---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/27/03: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:56 AM - 9th Annual RV Forum, EAA486 Fulton NY (RV6160hp@aol.com) 2. 04:00 AM - KGED Delaware area? (RV6160hp@aol.com) 3. 04:23 AM - Re: Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please (Dana Overall) 4. 07:50 AM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Elsa & Henry) 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Opting out... (Dwpetrus@aol.com) 6. 08:05 AM - Re: Headphone Jacks (Tim Bryan) 7. 08:13 AM - Night Vision (Warren W Hurd) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Greg Young) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Night Vision (David Burton) 10. 09:46 AM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Pat Hatch) 11. 09:57 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 37 Msgs - 08/26/03 (PSPRV6A@aol.com) 12. 10:57 AM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Dan Checkoway) 13. 11:33 AM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Karie Daniel) 14. 11:50 AM - RV aerobatics techniques and speeds (Matt Smith) 15. 12:04 PM - Ordering Tools (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 16. 01:31 PM - Re: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 17. 01:52 PM - Archer VOR antenna and Garmin 430 (Laird Owens) 18. 02:21 PM - [SoCAL-RVlist] Re: Archer VOR antenna and Garmin 430 (Laird Owens) 19. 02:27 PM - Re: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds (George McNutt) 20. 02:38 PM - Re: Archer VOR antenna and Garmin 430 (Richard Dudley) 21. 02:59 PM - Dynon releases EFIS-D10 Magnetic Calibration Program (dmedema@att.net) 22. 04:08 PM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Dana Overall) 23. 04:27 PM - Access to bolts to VS to fuse. (David R. Cook) 24. 04:37 PM - Re: Night Vision (Paul Besing) 25. 04:54 PM - Re: Ordering Tools (Ron Walker) 26. 05:34 PM - Re: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta (C. Rabaut) 27. 05:45 PM - Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes () 28. 06:16 PM - Re: Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes (Kyle Boatright) 29. 07:34 PM - Re:Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 30. 07:35 PM - fuel flo sensor and high pressure fuel pump (Wayne Pedersen) 31. 07:41 PM - Re: RV Aerobatic Speeds (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 32. 07:49 PM - Re: Ordering Tools (Bob Hassel) 33. 08:43 PM - Order of Events.... (RV6AOKC@aol.com) 34. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: RV Aerobatic Speeds (James E. Clark) 35. 09:56 PM - Exporting / Importing to the States (Brian W. Truitt) 36. 11:43 PM - Re: fuel flo sensor and high pressure fuel pump (Dan Checkoway) 37. 11:49 PM - Re: Where to mount Whelen power supply (Karie Daniel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:08 AM PST US From: RV6160hp@aol.com Subject: RV-List: 9th Annual RV Forum, EAA486 Fulton NY --> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com Mark your calendars and plan to attend. September 12, 2003 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486 General meeting night too. September 13, 2003 Saturday technical seminars all day, meals provided to paid attendee's. Then a nice dinner banquet with a presentation. This year Mr. Kirk House, ex-Director Curator of the Glenn Cirtiss Museum will talk about the books on Glenn he wrote, and how Glenn was the ultimate Experimenter! September 14, 2003 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a coordinated fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing. see us at www.eaachapter486.com We will be updating our site soon with the 2003 plans. Last year over 56 RV's and 25 SPAM's flew in with over 150 attendee's. There was Mike Seager and the Factory RV6 doing instruction and manufacturers like Lycoming and Aerospace logic with tables displaying and selling their wares. I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask some one who has been there the $45 is easily worth it. Hope to See you all there. Respectfully, David McManmon President EAA 486 RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM DNA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:07 AM PST US From: RV6160hp@aol.com Subject: RV-List: KGED Delaware area? --> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com Listers, May have to bust out of Oswego Co. (KFZY) 1 day early to KGED airport. Have beach home invite Sunday on.... VFR forcast Sunday or Monday not favorable here then though... Put me up for a night and we'll do an hour in the plane. I'd gladly examine projects and/or visit with a group.... Open for suggestions... Food for thought...replies appreciated off list at McManD@aol.com Regards David McManmon President EAA 486 RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM see first flight at: www.eaachapter486.com DNA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:42 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Building Sequence-Your Opinion Please --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Glenn, After sitting on your question for a day, I can't come up with any good reason at all to build the control surfaces first on the pre punched kits. The holes for the aileron center bracket are already punched. The outer bracket, at least on the 7, is prepunched on the aft spar but you still have to drill 3-4 holes on the side flange through the outer rib. The flap is positioned to get 1/4" separation for the aileron before you drill the hinge so you have to have the wing finished to do that. On the prepunched stuff, you don't use the control surfaces to settle any kind alignment issues. It's just plug and play. With that said, you could build the control surfaces first, as they will fit the wing when you complete it. However, you would not accomplish anything, other than having a bunch of control surfaces sitting in the corner, by working out of sequence. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:00 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Hi Karie, I have addressed the location of the Whelen power supplies on previous posts and to answer your question re installing it under the seats (or baggage compartment), from my experience, is the best place to put it because noise radiation from the wiring is enclosed and shielded by the fuselage structure. I don't know how the wiring kit came from Van's but the kit I bought at OSH a few years back, had four Molex connectors with pig-tails which must be spliced to the shielded wiring to the wings and tail (my case) lights and the power supply wires. So the shielding integrity is interrupted by these splices, therefore a noise source, which is contained within the area. The nice thing of putting the PS there is the wiring does not have to pass through the wing spars, as it would if it is mounted in a forward area, assuming, of course, that the wiring to the wing tips runs aft of the spar. Make sure that the shields on the wires are grounded at the power supply end ONLY! Cheers!!------Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:01 AM PST US From: Dwpetrus@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Opting out... --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com Well done Kristen, I also beleive as you do that Jim would have felt that way too. Wayne Petrus RV8a ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:15 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Headphone Jacks --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Stein, Thanks for the heads up on your comment. The AV guy labeled the cables and individual wires for me, but I will double check that I didn't miss anything Also, I used heat shrink on the wire when I connected them to the jack to prevent anything stray. The Jacks are pretty vulnerable the way they are designed of course. Also because of the proximity to each other, I wondered if they were touching when installed but couldn't see anything like that. Will look further, They seem to work perfect when not installed in the panel. Leads me to think the PTT wire is connected to the outer ground ring. Well at least I know what to look for. Thanks Tim -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Headphone Jacks --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Guys, The insulators on the jacks are NOT to prevent the mic ground/tx switching, but to prevent ground loops and "noise" from enterring your audio path. If the jacks and harness are wire correctly, they should work regardless if the jacks are installed with our without the insulators. I've wired up lots of radios and Intercoms, and many times things like this are an errant wire, or the mic jack wired incorrectly. Don't take this note negatively, just want people to make sure they aren't using the insulators to "band-aid" another potential problem. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6, N664SB RV6, N64YU http://www.steinair.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Harvey Sigmon" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" > >Tim : What happens is the jacks are suppose to be insulated from ground, >when you wired them to the panel without the insulators they created a >ground path, I had a similar situation but my plug shorted to ground. Do >you happen to have some spare jack insulators? >Harvey Sigmon RV-6A Flying >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Bryan" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Headphone Jacks > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" >> >> >> Any radio gurus out there? >> >> First, since my panel was pre wired for me , I can't believe how much wire >I >> had to still run. But, it is all in and almost all terminated inside the >> airplane. I had originally planned on putting my headset jacks in the >back >> somewhere and therefore the wire was not connected to the jacks. I did >have >> the labeling for the wires. >> >> The question is this. I fired up my panel and turned on my SL15M first as >> part of my check out. The transmit light came on and stayed on. So after >> powering it down, I looked under the panel at my jacks to confirm nothing >> was touching accross the PTT leads or any other for that matter. Still no >> success, so I removed them from the panel and pluged my headsets in, >turned >> it on... Perfect. Of course turning my radio on next was most excellent >to >> hear Redmond tower. >> >> I installed the two insulators on the jacks, one front and one back. What >could be causing them to key up for transmit? >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:10 AM PST US From: Warren W Hurd Subject: RV-List: Night Vision --> RV-List message posted by: Warren W Hurd I was just reading the AOPA Pilot magazine article on night flight. Has anyone used night vision goggles to tell the difference between forest and field at night? I am talking about surplus type of goggle like the Harbor freight import. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47626 Would such a goggle be of any use for improving safety of night flight? Warren Hurd 90454 Wings http://www.ahyup.com (builders page) Do Not Archive (yet) Should be building and not reading ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:19 AM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" Before you mount the power supply (or anything else) under the seat, consider that this is a crumple zone in the event of a crash/hard landing and whether you would want that object in intimate contact with your posterior. (Fill-in your own bad jokes here;-) Regards, Greg Young - Houston (DWH) RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A > I have addressed the location of the Whelen power supplies on > previous posts and to answer your question re installing it > under the seats (or baggage compartment), from my experience, > is the best place to put it because noise radiation from the > wiring is enclosed and shielded by the fuselage structure. I > don't know how the wiring kit came from Van's but the kit I > bought at OSH a few years back, had four Molex connectors > with pig-tails which must be spliced to the shielded wiring > to the wings and tail (my case) lights and the power supply > wires. So the shielding integrity is interrupted by these > splices, therefore a noise source, which is contained within the area. > > The nice thing of putting the PS there is the wiring does not > have to pass through the wing spars, as it would if it is > mounted in a forward area, assuming, of course, that the > wiring to the wing tips runs aft of the spar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:01 AM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Night Vision --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > I was just reading the AOPA Pilot magazine article on night flight. Has > anyone used night vision goggles to tell the difference between forest > and field at night? I am talking about surplus type of goggle like the > Harbor freight import. > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47626 > Would such a goggle be of any use for improving safety of night flight? I've used generation 1, 2 and 3 goggles. There are several issues with them. The early models have poor resolution and light intensifying capability. Since you are looking at a tv screen and not at the actual image the resolution is very important. Cheap models (Costco, Harbor Freight, Sam's etc.) usually are gen 1 and do not work well. Gen 1 is 1960s technology, can you imagine using a 1960s computer today? Gen 2 are a big improvement over gen 1 but still are not real great. They are Desert Storm vintage. Same deal. Could you stand to use a 1980's computer? The close up resolution is good but the poor light gathering and intensification make distance resolution tough. Gen 3 are daylight vision with great resolution. They work as you might imagine night vision should. The earlier models are not that useful. Since you are looking at a bright tv screen you can kiss your night vision goodbye when you take the goggles off. The field of view is very limited. The focus is adjustable, but you can only see near or far... With the focus adjusted to see the ground, you can not read the instrument panel or visa versa. The goggles I'm familiar with are not fast to change the focus on. With mine you can set one eye to close focus and one to far. This can let you see your instruments and the ground with monovision. You can't do that with the single tube models. Here is a link to the company I have dealt with for years. I've been happy with their service and they have saved me a ton of money on parts and pieces to do upgrades and repairs of my equipment. http://www.stano.night-vision.com/html/nvg.html It would be interesting to try flying with them as a passenger to explore the usefulness. I'm not sure I'd survive an attempted landing wearing them without significant training and another pilot to help fly the plane... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:40 AM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Karie, you should also consider installing the power supply aft of the baggage compartment in the vicinity of the bellcrank. I built a little platform in this area for the ELT and strobe p/s. Easy to get to. Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > > I'm wondering if anyone has some pictures or details where to mount the power supply for a Whelen lighting system. It's the system Van's sells with a single power supply unit. > > As always, thanks for the great replies. Oh, I did search the archives and found only a few who had mounted under the baggage compartment seat. Is this the best spot? > > Karie Daniel > Sammamish, WA > RV-7A > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:20 AM PST US From: PSPRV6A@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 37 Msgs - 08/26/03 --> RV-List message posted by: PSPRV6A@aol.com Repeating a hint on anchor nuts: They can be "conditioned" by driving a greased socket set screw though them ether before they are installed or after they are in place. A high quality socket head set screw is a class 3 thread which is slightly larger than the class 2 AN screws. I have used this trick for years with good success. There is still plenty of locking torque remaining and galling is no problem. Don't even think of tapping them! A second thought: There is a type of tap that forms a thread rather than cutting it. They are sometimes calle X-press taps. They will not remove any matwerial but will relieve some of the excess interference. FWIW, I have NOT tried them, have always used the set screw technique. Paul S. Petersen, RV6A, 95% done, 50% to go!!!! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:36 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I agree with Pat. Having the strobe power supply in the cabin just takes up precious baggage space...and for some reason I would not want to expose the power supply to people accidentally touching it and getting zapped (even though I know that possibility is highly unlikely...just a psychological thing). Here are some photos of my strobe power supply installation just aft of F-706 (baggage bulkhead): http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030525_strobe_brackets.jpg http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030525_power_supply_mounted.jpg http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030611_strobe_power_supply.jpg And here's where I installed my ELT, for reference: http://rvproject.com/images/2003/20030603_elt_installed.jpg It's at the aft end of the bellcrank support rib, just fwd of F-707. Hope this helps, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply > --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" > > Karie, you should also consider installing the power supply aft of the > baggage compartment in the vicinity of the bellcrank. I built a little > platform in this area for the ELT and strobe p/s. Easy to get to. > > Pat Hatch > RV-4 > RV-6 > RV-7 QB (Building) > Vero Beach, FL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karie Daniel" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > > > > I'm wondering if anyone has some pictures or details where to mount the > power supply for a Whelen lighting system. It's the system Van's sells with > a single power supply unit. > > > > As always, thanks for the great replies. Oh, I did search the archives and > found only a few who had mounted under the baggage compartment seat. Is this > the best spot? > > > > Karie Daniel > > Sammamish, WA > > RV-7A > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:41 AM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" You make a good point. My main concern though with mounting it under the seat or baggage compartment is that the power supply has to put off a fair amount of heat when being used. I'm not sure I want heated seats! The pics I've seen of the baggage compartment mounting look good though. BTW... I have recieved several e-mails with great pics and suggestions. Thank you all! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply > --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" > > Before you mount the power supply (or anything else) under the seat, > consider that this is a crumple zone in the event of a crash/hard landing > and whether you would want that object in intimate contact with your > posterior. (Fill-in your own bad jokes here;-) > > Regards, > Greg Young - Houston (DWH) > RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix > Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A > > > > I have addressed the location of the Whelen power supplies on > > previous posts and to answer your question re installing it > > under the seats (or baggage compartment), from my experience, > > is the best place to put it because noise radiation from the > > wiring is enclosed and shielded by the fuselage structure. I > > don't know how the wiring kit came from Van's but the kit I > > bought at OSH a few years back, had four Molex connectors > > with pig-tails which must be spliced to the shielded wiring > > to the wings and tail (my case) lights and the power supply > > wires. So the shielding integrity is interrupted by these > > splices, therefore a noise source, which is contained within the area. > > > > The nice thing of putting the PS there is the wiring does not > > have to pass through the wing spars, as it would if it is > > mounted in a forward area, assuming, of course, that the > > wiring to the wing tips runs aft of the spar. > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:49 AM PST US From: "Matt Smith" Subject: RV-List: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Smith" Does anyone know of a good source for RV model specific entry speeds and attitudes for basic sport aerobatics? Specifically for a 6A. Also, if anyone knows of a good aerobatics instructor within a hundred miles or so of Lexington, KY, that would be great also. Thanks, Matt RV6A -- Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:00 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Ordering Tools From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I'm getting ready to order tools (to build a -10) and planning to get the Avery RV kit. Is there anything that