---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/08/03: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - Re: May 2003 (Ed Anderson) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: Good deal on an engine? (Ed Anderson) 3. 05:57 AM - to Danny Melnik (Ronschreck99@aol.com) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: to Danny Melnik (VFT@aol.com) 5. 06:32 AM - radio calls (RV_8 Pilot) 6. 06:32 AM - Air-Stop tubes (Sam Buchanan) 7. 06:57 AM - Re: Good deal on an engine? (RV_8 Pilot) 8. 07:04 AM - Re: photos of aluminum plenums (Scott Bilinski) 9. 07:28 AM - My static system woes (Ralph E. Capen) 10. 07:47 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Len Leggette) 11. 08:01 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Brian Denk) 12. 08:45 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Len Leggette) 13. 08:53 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Denis Walsh) 14. 09:00 AM - Michelin Airstop Tubes (Len Leggette) 15. 09:09 AM - SL40 Wiring... (Bill VonDane) 16. 09:29 AM - SIRS Navigator Compass Adjustment Tool (dmedema@att.net) 17. 09:32 AM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes (SportAV8R@aol.com) 18. 09:34 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Sam Buchanan) 19. 10:41 AM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes (Brian Denk) 20. 11:05 AM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Doug Rozendaal) 21. 11:52 AM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes (Len Leggette) 22. 12:54 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Roger Embree) 23. 01:05 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (SportAV8R@aol.com) 24. 01:10 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (SportAV8R@aol.com) 25. 01:10 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Cy Galley) 26. 01:22 PM - Avery or Cleveland? (Frederick Oldenburg) 27. 02:07 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Tom Gummo) 28. 02:07 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (Gert) 29. 02:10 PM - First flight of C-FSTB (Bartrim, Todd) 30. 02:19 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (Jim Thorne) 31. 02:44 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Jim Cimino) 32. 02:49 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/06/03 (Wheeler North) 33. 03:20 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (Elsa & Henry) 34. 03:25 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Alex Peterson) 35. 03:34 PM - Re: Michelin Airstop Tubes now RV10 interiors (Brian Denk) 36. 03:49 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? (DWENSING@aol.com) 37. 05:19 PM - Re: to Danny Melnik (Leslye Doyle) 38. 08:09 PM - Re: Avery or Cleveland? () 39. 08:20 PM - Re: Air-Stop tubes (Doug Rozendaal) 40. 10:33 PM - Re: radio calls (sipherrv@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:31 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: May 2003 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > Listers: > > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks. > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself. > > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to Michelin > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I haven't > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out of the > hangar just fine. > > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like an > oil change. > > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added the > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the best > money I have ever spent. > > Larry Pardue > Carlsbad, NM > Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that having to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off the tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at their price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their money. Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing. Ed Anderson N494BW RV-6A Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:57 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Good deal on an engine? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Good deal on an engine? > --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com > > Hi listers, > > I have a very good friend who was once building a HyperBipe but gave up on > the project after buying almost everything he has to complete the airplane. He > has offered to sell me the .... SNIP on estimating the value of the engine and prop and the > cost of replacing the sump. Have at it guys. Thanks for your help. > > Ron Schreck > RV-8 > Gold Hill Airpark, NC > > PS: Anyone interested in a HyperBipe? > Ron, is this Marshall Seymour's HyperBipe Project? I stopped and visited with Marshall and Glen? several years ago and Marshall showed me his HyperBipe project, I must say I was impressed. I presume that Glen has finished his RV? I fly a rotary powered RV-6 and occassionally fly over Gold Hill airpark, guess I should stop by for another visit and see your RV-8 project. Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:03 AM PST US From: Ronschreck99@aol.com Subject: RV-List: to Danny Melnik --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com Danny, Got your message but no return e-mail address. Write back off-list and I'll send pics of the HyperBipe. Ron Schreck ronschreck99@aol.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:07 AM PST US From: VFT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: to Danny Melnik --> RV-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com vft@aol.com Danny ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:04 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: radio calls --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Bill - Do you use the "Viper" call sign as a civillian or in your gub'ment supplied equipment? Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas do not archive >"Lubbock Tower, Viper 11, ten nautical miles west of the field for >Initial Rwy 30" (assuming I had the atis and knew what the active runway >was). Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:59 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Ed Anderson wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > > > Listers: > > > > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks. > > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself. > > > > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to > Michelin > > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I haven't > > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out of > the > > hangar just fine. > > > > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six > > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like an > > oil change. > > > > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added the > > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the > best > > money I have ever spent. > > > > Larry Pardue > > Carlsbad, NM > > > > Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that having > to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off the > tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at their > price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their > money. > > Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing. > I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year, and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs, and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:14 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: Good deal on an engine? --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Ron - Sounds like a good boat anchor to me... BTW, what was your friends name and phone no?! ;) Just kidding. I've been out of the engine market several years, but just from what you describe, the package might be worth somewhere between $10 to $20K. Sorry for the wide range, but there seem to be lots of variables. A known prop strike, sitting unprotected with rust showing, not knowing who did the previous work, what plane was it on before, got any log books, any of the engine components yellow tagged when the previous work was done? If I was the purchaser, I don't think I'd be able to hang it and fly. I'd most certainly want to tear it down (prop included) due to the prop strike, corrosion, questionable background, etc., driving the price down. Also, that rear facing induction system sounds like it might work fine with the "snorkel" (?) induction system. Eliminates the need for the lower cowl air intake. my 2 cents Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas >I have a very good friend who was once building a HyperBipe but gave up on >the project after buying almost everything he has to complete the airplane. > He >has offered to sell me the engine and propeller but neither of us knows >what >either are worth. Here is what I know about each: The engine is an >IO360-B1E, >rated at 180 HP at 2700 RPM. It was overhauled a few years ago and I know >it Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:32 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: photos of aluminum plenums --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski There are 2 planes at SEE with them. (See, should have stopped by!) I was going to do this but would have to remount my fuel injection. Since you have a 7 you might be able to get away with it. Install the top cowl and look to see how much clearance you have from the highest point on the engine to the lowest point on the cowl. On my 8 I only have about 1/4 inch clearance. Here is an idea that could make things easier. Make a 1/8 inch thick lay up inside of the top cowl and then trim it to fit the baffle walls. Not quite that simple but I can not think of a simpler way to make the top cover for the baffles. Oh, I think that you would have to add some stiffeners in there too. At 09:06 PM 9/6/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >If anybody has any photos of an aluminum plenum (dog house), can you please >send them my way? I'm just trying to gather perspective (aka: steal ideas) >before building mine. > >do not archive >)_( Dan >RV-7 N714D >http://www.rvproject.com > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:36 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: My static system woes --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Fellow listers, I have been getting my radio stack up and running - and in order to verify my transponder, I need to test my static system. That's where the fun begins! I can't even get the fitting on the back of the altimeter to hold without dropping vacuum. I'm using the blue anidized AN fittings with aluminum tubing on the instrument panel to a pair of bulkhead fittings (1 pitot and 1 static) then aft to the rest of the system. I started with just the altimeter as that instrument should be leak-free in order to function correctly. The archives have a reference to plumbers pipe dope for the plastic fittings - but nothing for the aluminum AN fittings. I have also found the listings on acceptable leakdown rates etc. What I would really like to know is how the system is supposed to show and when - during the testing process?! If my system is completely assembled (pitot/static and VSI/ASI), I know that the VSI has a built in 'leak', the ASI uses static for something (but I can't remember what it's impact is during testing). I know that this info is somewhere out there as everyone that is flying should have had this stuff checked...... Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:16 AM PST US From: "Len Leggette" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!! Thanks !! Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensobro, NC N910LL 136 hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Buchanan Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > > Ed Anderson wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > > > > > Listers: > > > > > > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks. > > > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself. > > > > > > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to > > Michelin > > > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I haven't > > > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out of > > the > > > hangar just fine. > > > > > > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six > > > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like an > > > oil change. > > > > > > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added the > > > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the > > best > > > money I have ever spent. > > > > > > Larry Pardue > > > Carlsbad, NM > > > > > > > Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that having > > to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off the > > tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at their > > price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their > > money. > > > > Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing. > > > > > I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the > real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year, > and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs, > and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later. > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:19 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!! > >Thanks !! > >Len Leggette, RV-8A >Greensobro, NC N910LL >136 hrs > Len, I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is due this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my tires all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. To just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better pricing. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:50 AM PST US From: "Len Leggette" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" Brian: I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but not the Michelin Air Stop ??? Len ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Denk Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!! > > > >Thanks !! > > > >Len Leggette, RV-8A > >Greensobro, NC N910LL > >136 hrs > > > > Len, > > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is due > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my tires > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. To > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better pricing. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes From: Denis Walsh --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh Len, check with Van's. I believe they carry a "slow leak" tube now. > From: "Len Leggette" > Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:47:15 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY !!!!! > > Thanks !! > > Len Leggette, RV-8A > Greensobro, NC N910LL > 136 hrs > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sam Buchanan > To: > Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan >> >> >> Ed Anderson wrote: >>> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" >>> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" >>>> >>>> Listers: >>>> >>>> Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks. >>>> Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself. >>>> >>>> When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to >>> Michelin >>>> Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I > haven't >>>> checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out > of >>> the >>>> hangar just fine. >>>> >>>> Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six >>>> months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like > an >>>> oil change. >>>> >>>> If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added > the >>>> little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the >>> best >>>> money I have ever spent. >>>> >>>> Larry Pardue >>>> Carlsbad, NM >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that > having >>> to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off > the >>> tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at > their >>> price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their >>> money. >>> >>> Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing. >>> >> >> >> I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the >> real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year, >> and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs, >> and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later. >> >> Sam Buchanan >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:39 AM PST US From: "Len Leggette" Subject: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" List: This may be a first .... AC$ is actually cheaper than someone !!!!! $5 per tube less than Dresser. Len Leggette RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 136 hrs ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:11 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" "vansairforce" Subject: RV-List: SL40 Wiring... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Has anyone wired an SL40 to a MC403 intercom? I think I have it, but would like to see how someone else did it... Thanks! -Bill VonDane RV-8A www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:08 AM PST US From: dmedema@att.net Subject: RV-List: SIRS Navigator Compass Adjustment Tool --> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net I've torn my shop apart but cannot find the adjustment tool for my SIRS Navigator compass. It is a special plastic tool that fits over a small triangle in the compass to allow adjusting the compass. I looked on their web site and I can buy one for $7.00, but Van's doesn't carry it. Just wondering if anyone on the list has a spare laying around? Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM almost ready for inspection! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:43 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com Len- I've been haoppy with my AirStops, as others have reported. I had a flat recently when some crusty residue inside my tire (from a sticker of some sort??) abraded a large spot on the tube including a pinhole leak, but since I patched it, the tube has held up fine. Can't blame the failure on the tube, but on the installer's (me) failure to check the tire for roughness at first installation. Bill B Mid Atlantic RV Wing do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:46 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Len Leggette wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > Brian: > > I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but not > the Michelin Air Stop ??? Here is the link at Desser for the Air-Stops: http://shop.desser.