RV-List Digest Archive

Fri 09/05/03


Total Messages Posted: 26



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:10 AM - Re: Aileron skins (Dana Overall)
     2. 05:34 AM - Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? (Wayne R. Couture)
     3. 05:44 AM - Re: Aileron skins (Ken Simmons)
     4. 05:44 AM - Re: Radio Calls... (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
     5. 05:46 AM - Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? (GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com)
     6. 06:04 AM - canopy tinitin (Mlfred@aol.com)
     7. 07:17 AM - Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? (Sam Buchanan)
     8. 07:17 AM - Re: Radio Calls... (James E. Clark)
     9. 07:41 AM - Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? (Charlie Kuss)
    10. 07:58 AM - XCOM What's up (Garry Legare)
    11. 08:32 AM - Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? (Sam Buchanan)
    12. 08:45 AM - Re: XCOM What's up (Chris W)
    13. 08:53 AM - AOPA news (Terry Watson)
    14. 10:34 AM - AEIO-360 engine for sale (Charlie Kuss)
    15. 10:52 AM - Re: rv-list: grounding (Crosley, Rich)
    16. 11:10 AM - Wiring the Lasar system (Crosley, Rich)
    17. 11:35 AM - grounding (RV_8 Pilot)
    18. 12:27 PM - Re: grounding (Nebr RV-8)
    19. 01:46 PM - Re: Gasoline seasonal blending (Bruce Anthony)
    20. 03:58 PM - Re: XCOM What's up (Garry Legare)
    21. 04:18 PM - Dynon delivery (Jeff Orear)
    22. 04:30 PM - Re: radio calls (rpmiller)
    23. 04:45 PM - Re: Wiring the Lasar system (DWENSING@aol.com)
    24. 06:39 PM -  (SportAV8R@aol.com)
    25. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: radio calls (Tom Gummo)
    26. 09:34 PM - Re: Wiring the Lasar system (Richard B. Rauch)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:10:08 AM PST US
    From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron skins
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com> > >Working on the ailerons for my 8. Is there a top/bottom to the skins? They >are marked left and right, but no top and bottom. Ken, I haven't seen a public response to your question so I'll fire one off. A couple things orient the skin the correct way. As a reference the first prepunched rivet hole on the inboard side is a little over 1.5" while the same hole on the outboard is a little over an inch. Now take the spar marked either left or right. With the outboard and inboard rivet holes spaced differently, the correct spar will only fit in one way. Now you have a left and right aileron. The >1.5 rivet hole spacing is the inboard side of the aileron, thus it defines the top of the skin. Now just take our sharpie out and mark everything. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon


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    Time: 05:34:32 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
    Subject: Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com> I've called a half dozen manufacturers to ask the same thing, all said no. If you find someone, let me know. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: <N223RV@aol.com> Subject: RV-List: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? > --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com > > I know most of us are using Vetterman exhaust, but I was wondering if there > is a tuned exhaust system available to fit in an RV-7 with an O-360? > > Any ideas? Any word on performance? Price? > > Thanks for any help! > -Mike Kraus > >


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    Time: 05:44:47 AM PST US
    From: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron skins
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com> Thanks Dana and James, It makes sense after seeing your two replies and one from the RV8 Yahoo list. I should have looked a little closer. I guess I'm starting to rely too much on "The List". I probably shouldn't be trying to intrepret the plans at 6:00AM either. Thanks. Ken do not archive ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com> >> >>Working on the ailerons for my 8. Is there a top/bottom to the skins? They >>are marked left and right, but no top and bottom. > > >Ken, I haven't seen a public response to your question so I'll fire one off. > A couple things orient the skin the correct way. As a reference the first >prepunched rivet hole on the inboard side is a little over 1.5" while the >same hole on the outboard is a little over an inch. Now take the spar >marked either left or right. With the outboard and inboard rivet holes >spaced differently, the correct spar will only fit in one way. Now you have >a left and right aileron. The >1.5 rivet hole spacing is the inboard side >of the aileron, thus it defines the top of the skin. Now just take our >sharpie out and mark everything. > >http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon > The Internet Truckstop The first and largest freight matching service on the Intenet ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at truckstop.com


