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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.-Ebay (Dana Overall)
2. 05:37 AM - fun fun worms. (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
3. 07:46 AM - Electrolysis was "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels (Chris W)
4. 07:50 AM - electronic sectional charts (Frazier, Vincent A)
5. 07:53 AM - Sales Tax on your RV-3,4,6,6A,7,7A,8,8A,9,9A,10 (Ken Brooks)
6. 08:23 AM - Re: electronic sectional charts (Bill VonDane)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: issue riveting firewall hinge (kempthornes)
8. 09:24 AM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Chris W)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: fun fun worms. (Don Mack)
10. 10:25 AM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Bill VonDane)
11. 10:54 AM - pitch stability (Frazier, Vincent A)
12. 11:05 AM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Garry Legare)
13. 11:50 AM - Re: pitch stability (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
14. 01:33 PM - Water damage (Mark Phillips)
15. 01:52 PM - Re: pitch stability (Tom Gummo)
16. 01:53 PM - Pitot for sale on Ebay (Dwight Frye)
17. 02:14 PM - Shameless Ad: Bad Cat Aviation Opens--20% Off everything for RVers (Rob Miller)
18. 02:30 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Water damage (Mark Phillips)
19. 03:15 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Gert)
20. 04:16 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Wayne R. Couture)
21. 05:18 PM - Re: issue riveting firewall hinge (Dana Overall)
22. 06:29 PM - Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. (Rob A)
23. 08:55 PM - Re: Worm attack on members address book (Chris W)
24. 09:20 PM - AZ RV builders class (Thomas Velvick)
25. 11:03 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Water damage (Gil Alexander)
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.-Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Go to Ebay and type in "avionics" or Skymap III. I believe there is one for
sale with a "buy it now" for $1000.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month.
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Yee Haa!!!
I get in this morning to find over 140 messages like this, mostly "from"
list members I recognize.(not) All the previous comments about spoofing are
correct. My line of business is to actually test for this for clients so we
are pretty familiar with it. Expect several more days of this until
businesses get a handle on it and security chief's heads roll. Virtually all
virus software now will catch this worm, so it is just a matter of time till
it settles down.
Our security buzzhead here has not slept in 2 days, making sure "his" stuff
aint stinkin. (security buzzheads are very protective of their systems and
spend all night tracking down sources through some very hi tech methods. God
help the soul he points the finger at!). At any rate, hang on to your hats,
there is more to come for a while.
Mike Stewart
Glad I'm not in charge of corp. e-mail this week
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| Subject: | Electrolysis was "Degrooving" scotchbrite wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
> Its called electrolysis. Basically the combining of two dissimilar metals.
> The most common electrolysis seen in the past and still today is a
> aluminium cylinder head on a cast iron block. I have seen (240Z) head
> gaskets fail due to the aluminium getting eaten away like you would not
> beleive. Adding water to the mix does not help the situation.
I have some personal experience with that, although not directly aviation
related. I had a car with a steel bumper that was mounted to an aluminum sub
frame which was bolted to the steel frame of the car. Well one day someone hit
that bumper knocking it off. You could take the aluminum sub frame and crumble
it to dust in your hand. I always heard it refereed to as galvanic corrosion but
I guess either term works.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | electronic sectional charts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Who has a recommendation on where to get digital sectionals that I can put on my
laptop? Cost is an issue.... duh! Sure I can get the Jepp package for hundreds
of dollars, but is there a less expensive way other than manually scanning
each map?
do not archive yet
thanks vince
reply to
vfrazier@usi.edu
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| Subject: | Sales Tax on your RV-3,4,6,6A,7,7A,8,8A,9,9A,10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Dear -listers,
Sorry to have to dredge up such a morbid subject (again), but I have
some new info if you live/fly/register your project in Illinois. Not
all states are this punitive, but it might pay to check this out in your
state to verify. . .
Any purchases a builder makes from out of state from retailers (this
includes Van's kits, Cleaveland seats, Aerosport Power engines, etc.)
for which you don't pay sales tax are taxable in Illinois at 6.25%, and
if you don't pay this sales tax from day 1 and assume like I did that
you'll have to cough it up upon completion and registration of your
finished project, think again!
In a nutshell, here's what the Illinois State Use Tax law demands:
Every time you buy qualifying items from out of state retailers, compute
the sales tax. If this tax is less than $600.00 ($9600 purchase value)
in one calendar year, you may pay it annually. Once the computed tax
for a large item (engine) exceeds $600--, you have 30 days to send the
Dept. of Revenue a check and form ST-44. (See http://www.iltax.com )
Failure to do so makes you liable for penalties and interest!!
