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1. 05:41 AM - Re: May 2003 (Ed Anderson)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Good deal on an engine? (Ed Anderson)
3. 05:57 AM - to Danny Melnik (Ronschreck99@aol.com)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: to Danny Melnik (VFT@aol.com)
5. 06:32 AM - radio calls (RV_8 Pilot)
6. 06:32 AM - Air-Stop tubes (Sam Buchanan)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Good deal on an engine? (RV_8 Pilot)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: photos of aluminum plenums (Scott Bilinski)
9. 07:28 AM - My static system woes (Ralph E. Capen)
10. 07:47 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Len Leggette)
11. 08:01 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Brian Denk)
12. 08:45 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Len Leggette)
13. 08:53 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Denis Walsh)
14. 09:00 AM - Michelin Airstop Tubes (Len Leggette)
15. 09:09 AM - SL40 Wiring... (Bill VonDane)
16. 09:29 AM - SIRS Navigator Compass Adjustment Tool (dmedema@att.net)
17. 09:32 AM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes (SportAV8R@aol.com)
18. 09:34 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Sam Buchanan)
19. 10:41 AM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes (Brian Denk)
20. 11:05 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Doug Rozendaal)
21. 11:52 AM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes (Len Leggette)
22. 12:54 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Roger Embree)
23. 01:05 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (SportAV8R@aol.com)
24. 01:10 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (SportAV8R@aol.com)
25. 01:10 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Cy Galley)
26. 01:22 PM - Avery or Cleveland? (Frederick Oldenburg)
27. 02:07 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Tom Gummo)
28. 02:07 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (Gert)
29. 02:10 PM - First flight of C-FSTB (Bartrim, Todd)
30. 02:19 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (Jim Thorne)
31. 02:44 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Jim Cimino)
32. 02:49 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/06/03 (Wheeler North)
33. 03:20 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (Elsa & Henry)
34. 03:25 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Alex Peterson)
35. 03:34 PM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes now RV10 interiors (Brian Denk)
36. 03:49 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (DWENSING@aol.com)
37. 05:19 PM - Re: to Danny Melnik (Leslye Doyle)
38. 08:09 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? ()
39. 08:20 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Doug Rozendaal)
40. 10:33 PM - Re: radio calls (sipherrv@juno.com)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
> Listers:
>
> Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks.
> Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself.
>
> When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to
Michelin
> Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I haven't
> checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out of
the
> hangar just fine.
>
> Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six
> months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like an
> oil change.
>
> If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added the
> little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the
best
> money I have ever spent.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that having
to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off the
tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at their
price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their
money.
Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing.
Ed Anderson
N494BW RV-6A Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Good deal on an engine? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ronschreck99@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Good deal on an engine?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> Hi listers,
>
> I have a very good friend who was once building a HyperBipe but gave up on
> the project after buying almost everything he has to complete the
airplane. He
> has offered to sell me the
.... SNIP
on estimating the value of the engine and prop and the
> cost of replacing the sump. Have at it guys. Thanks for your help.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
> PS: Anyone interested in a HyperBipe?
>
Ron, is this Marshall Seymour's HyperBipe Project? I stopped and visited
with Marshall and Glen? several years ago and Marshall showed me his
HyperBipe project, I must say I was impressed. I presume that Glen has
finished his RV? I fly a rotary powered RV-6 and occassionally fly over
Gold Hill airpark, guess I should stop by for another visit and see your
RV-8 project.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
Danny,
Got your message but no return e-mail address. Write back off-list and I'll
send pics of the HyperBipe.
Ron Schreck
ronschreck99@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: to Danny Melnik |
--> RV-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
vft@aol.com
Danny
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Bill -
Do you use the "Viper" call sign as a civillian or in your gub'ment supplied
equipment?
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
do not archive
>"Lubbock Tower, Viper 11, ten nautical miles west of the field for
>Initial Rwy 30" (assuming I had the atis and knew what the active runway
>was).
Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Ed Anderson wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> >
> > Listers:
> >
> > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks.
> > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself.
> >
> > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to
> Michelin
> > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I haven't
> > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out of
> the
> > hangar just fine.
> >
> > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six
> > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like an
> > oil change.
> >
> > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added the
> > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the
> best
> > money I have ever spent.
> >
> > Larry Pardue
> > Carlsbad, NM
> >
>
> Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that having
> to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off the
> tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at their
> price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their
> money.