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    Time: 05:44:47 AM PST US
    From: mstewart@qa.butler.com
    Subject: Radio Calls...
    tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Direction? It can be done from any direction. If your coming in on a downwind, or base, just keep it very wide and long. Remember this maneuver is done at cruise setting. You are on "initial" at the 3 mile straight in point. So if you call out say 6 miles left base for initial, expect the controller to respond, "report initial", meaning get wide, head out for a straight in. call initial at 3 miles as instructed. All this is subject to your learning the jargon and what is allowed. At my towered airport, which sees a lot of initials in many different types of aircraft, they will take a single ship initial in say a left base and say "report 1 mile initial" meaning they see I have no need to get 3 miles away to set the flight up for initial since there is no flight and it is just me, so they want me to just come barreling in and report 1 mile initial. The purpose for the 3 miles "initial" or straight in is that when your working a formation, when you hit that 3 mile mark and your barreling in, your flight is pretty much committed and your gonna get into the pattern and the tower needs to know that. The flight is not as maneuverable as a single ship, and the flight lead is maneuvering the flight into the proper echelon for landing (remembering that you ALWAYS break away from the echelon). The flight lead expects that when he calls "3 mile initial" as requested by the tower, he and his flight are committed to coming in and the tower had better make sure he makes a hole for landing cause the flight is hauling A#@ and there is no turning back. You could Not execute the break if someone else has screwed up in the pattern or on the ground and just keep going straight. That's a lot of verbage and hopefully your not confused by the words. Excellent thread guys. Great input from some experienced pilots. Lots of learning going on here. And your right.. bet the number of requested initials this weekend doubles! Have fun guys and enjoy a fun maneuver that the RV executes very well. And this is a maneuver where the c/s guys get all the fun! You would not believe how fast you can get a c/s rv on the ground when passing over the numbers for a carrier break, 20'.... I mean 500' high at 220mph. Its amazing! Do not archive Mike Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Clinchy, Dave [mailto:clinchd@losrios.edu] Subject: RE: RV-List: Radio Calls... --> RV-List message posted by: "Clinchy, Dave" <clinchd@losrios.edu> I'm loving this thread - I've heard this many times on the radio and always wanted to try it. One more question: Is the "initial" done from a predefined direction? Or is it done from whatever your approach direction might happen to be? Dave C RV 7 Fuse Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clayton Henderson Subject: RE: RV-List: Radio Calls... --> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net> Bill, I've heard all kinds of initial and overhead calls...and the controllers seem to get the picture as long as you say something close. But, this is how we were taught to do it in the late 90's when I was in flight school in Kingsville, TX, and how most fleet Marine and Navy squadrons do it. "Tower, Devil 255 flight of two, initial, for the break" or "...for the carrier" meaning 600' AGL Aircraft Carrier pattern. The airforce calls it the overhead, I believe. The tower typically responds, "Roger 255, number 1 for the carrier, report the numbers." Meaning you're first in line to land, report back to the tower when you arrive over the runway numbers at the approach end. Then, as the approach end numbers slide under the nose you say, "255, numbers."...look over at your dash two all sucked in nice and tight, give him the 'kiss-off' signal, and freakin' yank that sucker around!!...all the while chopping throttle and dropping flaps (at the appropriate speeds of course), and speed breaks, and the barn door, and anything else you think might get you slowed down to gear speed by the 180 position. :) You started this thing at around 450kts!!! Honestly, it's not as violent a maneuver as I'm making it sound. But there is the unwritten rule of all fighter pilots. 'You might look like hell anywhere else, but you better look good at the break..." Anyway, if this doesn't paint the picture, I probably can go dig up my old flight school manuals and give it to you verbatim. Clayton Henderson RV-7 Fuselage -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Radio Calls... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com> Can someone give me some example of how to properly call an "initial" and a "360 Overhead"? Thanks! Bill VonDane RV-8A www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.


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    Time: 05:46:07 AM PST US
    From: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360?
    --> RV-List message posted by: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com I ran into the same dilemma when building two RV6 aircraft with LYC IO-360-B1B engines. I designed the exhaust system based on data gathered from numerous sources and had Vernon Rich in Phoenix (DVT airport) build for me. Each primary tube is exactly 40" long and flow into a 11" collector aligned with the aircraft centerline. The first flight is scheduled for next month and performance details will become available then. Greg Schmidt RV6S N250GS Phoenix DVT


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    Time: 06:04:19 AM PST US
    From: Mlfred@aol.com
    Subject: canopy tinitin
    --> RV-List message posted by: Mlfred@aol.com I can't find anyone in the archives that has a darker canopy the the 2514. I am looking at a bronze/smoke 2404 with 49% penetration to go with my spartan gold stripping/black. Anybody out there with anything darker than 59% care to talk? I'm sorry but I don't remember the person's name with the beautiful red 8 with the really, really dark canopy that posted something here about his paint job..........the one at Oshkosh this year. Send me something off list if you do not see this as beneficial to all. I have to make a decision by the beginning of the week. The shop is only a couple hours from my house so I am just going to drive and pick my canopy up instead of having it drop shipped or shipped to Van's and supplied with my finish kit. Dana Overall Richmond, KY Hey Dana: We sell the 2404 with the F1 kits as an option --- we have one on the demo ship. It's much cooler than the 2514, even with a sunshade on the 2514! I think something darker would not be good for night VFR. I've seen the -8 you refer to -- very nice work, and striking to look at. You'll be happy with the 2404, IMHO. Cheers Mark Team Rocket


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    Time: 07:17:04 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360?
    --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> You might check with Sky Dynamics: http://www.skydynamics.com/homepage.html Sam Buchanan ===================== "Wayne R. Couture" wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com> > > I've called a half dozen manufacturers to ask the same thing, all said no. > If you find someone, let me know. > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <N223RV@aol.com> > To: <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RV-List: Tuned Exhaust for O-360? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com > > > > I know most of us are using Vetterman exhaust, but I was wondering if > there > > is a tuned exhaust system available to fit in an RV-7 with an O-360? > > > > Any ideas? Any word on performance? Price? > > > > Thanks for any help! > > -Mike Kraus > >


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    Time: 07:17:04 AM PST US
    From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
    Subject: Radio Calls...
    --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com> Mike, I removed the "d* n*t *rchive" as I think this *should* be there for future reference. James ... practicing this stuff and still learning as well > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > mstewart@qa.butler.com > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:44 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Radio Calls... > > > --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com > > Direction? It can be done from any direction. If your coming in on a > downwind, or base, just keep it very wide and long. Remember this maneuver > is done at cruise setting. You are on "initial" at the 3 mile straight in > point. So if you call out say 6 miles left base for initial, expect the > controller to respond, "report initial", meaning get wide, head out for a > straight in. call initial at 3 miles as instructed. > > All this is subject to your learning the jargon and what is allowed. At my > towered airport, which sees a lot of initials in many different types of > aircraft, they will take a single ship initial in say a left base and say > "report 1 mile initial" meaning they see I have no need to get 3 > miles away > to set the flight up for initial since there is no flight and it > is just me, > so they want me to just come barreling in and report 1 mile initial. > > The purpose for the 3 miles "initial" or straight in is that when your > working a formation, when you hit that 3 mile mark and your barreling in, > your flight is pretty much committed and your gonna get into the > pattern and > the tower needs to know that. The flight is not as maneuverable > as a single > ship, and the flight lead is maneuvering the flight into the > proper echelon > for landing (remembering that you ALWAYS break away from the echelon). The > flight lead expects that when he calls "3 mile initial" as > requested by the > tower, he and his flight are committed to coming in and the tower > had better > make sure he makes a hole for landing cause the flight is hauling A#@ and > there is no turning back. You could Not execute the break if someone else > has screwed up in the pattern or on the ground and just keep > going straight. > > > That's a lot of verbage and hopefully your not confused by the words. > > Excellent thread guys. Great input from some experienced pilots. Lots of > learning going on here. > And your right.. bet the number of requested initials this > weekend doubles! > Have fun guys and enjoy a fun maneuver that the RV executes very well. And > this is a maneuver where the c/s guys get all the fun! You would > not believe > how fast you can get a c/s rv on the ground when passing over the numbers > for a carrier break, 20'.... I mean 500' high at 220mph. Its amazing! [line deleted] > > Mike Stewart > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clinchy, Dave [mailto:clinchd@losrios.edu] > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Radio Calls... > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Clinchy, Dave" <clinchd@losrios.edu> > > I'm loving this thread - I've heard this many times on the radio and > always wanted to try it. One more question: Is the "initial" done from a > predefined direction? Or is it done from whatever your approach > direction might happen to be? > > Dave C > RV 7 Fuse > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clayton > Henderson > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Radio Calls... > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net> > > Bill, > > I've heard all kinds of initial and overhead calls...and the controllers > seem to get the picture as long as you say something close. But, this > is how we were taught to do it in the late 90's when I was in flight > school in Kingsville, TX, and how most fleet Marine and Navy squadrons > do it. > > "Tower, Devil 255 flight of two, initial, for the break" or "...for the > carrier" meaning 600' AGL Aircraft Carrier pattern. The airforce calls > it the overhead, I believe. > > The tower typically responds, "Roger 255, number 1 for the carrier, > report the numbers." Meaning you're first in line to land, report back > to the tower when you arrive over the runway numbers at the approach > end. > > Then, as the approach end numbers slide under the nose you say, "255, > numbers."...look over at your dash two all sucked in nice and tight, > give him the 'kiss-off' signal, and freakin' yank that sucker > around!!...all the while chopping throttle and dropping flaps (at the > appropriate speeds of course), and speed breaks, and the barn door, and > anything else you think might get you slowed down to gear speed by the > 180 position. :) You started this thing at around 450kts!!! > > Honestly, it's not as violent a maneuver as I'm making it sound. But > there is the unwritten rule of all fighter pilots. 'You might look like > hell anywhere else, but you better look good at the break..." > > Anyway, if this doesn't paint the picture, I probably can go dig up my > old flight school manuals and give it to you verbatim. > > Clayton Henderson > RV-7 Fuselage > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8list@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RV-List: Radio Calls... > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com> > > Can someone give me some example of how to properly call an "initial" > and a "360 Overhead"? > > Thanks! > > > Bill VonDane > RV-8A > www.vondane.com > www.creativair.com > www.epanelbuilder.com > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > >


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    Time: 07:41:29 AM PST US
    From: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360?
    --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> Mike Sky Dynamics makes 4 into 1 tuned exhausts for the RV series. They do a lot of business with the acro crowd. http://www.skydynamics.com/homepage.html There aren't any photos of their exhaust on the web page. You can also contact Custom Aircraft Parts. They make 4 into 1 exhausts for the tail wheel RVs http://www.customaircraft.com/ Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com > >I know most of us are using Vetterman exhaust, but I was wondering if there >is a tuned exhaust system available to fit in an RV-7 with an O-360? > >Any ideas? Any word on performance? Price? > >Thanks for any help! >-Mike Kraus > >


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    Time: 07:58:34 AM PST US
    From: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
    Subject: XCOM What's up
    --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net> I e-mail from their site yesterday, a request for an update as to when they projected my transceivers would be shipped. It was returned as "Host Unknown". Anybody else hear from them. I'm redoing my panel this winter and was going to use a pair of their radios. Still got some time, but getting concerned. Casper


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    Time: 08:32:01 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Tuned Exhaust for O-360?
    --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> Charlie Kuss wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> > > Mike > Sky Dynamics makes 4 into 1 tuned exhausts for the RV series. They do a lot of business with the acro crowd. > http://www.skydynamics.com/homepage.html > There aren't any photos of their exhaust on the web page. <snip> Here are photos: http://www.skydynamics.com/homepage.html http://www.skydynamics.com/homepage.html Sam Buchanan ==================================== > > >--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com > > > >I know most of us are using Vetterman exhaust, but I was wondering if there > >is a tuned exhaust system available to fit in an RV-7 with an O-360? > > > >Any ideas? Any word on performance? Price? > > > >Thanks for any help! > >-Mike Kraus > >


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    Time: 08:45:20 AM PST US
    From: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: XCOM What's up
    --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> Garry Legare wrote: > I e-mail from their site yesterday, a request for an update as to when > they projected my transceivers would be shipped. It was returned as > "Host Unknown". Anybody else hear from them. I'm redoing my panel this > winter and was going to use a pair of their radios. Still got some time, > but getting concerned. > Casper There can be temporary glitches in the DNS lookup that will give you that error. I would just double check the email address and try again a few hours later. -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania


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    Time: 08:53:05 AM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: AOPA news
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com> There was a familiar name in this morning's AOPA e-mail newsletter: VOLUNTEER OF THE MONTH-RANDALL HENDERSON Two years after his appointment as the AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer for Seaside Municipal Airport in Seaside, Oregon, Randall Henderson is the vice chairman and liaison to state and federal government agencies for the city airport committee. His efforts at the airport include convincing the City of Seaside to commit to keeping the airport, applying for a federal grant, and creating a nine-member airport committee. Henderson credits the ASN program, its resources, and the credibility of his ASN volunteer status with creating the incentive and confidence to follow through with the challenge of saving an airport. Why not join the program and help your airport? See AOPA Online.


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    Time: 10:34:18 AM PST US
    From: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: AEIO-360 engine for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> Listers, Our local EAA Chapter held a picnic at Willis Gliderport in Boynton Beach recently. While speaking to the son in law of our host, I noticed a low time 360 engine sitting on a pallet in his hanger. I asked him about it. He told me that it was an AEIO-360-A1E (200 hp) engine with 70 hours TT since new. It was removed from an aircraft to install a Lycoming AEIO-540 engine. I thought someone on the list might be interested in it. I'm interested, but don't have that sort of cash. The engine has a Monte Barrett forward facing sump, so you could eliminate the intake snorkel. For more info please contact Chris Meyer directly at Chrism2@bellsouth.net or by phone at (561)737-6306 Price is $25,000 or best offer. I do have several photos I can send off list to anyone interested, I can email them to you. Charlie Kuss RV-8A cockpit systems stuff


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    Time: 10:52:58 AM PST US
    From: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
    Subject: re: rv-list: grounding
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM> Jim, I am also building an "8" and using Van's wiring kit. I added B&C's grounding block in addition. I ran a wire from the back side of the firewall ground to the bulkhead behind the instrument panel and ground everything there to the block. Might try that. Here is the web site. http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 Rich Crosley Palmdale, CA RV-8 wiring and engine


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    Time: 11:10:57 AM PST US
    From: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
    Subject: Wiring the Lasar system
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM> I bought the l Lasar system for my O-360 but didn't receive any installation information. Van's says they don't supply wiring info. Does any one have the data or do I buy the manual from Unison? Thanks Rich Crosley Palmdale, CA RV-8


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    Time: 11:35:28 AM PST US
    From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
    Subject: grounding
    --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com> In my -8, I have a couple of grounding blocks behind the instrument panel wired to the main airframe ground fwd of the firewall. Everything else - strobe transformer, land lights, nav lights,aux fuel pump, etc - is all grounded through the airframe. No noise filters on the mag p-leads either, and (fortunately) have essentially no "electrical noise" or other negative effects evident. my 2 Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas >I am also building an "8" and using Van's wiring kit. I added B&C's >grounding block in addition. I ran a wire from the back side of the >firewall >ground to the bulkhead behind the instrument panel and ground everything >there to the block. Might try that. Here is the web site. >http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com


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    Time: 12:27:40 PM PST US
    From: "Nebr RV-8" <nebrrv8@earthlink.net>
    Subject: grounding
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Nebr RV-8" <nebrrv8@earthlink.net> Thanks guys. That is how I will do it. Jim Muegge -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV_8 Pilot Subject: RV-List: grounding --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com> In my -8, I have a couple of grounding blocks behind the instrument panel wired to the main airframe ground fwd of the firewall. Everything else - strobe transformer, land lights, nav lights,aux fuel pump, etc - is all grounded through the airframe. No noise filters on the mag p-leads either, and (fortunately) have essentially no "electrical noise" or other negative effects evident. my 2 Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas >I am also building an "8" and using Van's wiring kit. I added B&C's >grounding block in addition. I ran a wire from the back side of the >firewall >ground to the bulkhead behind the instrument panel and ground everything >there to the block. Might try that. Here is the web site. >http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com


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    Time: 01:46:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gasoline seasonal blending
    From: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com> Bill, The federal mandate requires that low RVP gasoline be sold at retail between June 1 and September 15 each year. Smart retailers are probably there before September 15th as the penalties are pretty severe. I am not sure if that changes for so-called ozone non-attainment areas or not. Where do you live? Is there any particular reason why you don't want to use higher vapor pressure gasoline? Just wondering. Bruce Anthony N942CB reserved Rosemount, Minnesota In the empennage stage still


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    Time: 03:58:36 PM PST US
    From: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: XCOM What's up
    --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net> Hey Chris, thanks for the suggestion, but my most recent attempt failed as well. Also I e-mail them about 10 days ago and it wasn't returned, but there hasn't been a response to that email. Casper Chris W wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> > >Garry Legare wrote: > > > >>I e-mail from their site yesterday, a request for an update as to when >>they projected my transceivers would be shipped. It was returned as >>"Host Unknown". Anybody else hear from them. I'm redoing my panel this >>winter and was going to use a pair of their radios. Still got some time, >>but getting concerned. >>Casper >> >> > >There can be temporary glitches in the DNS lookup that will give you that >error. I would just double check the email address and try again a few >hours later. > > >-- >Chris Woodhouse >3147 SW 127th St. >Oklahoma City, OK 73170 >405-691-5206 >chrisw@programmer.net >N35 20.492' >W97 34.342' > >"They that can give up essential liberty >to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." >-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania > > >Do not archive > > > >


