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1. 12:15 AM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Jeff Point)
2. 02:40 AM - Re: New latch system for Tip-ups (Jim Sears)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (Richard V. Reynolds)
4. 03:43 AM - Re: issue riveting firewall hinge (Richard V. Reynolds)
5. 04:22 AM - Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? (Dana Overall)
6. 04:51 AM - Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? (Larry Bowen)
7. 05:45 AM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
8. 06:00 AM - Re: issue riveting firewall hinge (Pat Hatch)
9. 06:30 AM - Re: Wheel pant screws? (Ken Harrill)
10. 06:30 AM - Re: Digiflight 200 vs. Digiflight 100 (Denis Walsh)
11. 06:40 AM - Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the (Scott Bilinski)
12. 07:07 AM - Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? (Jim Oke)
13. 07:20 AM - Re: Thank you! ()
14. 07:42 AM - Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the (Bill Dube)
15. 08:21 AM - Re: Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum - long but important. (Randy Lervold)
16. 08:29 AM - Thank you! ()
17. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: My details ()
18. 10:39 AM - Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? (Tedd McHenry)
19. 11:46 AM - Re: Upgrade to IFR (James E. Clark)
20. 11:55 AM - Re: Your details (James E. Clark)
21. 12:00 PM - RV6A for sale (structurally complete) (Daniel Wiesel)
22. 12:39 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (Phil Birkelbach)
23. 12:48 PM - Re: Re:RV-6 slider windscreen (Phil Birkelbach)
24. 12:57 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (WPAerial@aol.com)
25. 01:15 PM - Re: Thank you! ()
26. 01:23 PM - Re: Wicked screensaver ()
27. 01:26 PM - Your details ()
28. 01:29 PM - Re: Thank you! ()
29. 01:33 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service (Charlie Kuss)
30. 01:36 PM - Re: Your details (Tedd McHenry)
31. 01:38 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (Scott Bilinski)
32. 01:44 PM - Re: GPS Only Navigation (MStudio828@aol.com)
33. 01:44 PM - Worm attack on members address book (Tom Gummo)
34. 01:58 PM - Re: Thank you! ()
35. 02:04 PM - Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (RV_8 Pilot)
36. 02:04 PM - Re: Approved ()
37. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service (Scott Bilinski)
38. 02:12 PM - Your details ()
39. 02:15 PM - Your details ()
40. 02:26 PM - Evaluating Used Tools (Tedd McHenry)
41. 02:26 PM - Re: That movie ()
42. 02:44 PM - Re: Thank you! ()
43. 02:46 PM - Dissimlar Metal Corrision (Stein Bruch)
44. 02:58 PM - Re: Your application ()
45. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service (van Bladeren, Ron)
46. 03:14 PM - Re: Wicked screensaver ()
47. 03:16 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Bartrim, Todd)
48. 03:21 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Nick N)
49. 03:23 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Glenn Brasch)
50. 03:25 PM - Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision (Gert)
51. 03:53 PM - Re: issue riveting firewall hinge (RGray67968@aol.com)
52. 04:14 PM - Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision (Rob Prior)
53. 04:33 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Ed Anderson)
54. 04:51 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
55. 04:52 PM - Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision (J. R. Dial)
56. 05:20 PM - Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum - long but important - correction (Amit Dagan)
57. 05:38 PM - Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision (Gert)
58. 05:44 PM - Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision (Gert)
59. 05:58 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Jerry Springer)
60. 06:13 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Charlie & Tupper England)
61. 06:22 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Kevin Horton)
62. 06:31 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Terry Watson)
63. 06:35 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Jerry Springer)
64. 06:42 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Jerry Springer)
65. 06:52 PM - GRT and cutting thermocouple wires (John Reuterskiold)
66. 07:15 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Stein Bruch)
67. 07:16 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Wayne R. Couture)
68. 07:37 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Jim Jewell)
69. 07:53 PM - Oswego NY-KFZY Steak/Egg Breakfast and FAA seminar (RV6160hp@aol.com)
70. 08:05 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Jerry Springer)
71. 08:05 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Tom Gummo)
72. 08:28 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Jerry Springer)
73. 09:01 PM - GPS Only Nav (Donald Mei)
74. 09:36 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Rob Prior)
75. 10:16 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Garry Legare)
76. 10:18 PM - Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum -Canopy expansion (Rob W M Shipley)
77. 10:43 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (James E. Clark)
78. 11:13 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Patrick Kelley)
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Lowrance had a mockup of their newest at Oshkosh (Airmap 1000 I
believe.) The screen was huge, about 5 inch diagonal (B & W), price was
not set but was supposed to be less than the Garmin 196 ($850 at last
glance.) I would have bought one had they had them, but they are not
shipping until October.
Jeff Point
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am not
>to interested in the bells and whistles
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New latch system for Tip-ups |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
> For those of you building Tip-ups check out the new latch system developed
> by Robbie Attaway. www.attawayair.com
>
Like Jerry, I've been using my stock latching system for a while now. For me,
it's been over three years. No problems, so far. However, I did modify mine
so that there is no slot on the outside of the fuse. I cut off the arms that
extend to the outside, instead. I used one of the lock sets that came with my
mag switch to lock the canopy, per the Orndorff tapes. It looks a tad nicer,
that way. If I were going to do a slot, I'd want something as small as possible
to make it look nicer. More robust means bigger hole in the side, which means
more ugly. It may also be another hole for rain and cold air to get through.
Sorry; but, I can find other things better suited for spending my money
on than that. It did look well made, though.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
Use a wood 2x4 or other suitable size. Never tried it on a 1-2 wheel but it works
on a 6".
Richard Reynolds
tx_jayhawk@excite.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
> Anybody got a trick for easily removing the grooves that get worn in the 1" and
2" die-grinder mounted scotchbrite wheels (from edge finishing)?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 7A Emp/Wings
>
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| Subject: | Re: issue riveting firewall hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
Remove the engine mount from the firewall and get on with it! That is wht it is
"bolted on".
PS Is there anyhing else you forgot to do while the mount is off??
Richard Reynolds
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> PRE-PUNCHED strikes again! I think I might have built myself into a corner
> here, although I'm sure there's a simple solution I just can't think of
> since it's getting late and I'm tired.
>
> I just drilled the side hinge to my firewall (lower cowl hinge), but I don't
> see how I'm going to be able to squeeze the shop head on the bottom 5 to 7
> or so rivets. Here's a photo illustrating the issue:
>
> http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030819_hinge_riveting_issue.jpg
>
> The problem is that the engine is already installed, the plane's on gear,
> etc., and there's no way a squeezer and set will fit between the vertical
> engine mount side tube and the firewall flange.
>
> Now...of course if this WASN'T a pre-punched kit, I could have just drilled
> the rivet holes in the "empty" slots of the hinge and used a no-hole
> thin-nose yoke to squeeze 'em. But my fuselage skin already had the holes
> in it, so what am I to do?
>
> I really don't want to use blind rivets in there, and I don't think I can
> buck 'em, even with a tiny/funky bucking bar. And I'm *definitely* not
> taking the engine & mount off.
>
> I can't be the first person to have had this issue...what do you suggest?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
>OK, I give up...... I can't reach them with my squeezer and after spending
>an hour grinding down a bucking bar to fit nicely, it's not heavy enough to
>buck the rivet and now that I'm done throwing things around in the garage,
>I
>thought I'd come in and ask.....
>
>How do I squeeze the last rivets that attach the elevator skin to the
>trailing edge of the 703 and 709 ribs????
Will, I used two different methods. One worked much better than the other.
My first method involved grinding down a chisel to fit between both aft
rivets. I ended up drilling several rivets out before I got acceptable AN3s
in those holes. This took probably a couple hours to get these last two
rivets. Since the emp is the first part you build, getting those rivets
seemed to be a right of passage..........wrong!!
On the second elevator, I discovered (as a result of the first method)
MK-319-BS pops. This method took two minutes. Guess what, it will be fine,
or at least it is with me. Others have seen my work and I haven't heard,
"It'll fall out of the sky because of those pops", yet.