>
> Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing.
>
I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the
real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year,
and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs,
and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Good deal on an engine? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Ron -
Sounds like a good boat anchor to me... BTW, what was your friends name and
phone no?! ;)
Just kidding. I've been out of the engine market several years, but just
from what you describe, the package might be worth somewhere between $10 to
$20K. Sorry for the wide range, but there seem to be lots of variables. A
known prop strike, sitting unprotected with rust showing, not knowing who
did the previous work, what plane was it on before, got any log books, any
of the engine components yellow tagged when the previous work was done?
If I was the purchaser, I don't think I'd be able to hang it and fly. I'd
most certainly want to tear it down (prop included) due to the prop strike,
corrosion, questionable background, etc., driving the price down. Also,
that rear facing induction system sounds like it might work fine with the
"snorkel" (?) induction system. Eliminates the need for the lower cowl air
intake.
my 2 cents
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
>I have a very good friend who was once building a HyperBipe but gave up on
>the project after buying almost everything he has to complete the airplane.
> He
>has offered to sell me the engine and propeller but neither of us knows
>what
>either are worth. Here is what I know about each: The engine is an
>IO360-B1E,
>rated at 180 HP at 2700 RPM. It was overhauled a few years ago and I know
>it
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| Subject: | Re: photos of aluminum plenums |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
There are 2 planes at SEE with them. (See, should have stopped by!) I was
going to do this but would have to remount my fuel injection. Since you
have a 7 you might be able to get away with it. Install the top cowl and
look to see how much clearance you have from the highest point on the
engine to the lowest point on the cowl. On my 8 I only have about 1/4 inch
clearance. Here is an idea that could make things easier. Make a 1/8 inch
thick lay up inside of the top cowl and then trim it to fit the baffle
walls. Not quite that simple but I can not think of a simpler way to make
the top cover for the baffles. Oh, I think that you would have to add some
stiffeners in there too.
At 09:06 PM 9/6/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>If anybody has any photos of an aluminum plenum (dog house), can you please
>send them my way? I'm just trying to gather perspective (aka: steal ideas)
>before building mine.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | My static system woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow listers,
I have been getting my radio stack up and running - and in order to verify my transponder,
I need to test my static system. That's where the fun begins!
I can't even get the fitting on the back of the altimeter to hold without dropping
vacuum. I'm using the blue anidized AN fittings with aluminum tubing on the
instrument panel to a pair of bulkhead fittings (1 pitot and 1 static) then
aft to the rest of the system.
I started with just the altimeter as that instrument should be leak-free in order
to function correctly.
The archives have a reference to plumbers pipe dope for the plastic fittings -
but nothing for the aluminum AN fittings. I have also found the listings on acceptable
leakdown rates etc.
What I would really like to know is how the system is supposed to show and when
- during the testing process?! If my system is completely assembled (pitot/static
and VSI/ASI), I know that the VSI has a built in 'leak', the ASI uses static
for something (but I can't remember what it's impact is during testing).
I know that this info is somewhere out there as everyone that is flying should
have had this stuff checked......
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!!
Thanks !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensobro, NC N910LL
136 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> > >
> > > Listers:
> > >
> > > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks.
> > > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself.
> > >
> > > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to
> > Michelin
> > > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I
haven't
> > > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out
of
> > the
> > > hangar just fine.
> > >
> > > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six
> > > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like
an
> > > oil change.
> > >
> > > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added
the
> > > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the
> > best
> > > money I have ever spent.
> > >
> > > Larry Pardue
> > > Carlsbad, NM
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that
having
> > to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off
the
> > tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at
their
> > price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their
> > money.
> >
> > Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing.
> >
>
>
> I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the
> real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year,
> and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs,
> and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>
>Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!!
>
>Thanks !!
>
>Len Leggette, RV-8A
>Greensobro, NC N910LL
>136 hrs
>
Len,
I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is due
this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my tires
all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. To
just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better pricing.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
Brian:
I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but not
the Michelin Air Stop ???
Len
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> >
> >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY
!!!!!
> >
> >Thanks !!
> >
> >Len Leggette, RV-8A
> >Greensobro, NC N910LL
> >136 hrs
> >
>
> Len,
>
> I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is due
> this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my
tires
> all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. To
> just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better
pricing.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
Len, check with Van's. I believe they carry a "slow leak" tube now.
> From: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:47:15 -0400
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>
> Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!!
>
> Thanks !!
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensobro, NC N910LL
> 136 hrs
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>
>> Ed Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>>>>
>>>> Listers:
>>>>
>>>> Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks.
>>>> Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself.
>>>>
>>>> When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to
>>> Michelin
>>>> Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I
> haven't
>>>> checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out
> of
>>> the
>>>> hangar just fine.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six
>>>> months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like
> an
>>>> oil change.
>>>>
>>>> If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added
> the
>>>> little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the
>>> best
>>>> money I have ever spent.
>>>>
>>>> Larry Pardue
>>>> Carlsbad, NM
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that
> having
>>> to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off
> the
>>> tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at
> their
>>> price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their
>>> money.
>>>
>>> Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the
>> real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year,
>> and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs,
>> and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later.
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Michelin Airstop Tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
List:
This may be a first .... AC$ is actually cheaper than someone !!!!! $5 per tube
less than Dresser.
Len Leggette RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
136 hrs
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Has anyone wired an SL40 to a MC403 intercom? I think I have it, but would like
to see how someone else did it...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | SIRS Navigator Compass Adjustment Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net
I've torn my shop apart but cannot find the adjustment tool for my SIRS
Navigator compass. It is a special plastic tool that fits over a small
triangle in the compass to allow adjusting the compass. I looked on their
web site and I can buy one for $7.00, but Van's doesn't carry it. Just
wondering if anyone on the list has a spare laying around?
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM almost ready for inspection!
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| Subject: | Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Len-
I've been haoppy with my AirStops, as others have reported. I had a flat
recently when some crusty residue inside my tire (from a sticker of some sort??)
abraded a large spot on the tube including a pinhole leak, but since I patched
it, the tube has held up fine. Can't blame the failure on the tube, but on
the installer's (me) failure to check the tire for roughness at first
installation.
Bill B
Mid Atlantic RV Wing
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Len Leggette wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>
> Brian:
>
> I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but not
> the Michelin Air Stop ???
Here is the link at Desser for the Air-Stops:
http://shop.desser.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=TU%20500-5%20MN%20%20%20%201&source=sc
(be sure you paste the entire link to one line)
Sam Buchanan
==========================
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Nooooo!!! Say it isn't so!!
I'm sure AC$ will get me for the difference in due time. The -10 is gonna
take a LOT of stuff to fill it up with gadgets.
Hey Len, you gonna go into the RV10 ultra-plush interior manufacturing
business? I can foresee quite a need down the road.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 40051
do not archive
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9656/akroshomepage.htm
>From: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes
>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:01:06 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>
>List:
>
>This may be a first .... AC$ is actually cheaper than someone !!!!! $5 per
>tube less than Dresser.
>
>Len Leggette RV-8A
>Greensboro, NC N910LL
>136 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
FWIW
I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires leak
more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound to
meet the low temp performance on the TSO.
I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen
leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I
know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that
would lower the pressure....
Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there????
Tailwinds,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>
> Brian:
>
> I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but
not
> the Michelin Air Stop ???
>
> Len
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> > >
> > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY
> !!!!!
> > >
> > >Thanks !!
> > >
> > >Len Leggette, RV-8A
> > >Greensobro, NC N910LL
> > >136 hrs
> > >
> >
> > Len,
> >
> > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is
due
> > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my
> tires
> > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well.
To
> > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better
> pricing.
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
Brian:
Actually I am going into the RV Upholstery business. I have a new website
and will be posting pictures and options very soon. I have built several
sets to date, 52 leathers colors to choose from and about 70 fabrics. The
seats for RVs are pretty easy when you are use to manufacturing high end
upholstery. I'll let you and the list know when my site is up.
Len
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Nooooo!!! Say it isn't so!!
>
> I'm sure AC$ will get me for the difference in due time. The -10 is gonna
> take a LOT of stuff to fill it up with gadgets.
>
> Hey Len, you gonna go into the RV10 ultra-plush interior manufacturing
> business? I can foresee quite a need down the road.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 40051
>
> do not archive
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9656/akroshomepage.htm
>
>
> >From: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes
> >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:01:06 -0400
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> >
> >List:
> >
> >This may be a first .... AC$ is actually cheaper than someone !!!!! $5
per
> >tube less than Dresser.
