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1. 04:16 AM - Re: BMA comments Re: Dynon (Dana Overall)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: Export shipping costs was Canadian Imports (doug)
3. 06:19 AM - FAB Horizontal - snorkle (D. Jones)
4. 06:36 AM - MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? (Finn Lassen)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? (Elsa & Henry)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru (Dan Checkoway)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: Re:RV-6 slider windscreen (DWENSING@aol.com)
9. 10:02 AM - Carb tooling (FlashandCo@aol.com)
10. 10:09 AM - Re: Upgrade to IFR (Garry Legare)
11. 10:20 AM - Re: MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru (Scott Bilinski)
12. 10:20 AM - Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (DvdBock@aol.com)
13. 10:32 AM - Wheel pant screws? (Kevin Horton)
14. 10:40 AM - Re: Re:RV-6 slider windscreen (Sam Buchanan)
15. 11:01 AM - Re: Wheel pant screws? (Garry Legare)
16. 11:06 AM - SFO area navigation (Randy Lervold)
17. 11:06 AM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (Dana Overall)
18. 11:15 AM - GPS Only Navigation (Scott Bilinski)
19. 11:31 AM - Re: Wheel pant screws? (Pat Hatch)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: Wheel pant screws? (Rob Miller)
21. 11:50 AM - Your details ()
22. 11:52 AM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (Laird Owens)
23. 11:58 AM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (Andrew Barker)
24. 12:01 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (Rob Miller)
25. 12:09 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (JusCash@aol.com)
26. 12:34 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Rob Prior)
27. 01:03 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (RV3)
28. 01:16 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (McFarland, Randy)
29. 01:19 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Scott Bilinski)
30. 01:19 PM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (Laird Owens)
31. 01:28 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (Steve Allison)
32. 01:59 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Tedd McHenry)
33. 01:59 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Rob Prior)
34. 02:12 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Greg Young)
35. 02:27 PM - Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Scott Bilinski)
36. 02:35 PM - Re: Canadian Inports (Jim Oke)
37. 02:35 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Joshua Siler)
38. 02:38 PM - Re: Wheel pant screws? (Randy Lervold)
39. 02:38 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Scott Bilinski)
40. 02:57 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Laird Owens)
41. 03:09 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Ed Anderson)
42. 03:11 PM - Re: Your details (WALTER KERR)
43. 03:25 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Dan Checkoway)
44. 03:27 PM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (Dana Overall)
45. 03:36 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (Christopher Stone)
46. 03:59 PM - Re: Your details (david.keck@amd.com)
47. 04:42 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (Jerry Springer)
48. 05:18 PM - Re: Wheel pant screws? (Kevin Horton)
49. 05:32 PM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (Larry Bowen)
50. 06:45 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (C. Rabaut)
51. 06:48 PM - Fw: GPS Only Navigation (C. Rabaut)
52. 08:21 PM - "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels ()
53. 08:29 PM - Re: Carb tooling (Charlie Kuss)
54. 08:41 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Ed Holyoke)
55. 08:42 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Michael T. Ice)
56. 08:51 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (N223RV@aol.com)
57. 09:18 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (Charlie Kuss)
58. 09:39 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Garry Legare)
59. 09:40 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (Stein Bruch)
60. 09:56 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (kempthornes)
61. 10:05 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (Randy Lervold)
62. 10:07 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (WPAerial@aol.com)
63. 10:11 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (WPAerial@aol.com)
64. 10:15 PM - New latch system for Tip-ups ()
65. 10:19 PM - issue riveting firewall hinge (Dan Checkoway)
66. 10:27 PM - Re: SFO area navigation (Randy Lervold)
67. 10:32 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Stein Bruch)
68. 10:41 PM - Re: New latch system for Tip-ups (Jerry Springer)
69. 11:00 PM - Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum - long but important. (Amit Dagan)
70. 11:54 PM - how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? (Will & Lynda Allen)
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| Subject: | BMA comments re: Dynon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Just thinking out loud here but I see Blue Mountain having two problems.
When I talked with BMA about the EFIS light their comment was, and I quote,
"We do the same thing as Dynon........but better, we have released ours".
Course it didn't work worth a dime then. That may well have changed since.
That business practice totally turned me off, I couldn't forget about them
fast enough. BMA will have business problems competing with Dynon.
I also believe, when Grand Rapids Technologies comes out with with their
Horizon Series 1, to go along with their well documented and proven engine
monitering system, BMA's EFIS One is going to take a major hit. The mere
fact that TruTrack is partnering their technology with Grand Rapids is a
problem for BMA. TruTrack has just about put the STEC 20 and 30 out of use
for experimental and done the same thing to Navaid. The marraige of
technology will allow the "climb to" function of the Grand Rapids unit to
communicate with TruTrack. This carries the TruTrack well past being a wing
leveler and/or altitude hold.
Blue Mountain is now competing with Dynon on their lower end unit, probably
a bad business environment at this time, and will soon have major (I believe
it will be more than just major) competition on their bread and butter unit.
BMA, "we have released ours", Dynon, "We lied, we thought it was going be
released last year and we did not do it so in essence, we lied. We will not
release it until it is right". Grand Rapids, "Dynon got it to work, we
don't know how, but they got it to work". My opinion (oh, man everyone has
one of those) is Grand Rapids is as top notch as they come. BMA is going to
have a tough row to hoe with both of their units.
I don't intend to start a flame war, I am not bad mouthing BMA, just
pointing out some thoughts.
BTW, got my Dynon and have been hangar flying on a continual basis. This
thing is laid out so well, it is obvious a large quantitiy of common sense
went into this design. Thanks Dynon
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
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| Subject: | Re: Export shipping costs was Canadian Imports |
--> RV-List message posted by: doug <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I agree, delivery to Australia is remarkably good both pricewise (except
via UPS) and timewise. Delivery via parcel post is usually 5 working days.
I once made the mistake of telling Vans I needed something urgently. It
arrived no sooner by UPS and then I received a huge invoice from UPS for
customs clearance charges several weeks later. A $60 shipment ended up
costing approximately $300 (USD) including local G/S Tax by the end of
the event. UPS burned their bridges with me that day.
Doug Gray
Sydney.
Charlie Kuss wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
>
> Listers,
> Just a note for our Australian & Kiwi friends. Todd Silver of Todd's Canopies http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ stopped by to check the progress of my 8A last week. During our conversation, he told me that he recently shipped RV-8 canopies to both Australia and Canada. He was amazed that shipping and duty totaled less for the Australian customer! So Aussies cheer up! You don't ALWAYS pay the highest shipping.
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>>>
>>>Canadian Listers
>>>
>>>I'm considering ordering some parts from Van's for delivery to my
>>>daughter who lives near Calgary. We are due to visit her soon and am
>>>thinking I might be able to make a useful saving. Could anyone let
>>>me know what the import costs likely to be on a small parcel from
>>>Van's into Canada i.e. Shipping, Duty, Sales Tax ect. Similarly on a
>>>Navaid. Thanks for you assistance.