As you go forward, you will find there are numerous places where you just
can't make a shop head without three days of cussing, standing on your head,
beating on someone else's head.....well you get the point. Pop it and move
on.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I used pop rivets.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will & Lynda Allen [mailto:linenwool@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:02 AM
> To: RV LIST; RV8 List
> Subject: RV-List: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the
> elevator?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
> --> <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> OK, I give up...... I can't reach them with my squeezer and
> after spending an hour grinding down a bucking bar to fit
> nicely, it's not heavy enough to buck the rivet and now that
> I'm done throwing things around in the garage, I thought I'd
> come in and ask.....
>
> How do I squeeze the last rivets that attach the elevator
> skin to the trailing edge of the 703 and 709 ribs????
>
> -Will Allen
> North Bend, WA
> RV8 (desperately trying to finish emp so I can open my wing
> boxes!!!!!!!
> Arrrrgh)
>
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| Subject: | Digiflight 200 vs Digiflight 100 |
tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_IN_WHITELIST
version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Yes, Yes, Yes,... IF, you plan on really putting some hours on her.
Especially since you have an F1. Even more pitch sensitive than the RV
series.
Mike Stewart
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<snip>
Listers: have decided to install Trutrak in my craft. Can someone help me on
Digiflight 200 vs 100; is the altitude hold "worth" the extra 1500 bucks? Do
you use it? Is it an easy install?
Dave Bockelman
F1 Rocket
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: issue riveting firewall hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Dan,
I would use CherryMax rivets here. These are high-dollar (50 cents ea.)
structural rivets that will not be discernable after you paint the airplane.
Having said that, I don't think it's a big deal to remove your mount from
the fuse slightly to squeeze these rivets, especially if you have the castle
nuts on the engine side. I would take your hoist, lift the airplane, slide
a support under the fuselage. Then I would put the hoist on the engine,
remove the six castle nuts on the mount bolts, and ease your engine/mount
combo forward slightly using the hoist until you can get your squeezer in
there. Not a big deal. But not something you want to do late at night when
you're tired! It will have an entirely different perspective in the
morning.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: RV-List: issue riveting firewall hinge
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> PRE-PUNCHED strikes again! I think I might have built myself into a
corner
> here, although I'm sure there's a simple solution I just can't think of
> since it's getting late and I'm tired.
>
> I just drilled the side hinge to my firewall (lower cowl hinge), but I
don't
> see how I'm going to be able to squeeze the shop head on the bottom 5 to 7
> or so rivets. Here's a photo illustrating the issue:
>
> http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030819_hinge_riveting_issue.jpg
>
> The problem is that the engine is already installed, the plane's on gear,
> etc., and there's no way a squeezer and set will fit between the vertical
> engine mount side tube and the firewall flange.
>
> Now...of course if this WASN'T a pre-punched kit, I could have just
drilled
> the rivet holes in the "empty" slots of the hinge and used a no-hole
> thin-nose yoke to squeeze 'em. But my fuselage skin already had the holes
> in it, so what am I to do?
>
> I really don't want to use blind rivets in there, and I don't think I can
> buck 'em, even with a tiny/funky bucking bar. And I'm *definitely* not
> taking the engine & mount off.
>
> I can't be the first person to have had this issue...what do you suggest?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Wheel pant screws? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@osa.state.sc.us>
Kevin,
Following Casper's thinking, I used #8 SS truss head screws on my spinner.
I used #6 SS flush head screws and SS tinnerman washers on my wheel pants.
At 225 hours both seem to work equally well; no problems.
Ken Harrill
RV-6
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Horton [mailto:khorto1537@rogers.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel pant screws?
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>
>Kevin,
>Use SS washers and SS screws and you will be happy with them for years.
>Sounds like your getting close.
>Casper
>
No, I'm not that close. I've got a depressing long list of stuff to
finish off. I'm just trying to scratch and claw my way through the
fibreglas while it is warm enough to sand outside, and to keep the
garage door open. The wheel pants aren't quite finished, so I
started at them, and realized I needed to make a decision on the
screws.
I want something that looks as good as possible without being a
maintenance headache. Judging by the comments I've gotten on and off
list, the fibreglas doesn't stand up to the screw holes as well as I
hoped. At the moment I'm pondering using truss head screws.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight 200 vs. Digiflight 100 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
Dave just doesn't want to admit he ever flew an airplane with an autopilot
but I know better.
(bombardment pilot) Denis Walsh
> <snip>
> Listers: have decided to install Trutrak in my craft. Can someone help me on
>
> Digiflight 200 vs 100; is the altitude hold "worth" the extra 1500 bucks? Do
>
> you use it? Is it an easy install?
>
> Dave Bockelman
> F1 Rocket
> <snip>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the |
elevator?
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Dont waste alot of time trying to figure out how to get to those rivets and
others soon to be. Call Van's and order the pop rivet thats are the same
size as the rivets your trying to squeeze. Actually the head is the same
size the body is .015 larger I think. I ordered 100 of them and have no
regrets.
At 12:01 AM 8/20/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
>OK, I give up...... I can't reach them with my squeezer and after spending
>an hour grinding down a bucking bar to fit nicely, it's not heavy enough to
>buck the rivet and now that I'm done throwing things around in the garage, I
>thought I'd come in and ask.....
>
>How do I squeeze the last rivets that attach the elevator skin to the
>trailing edge of the 703 and 709 ribs????
>
>-Will Allen
>North Bend, WA
>RV8 (desperately trying to finish emp so I can open my wing boxes!!!!!!!
>Arrrrgh)
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Will;
The only real solution to is to keep experimenting with different bucking
bars until you find something that fits inside the rib to buck those
difficult rivets. One alternative bucking bar that I used was made from a
"splitting wedge" sold at Home Depot and similar places to split wood logs
for firewood. Heavy, strong, and the right general shape to fit is small
places, it will need to be ground and polished reasonably smooth. The extra
mass compared to most bucking bars should be enough to do those last few
rivets.
As others have said, the alternative is to use pop rivets in these locations
and move on to other things more worthy of your time. Many months from now,
a trace of filler when you are getting ready to paint will disguise the
evidence and probably nobody but yourself will ever notice the difference.
Please be forewarned these will not be the last "tough to access" rivets on
your project!
Cheers,
Jim Oke
Wpg., MB
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> OK, I give up...... I can't reach them with my squeezer and after
spending
> an hour grinding down a bucking bar to fit nicely, it's not heavy enough
to
> buck the rivet and now that I'm done throwing things around in the garage,
I
> thought I'd come in and ask.....
>
> How do I squeeze the last rivets that attach the elevator skin to the
> trailing edge of the 703 and 709 ribs????
>
> -Will Allen
> North Bend, WA
> RV8 (desperately trying to finish emp so I can open my wing boxes!!!!!!!
> Arrrrgh)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: <3Crv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
See the attached file for details
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| Subject: | Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the |
elevator?
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
>How do I squeeze the last rivets that attach the elevator skin to the
>trailing edge of the 703 and 709 ribs????
I knew I was going to need it, so I bought a 4 inch thin-nosed
yoke for my squeazer.
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=SNYT45&variation=&aitem=11&mitem=13
This slipped right in without a problem. I use this 4" yoke for
riveting more than any other.
The real pain in the butt are the last four outboard rivets on the
rear spar on the left elevator (the one with the trim tab.) I made an
S-shaped bucking bar from a 2 ft chunk of 1/4" x 1" steel bar. I felt like
I had passed the blacksmith final exam when I was finished bending,
grinding, and shaping this bucking bar.
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| Subject: | Re: Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum - long but important. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> Epilog:
> I am going to use the unibit to enlarge the holes to 1/4 inch, practicing
on
> some scrap plexi first.
> I don't think this will leave much of a countersink in the plexi, and I'll
> use very short pieces of rubber tube as "bushings" around the screws. That
> is a tip from the archives - they recommend RC fuel tubes.
>
> Comments welcome !!! don't hesitate to double check my math - I used XL,
and
> you know there are bugs there. Also, maybe I have the wrong linear
expansion
> coefficients.
Amit,
The "large hole with the rubber bushing" concept sounds good. In fact if I'm
not mistaken this is the way TeamRocket has you do their canopy attachment.