> >
> >Len Leggette RV-8A
> >Greensboro, NC N910LL
> >136 hrs
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree <rembree@sympatico.ca>
I don't believe the O2 stuff. If it was true you would see diminishing
returns after each pump up.
RE
do not archive
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>FWIW
>I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires leak
>more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound to
>meet the low temp performance on the TSO.
>
>I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen
>leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I
>know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that
>would lower the pressure....
>
>Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there????
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 9/8/2003 2:01:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dougr@petroblend.com
writes:
> I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen
> leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I
> know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17%
> O2 leaked out that
> would lower the pressure....
>
> Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there????
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug
"I'll take normal atmospheric oxygen concentration for $50, Alex..."
What is "21%?"
(the balance being 78% nitrogen, and about 1% argon and CO2)
Seriously, I've heard all the same things, Doug, about conventional tubes and leakage,
brittleness at low temps, etc. I just hope my patch holds. An Air Stop
tube is an expensive thing to carry in your spare kit ;-)
I'm disappointed you didn't tackle my question to the list about seasonal gasoline
blends and vapor pressure concerns, but I'm a big boy and I'll try to take
it in stride <g>.
-Bill B
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 9/8/2003 3:50:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rembree@sympatico.ca
writes:
> I don't believe the O2 stuff. If it was true you would see
> diminishing
> returns after each pump up.
> RE
Dang it, Roger; I was going to patent an O2 concentrator based on reverse osmosis
using a cheap and easily available inner tube as the membrane. Now you've
spoiled it with, with... logic!
-Bill B
do not archive it's late and I've been in the office too long
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I can't answer as to the relative size of the molecules, But I have always
been told that the tube must retain its flexibility at 40 below. Natural
rubber has been the only tube material that has been able to do this. Now I
guess they have compounded a synthetic that meets this FAA requirement.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
Quarterly newsletters on time
Reasonable document reprints
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> FWIW
> I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires
leak
> more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound
to
> meet the low temp performance on the TSO.
>
> I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen
> leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules.
I
> know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out
that
> would lower the pressure....
>
> Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there????
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> >
> > Brian:
> >
> > I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but
> not
> > the Michelin Air Stop ???
> >
> > Len
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette"
<len@jessicacharles.com>
> > > >
> > > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY
> > !!!!!
> > > >
> > > >Thanks !!
> > > >
> > > >Len Leggette, RV-8A
> > > >Greensobro, NC N910LL
> > > >136 hrs
> > > >
> > >
> > > Len,
> > >
> > > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is
> due
> > > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my
> > tires
> > > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well.
> To
> > > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better
> > pricing.
> > >
> > > Brian Denk
> > > RV8 N94BD
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleveland? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Hi All,
I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those
that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
do not archive
Fred Oldenburg
RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered
http://rv.oldsack.com
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Doug and all,
I don't play a chemist on TV but I do teach chemistry at the local junior
college.
Nitrogen molecule is smaller than the Oxygen molecule. Both are diatomic,
which means that they have two atoms in the natural molecule. I would think
that Nitrogen would escape first if size was the only function. The most
other junk in the air have more than two atoms, water-H two O, has three;
carbon dioxide- C O two, has three; etc, etc and therefore are bigger yet.
There are some trace amount of other stuff but I don't think there is enough
to make a difference.
Now to answers Doug's question. The total pressure of a enclosed gas
system, the inside of a inner tube - for example, is the sum of the partial
pressures of all the components. So if one of the components is able to
leak out, the pressure would go down. So, yes the pressure would go down if
either Nitrogen or Oxygen was able to leak out.
Tom Gummo
Part Time Instructor of Chem 100 at Victor Valley Community College
Outstanding Graduate in Chemistry at Cal Poly - Pomona, 1970
Retired F-4G Fighter Pilot
Instructor Pilot for Wild Weasels
Pres EAA Local Chapter 768 - Apple Valley Airport (soon to be term limited
out of a job) :-)
Air Boss of the Apple Valley Air Fair 2002 and 2003
NO MATTER WHAT I HAVE DONE IN LIFE, DOUG GETS TO FLY ALL TYPE OF WW-II
AIRCRAFT, SO I HAVE TO JUST KEEP ON HATING HIM.
P.S. - Doug, there is always a Rocket Ride waiting for you if you get out
this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> FWIW
> I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires
leak
> more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound
to
> meet the low temp performance on the TSO.
>
> I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen
> leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules.
I
> know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out
that
> would lower the pressure....
>
> Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there????
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
> >
> > Brian:
> >
> > I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but
> not
> > the Michelin Air Stop ???
> >
> > Len
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette"
<len@jessicacharles.com>
> > > >
> > > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY
> > !!!!!
> > > >
> > > >Thanks !!
> > > >
> > > >Len Leggette, RV-8A
> > > >Greensobro, NC N910LL
> > > >136 hrs
> > > >
> > >
> > > Len,
> > >
> > > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is
> due
> > > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my
> > tires
> > > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well.
> To
> > > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better
> > pricing.
> > >
> > > Brian Denk
> > > RV8 N94BD
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleveland? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
There is no 'OR' here only 'AND' !!
You will find both have excelent tools and comparative pricing.
best thing is to look for a package deal and see what is cheapest for
what YOU want. In the end, you'll come out even and end up buying from
both anyway.
Gert
Frederick Oldenburg wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those
that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Fred Oldenburg
> RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered
> http://rv.oldsack.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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"'rv9-list@matronics.com'" <rv9-list@matronics.com>,
"'wing@vansairforce.org'" <wing@vansairforce.org>
| Subject: | First flight of C-FSTB |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
I'm very pleased to announce that RV-9endurance, kit # 90113, has
now become an airplane. Power is supplied by a Turbocharged 13B Mazda rotary
engine, with a 76" 3-blade IVO Magnum with electronic constant speed
governor. It was built from a standard kit and engine was rebuilt myself
from a junkyard engine. Everything was done myself, including paint &
upholstery. I'm extremely pleased with and proud of the results.
The plane fly's exactly as I remembered from my demo flight 3 years
ago. Very easy to fly. The engine is very smooth & quiet. So far I've not
used any boost at all as we've been very conservative with it.
As I'm a student pilot, I now am looking forward to finishing my
training in my own plane. Test pilot for the first 3 flights is an
experienced commercial bush pilot, however as he was unfamiliar with the
rotary engine (but very interested in it), I was along as flight engineer.
This worked very well as all he had to do was fly the plane. All other
duties were my responsibility.
As my test pilot/instructor has had to return to his regular flying
job, testing is on hold for a week. I'm still in the "Holy ****, I can't
believe it's flying" phase, so next flights will begin to put the plane
through it's paces.
As every first flight report before has stated, It really is worth
all the sacrifices and hard work, so keep on pounding! I found the building
process to be tremendously enjoyable, particularly the FWF development of an
alternative engine, however it sure is pretty damn cool to be flying it now!
:-)
Thanks to the FlyRotary group and the AeroElectric list for all the
knowledge that is freely shared.
The adventure continues......
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleveland? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
I went with Avery based on input on the various lists. Have been happy with
the tools.
Jim Thorne
RV-7A QB
CHD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Oldenburg" <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg
<foldenburg@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input
from those that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Fred Oldenburg
> RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered
> http://rv.oldsack.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Stop tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I put Air-Stop tubes in when I changed my tires in January. I think I added
two pounds during my annual in June. I always had to add air to the old
tubes. I agree...the best money I've ever spent.
Jim
James Cimino
RV-8 SN 80039
100+ Hours
570-842-4057
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> > >
> > > Listers:
> > >
> > > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks.
> > > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself.
> > >
> > > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to
> > Michelin
> > > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I
haven't
> > > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out
of
> > the
> > > hangar just fine.
> > >
> > > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six
> > > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like
an
> > > oil change.
> > >
> > > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added
the
> > > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the
> > best
> > > money I have ever spent.
> > >
> > > Larry Pardue
> > > Carlsbad, NM
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that
having
> > to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off
the
> > tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at
their
> > price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their
> > money.
> >
> > Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing.
> >
>
>
> I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the
> real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year,
> and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs,
> and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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"'dan@rvproject.com'" <dan@rvproject.com>
| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/06/03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Time: 09:09:57 PM PST US
From: "Dan Checkoway" < >
Subject: RV-List: photos of aluminum plenums
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
If anybody has any photos of an aluminum plenum (dog house), can you please
send them my way? I'm just trying to gather perspective (aka: steal ideas)
before building mine.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
Dan try this link, you may have to resplice it.
http://www.miramarcollege.net/programs/avim/faculty/north/baffle/index.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I have the Cleaveland 3/32" dimple die which I bought and an Avery die which
I won in a door prize. Of the two I prefer the Cleaveland as its made of
stainless steel and still has a good polish after 8 years whereas the Avery
is now dull. But the Cleaveland one was (is?) more expensive. The 1/8" die
is an Avery and it worked fine. All the other dies I made myself on my lathe
and therefore cannot comment further.