I should include or exclude from the standard kit? BTW, thanks to all who replied to my earlier post about air compressors. Bob ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:36 PM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com I have some aerobatic speeds listed on my POH. You can d/l it from my website. http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm cheers, Mike Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Matt Smith [mailto:viperpilot@usa.com] Subject: RV-List: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Smith" Does anyone know of a good source for RV model specific entry speeds and attitudes for basic sport aerobatics? Specifically for a 6A. Also, if anyone knows of a good aerobatics instructor within a hundred miles or so of Lexington, KY, that would be great also. Thanks, Matt RV6A -- Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:26 PM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: RV-List: Archer VOR antenna and Garmin 430 --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens OK, so I should read the installation instructions first....but they're, like 300 pages (and they're at the hangar, I'm not), so I have a stupid question. In looking at the archives, I see people using the Archer's VOR wingtip antenna for localizer and glide slope. But my new (oh, boy!) 430 that I'm installing in my RV-6 has 2 bnc connectors in the back of the unit, one labled NAV, and the other G/S. What gives. Do I need a splitter or something. Give me a structures problem, no sweat, but these electrons hurt my head.... Laird RV-6 SoCal ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:41 PM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: RV-List: [SoCAL-RVlist] Re: Archer VOR antenna and Garmin 430 --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens OK, I see the little bugger I need. Thanks! >Laird, >Spruce has the splitter you need. I have the same setup you are >installing (it works great). >Robert > > >--- In SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com, Laird Owens wrote: >> OK, so I should read the installation instructions first....but >> they're, like 300 pages (and they're at the hangar, I'm not), so I >> have a stupid question. >> >> In looking at the archives, I see people using the Archer's VOR >> wingtip antenna for localizer and glide slope. But my new (oh, >boy!) >> 430 that I'm installing in my RV-6 has 2 bnc connectors in the >back >> of the unit, one labled NAV, and the other G/S. >> >> What gives. Do I need a splitter or something. >> >> Give me a structures problem, no sweat, but these electrons hurt >my head.... >> >> Laird >> RV-6 WHP > >ADVERTISEMENT > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >socal-rvlist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:05 PM PST US From: "George McNutt" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" Subject: RV-List: RV aerobatics techniques and speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Smith" Does anyone know of a good source for RV model specific entry speeds and attitudes for basic sport aerobatics? Specifically for a 6A. Also, if anyone knows of a good aerobatics instructor within a hundred miles or so of Lexington, KY, that would be great also. Thanks, Matt RV6A Entry speeds are listed in RV-6A building instructions Section 15, page 25. George McNutt Langley B.C. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:57 PM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Archer VOR antenna and Garmin 430 --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Laird, Yes, you need either an additional antenna for the GS or a splitter to separate the VOR/LOC and the GS from your VOR antenna. I have a 430 and a splitter connected to a "cat's whisker" antenna atop my vertical stab. Regards, Richard Dudley -6A finishing details Laird Owens wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > OK, so I should read the installation instructions first....but > they're, like 300 pages (and they're at the hangar, I'm not), so I > have a stupid question. > > In looking at the archives, I see people using the Archer's VOR > wingtip antenna for localizer and glide slope. But my new (oh, boy!) > 430 that I'm installing in my RV-6 has 2 bnc connectors in the back > of the unit, one labled NAV, and the other G/S. > > What gives. Do I need a splitter or something. > > Give me a structures problem, no sweat, but these electrons hurt my head.... > > Laird > RV-6 SoCal > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:40 PM PST US From: dmedema@att.net Subject: RV-List: Dynon releases EFIS-D10 Magnetic Calibration Program --> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net Dynon Avionics is pleased to announce the availability of the EFIS-D10 in- panel Magnetic Calibration Program and instructions. Owners of the EFIS-D10 can now calibrate the magnetic sensors internal to the EFIS-D10 to improve the accuracy of the heading displayed on the EFIS-D10. This calibration procedure applies only to EFIS-D10 stand-alone installations. Customers who have installed the EDC-D10 Electronic Digital Compass module should not perform this calibration. The program and instructions can be downloaded from our web site at www.dynonavionics.com. Doug Medema Dynon Avionics RV-6A N276DM (reserved) working on pre-inspection paper-work. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:42 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Karie, you have obviously received several responses that address various positions used in placement of the power supply. However, I am going to put this out just to satisfy my own thinking. If I'm totally off the wall here, please let me know. I too looked at placing the unit under a baggage floor. My unit just barely fit with very little room between the top of the unit and the floor. Since heat is a major issue with electronic equipment longevity I pitched this idea. My thinking says this unit has got to generate some heat. Since heat rises, there would be very little space above the unit for the heat to dissipate. Add to this, the alum. sheet directly above it would probably have "stuff" stacked on it, ie., baggage in the baggage compartment acting as insulation. It may generate so very little heat this is a non issue, just my convaluted (as in long-winded) thinking. I mounted mine like Dan illustrated thinking an "open" install just might prolong the power supplies life. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:14 PM PST US From: "David R. Cook" Subject: RV-List: Access to bolts to VS to fuse. --> RV-List message posted by: "David R. Cook" Listers Stupid question 932. How do you get to the nuts on the inside of the fuse that hold the bottom of the vertical stab to the fuse. I guess I made the access hole to small to get my fist into. The cover plate is 2&1/2 by 3&1/4. I'm in the process of drilling the top holes but I need to snug up the bottom bolts to get the VS to lie flat. Of coarse I will need to get to the bolts latter anyhow. Thanks Dave Cook ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:15 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Night Vision --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" In about 8 weeks, I start night vision goggle training in an OH-58. I'll have about 20 hours of night flight with goggles on. Not sure what generation we use here in the Army. I'd be happy to provide feedback when I get through at the end of November. My experience with goggles are they are horrible for depth perception. I've driven with them. Can't imaging flying with them. Night flight is truly enjoyable, and doesn't need to be ruined by looking at fuzzy green light. IMHO, fly IFR altitudes (if not IFR flight plan) and enjoy the ride. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Night Vision > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > > > > I was just reading the AOPA Pilot magazine article on night flight. Has > > anyone used night vision goggles to tell the difference between forest > > and field at night? I am talking about surplus type of goggle like the > > Harbor freight import. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47626 > > Would such a goggle be of any use for improving safety of night flight? > > I've used generation 1, 2 and 3 goggles. There are several issues with them. > The early models have poor resolution and light intensifying capability. > Since you are looking at a tv screen and not at the actual image the > resolution is very important. Cheap models (Costco, Harbor Freight, Sam's > etc.) usually are gen 1 and do not work well. Gen 1 is 1960s technology, > can you imagine using a 1960s computer today? Gen 2 are a big improvement > over gen 1 but still are not real great. They are Desert Storm vintage. > Same deal. Could you stand to use a 1980's computer? The close up > resolution is good but the poor light gathering and intensification make > distance resolution tough. Gen 3 are daylight vision with great resolution. > They work as you might imagine night vision should. The earlier models are > not that useful. Since you are looking at a bright tv screen you can kiss > your night vision goodbye when you take the goggles off. The field of view > is very limited. The focus is adjustable, but you can only see near or > far... With the focus adjusted to see the ground, you can not read the > instrument panel or visa versa. The goggles I'm familiar with are not fast > to change the focus on. With mine you can set one eye to close focus and > one to far. This can let you see your instruments and the ground with > monovision. You can't do that with the single tube models. Here is a link > to the company I have dealt with for years. I've been happy with their > service and they have saved me a ton of money on parts and pieces to do > upgrades and repairs of my equipment. > > http://www.stano.night-vision.com/html/nvg.html > > It would be interesting to try flying with them as a passenger to explore > the usefulness. I'm not sure I'd survive an attempted landing wearing them > without significant training and another pilot to help fly the plane... > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:15 PM PST US From: "Ron Walker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering Tools --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" If you have the empennage already completed, you do not need the jig brackets - they will credit the price against the kit price. As for anything additional -- the Longeron yoke on either the hand squeezer or a pneumatic squeezer will go a loooooooong way. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RV-List: Ordering Tools > --> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > I'm getting ready to order tools (to build a -10) and planning to get > the Avery RV kit. Is there anything that I should include or exclude > from the standard kit? > > BTW, thanks to all who replied to my earlier post about air compressors. > > Bob > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:05 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Peach Tree - Del Kaulb (spelling a bit off)... They are great !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dane Sheahen Subject: RV-List: Atlanta area RVer's freindly airport near downtown Atlanta > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" > > Does any one have any recommendations for an RV friendly airport close to > Downtown Atlanta. > I have to be there for 4 days attending an ACE Hardware Convention in > October. This is my first major trip with my RV8a N838RV. I am a VFR pilot > and use to flying around Chicago Metro with all the airspace restrictions > and congestion. > > Any suggestion on which airport go into please E-Mail at dane@mutualace.com > > > Do not archive > > Dane Sheahen > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:20 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" Speaking of strobes...are there any advantages of the Whelan over the Aeroflash? It seems that the Aeroflash offer a significant price savings. Given that the Aeroflash are not PMA'd (and don't carry the price premium), they would be the "experimental" aircraft owners choice. Are those with the Aeroflash happy customers? Thanks, Scott 7A Emp/Wings Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:21 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes > --> RV-List message posted by: "" > > > Speaking of strobes...are there any advantages of the Whelan over the Aeroflash? It seems that the Aeroflash offer a significant price savings. Given that the Aeroflash are not PMA'd (and don't carry the price premium), they would be the "experimental" aircraft owners choice. Are those with the Aeroflash happy customers? > > Thanks, > Scott > 7A Emp/Wings > > Check the archives. Probably 500 differing opinions in there. KB do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:54 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:Aeroflash vs. Whelen Strobes --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Chech out > http://strobesnmore.com/ I biught Whelen power supply and 4 strobe units with cables for $199. They aren't WX proof and I used a clear glass teardrop light from ebay and built my own strobe/tailight units for 5 bucks or so. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:27 PM PST US From: "Wayne Pedersen" Subject: RV-List: fuel flo sensor and high pressure fuel pump --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" I am starting to plumb the high pressure fuel pump and the fuel flo transducer that hooks to my IK2000 engine monitor. Any one have experience on how to keep the transducer 12 inches away from the pump, after the filter and on the suction side ? Im getting lots of slivers scratching my head on this one. Thanks Wayne S.Alberta RV 7a IO-360 --- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:30 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Aerobatic Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com In my experience: DON"T EVER split"S" at anything over 100 MPH. I came whistling out the bottom WAAAY past redline once - Just Once ! An RV aerobatic instructor might just save some gray hair. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:49 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RE: RV-List: Ordering Tools --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" Agree to both and if you can afford it get the pneumatic squeezer! Order more cleo's than you think you'll need (they're cheap and totally worth every penny). I love my Sioux drill. That and the pneumatic you'd have to pry from my cold dead hands. If I had it to do over again (and I may still do it yet) I'd get the new C Frame dimpler by Experimental Aero (http://experimentalaero.com/drdt-1.htm). I already have the regular c-frame from Avery and like it. That's probably the only diversion from Avery I'd make. I can sure see where the new design might be beneficial though! Good luck! Bob Hassel -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walker Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering Tools --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" If you have the empennage already completed, you do not need the jig brackets - they will credit the price against the kit price. As for anything additional -- the Longeron yoke on either the hand squeezer or a pneumatic squeezer will go a loooooooong way. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RV-List: Ordering Tools > --> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > I'm getting ready to order tools (to build a -10) and planning to get > the Avery RV kit. Is there anything that I should include or exclude > from the standard kit? > > BTW, thanks to all who replied to my earlier post about air compressors. > > Bob > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:29 PM PST US From: RV6AOKC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Order of Events.... --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com Polling the masses once again.....have a few "semi-major" projects left on my 6A. Mainly: 1. Hanging Prop 2. Baffeling 3. FAB 4. Cowl Trim/Fit/Install (Skybolt Camlocks) My question is based on your past experience what is the best order to complete all of these projects? Im guessing Prop, Cowl, FAB, Baffeling??? Im at the point in vans instructions where you are for the most part on your own!!! Thanks... Kurt in OKC 6A finishing.... Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:28 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV Aerobatic Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" As an adder to Bob's point, I also recall Mike Seager saying something very similar. I think he used 80 or so KNOTS (92 MPH????). He was **VERY** insistent about this point. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > Oldsfolks@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:41 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Aerobatic Speeds > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com > > In my experience: DON"T EVER split"S" at anything over 100 MPH. I came > whistling out the bottom WAAAY past redline once - Just Once ! > An RV aerobatic instructor might just save some gray hair. > > > Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor > RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now > Charleston, Arkansas > "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:48 PM PST US From: "Brian W. Truitt" Subject: RV-List: Exporting / Importing to the States --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian W. Truitt" Can anyone direct me to a site or provide information for importing a completed and flying RV-7 into the States? In searching the FAA site I can find lots for a "certified" aircraft but nothing for a "homebuilt". I have the Canadian exporting information which looks quite straight foreward. As a homebuilt I do not believe an Export C of A will be required. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Brian W. Truitt RV-7 C-GZXM Courtenay BC ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:02 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel flo sensor and high pressure fuel pump --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/20030520.html That page shows where I ended up mounting my fuel flow transducer (for the ACS2002, I assume it's more or less the same deal). I was told to have a straight stretch of at least 5" before the transducer, with no elbows on either end, and with the "wires pointing up." You can see the spot I chose in the photos on the page above...it's located right in front of the AFP pump/filter contraption on the floor, in the middle of the tubing run from the pump up to the firewall. It took some minor tweaking of the pump housing, but no big deal. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Pedersen" Subject: RV-List: fuel flo sensor and high pressure fuel pump > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" > > I am starting to plumb the high pressure fuel pump and the fuel flo > transducer that hooks to my IK2000 engine monitor. Any one have experience > on how to keep the transducer 12 inches away from the pump, after the filter > and on the suction side ? Im getting lots of slivers scratching my head on > this one. > > Thanks > > Wayne > S.Alberta > RV 7a IO-360 > --- > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:26 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" There's tons of room behind the baggage compartment bulkhead and plenty of ventilation. I also like that it is accessible and I agree that an open install might prolong the life. Probably apples and though, I think as long as it's secure it should be OK. I can't say thanks enough for all the great pictures and e-mails. I was stumped at first then I had more ideas than I knew what to do with. Several have ask that I forward all the off-line pictures I received since they were in the same place. Let me know if you would like them and I'll gladly pass them along. Karie Daniel Sammamish, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to mount Whelen power supply > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > Karie, you have obviously received several responses that address various > positions used in placement of the power supply. However, I am going to put > this out just to satisfy my own thinking. If I'm totally off the wall here, > please let me know. > > I too looked at placing the unit under a baggage floor. My unit just barely > fit with very little room between the top of the unit and the floor. Since > heat is a major issue with electronic equipment longevity I pitched this > idea. My thinking says this unit has got to generate some heat. Since heat > rises, there would be very little space above the unit for the heat to > dissipate. Add to this, the alum. sheet directly above it would probably > have "stuff" stacked on it, ie., baggage in the baggage compartment acting > as insulation. It may generate so very little heat this is a non issue, > just my convaluted (as in long-winded) thinking. > > I mounted mine like Dan illustrated thinking an "open" install just might > prolong the power supplies life. > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > >