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1. 12:22 AM - Re: dead reckoning (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
2. 01:54 AM - Banjo fitting for carburetor (Stephen J. Soule)
3. 03:12 AM - Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. (Jim Sears)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates (SportAV8R@aol.com)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: dead reckoning (Doug Rozendaal)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: dead reckoning (SportAV8R@aol.com)
7. 08:01 AM - Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please (Glenn Brasch)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. (SportAV8R@aol.com)
9. 09:15 AM - Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. (Dana Overall)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. (Bartrim, Todd)
11. 11:01 AM - Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta (Dane Sheahen)
12. 11:40 AM - -8 oil cooler selection (Jack Blomgren)
13. 11:57 AM - Re: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
14. 12:08 PM - Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. (Mark Phillips)
15. 12:24 PM - Re: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta (Robert Cutter)
16. 01:49 PM - Inst Panel Screws... (Bill VonDane)
17. 02:47 PM - Re: -8 oil cooler selection (Jim Cimino)
18. 02:54 PM - Re: -8 oil cooler selection (Brian Denk)
19. 02:56 PM - Re: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
20. 03:29 PM - Re: -8 oil cooler selection (Brian Denk)
21. 03:36 PM - Re: Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please (Tim Bryan)
22. 03:48 PM - Re: Inst Panel Screws... (Larry Bowen)
23. 03:55 PM - Headphone Jacks (Tim Bryan)
24. 04:41 PM - Re: Headphone Jacks (Harvey Sigmon)
25. 04:50 PM - Height dimensions of F6103 OVSZ (R. Perry McConnell)
26. 05:05 PM - rv-6---- opinions needed (DRAGRRV6@aol.com)
27. 05:34 PM - Re: Headphone Jacks (Dan Checkoway)
28. 05:34 PM - Re: Headphone Jacks (Stein Bruch)
29. 06:33 PM - Re ...RV6A project for sale (Gordon Robertson)
30. 06:36 PM - Re: Height dimensions of F6103 OVSZ (Richard Dudley)
31. 06:52 PM - Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates (Gordon Robertson)
32. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates (Jim Jewell)
33. 08:16 PM - Re: Inst Panel Screws... (C J Heitman)
34. 08:30 PM - E615PP Dimple or c-sink ()
35. 09:45 PM - Opting out... (Kirsten Lacy)
36. 10:40 PM - Where to mount Whelen power supply (Karie Daniel)
37. 11:25 PM - Re: Opting out... (R. Perry McConnell)
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| Subject: | Re: dead reckoning |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
It's not "Dead reckoning". It's DEDuctive Reckoning. What's "karma" ;-)
Doc
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From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: RV-List: dead reckoning
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Have you ever wondered why they call it "Dead" reckoning. Its seems like
> "Live" reckoning would provide a much higher level of positive karma on
the
> outcome.
>
> do not archive
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>
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| Subject: | Banjo fitting for carburetor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Does anyone know if a banjo fitting is available to connect the fuel line
from the engine driven fuel pump to the carburetor body? With my heat muff
in place there isn't a lot of room for a 90 degree fitting at that location.
A banjo fitting also would solve the orientation or "clocking" problem.
Steve Soule
N227RV RV-6A flying since 9/2001
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Banjo fitting for carburetor
Does anyone know if a banjo fitting is available to connect the fuel line from
the engine driven fuel pump to the carburetor body? With my heat muff in place
there isn't a lot of room for a 90 degree fitting at that location. A banjo fitting
also would solve the orientation or "clocking" problem.
Steve Soule
N227RV RV-6A flying since 9/2001
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| Subject: | Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
Sorry guys. This one was meant for Dana only. I'm sure most of you could care
less about the Dragonfly.
Jim
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Sears
To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pre punched- gotta love it.
Hell, mine was that good without the aid of prepunched holes. :-)
BTW, I'm about to start looking closely at a Dragonfly. Should be interesting.
The fella even mentioned my doing some work on it to prep it for flight.
It's been flown before; but, it was taken apart to transport to his house not
far from me. He has a A but, it has a lot of rust on it.