Based on the creaking sounds my canopy & frame make as they're heating up or
cooling off just sitting in the hangar I wish I had looked into such a
method.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 336 hrs
Home Wing VAF
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--> RV-List message posted by: <PASSPAT@aol.com>
Please see the attached file for details.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: My details |
--> RV-List message posted by: <3Cjsflyrv@earthlink.net>
See the attached file for details
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| Subject: | Re: how to reach the last ramaing rivets on the elevator? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I made my own tapered bucking bar. Details are at
http://www.vansairforce.org/projects/mchenryt/tips/
under "Riveting in Tight Places."
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Casper,
I did as you suggested and went back and read your post (developing a
long-winded apology along the way :-) )
But ... I was responding to your question of whether people were getting
cold feet. I understood that yours had arrived early, whcih I thought was aa
"good thing".
All I was **TRYING** to say is that if they are shipping EARLY now, it MAY
be for a POSITIVE (good) reason in that they MAY be catching up etc.
Don't think I implied that YOU were getting cold feet. Why would you, you
have yours early. You should have warm fuzzies. :-)
James
... chillin'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Garry Legare
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:09 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Upgrade to IFR
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>
> James,
> Geez guy read my post again, I said are people getting cold feet . I
> didn't say I was getting cold feet. When Julie asked if I wanted to move
> up the line I would have just said NO. In over 25 years of experimental
> aircraft building and flying I've done more than my fair share of "Beta
> Testing", most recently the Whirlwind 150 propellor. You need to "chill
> dude".
> Casper
>
> James E. Clark wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
> <james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> >How about thinking the potential positive side of it ...
> >
> >They **MIGHT** be ramping up production and catching up on the
> backlog. :-)
> >
> >Also aren't you happier that it turned out in the calendar order
> it did? :-)
> >
> >I don't think ANYBODY is getting cold feet over this unit.
> >
> >James
> >... just an opinion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Bernie (and others),
This has the **LOOK AND FEEL** of a virus.
I have received several of these from different sources ... some WITH the
attachment (not via the RV_List).
I have NOT opened any as it feels awfully suspicious. You might want to be
careful.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of WALTER KERR
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:14 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Your details
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
>
> No files can be attached on the list.
>
> Bernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ferrergm@bellsouth.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:50 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Your details
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: <ferrergm@bellsouth.net>
>
> See the attached file for details
>
>
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| Subject: | RV6A for sale (structurally complete) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Daniel Wiesel" <dan@interlinkrecruiting.com>
Dear Listers,
I have decided to sell my RV6A project. Unfortunately, I no longer have the
time to devote to the project. My project is a QuickBuild Kit that is
Structurally Complete. It needs only avionics, upholstery, paint and
finishing.
I have bought all the best equipment from Van's and others for it, I never
intended to sell it.
New 360 engine, new prop, Sam James cowl, plenum, speed mods etc, Infinity
grips, B&C alternator, and the list goes on.
I am in Florida, but the plane is easily transportable since everything is
still removable with ease.
Please go to www.aso.com under the experimental category for a complete list
and picture if you are interested, and give me a call or email at:
Dan Wiesel
954-467-6650
dan@interlinkrecruiting.com
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
Huh??? Carbon steel will play havoc with Stainless steel but I've never
heard that steel on aluminum will cause corrosion, nor can I imagine the
mechanism that would cause this. Please explain. I know there has been
some discussion on some form of chemical reaction between steel and aluminum
but I don't remember it being corrosion related.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
>
> Jerry wilken
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:RV-6 slider windscreen |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
Try this...
http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=373
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DWENSING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:RV-6 slider windscreen
> --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/18/03 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Oldsfolks@aol.com writes:
>
>
> > you should follow Van's plans and put the aluminum clips in
> > place as Stein said.This adds hold-down power.
> >
>
> Does anyone have a picture of these "clips" on there web site?
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
I used the word rust because i couldn't spell electrolysis. which is a
chemical change produced by an electric current. which is a form of corrosion
i
guess.
jerry wilken
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--> RV-List message posted by: <bert6@mybluelight.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Wicked screensaver |
--> RV-List message posted by: <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
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--> RV-List message posted by: <BBreckenridge@att.net>
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custsvc@aircraftspruce.com
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
I have read horror stories about Aircraft Spruce on the RV List in the past. About
a year ago, one of the RV List members had a problem with ACS and called the
president of the company, Jim Irwin. He reported back to the list that Mr.
Irwin took care of the problem and went "above and beyond" for him. I mention
this, because it swayed me to do business with ACS recently.
I used their web site to order all the parts. I had a copy of their 2002/2003
catalog as well. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of the items I ordered
had gone DOWN in price compared to the catalog. All the items I ordered
were in stock. Ordering on line let me know that before the order was complete.
I received several email communications to let me know that ACS had received
and processed my order. The order arrived 3 days after it was placed. Everything
was there and "as advertised". Please count me as a satisfied customer. I'll
be placing another order with them this weekend.
FYI I price shopped for all this stuff. ACS has the hands down best prices on
AN hydraulic fittings. The "auto racing" places don't even come close. I have
ordered parts from ACS's competitor Wicks in the past. I've always been happy
with them as well. I placed an order with Wicks the same day I placed my ACS order.
I had numerous problems using Wicks web site to order. I finally gave up
and had to call them to place the order. So ACS scores a #1 with their web site
as well. I hope this all gets straightened out for Mr. Seemann. I suspect that
the problem is with the shipper or customs.
Charlie Kuss
RV-8A cockpit systems stuff. I'm finally to the part of this project where the
real fun starts! :-)
Boca Raton, Florida, USA
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <villi.seemann@nordea.com>
>
>Dear listers
>
>The thread about Sky-Tec and their customer support, made me think of this forum
as a lever to Aircraft Spruce.
>I have one month ago ordered some parts from Aircraft Spruce (ASS) via e-mail,
and today 33 days later, I have seen none of them.
>I live in Denmark, Europe and I accept and expect some delay. The same day as
I ordered the goods, I got an automatic confirmation of order.
>Three days later came an automatic note of shipment. Since then I have sent 4-5
emails to "info@aircraftspruce.com" but with only one useless reply, re-stating
the goods was shipped.
>
>Does any of you listers know of a way to communicate (by e-mail preferably) to
the management at ASS, as their "info" address doesn't seem to be backed for
anything other than orders. At least complains are never responded to. I only
know that single e-mail address into ASS, and that is of no good use to me.
>
>
>Best regards
>Villi H. Seemann
>Sen. Eng. BSEE
>Telephony Team
>Infrastructure, Network
>Phone (+45) 3333 2101
>Cell ph. (+45) 2220 7690
>FAX (+45) 3333 1130
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I received one of these WITH THE VIRUS ATTACHED that was spoofing the RV Canada
List address. For all practical purposes it appeared to be from the RV Canada
List. So you could receive one that looked like it was from the RV List but
had the virus attached.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Its called electrolysis. Basically the combining of two dissimilar metals.
The most common electrolysis seen in the past and still today is a
aluminium cylinder head on a cast iron block. I have seen (240Z) head
gaskets fail due to the aluminium getting eaten away like you would not
beleive. Adding water to the mix does not help the situation.
At 02:39 PM 8/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>Huh??? Carbon steel will play havoc with Stainless steel but I've never
>heard that steel on aluminum will cause corrosion, nor can I imagine the
>mechanism that would cause this. Please explain. I know there has been
>some discussion on some form of chemical reaction between steel and aluminum
>but I don't remember it being corrosion related.
>
>Godspeed,
>
>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
>http://www.myrv7.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>>
>> Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
>>
>> Jerry wilken
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Only Navigation |
--> RV-List message posted by: MStudio828@aol.com
If my GPS ever fails, I will : 1) Declare an emergency
2) Land
3) Go buy another one
Do not archive
Larry Mcconnell
RV-8, 100 hrs
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| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
NON RV Related
I have to assume that the five or six emails a day that I have been getting
from the RV List lately
that contain only the line:
****************
Please see the attached file for details.
****************
are because the member's computer has been attacked by the worm that very
one is talking about.
I know the List removes any attached files.
Hopefully, you haven't gotten any from me (I rather to lucky than good).
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA 92307
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--> RV-List message posted by: <stein@steinair.com>
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| Subject: | Re: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I thought electrolysis is what you did when you had hair removed?! :D
Galvanic potential isn't that great between 2000 series Al and carbon steel.
IMVHO, it's not much of a threat. Only slightly greater between pure Al
and cast iron and carbon steel.
The water is a must for galvanic corrosion (electrolysis). It, with a salt
or other impurity, would be the electrolyte.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month.
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--> RV-List message posted by: <RVer273sb@aol.com>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I bought a VM1000 from them and then realized that if I had bought it from
Van's I would have saved on the taxes. I asked them if they would refund
the difference AND THEY DID!!!!! I order from them all the time, order
today get it tomorrow, (I live close) great service.
At 04:24 PM 8/20/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
>
>I have read horror stories about Aircraft Spruce on the RV List in the past.
>About a year ago, one of the RV List members had a problem with ACS and
>called the president of the company, Jim Irwin. He reported back to the list
>that Mr. Irwin took care of the problem and went "above and beyond" for him.
>I mention this, because it swayed me to do business with ACS recently.
> I used their web site to order all the parts. I had a copy of their
>2002/2003 catalog as well. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of
>the items I ordered had gone DOWN in price compared to the catalog. All the
>items I ordered were in stock. Ordering on line let me know that before the
>order was complete. I received several email communications to let me know
>that ACS had received and processed my order. The order arrived 3 days after
>it was placed. Everything was there and "as advertised". Please count me as
>a satisfied customer. I'll be placing another order with them this weekend.
>FYI I price shopped for all this stuff. ACS has the hands down best prices
>on AN hydraulic fittings. The "auto racing" places don't even come close. I
>have ordered parts from ACS's competitor Wicks in the past. I've always been
>happy with them as well. I placed an order with Wicks the same day I placed
>my ACS order. I had numerous problems using Wicks web site to order. I
>finally gave up and had to call them to place the order. So ACS scores a #1
>with their web site as well. I hope this all gets straightened out for Mr.
>Seemann. I suspect that the problem is with the shipper or customs.
>Charlie Kuss
>RV-8A cockpit systems stuff. I'm finally to the part of this project where
>the real fun starts! :-)
>Boca Raton, Florida, USA
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <villi.seemann@nordea.com>
>>
>>Dear listers
>>
>>The thread about Sky-Tec and their customer support, made me think of this
>forum as a lever to Aircraft Spruce.
>>I have one month ago ordered some parts from Aircraft Spruce (ASS) via
>e-mail, and today 33 days later, I have seen none of them.
>>I live in Denmark, Europe and I accept and expect some delay. The same day
>as I ordered the goods, I got an automatic confirmation of order.
>>Three days later came an automatic note of shipment. Since then I have sent
>4-5 emails to "info@aircraftspruce.com" but with only one useless reply,
>re-stating the goods was shipped.
>>
>>Does any of you listers know of a way to communicate (by e-mail preferably)
>to the management at ASS, as their "info" address doesn't seem to be backed
>for anything other than orders. At least complains are never responded to. I
>only know that single e-mail address into ASS, and that is of no good use to
>me.
>>
>>
>>Best regards
>>Villi H. Seemann
>>Sen. Eng. BSEE
>>Telephony Team
>>Infrastructure, Network
>>Phone (+45) 3333 2101
>>Cell ph. (+45) 2220 7690
>>FAX (+45) 3333 1130
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Evaluating Used Tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I have an opportunity to buy some second-hand sheet metal tools from a former
employer. The company has asked me to come up with an estimate of the tools'
values, so that we can settle on a price (and so that they can justify said
price to the bean counters, I presume). I have no idea how to do that. I have
an idea what I'm willing to pay, but are there any accepted rules of thumb for
such a situation? I recall hearing many years ago that a value of X dollars
per pound was sometimes used to estimate the value of industrial equipment, but
I don't know if that's just heresay, and I have no idea what X is.
The tools are a 24-inch bending brake, a beverly shear, a Whitney punch (with
some dies), and a small arbor press.
Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org
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| Subject: | Dissimlar Metal Corrision |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Au Contraire, Mon Ami,
Steel and Aluminum are one of the most prolific tyes of metals to exhibit
dissimilar metal corrosion. One is a perfect anode and the other is a
perfect cathode. Without protection between the two, a bare piece of steel,
and bare aluminum will corrode in quick order. Being a civil engineer by
training, I can tell you we spent lot's of lab time examining this
phenomenon (albeit years ago), but maybe some chemical engineer on this list
will provide more details.
Now, for real world examples...having worked on many large boeings, I've
been able to experience this first hand. Engine Pylon fittings on the 757
ended up with severe corrosion because of this, as did the pylon fittings on
the 747. No need to go into detail, its very common with untreated metals,
but can be prevented with good surface treatment, even alodine.
Sorry I don't have the chemical "di-electric" formulas, but suffice to say
it's a real world issue.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
Minneapolis.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
Huh??? Carbon steel will play havoc with Stainless steel but I've never
heard that steel on aluminum will cause corrosion, nor can I imagine the
mechanism that would cause this. Please explain. I know there has been
some discussion on some form of chemical reaction between steel and aluminum
but I don't remember it being corrosion related.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
>
> Jerry wilken
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Your application |
--> RV-List message posted by: <rdcompton@earthlink.net>
Please see the attached file for details.
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custsvc@aircraftspruce.com
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service |
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
Beware! The SAE JIC/AN 37 degree Aeroquip fittings that you get from those
"auto racing" stores are not the same as true AN fittings like the ones that
come with the pre-made hoses from VAN's. They look the same and are even
anodized the same color but the inside bore is MUCH smaller then the
aviation version.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Kuss [mailto:chaskuss@bellsouth.net]
custsvc@aircraftspruce.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: customer service
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
I have read horror stories about Aircraft Spruce on the RV List in the past.
About a year ago, one of the RV List members had a problem with ACS and
called the president of the company, Jim Irwin. He reported back to the list
that Mr. Irwin took care of the problem and went "above and beyond" for him.
I mention this, because it swayed me to do business with ACS recently.
I used their web site to order all the parts. I had a copy of their
2002/2003 catalog as well. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of
the items I ordered had gone DOWN in price compared to the catalog. All the
items I ordered were in stock. Ordering on line let me know that before the
order was complete. I received several email communications to let me know
that ACS had received and processed my order. The order arrived 3 days after
it was placed. Everything was there and "as advertised". Please count me as
a satisfied customer. I'll be placing another order with them this weekend.
FYI I price shopped for all this stuff. ACS has the hands down best prices
on AN hydraulic fittings. The "auto racing" places don't even come close. I
have ordered parts from ACS's competitor Wicks in the past. I've always been
happy with them as well. I placed an order with Wicks the same day I placed
my ACS order. I had numerous problems using Wicks web site to order. I
finally gave up and had to call them to place the order. So ACS scores a #1
with their web site as well. I hope this all gets straightened out for Mr.
Seemann. I suspect that the problem is with the shipper or customs.
Charlie Kuss
RV-8A cockpit systems stuff. I'm finally to the part of this project where
the real fun starts! :-)
Boca Raton, Florida, USA
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <villi.seemann@nordea.com>
>
>Dear listers
>
>The thread about Sky-Tec and their customer support, made me think of this
forum as a lever to Aircraft Spruce.
>I have one month ago ordered some parts from Aircraft Spruce (ASS) via
e-mail, and today 33 days later, I have seen none of them.
>I live in Denmark, Europe and I accept and expect some delay. The same day
as I ordered the goods, I got an automatic confirmation of order.
>Three days later came an automatic note of shipment. Since then I have sent
4-5 emails to "info@aircraftspruce.com" but with only one useless reply,
re-stating the goods was shipped.
>
>Does any of you listers know of a way to communicate (by e-mail preferably)
to the management at ASS, as their "info" address doesn't seem to be backed
for anything other than orders. At least complains are never responded to. I
only know that single e-mail address into ASS, and that is of no good use to
me.
>
>
>Best regards
>Villi H. Seemann
>Sen. Eng. BSEE
>Telephony Team
>Infrastructure, Network
>Phone (+45) 3333 2101
>Cell ph. (+45) 2220 7690
>FAX (+45) 3333 1130
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wicked screensaver |
--> RV-List message posted by: <eregensburg@triad.rr.com>
Please see the attached file for details.
