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1. 05:31 AM - Re: O2 (Robert Miller)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Rolling Elevator leading Edges (Brian Meyette)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Rolling Elevator leading Edges (Bill Dube)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: Stobes and Power Supplies (Scott Brumbelow)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Stobes and Power Supplies (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 10:26 AM - Re: Rolling Elevator leading Edges (Elsa & Henry)
7. 10:26 AM - LRI (Bill VonDane)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: LRI ()
9. 11:03 AM - Re: LRI (Ken Simmons)
10. 01:21 PM - Re: Rolling Elevator leading Edges (Will & Lynda Allen)
11. 01:27 PM - Re: LRI (Bill VonDane)
12. 05:23 PM - RV Forum EAA 486 Summary (RV6160hp@aol.com)
13. 05:59 PM - First Flight RV-4 (Ron Calhoun)
14. 06:21 PM - Re: Re:Short Field (Nels Hanson)
15. 06:41 PM - Re:RV-4 First Flight (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
16. 08:15 PM - Re: First Flight RV-4 (Charles Rowbotham)
17. 08:44 PM - Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin (Larry Bowen)
18. 10:06 PM - Flip-up center armrest? (Mitch Faatz)
19. 10:50 PM - AVG / Grisoft antivirus (Rob W M Shipley)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
The problem in SCUBA with N2 is not that HGB has affinity for it, but rather it
is the increase in dissolved N2 in plasma at depth that upon surfacing, can
come out of solution and form bubbles. All the gases you've mentioned cross
alveolar membranes without difficulty.
You are right of course that CO binds tightly to the HGB molecule.... and thus,
it can kill.
Robert
Wheeler North wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Well,
>
> not entirely sure about that, I was told as a diver that the iron in the
> blood caused the O2 to want to cross the barrier and attach more than the N2
> did. And CO was really interested in crossing and attaching permanently to
> the iron molecule thereby making it useless to transport O2.
>
> But I qualify that I are not an expert.
>
> do not archive
>
> Time: 05:11:56 AM PST US
> From: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Molecules
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> Thought I'd reply to this (just for fun...)
>
> > your lungs are permeable to both O2
> > and N2, but more so with O2.
> >
>
> I don't know that this is true. The partial pressure of atmospheric gases
> crossing alveolar membranes remains proportional.
>
> > Avagadro's Law states that all gas molucules not involved in a chemical
> > reaction will demand the same volume of space per molecule at equal
> > temps/pressures, therefore appropriately contributing their portion of
> > partial pressure. This should include while they are being crammed
> through
> a
> > leak. It doesn't matter what type of gas molecule it is.
> >
> >
> Agreed.
>
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| Subject: | Rolling Elevator leading Edges |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
Use the broomstick method and do the whole length at a time. You need a
vise-grip on EACH END of the broomstick to get consistent results the full
length. Bend the outer edge in a bit before doing this, so it sits tight to
the inner edge. Yes, I did use better rivets. See details on my empennage
page.
http://brian76.mystarband.net/rv7a/empennage/EmpennageBuild.htm
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tx_jayhawk@excite.com
Subject: RV-List: Rolling Elevator leading Edges
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Anyone have a good procedure and/or pictures for rolling the leading edges
of the control surfaces? Are people cutting down lengths of broomsticks and
doing a cut-out section at a time, or do they do it all at once? I just
followed the directions and rolled the whole thing at once (after using the
edge-rolling tool on both edges). It seemed to produce different curvatures
from inboard to outboard ends. I then got the bright idea of "fixing" it
with the hand seamer, and put little indentions all along the inboard edge.
I'm more disgusted with the results of this than any other part to date. I
haven't started the right elevator or the rudder, so I am hoping I can do it
better on those pieces. A quick search of the archives didn't do much help.
Also, is anyone using an alternative pop-rivet in that area? The AD-41s
specified in the plans sure seem wimpy.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Scott
7A Emmp/Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling Elevator leading Edges |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
At 01:44 AM 9/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>Anyone have a good procedure and/or pictures for rolling the leading edges
>of the control surfaces?
I used a length of steel pipe.
The first one did not come out as well as the last one :)
I found that it all worked much better if I held the pipe to the
table with a couple of C-clamps. I didn't crank down hard with the clamps.