Jim
> Welp, looking at my canoe and still smiling at just how well all the
> prepunched stuff went together I got out the ever so incriminating smart
> level. Remember, these pre punched fuselages get built using three
> sawhorses and no jigs. Mine is going to fly crooked and
> sideways...........only because of the pilot!! It's 2/10 of a degree off!!
> That is without the installation of the aft deck which is used for taking
> any built in twist out. Just for grins I pulled out the bubble level,
> knowing the answer beforehand. You can't see 2/10 of a degree with a bubble
> level. It appears, with a bubble, to be dead nuts straight.
>
> Sorry, I just had to make a public................Thanks
> Van's..................statement.
>
> This thing is getting big quick!!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 08/25/2003 9:49:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dag_adamson@yahoo.com writes:
> I have destroyed a bunch of screw
> heads over the past year or so and I felt like a
> girly-man for not being able to turn a #2 Craftsman
> screw driver to get the screws in. (Despite trying to
> use oil/wax/ you name it - I was even tempted and
> wrongfully advised to tap the darn nutplates).
>
Personally I wouldn't hesitate to run a tap partway into a tight nut plate
if lubricant such as fuel-lube didn't work... I have had a few broken-off #6
screws to prove the folly of not doing this when it's necessary, as well as
countless buggered-up screw heads. A switch to stainless steel screws will allow
a lot more duty-cycles before the Phillips head is eventually marred to the
point of replacement; especially useful in areas that require repeated access
for annual condx inspections.
Most nut plates seem far tighter than necessary to do their job of safetying
a screw fastener against vibration. And, yes, the plans seem to put as many
screws as possible in the least accessible locations. I'm one of those guys
who decided long ago to use nutplates and screws in the baggage floor to make it
more accessible. I would not do this again - far better to drill out
pop-rivets if you ever need to access this area after completion. (IMO)
-Bill B
RV-6A vintage '94-'98
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| Subject: | Re: dead reckoning |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Aviation is filled with those,
Standard terminal approach route, is it not curable?
Near miss, shouldn't we call it a near hit?
Final Approach, will there be no more?
to name a few
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: dead reckoning |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 08/25/2003 5:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
akroguy@hotmail.com writes:
> Just like the often abused "well, we survived another one"
> spoken just after landing. Geeze, as if there was any doubt.
>
> Brian Denk
>
Brian: We've heard it said many times that "a good landing is any you can
walk away from," but consider the litigant lawyer's perspective: a good landing
is one you can walk away from, but your neck hurts...
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| Subject: | Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Someone suggested building the control surfaces first when starting the wing kit.
Why? You have already done control surfaces on the empennage, and it is easier
to line up the surfaces to the wing if they are completed. It made sense
to me, your opinions are appreciated.
Glenn in Arizona -9A slow build wings ordered.
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| Subject: | Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 08/25/2003 3:19:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bo124rs@hotmail.com writes:
> Just for grins I pulled out the bubble level,
> knowing the answer beforehand. You can't see 2/10 of a degree with a bubble
>
> level. It appears, with a bubble, to be dead nuts straight.
>
>
I thought it was "ded nuts," as in "deduced nuts." You know, like, "I've been
reading your posts and deduced that you were nuts," or something like that.
Bubble levels allow us to do "deduced levelling," making the claim that
something is "dead level." Smart Levels, especially if WAAS-enabled, allow for
much
more precision. Be forewarned that this technological progress will exact a
cultural price, since quaint expressions like "That Kentucky feller is half a
bubble off-level" just won't sound the same when modernized to "Well, you know
Dana; he's always about 0.265 +/- .005 degrees out of plumb..."
Congratulations on a marvelous airplane that sounds like it is going together
very very well. I'm jealous. Still have stains on my hands from refining my
own aluminum from the bauxite Van's shipped me back in '94...
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>I thought it was "ded nuts," as in "deduced nuts." You know, like, "I've
>been
>reading your posts and deduced that you were nuts," or something like that.