>>>
>>>Neil Henderson RV9-A Final Stages. nr Aylesbury UK
>>>
>>
>>Stay away from UPS, as they use a very expensive customs broker to
>>bring stuff across the border. Or at least they did five years ago,
>>when I got burned with brokerage fees that exceeded the cost of the
>>parts in the package. I haven't used them since. I use the US Post
>>Office almost exclusively. That way the Canadian Post Office does
>>the customs paperwork, and they only charge $5 Cdn. You can get the
>>US Post Office postage at:
>>
>>http://ircalc.usps.gov/
>>
>>There is no duty on aircraft parts. Federal Goods and Services Tax
>>will be 7%. Calgary is in Alberta, which has no provincial sales tax.
>>--
>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>>
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| Subject: | FAB Horizontal - snorkle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D. Jones" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
Group: I have a IO360-A1B6 using Vans horizontal
induction "snorkle". Should there be a gasket between
the bendix injector pump housing and the fiberglass
snorkle? If so, what's should it be made from?
Should I have seen this with the snorkle or is this
something that I should get from Bendix?
TIA,
Doug -7A finish, fwf, baffles
http://www.oncloud7.com/rv7.htm
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow Listers,
I'm looking for any documentation (photos / descriptions) of anyone that is using/installed
the MT prop governor.
I need to find out where the best location for the cable to come through the firewall.
I'm currently in the process of figuring out where stuff goes on the firewall and
this is one of the items......
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
Installing the grounding block and don't want it in the way of something later!
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finnlassen@netzero.net>
Claudio Tonnini. Purple Passion. Throught he was in New Jersey.
Finn
Michael McGee wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
>
>Yes someone has and I'm trying to remember his name. Purple RV-4, saw it
>at Osh last year. He flew it to Argentina or Chile, Fin del Mundo (end of
>the world) I think. Claudio ?? T..? Someone help me out here... He's in
>Florida.
>Mike
>
>At 22:16 2003-08-18 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>>
>>Has anyone out there added leading edge aux fuel tanks to his -4? Not
>>the tubes or tip tanks, but actual leading edge tanks. If you have done
>>this successfully, please contact me off list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Charlie
>>cengland@netdoor.com
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>>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 leading edge aux tanks? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>Yes someone has and I'm trying to remember his name. Purple RV-4, saw it
at Osh last year. He flew it to Argentina or Chile, Fin del Mundo (end of
the world) I think. Claudio ?? T..? Someone help me out here... He's in
>Florida.
I Believe his name is Antonio Tonini. Being fluent in Spanish we chatted
when I saw his purple RV at one of Fulton's (Oswego Co airport, NY) RV
Forums a few years back. I seem to remember details of his trip were
published in an RVator a few years ago.
Cheers!----Henry Hore--C-GELS,
RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Re: MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I followed Van's plans to the T when drilling firewall pass-throughs for
governor and mixture cables. This is on the RV-7. Anyway, I'm almost
positive that Van hasn't updated the plans for the new Jihostroj governor
and bracket, which is a different animal than the old heavy McCauley
governor.
If I were to do it again, I would locate the prop governor cable
pass-through as far to the left of the firewall as possible, because it
really does end up needing to turn sharply and pass parallel to the firewall
about 1" in front of the firewall. The more left you punch through, the
more gentle curve you can set up.
Photos here: http://www.rvproject.com/20030722.html
The photos show how sharp a turn the cable has to make (impossible without
eyeball fittings, I would think) to get where it needs to go.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Fellow Listers,
>
> I'm looking for any documentation (photos / descriptions) of anyone that
is using/installed the MT prop governor.
>
> I need to find out where the best location for the cable to come through
the firewall.
>
> I'm currently in the process of figuring out where stuff goes on the
firewall and this is one of the items......
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
> Installing the grounding block and don't want it in the way of something
later!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:RV-6 slider windscreen |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 8/18/03 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Oldsfolks@aol.com writes:
> you should follow Van's plans and put the aluminum clips in
> place as Stein said.This adds hold-down power.
>
Does anyone have a picture of these "clips" on there web site?
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--> RV-List message posted by: FlashandCo@aol.com
Listers,
I have a MA4-5 carburetor that I plan to use on my 0360-A1A, but I received the
carb used, not tagged. I consider it an unknown and have decided to rebuild/overhaul
it. I bought the Precision Service Manual and the Consolidated overhaul
kit from AC$. In looking at the manual I see the need for tooling, especially
to pull the throttle shaft bushings and install new ones. Does anyone out
there have a set of tooling they would be willing to loan (or rent). Tool P/N's
are M-94, M-105, M-105A, M-122, M-516. Thanks for any help.
Bob Gordon
Dover DE
RV6 finishing up on FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade to IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
James,
Geez guy read my post again, I said are people getting cold feet . I
didn't say I was getting cold feet. When Julie asked if I wanted to move
up the line I would have just said NO. In over 25 years of experimental
aircraft building and flying I've done more than my fair share of "Beta
Testing", most recently the Whirlwind 150 propellor. You need to "chill
dude".
Casper
James E. Clark wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
>How about thinking the potential positive side of it ...
>
>They **MIGHT** be ramping up production and catching up on the backlog. :-)
>
>Also aren't you happier that it turned out in the calendar order it did? :-)
>
>I don't think ANYBODY is getting cold feet over this unit.
>
>James
>... just an opinion
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I mount the govenor cable as far to the right (facing FW) with the
Jihostroj govenor. Long story short I had to add a 2" extension, available
at ACS from 2-8 inches long.
At 09:12 AM 8/19/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>I followed Van's plans to the T when drilling firewall pass-throughs for
>governor and mixture cables. This is on the RV-7. Anyway, I'm almost
>positive that Van hasn't updated the plans for the new Jihostroj governor
>and bracket, which is a different animal than the old heavy McCauley
>governor.
>
>If I were to do it again, I would locate the prop governor cable
>pass-through as far to the left of the firewall as possible, because it
>really does end up needing to turn sharply and pass parallel to the firewall
>about 1" in front of the firewall. The more left you punch through, the
>more gentle curve you can set up.
>
>Photos here: http://www.rvproject.com/20030722.html
>
>The photos show how sharp a turn the cable has to make (impossible without
>eyeball fittings, I would think) to get where it needs to go.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>To: <RV-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: MT Prop Governor cable firewall pass-thru
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Fellow Listers,
>>
>> I'm looking for any documentation (photos / descriptions) of anyone that
>is using/installed the MT prop governor.
>>
>> I need to find out where the best location for the cable to come through
>the firewall.
>>
>> I'm currently in the process of figuring out where stuff goes on the
>firewall and this is one of the items......
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph Capen
>> Installing the grounding block and don't want it in the way of something
>later!
