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1. 04:37 AM - Alternator for Lycoming (Ronnie Brown)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Wiring the Lasar system (Gert)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Alternator for Lycoming (Elsa & Henry)
4. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: radio calls (Phat Phil)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: Radio Calls... (Clayton Henderson)
6. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: radio calls (Tom Gummo)
7. 07:29 PM - 9th Annual RV Forum, EAA486 Fulton NY (RV6160hp@aol.com)
8. 09:00 PM - wood prop wanted (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
9. 09:09 PM - photos of aluminum plenums (Dan Checkoway)
10. 09:47 PM - Slobovia Outernational Airport flyin/party (Charlie & Tupper England)
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| Subject: | Alternator for Lycoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
Does anyone know what automotive alternator (make and model of the vehicle),
that the Lycoming alternator is copied from?
My alternator shop says it is a 60-70's Chrysler or Ford but didn't know
exactly which one.
Ronnie Brown
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring the Lasar system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
I downloaded a LASAR manual (service letter SL1-96) from their website
in PDF format a while ago. maybe snoop around on their website.
Richard B. Rauch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard B. Rauch" <richardr@apcon.com>
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> I purchased an O-360 with the Laser system installed from Vans. I received a
full manual with it.
>
> If you can't get it from Unison, let me know. I can make a copy and send it to
you.
>
> Richard
>
>
> At 10:57 AM 9/5/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
>>
>>I bought the l Lasar system for my O-360 but didn't receive any installation
>>information. Van's says they don't supply wiring info. Does any one have
>>the data or do I buy the manual from Unison?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Rich Crosley
>>Palmdale, CA
>>RV-8
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> Richard B. Rauch
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator for Lycoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
The alternator that came with my 0 SMOH O-320 has an Elecrosystems Inc
plate on it that says "Orig Mfg-- Ford" , Mod-- 00315 - 15V, Pt
No-DOFF10300J. It's a large heavy brute and didn't use it on my -6A, so that
is why I had it kicking around in my basement.
Cheers! --Henry
Hore
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| Subject: | Re: re: radio calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phat Phil <phugoid@comcast.net>
I've been following this thread with great interest.
I keep reading that you call initial 1 to 3 miles out.
My question is: is this your first contact with the tower or do you
contact them 5 to 10 miles as i think most of us do
and inform them of your intentions?
Phil
Tom Gummo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>I would like to add something here.
>
>Even if you don't know anything about the overhead pattern, it should not
>effect the way you fly your pattern. The pilot calling INITIAL at a
>uncontrolled field has the responsibility to fit his plane or flight into
>the other aircraft already in the pattern. At a controlled field, the
>controller should be doing this.
>
>Knowledge is power. Now that you know a little about the pattern, you
>should know where to look for this traffic. This is in case he / she makes
>a mistake and breaks into you. (I would not want to die just because I am
>right or have the right of way. Your point!)
>
>The break over the numbers only works if there is no one already on
>downwind. With a plane on downwind, I would delay the break (turn to
>downwind) until I knew I had proper spacing on the aircraft in front of me.
>In other words, I would wait until all the downwind traffic passed me and
>then I would break and follow them in.
>
>No radio, well we are all to look around the pattern and avoid aircraft that
>don't see us.
>
>Have fun.
>
>Too bad we all can't get together for a little face to face time as a 15
>minute briefing would answer just about everybody's questions.
>
>Again, anybody with questions can please contact me off the list and I will
>do my best to answer them.
>
>Tom
>t.gummo@verizon.net
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
Yeah, but I ask the List...
Which way seems more fun!!!!
:)
CH
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sipherrv@juno.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Calls...
--> RV-List message posted by: sipherrv@juno.com
As for the USAF side of things.
1. Normally you set your self and formation lined up with the landing
runway, usually 1-3nm from the approach end of the runway at pattern
altitude.
The typical radio call is: "Viper 11 flight initial" or "Viper 11
flight
of 4 initial" or "Viper 11 flight 3 mile initial" Tower will normally
follow with "Roger Viper 11, report base". Variations 2 and 3 above are
technique and useful when trying to give the tower additional
information.
2. Prior to or upon reaching the approach end of the runway, lead gives
the pitchout signal (spinning index finger in a circular motion) and
upon
a headnod from #2, he pitches out (the USAF doesn't use the kiss-off
signal). Lead will normally then pitch out over the numbers or as
directed by tower. The pitch out is Usually a 45-80degree bank turn
using 2-max alowable G with the throttle in idle to bleed down airspeed
to final turn airspeed. (the more G, the more fun it is, plus the
tighter the patters). Number two will wait the briefed time delay and
follow (usually 5 seconds).
3. Lead will rollout, continue to slow and configure (gear and flaps).
Wingman line up directly behind lead (left/right and up/down) and
follow
with 3 and 4 matching the spacing and timing of #2.
4. Upon reaching a position abeam the point on final you desire to
roll-out of the final turn (typically 1/4 to 1nm), you start a decending
turn and make the following radio call:
The typical radio call is "Viper 11 base gear-down fullstop" or "Viper
11
base gear-down touch-n-go" Some people also add right or left to the
base call. #2, #3, and #4 will repeat this when they reach the base
position.
5. The final turn is flown in a constant decent and constant turn to
roll out on final to allow you to stabilize and correct for glidepath
and
crosswind. (USAF requires fighters and trainers to roll out at 1nm and
300ft for a 3deg glide path).
This is a quick description of the USAF way. There are differences
between the USAF and USN way of flying the overhead pattern. Having
been
an instructor in the USAF AT-38 and F-16s and the Navy T-34C at Whiting
NAS, I have instructed both ways. Overall the USAF way is easier to
learn, (one altitude, no decending break, allows a rollout on final
further from the runway, allows a constant rate of turn on final vs a
changing bank/rate of turn the Navy pattern requires due to the base
position being abeam the touchdown point).
The overhead pattern lets a formation of aircraft go from
close/fingertip
formation to a trail formation in minimum time and minimum airspace. It
eliminates the need for wingmen to slow down or perform massive
s-turning
to obtain spacing on final. It also allows aircraft to get to the
runway
in minimum time for fuel or threat.
Just my 2 cents. Thanks to everyone for all the great info and emails.
Bill Sipher
RV-4
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:27:53 -0500 "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
>
> Bill,
>
> I've heard all kinds of initial and overhead calls...and the
> controllers
> seem to get the picture as long as you say something close. But,
> this
> is how we were taught to do it in the late 90's when I was in
> flight
> school in Kingsville, TX, and how most fleet Marine and Navy
> squadrons
> do it.
>
> "Tower, Devil 255 flight of two, initial, for the break" or "...for
> the
> carrier" meaning 600' AGL Aircraft Carrier pattern. The airforce
> calls
> it the overhead, I believe.
>
> The tower typically responds, "Roger 255, number 1 for the carrier,
> report the numbers." Meaning you're first in line to land, report
> back
> to the tower when you arrive over the runway numbers at the
> approach
> end.
>
> Then, as the approach end numbers slide under the nose you say,
> "255,
> numbers."...look over at your dash two all sucked in nice and
> tight,
> give him the 'kiss-off' signal, and freakin' yank that sucker
> around!!...all the while chopping throttle and dropping flaps (at
> the
> appropriate speeds of course), and speed breaks, and the barn door,
> and
> anything else you think might get you slowed down to gear speed by
> the
> 180 position. :) You started this thing at around 450kts!!!
>
> Honestly, it's not as violent a maneuver as I'm making it sound.
> But
> there is the unwritten rule of all fighter pilots. 'You might look
> like
> hell anywhere else, but you better look good at the break..."
>
> Anyway, if this doesn't paint the picture, I probably can go dig up
> my
> old flight school manuals and give it to you verbatim.
>
> Clayton Henderson
> RV-7 Fuselage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> VonDane
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RV-List: Radio Calls...
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Can someone give me some example of how to properly call an
> "initial"
> and a "360 Overhead"?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: re: radio calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Phil,
Yes, contact the tower as far out as possible. The tower will most likely
then tell you to Report a "X" nm Initial. Then just follow their
directions. Takes the guess work out of it when using the tower.
I have had towers tell me to report a 5 nm Initial. I think the 1-3 nm
range is so that you can avoid over flying something on the ground where a
fixed distance might force you to fly near/over a school or tower, etc, etc.
Love this list, love the RV series
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phat Phil" <phugoid@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: re: radio calls
> --> RV-List message posted by: Phat Phil <phugoid@comcast.net>
>
> I've been following this thread with great interest.
> I keep reading that you call initial 1 to 3 miles out.
> My question is: is this your first contact with the tower or do you
> contact them 5 to 10 miles as i think most of us do
> and inform them of your intentions?
>
> Phil
>
>
> Tom Gummo wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> >
> >I would like to add something here.
> >
> >Even if you don't know anything about the overhead pattern, it should not
> >effect the way you fly your pattern. The pilot calling INITIAL at a
> >uncontrolled field has the responsibility to fit his plane or flight into
> >the other aircraft already in the pattern. At a controlled field, the
> >controller should be doing this.
> >
> >Knowledge is power. Now that you know a little about the pattern, you
> >should know where to look for this traffic. This is in case he / she
makes
> >a mistake and breaks into you. (I would not want to die just because I
am
> >right or have the right of way. Your point!)
> >
> >The break over the numbers only works if there is no one already on
> >downwind. With a plane on downwind, I would delay the break (turn to
> >downwind) until I knew I had proper spacing on the aircraft in front of
me.
> >In other words, I would wait until all the downwind traffic passed me and
> >then I would break and follow them in.
> >
> >No radio, well we are all to look around the pattern and avoid aircraft
that
> >don't see us.
> >
> >Have fun.
> >
> >Too bad we all can't get together for a little face to face time as a 15
> >minute briefing would answer just about everybody's questions.
> >
> >Again, anybody with questions can please contact me off the list and I
will
> >do my best to answer them.
> >
> >Tom
> >t.gummo@verizon.net
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | 9th Annual RV Forum, EAA486 Fulton NY |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
GETTING CLOSE....see you there???
Counting now some 23 RV's from Mid Atlantic RV Wing of Van's Air Force now planning
to make the trip. That is just 1 group, which provided @12 last year (out
of the 56= RV's).
If you want to se RV's and perhaps beg a ride you really have some of the best
odds here ever!!!
Not to late to attend drop us a line at:
Bill Hodge..... DRmotorHD@aol.com
David McManmon.... McManD@aol.com
September 12, 2003 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486 General
meeting night too.
September 13, 2003 Saturday technical seminars all day, meals provided to paid
attendee's. Then a nice dinner banquet with a presentation. This year Mr. Kirk
House, ex-Director Curator of the Glenn Cirtiss Museum will talk about the
books on Glenn he wrote, and how Glenn was the ultimate Experimenter!
September 14, 2003 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a coordinated
fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing.
see us at www.eaachapter486.com
Last year over 56 RV's and 25 SPAM's flew in with over 150 attendee's. There was
Mike Seager and the Factory RV6 doing instruction and manufacturers like Lycoming
and Aerospace logic with tables displaying and selling their wares.
I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask some one who has been there
the $45 is easily worth it. Hope to See
you all there.
Respectfully,
David McManmon
President EAA 486
RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM
DNA
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| Subject: | wood prop wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
If anyone removed a servicable wood prop when going to a constant speed and
would like to sell it. I know a person who is wanting one.
He needs a 70Dia. X 80-82Pitch, 0-360 bolt pattern
Thanks, Phil
Do not archive.........
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| Subject: | photos of aluminum plenums |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
If anybody has any photos of an aluminum plenum (dog house), can you please
send them my way? I'm just trying to gather perspective (aka: steal ideas)
before building mine.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Slobovia Outernational Airport flyin/party |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
You are all cordially invited to the next flyin
lunch/supper/all-weekend-long hangar party at Slobovia Outernational
Airport, 10 miles north of Jackson MS on October 17-19, 2003. If flying
fun isn't enough reason to party, it's wedding anniversary time for two
families here, so come & help us celebrate.
Overnighters are welcome any time after noon on Friday, and are welcome
to stay through Sunday. Bring your bed roll and if desired, a tent. We
have lots of indoor floor space & even more outdoor tent space, so come
on down!
We had a great turnout in July with about 45 planes, including around 20
RV's. We are hoping for at least twice that number in October.
The noon meal on Saturday will again be 'pulled pork', thanks to the
wonderful wives here in our strange corner of the universe. If you can
stay for the hangar party Saturday night, we plan on having pizza &
'beverages' with a live band for entertainment. Bring your dancin' shoes.
You can get info about our airport at airnav.com
http://www.airnav.com/airport/MS71
Update: runway length is now 4800 feet.
Disclaimer: Slobovia is a private airport. Pilots operate at their own risk.
If you need driving directions or more info, feel free to email me at
cengland@netdoor.com
or call at 601-879-9596.
FAA Identifier: MS71
Lat/Long: 32-29-42.508N / 090-17-34.325W
32-29.70847N / 090-17.57208W
32.4951411 / -90.2928681
(estimated)
Elevation: 250 ft. / 76 m (estimated)
Variation: 03E (1985)
From city: 1 mile N of POCAHONTAS, MS
Airport Operations
Airport use: Private use. Permission required prior to landing
Activation date: 11/1988
Sectional chart: MEMPHIS
<http://www.airnav.com/ad/click/taHR0cDovL3d3dy5hdnNob3.uY29tL3NlY3Rpb25hbGNoYXJ0cy5odG1sP3Jl+LZj05MyBhdnNob3..>
Control tower: no
ARTCC: MEMPHIS CENTER
FSS: GREENWOOD FLIGHT SERVICE STATION [1-800-WX-BRIEF]
Attendance: UNATNDD
Wind indicator: yes
Segmented circle: no
Lights: RDO REQ
Beacon: unknown
Airport Communications
UNICOM: 122.75
WX ASOS at HKS (10 nm S): 120.625 (601-354-4037)
WX ASOS at JAN (16 nm SE): PHONE 601-932-2822
Nearby radio navigation aids
VOR radial/distance VOR name Freq
Var
JAN
<http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/navaid-info?id=JAN&type=VORTAC&name=JACKSON>r258/6.4
JACKSON VORTAC
112.60
05E
NDB name Hdg/Dist Freq
Var ID
BRENZ
<http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/navaid-info?type=NDB&id=JH&name=BRENZ>
340/5.2
260
02E
JH .--- ....
RAYMOND
<http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/navaid-info?type=NDB&id=RYB&name=RAYMOND>
024/13.1
375
03E
RYB .-. -.-- -...
VICKSBURG
<http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/navaid-info?type=NDB&id=VKS&name=VICKSBURG>
061/35.8
382
03E
VKS ...- -.- ...
Airport Services
Runway Information
Runway 15/33
Dimensions: 3540 x 80 ft. / 1079 x 24 m
Surface: turf
RUNWAY 15 RUNWAY 33
Traffic pattern: left
left
Obstructions: 70 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway
none
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