Illinois builders: The state is offering a "Penalty and Interest
Amnesty" program from October 1, 2003 to November 15, 2003. I was just
told yesterday on the phone by a Mr. Mark Russell at the Dept. of
Revenue that after this amnesty period, the state tax investigators (?)
will be "pursuing builders who are in non-compliance vigorously."
Don't ask me how you might be able to avoid paying state sales tax in
Illinois and possibly other states. I don't have time to research, but
wanted to give IL builders a head's up on this penalty and interest
amnesty thing in case they want to participate. If you do, simply add a
cover letter to your ST-44 form that states "I wish to participate in
the amnesty program that will waive penalties and interest for state
sales tax." As ASSININE as this may sound, Mr. Russell made it clear to
me that I should DEFINITELY NOT SEND THIS LETTER AND CHECK IN UNTIL
OCTOBER 1st, AS THE AMNESTY WOULD NOT BE IN EFFECT UNTIL THEN! Go
figure.
At least I have over a month to figure out where I'm going to come up
with $3,070.50! Tax on my beautiful new ASP IO-360-B1B6 is over $1300!
<8-(
Sure wish I had known about this in '97!
Ken Brooks
RV-8QB in progress - starting on canopy
N1903P reserved
How fortunate for governments that the people do not think -- Adolf
Hitler
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| Subject: | Re: electronic sectional charts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Hey Vince...
Try www.aeroplanner.com or
http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/smartchart.cfm
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Subject: RV-List: electronic sectional charts
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Who has a recommendation on where to get digital sectionals that I can put
on my laptop? Cost is an issue.... duh! Sure I can get the Jepp package
for hundreds of dollars, but is there a less expensive way other than
manually scanning each map?
do not archive yet
thanks vince
reply to
vfrazier@usi.edu
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| Subject: | Re: issue riveting firewall hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 06:49 PM 8/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
>
>Dan,
>I read your post THOROUGHLY so I know what your looking for. I felt the same
>as you regarding use of blind rivets
What is it that makes builders (nothing personal, Rick) so hate blind (pop)
rivets? They are aircraft parts, used on half a million dollar Bonanzas
and probably Lear jets. My feeling is that
* it is better to have a flying RV with pop rivets than an
abandoned project that simply took too long and was too frustrating.
* it is better to have a properly installed pop than a badly
installed solid
* a screw with nut or sheet metal screw while fine substitute for
solid is heavier than a pop.
Show me why I am wrong. (I'm flying, done three trips to OSH, pop rivets,
duct tape and all.)
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Stooping all these email worms is VERY easy and you don't need anti virus
software to do it. Just stop using the software that enables them; Outlook and
Outlook express. If you use an email client that doesn't have so called
"features" that makes writing email worms trivial then this problem wouldn't
exist.
Chris W
do not archive
Stein Bruch wrote:
> Guys....
>
> As a offshoot of Jerry's question, if you don't already know how this virus
> works, here it is:
>
> The "worm" is sent as an attachment (.eml, etc..) in this case a .PIF. You
> WON'T get infected if you don't open it. Once opened, the worm then goes to
> your address book, and re-sends itself to everyone in your address book.
>
> Here's the nifty thing though...it doesn't send the email "from you". It
> selects names randomly from your address book and inserts that address into
> the "from" line of the email. This is why many people, including myself
> that aren't infected, supposedly end up sending messages to other people.
> The worm simply inserts someone elses email address into the from line, even
> though the address isn't the one sendint it. If you have a comprehensive
> SMTP/POP/IP tracing program and you trace the emails back to their IP's
> you'll see that 99.9% of them aren't sent from the people listed in the
> "from" line. This is not the typical worm where you can tell who is
> infected. Sometimes people are infected without knowing it.
>
> One thing for sure, worms like this count on people who will open anything
> in their email box, and don't have a good Anti-Virus program. If your virus
> definitions are up to date, they would have already caught this thing, as
> many peoples did. The sad thing is, there will ALWAYS be people who open
> anything in their inbox, no matter how many times we tell them not to open
> things they don't already know what they are.
>
> Sorry to rant, but I really hate these things. They are propagated by
> people not having Anti-Virus software (which only costs a few $$'s), and
> naive people who open absolutely anything.