>Bubble levels allow us to do "deduced levelling," making the claim that
>something is "dead level." Smart Levels, especially if WAAS-enabled, allow
>for much
>more precision. Be forewarned that this technological progress will exact
>a
>cultural price, since quaint expressions like "That Kentucky feller is half
>a
>bubble off-level" just won't sound the same when modernized to "Well, you
>know
>Dana; he's always about 0.265 +/- .005 degrees out of plumb..."
>
Ya'll, while sittin and ponderin this ol outta level aerogadget, I've done
some deducing. I may not be the shartest knif in the cubbard but this har
newfangled electronic smart gizmo (ya'll know how I'ma feelin about
electromatic stuff over provin mechanical mochins) says my time mochin is
outta level while my ol trustee bubble level, whichin I use sometimes fer
hiken things up with, says she'a level. Guess whicha one I'ma goin to the
barn with.
Bubble says she'a true so true she is!!
Now, where is that TN bunch at.........I think I found my people. Not only
do you have to be able to walk the walk............ya gotta be able to talk
the talk:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Pre punched- gotta love it. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
> Congratulations on a marvelous airplane that sounds like it is going
> together
> very very well. I'm jealous. Still have stains on my hands from refining
> my
> own aluminum from the bauxite Van's shipped me back in '94...
>
> -Bill B
>
Yours must have been a quickbuild? I think Jerry said his kit was a
box of dirt. :-)
definitely do not archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B (Inspection passed, waiting on paperwork... Flight next week
?)
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
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RE: RV-List: Pre punched- gotta love it.
Congratulations on a marvelous airplane that sounds like it is going together
very very well. I'm jealous. Still have stains on my hands from refining my
own aluminum from the bauxite Van's shipped me back in '94...
-Bill B
Yours must have been a quickbuild? I think Jerry said his kit was a box of dirt.
:-)
definitely do not archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B (Inspection passed, waiting on paperwork... Flight next week ?)
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
<A HREF"http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm" TARGET"_blank">http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
Imagination is more important than knowledge
-Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
Does any one have any recommendations for an RV friendly airport close to
Downtown Atlanta.
I have to be there for 4 days attending an ACE Hardware Convention in
October. This is my first major trip with my RV8a N838RV. I am a VFR pilot
and use to flying around Chicago Metro with all the airspace restrictions
and congestion.
Any suggestion on which airport go into please E-Mail at dane@mutualace.com
<mailto:dane@mutualace.com>
Do not archive
Dane Sheahen
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| Subject: | -8 oil cooler selection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
-8 Flying Builders,
Any -8 builder/drivers out there who would recommend (or not) the
Aeroclassics nine plate oil cooler (Chief Aircraft catalog) for firewall
mounting? Any and all educated suggestions welcome.Thanks in advance.
(AeroSport Power IO-360 M-B2 on order.)
Jack
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| Subject: | Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown |
Atlanta
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
There is really only 1 for downtown, and that is PDK. It is a class C, but a
friendly airport. It will be expensive to keep it there.
I would definitely recommend flying into LZU. A bit further out, by 10 miles
or so. But you will find lots of RV there, including myself and other Team
RV members. There are 14 rv's kept here.
Hollor and I am sure I could get you some hanger space too.
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: Dane Sheahen [mailto:dane@mutualace.com]
Subject: RV-List: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
Does any one have any recommendations for an RV friendly airport close to
Downtown Atlanta.
I have to be there for 4 days attending an ACE Hardware Convention in
October. This is my first major trip with my RV8a N838RV. I am a VFR pilot
and use to flying around Chicago Metro with all the airspace restrictions
and congestion.
Any suggestion on which airport go into please E-Mail at dane@mutualace.com
<mailto:dane@mutualace.com>
Do not archive
Dane Sheahen
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| Subject: | Re: Pre punched- gotta love it. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Sorry Dana, your accent gave you away and you obviously aren't from Tennessee-
it's easy for a REAL Tennessean to tell you have all your teeth...
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark - & how 'bout a "dewknot arkive" on this'n? ( do not archive )!
>
> Now, where is that TN bunch at.........I think I found my people. Not only
> do you have to be able to walk the walk............ya gotta be able to talk
> the talk:-)
>
> Dana Overall
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| Subject: | Re: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
I understand the RV group @ LZU, Gwinnett CO. (NE ATL) is a very friendly group
in that area.
Robert
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From: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
>
>Does any one have any recommendations for an RV friendly airport close to
>Downtown Atlanta.
>I have to be there for 4 days attending an ACE Hardware Convention in
>October. This is my first major trip with my RV8a N838RV. I am a VFR pilot
>and use to flying around Chicago Metro with all the airspace restrictions
>and congestion.
>
>Any suggestion on which airport go into please E-Mail at dane@mutualace.com
><mailto:dane@mutualace.com>
>
>Do not archive
>
>Dane Sheahen
>
>
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| Subject: | Inst Panel Screws... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Where's everyone getting their instrument panel screws?
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: -8 oil cooler selection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I have the posi tech in my -8 and have never had a problem. It is firewall
mounted, but I mad a better plenum for the top and use a 3" hose. Has never
gone above 190. Air flow through the cooler is the most important thing.
Jim
James Cimino
RV-8 SN 80039
100+ Hours
570-842-4057
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
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From: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: -8 oil cooler selection
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
>
> -8 Flying Builders,
>
> Any -8 builder/drivers out there who would recommend (or not) the
> Aeroclassics nine plate oil cooler (Chief Aircraft catalog) for firewall
> mounting? Any and all educated suggestions welcome.Thanks in advance.
> (AeroSport Power IO-360 M-B2 on order.)
>
> Jack
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -8 oil cooler selection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
>
>-8 Flying Builders,
>
>Any -8 builder/drivers out there who would recommend (or not) the
>Aeroclassics nine plate oil cooler (Chief Aircraft catalog) for firewall
>mounting? Any and all educated suggestions welcome.Thanks in advance.
>(AeroSport Power IO-360 M-B2 on order.)
>
>Jack
>
I had quite a trial with oil cooling issues in my -8. Actually, it's not
uncommon for -8's to run hot. Get the most efficient cooler you can,
mounted on the baffle for direct ram air inlet. I had an earlier Positech
seven row on the firewall, with a 3" scat hose to it. I consistently ran
over 200 degrees even on warm days. Fughedabout a head soaked, hot summer
day full power climb to cruise altitude. Had to level off, power back, and
cruise for a while to cool it off, then continue the climb.
The Aeroclassics cooler looks OK, but I would put it on the rear baffle if
possible. It may not fit though. The 200hp angle valve engines (I think
that's what you have on order?) run even hotter with piston skirt oil
splash. Perhaps Danny King can elaborate on his setup. I have a carbureted
O-360/180hp.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
Dane,
I landed at Dekalb-Peachtree and used (Mercury Air Center) for the True Value
show a couple of months ago. They were very friendly and I would use them
again.
Wayne Petrus
RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: -8 oil cooler selection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
>
>I have the posi tech in my -8 and have never had a problem. It is firewall
>mounted, but I mad a better plenum for the top and use a 3" hose. Has
>never
>gone above 190. Air flow through the cooler is the most important thing.
>Jim
>
>James Cimino
>RV-8 SN 80039
>100+ Hours
>570-842-4057
>http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
There is a looong and sordid history of the Positech coolers in the RV list.
The originals were crap....period. They finally realized it and
redesigned them, and offered free replacements to owners of the original
boat anchors. So, if your cooler is a newer model, with approximately the
same air gap between plates as the Niagara or Stewart Warner then you have
the newer, improved unit. If not, ask for the new one and get a free
cooler! All I had to do was tell them I was not happy with the performance
of the original cooler I bought in the '98/'99 time frame, and they sent me
the new cooler...totally free..and did not want the original cooler back.
I also live at mile high field elevation. Cooling is simply not as
effective here in the thinner, and often freakin' HOT summertime atmosphere.
With the original cooler in my airplane, when down nearer to sea level, I
did notice a quicker temperature recovery and it took longer to heat up.
Since changing over to a seven row Niagara Air Parts cooler placed on the
baffle, I seldom get heated up above 200 except in seriously high and hot
and/or heat soaked conditions.
So, moral of this story is that not all coolers are created alike....not
even from the same vendor in this case. Your mileage may vary, do not take
with medications and do not operate heavy machinery...yada yada yada.