I put the clamps in position, twisted the pipe a bit with a pipe wrench,
then repositioned the clamps, etc. Seemed to work very well. Definitely
much more "under control" than the "all manual" method.
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| Subject: | Re: Stobes and Power Supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
First off, I have not been getting emails from the list for a number of weeks (and
have not had time to investigate), so if you respond to this please do so directly
to CSBRUMBELOW@FEDEX.COM
I am preparing to mount my strobes/nav lights and power supplies and have seen
NO
documentation, suggestions, etc. from Vans or anywhere else. I did some research
in
the archives and came up empty (not to say I didn't miss it).
I have the wingtip set up: each wingtip fixture has the position light, strobe
light, and rear-facing white light. I have a power supply for each unit. I also
have the "standard" wingtips for the RV-8. Additionally, my intent is to mount
the
power supplies on the outer most rib of each wing. This leads to three questions:
1) Is there a "best" recommended placement/methodology for mounting the power
supplies on this outer rib? What about water protection, any strengthening/doubling
of the rib structure, etc. required?
2) How high up on the outer side of the wingtip should the strobe/nav/etc. light
fixtures be mounted? Obviously they need to be high enough such that they give
the
required convergence over the top of the aircraft, but not so high that I am seeing
them (especially the strobe) from the cockpit.
3) Is the light mounting plate simply mounted directly to the wingtip surface,
or do people typically use some kind of filler (i.e., RTV) between it and the
wingtip?
Thanks!
Scott in MEM
Finally at the airport!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Stobes and Power Supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Scott,
I mounted my power supplies on the spar plate out on the end of the wing.
Four nutplates!
My DAR said no doubler would be necessary.
I'm using the spar plate as a local ground and will bond the other end at
the center of the fuse. My hi-power runs are very short to the end of the
tip to the same type of lights that you've described. Van's sells a spacer
plate made out of fiberglas that puts the light assy in the correct
spot/angle.
I have pictures of my power supply mounting at home if you want
Ralph Capen
RV6A Richardson, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Brumbelow" <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Stobes and Power Supplies
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
>
> First off, I have not been getting emails from the list for a number of
weeks (and
> have not had time to investigate), so if you respond to this please do so
directly
> to CSBRUMBELOW@FEDEX.COM
>
> I am preparing to mount my strobes/nav lights and power supplies and have
seen NO
> documentation, suggestions, etc. from Vans or anywhere else. I did some
research in
> the archives and came up empty (not to say I didn't miss it).
>
> I have the wingtip set up: each wingtip fixture has the position light,
strobe
> light, and rear-facing white light. I have a power supply for each unit. I
also
> have the "standard" wingtips for the RV-8. Additionally, my intent is to
mount the
> power supplies on the outer most rib of each wing. This leads to three
questions:
>
> 1) Is there a "best" recommended placement/methodology for mounting the
power
> supplies on this outer rib? What about water protection, any
strengthening/doubling
> of the rib structure, etc. required?
> 2) How high up on the outer side of the wingtip should the
strobe/nav/etc. light
> fixtures be mounted? Obviously they need to be high enough such that they
give the
> required convergence over the top of the aircraft, but not so high that I
am seeing
> them (especially the strobe) from the cockpit.
> 3) Is the light mounting plate simply mounted directly to the wingtip
surface,
> or do people typically use some kind of filler (i.e., RTV) between it and
the
> wingtip?
>
> Thanks!
> Scott in MEM
> Finally at the airport!!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling Elevator leading Edges |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> I found that it all worked much better if I held the pipe to the
>table with a couple of C-clamps. I didn't crank down hard with the clamps.
I used a length of 3/4" copper water pipe with a 90 degree elbow soldered on
one end and a 1' stub soldered into the elbow to act as cranking handles.
Worked perfectly. I too, used clamps to hold the pipe in place as I cranked
it, but I used 2--12"carpenter's "Jensen" wood clamps with the opening set
to just over the diameter of the pipe, plus the thickness of the table base.
"C" clamps are used to hold the Jensen clamps to the table and the whole
set-up then is firm but the pipe is free to move as it is rotated.
Cheers!!------Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hi all...
I have an LRI - www.liftreserve.com - in my -8A and seem to remember there were two parties involved in this company that split apart to form two separate companies... The one above is still selling the analog gauge, and the other developed an LED instrument...
Anyone have any info the LED version?
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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MISSING_MIMEOLE,
MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME@matronics.com, MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3@matronics.com,
NO_REAL_NAME@matronics.com, REFERENCES@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> Anyone have any info the LED version?
www.liftreserve.net
BTW, any comments (positive, negative, does it help your approaches, etc)
on the LRI in your RV-8? I'm still wanting some type of AOA device, love
to hear real world user experiences vs manufacturer hype.
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
www.liftreserve.net
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Hi all...
>
>I have an LRI - www.liftreserve.com - in my -8A and seem to remember there were two parties involved in this company that split apart to form two separate companies... The one above is still selling the analog gauge, and the other developed an LED instrument...
>
>Anyone have any info the LED version?
>
>
>-Bill VonDane
>RV-8A
>www.vondane.com
>www.creativair.com
>www.epanelbuilder.com
>
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| Subject: | Rolling Elevator leading Edges |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Scott,
On the first one I did the whole thing at once and on the second I tried
each segment separately. In comparing, I found doing them separately to be
easier. It also seemed to come out better but that could be due to the
practice of already completing one?
I also used an edge roller on the outside edge of the second one I did after
advise from the list and that made a huge difference. I wish I had used it
on the first one because it made the edges seam together perfectly and I
highly recommend you do the same.
-Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tx_jayhawk@excite.com
Subject: RV-List: Rolling Elevator leading Edges
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Anyone have a good procedure and/or pictures for rolling the leading edges
of the control surfaces? Are people cutting down lengths of broomsticks and
doing a cut-out section at a time, or do they do it all at once? I just
followed the directions and rolled the whole thing at once (after using the
edge-rolling tool on both edges). It seemed to produce different curvatures
from inboard to outboard ends. I then got the bright idea of "fixing" it
with the hand seamer, and put little indentions all along the inboard edge.
I'm more disgusted with the results of this than any other part to date. I
haven't started the right elevator or the rudder, so I am hoping I can do it
better on those pieces. A quick search of the archives didn't do much help.
Also, is anyone using an alternative pop-rivet in that area? The AD-41s
specified in the plans sure seem wimpy.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Scott
7A Emmp/Wings
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Rob...
The LRI works great... I check it out every time I do stalls and crap, but
to tell you the truth, I never really look at it under normal flying...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <racker@rmci.net>
<MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME@matronics.com>; <MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3@matronics.com>;
<NO_REAL_NAME@matronics.com>; <REFERENCES@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: LRI
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
> Anyone have any info the LED version?
www.liftreserve.net
BTW, any comments (positive, negative, does it help your approaches, etc)
on the LRI in your RV-8? I'm still wanting some type of AOA device, love
to hear real world user experiences vs manufacturer hype.
Rob Acker (RV-6 flying)
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| Subject: | RV Forum EAA 486 Summary |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
The 9th annual RV Forum was held Saturday September 13th 2003 at the EAA chapter
486 Facility, KFZY-Oswego County Airport, Fulton New York. That Saturday was
centered on a weekend long event, which many flyer/driver tent campers partook
of.
While the poor weather Saturday was a mild deterrent, 20 RVs were on the field
for Saturdays event. As well some 90+-paid forum attendees who enjoyed the classroom
environment that these forum-technical presentations at EAA 486 are known
for. This included displaying both a flying RV6 less the cowls, and a fuselage
of an RV8 Subaru FWF, trailered in especially for the event. Other Number
details would include 5 production Aircraft, 1 Cozy, 1 Glastar, 140 Lunches
served and about 90 for the evening banquet wrap up. They were entertained
as guest speaker, author, historian Mr. Kirk House and the Glenn Curtiss story
was told about central New Yorks Ultimate Aviation Experimenter.
All the way form Oregon, Mr. Mike Seager gets extra credit for fighting through
the weather front to arrive at the forum and give his scheduled lessons. As
KFZY it self remained VFR most of the time, I believe just about all the lessons
were given, and his continued support is appreciated, THANK YOU MIKE!!!.
