beautiful RV8) and I + wives just
flew up to Vancouver Island this week end. Since I've done this trip
before I lead. It was amazing how much his altitude wandered, and he's a
good stick. The little Altrac button is the greatest toy yet. Speaking
of toys the Dynon people just called, my D10 shipps tomorrow, order #
454, ordered on July 22, just before Oskosh maddness. They initialy
quoted a mid October ship date. Are people getting cold feet or what.
Casper
Laird Owens wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>Thanks to all for the info.
>
>I got a little hood time in the RV for the first time this weekend.
>My safety pilot was in the airplane following behind me while I had a
>map over my head on our way back from camping at Yellowstone. He got
>a kick out of seeing me all over the sky.
>
>I definitely need more practice! Sure glad I have an 2 axis AP in
>the RV to help if it ever came to actual. One other thing I learned
>is that the guy with the AP gets to lead the flight....
>
>Laird
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>>
>>When it comes to major alterations/changes read your Operating Limitations.
>>They will/should tell you what to do. If you have older Limitations it
>>will/should have something about informing your local FSDO prior to making
>>any alterations/changes. With the newer Limitations it says that you just
>>make the major alterations , make a lofbook entry, place the aircraft back
>>into a minimum 5 hour test flight period, fly the test flight, sign off the
>>logbook, and go on your merry way. In neither case will you need to do a
>>337. A logbook entry is all thats required.
>>
>>Mike Robertson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Upgrade to IFR
>>>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:19:45 -0400
>>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>>>
>>>Laird,
>>>
>>>If you haven't already, read AC 20-138. It gives you the guidance and the
>>>logbook entries to make. My interpretation was that you have to
>>>demonstrate
>>>to yourself that the thing works as advertised by shooting several
>>>approaches as described in the AC. Make the appropriate logbook entries,
>>>then you are good to go. If you call your local FISDO they might bring up
>>>a
>>>337 requirement. First, I don't think you need a FISDO signoff or DAR
>>>signoff or a 337, however, it might be considered a major alteration which
>>>would require a new test period. If it were me, I would check with the
>>>FISDO only to the extent that I might need a new test period for the
>>>alteration.
>>>
>>>Happy flying.
>>>
>>>Pat Hatch
>>>RV-4
>>>RV-6
>>>RV-7 QB (Building)
>>>Vero Beach, FL
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Laird Owens" <owens@aerovironment.com>
>>>To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "SoCAL-RVlist"
>>><SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Subject: RV-List: Upgrade to IFR
>>>
>>>
>>> > --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>>> >
>>> > OK,
>>> >
>>> > So I went out and got my IFR ticket recently (in a C172...ugg). Now I
>>> > want to upgrade my RV so I can use it to pop thru the coastal
>>> > overcast once in a while and to stay current.
>>> >
>>> > I've ordered a new Garmin-430/CDI from John Stark, and that'll be
>>> > here in a couple of weeks. Putting in the 430 is no big deal (except
>>> > to my wallet).
>>> >
>>> > Aside from the 91.411 Altimeter system/altitude reporting equipment
>>> > check (I already have the 91.413 transponder check), the standard 30
>>> > day VOR check, and other equipment required for IFR flight (ie,
>>> > clock, gyros...) what else is required to use the 430 in the system?
>>> >
>>> > Do I just note the installation in the log book, then boldly launch
>>> > into the soup (of course that's not going to happen until I get
>>> > enough hood time and feel comfortable using the 430), or is there
>>> > some kind of DAR signoff, FSDO signoff, or some special verbiage for
>>> > the log book.
>>> >
>>> > Any help would be appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > Laird RV-6 780 hrs
>>> > SoCal
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
(This thread is regarding high altitude vs low altitude take-offs)
> >If you do let it fly off in a three point attitude, it
> should do so at
> >the same indicated airspeed in either case.