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
Listers: have decided to install Trutrak in my craft. Can someone help me on
Digiflight 200 vs 100; is the altitude hold "worth" the extra 1500 bucks? Do
you use it? Is it an easy install?
Dave Bockelman
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
I need to decide whether to use the Tinneman washers under the
various screws on the wheel pants, or whether to just have the flat
head screws sit directly in the fibreglas. It will look better to
skip the Tinnerman washers, but I'm wondering whether that will cause
me grief due to the abuse the wheel pants take.
I'm sure there are a few RVs flying with the new two piece wheel
pants that have the various screws doing directly into the fibreglas.
How is it working? Would you do it again?
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re:RV-6 slider windscreen |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
DWENSING@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/18/03 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Oldsfolks@aol.com writes:
>
> > you should follow Van's plans and put the aluminum clips in
> > place as Stein said.This adds hold-down power.
> >
>
> Does anyone have a picture of these "clips" on there web site?
Here is a photo of the clips I fabricated way back in '98 during the
canopy phase of my RV-6 (scroll about half way down the page):
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/finish2.html
I was not aware that they are now part of the construction drawings.
:-)
Sam Buchanan (Dynon on order)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Kevin,
Use SS washers and SS screws and you will be happy with them for years.
Sounds like your getting close.
Casper
Kevin Horton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
>I need to decide whether to use the Tinneman washers under the
>various screws on the wheel pants, or whether to just have the flat
>head screws sit directly in the fibreglas. It will look better to
>skip the Tinnerman washers, but I'm wondering whether that will cause
>me grief due to the abuse the wheel pants take.
>
>I'm sure there are a few RVs flying with the new two piece wheel
>pants that have the various screws doing directly into the fibreglas.
>How is it working? Would you do it again?
>
>
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| Subject: | SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Listers,
I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
(Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the coast
to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to depart
the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate bridge
and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch & Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either being
below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for clearance
at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
Thanks,
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 336 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Dave, I can't address the altitude hold other than to say I will have it in
my RV.
As for the Digiflight 200, it is my understanding from Oshkosh TruTrack is
discontinuing the Digiflight 200 in favor of their new Digiflight 2.
Furthurmore, the way I understood it, Trutrack would honor a one year
warranty on the existing 200 but at the end of that year would not support
it.
If Trutrack is listening in, are those correct statements?
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
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| Subject: | GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have kept all my flying to about 150 miles one way while flying rental
trash. Now that my RV-8a will be flying real soon I have been thinking
about long trips. I have a basic VFR panel with no navigational instruments
other than the compass. I have a hand held with VOR capability, and a hand
held GPS. I dont feel comfortable navigating long distance with just the
compass and map and I dont feel comfortable relying on the GPS 100%. The
hand held is basically for radio failure and locking into a VOR when all
else fails. So, I am thinking of buying another GPS for back up,
specifically the Lowerance 500. Is there anything simpler and cheaper than
this approach?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Kevin,
I used the Tinnerman washers and #6 SS screws and they have been fine on the
two-piece wheel pants on two airplanes. Where I have not used the Tinnerman
washers, like on the cowl for example, the screws will generally eat their
way through the fiberglass, enlarging the hole as they go. I would use the
Tinnermans, when they are painted, they are not noticeable. They also
prevent the paint from being broken by loosening the screws. I do not paint
the SS screws, of course.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wheel pant screws?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> I need to decide whether to use the Tinneman washers under the
> various screws on the wheel pants, or whether to just have the flat
> head screws sit directly in the fibreglas. It will look better to
> skip the Tinnerman washers, but I'm wondering whether that will cause
> me grief due to the abuse the wheel pants take.
>
> I'm sure there are a few RVs flying with the new two piece wheel
> pants that have the various screws doing directly into the fibreglas.
> How is it working? Would you do it again?
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Kevin
I used Tinnerman washers and they work quite well. Drill an oversized
hole to accomodate the neck T/washer and it will spread the load of the
screw across the surface of the pant beneath the washer. This large hole
will also aid you in putting on the pant during maintenance as the pants
change their shape slightly over time and temperature, the hole allows
some fudge factor and wiggle room so all the holes will still align.
You'll probably find that simply countersunking holes in fiberglass will
not work out in the long run as these small #26 holes will tend to get
sloppy as vibration and time take their toll.
--- Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> I need to decide whether to use the Tinneman washers under the
> various screws on the wheel pants, or whether to just have the flat
> head screws sit directly in the fibreglas. It will look better to
> skip the Tinnerman washers, but I'm wondering whether that will cause
> me grief due to the abuse the wheel pants take.
>
> I'm sure there are a few RVs flying with the new two piece wheel
> pants that have the various screws doing directly into the fibreglas.
> How is it working? Would you do it again?
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Rob Miller RV-8 N262RM 135 hours
Bad Cat Aviation--Toy Airplanes and Unique Pilot Gifts
www.badcataviation.com
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: <ferrergm@bellsouth.net>
See the attached file for details
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
YES!!!!! Yes, and Yes.
Laird RV-6 SoCal (w/ Altrak)
>--> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
>
>Listers: have decided to install Trutrak in my craft. Can someone help me on
>Digiflight 200 vs 100; is the altitude hold "worth" the extra 1500 bucks? Do
>you use it? Is it an easy install?
>
>Dave Bockelman
>F1 Rocket
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <info@trutrakflightsystems.com>
Dana and all,
We will always support any product that we have in the field. The
Digiflight 200 series is going to be discontinued, and replaced with the
Digiflight II. The Digiflight II has the same features as the original,
plus better user interface and vertical GPS Steering when available. The
warranty on all of our programmers is now five years from when you begin
flying the system.
Dave,
It just depends on what features you want in your aircraft. If you
start with a single axis system (Digitrak) and want to upgrade later to the
Digiflight II, all you pay is the difference in the system cost. There is
no penalty for upgrading. For that matter if you want the cheapest way to
get a roll axis and altitude hold the Digitrak and Altrak combine for the
cheapest two axis autopilot available, currently $3290, after Sept. 1 the
Altrak will increase $200 and the combo will be $3490.
Andrew Barker
TruTrak Flight Systems
479-751-0250
www.trutrakap.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Dave, I can't address the altitude hold other than to say I will have it
in
> my RV.
>
> As for the Digiflight 200, it is my understanding from Oshkosh TruTrack is
> discontinuing the Digiflight 200 in favor of their new Digiflight 2.
> Furthurmore, the way I understood it, Trutrack would honor a one year
> warranty on the existing 200 but at the end of that year would not support
> it.
>
>
> If Trutrack is listening in, are those correct statements?
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection.
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Randy
Cutting across the GG bridge higher but between the spires, still below
the Class B is a good route to transition--that way, you won't have to
communicate with the very busy bay area approach. Just keep your head
outside and on a swivel as there are lots of a/c here. I don't believe
there are any TFRs around the GGB but double check just to make sure.