Buy the best and biggest cooler you can wedge into the airplane, and feed it
lots of direct airflow. Cooling will not be a problem.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
345 hrs.
Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
Glenn in Arizona,
I can't speak too much for the 9 but I built a -6 that way. However when
you flip the wings over to do the control brackets it is easier to have the
controls to verify the distances and what not.
For what it's worth.
Tim Bryan in Oregon
RV-6 N616TB
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Someone suggested building the control surfaces first when starting the wing
kit. Why? You have already done control surfaces on the empennage, and it is
easier to line up the surfaces to the wing if they are completed. It made
sense to me, your opinions are appreciated.
Glenn in Arizona -9A slow build wings ordered.
.
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| Subject: | Inst Panel Screws... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
http://McMaster.com
SS, button-head, hex is what I'm using.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill VonDane [mailto:bill@vondane.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:49 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8list@yahoogroups.com; vansairforce
> Subject: RV-List: Inst Panel Screws...
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Where's everyone getting their instrument panel screws?
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> do not archive
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
Any radio gurus out there?
First, since my panel was pre wired for me , I can't believe how much wire I
had to still run. But, it is all in and almost all terminated inside the
airplane. I had originally planned on putting my headset jacks in the back
somewhere and therefore the wire was not connected to the jacks. I did have
the labeling for the wires.
The question is this. I fired up my panel and turned on my SL15M first as
part of my check out. The transmit light came on and stayed on. So after
powering it down, I looked under the panel at my jacks to confirm nothing
was touching accross the PTT leads or any other for that matter. Still no
success, so I removed them from the panel and pluged my headsets in, turned
it on... Perfect. Of course turning my radio on next was most excellent to
hear Redmond tower.
I installed the two insulators on the jacks, one front and one back. What could
be causing them to key up for transmit?
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| Subject: | Re: Headphone Jacks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
Tim : What happens is the jacks are suppose to be insulated from ground,
when you wired them to the panel without the insulators they created a
ground path, I had a similar situation but my plug shorted to ground. Do
you happen to have some spare jack insulators?
Harvey Sigmon RV-6A Flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
Subject: RV-List: Headphone Jacks
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Any radio gurus out there?
>
> First, since my panel was pre wired for me , I can't believe how much wire
I
> had to still run. But, it is all in and almost all terminated inside the
> airplane. I had originally planned on putting my headset jacks in the
back
> somewhere and therefore the wire was not connected to the jacks. I did
have
> the labeling for the wires.
>
> The question is this. I fired up my panel and turned on my SL15M first as
> part of my check out. The transmit light came on and stayed on. So after
> powering it down, I looked under the panel at my jacks to confirm nothing
> was touching accross the PTT leads or any other for that matter. Still no
> success, so I removed them from the panel and pluged my headsets in,
turned
> it on... Perfect. Of course turning my radio on next was most excellent
to
> hear Redmond tower.
>
> I installed the two insulators on the jacks, one front and one back. What
could be causing them to key up for transmit?
>
>
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| Subject: | Height dimensions of F6103 OVSZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Perry McConnell" <rpm@rpmpc.com>
Does anyone have handy the height dimensions of the "oversize" F-6103
(Slider Instrument Panel) or know what the difference is between it and
the "standard size" F-6103? This doesn't appear in the plans I have
(with hung head, I have to admit I bought my RV-6 already assembled) ;(
I'm working on a panel redesign, and trying to figure out whether to buy
a stock Van's panel or do something more inventive. Thanks for any help.
No reason to, so
Do not archive
Perry
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| Subject: | rv-6---- opinions needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: DRAGRRV6@aol.com
Fellow Builders ,
Before I make a big mistake ,I would like some opinions from you guys.
My problem is:: Due to my age and my Wife's physical and med. problems, and
lack of help, I feel I will never get to fly my RV. I want to fly now. Several
people have contacted me about my project, and some approached me about
trading my rv in on their airplane. I am considering trading it in on an old classic
[Stinson] but I'm not sure I am being offerd enough for my rv.
My RV;;;;rv-6
My project is just about in the quickbuilt stage or more. This is one of the
older kits before pre-punched.