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    Time: 04:18:41 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
    Subject: Dynon delivery
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com> List: Thought those that are interested in the Dynon might like to know that they are ahead of schedule with production. I ordered my unit (number 423) at Oshkosh and was told that delivery would be in 12 weeks. Got the call today that it has been shipped out and will be here next week. That makes it a 6 week lead time to date. Guess I better get moving on my panel!! Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A finish kit Peshtigo, WI


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    Time: 04:30:57 PM PST US
    From: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
    Subject: re: radio calls
    --> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net> Hey fellas this overhead break thing sounds great and like a lot of fun but I just wanted to mention that untill reading about it here I would have had no idea what someone calling "initial" etc. etc. was talking about. Admittedly I only have 125 hours total but I am sure there are a lot more pilots like me flying at uncontrolled fields that would have no idea what you were doing if you came roaring over the field and broke. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it I'm just saying that you have to remember that some of us don't have radios in our J-3s and you should look out for us because we sure as hell are going to be confused. This goes double for people on long final which doesn't confuse us but just pisses us off. Please don't chastise me for not having looked this up in the AIM because my point is that I suspect most new pilots don't even know there is anything to look up, and maybe they can't hear you anyway. Two aphorisms: When your dead being right isn't much consolation. Just because you know what your doing, don't assume everyone else does. no flames intended, do not archive


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    Time: 04:45:09 PM PST US
    From: DWENSING@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Wiring the Lasar system
    --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 9/5/03 2:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM writes: > I bought the l Lasar system for my O-360 but didn't receive any > installation > information. Van's says they don't supply wiring info. Does any one have > the data or do I buy the manual from Unison? > > Contact Unison. If I remember correctly, they gave me the manual and also a VCR tape on installation - free. I purchased the LASAR with the engine from Aero Sport Power. Dale Ensing Aero Plantation North Carolina


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    Time: 06:39:57 PM PST US
    From: SportAV8R@aol.com
    --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com Where do you live? Is there any particular reason why you don't want to use higher vapor pressure gasoline? Yeah, Bruce: vapor lock. I hope to avoid it. I believe I have experienced it several times on startup at a mountain airport (3800MSL) after a quick stop and restart (5-10 minutes to heat-soak); either vapor lock or an over-rich condition which allows a start but the engine sputters and dies, becoming very difficult to restart. I never want to face this on takeoff if it's vapor lock, so I try to stack the deck in my favor. -Bill


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    Time: 07:46:26 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: re: radio calls
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net> I would like to add something here. Even if you don't know anything about the overhead pattern, it should not effect the way you fly your pattern. The pilot calling INITIAL at a uncontrolled field has the responsibility to fit his plane or flight into the other aircraft already in the pattern. At a controlled field, the controller should be doing this. Knowledge is power. Now that you know a little about the pattern, you should know where to look for this traffic. This is in case he / she makes a mistake and breaks into you. (I would not want to die just because I am right or have the right of way. Your point!) The break over the numbers only works if there is no one already on downwind. With a plane on downwind, I would delay the break (turn to downwind) until I knew I had proper spacing on the aircraft in front of me. In other words, I would wait until all the downwind traffic passed me and then I would break and follow them in. No radio, well we are all to look around the pattern and avoid aircraft that don't see us. Have fun. Too bad we all can't get together for a little face to face time as a 15 minute briefing would answer just about everybody's questions. Again, anybody with questions can please contact me off the list and I will do my best to answer them. Tom t.gummo@verizon.net


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    Time: 09:34:36 PM PST US
    From: "Richard B. Rauch" <richardr@apcon.com>
    Subject: Re: Wiring the Lasar system
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard B. Rauch" <richardr@apcon.com> I purchased an O-360 with the Laser system installed from Vans. I received a full manual with it. If you can't get it from Unison, let me know. I can make a copy and send it to you. Richard At 10:57 AM 9/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM> > >I bought the l Lasar system for my O-360 but didn't receive any installation >information. Van's says they don't supply wiring info. Does any one have >the data or do I buy the manual from Unison? > >Thanks > >Rich Crosley >Palmdale, CA >RV-8 > > Richard B. Rauch Email: richardr@apcon.com APCON, Inc. 17938 SW Upper Boones Ferry Rd. Portland, OR 97224 USA Ph: (503)639-6700 Fax: (503)639-6740 Web: www.apcon.com




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