BTW, Half Moon Bay is an excellent stop for lunch (take the trail to
Barbara's Fish Trap)
--- Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
> (Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the
> coast
> to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to
> depart
> the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate
> bridge
> and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch & Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
> looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either
> being
> below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for
> clearance
> at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, 336 hrs
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Rob Miller RV-8 N262RM 135 hours
Bad Cat Aviation--Toy Airplanes and Unique Pilot Gifts
www.badcataviation.com
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:07:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
randy@rv-8.com writes:
> Listers,
>
> I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
> (Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the coast
> to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to depart
> the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate bridge
> and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch &Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
> looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either being
> below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for clearance
> at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, 336 hrs
>
Hi Randy,
Sounds like a great trip. That 1500' area you see is for departures from
SFO. You don't have to talk to ATC for the rest of the route. I believe it would
be a good idea to get VFR advisories in the area of the bridge and over the
bay. This can be a very busy area. The restaurant at the Nut Tree has been
closed for some time. There are nice one's at Half Moon Bay, Petaluma, Santa
Rosa, Napa, Clear Lake and Woodland. I may have missed a few so check your
flight guide for others and to verify operating hours. Be aware of the California
coastal fog. It can be very persistent this time of year. You might have to
adjust your route to avoided it. You might think about dropping into Hayward
for lunch and fuel.
Cash Copeland
RV6 N46FC
Hayward, Ca
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
For what it's worth...
I've got a Garmin GPS III. Not a GPS III Pilot, just a plain, simple,
GPS III. I use it all the time for flying, and find it to be exactly
what I need. Moving map, splitscreen with speed/alt/ETA/etc. It can be
programmed with 500 waypoints, easily enough to encompass all the
alternates along a cross-country route.
You can pick them up used for well under $200 now, and as a backup I
couldn't recommend anything else... Certainly not when it works so well
as a primary, too.
For slightly more $$$ you can get the GPS III Plus or GPS V, the same
form factor with downloadable maps (both models) and/or higher screen
resolutions (GPS V). I've never wanted for either. For even more $$$,
you could go for the GPS III Pilot, which is a GPS III with the Jeppesen
database installed. Personally i'm happy to look up airport info in a
Flight Supplement (or in the US, in a FlightGuide).
-Rob
Scott Bilinski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I have kept all my flying to about 150 miles one way while flying rental
> trash. Now that my RV-8a will be flying real soon I have been thinking
> about long trips. I have a basic VFR panel with no navigational instruments
> other than the compass. I have a hand held with VOR capability, and a hand
> held GPS. I dont feel comfortable navigating long distance with just the
> compass and map and I dont feel comfortable relying on the GPS 100%. The
> hand held is basically for radio failure and locking into a VOR when all
> else fails. So, I am thinking of buying another GPS for back up,
> specifically the Lowerance 500. Is there anything simpler and cheaper than
> this approach?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV3 <rv3@comcast.net>
Rob Prior wrote:
>For slightly more $$$ you can get the GPS III Plus or GPS V, the same
>form factor with downloadable maps (both models) and/or higher screen
>resolutions (GPS V). I've never wanted for either. For even more $$$,
>you could go for the GPS III Pilot, which is a GPS III with the Jeppesen
>database installed. Personally i'm happy to look up airport info in a
>Flight Supplement (or in the US, in a FlightGuide).
>
>-Rob
>
Rob,
Since you are happy with your beer budget GPS,
nothing is likely to sway you from your position.
Long ago, I held it myself. <g>
It makes no sense for me to state a very differing
opinion at this time on one so satisfied as you.
Different strokes for different folks.
Bob
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"'Randy Lervold'"@matronics.com
| Subject: | SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "McFarland, Randy" <Randy.McFarland@novellus.com>
Randy, I do that transition all the time. Bay (NorCal) Approach has always
been accommodating. Just tell them you want to do a Westside Bay tour about
the time you get into the San Jose area. They'll send you up the Bay
between Highways 101 and 280 until you reach Pacifica or so, then you can
decend to whatever altitude you want to tour the Bay, Alcatraz, Wharf,
Saucilito, etc.. When you're done with sightseeing tell NorCal the direction
you want to depart and they'll clear / vector you outside the B airspace.
They are great to work with.
Randy McFarland
San Jose
7A QB fuse
----------
From: Randy Lervold [SMTP:randy@rv-8.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:05 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV-List: SFO area navigation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the
Portland
(Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up
the coast
to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to
depart
the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate
bridge
and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch & Fuel at the Nut Tree.
From
looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of
either being
below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for
clearance
at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this
area?
Thanks,
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 336 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to the
hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Dave,
I forgot to mention I wrote a short article about installing the
Altrak in the August SoCal Newsletter. You can download it at:
http://www.rvproject.com/SoCalNewsletters/
or:
http://new.metronet.com/~dreeves/vaf.htm
It might help make the decision. Installation would be similar.
Laird
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>YES!!!!! Yes, and Yes.
>
>Laird RV-6 SoCal (w/ Altrak)
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
>>
>>Listers: have decided to install Trutrak in my craft. Can someone help me on
>>Digiflight 200 vs 100; is the altitude hold "worth" the extra 1500 bucks? Do
>>you use it? Is it an easy install?
>>
>>Dave Bockelman
> >F1 Rocket
>>
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
Randy Lervold wrote:
>I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
>(Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the
coast
>to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to
depart
>the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate
bridge
>and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch & Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
>looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either
being
>below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for
clearance
>at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
>
Randy,
Go with the higher altitude and clearance through the class B from Norcal
approach (formerly Sierra approach, formerly Bay approach). You can do it
low along the coast, but there are some wildlife areas north of Santa Cruz
(2000 ft minimum if I remember right....check the sectional). Also, you
might want to know about the heavy 747 that just launched from SFO and is
headed through the San Bruno gap at the same time you are just outside or
under the 1500 ft section of the class B. Traffic and workload
permitting, Norcal will give you flight following all the way to Nut Tree
(so you can avoid the C-5 or C-17 in the pattern at Travis AFB).
Steve Allison
San Jose, CA
future RV-6A driver
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Rob: yeah! Bob: boo!
Seriously, Bob, I'm interested in knowing why you changed your mind about
flying with a simple GPS like the Garmin III. I fly with the Garmin III like
Rob does, and find that it meets my needs. But I don't fly where there are a
lot of airspace restrictions. Is it the ability to know about or avoid
controlled or restricted airspace that you find important in a more
sophisticated GPS?
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
RV3 wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV3 <rv3@comcast.net>
> Rob Prior wrote:
>
>>For slightly more $$$ you can get the GPS III Plus or GPS V, the same
>>form factor with downloadable maps (both models) and/or higher screen
>>resolutions (GPS V). I've never wanted for either. For even more $$$,
>>you could go for the GPS III Pilot, which is a GPS III with the Jeppesen
>>database installed. Personally i'm happy to look up airport info in a
>>Flight Supplement (or in the US, in a FlightGuide).