Wings==finished except top skins are drilled & fitted but not riveted and
control rods not installed.
Tail Section== finished
Control surfaces all finished
Fuel tanks built but not sealed
Fuselage===The last work I did was installed the floor. as far as I can see ,
it is ready for seats, rudder pedals, cables ect.
The spars are factory built.
I do not have the finish kit.
I have an 0320 A2B--- this engine has not run since overhaul. I have temp.
misplaced the engine log and don't remember all details of the overhaul. I do
remember that total time was about 2800 hrs. I am sure I will locate the log.
This engine has been kept in a sealed dry atmosphere.The engine has no
accesories.
I know there are a lot of things involved in this but I would like some
opinions anb ballpark figures.
Thank you very much
h
Jim Callender
Hitchcock, texas
dragrrv6@aol.com
409 986-6289
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| Subject: | Re: Headphone Jacks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
In case you need the jack insulator washers, B&C (http://www.bandc.biz)
sells 'em.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Headphone Jacks
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
>
> Tim : What happens is the jacks are suppose to be insulated from ground,
> when you wired them to the panel without the insulators they created a
> ground path, I had a similar situation but my plug shorted to ground. Do
> you happen to have some spare jack insulators?
> Harvey Sigmon RV-6A Flying
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Headphone Jacks
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
> >
> >
> > Any radio gurus out there?
> >
> > First, since my panel was pre wired for me , I can't believe how much
wire
> I
> > had to still run. But, it is all in and almost all terminated inside
the
> > airplane. I had originally planned on putting my headset jacks in the
> back
> > somewhere and therefore the wire was not connected to the jacks. I did
> have
> > the labeling for the wires.
> >
> > The question is this. I fired up my panel and turned on my SL15M first
as
> > part of my check out. The transmit light came on and stayed on. So
after
> > powering it down, I looked under the panel at my jacks to confirm
nothing
> > was touching accross the PTT leads or any other for that matter. Still
no
> > success, so I removed them from the panel and pluged my headsets in,
> turned
> > it on... Perfect. Of course turning my radio on next was most excellent
> to
> > hear Redmond tower.
> >
> > I installed the two insulators on the jacks, one front and one back.
What
> could be causing them to key up for transmit?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headphone Jacks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Guys,
The insulators on the jacks are NOT to prevent the mic ground/tx switching, but
to prevent ground loops and "noise" from enterring your audio path. If the jacks
and harness are wire correctly, they should work regardless if the jacks
are installed with our without the insulators. I've wired up lots of radios and
Intercoms, and many times things like this are an errant wire, or the mic jack
wired incorrectly. Don't take this note negatively, just want people to make
sure they aren't using the insulators to "band-aid" another potential problem.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6, N664SB
RV6, N64YU
http://www.steinair.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
>
>Tim : What happens is the jacks are suppose to be insulated from ground,
>when you wired them to the panel without the insulators they created a
>ground path, I had a similar situation but my plug shorted to ground. Do
>you happen to have some spare jack insulators?
>Harvey Sigmon RV-6A Flying
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Headphone Jacks
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
>>
>>
>> Any radio gurus out there?
>>
>> First, since my panel was pre wired for me , I can't believe how much wire
>I
>> had to still run. But, it is all in and almost all terminated inside the
>> airplane. I had originally planned on putting my headset jacks in the
>back
>> somewhere and therefore the wire was not connected to the jacks. I did
>have
>> the labeling for the wires.
>>
>> The question is this. I fired up my panel and turned on my SL15M first as
>> part of my check out. The transmit light came on and stayed on. So after
>> powering it down, I looked under the panel at my jacks to confirm nothing
>> was touching accross the PTT leads or any other for that matter. Still no
>> success, so I removed them from the panel and pluged my headsets in,
>turned
>> it on... Perfect. Of course turning my radio on next was most excellent
>to
>> hear Redmond tower.
>>
>> I installed the two insulators on the jacks, one front and one back. What
>could be causing them to key up for transmit?