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=TU%20500-5%20MN%20%20%20%201&source=sc (be sure you paste the entire link to one line) Sam Buchanan ========================== > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:10 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" Nooooo!!! Say it isn't so!! I'm sure AC$ will get me for the difference in due time. The -10 is gonna take a LOT of stuff to fill it up with gadgets. Hey Len, you gonna go into the RV10 ultra-plush interior manufacturing business? I can foresee quite a need down the road. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 40051 do not archive http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9656/akroshomepage.htm >From: "Len Leggette" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:01:06 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > >List: > >This may be a first .... AC$ is actually cheaper than someone !!!!! $5 per >tube less than Dresser. > >Len Leggette RV-8A >Greensboro, NC N910LL >136 hrs > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:42 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" FWIW I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires leak more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound to meet the low temp performance on the TSO. I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that would lower the pressure.... Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there???? Tailwinds, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Leggette" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > Brian: > > I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but not > the Michelin Air Stop ??? > > Len > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Denk > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > > > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY > !!!!! > > > > > >Thanks !! > > > > > >Len Leggette, RV-8A > > >Greensobro, NC N910LL > > >136 hrs > > > > > > > Len, > > > > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is due > > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my > tires > > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. To > > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better > pricing. > > > > Brian Denk > > RV8 N94BD > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:13 AM PST US From: "Len Leggette" Subject: Re: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" Brian: Actually I am going into the RV Upholstery business. I have a new website and will be posting pictures and options very soon. I have built several sets to date, 52 leathers colors to choose from and about 70 fabrics. The seats for RVs are pretty easy when you are use to manufacturing high end upholstery. I'll let you and the list know when my site is up. Len ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Denk Subject: Re: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > Nooooo!!! Say it isn't so!! > > I'm sure AC$ will get me for the difference in due time. The -10 is gonna > take a LOT of stuff to fill it up with gadgets. > > Hey Len, you gonna go into the RV10 ultra-plush interior manufacturing > business? I can foresee quite a need down the road. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > RV10 40051 > > do not archive > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9656/akroshomepage.htm > > > >From: "Len Leggette" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes > >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:01:06 -0400 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > >List: > > > >This may be a first .... AC$ is actually cheaper than someone !!!!! $5 per > >tube less than Dresser. > > > >Len Leggette RV-8A > >Greensboro, NC N910LL > >136 hrs > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:51 PM PST US From: Roger Embree Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree I don't believe the O2 stuff. If it was true you would see diminishing returns after each pump up. RE do not archive Doug Rozendaal wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > >FWIW >I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires leak >more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound to >meet the low temp performance on the TSO. > >I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen >leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I >know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that >would lower the pressure.... > >Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there???? > >Tailwinds, >Doug > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:29 PM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com In a message dated 9/8/2003 2:01:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dougr@petroblend.com writes: > I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen > leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I > know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% > O2 leaked out that > would lower the pressure.... > > Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there???? > > Tailwinds, > Doug "I'll take normal atmospheric oxygen concentration for $50, Alex..." What is "21%?" (the balance being 78% nitrogen, and about 1% argon and CO2) Seriously, I've heard all the same things, Doug, about conventional tubes and leakage, brittleness at low temps, etc. I just hope my patch holds. An Air Stop tube is an expensive thing to carry in your spare kit ;-) I'm disappointed you didn't tackle my question to the list about seasonal gasoline blends and vapor pressure concerns, but I'm a big boy and I'll try to take it in stride . -Bill B do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:11 PM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com In a message dated 9/8/2003 3:50:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rembree@sympatico.ca writes: > I don't believe the O2 stuff. If it was true you would see > diminishing > returns after each pump up. > RE Dang it, Roger; I was going to patent an O2 concentrator based on reverse osmosis using a cheap and easily available inner tube as the membrane. Now you've spoiled it with, with... logic! -Bill B do not archive it's late and I've been in the office too long ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:11 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I can't answer as to the relative size of the molecules, But I have always been told that the tube must retain its flexibility at 40 below. Natural rubber has been the only tube material that has been able to do this. Now I guess they have compounded a synthetic that meets this FAA requirement. Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.bellanca-championclub.com Actively supporting Aeroncas every day Quarterly newsletters on time Reasonable document reprints ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > FWIW > I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires leak > more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound to > meet the low temp performance on the TSO. > > I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen > leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I > know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that > would lower the pressure.... > > Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there???? > > Tailwinds, > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Len Leggette" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > > Brian: > > > > I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but > not > > the Michelin Air Stop ??? > > > > Len > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Denk > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > > > > > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY > > !!!!! > > > > > > > >Thanks !! > > > > > > > >Len Leggette, RV-8A > > > >Greensobro, NC N910LL > > > >136 hrs > > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is > due > > > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my > > tires > > > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. > To > > > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better > > pricing. > > > > > > Brian Denk > > > RV8 N94BD > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:36 PM PST US From: Frederick Oldenburg Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg Hi All, I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me. Any help would be greatly appreciated! do not archive Fred Oldenburg RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered http://rv.oldsack.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:26 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Doug and all, I don't play a chemist on TV but I do teach chemistry at the local junior college. Nitrogen molecule is smaller than the Oxygen molecule. Both are diatomic, which means that they have two atoms in the natural molecule. I would think that Nitrogen would escape first if size was the only function. The most other junk in the air have more than two atoms, water-H two O, has three; carbon dioxide- C O two, has three; etc, etc and therefore are bigger yet. There are some trace amount of other stuff but I don't think there is enough to make a difference. Now to answers Doug's question. The total pressure of a enclosed gas system, the inside of a inner tube - for example, is the sum of the partial pressures of all the components. So if one of the components is able to leak out, the pressure would go down. So, yes the pressure would go down if either Nitrogen or Oxygen was able to leak out. Tom Gummo Part Time Instructor of Chem 100 at Victor Valley Community College Outstanding Graduate in Chemistry at Cal Poly - Pomona, 1970 Retired F-4G Fighter Pilot Instructor Pilot for Wild Weasels Pres EAA Local Chapter 768 - Apple Valley Airport (soon to be term limited out of a job) :-) Air Boss of the Apple Valley Air Fair 2002 and 2003 NO MATTER WHAT I HAVE DONE IN LIFE, DOUG GETS TO FLY ALL TYPE OF WW-II AIRCRAFT, SO I HAVE TO JUST KEEP ON HATING HIM. P.S. - Doug, there is always a Rocket Ride waiting for you if you get out this way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > FWIW > I have been told and I don't know if it is true... that aircraft tires leak > more than regular tires because they have to use a softer rubber compound to > meet the low temp performance on the TSO. > > I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... that nitrogen > leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are larger than air molecules. I > know that air is 80 some percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that > would lower the pressure.... > > Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there???? > > Tailwinds, > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Len Leggette" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > > Brian: > > > > I tried Dresser but they show some kind of "new age" leak proof tube but > not > > the Michelin Air Stop ??? > > > > Len > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Denk > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > > > > > > > >Where is the best place to buy these tubes ... I want to order TODAY > > !!!!! > > > > > > > >Thanks !! > > > > > > > >Len Leggette, RV-8A > > > >Greensobro, NC N910LL > > > >136 hrs > > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > I just received a set from Spruce the other day. My fourth annual is > due > > > this month and I'm going to install them. I'm tired of pumping up my > > tires > > > all the time! I was ordering other stuff, so I got the tubes as well. > To > > > just order the tubes, I'd try Desser tire first. Might have better > > pricing. > > > > > > Brian Denk > > > RV8 N94BD > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:56 PM PST US From: Gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? --> RV-List message posted