Cheers!!--Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true....
> that nitrogen leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are
> larger than air molecules. I know that air is 80 some
> percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that would
> lower the pressure....
>
> Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there????
Yeah, I could just imagine: "Top the tanks with 100LL and put a little
more gaseous plutonium in the mains"
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 369 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson updated!
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| Subject: | Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes now RV10 interiors |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" <len@jessicacharles.com>
>
>Brian:
>
>Actually I am going into the RV Upholstery business. I have a new website
>and will be posting pictures and options very soon. I have built several
>sets to date, 52 leathers colors to choose from and about 70 fabrics. The
>seats for RVs are pretty easy when you are use to manufacturing high end
>upholstery. I'll let you and the list know when my site is up.
>
>Len
Great! I look forward to seeing what you may come up with for the -10. I
can see some very elaborate interiors showing up in these a/c in the near
future. For me, my mission is comfort...and that means noise reduction and
a comfy ride. Gotta figure out how to mount a DVD player in the roof for
Skyler to watch on the long trips!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
I have several dimple die sets from Cleveland that look very good after 12
years and make a very good dimple. They are made from stainless steel. Last week
I borrowed a #8 screw die set from an RV8 builder/neighbor that is so
corroded I don't think I will use it. He says it is only a couple years old. Have
been very pleased with everything purchased from Cleveland.
Dale Ensing
RV6A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Leslye Doyle" <Skyeyes@satx.rr.com>
This is just what I'm looking for. Please let Matt know. I'm also still
receiving tons of email regarding RV topics. I would just like to get
the pics only.
Thanks, Leslye
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Subject: Re: RV-List: to Danny Melnik
--> RV-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
vft@aol.com
Danny
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleveland? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Fred,
Let me start by saying I try to save money wherever I can. 2nd, I have bought
tools from most everyone but Cleveland (no particular reason why). My opinions
are:
* Yardstore (yardstore.com) is the absolute cheapest (if they have what you need).
$18 spring-back dimple dies are hard to beat (vs $35 from Avery). You can
also get some used stuff if you're open to that possibility.
* Brown Tools and Aircraft Tool Supply tie for 2nd...should have most things that
you need.
* Avery has a lot of stuff no-one else has that is really nice. They have certain
things that you just can't get anywhere else.
Overall, I haven't had a bad experience with any of them. If you're cheap like
me, you may want to do some hunting on the above sites for the individual best
deals. If you want a one stop shop (and don't mind paying a little bit more),
I would say Avery or Cleveland.
Scott
7A Emp/Wings
--- On Mon 09/08, Frederick Oldenburg < foldenburg@earthlink.net > wrote:
From: Frederick Oldenburg [mailto: foldenburg@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland?
--> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Hi All,
I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those
that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
do not archive
Fred Oldenburg
RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered
http://rv.oldsack.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Doug and all,
>
> I don't play a chemist on TV but I do teach chemistry at the local junior
> college.
>
But, "Did you stay in a Holiday Inn last night?"
I hate all Rocket Drivers!!!!! Especially Ex-F-4 Driver Rocket drivers!
Tailwinds,
Doug "Jealous Hater of all Rocket Drivers" Rozendaal
Needless to say, Do not archive !
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--> RV-List message posted by: sipherrv@juno.com
Bryan,
Nope, Just trying to hang on to my F-16 roots. Retired from the USAF in
Feb03. And I do miss it. Thats why I am starting an RV. The closest
thing I can find. Hey, wouldn't it be great if we all could use such
call signs instead of N1234Q or the like?
v/r
Bill
RV-4
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:28:43 -0500 "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill -
>
> Do you use the "Viper" call sign as a civillian or in your gub'ment
> supplied
> equipment?
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> Pearland, Texas
>
> do not archive
>
> >"Lubbock Tower, Viper 11, ten nautical miles west of the field for
> >Initial Rwy 30" (assuming I had the atis and knew what the active
> runway
> >was).
>
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