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV6A project for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
Tom,
I tried to contact you at your listed email address iaretom@yahoo.com, but
it bounced. Please contact me at grobertson@verizon.net
Gordon Robertson
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| Subject: | Re: Height dimensions of F6103 OVSZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Perry,
I just went out and measured the height of my oversized panel on my -6A.
It is 13". I don't remember the height of the standard, but my
recollection is it is 2" or 2-1/2" shorter.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A completing details
do not archive
R. Perry McConnell wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "R. Perry McConnell" <rpm@rpmpc.com>
>
> Does anyone have handy the height dimensions of the "oversize" F-6103
> (Slider Instrument Panel) or know what the difference is between it and
> the "standard size" F-6103? This doesn't appear in the plans I have
> (with hung head, I have to admit I bought my RV-6 already assembled) ;(
>
> I'm working on a panel redesign, and trying to figure out whether to buy
> a stock Van's panel or do something more inventive. Thanks for any help.
>
> No reason to, so
> Do not archive
>
> Perry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
The best tool I have found for those millions of #8 phillips screws is a
flexible drive for my electric drill that takes 1/4 inch snap in hexagonal
tools. Then you just use regular #2 phillips bits.
The combination of the electric portable drill with torque adjustable chuck
and the flexible drive allows you to work very close to the side skins, is
fast, not likely to overtorque and strip the head, and avoids Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome.
The second most useful tool is a right angle drive (well actually about 60
degree drive) attachment, also takes 1/4 inch hex tools, and is used in the
electric drill. This allows a degree of push on the head of the screw, but
still can work close to the fuse edge skin.
I got both tools from Home Depot. About $20 each.
I used #8 screws for the floor panels in my RV8. Without these tools I
would have really been tempted to not take the floors out **AGAIN??!!** when
they needed to come out. It would have been too much effort to remove 110
screws. But with these tools it is a breeze
Gordon Robertson
RV8 - in storage while I move to the East Coast
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Mack tools sells a clutch drive (not ratchet) with a 3 to 1 Ratio drive
feature. It has a special place in my shop.
As fast or faster than an electric drill, no cord, no batteries!,
interchangeable bits. Very handy!
Jim in Kelowna - I sure will be glad to get my RV back home,.. (sigh)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Cool Tool: For screws in to nut plates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
>
> The best tool I have found for those millions of #8 phillips screws is a
> flexible drive for my electric drill that takes 1/4 inch snap in hexagonal
> tools. Then you just use regular #2 phillips bits.
>
> The combination of the electric portable drill with torque adjustable
chuck
> and the flexible drive allows you to work very close to the side skins, is
> fast, not likely to overtorque and strip the head, and avoids Carpal
Tunnel
> Syndrome.
>
> The second most useful tool is a right angle drive (well actually about 60
> degree drive) attachment, also takes 1/4 inch hex tools, and is used in
the
> electric drill. This allows a degree of push on the head of the screw,
but
> still can work close to the fuse edge skin.
>
> I got both tools from Home Depot. About $20 each.
>
> I used #8 screws for the floor panels in my RV8. Without these tools I
> would have really been tempted to not take the floors out **AGAIN??!!**
when
> they needed to come out. It would have been too much effort to remove 110
> screws. But with these tools it is a breeze
>
>
> Gordon Robertson
> RV8 - in storage while I move to the East Coast
>
>
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| Subject: | Inst Panel Screws... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
Wicks Aircraft has a good selection of brass instrument screws with a black
oxide finish in both pan head and 100 degree flat head styles (both with
Phillips cross recess): MS24693-BBxx and MS35214-xx. Here are links to
catalog pages:
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=92
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=95
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Where's everyone getting their instrument panel screws?
---
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| Subject: | E615PP Dimple or c-sink |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
Lots of differing views in the archives on this one, and I am trying to get it
straight in my head. I am attaching the nutplates to the trim re-inforcement
cover, and I am trying to determine the best method. Five holes of concern:
1) 2 nutplate rivet holes
2) 1 nutplate screw hole
3) 2 skin (615PP) nutplate rivet holes
4) 1 skin (615PP) nutplate screw hole
5) 1 cover screw hole
I'm not into dimpling nutplates or buying the dimpled variety, so I think my best
option would be:
* c-sink 3 and 4 (and use NAS rivets on 3)
* dimple 5 (and c-sink as needed to make screw flush)
* leave nutplates untouched
Does that make sense? Thanks in advance for the help.