>
> Since you are happy with your beer budget GPS,
> nothing is likely to sway you from your position.
> Long ago, I held it myself. <g>
I agree, at least until I finish my -7 and have some spare money again
to start looking for new gadgets... 8-) I agree that having all of your
data in one electronic instrument is a nice feature, but at this time
the extra $$$ required doesn't make sense for my needs.
> It makes no sense for me to state a very differing
> opinion at this time on one so satisfied as you.
I Hate to disagree with you... But I am but one man, and my opinion is
but one opinion. I'm sure Scott (who asked for opinions) and others
would be interested in hearing your thoughts. I would!
-Rob
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| Subject: | GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Scott,
You're asking a comfort level question and only you can answer that. I have
no problem with GPS (handheld or panel) as the primary nav with only the
compass and charts as backup as long as it's decent VFR. The more marginal
it gets, the more backup I want. If I'm going to have backup I'd rather have
a different type of nav system, e.g VOR or Loran rather than another GPS.
It's still a personal comfort level thing and colored by your background. I
did a lot of no radio XC way back but I love all the gadgets now and don't
want to turn back the clock.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> --> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary
> navigation as long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there
> is a problem fall back to the hand held for VOR along with
> chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
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| Subject: | Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am not
to interested in the bells and whistles
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Inports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Concur with Rob's comments re; UPS. Key is that you pick up the shipment in
the US yourself and then do your own customs clearance. Probably the best
method for those conveniently located to the US and a border point. Be
warned that UPS customs fees are steep if you have them do the clearance for
you.
I did a few shipments myself this way using Pembina, ND about an hour south
of Winnipeg.
Jim Oke
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canadian Inports
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> Tedd McHenry wrote:
> >>Stay away from UPS,
> >
> > I agree. It took me 3 weeks to get same-day-shipped parts from Aircraft
Spruce
> > into Canada using UPS. And it was expensive, too.
>
> In contrast, i've used UPS for dozens of shipments and had no trouble at
> all. The difference is that I have all of mine sent to a mail drop just
> south of the border, pick them up myself, and hand-carry them across.
> It lowers the shipping cost, removes the brokerage fee, and I don't have
> to pay Canada Post $5 either. I figure it costs me $5 in gas to go pick
> up a package when I need to.
>
> I hear that the USPS priority services are cheaper than UPS, so maybe
> using USPS and paying Canada Post their $5 handling fee is comparable to
> UPS' rates without the brokerage fee.
>
> -Rob
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joshua Siler" <joshs@ninatek.com>
I usually use three methods simultaneously - I'll be tuned into the nearest
VOR, have the GPS dialed-in, and have a chart in front of me on which I know
where I am by terrain. If any one of the three fails I wouldn't expect to
have a problem.
On the other hand, waiting until the GPS goes out to whip out the chart and
dial in a VOR might be a little more 'exciting'.
Josh Siler
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Only Navigation
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to the
hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Kevin,
Having seen screw holes wear over the years on certified ships, and not
liking the look of the large Tinneman washers, I went with truss-head SS
screws with a thin nylon washer. This is not the most aerodynamic solution,
but the glass then only has a #8 screw hole in it with full glass thickness
all the way around. I'm happy with it and think the truss-head screws look
kinda nice.
Randy Lervold
www.rv-8.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wheel pant screws?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> I need to decide whether to use the Tinneman washers under the
> various screws on the wheel pants, or whether to just have the flat
> head screws sit directly in the fibreglas. It will look better to
> skip the Tinnerman washers, but I'm wondering whether that will cause
> me grief due to the abuse the wheel pants take.
>
> I'm sure there are a few RVs flying with the new two piece wheel
> pants that have the various screws doing directly into the fibreglas.
> How is it working? Would you do it again?
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Good post. I think I will just keep the single GPS for now add the VOR
antenna to help the (back up) hand held with the reception ,and see what I
get. It should make a big difference because the antenna on the hand held
is a radio antenna not a VOR antenna.
At 04:11 PM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>Scott,
>
>You're asking a comfort level question and only you can answer that. I have
>no problem with GPS (handheld or panel) as the primary nav with only the
>compass and charts as backup as long as it's decent VFR. The more marginal
>it gets, the more backup I want. If I'm going to have backup I'd rather have
>a different type of nav system, e.g VOR or Loran rather than another GPS.
>It's still a personal comfort level thing and colored by your background. I
>did a lot of no radio XC way back but I love all the gadgets now and don't
>want to turn back the clock.
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
>RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
>Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>> --> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>> So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary
>> navigation as long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there
>> is a problem fall back to the hand held for VOR along with
>> chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
>>
>>
>> Scott Bilinski
>> Eng dept 305
>> Phone (858) 657-2536
>> Pager (858) 502-5190
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
My father and I have flown around the country using only a panel
mounted GPS/comm and a handheld radio as backup. You can most always
call somebody to get a radar fix if you REALLY get lost. Or just ask
your RV buddy that your flying with to lead ;-)
You should always think that GPS is going to fail you, and follow
your path with a map in your hand (then again, maybe I should listen
to myself...I forgot the sectional AND WAC chart of the Yellowstone
area last weekend, but at least I had another RV with me).
Dead reckoning isn't a bad skill to practice once in a while either.
Regards,
Laird
RV-6 SoCal
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
>long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to the
>hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Only Navigation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Joshua Siler" <joshs@ninatek.com>
>
> I usually use three methods simultaneously - I'll be tuned into the
nearest
> VOR, have the GPS dialed-in, and have a chart in front of me on which I
know
> where I am by terrain. If any one of the three fails I wouldn't expect to
> have a problem.
>
> On the other hand, waiting until the GPS goes out to whip out the chart
and
> dial in a VOR might be a little more 'exciting'.
>
> Josh Siler
> Do not archive
I'm with you John, I love flying with my Garmin 195 as its taken a lot of
work and agnst out of navigation (especially on hazy days). However, I
still plot my position on a map ever 15 minutes are so, its amazing how
quickly familar terran can look strange if you get distracted from a few
minutes.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
.
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| Subject: | Re: Your details |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:14:07 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
No files can be attached on the list.
Bernie
----- Original Message -----
From: ferrergm@bellsouth.net
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:50 AM
Subject: RV-List: Your details
--> RV-List message posted by: <ferrergm@bellsouth.net>
See the attached file for details
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
> long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to
the
> hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
Devil's advocate...I can't resist...
Using a handheld GPS to back up a handheld GPS? Since you're talking about
flying VFR only, why bother with the 2nd GPS? Seems to me like money better
spent on fuel.
When was the last time *anybody's* handheld GPS died of any cause other than
batteries (which are a lot cheaper than a 2nd GPS)?
If you were talking about hard IMC and backing up a panel-mounted GPS with a
handheld, that makes more sense in my book. But when you're flying
visually, what ever happened to good old "looking outside" when the
crutch-box decides to die?