>
> One last thing, if you think you are infected and don't have any Anti-Virus
> software, all of the big sites (Symantec, Norton, etc..) have free "worm
> removal tools" that you can run.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein "not infected" Bruch
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
There is a free download from McAfee you can run to scan and clean drives.
It will clean the drive only, NOT protect against further infections.
http://vil.nai.com/vil/stinger/
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I don't buy this... I have been in the IT field for TOO MANY years managing
Windows, VMS, Unix, and Linux systems, and have been in charge of virus
protection for nearly 5000 nodes for that same amount of time... What you
have to consider is that ALL virus writers are looking for maximum exposure,
and will always gravitate toward writing viruses targeting Windows machines
because there are many, many more of them in use today that other
platforms... If things were different, i.e. mostly Mac users, or Linux
users, then virus writers would be targeting them and these user would have
the same problems...
It is so easy to protect yourself that I don't see why we all can't use any
product we want, especially the products that have the nice features...
Your RV would never get any bugs or dings or scratches if it stayed in the
hangar and you never flew it, but who the hell wants to do that?
Just my opinion...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Stooping all these email worms is VERY easy and you don't need anti virus
software to do it. Just stop using the software that enables them; Outlook
and
Outlook express. If you use an email client that doesn't have so called
"features" that makes writing email worms trivial then this problem wouldn't
exist.
Chris W
do not archive
Stein Bruch wrote:
> Guys....
>
> As a offshoot of Jerry's question, if you don't already know how this
virus
> works, here it is:
>
> The "worm" is sent as an attachment (.eml, etc..) in this case a .PIF.
You
> WON'T get infected if you don't open it. Once opened, the worm then goes
to
> your address book, and re-sends itself to everyone in your address book.
>
> Here's the nifty thing though...it doesn't send the email "from you". It
> selects names randomly from your address book and inserts that address
into
> the "from" line of the email. This is why many people, including myself
> that aren't infected, supposedly end up sending messages to other people.
> The worm simply inserts someone elses email address into the from line,
even
> though the address isn't the one sendint it. If you have a comprehensive
> SMTP/POP/IP tracing program and you trace the emails back to their IP's
> you'll see that 99.9% of them aren't sent from the people listed in the
> "from" line. This is not the typical worm where you can tell who is
> infected. Sometimes people are infected without knowing it.
>
> One thing for sure, worms like this count on people who will open anything
> in their email box, and don't have a good Anti-Virus program. If your
virus
> definitions are up to date, they would have already caught this thing, as
> many peoples did. The sad thing is, there will ALWAYS be people who open
> anything in their inbox, no matter how many times we tell them not to open
> things they don't already know what they are.
>
> Sorry to rant, but I really hate these things. They are propagated by
> people not having Anti-Virus software (which only costs a few $$'s), and
> naive people who open absolutely anything.
>
> One last thing, if you think you are infected and don't have any
Anti-Virus
> software, all of the big sites (Symantec, Norton, etc..) have free "worm
> removal tools" that you can run.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein "not infected" Bruch
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Mike,
Why do you say that the F-1 is pitch sensitive? The longer tailed (compared to
RV's) Harmon Rockets that I've been in were more stable in pitch than the RV-4,6
or 8s that I've flown. The F-1 is supposed to be a bit heavier in pitch than
the HR. What did I miss?
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF reserved,
<http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html>
SNIP
Yes, Yes, Yes,... IF, you plan on really putting some hours on her.
Especially since you have an F1. Even more pitch sensitive than the RV
series.
Mike Stewart
Do not archive
SNIP
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
The IIIC has exactly the same screen as the 150 and it will also drive
the auto pilot. It will however not do dishes.
Casper
James E. Clark wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
>Wayne,
>
>I know alot of people mentioned the SkyMap IIIC vs the KMD 150, but note
>that the KMD 150 can drive the autopilot directly. I am not sure if that is
>the case with the IIIC.
>
>In the two adjacent RV6's we have, one has the 150 and the other the IIIC.
>
>I personally think the 150 is brighter.
>
>The 150 has the ability to display Stormscope input (that might not be of
>interest to you) and it has a "CDI" display mode. SO if you are really into
>using the VOR-type displays, you can "goto" KXYZ and fly the needle.
>
>The database card is right out front on the 150.
>
>It is also easier to get a better rack fit with the 150 if that matters.
>
>Just a few extra points if you are thinking along these lines.
>
>If I had to choose between the two, I would choose the 150. (Guess which one
>I fly behind).
>
>**BUT** they are BOTH fine units.
>
>
>James
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne R. Couture
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:13 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
>><commando@cox-internet.com>
>>
>>Who's got the best price on the Skymap?
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Garry Legare" <versadek@earthlink.net>
>>To: <versadek@earthlink.net>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>>Scott,
>>>Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
>>>thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount kits
>>>available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash it
>>>out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never look
>>>at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
>>>Casper
>>>
>>>Scott Bilinski wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>>>>
>>>>
>><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>>
>>>>Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and am
>>>>
>>>>
>>not
>>
>>
>>>>to interested in the bells and whistles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Scott Bilinski
>>>>Eng dept 305
>>>>Phone (858) 657-2536
>>>>Pager (858) 502-5190
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Pitch stability was totally the wrong term. "Altitude challenged?" maybe? I
dunno, at any rate, altitude hold becomes more helpful the faster the speeds
are, is what I was getting at. That when zinging along at 230mph, altitude
comes and goes even more quickly when you are not pegged onto the altimeter.
Going to the extremes, in my Aeronca Chief, I could be completely out of
trim, and not really notice any big change in altitude for a while. An
altitude hold would be, for all practical purposes, useless in my Chief, and
required for say...the SR71 to stay w/I 100'.
Sorry for the use of pitch sensitive. Didn't mean to put a dig to the rocket
guys.
Course now that I think about it a bit more, my chief is also "altitude
challenged" since it has such trouble gaining any. Somebody got a better
term for what I am trying to convey?
Mike Stewart
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier@usi.edu]
Subject: RV-List: pitch stability
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Mike,
Why do you say that the F-1 is pitch sensitive? The longer tailed (compared
to RV's) Harmon Rockets that I've been in were more stable in pitch than the
RV-4,6 or 8s that I've flown. The F-1 is supposed to be a bit heavier in
pitch than the HR. What did I miss?
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF reserved,
<http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html>
SNIP
Yes, Yes, Yes,... IF, you plan on really putting some hours on her.
Especially since you have an F1. Even more pitch sensitive than the RV
series.
Mike Stewart
Do not archive
SNIP
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Aeroelectric List <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Looking for a good location for my Aeroflash strobe power supplies and
prefer outer ribs of wings and rear deck. Should I be concerned about
these boxes getting wet? As good as the tips and fairing may fit, I
seriously believe water will get in there at some point...
Mark- do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: pitch stability |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Hey Mike,
I thought it was just me.
I changed the baffle and oil cooler arrangement.
I was watching the gauges to make sure nothing bad was happening.
Every time I looked up, I was 100 to 200 feet higher than the altitude I was
trying to hold.
It is not a bad problem to have :-)
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket II - N561FS
----- Original Message -----
From: <mstewart@qa.butler.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: pitch stability
> --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
>
> Pitch stability was totally the wrong term. "Altitude challenged?" maybe?
I
> dunno, at any rate, altitude hold becomes more helpful the faster the
speeds
> are, is what I was getting at. That when zinging along at 230mph, altitude
> comes and goes even more quickly when you are not pegged onto the
altimeter.
> Going to the extremes, in my Aeronca Chief, I could be completely out of
> trim, and not really notice any big change in altitude for a while. An
> altitude hold would be, for all practical purposes, useless in my Chief,
and
> required for say...the SR71 to stay w/I 100'.
>
> Sorry for the use of pitch sensitive. Didn't mean to put a dig to the
rocket
> guys.
>
> Course now that I think about it a bit more, my chief is also "altitude
> challenged" since it has such trouble gaining any. Somebody got a better
> term for what I am trying to convey?
>
> Mike Stewart
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier@usi.edu]
> To: RV-List Digest (E-mail)
> Subject: RV-List: pitch stability
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
> Mike,
>
> Why do you say that the F-1 is pitch sensitive? The longer tailed
(compared
> to RV's) Harmon Rockets that I've been in were more stable in pitch than
the
> RV-4,6 or 8s that I've flown. The F-1 is supposed to be a bit heavier in
> pitch than the HR. What did I miss?
>
> Vince Frazier
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF reserved,
> <http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html>
>
>
> SNIP
> Yes, Yes, Yes,... IF, you plan on really putting some hours on her.