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| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!" These
are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
do not archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Gummo [SMTP:t.gummo@verizon.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> NON RV Related
>
> I have to assume that the five or six emails a day that I have been
> getting
> from the RV List lately
> that contain only the line:
>
> ****************
> Please see the attached file for details.
> ****************
>
> are because the member's computer has been attacked by the worm that very
> one is talking about.
> I know the List removes any attached files.
>
> Hopefully, you haven't gotten any from me (I rather to lucky than good).
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA 92307
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a few dozen
emails today about my details or a wicked screensaver or thankyou. Many of
these are supposedly from list members. Now I've received notification that
my emails to others about details have been rejected, except that I've sent no
such e-mails. As I've not opened any of these and my virus protection is up to
date, I can say IT WASN'T ME! These are hitting both my home email Haywire and
work email.
One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the last few days
due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time finding enough card
decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
do not archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
<A HREF"http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm" TARGET"_blank">http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
Imagination is more important than knowledge
-Albert Einstein
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Gummo [SMTP:t.gummo@verizon.net]
Subject: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
-- RV-List message posted by: Tom Gummo t.gummo@verizon.net
NON RV Related
I have to assume that the five or six emails a day that I have been getting
from the RV List lately
that contain only the line:
****************
Please see the attached file for details.
****************
are because the member's computer has been attacked by the worm that very
one is talking about.
I know the List removes any attached files.
Hopefully, you haven't gotten any from me (I rather to lucky than good).
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA 92307
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<rv8-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nick N" <rvator@nicknaf.com>
I've notice the same thing. I try to do a decent job of protecting my
systems, yet somehow 2 worms got in. I used a program call SysClean to
clean it back up.
If you want a copy, go to Google and do a search or you can Download it
from me directly.
http://www.nicknaf.com/files/sysClean.zip
Its freeware from the manufacture (sorry, don't remember the name off
hand) so there should NOT be a problem with distribution.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Subject: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
NON RV Related
I have to assume that the five or six emails a day that I have been
getting
from the RV List lately
that contain only the line:
****************
Please see the attached file for details.
****************
are because the member's computer has been attacked by the worm that
very
one is talking about.
I know the List removes any attached files.
Hopefully, you haven't gotten any from me (I rather to lucky than good).
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA 92307
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
FYI! I have gotten several also with the virus embedded somehow, but my
good old trusty Norton Anti-Virus got them. Glenn in Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> NON RV Related
>
> I have to assume that the five or six emails a day that I have been
getting
> from the RV List lately
> that contain only the line:
>
> ****************
> Please see the attached file for details.
> ****************
>
> are because the member's computer has been attacked by the worm that very
> one is talking about.
> I know the List removes any attached files.
>
> Hopefully, you haven't gotten any from me (I rather to lucky than good).
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA 92307
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
There are many places where one is not allowed to use the same grinder
for ALU and steel. Mixed inthe right proportions aluminum powder and
rust form a substance called thermite. Thermite is not known to self
ignite, but, on occasion it does happen. Thermite is used amongst others
to make railroad welds.
Stein Bruch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Au Contraire, Mon Ami,
>
> Steel and Aluminum are one of the most prolific tyes of metals to exhibit
> dissimilar metal corrosion. One is a perfect anode and the other is a
> perfect cathode. Without protection between the two, a bare piece of steel,
> and bare aluminum will corrode in quick order. Being a civil engineer by
> training, I can tell you we spent lot's of lab time examining this
> phenomenon (albeit years ago), but maybe some chemical engineer on this list
> will provide more details.
>
> Now, for real world examples...having worked on many large boeings, I've
> been able to experience this first hand. Engine Pylon fittings on the 757
> ended up with severe corrosion because of this, as did the pylon fittings on
> the 747. No need to go into detail, its very common with untreated metals,
> but can be prevented with good surface treatment, even alodine.
>
> Sorry I don't have the chemical "di-electric" formulas, but suffice to say
> it's a real world issue.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> Minneapolis.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> Huh??? Carbon steel will play havoc with Stainless steel but I've never
> heard that steel on aluminum will cause corrosion, nor can I imagine the
> mechanism that would cause this. Please explain. I know there has been
> some discussion on some form of chemical reaction between steel and aluminum
> but I don't remember it being corrosion related.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>>
>> Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
>>
>>Jerry wilken
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: issue riveting firewall hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Dan,
I read your post THOROUGHLY so I know what your looking for. I felt the same
as you regarding use of blind rivets and NOT wanting to remove the
engine/mount as it required a helping hand to hold back the mount bolts.......so:
I made a bucking bar just for this application out of a 5 or 6 inch long hunk
of steel about 3/4" X 3/4". I made a cutout or groove in one end so it would
'hook' around the back or the engine mount. It worked great and saved me a lot
of grief....plus I felt better about the rivets I used. I'll be more than
happy to mail it to ya' if you have trouble making one. Just give me a yell and
it's on the way!
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> PRE-PUNCHED strikes again! I think I might have built myself into a corner
> here, although I'm sure there's a simple solution I just can't think of
> since it's getting late and I'm tired.
>
> I just drilled the side hinge to my firewall (lower cowl hinge), but I don't
> see how I'm going to be able to squeeze the shop head on the bottom 5 to 7
> or so rivets. Here's a photo illustrating the issue:
>
> http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030819_hinge_riveting_issue.jpg
>
> The problem is that the engine is already installed, the plane's on gear,
> etc., and there's no way a squeezer and set will fit between the vertical
> engine mount side tube and the firewall flange.
>
> Now...of course if this WASN'T a pre-punched kit, I could have just drilled
> the rivet holes in the "empty" slots of the hinge and used a no-hole
> thin-nose yoke to squeeze 'em. But my fuselage skin already had the holes
> in it, so what am I to do?
>
> I really don't want to use blind rivets in there, and I don't think I can
> buck 'em, even with a tiny/funky bucking bar. And I'm *definitely* not
> taking the engine &mount off.
>
> I can't be the first person to have had this issue...what do you suggest?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Gert wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> There are many places where one is not allowed to use the same grinder
> for ALU and steel. Mixed inthe right proportions aluminum powder and
> rust form a substance called thermite. Thermite is not known to self
> ignite, but, on occasion it does happen. Thermite is used amongst others
> to make railroad welds.
I was wondering if this would come up again in this thread. I've seen
it mentioned that a builder somewhere had his grinder explode on him due
to aluminum and steel shavings mixing and forming thermite. My
recollection was that it happened somewhere on the west coast, possibly
Vancouver.
I've heard it mentioned enough times with similar details that I doubt
it's a complete fabrication, but i've been unable to find out who the
builder was so I could try and get more info. In mentioning the story
to a few of the old-timers around the airport, most of them instantly
replied that the story was hogwash and that it "couldn't happen."
Can anyone substantiate it?
Rob
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>
> I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
> few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
> "thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
> received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
> rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
> these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!"
These
> are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada
the
> last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
> finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> S. Todd Bartrim
> Turbo 13B
> RX-9endurance
> C-FSTB
I'm getting the same thing, Todd. Including notices that messages I had
supposedly sent had been rejected for containing a virus, which I also did
not send. I have Norton Anti Virus that scans every message I send out as
well as the ones I receive. Looks like they must have gotten ahold of the
master RV-List someplace. I have seen none on our FlyRotary List.
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC.
Do Not Archive
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"Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book" (Aug 20, 4:40pm)
| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>--------------
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>I'm getting the same thing, Todd. Including notices that messages I had
>supposedly sent had been rejected for containing a virus, which I also did
>not send. I have Norton Anti Virus that scans every message I send out as
>well as the ones I receive. Looks like they must have gotten ahold of the
>master RV-List someplace. I have seen none on our FlyRotary List.
>
>Ed Anderson
>Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>Matthews, NC.
>
>Do Not Archive
>--------------
Just FYI, I do not believe the master RV-List was "compromised" per say.
What it appears to do is look for messages in a person's email box and
sends the virus to them. So, anyone that posted in recent history is likely
to be a target.