by: Gert There is no 'OR' here only 'AND' !! You will find both have excelent tools and comparative pricing. best thing is to look for a package deal and see what is cheapest for what YOU want. In the end, you'll come out even and end up buying from both anyway. Gert Frederick Oldenburg wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg > > Hi All, > > I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > do not archive > > > Fred Oldenburg > RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered > http://rv.oldsack.com > > > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:14 PM PST US From: "Bartrim, Todd" "'rv9-list@matronics.com'" , "'wing@vansairforce.org'" Subject: RV-List: First flight of C-FSTB --> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" I'm very pleased to announce that RV-9endurance, kit # 90113, has now become an airplane. Power is supplied by a Turbocharged 13B Mazda rotary engine, with a 76" 3-blade IVO Magnum with electronic constant speed governor. It was built from a standard kit and engine was rebuilt myself from a junkyard engine. Everything was done myself, including paint & upholstery. I'm extremely pleased with and proud of the results. The plane fly's exactly as I remembered from my demo flight 3 years ago. Very easy to fly. The engine is very smooth & quiet. So far I've not used any boost at all as we've been very conservative with it. As I'm a student pilot, I now am looking forward to finishing my training in my own plane. Test pilot for the first 3 flights is an experienced commercial bush pilot, however as he was unfamiliar with the rotary engine (but very interested in it), I was along as flight engineer. This worked very well as all he had to do was fly the plane. All other duties were my responsibility. As my test pilot/instructor has had to return to his regular flying job, testing is on hold for a week. I'm still in the "Holy ****, I can't believe it's flying" phase, so next flights will begin to put the plane through it's paces. As every first flight report before has stated, It really is worth all the sacrifices and hard work, so keep on pounding! I found the building process to be tremendously enjoyable, particularly the FWF development of an alternative engine, however it sure is pretty damn cool to be flying it now! :-) Thanks to the FlyRotary group and the AeroElectric list for all the knowledge that is freely shared. The adventure continues...... S. Todd Bartrim Turbo 13B RX-9endurance C-FSTB http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm "Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Albert Einstein ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:50 PM PST US From: "Jim Thorne" Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" I went with Avery based on input on the various lists. Have been happy with the tools. Jim Thorne RV-7A QB CHD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Oldenburg" Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? > --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg > > Hi All, > > I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > do not archive > > > Fred Oldenburg > RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered > http://rv.oldsack.com > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:21 PM PST US From: "Jim Cimino" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" I put Air-Stop tubes in when I changed my tires in January. I think I added two pounds during my annual in June. I always had to add air to the old tubes. I agree...the best money I've ever spent. Jim James Cimino RV-8 SN 80039 100+ Hours 570-842-4057 http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Buchanan" Subject: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > > Ed Anderson wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > > > > > Listers: > > > > > > Until this may, I needed to add air to my tires every 2 to 3 weeks. > > > Definite pain for a non-tinker oriented RVer such as myself. > > > > > > When I changed the tires at the annual in May this year, I went to > > Michelin > > > Air-Stop tubes. Since that time I have not needed to add air. I haven't > > > checked the pressure since I don't want to lose air, but it pulls out of > > the > > > hangar just fine. > > > > > > Now I'm getting jazzed. Can I make it until LOE 3? Can I make it six > > > months? Nine months? Maybe just change the air at every annual, like an > > > oil change. > > > > > > If I would have had the tubes before, I probably would not have added the > > > little air fill doors on the wheel pants. These tubes are some of the > > best > > > money I have ever spent. > > > > > > Larry Pardue > > > Carlsbad, NM > > > > > > > Thanks for the review on the Air-Stop tubes, Larry. I also find that having > > to haul an air tank out to the hangar ever couple of weeks to top off the > > tires is bothersome. I looked at the Air-Stop tubes, but decided at their > > price I would wait until I found some evidence that the were worth their > > money. > > > > Thanks again, let us know 3 month, 6 months from now how they are doing. > > > > > I have had the Air-Stop tubers for a couple of years, and they are the > real deal. I usually have to flip the tires a couple of times a year, > and that is the only time I add air. I air up the tires to about 35 lbs, > and they are still in the mid-twenties six months later. > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:10 PM PST US From: Wheeler North "'dan@rvproject.com'" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/06/03 --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Time: 09:09:57 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" < > Subject: RV-List: photos of aluminum plenums --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" If anybody has any photos of an aluminum plenum (dog house), can you please send them my way? I'm just trying to gather perspective (aka: steal ideas) before building mine. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com Dan try this link, you may have to resplice it. http://www.miramarcollege.net/programs/avim/faculty/north/baffle/index.htm ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:38 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" I have the Cleaveland 3/32" dimple die which I bought and an Avery die which I won in a door prize. Of the two I prefer the Cleaveland as its made of stainless steel and still has a good polish after 8 years whereas the Avery is now dull. But the Cleaveland one was (is?) more expensive. The 1/8" die is an Avery and it worked fine. All the other dies I made myself on my lathe and therefore cannot comment further. Cheers!!--Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:05 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > I have also been told, and I don't know if it is true.... > that nitrogen leaks slower than air because N2 molecules are > larger than air molecules. I know that air is 80 some > percent Nitrogen, but if the 17% O2 leaked out that would > lower the pressure.... > > Anybody know? Any trivial pursuit players out there???? Yeah, I could just imagine: "Top the tanks with 100LL and put a little more gaseous plutonium in the mains" Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 369 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson updated! ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:29 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Michelin Airstop Tubes now RV10 interiors --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Len Leggette" > >Brian: > >Actually I am going into the RV Upholstery business. I have a new website >and will be posting pictures and options very soon. I have built several >sets to date, 52 leathers colors to choose from and about 70 fabrics. The >seats for RVs are pretty easy when you are use to manufacturing high end >upholstery. I'll let you and the list know when my site is up. > >Len Great! I look forward to seeing what you may come up with for the -10. I can see some very elaborate interiors showing up in these a/c in the near future. For me, my mission is comfort...and that means noise reduction and a comfy ride. Gotta figure out how to mount a DVD player in the roof for Skyler to watch on the long trips! Brian Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:57 PM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com I have several dimple die sets from Cleveland that look very good after 12 years and make a very good dimple. They are made from stainless steel. Last week I borrowed a #8 screw die set from an RV8 builder/neighbor that is so corroded I don't think I will use it. He says it is only a couple years old. Have been very pleased with everything purchased from Cleveland. Dale Ensing RV6A ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:18 PM PST US From: "Leslye Doyle" Subject: RE: RV-List: to Danny Melnik --> RV-List message posted by: "Leslye Doyle" This is just what I'm looking for. Please let Matt know. I'm also still receiving tons of email regarding RV topics. I would just like to get the pics only. Thanks, Leslye -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VFT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: to Danny Melnik --> RV-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com vft@aol.com Danny direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" Fred, Let me start by saying I try to save money wherever I can. 2nd, I have bought tools from most everyone but Cleveland (no particular reason why). My opinions are: * Yardstore (yardstore.com) is the absolute cheapest (if they have what you need). $18 spring-back dimple dies are hard to beat (vs $35 from Avery). You can also get some used stuff if you're open to that possibility. * Brown Tools and Aircraft Tool Supply tie for 2nd...should have most things that you need. * Avery has a lot of stuff no-one else has that is really nice. They have certain things that you just can't get anywhere else. Overall, I haven't had a bad experience with any of them. If you're cheap like me, you may want to do some hunting on the above sites for the individual best deals. If you want a one stop shop (and don't mind paying a little bit more), I would say Avery or Cleveland. Scott 7A Emp/Wings --- On Mon 09/08, Frederick Oldenburg < foldenburg@earthlink.net > wrote: From: Frederick Oldenburg [mailto: foldenburg@earthlink.net] Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleveland? --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg Hi All, I'm getting ready to flip a coin here, but I thought I'd ask for input from those that know. Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me. Any help would be greatly appreciated! do not archive Fred Oldenburg RV-7A - Empennage Kit Ordered http://rv.oldsack.com Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:52 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air-Stop tubes --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" > > Doug and all, > > I don't play a chemist on TV but I do teach chemistry at the local junior > college. > But, "Did you stay in a Holiday Inn last night?" I hate all Rocket Drivers!!!!! Especially Ex-F-4 Driver Rocket drivers! Tailwinds, Doug "Jealous Hater of all Rocket Drivers" Rozendaal Needless to say, Do not archive ! ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: radio calls From: sipherrv@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: sipherrv@juno.com Bryan, Nope, Just trying to hang on to my F-16 roots. Retired from the USAF in Feb03. And I do miss it. Thats why I am starting an RV. The closest thing I can find. Hey, wouldn't it be great if we all could use such call signs instead of N1234Q or the like? v/r Bill RV-4 On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:28:43 -0500 "RV_8 Pilot" writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > Bill - > > Do you use the "Viper" call sign as a civillian or in your gub'ment > supplied > equipment? > > Bryan Jones -8 > Pearland, Texas > > do not archive > > >"Lubbock Tower, Viper 11, ten nautical miles west of the field for > >Initial Rwy 30" (assuming I had the atis and knew what the active > runway > >was). > > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!