Sorry if I'm being overly opinionated here... 8-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker"
><info@trutrakflightsystems.com>
>
>Dana and all,
> We will always support any product that we have in the field. The
>Digiflight 200 series is going to be discontinued, and replaced with the
>Digiflight II. The Digiflight II has the same features as the original,
>plus better user interface and vertical GPS Steering when available. The
>warranty on all of our programmers is now five years from when you begin
>flying the system.
>
Andrew, thanks for your quick reply.
Dave,
I have an Stec in my Bonanza and the Trutrack out flies my "super double
throw me down" unit, hands down!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "Andrew Barker" <info@trutrakflightsystems.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:58:53 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker"
><info@trutrakflightsystems.com>
>
>Dana and all,
> We will always support any product that we have in the field. The
>Digiflight 200 series is going to be discontinued, and replaced with the
>Digiflight II. The Digiflight II has the same features as the original,
>plus better user interface and vertical GPS Steering when available. The
>warranty on all of our programmers is now five years from when you begin
>flying the system.
>
Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Randy...
Having grown up there and learned to fly at HWD I usually took the low road below
3000' from Gilroy up the east side of the Bay on the west side of the hills
through the Carquinez straight then follow I-80 to the Nut Tree A/P. The Nut
Tree resturant is no longer.
You can do the same flying up the coast but you will need to drop down to 1500'
around Half Moon Bay, hang a right over the GG bridge, head for Alcatraz then
Napa and then Nut Tree. This time of year fog will be a factor!
Good Luck.
Chris Stone
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com>
Subject: RV-List: SFO area navigation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Listers,
I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
(Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the coast
to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to depart
the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate bridge
and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch & Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either being
below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for clearance
at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
Thanks,
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 336 hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: david.keck@amd.com
It's a worm, I've been getting messages in my inbox containing that all day. Different
variations in the subject line. My server strips the worm out for me
though, but be carefull with your own email. I must have been getting 3-4 of
them per hour for a while there. They pretty much look like run of the mill
junk mail.
-----Original Message-----
From: WALTER KERR [mailto:kerrjb@msn.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Your details
--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
No files can be attached on the list.
Bernie
----- Original Message -----
From: ferrergm@bellsouth.net
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:50 AM
Subject: RV-List: Your details
--> RV-List message posted by: <ferrergm@bellsouth.net>
See the attached file for details
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
JusCash@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:07:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>randy@rv-8.com writes:
>
>
>
>>Listers,
>>
>>I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
>>(Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the coast
>>to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to depart
>>the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate bridge
>>and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch &Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
>>looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either being
>>below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for clearance
>>at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Randy Lervold
>>RV-8, 336 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hi Randy,
>Sounds like a great trip. That 1500' area you see is for departures from
>SFO. You don't have to talk to ATC for the rest of the route. I believe it would
>be a good idea to get VFR advisories in the area of the bridge and over the
>bay. This can be a very busy area. The restaurant at the Nut Tree has been
>closed for some time. There are nice one's at Half Moon Bay, Petaluma, Santa
>Rosa, Napa, Clear Lake and Woodland. I may have missed a few so check your
>flight guide for others and to verify operating hours. Be aware of the California
>coastal fog. It can be very persistent this time of year. You might have to
>adjust your route to avoided it. You might think about dropping into Hayward
>for lunch and fuel.
>
>Cash Copeland
>RV6 N46FC
>Hayward, Ca
>
>
>
>
Another thought Randy, is have lunch at Livermore and give our great
RV-List administrator Matt Dralle a call, if he has time he might
come have lunch there also. When I was helping him test the "FuelChec"
formally known as "FuelScan" we had lunch there at the golf club, which
is right
at the airport, nice restaurant.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>
>Kevin,
>Use SS washers and SS screws and you will be happy with them for years.
>Sounds like your getting close.
>Casper
>
No, I'm not that close. I've got a depressing long list of stuff to
finish off. I'm just trying to scratch and claw my way through the
fibreglas while it is warm enough to sand outside, and to keep the
garage door open. The wheel pants aren't quite finished, so I
started at them, and realized I needed to make a decision on the
screws.
I want something that looks as good as possible without being a
maintenance headache. Judging by the comments I've gotten on and off
list, the fibreglas doesn't stand up to the screw holes as well as I
hoped. At the moment I'm pondering using truss head screws.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Sigh. Good to hear -- although it's still a little depressing that my
DF200VS is already discontinued and I haven't even flown yet! Guess I
need to build faster ....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Barker [mailto:info@trutrakflightsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:59 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker"
> --> <info@trutrakflightsystems.com>
>
> Dana and all,
> We will always support any product that we have in the
> field. The Digiflight 200 series is going to be
> discontinued, and replaced with the Digiflight II. The
> Digiflight II has the same features as the original, plus
> better user interface and vertical GPS Steering when
> available. The warranty on all of our programmers is now
> five years from when you begin flying the system.
>
> Dave,
> It just depends on what features you want in your
> aircraft. If you start with a single axis system (Digitrak)
> and want to upgrade later to the Digiflight II, all you pay
> is the difference in the system cost. There is no penalty
> for upgrading. For that matter if you want the cheapest way
> to get a roll axis and altitude hold the Digitrak and Altrak
> combine for the cheapest two axis autopilot available,
> currently $3290, after Sept. 1 the Altrak will increase $200
> and the combo will be $3490.
>
> Andrew Barker
> TruTrak Flight Systems
> 479-751-0250
> www.trutrakap.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Dave, I can't address the altitude hold other than to say I
> will have
> > it
> in
> > my RV.
> >
> > As for the Digiflight 200, it is my understanding from Oshkosh
> > TruTrack is discontinuing the Digiflight 200 in favor of their new
> > Digiflight 2. Furthurmore, the way I understood it, Trutrack would
> > honor a one year warranty on the existing 200 but at the
> end of that
> > year would not support it.
> >
> >
> > If Trutrack is listening in, are those correct statements?
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > RV-7 slider/fuselage
> > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Scott,
I've been using GPS and "Pilotage & Dead Reckoning" in combination for
years... works great in the continental U.S. of A.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Only Navigation
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
> long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to
the
> hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in this?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
I forgot to mention one very important *also... I use Flight Following
religiously! It's great to have someone else to communicate with on long
cross country flights; and if anything happens it's a tremendous resource.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> Scott,
>
> I've been using GPS and "Pilotage & Dead Reckoning" in combination for
> years... works great in the continental U.S. of A.
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Only Navigation
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
> > long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to
> the
> > hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in
this?
> >
> >
> > Scott Bilinski
> > Eng dept 305
> > Phone (858) 657-2536
> > Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Anybody got a trick for easily removing the grooves that get worn in the 1" and
2" die-grinder mounted scotchbrite wheels (from edge finishing)?
Thanks,
Scott
7A Emp/Wings
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!
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| Subject: | Re: Carb tooling |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Bob,
I haven't seen anyone else reply to your question. It's been a more than a few
years since I've overhauled a Marvel Schebler (now Precision) carb. If you can
clearly see the bushings from the outside of the carb body, you can remove them
doing the following.
Measure the throttle shaft's diameter. Use this measurement to choose a tap. Insert
the tap in one of the throttle shaft bushings. Tap the bushing and remove
the tap. Using an appropriately sized socket, flat washer and bolt, you can
"pull" the bushing out of the carb housing. Repeat the process for the bushing
on the other side.
Carefully press the new bushings into the carb body and ream them to final size.
Unless you are comfortable doing this last part, I'd suggest that you farm
this job out to a machine shop or a machinist friend.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: FlashandCo@aol.com
>
>Listers,
>
>I have a MA4-5 carburetor that I plan to use on my 0360-A1A, but I received the
carb used, not tagged. I consider it an unknown and have decided to rebuild/overhaul
it. I bought the Precision Service Manual and the Consolidated overhaul
kit from AC$. In looking at the manual I see the need for tooling, especially
to pull the throttle shaft bushings and install new ones. Does anyone out
there have a set of tooling they would be willing to loan (or rent). Tool
P/N's are M-94, M-105, M-105A, M-122, M-516. Thanks for any help.
>
>Bob Gordon
>Dover DE
>RV6 finishing up on FWF
>
>
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| Subject: | Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
KMD-150 Bendix-King
Ed Holyoke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-
> wireless.com>
>
> Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am
not
> to interested in the bells and whistles
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo@ak.net>
We use pilotage and dead reckoning while using the GPS as a back up and we
fly all over Alaska. Oh yeah we also fly IFR alot, I follow rivers, roads,
railroads etc..
A great panel is a true joy to look at but the true wonders are outside.
Do not archive
Mike Ice
Anchorage, Alaska
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: RV-List: GPS Only Navigation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> I forgot to mention one very important *also... I use Flight Following
> religiously! It's great to have someone else to communicate with on long
> cross country flights; and if anything happens it's a tremendous resource.
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > I've been using GPS and "Pilotage & Dead Reckoning" in combination
for
> > years... works great in the continental U.S. of A.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Only Navigation
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> > <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > >
> > > So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation
as
> > > long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back
to
> > the
> > > hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in
> this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Bilinski
> > > Eng dept 305
> > > Phone (858) 657-2536
> > > Pager (858) 502-5190
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
Get an old (or cheap) hasp file and use it to true up the wheel (i.e. turn on
the wheel and hold the file on it to file it down. I say "old" because
although it wears the wheel down, it also does a number on smoothing out the
file....
-Mike Kraus <-- made one wheel last an entire RV-4 project!
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
True them on your bench grinder mounted 6" ScotchBrite wheels
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>Anybody got a trick for easily removing the grooves that get worn in the 1" and
2" die-grinder mounted scotchbrite wheels (from edge finishing)?
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>7A Emp/Wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Scott,
Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount kits
available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash it
out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never look
at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
Casper
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am not
>to interested in the bells and whistles
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
The easiest way is just to keep them and make more grooves, saving them for
edge finishing or toss 'em! If you must smooth them out, or sometimes I
like to make them "cone shaped", then simply turn on your belt sander and
run the wheel against it. You can make any shape you want! Works well if
you need to "slim it down", etc..
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
P.S. I'll be stocking these in another couple weeks REAL cheap!
http://www.steinair.com/store.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tx_jayhawk@excite.com
Subject: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Anybody got a trick for easily removing the grooves that get worn in the 1"
and 2" die-grinder mounted scotchbrite wheels (from edge finishing)?
Thanks,
Scott
7A Emp/Wings
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 11:04 AM 8/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
>
>I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
>(Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the coast
>to the Bay area before heading home.
The best place to eat is Santa Rosa. Busy airspace, make it easy on
yourself and others by getting flight following. Maybe you'll want the bay
tour.
Or go high over it all.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> > So I guess there is no problem using a GPS as your primary navigation as
> > long as there is a GPS back up. Then if there is a problem fall back to
> the
> > hand held for VOR along with chart/compass. Anyone see any flaws in
this?
>
> Devil's advocate...I can't resist...
>
> Using a handheld GPS to back up a handheld GPS? Since you're talking
about
> flying VFR only, why bother with the 2nd GPS? Seems to me like money
better
> spent on fuel.
>
> When was the last time *anybody's* handheld GPS died of any cause other
than
> batteries (which are a lot cheaper than a 2nd GPS)?
>
> If you were talking about hard IMC and backing up a panel-mounted GPS with
a
> handheld, that makes more sense in my book. But when you're flying
> visually, what ever happened to good old "looking outside" when the
> crutch-box decides to die?
>
> Sorry if I'm being overly opinionated here... 8-)
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
Dan, my thoughts exactly. My sectional and compass are the backup to my
portable GPS (Garmin 295) which is wired to ships power and automatically
switches to batteries should the ship's power go down. I do carry a hand
held com and have wired a jack so that it can use the ship's antenna.
Actually my Icom portable radio has a VOR in it but I'm not sure I'd
remember how to use it. If my GPS goes down I'll be landing shortly to
figure out what happened and develop a plan from there. I am quite
comfortable with this set-up, and I think justifiably so given the
reliability and accuracy of modern GPS units.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 336 hrs
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
Jerry wilken
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
that is why they call it VFR. haven't seen anyone say 196 which i think has
got 2 b the best hand held.
my thooughts only
do not archive
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| Subject: | New latch system for Tip-ups |
--> RV-List message posted by: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
For those of you building Tip-ups check out the new latch system developed by Robbie Attaway. www.attawayair.com
I got to see the latch on his new "six" under construction and it is very nice.
The latch is much beefier but very light with very positive feel. It is also
flush fit to the exterior skin.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| Subject: | issue riveting firewall hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
PRE-PUNCHED strikes again! I think I might have built myself into a corner
here, although I'm sure there's a simple solution I just can't think of
since it's getting late and I'm tired.
I just drilled the side hinge to my firewall (lower cowl hinge), but I don't
see how I'm going to be able to squeeze the shop head on the bottom 5 to 7
or so rivets. Here's a photo illustrating the issue:
http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030819_hinge_riveting_issue.jpg
The problem is that the engine is already installed, the plane's on gear,
etc., and there's no way a squeezer and set will fit between the vertical
engine mount side tube and the firewall flange.
Now...of course if this WASN'T a pre-punched kit, I could have just drilled
the rivet holes in the "empty" slots of the hinge and used a no-hole
thin-nose yoke to squeeze 'em. But my fuselage skin already had the holes
in it, so what am I to do?
I really don't want to use blind rivets in there, and I don't think I can
buck 'em, even with a tiny/funky bucking bar. And I'm *definitely* not
taking the engine & mount off.
I can't be the first person to have had this issue...what do you suggest?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: SFO area navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Wow, so many great routes and alternatives... thanks to everyone for all the
great advice! Half Moon Bay would definitely have better food, but Vacaville
(Nut Tree) has cheaper fuel by over $.50/gal. Livermore was also suggested.