Not true.... keep in mind that the ANGLE of climb at altitude will be
much less (less power), both initially, but more importantly, after one
loses ground effect. Even if the IAS is identical, the angle of climb
will be less, and if one puts the nose at the same point on the horizon
as at sea level (pitch angle), the IAS will drop rapidly. The pitch
angle during climbs needs to be less at altitude, even when the IAS is
the same.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 341 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott" <SWilder@LOWEENTERPRISES.com>
I am building my -4 tanks, got three quick ones:
1. How to cover the tooling holes in the end ribs.
2. On the inverted tank, is there any reason to install the access
plate in the second bay with the sender, or leave the plate in the first
bay for clean out and install the sender in the second bay directly to
the baffle?
3. How to terminate the vent line in the outboard bay, bend down then
up into the highest point, how close to the skin, secured in any way at
the end?
Scott Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Inports |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
I second Kevin on this one. USPS/Canada post is the best value, unless you
need it overnight or it's too heavy. Usually takes around five business days
enroute.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canadian Inports
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
<neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >Canadian Listers
> >
> >I'm considering ordering some parts from Van's for delivery to my
> >daughter who lives near Calgary. We are due to visit her soon and am
> >thinking I might be able to make a useful saving. Could anyone let
> >me know what the import costs likely to be on a small parcel from
> >Van's into Canada i.e. Shipping, Duty, Sales Tax ect. Similarly on a
> >Navaid. Thanks for you assistance.
> >
> >Neil Henderson RV9-A Final Stages. nr Aylesbury UK
> >
>
> Stay away from UPS, as they use a very expensive customs broker to
> bring stuff across the border. Or at least they did five years ago,
> when I got burned with brokerage fees that exceeded the cost of the
> parts in the package. I haven't used them since. I use the US Post
> Office almost exclusively. That way the Canadian Post Office does
> the customs paperwork, and they only charge $5 Cdn. You can get the
> US Post Office postage at:
>
> http://ircalc.usps.gov/
>
> There is no duty on aircraft parts. Federal Goods and Services Tax
> will be 7%. Calgary is in Alberta, which has no provincial sales tax.
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 08/15/03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Time: 09:25:59 AM PST US
From: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Vents
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>My only thought on this is that it is very likely to get a hole where
it
>comes in through the wing lightening holes and into the fuselage.....
Mine has been in place for over 700 hours. It is visible at the wing
root during conditional inspection and shows no signs of wear. It
doesn't move much. Protect it as it comes through the rib and it will
last a long time.
It works fine providing air for the back seat. It'll blow your wig off
if you don't have your headset on.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
DAMM
I wondered what happened to that wig???
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
How about thinking the potential positive side of it ...
They **MIGHT** be ramping up production and catching up on the backlog. :-)
Also aren't you happier that it turned out in the calendar order it did? :-)
I don't think ANYBODY is getting cold feet over this unit.
James
... just an opinion
<<<SNIP>>>
> good stick. The little Altrac button is the greatest toy yet. Speaking
> of toys the Dynon people just called, my D10 shipps tomorrow, order #
> 454, ordered on July 22, just before Oskosh maddness. They initialy
> quoted a mid October ship date. Are people getting cold feet or what.
> Casper
>
> La
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil cooler Port Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
Thanks to all of you who sent suggestions.
I removed the prop governor cable bracket, and with the oil filter off,
had reasonable access to the area of need. After installing a standard
45 degree steel fitting into the oil out port underneath the oil filter
pad, and orienting it in just the right direction, there is just enough
room for the #8 oil line and fitting to connect and run to the left side
of the engine as several of you had stated. It takes a couple of crow
foot wrenches to get in there and tighten up the fittings.
However, there is no room for the governor bracket that I had previously
fabricated for the Jihostroj governor (used for the MT propeller - or in
my case the Whirlwind prop).
This governor mounts to the four bolt engine flange, and that is the
only set of bracket attachment flanges, unlike the McCauley governor,
which has a second, more aft head on the end of it's body, with about
nine screws to which the Van's design McCauley bracket mounts.
I went ahead and ordered the Van's design bracket for the Jihostroj
governor and will let you know how it fits. I've got other work I can
do, rather than redesign my own bracket at this point.
In the mean time, it's back to final riveting of the engine baffles and
the last of the work under the cowl.