Scott
7A Emp/Wings
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
Hello, again...Jim Stugart's daughter (Kirsten, not Diana), here....=0D
=0D
( and thank you, thank you, thank you... for all of the previous kind
words about Dad )=0D
=0D
OK here goes...=0D
=0D
I have been hearing recently about some of my Dad's friends, students,
cronies, Young Eagles, and hangers on....=0D
=0D
They want to quit flying. OMG, a few are putting their RV's up for sale.
=46rom what I understand, the reasoning is... if this could happen to Dad (
the most meticulous, anal, perfectionist home-builder/instructor/pilot with
30 years experience, that there ever was )..well, I guess they think their
odds are not so good.=0D
=0D
I might be speaking out of turn here, but since he can't speak for himself..
=2E I really believe Jim would hate this attitude. Well, not hate it..but not
be happy about it.=0D
=0D
For 30 years, if the weather was agreeable, he was in the air. I can't even
guess how many hours he had. He knew of the constant risks, and did
everything in his power as a pilot to counteract those risks... Dad's love
of flying transcended all, I believe. =0D
=0D
You all love what you do. Please, please...don't give up on it. This is
long and well used, but appropriate, I think. ( lol, I am sure you will
tell me if I'm wrong )=0D
=0D
"High Flight"=0D
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth=0D
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;=0D
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth=0D
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things=0D
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung=0D
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,=0D
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung=0D
My eager craft through footless halls of air.=0D
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue=0D
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace=0D
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -=0D
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod=0D
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,=0D
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.=0D
John Gillespie Magee, Jr.=0D
Kirsten Stugart Lacy=0D
Please Archive
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| Subject: | Where to mount Whelen power supply |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I'm wondering if anyone has some pictures or details where to mount the power supply
for a Whelen lighting system. It's the system Van's sells with a single
power supply unit.
As always, thanks for the great replies. Oh, I did search the archives and found
only a few who had mounted under the baggage compartment seat. Is this the best
spot?
Karie Daniel
Sammamish, WA
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Opting out... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Perry McConnell" <rpm@rpmpc.com>
Kirsten,
People handle grief in different, and very personal, ways. I never had
the privilege of meeting your Dad, but everything I've seen about him
has been positive. Those who knew him must know a grievous loss at his
passing, and must bear it according to their own ways.
For most of us, we will fly, and we will continue to be 'meticulous,
anal, and perfectionist', because good pilots are, to one or another
degree. Others will stop flying, because they have come to a point in
their lives at which they have concluded that, for them, the risks
outweigh the benefits, and there is no shame in that conclusion. Though
the loss of your father may have been the trigger, they were probably
relatively close to that point.
We all know that fate can slap any of us down any day. We could just as
easily be killed by an unavoidable accident on the way to the airport as
in an unavoidable accident in an airplane. That life involves risk is a
given. Many of us will continue to accept that risk, controlling it
where possible, and fly for the sheer joy of it.
And yes, RV's get sold, for a variety of reasons. When it happens, new
RV grins are created, and new RV pilots join the rest of us. We will
fly, and the spirit your Dad brought to aviation will fly with us, and
with those who follow, so long as there are pilots (and, I hope, RV's).
Regards,
Perry
Do Not Archive
Kirsten Lacy wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
>
>Hello, again...Jim Stugart's daughter (Kirsten, not Diana), here....
>
>( and thank you, thank you, thank you... for all of the previous kind
>words about Dad )
>
>OK here goes...
>
>I have been hearing recently about some of my Dad's friends, students,
>cronies, Young Eagles, and hangers on....
>
>They want to quit flying. OMG, a few are putting their RV's up for sale.
>=46rom what I understand, the reasoning is... if this could happen to Dad (
>the most meticulous, anal, perfectionist home-builder/instructor/pilot with
>30 years experience, that there ever was )..well, I guess they think their
>odds are not so good.
>
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