Decisions, decisions. I have no particular preference for the Nut Tree, it
was just about the right distance between SoCal and home to stop for
fuel/lunch, I'll reconsider that. The "Westside Bay Tour" several of you
described sounds really interesting and like something I need to do. I'd
rather work with ATC when transiting such a busy area anyway.
Thanks guys!
Randy Lervold
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
> Randy
> Cutting across the GG bridge higher but between the spires, still below
> the Class B is a good route to transition--that way, you won't have to
> communicate with the very busy bay area approach. Just keep your head
> outside and on a swivel as there are lots of a/c here. I don't believe
> there are any TFRs around the GGB but double check just to make sure.
> BTW, Half Moon Bay is an excellent stop for lunch (take the trail to
> Barbara's Fish Trap)
> Rob Miller RV-8 N262RM 135 hours
> Bad Cat Aviation--Toy Airplanes and Unique Pilot Gifts
> www.badcataviation.com
> --- Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> > I'm making a long trip next week from my home airport in the Portland
> > (Oregon) area to Denver, then a couple of stops in SoCal, then up the
> > coast
> > to the Bay area before heading home. My question is this: I plan to
> > depart
> > the SoCal area and fly up the coast, turn right over the Golden Gate
> > bridge
> > and proceed direct to Vacaville for lunch & Fuel at the Nut Tree. From
> > looking at my VFR TAC that looks possible with the exception of either
> > being
> > below 1,500' in the Pacifica area or contacting Bay Approach for
> > clearance
> > at a higher altitude, say 2,000'. Any advice on transiting this area?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Randy Lervold
> > RV-8, 336 hrs
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| Subject: | Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Or...for a Grand less and with the same screen, software, and basic
functionality you can go with a SkymapIIIc. I have one mounted in my panel
and love it.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6, Minneapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Subject: RE: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
KMD-150 Bendix-King
Ed Holyoke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-
> wireless.com>
>
> Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am
not
> to interested in the bells and whistles
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New latch system for Tip-ups |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
And this extra weight is needed why?
Using my stock latch close to 15 years now.
Jerry
ktlkrn@cox.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
>For those of you building Tip-ups check out the new latch system developed by Robbie Attaway. www.attawayair.com
>
>I got to see the latch on his new "six" under construction and it is very nice.
The latch is much beefier but very light with very positive feel. It is also
flush fit to the exterior skin.
>
>Darwin N. Barrie
>Chandler AZ
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum - long but important. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
Prolog:
It took "Gumption" (a.k.a. "big ones"), but I cut and drilled my 7 tip-up
canopy to the frame.
All went well, no cracks and no blood.
On the 7 tip-up, the plexi is fastened to the frame with #6 screws all
around. No rivets, except for the leading edge of the canopy which gets
glassed to the aluminum skin (to form a smoth transition).
Today:
I was going to make the canopy skirts, which on the 7 tip-up are riveted to
the frame with 426AD3 rivets, but atttaches with #6 screws where the
plexiglass is sandwiched between the internal frame and the skirts. (Is that
clear ?).
To do this, the manual instructs you to hold the canopy and the frame
together, with 3 of the #6 csnk screws on each side, so that the skirt can
be flush with the frame, with no clecos in the way.
The symptom:
Misalignment of the holes, between the plexi and the aluminum frame was
such, that I couldn't insert more than one screw in each side.
I waited untill the garage was the same temperature it was as when I drilled
the holes, and they aligned perfectly again. All screws went through the
aluminum and the canopy with no problem.
Back to the drawing board:
Well, to the internet realy. I searched the archives, and found references
to the over-size hole that is recommended for the plexiglass.
References were made to 1/8" oversize on a ~1/8" hole - could that be ?!
As you may know, the plexi is match-drilled with the frame, but then the
frame is enlarged to #27 (0.144") and the manual says to enlarge the holes
in the plexi to 5/32" (that's 0.1563", I know you don't do decimals here,
but bear with me, what is a #27 in fractions ?!).
But is the difference enough ?
Obviously, there is an issue of thermal expansion/contraction coefficients
here.
From the web:
Acrylic Plexi expands linearly .000041 units of length per deg. F.
Aluminum has a linear expansion coefficient of only .0000129 !!
So, per 40 degrees Fahrenheit, which is the difference between a 90 deg day
and a 50 deg night, per 30 inches, which is more or less the length of the
tipup part, the Plexi will change in length 0.0492", while the aluminum will
do 0.1548".
If you hold one edge of the canopy as a pivot point, or fixed to the frame
(that would be the forward edge, where they are epoxied and glassed
together), the difference is 0.03372", (or if you divide it by 2, it's
0.01686" on each side) at the farthest screw from your pivot point.
A little more math shows that the difference between your #27 drill and the
5/32" hole in the plexi amounts to only 0.0061" on each side of the last
hole!
That is simply not enough.
A little reverse engineering:
And this is for a 40 deg F difference.
For 100 deg F diff, not unlikely if you fly from the desert on a hot day
into a cool night with sub-zero temps, you will need a hole larger than
7/32" in the plexi (actually, larger than 0.2283", but less than a 1/4"), to
make sure the edges of the last hole (farthest from the front) don't meet
the screw.
That is a at least a whole 1/16" more than the manual tells you.
Nitpicking ? Sure, if $1000 in a new canopy is peanuts for you.
What you realy want:
Is all the expansion of the canopy linear? Ofcourse not. and maybe the
dimensions are less thany 30" of linear distance.
The fact is, you need the plexi to "float" relative to the aluminum frame.
This "floatation" is necesary if you don't want the screws to touch the
edges of the holes in the plexi with any considerable force. Since most of
us heat the plexi before we drill it, we have a good fit for hot weather,
but not for cold conditions, and most of the cracks I read of, were due to
cold weather. (See J.Johansons polar flight for one extreme example).
Epilog:
I am going to use the unibit to enlarge the holes to 1/4 inch, practicing on
some scrap plexi first.
I don't think this will leave much of a countersink in the plexi, and I'll
use very short pieces of rubber tube as "bushings" around the screws. That
is a tip from the archives - they recommend RC fuel tubes.
Comments welcome !!! don't hesitate to double check my math - I used XL, and
you know there are bugs there. Also, maybe I have the wrong linear expansion
coefficients.
Amit.
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| Subject: | how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
OK, I give up...... I can't reach them with my squeezer and after spending
an hour grinding down a bucking bar to fit nicely, it's not heavy enough to
buck the rivet and now that I'm done throwing things around in the garage, I
thought I'd come in and ask.....
How do I squeeze the last rivets that attach the elevator skin to the
trailing edge of the 703 and 709 ribs????
-Will Allen
North Bend, WA
RV8 (desperately trying to finish emp so I can open my wing boxes!!!!!!!
Arrrrgh)
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