I put a filter in earlier today that should keep most of the messages
off the List. In no case would the actual virus be included in a message
that actually originated from the Matronics system. If the email message
has an attachment, then it came directly from someone with the virus.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| Subject: | Dissimlar Metal Corrision |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Is there any problem with product like JB Weld and aluminum as I
think it has some steel in it? The manufacture says it's ok.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dissimlar Metal Corrision
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
There are many places where one is not allowed to use the same grinder
for ALU and steel. Mixed inthe right proportions aluminum powder and
rust form a substance called thermite. Thermite is not known to self
ignite, but, on occasion it does happen. Thermite is used amongst others
to make railroad welds.
Stein Bruch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Au Contraire, Mon Ami,
>
> Steel and Aluminum are one of the most prolific tyes of metals to
exhibit
> dissimilar metal corrosion. One is a perfect anode and the other is a
> perfect cathode. Without protection between the two, a bare piece of
steel,
> and bare aluminum will corrode in quick order. Being a civil engineer
by
> training, I can tell you we spent lot's of lab time examining this
> phenomenon (albeit years ago), but maybe some chemical engineer on
this list
> will provide more details.
>
> Now, for real world examples...having worked on many large boeings,
I've
> been able to experience this first hand. Engine Pylon fittings on the
757
> ended up with severe corrosion because of this, as did the pylon
fittings on
> the 747. No need to go into detail, its very common with untreated
metals,
> but can be prevented with good surface treatment, even alodine.
>
> Sorry I don't have the chemical "di-electric" formulas, but suffice to
say
> it's a real world issue.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> Minneapolis.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil
Birkelbach
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> Huh??? Carbon steel will play havoc with Stainless steel but I've
never
> heard that steel on aluminum will cause corrosion, nor can I imagine
the
> mechanism that would cause this. Please explain. I know there has
been
> some discussion on some form of chemical reaction between steel and
aluminum
> but I don't remember it being corrosion related.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>>
>> Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
>>
>>Jerry wilken
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum - long but important - correction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
Just for the archives, I re-checked the numbers and I have one typo:
So, per 40 degrees Fahrenheit, which is the difference between a 90 deg day
and a 50 deg night, per 30 inches, which is more or less the length of the
tipup part, the Plexi will change in length 0.0492", while the aluminum will
do 0.1548".
----------------
should read:
"......the Plexi will change in length 0.0492", while the aluminum will
do 0.01548".
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There is another zero there.
Amit.
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| Subject: | Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Don't know about 'shavings' but finely mixed powder of the two is used
every day in big welding jobs.
Never heard about grinders exploding because of this, but, I defenitely
heard, and investigated, spontanious combustions inside shopvacs, etc.,
for my work.
I do forensics for a large insurance company. part of the training we go
through is stuff like that for risk assesment in business environments.
other stuff is finding what happened 'after the fact'.
Rob Prior wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> Gert wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>>
>>There are many places where one is not allowed to use the same grinder
>>for ALU and steel. Mixed inthe right proportions aluminum powder and
>>rust form a substance called thermite. Thermite is not known to self
>>ignite, but, on occasion it does happen. Thermite is used amongst others
>>to make railroad welds.
>>
>
> I was wondering if this would come up again in this thread. I've seen
> it mentioned that a builder somewhere had his grinder explode on him due
> to aluminum and steel shavings mixing and forming thermite. My
> recollection was that it happened somewhere on the west coast, possibly
> Vancouver.
>
> I've heard it mentioned enough times with similar details that I doubt
> it's a complete fabrication, but i've been unable to find out who the
> builder was so I could try and get more info. In mentioning the story
> to a few of the old-timers around the airport, most of them instantly
> replied that the story was hogwash and that it "couldn't happen."
>
> Can anyone substantiate it?
>
> Rob
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dissimlar Metal Corrision |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
I guess it would be, one needs ferrous oxide to make thermite. Your
steel and iron grindings tend to oxidize when they are knocked off by
the grinding wheel (sparking stuff).
The iron binds with oxigen to form rust. during the reaction with
aluminum, the aluminum reacts with the oxigen and the iron is reduced
back out. It is this iron which tends to form a molted puddle in
thermite welding and weld whatever yer welding together. During this
process a tremendous amount of heat is generated, enough to weld large
steel parts which would otherwise sink/conduct to much heat away for
proper welding.
There, more than you ever wanted to know, if you need more info do a
search for thermite welding in google...........
Gert
J. R. Dial wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
>
>
> Is there any problem with product like JB Weld and aluminum as I
> think it has some steel in it? The manufacture says it's ok.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dissimlar Metal Corrision
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> There are many places where one is not allowed to use the same grinder
> for ALU and steel. Mixed inthe right proportions aluminum powder and
> rust form a substance called thermite. Thermite is not known to self
> ignite, but, on occasion it does happen. Thermite is used amongst others
>
> to make railroad welds.
>
>
> Stein Bruch wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>>
>>Au Contraire, Mon Ami,
>>
>>Steel and Aluminum are one of the most prolific tyes of metals to
>>
> exhibit
>
>>dissimilar metal corrosion. One is a perfect anode and the other is a
>>perfect cathode. Without protection between the two, a bare piece of
>>
> steel,
>
>>and bare aluminum will corrode in quick order. Being a civil engineer
>>
> by
>
>>training, I can tell you we spent lot's of lab time examining this
>>phenomenon (albeit years ago), but maybe some chemical engineer on
>>
> this list
>
>>will provide more details.
>>
>>Now, for real world examples...having worked on many large boeings,
>>
> I've
>
>>been able to experience this first hand. Engine Pylon fittings on the
>>
> 757
>
>>ended up with severe corrosion because of this, as did the pylon
>>
> fittings on
>
>>the 747. No need to go into detail, its very common with untreated
>>
> metals,
>
>>but can be prevented with good surface treatment, even alodine.
>>
>>Sorry I don't have the chemical "di-electric" formulas, but suffice to
>>
> say
>
>>it's a real world issue.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Stein Bruch
>>Minneapolis.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil
>>
> Birkelbach
>
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>>
>>Huh??? Carbon steel will play havoc with Stainless steel but I've
>>
> never
>
>>heard that steel on aluminum will cause corrosion, nor can I imagine
>>
> the
>
>>mechanism that would cause this. Please explain. I know there has
>>
> been
>
>>some discussion on some form of chemical reaction between steel and
>>
> aluminum
>
>>but I don't remember it being corrosion related.
>>
>>Godspeed,
>>
>>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Canopy
>>http://www.myrv7.com
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>>>
>>>Don't mix metals. Steel will rust aluminum.
>>>
>>>Jerry wilken
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Bartrim, Todd wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>
>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!" These
>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>
>do not archive
>
>
>S. Todd Bartrim
>
>
Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
said they were from you.
You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
address. It does it on its own.
Jerry
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>
>Bartrim, Todd wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>>
>>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
>>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
>>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
>>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
>>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
>>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!" These
>>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
>> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
>>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
>>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>S. Todd Bartrim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
>said they were from you.
>You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
>address. It does it on its own.
>
>Jerry
>do not archive.
>
Did you trace the path that the email took all the way back to Todd's
server, or just look at the name displayed as 'from:'?
Anything at all can be inserted there by the actual sender of the
message, including your address or my address.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
>said they were from you.
>You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
>address. It does it on its own.
>
>Jerry
>do not archive.
Jerry,
Many of these latest viruses spoof the From address. I.e. they
change the From address in the e-mail to make it appear that they are
coming from another address found in the Address Book.
See: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f@mm.html
It says:
"From: Spoofed address (which means that the sender in the "From"
field is most likely not the real sender). The worm may also use the
address admin@internet.com as the sender. "
It is just like on rec.aviation.homebuilt. - you can't trust the From
address to be correct.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Jerry,
I think you missed a very important point. You can get a worm or a virus
sent to you in the name of someone who has absolutely nothing to do with
sending it. It most likely didn't come out of his computer at all. The
virus or worm found his address in someone else's address book - maybe
yours - and is sending out its crap in his name. It could and probably will
happen to you and to me (a virus will be sent in our name). I am running
Norton Anti virus that scans all incoming AND OUTGOING mail to insure it is
virus free, as many others are. If you get a virus in my name, it didn't
come from me or through my computer. Somewhere, somehow it got my name out
of someone's address book.