Finally we need to mention the Peoples Choice awards. This year it is no surprise
that Rick Grays (Vincent, Ohio) pristine RV6 took top honors in the RV side-by-side
category. As well the beautiful RV8 of Bill Flaherty (Irwin, PA) took
the award in the RV Tandem configuration. It was our pleasure to host such
nice planes once again at EAA 486.
Many thanks go out to our paid attendees who travel from all over in their cars,
to our technical presenters, to the pilot-builder supporters who flew in and
finally the many vendor material and door prize donators.
The 10th annual RV Forum is in planning stages already. Pencil in Saturday September
11th, 2004. The featured banquet speaker is tentative, but we will continue
to secure Mr. Bob McClurg, F4U Corsair pilotwingman to Pappy Boyington of
the famed Black Sheep Squadron.
Respectfully submitted
David McManmon
President EAA 486
RV6 N58DM Builder-Pilot
DNA
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| Subject: | First Flight RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun" <roncal@earthlink.net>
I flew N996NC for the first time today. Wow! I had been doing transition
training in a friend's RV-4 and I was so happy mine flew as nice as his. I
did have a heavy left wing, but because of this list, I know what to do
about that. Real flight testing starts tomorrow. I hope I can sleep
tonight. Thanks guys.
Ron Calhoun
RV-4 FLYING
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--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
I have a 160 HP Sterba prop RV-6 that I go in and out
of my 1,100 ft. farm strip(705 msl). Since I have
trees at both ends I restrict my activities at 85
degrees F and no wind conditions. Not bad for cruising
at 170 mph IFR. What more does a person need?
--- Bob n' Lu Olds <oldsfolks@aol.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds"
> <oldsfolks@aol.com>
>
> Just HOW short a field are you talking about?? I fly
> our RV-4(150 HP) from our 1100 ft. grass strip @460
> MSL in summer or winter.
> I have just installed vortex generators from Larry
> Vetterman for enough margin to take my wife along.
> Bob Olds
> Charleston,Arkansas
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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| Subject: | Re:RV-4 First Flight |
NO_REAL_NAME@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Congratulations Ron ! Now you'll find out what the RV Grin is all about.
Everything I have flown since our RV-4 has seemed like a DOG !!
Keep Flyin'
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Ron,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Ron Calhoun" <roncal@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: First Flight RV-4
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:59:26 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun" <roncal@earthlink.net>
>
>
>I flew N996NC for the first time today. Wow! I had been doing transition
>training in a friend's RV-4 and I was so happy mine flew as nice as his. I
>did have a heavy left wing, but because of this list, I know what to do
>about that. Real flight testing starts tomorrow. I hope I can sleep
>tonight. Thanks guys.
>
>Ron Calhoun
>RV-4 FLYING
>
>
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| Subject: | Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
I'll be rivetting the top forward fuse skin on my RV-8 one of these
days. Many of the 3/32" rivets will have to be blind rivets due to
access issues. What is the preferred blind rivet to use in this area?
The smallest CherryMax I know of is 1/8". Are MK319's the next best
thing? Something else?
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen, 80607
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Flip-up center armrest? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" <mitchf@skybound.com>
I saw a plane at a fly-in Jackson, CA about five years ago that had a real nice
flip-up armrest that they said they were always fighting over when they flew.
Anybody know which plane that might be? It was an RV-6 or 6A with a real nice
interior.
Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA
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| Subject: | AVG / Grisoft antivirus |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <rob@robsglass.com>
NOT RV RELATED
I'm posting this to the list since I'm aware that many listers use this antivirus
software.
I've been using their free offering for a while now - in fact since turned on to
it by another lister. In the last week I've been making some changes with my
ISP and some server problems have arisen.
I am now unable to receive my scheduled updates and after a complete reinstall
on one computer I cannot get a response from AVG to the request for a password
to activate the new installation.
I would be very grateful if anyone can help me figure out if there is a problem
with AVG or my ISP's server.
I really would like to be able to continue using this program but since there is
no reply to the activation code request I'm wondering if they have discontinued
the free antivirus service.
Any help appreciated.
Fly safe
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
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