> Especially since you have an F1. Even more pitch sensitive than the RV
> series.
>
> Mike Stewart
> Do not archive
> SNIP
>
>
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| Subject: | Pitot for sale on Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
I have a pitot (and mount) purchased from Warren Gretz which I'm selling
on Ebay. This is the heated unit with the pitot and static ports on it.
I'm selling because I intend to go with the Dynon unit, and will want to
eventually use their pitot to gain the AOA functionality. Take a look at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=26439&item=2428977045
If you might be interested. Warren is no longer selling these units, and
the price from ACS is a _lot_ more than I need to get out of mine. For
someone who wants one of these pitots, it'll be a great deal. Thanks.
-- Dwight
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Shameless Ad: Bad Cat Aviation Opens--20% Off everything for |
RVers
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Water damage |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
As an afterthought, how about the Naviad servo as well- (wingtip
installation preferred) I doubt this is a "waterproof" device...
Mark do not archive
Mark Phillips wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
>
> Looking for a good location for my Aeroflash strobe power supplies and
> prefer outer ribs of wings and rear deck. Should I be concerned about
> these boxes getting wet? As good as the tips and fairing may fit, I
> seriously believe water will get in there at some point...
>
> Mark- do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Bill
That is not quite thrue. Part of the reason stuff is written for windows
is that it is so darn difficult to fix. I.e. ya must wait for Micro$oft
to make a patch available. think buffer overruns, etc. therefore a virus
can last a lot longer doing damage before the door is shut. An anti
virus program is a band-aid for an operating system that cannot take
care of itself.
Take Linux where source code is available, if a problem is detected,
there is plenty people out there who will fix it NOW, just as a
challange to their computing skills.
Micro$oft being an system based on 'allow all, deny some' has of course
opened the flood gates for itself with this strategy. Their long term
denial of known problems has not exactly endeared them to the IT world
for securety. It does help that out of the box macros are enabled in
email and that attachments are executed.
I used to make a good living in the IT world. I'd say 90 percent was
looking after microsoft, the rest was taken up by Linux, SCo unix, Open
DSB, Apple and some other graphix oriented operating systems.
Gert
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I don't buy this... I have been in the IT field for TOO MANY years managing
> Windows, VMS, Unix, and Linux systems, and have been in charge of virus
> protection for nearly 5000 nodes for that same amount of time... What you
> have to consider is that ALL virus writers are looking for maximum exposure,
> and will always gravitate toward writing viruses targeting Windows machines
> because there are many, many more of them in use today that other
> platforms... If things were different, i.e. mostly Mac users, or Linux
> users, then virus writers would be targeting them and these user would have
> the same problems...
>
> It is so easy to protect yourself that I don't see why we all can't use any
> product we want, especially the products that have the nice features...
> Your RV would never get any bugs or dings or scratches if it stayed in the
> hangar and you never flew it, but who the hell wants to do that?
>
> Just my opinion...
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Stooping all these email worms is VERY easy and you don't need anti virus
> software to do it. Just stop using the software that enables them; Outlook
> and
> Outlook express. If you use an email client that doesn't have so called
> "features" that makes writing email worms trivial then this problem wouldn't
> exist.
>
> Chris W
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Stein Bruch wrote:
>
>
>>Guys....
>>
>>As a offshoot of Jerry's question, if you don't already know how this
>>
> virus
>
>>works, here it is:
>>
>>The "worm" is sent as an attachment (.eml, etc..) in this case a .PIF.
>>
> You
>
>>WON'T get infected if you don't open it. Once opened, the worm then goes
>>
> to
>
>>your address book, and re-sends itself to everyone in your address book.
>>
>>Here's the nifty thing though...it doesn't send the email "from you". It
>>selects names randomly from your address book and inserts that address
>>
> into
>
>>the "from" line of the email. This is why many people, including myself
>>that aren't infected, supposedly end up sending messages to other people.
>>The worm simply inserts someone elses email address into the from line,
>>
> even
>
>>though the address isn't the one sendint it. If you have a comprehensive
>>SMTP/POP/IP tracing program and you trace the emails back to their IP's
>>you'll see that 99.9% of them aren't sent from the people listed in the
>>"from" line. This is not the typical worm where you can tell who is
>>infected. Sometimes people are infected without knowing it.
>>
>>One thing for sure, worms like this count on people who will open anything
>>in their email box, and don't have a good Anti-Virus program. If your
>>
> virus
>
>>definitions are up to date, they would have already caught this thing, as
>>many peoples did. The sad thing is, there will ALWAYS be people who open
>>anything in their inbox, no matter how many times we tell them not to open
>>things they don't already know what they are.
>>
>>Sorry to rant, but I really hate these things. They are propagated by
>>people not having Anti-Virus software (which only costs a few $$'s), and
>>naive people who open absolutely anything.
>>
>>One last thing, if you think you are infected and don't have any
>>
> Anti-Virus
>
>>software, all of the big sites (Symantec, Norton, etc..) have free "worm
>>removal tools" that you can run.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Stein "not infected" Bruch
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Thanks for the input but cost is a big factor right now and an autopilot is
out of the question.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> Wayne,
>
> I know alot of people mentioned the SkyMap IIIC vs the KMD 150, but note
> that the KMD 150 can drive the autopilot directly. I am not sure if that
is
> the case with the IIIC.
>
> In the two adjacent RV6's we have, one has the 150 and the other the IIIC.
>
> I personally think the 150 is brighter.
>
> The 150 has the ability to display Stormscope input (that might not be of
> interest to you) and it has a "CDI" display mode. SO if you are really
into
> using the VOR-type displays, you can "goto" KXYZ and fly the needle.
>
> The database card is right out front on the 150.
>
> It is also easier to get a better rack fit with the 150 if that matters.
>
> Just a few extra points if you are thinking along these lines.
>
> If I had to choose between the two, I would choose the 150. (Guess which
one
> I fly behind).
>
> **BUT** they are BOTH fine units.
>
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne R. Couture
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:13 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
> > <commando@cox-internet.com>
> >
> > Who's got the best price on the Skymap?
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Garry Legare" <versadek@earthlink.net>
> > To: <versadek@earthlink.net>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
> > > thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount
kits
> > > available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash
it
> > > out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never
look
> > > at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
> > > Casper
> > >
> > > Scott Bilinski wrote:
> > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> > <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > > >
> > > >Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and
am
> > not
> > > >to interested in the bells and whistles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Scott Bilinski
> > > >Eng dept 305
> > > >Phone (858) 657-2536
> > > >Pager (858) 502-5190
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: issue riveting firewall hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
>What is it that makes builders (nothing personal, Rick) so hate blind (pop)
>rivets? They are aircraft parts, used on half a million dollar Bonanzas
>and probably Lear jets. My feeling is that
>
> * it is better to have a flying RV with pop rivets than an
>abandoned project that simply took too long and was too frustrating.
>
>Show me why I am wrong. (I'm flying, done three trips to OSH, pop rivets,
>duct tape and all.)
I know this kind of thread does no good to builders so I probably shouldn't
partake but what the heck.
Builders are different and what some see as useless effort, some see as
ordinary trials to overcome. Rick has built a flying masterpiece that was
an award winner at Sun & Fun 2003. I believe it was Grand Champion, correct
me if I'm wrong. After seeing his website, and "talking" numerous times
with Dan, I am certain his 7 will be completed in a very timely manner and
will be very pleasing to the eye, in addition to meticulously constructed.
Sure, I have used pops but it is as a last resort. Sometimes I have had no
practical personal alternative other than a pop.
I have seen Rick's award winning RV, your RV but only pictures of Dan's.
I want mine to be pleasing to eye also so what some might say is unessential
work, I say is required by my standards. Hal, I am not pointing this at
you......yes, you do have a flying RV. No, you are not wrong, people just
have individual standards. It's a personal issue.
I told you guys, this was a useless post:-)
Watch............Dan'll use pops:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments Hangar flying my Dynon!!
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls.
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| Subject: | Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob A" <racker@rmci.net>
If cost is an issue and color doesn't matter, consider the 5" monochrome
screen Skymap II
(http://www.bendixking.com/static/catalog/viewproductdetails.jsp?pid=126)
instead of the III. Current MSRP $930, but street pricing should be
substantially cheaper.
I have one in my RV-6 (driving an autopilot), very readable in direct
sunlight. I pop it out of the panel and bring it home to do my flight
planning/waypoint entry (or use it for other purposes like car trips), pop
it back in the panel to go flying. If it ever craps out, it has the same
form factor (except for being thinner) as the III so I'll just upgrade then.
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne R. Couture
Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
Thanks for the input but cost is a big factor right now and an autopilot is
out of the question.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> Wayne,
>
> I know alot of people mentioned the SkyMap IIIC vs the KMD 150, but note
> that the KMD 150 can drive the autopilot directly. I am not sure if that
is
> the case with the IIIC.
>
> In the two adjacent RV6's we have, one has the 150 and the other the IIIC.
>
> I personally think the 150 is brighter.
>
> The 150 has the ability to display Stormscope input (that might not be of
> interest to you) and it has a "CDI" display mode. SO if you are really
into
> using the VOR-type displays, you can "goto" KXYZ and fly the needle.
>
> The database card is right out front on the 150.
>
> It is also easier to get a better rack fit with the 150 if that matters.
>
> Just a few extra points if you are thinking along these lines.
>
> If I had to choose between the two, I would choose the 150. (Guess which
one
> I fly behind).
>
> **BUT** they are BOTH fine units.
>
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne R. Couture
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:13 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
> > <commando@cox-internet.com>
> >
> > Who's got the best price on the Skymap?
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Garry Legare" <versadek@earthlink.net>
> > To: <versadek@earthlink.net>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Biggest GPS Screen Lowest cost.
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > Bendix/King Skymap IIIC virtually the same as the KMD-150 for a
> > > thousand bucks less, and it's portable. Plus there are panel mount
kits
> > > available, that's how I have it mounted. The brightest sun won't wash
it
> > > out either. I've also got a Garmin 196 installed but I almost never
look
> > > at it and the IIIC is easier to use.
> > > Casper
> > >
> > > Scott Bilinski wrote:
> > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> > <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> > > >
> > > >Next GPS subject. I want the biggest screen for the lowest cost and
am
> > not
> > > >to interested in the bells and whistles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Scott Bilinski
> > > >Eng dept 305
> > > >Phone (858) 657-2536
> > > >Pager (858) 502-5190
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Worm attack on members address book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Gert wrote:
> Bill
>
> That is not quite thrue. Part of the reason stuff is written for windows
> is that it is so darn difficult to fix. I.e. ya must wait for Micro$oft
> to make a patch available.
I really don't think either of you are right. The reason it is written for
Microsoft products isn't because they are so popular (although that is part of
it)
or that it will take a while to get it fixed, it's because it is so easy. Putting
these email worms in the same category with viruses is an insult to virus
writers. Any idiot can write these worms. They don't take advantage of some
hidden flaw in the software that requires intimate knowledge of the software and
lots of programming skill. They use so called "features" that were designed into
the software. Why you need a feature that enables incoming email messages to send
email messages to anyone and everyone in your address book with out any kind of
intervention is beyond me. Some one please explain why I would want an email
client with that ability.
do not archive
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35? 20.492'
W97? 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | AZ RV builders class |
--> RV-List message posted by: Thomas Velvick <tomvelvick@cox.net>
I am forwarding this email posted on the AZ RV-list for anyone that is
interested.
Regards,
Tom
Hi All, If anyone in the PHX area is interested in learning the techniques
of building an RV, I may have the answer. I have tried this with a few
people with very positive results. We get together at my hanger at DVT and
spend a couple of half days together. We will spend some time learning the
basics of riveting, practice riveting, then on to building the horizontal
stabilizer. You will learn the how to drill, deburr, dimple countersink,
machine countersink and actually build the stabilizer yourself using all
the necessary tools and leave with a beautifully completed project. My name
is Larry Schneider 602-770-7561 lschneider39@cox.net. If interested give a
call, I'll give you the tour and furnish some references. There is of
course a fee for this, but well worth it. Thanks, Larry
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Water damage |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Mark,
As far as the Aeroflash supplies go, the RV wing tip
arrangement is essentially the same as my 77 Tiger (but most RVs have a
better fit) - and there are a lot of 25 year old Tigers around with
Aeroflash power supplies in the wing tips that have been tied down outside....
gil in Tucson - Tiger in a nice hangar though....
At 04:26 PM 8/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
>
>As an afterthought, how about the Naviad servo as well- (wingtip
>installation preferred) I doubt this is a "waterproof" device...
>
>Mark do not archive
>
>Mark Phillips wrote:
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
> >
> > Looking for a good location for my Aeroflash strobe power supplies and
> > prefer outer ribs of wings and rear deck. Should I be concerned about
> > these boxes getting wet? As good as the tips and fairing may fit, I
> > seriously believe water will get in there at some point...
> >
> > Mark- do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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