The virus alert websites are reporting that this is the worst virus week
ever. You don't dare even open an attachment from someone you know, unless
maybe they told you they were going to send it.
Do not archive
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Bartrim, Todd wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>
>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!"
These
>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>
>do not archive
>
>
>S. Todd Bartrim
>
>
Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
said they were from you.
You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
address. It does it on its own.
Jerry
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Charlie & Tupper England wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Jerry Springer wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>>
>>
>>Bartrim, Todd wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>>>
>>>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
>>>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
>>>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
>>>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
>>>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
>>>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!" These
>>>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
>>> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
>>>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
>>>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>S. Todd Bartrim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
>>said they were from you.
>>You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
>>address. It does it on its own.
>>
>>Jerry
>>do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Did you trace the path that the email took all the way back to Todd's
>server, or just look at the name displayed as 'from:'?
>Anything at all can be inserted there by the actual sender of the
>message, including your address or my address.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
If it looked like I said HE sent them personally that is wrong, but
someone, somewhere has his email address in their address book
the virus/worm has attached itself to that email address and sent it out
making it look like it originated from him.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
And you are right Terry I know that, just did not do a good job of
explaining it. :-(
Jerry
do not archive
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>Jerry,
>
>I think you missed a very important point. You can get a worm or a virus
>sent to you in the name of someone who has absolutely nothing to do with
>sending it. It most likely didn't come out of his computer at all. The
>virus or worm found his address in someone else's address book - maybe
>yours - and is sending out its crap in his name. It could and probably will
>happen to you and to me (a virus will be sent in our name). I am running
>Norton Anti virus that scans all incoming AND OUTGOING mail to insure it is
>virus free, as many others are. If you get a virus in my name, it didn't
>come from me or through my computer. Somewhere, somehow it got my name out
>of someone's address book.
>
>The virus alert websites are reporting that this is the worst virus week
>ever. You don't dare even open an attachment from someone you know, unless
>maybe they told you they were going to send it.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Terry
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>
>Bartrim, Todd wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>>
>>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
>>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
>>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
>>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
>>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
>>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!"
>>
>>
>These
>
>
>>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
>> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
>>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
>>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>S. Todd Bartrim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
>said they were from you.
>You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
>address. It does it on its own.
>
>Jerry
>do not archive.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GRT and cutting thermocouple wires |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Reuterskiold" <mtnflyr@attglobal.net>
Listers
Has anyone who has the GRT EIS cut/spliced the CHT/EGT thermocouple lead wires
to pass them through the firewall with a blukhead connector? I have read the
archives on the pros and cons of splicing the polarized thermocouple wires,
but would like to hear results from someone who has done it. All of my other
wires with the exception of main power are going through the bulkhead connector
and I would like to run the CHT/EGT the same way but not at the expense of accuracy
or reliability.
Thanks for any insight.
John Reuterskiold
RV7 N7VK (reserved) (wiring and plumbing)
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| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Guys....
As a offshoot of Jerry's question, if you don't already know how this virus
works, here it is:
The "worm" is sent as an attachment (.eml, etc..) in this case a .PIF. You
WON'T get infected if you don't open it. Once opened, the worm then goes to
your address book, and re-sends itself to everyone in your address book.
Here's the nifty thing though...it doesn't send the email "from you". It
selects names randomly from your address book and inserts that address into
the "from" line of the email. This is why many people, including myself
that aren't infected, supposedly end up sending messages to other people.
The worm simply inserts someone elses email address into the from line, even
though the address isn't the one sendint it. If you have a comprehensive
SMTP/POP/IP tracing program and you trace the emails back to their IP's
you'll see that 99.9% of them aren't sent from the people listed in the
"from" line. This is not the typical worm where you can tell who is
infected. Sometimes people are infected without knowing it.
One thing for sure, worms like this count on people who will open anything
in their email box, and don't have a good Anti-Virus program. If your virus
definitions are up to date, they would have already caught this thing, as
many peoples did. The sad thing is, there will ALWAYS be people who open
anything in their inbox, no matter how many times we tell them not to open
things they don't already know what they are.
Sorry to rant, but I really hate these things. They are propagated by
people not having Anti-Virus software (which only costs a few $$'s), and
naive people who open absolutely anything.
One last thing, if you think you are infected and don't have any Anti-Virus
software, all of the big sites (Symantec, Norton, etc..) have free "worm
removal tools" that you can run.
Cheers,
Stein "not infected" Bruch
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie & Tupper
England
Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>
>Bartrim, Todd wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
>>
>>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had a
>>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
>>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
>>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
>>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any of
>>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!"
These
>>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
>> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada the
>>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
>>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>S. Todd Bartrim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
>said they were from you.
>You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
>address. It does it on its own.
>
>Jerry
>do not archive.
>
Did you trace the path that the email took all the way back to Todd's
server, or just look at the name displayed as 'from:'?
Anything at all can be inserted there by the actual sender of the
message, including your address or my address.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Who's got the best price on the Skymap?
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Legare" <versadek@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>
> Scott,
> Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
> thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount kits
> available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash it
> out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never look
> at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
> Casper
>
> Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> >Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am
not
> >to interested in the bells and whistles
> >
> >
> >Scott Bilinski
> >Eng dept 305
> >Phone (858) 657-2536
> >Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Go to Http://www.sarc.com a Norton - Symantec site for information and free
system checks etc.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>
> One last thing, if you think you are infected and don't have any
Anti-Virus
> software, all of the big sites (Symantec, Norton, etc..) have free "worm
> removal tools" that you can run.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein "not infected" Bruch
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie & Tupper
> England
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
> <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> Jerry Springer wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> >
> >
> >Bartrim, Todd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
> >>
> >>I agree. It seems to have picked up someones address list as I have had
a
> >>few dozen emails today about my "details" or a "wicked screensaver" or
> >>"thankyou". Many of these are supposedly from list members. Now I've
> >>received notification that my emails to others about "details" have been
> >>rejected, except that I've sent no such e-mails. As I've not opened any
of
> >>these and my virus protection is up to date, I can say "IT WASN'T ME!"
> These
> >>are hitting both my home email "Haywire" and work email.
> >> One of these worms actually caused major delays with Air Canada
the
> >>last few days due to computer problems. They probably had a hard time
> >>finding enough card decks for the employees to play solitaire :-)
> >>
> >>do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >>S. Todd Bartrim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a couple that
> >said they were from you.
> >You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
> >address. It does it on its own.
> >
> >Jerry
> >do not archive.
> >
>
> Did you trace the path that the email took all the way back to Todd's
> server, or just look at the name displayed as 'from:'?
> Anything at all can be inserted there by the actual sender of the
> message, including your address or my address.
>
> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Oswego NY-KFZY Steak/Egg Breakfast and FAA seminar |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
Be there! Upcoming Breakfast Safety Seminar
On Saturday August 23, 2003, the Rochester Safety Program Office will present an
aviation safety seminar at the Oswego County Airport in Fulton, NY. KFZY.
This meeting is part of the Oswego County Airport Association Steak and Eggs Breakfast,
sponsored by The Oswego County Airport Association, The Flight School,
Caroline's Airport Diner, and The Oswego County Highway Department.
The Breakfast will start at 7 a.m. and the safety seminar will begin at 10 a.m.
and last until noon. Topics will include Inoperative Equipment as it applies
to aircraft air-worthiness, and Aircraft Owner Performed Maintenance. There
will be Door Prizes given at the FAA seminar.
Do not Archive
David McManmon
RV6 N58DM builder/Pilot
Oswego Co. Pilot Association Member
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| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Really?! So you must have sent this email. Or did you?
(Impersonating Jerry to prove a point)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Springer [mailto:jsflyrv@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:54 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>
> Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a
> couple that
> said they were from you.
> You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
> address. It does it on its own.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Thank You, Matt.
For not allowing attachment on your Lists. There is no way the worm or
virus was spread by any messages on the list.
Second, looks like your fix has even stopped the messages from even being
posted to the list.