Duane Bentley
RV6 Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: tank questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Question 2
I mounted mine direct to the rear baffle in the second bay. RV6
Phil
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| Subject: | Re:tank questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
1. I used 3/16 rivets doped with Pro-Seal to close the tooling holes.
2. I put the sender in the second bay and left the inspection hole in the
inboard rib. You might have to get in there sometime. I have removed tanks and
they aren't as tough as you would think. Just be GENEROUS with Pro-Seal so you
don't have to go in there.
3.I ran the vent line out to the filler cap ring and had a tab there,anchored
with one of the cap ring rivets,to secure the line against the tank top. I
doped the tube NEAR the end with Pro-Seal to hold it against vibration. Keep
the end open and clear !!!
I once forgot to tighten the nut on the vent line at the tank end rib,that's
how I got experience removing a tank.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Has anyone out there added leading edge aux fuel tanks to his -4? Not
the tubes or tip tanks, but actual leading edge tanks. If you have done
this successfully, please contact me off list.
Thanks,
Charlie
cengland@netdoor.com
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| Subject: | Instruments for Sale before e-Bay |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
I have the following stuff for sale to the group before they hit e-Bay. All
items have about 50 hours of use on them unless noted otherwise. I can
forward pictures to serious buyers and if you are not happy with the items, I will
refund the purchase price (less shipping) if returned to me in the same
condition within 2 weeks.
Falcon G-Meter
model GM510-2
-5G to +10G
2 1/4 size
purchased brand new, used 50 hours
looks and works like new - $190
Van's sells for $228
I have the calibration sheet
Airborne Vacuum regulator
model 2H3-12
S/N 2AU
purchased brand new, used 50 hours
looks and works like new - $300
Spruce sells for $599!
Airborne Vacuum Pump
model 82-50122
S/N 8267
This is an used pump when I received it, but it was on my RV-4 and works
excellent.
Looks rough, works great
$50
Quartz Electric Aircraft Clock
2 1/4" size
Spruce part # 10-22812
purchased brand new, used 50 hours
looks and works like new - $60
Spruce sells for $78
I have the original instruction sheet
Vacuum system filter
Airborne part number D9-18-1
purchased brand new, used 50 hours
looks and works like new - $20
Ameri-King Encoder
Model AK-350
purchased brand new, used 50 hours
includes directions, wire harness, mounting plate
looks and works like brand new - $120
Spruce sells for $151
Varga 1" Suction Gauge
purchased brand new, used 50 hours
Spruce sells for $60
looks and works like new - $45
Cageable Gullwing Gyro Horizon (attitude indicator)
model A 57436-1A
purchased brand new from Spruce, used 50 hours
Spruce sells for $419
looks and works like new - $350
SigmaTek Directional Gyro
Yellow tagged
Model 4000B-30
Very nice condition, $310
Please let me know if anyone is interested, if not they'll be on e-Bay by the
weekend.
Thanks for looking!
-Mike Kraus
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| Subject: | Re: tank questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Scott,
I filled the tooling holes with AN426AD6 rivets. AN470AD6 rivets would also work.
Cover the rivets inside and out with Proseal after you've set them. I've built
4 fuel tanks and so far, none have leaked.
I'd leave the access plate in the inboard rib. You will eventually need to replace
the flop tube in your inverted tank. That would be an extremely difficult
job without an access port.
I simply bent the tube up to get it very close to the top skin at it's outboard
end. I fabricated a P type clamp per my RV-8A fuel tank drawing. This was riveted
to the tank where the filler neck is riveted on. I've got some photos if
you'd like to see them. Contact me off list.
Charlie Kuss
RV-8A cockpit systems stuff
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott" <SWilder@LOWEENTERPRISES.com>
>
>I am building my -4 tanks, got three quick ones:
>
>1. How to cover the tooling holes in the end ribs.
>
>2. On the inverted tank, is there any reason to install the access
>plate in the second bay with the sender, or leave the plate in the first
>bay for clean out and install the sender in the second bay directly to
>the baffle?
>
>3. How to terminate the vent line in the outboard bay, bend down then
>up into the highest point, how close to the skin, secured in any way at
>the end?