Thanks again.
do not archive
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
PS - Sorry that I forgot to put do not archive on my first worm message to
the list. :-(
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Geez!! you guys are turning into a bunch of f ing morons. Who the f
you trying to prove a point to? Yourself that you
know how to do it? BFD... I know to impersonate, I know how to send
anonymously or use remailers if I wanted to. If you jokers worried
half as much about keeping your virus software up to date or even
loading and using an anti virus software we would not have
these types of discussions. No one said it could not be impersonated.
definitely do not archive this type of S t
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Really?! So you must have sent this email. Or did you?
>
>(Impersonating Jerry to prove a point)
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jerry Springer [mailto:jsflyrv@earthlink.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:54 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>>
>>Sorry Todd you cannot say it "WASN'T ME" I have received a
>>couple that
>>said they were from you.
>>You do not have to open or send this worm for it to attack you email
>>address. It does it on its own.
>>
>>Jerry
>>do not archive.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Scott,
There is nothing wrong with a backup GPS, but I wouldn't "fall back" on a
chart and compass. I'd rather have the chart out from the outset.
When my wife and I fly XC, we constantly cross check the sectional against
the GPS. We also drop breadcrumbs on the chart with a time stamp. If the
GPS poops out, we always know where we are on the chart. Now granted, this
may be overkill, but it is also fun, forces you to look outside and helps to
keem my wife from getting bored. She gets excited when she says, "hey thats
KXXX" and I look down at the moving map and she is correct".
I also use her to keep me sharp. As long as we aren't doing flight
following, and are in cruise flight, she has my permission to pull the
throttle and anounce "you just lost your engine, where will you land" It
really gets your attention in an RV4 when all you can see is the throttle
suddenly move (rear seat linkage) Laura also has my OK once we are in
cruise to turn off the GPS and ask me to fly to a specific airport on our
route of flight without any electronic navigation.
Remember, any idiot can "navigate" with a moving map GPS. We should strive
to be better navigators than that.
Don Mei
p.s. Interesting thing happened to my GPS 195 yesterday. While flying,
for no apparent reason, it suddenly showed snow on the screen, then
performed a hard reset. It had to reinitialize itsself and all my
preferences, waypoints, etc were lost. No big deal. Biggest hassle was it
started pestering me with those damned "airspace" notifications.
Law that forbid ownership of arms disarm only those who are neither
inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage
than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed man. --Thomas Jefferson
Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
At the risk of propagating this thread even further...
Stein Bruch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> One thing for sure, worms like this count on people who will open anything
> in their email box, and don't have a good Anti-Virus program.
and
> Sorry to rant, but I really hate these things. They are propagated by
> people not having Anti-Virus software (which only costs a few $$'s), and
> naive people who open absolutely anything.
Actually, the major contributor to this whole problem is MicroSoft, who saw
fit to add the "feature" that is the "preview window" under Microsoft
Outlook, and gave it the default settings that execute all attachments in
that window.
Most unsuspecting users who get unknowingly infected by this virus probably
don't realize that their computer is set up *by default* to be open to
attack, because they're just operating with the default settings.
-Rob
Microsoft-Free since 1989, and continually amused by virus warnings...
Oh, and definitely, definitely, without a doubt,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Call around and be sure to tell them your shopping. Try to talk to the
owner or manager, as the GPS business has gotten very competitive. Two
years ago I paid about $1600. on a special deal. If your going to
homecoming Pacific Coast is on the field and has had a display at Vans
in the past.
Good hunting,
Casper
Wayne R. Couture wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
>
>Who's got the best price on the Skymap?
>
>Wayne
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Garry Legare" <versadek@earthlink.net>
>To: <versadek@earthlink.net>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Scott,
>>Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
>>thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount kits
>>available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash it
>>out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never look
>>at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
>>Casper
>>
>>Scott Bilinski wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>>>
>>>
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>
>>>Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am
>>>
>>>
>not
>
>
>>>to interested in the bells and whistles
>>>
>>>
>>>Scott Bilinski
>>>Eng dept 305
>>>Phone (858) 657-2536
>>>Pager (858) 502-5190
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Acrylic plexiglass vs. aluminum -Canopy expansion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <rob@robsglass.com>
Amit Dagan expressed concern over the stress from expansion over the temperature
range the canopies will see in normal use.
I have been considering gluing the canopy to the frame with an automotive urethane
adhesive .. This reportedly used with great success by a couple of builders
in South Africa, (I think).
Has anyone else on the list any experience or observations on this.
FYI the urethane adhesives of this type have moderate flexibility and great strength
- 500 psi or more. Primers for use with Plexi are available and I don't
believe that interaction with the acrylic is an issue.
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV (res) Fuselage
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| Subject: | Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Wayne,
I know alot of people mentioned the SkyMap IIIC vs the KMD 150, but note
that the KMD 150 can drive the autopilot directly. I am not sure if that is
the case with the IIIC.
In the two adjacent RV6's we have, one has the 150 and the other the IIIC.
I personally think the 150 is brighter.
The 150 has the ability to display Stormscope input (that might not be of
interest to you) and it has a "CDI" display mode. SO if you are really into
using the VOR-type displays, you can "goto" KXYZ and fly the needle.
The database card is right out front on the 150.
It is also easier to get a better rack fit with the 150 if that matters.
Just a few extra points if you are thinking along these lines.
If I had to choose between the two, I would choose the 150. (Guess which one
I fly behind).
**BUT** they are BOTH fine units.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne R. Couture
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:13 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
> <commando@cox-internet.com>
>
> Who's got the best price on the Skymap?
>
> Wayne
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garry Legare" <versadek@earthlink.net>
> To: <versadek@earthlink.net>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Scott,
> > Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
> > thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount kits
> > available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash it
> > out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never look
> > at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
> > Casper
> >
> > Scott Bilinski wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > >
> > >Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am
> not
> > >to interested in the bells and whistles
> > >
> > >
> > >Scott Bilinski
> > >Eng dept 305
> > >Phone (858) 657-2536
> > >Pager (858) 502-5190
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
That old wive's tale... my Outlook previews, including attachments, and
yet I remain virus free. Any good AV software will scan incoming files
by default before they get executed and, again by default, will alert on
suspicious files even if there is no specific virus detected; it's
called heuristic detection algorithms. I used to get occasional alerts
from my McAffee before my ISP started filtering at their servers. What
I see from most of my clients is that they have disabled the AV because
it was alerting due to normal-but-suspicious processes like uninstalling
a program or because they ignored an alert because the attachment came
from someone they knew (which later turned out to be spoofed).
The rules to staying virus-free are simple:
1) Install AV software and keep it up to date.
2) Do not disable the AV software (except when installing some programs
- they will tell you in the installation instructions; then enable it
again before going back online).
3) Think carefully before disregarding a virus alert. Think again.
Then get expert advice.
4) Never open an unexpected file, even if you know the sender, without
getting independent verification that the file is clean.
Caveat to #4, I have known people to unknowingly send infected files, so
it is still possible to receive a 'legitimate' infected file. However,
I have yet, in over 20 years, to see one that my AV software didn't
catch.
Finally, for all you Windows users, use the Windows Update feature. Not
only will this prevent some virus exploits, it will also block some
other networking holes that hackers use to access private computers.
Generally, as fast as the hackers find them MS is able to plug them.
For example, the server worm that clogged large parts of the Internet
last year would never have worked except many servers were not
up-to-date.
Patrick Kelley
Flion Consulting
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
At the risk of propagating this thread even further...
Stein Bruch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> One thing for sure, worms like this count on people who will open
anything
> in their email box, and don't have a good Anti-Virus program.
and
> Sorry to rant, but I really hate these things. They are propagated by
> people not having Anti-Virus software (which only costs a few $$'s),
and
> naive people who open absolutely anything.
Actually, the major contributor to this whole problem is MicroSoft, who
saw
fit to add the "feature" that is the "preview window" under Microsoft
Outlook, and gave it the default settings that execute all attachments
in
that window.
Most unsuspecting users who get unknowingly infected by this virus
probably
don't realize that their computer is set up *by default* to be open to
attack, because they're just operating with the default settings.
-Rob
Microsoft-Free since 1989, and continually amused by virus warnings...
Oh, and definitely, definitely, without a doubt,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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