>
>
>Scott Wilder
>
>
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| Subject: | August 2003 SoCal Newsletter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
For your reading pleasure, Linas just published another fine SoCal
Newsletter:
http://www.rvproject.com/SoCalNewsletters/August2003.pdf
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | BMA comments re: Dynon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Don,
As a Blue Mountain EFIS/one customer, there are a couple of things I must
disagree with in your post. Unfortunately, I must agree with some of the
more significant criticism. If I had talked to Malcolm before I bought, my
conscience probably would not have allowed me to buy Blue Mountain, even
though I think they have an outstanding product for a reasonable price.
Throughout my years in business, I have refused to do business with people
or companies who do a significant amount of running down their competition.
I think it is at best bad form and at worst unethical. Malcolm, the new
general manager as of about a year ago trash talks like a professional
basketball player. I think it's disgusting.
My disagreements with your post: First, the "$600 a year for code updates,
which Dynon makes available for free" is very misleading. (Lets be clear
that I am talking about the EFIS/one, which I expect to take delivery on
within a month.) It's $695 a year, but that's for "system software release
as they become available, access to our engineers, 3D terrain and
navigational data and extended 1 year warranty. High Resolution Continental
U S Data Only. Required with initial purchase of the EFIS/One but service
starts when you are ready." I had always thought of that as a chart service
provided on a regular schedule, with any software updates included on the
same DVD. Dynon isn't in the business of providing charts, let alone high
and low altitude charts plus VFR charts plus terrain data at high resolution
for the entire US.
When you talk about Blue Mountain, especially in comparison to Dynon, you
must be clear if you are talking about the EFIS/one or the EFIS/lite,
although the Lite is getting a lot of the features being developed for the
EFIS/one. The EFIS/one has as standard a display of 16 engine gauges and a
GPS moving map, an H.S.I. with glide slope, ground speed, wind speed and
direction, and a G meter and I'm sure I have forgotten something. I don't
believe Dynon has any of these, and you will never hear me knock Dynon. I
think they are an excellent company with an excellent product. But they are
not building a screen with the above features. I believe the BM EFIS/one
includes everything Dynon does PLUS the above, and I haven't yet mentioned
synthetic vision, where you see the profile of the terrain you are flying
toward on the Attitude Indicator, in red if it's at your altitude or above,
as it is on the moving map.
If you want to see what their customers think of their product and get a
feel for how quickly the company responds to suggestions and requests, go to
http://bluemountainavionics.com and locate the discussion list on the INFO
button. I get the idea that like Dynon, they are smart people doing great
things. They are a little more flamboyant, perhaps, and at least one of
them sure knows how to piss off potential customers.
Terry
RV-8A #80729 finishing
Aero Sport Power IO-360-B1B, Blue Mountain EFIS/one, Proprietary Software
AoA and a Van's Air Force T shirt
* RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" don_mei@hotmail.com
*
(1) The statement by a Blue Mountain representative that Dynon can give
false readings durring wind shear is one of the most rediculous things I 've
ever heard.
2) Bad Bad sales tactic to slam your competition. You should instead
stress your product. Indicitive of a generally COCKY attitude taken by Blue
Mountain. Like they know something others don't. Humility is the better
attitude when going places that others have not. (i.e. leading the way with
reasonably priced efis) BMA has an excellent,
maybe superior, product, but they don't seem to approach things with the
somber methodology you would want someone who builds the device you will use
to keep yourself rightside up, should have.
Early BM adopters spoke of situations where there was problems and the
factory didn't admit there were problems.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Yes someone has and I'm trying to remember his name. Purple RV-4, saw it
at Osh last year. He flew it to Argentina or Chile, Fin del Mundo (end of
the world) I think. Claudio ?? T..? Someone help me out here... He's in
Florida.
Mike
At 22:16 2003-08-18 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Has anyone out there added leading edge aux fuel tanks to his -4? Not
>the tubes or tip tanks, but actual leading edge tanks. If you have done
>this successfully, please contact me off list.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charlie
>cengland@netdoor.com
>
>do not archive
>
>
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