---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/17/03: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:12 AM - Re: Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 2. 03:39 AM - Re: LRI (Kevin Horton) 3. 04:56 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (Craig Warner) 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin (Pat Hatch) 6. 07:06 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? () 7. 07:07 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (Wayne Reese) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: First Flight RV-4 (C. Rabaut) 9. 07:52 AM - King KX 125 Comm/Nav for Sale (Edward Christian) 10. 09:45 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (Conti, Rick) 11. 09:49 AM - RV-10 engines (Tripp Myrick) 12. 10:48 AM - Re: LRI (Bill VonDane) 13. 10:56 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (Mitch Faatz) 14. 11:22 AM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (HCRV6@aol.com) 15. 11:42 AM - Re: RV-10 engines (Brian Denk) 16. 03:52 PM - Re: LRI (Kevin Horton) 17. 05:13 PM - static wicks (JhnstnIII@aol.com) 18. 05:24 PM - Re: RV-10 engines (Elsa & Henry) 19. 05:28 PM - Re: RV-10 engines (David Burton) 20. 07:29 PM - Re: static wicks (Doug Rozendaal) 21. 07:46 PM - LOE Fly-in (H.Ivan Haecker) 22. 08:57 PM - Re: LOE Fly-in (Brian Denk) 23. 09:09 PM - Re: RV-10 engines (Brian Denk) 24. 09:20 PM - Re: Painting metallics (Dave Bristol) 25. 10:35 PM - Re: Painting metallics (Bruce Gray) 26. 11:15 PM - Re: Flip-up center armrest? (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:17 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Larry, Aviation Fasteners carries a Cherry Max CR3214-4-2 which is an opps type rivet (1/8" shaft-3/32" head). Supper strong......looks like a driven rivet when completed. Tom in Ohio RV6-A (Painting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I'll be rivetting the top forward fuse skin on my RV-8 one of these > days. Many of the 3/32" rivets will have to be blind rivets due to > access issues. What is the preferred blind rivet to use in this area? > The smallest CherryMax I know of is 1/8". Are MK319's the next best > thing? Something else? > > Thanks, > > - > Larry Bowen, 80607 > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:16 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: LRI --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Al was working on an add-on module for the round-dial LRI to add aural stall warning. I saw a demo at OSH, and it seems to be promising. Anyone installing a LRI (or other "AOA" system needs to decide what they want the unit to do. If you want stall warning, you need one with some sort of audible signal. If you want it to help you go into and out of short fields, or to be there in case you need to do a forced landing in a small spot, you had better get used to using it on every flight. Otherwise you won't have developed the skills and habit patterns required to use the AOA system on the day you really need it. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:57 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? ORIGINAL_MESSAGE --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com I Assume from your question you are looking for armrest pictures. I have some here. Center console, simple construction, flip up top. I have several friends who put one of these in after flying mine. (right smoozer?) Very comfortable and useful. http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm go to finishing, then interior. If you were looking for that particular plane, sorry I can not help you Enjoy, Mike Stewart RV-6A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:17 AM PST US From: "Craig Warner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" Ken Barto used to make these. You can reach him at 315-622-2072. Best regards Craig still building ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Faatz" Subject: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" > > I saw a plane at a fly-in Jackson, CA about five years ago that had a real nice flip-up armrest that they said they were always fighting over when they flew. Anybody know which plane that might be? It was an RV-6 or 6A with a real nice interior. > > Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:54 AM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Larry, I used MK319s as you suggest. Holes need to be enlarged to #33 as you know, after they are set, they will need to be filled (I used a micro slurry). Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: Rivet options, top fwd fuse skin > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I'll be rivetting the top forward fuse skin on my RV-8 one of these > days. Many of the 3/32" rivets will have to be blind rivets due to > access issues. What is the preferred blind rivet to use in this area? > The smallest CherryMax I know of is 1/8". Are MK319's the next best > thing? Something else? > > Thanks, > > - > Larry Bowen, 80607 > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? From: MISSING_MIMEOLE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME@matronics.com, MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3@matronics.com, NO_REAL_NAME@matronics.com, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT@matronics.com, REFERENCES@matronics.com, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: Maybe try http://new.metronet.com/~dreeves/turtlewooddesign/roger.htm ? Rob Acker (RV-6 flying) do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitch Faatz" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" >> >> I saw a plane at a fly-in Jackson, CA about five years ago that had a >> real > nice flip-up armrest that they said they were always fighting over when > they flew. Anybody know which plane that might be? It was an RV-6 or > 6A with a real nice interior. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:42 AM PST US From: "Wayne Reese" Subject: RE: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" There is a RV=6a builder flyer at Bountiful Skyharbor Utah, who has a STC for arm rests in certified aircraft. It could be him, I'll look for a name etc. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Faatz Subject: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? --> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" I saw a plane at a fly-in Jackson, CA about five years ago that had a real nice flip-up armrest that they said they were always fighting over when they flew. Anybody know which plane that might be? It was an RV-6 or 6A with a real nice interior. Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:05 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight RV-4 --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Way to Go... Now we have another RV-4 Bro! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Calhoun Subject: RV-List: First Flight RV-4 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun" > > > I flew N996NC for the first time today. Wow! I had been doing transition > training in a friend's RV-4 and I was so happy mine flew as nice as his. I > did have a heavy left wing, but because of this list, I know what to do > about that. Real flight testing starts tomorrow. I hope I can sleep > tonight. Thanks guys. > > Ron Calhoun > RV-4 FLYING > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:01 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: King KX 125 Comm/Nav for Sale From: Edward Christian --> RV-List message posted by: Edward Christian Anybody interested in an almost new (used 7hrs) Nav/Comm? Complete with tray, harness, manual. Replaced for upgrade. See photos, more info at: http://homepage.mac.com/edchristian/PhotoAlbum6.html Info at: http://homepage.mac.com/edchristian/FileSharing7.html Do Not Archive Ed ___________________ edchristian@knology.net ___________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? From: "Conti, Rick" , , , , --> RV-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" Sporty's Catalog has both fixed and flip-up armrests. Very expensive. Experimental class, why not build your own. Thank You Rick Conti The Boeing Company office: 703 - 872 - 4602 cell: 703 - 472 - 8592 If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit -----Original Message----- From: racker@rmci.net [mailto:racker@rmci.net] MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3@matronics.com; NO_REAL_NAME@matronics.com; QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT@matronics.com; REFERENCES@matronics.com; REPLY_WITH_QUOTES@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? --> RV-List message posted by: Maybe try http://new.metronet.com/~dreeves/turtlewooddesign/roger.htm ? Rob Acker (RV-6 flying) do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitch Faatz" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" >> >> I saw a plane at a fly-in Jackson, CA about five years ago that had a >> real > nice flip-up armrest that they said they were always fighting over when > they flew. Anybody know which plane that might be? It was an RV-6 or > 6A with a real nice interior. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:21 AM PST US From: "Tripp Myrick" Subject: RV-List: RV-10 engines HTML_MESSAGE --> RV-List message posted by: "Tripp Myrick" I am trying to help an RV friend sell two new RV-10 Lycoming engines. IO-540-T4B5 260 HP with alternator, starter, magnetos and injector pump. Brand new in box with all paperwork, logbooks and Factory Warranty $33,900 outright Contact me off-list at : tmyrick@mchsi.com or call 706-660-8082 Thanks, Tripp Myrick RV-8 (sold) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:08 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: LRI --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane ok, ok... I get it... I will start flying by the LRI... Sheesh! ;-) -Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: Re: RV-List: LRI --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Al was working on an add-on module for the round-dial LRI to add aural stall warning. I saw a demo at OSH, and it seems to be promising. Anyone installing a LRI (or other "AOA" system needs to decide what they want the unit to do. If you want stall warning, you need one with some sort of audible signal. If you want it to help you go into and out of short fields, or to be there in case you need to do a forced landing in a small spot, you had better get used to using it on every flight. Otherwise you won't have developed the skills and habit patterns required to use the AOA system on the day you really need it. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:46 AM PST US From: "Mitch Faatz" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? BASE64_ENC_TEXT, REFERENCES --> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" The one I'm looking for wasn't a center console, it was just a flip-up arm rest. So when you didn't want to use it, there was nothing between the seats. It just flipped down against the electric flap console. Then again, perhaps a rugged center console that you could step on would make it easier to get in without stepping on the seat cushions... Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA >> I Assume from your question you are looking for armrest pictures. I have >> some here. Center console, simple construction, flip up top. I have several ... > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mitch Faatz [mailto:mitchf@skybound.com] > > I saw a plane at a fly-in Jackson, CA about five years ago that had a real > nice flip-up armrest that they said they were always fighting over when they > flew. Anybody know which plane that might be? It was an RV-6 or 6A with a > real nice interior. > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:53 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Mitch, sorry I can't help but I'm interested, so if you do locate any info on the flip up (down?) armrest please pass it on. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, firewall forward ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:28 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >I am trying to help an RV friend sell two new RV-10 Lycoming engines. > >IO-540-T4B5 260 HP >with alternator, starter, magnetos and injector pump. >Brand new in box with all paperwork, logbooks and Factory Warranty >$33,900 outright > >Contact me off-list at : >tmyrick@mchsi.com or call >706-660-8082 > >Thanks, >Tripp Myrick RV-8 (sold) Wow, I just gotta wonder what this world is coming to when an air cooled tractor engine (ala Lycosaurus) costs more than a brand new home did in the mid seventies. How times have changed! I'm sure the engine is valued appropriately for the market so please don't take this as a slam, but it just boggles my mind how far the aviation market has gone off the deep end in value for the hard earned dollar. To those who can readily afford an engine of this caliber, I applaud thee. Meanwhile, for me, my RV10 might be powered with a series of Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engines all linked together with a PSRU. Now, how to rig that pull starter cord into the cabin.... Brian Denk RV8 N94BD used O-360 that keeps on runnin', so I can't really complain too much! RV10 40051 do not archive this diatribe ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:08 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: LRI --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Bill, I'm glad I didn't offend you. I wished I had lightened up on the tone of the message after I sent it, but it was too late. Tone in e-mails is a real problem. It is so easy to take stuff the wrong way. But if we all paid excruciating attention to the tone we would never get the blasted things written. So every once in a while we'll drop a real clanger. Take care and fly safe, Kevin >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > >ok, ok... I get it... I will start flying by the LRI... > >Sheesh! ;-) > >-Bill >do not archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Horton" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: LRI > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >Al was working on an add-on module for the round-dial LRI to add >aural stall warning. I saw a demo at OSH, and it seems to be >promising. > >Anyone installing a LRI (or other "AOA" system needs to decide what >they want the unit to do. If you want stall warning, you need one >with some sort of audible signal. If you want it to help you go into >and out of short fields, or to be there in case you need to do a >forced landing in a small spot, you had better get used to using it >on every flight. Otherwise you won't have developed the skills and >habit patterns required to use the AOA system on the day you really >need it. >-- >Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >Ottawa, Canada >http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:13 PM PST US From: JhnstnIII@aol.com Subject: RV-List: static wicks --> RV-List message posted by: JhnstnIII@aol.com Listers--Those of you flying IFR, have you had any problems with P-static? Have you any experience or opinions on installing static wicks? Our avionics shop is recommending a bunch of them--they're pricy little devils (what isn't?). I checked the archives, no real experience, just speculation. Thanks in advance. --LeRoy Johnston/David White in Ohio (RV-6, fuel lines, wing attach work). ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:57 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Hey Brian, he didn't say EACH! Cheers! Henry H. Do Not Archive! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:15 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 engines --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > Wow, I just gotta wonder what this world is coming to when an air cooled > tractor engine (ala Lycosaurus) costs more than a brand new home did in the > mid seventies. How times have changed! I'm sure the engine is valued > appropriately for the market so please don't take this as a slam, but it > just boggles my mind how far the aviation market has gone off the deep end > in value for the hard earned dollar. To those who can readily afford an > engine of this caliber, I applaud thee. Meanwhile, for me, my RV10 might be > powered with a series of Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engines all linked > together with a PSRU. > > Now, how to rig that pull starter cord into the cabin.... > > Brian Denk Just exactly how the Germans started the first jet fighter! A pull cord in the cockpit!!! http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html Now this is a homebuilt... Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:06 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: static wicks --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" That is a good question.... most airplanes that go RV speed have static wicks... I have flown airplanes with static wicks all over them that still looked like a fireball in a snow storm, and I have flown them that have no trouble at all. go figure. If you are not in a hurry, when winter comes I will tell you what happens with my -4. The previous owner flew it IFR and he made no mention of it. St Elmo's fire at night is so cool, but not being able to talk to center or navigate is kind of a bummer. One 210 I used to fly was the worst of all, The prop would glow with a ring of fire. You could shoot sparks 6 inches off your fingers to the Windshield, and it would make your hair stand on end. Holding on to the compass with one hand was the only way you could talk on the radio. It had static wicks all over it but nothing helped. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: static wicks > --> RV-List message posted by: JhnstnIII@aol.com > > Listers--Those of you flying IFR, have you had any problems with P-static? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:40 PM PST US From: "H.Ivan Haecker" Subject: RV-List: LOE Fly-in HTML_MESSAGE --> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" Anyone have info on transportation to/from the airport and town? Are restaurants within walking distance from the motel (Hampton Inn)? Is there any reason one would need/want a rental car? Thanks in advance. Ivan Haecker rv-4 950 hrs. So.Cen.TX ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:01 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: LOE Fly-in --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >--> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" > >Anyone have info on transportation to/from the airport and town? Are >restaurants within walking distance from the motel (Hampton Inn)? Is there >any reason one would need/want a rental car? Thanks in advance. >Ivan Haecker rv-4 950 hrs. So.Cen.TX We have to have a car...with a toddler seat! The airport is rather isolated from the city. If you want true flexibility for your itinerary, rent a car. (I booked a Hertz, Ford Taurus for about $30.) Or, just hitch a ride with someone who has an extra seat. There should be plenty...even mine! If you stay at the Hampton Inn, there should be a small squadron of RV'ers with rental cars coming and going throughout the event. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:12 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > >Hey Brian, he didn't say EACH! > >Cheers! Henry H. > >Do Not Archive! Phooey...silly English language...too much left to the imagination sometimes. Now, if we're talking about $15k per engine...we might have a very good deal here. Still....FIFTEEN *choke* THOUSAND *gasp* DOLLARS for a bank of jugs, a case and a sump?! Oh, and a thingy to squirt fuel into the beast at a somewhat controlled rate. Such a deal! What we need is a good, $5k turbine. Gimme gimme!! Brian "dreading buying another Lycosaurus" Denk RV8 flying RV10 in pieces somewhere at Van's. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:20 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting metallics --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Mark, When shooting metallic paint you have to keep the paint agitated. If you don't have a professional gun with an agitator in it then just give the gun a shake at the end of every couple of strokes. Most of the metallic paints that I've used don't like to stay mixed very well and you have to keep it stirred somehow. I had to repaint a car once because of this and believe me, it DOES make a difference. Dave EAA Technical Counselor czechsix@juno.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com > > >Guys, > >What's the trick to painting single-stage metallics and getting the flakes to lay down in a uniform fashion? The only metallic I'm using on my plane is a single-stage silver (SherWill Genesis) that I'm applying to the leading edges of the wings, empennage, and flaps. The first thing I sprayed was the empennage leading edges. Per the recommendation of a local paint guy, I sprayed two coats--the first coat was across (perpendicular to) the leading edge, wait 10 mins for it to tack up, and the second coat was along the leading edge (i.e. a 90 degree cross coat to the first coat). This was on the empennage with the parts hanging in the booth LE down. Great results. > >Couple days ago I sprayed silver on the "LE" of my flaps (the part that will get covered by UHMW). I did everything the same as on the empennage except the parts were laying flat on sawhorses. This time the flakes look weird....kinda splotchy with an uneven pattern. Wondering if painting it on a vertical surface helps "align" the flakes better due to the tug of gravity than on a horizontal surface where they seem to just lay as the fell? Anybody with metallic painting experience that can offer some insight or suggestions? I still need to do my wing LE's and want them to look good... > >Thanks, > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D painting...learning everything the hard way... > >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:42 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting metallics --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Throw a couple of marbles into the bottom of the can. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting metallics --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Mark, When shooting metallic paint you have to keep the paint agitated. If you don't have a professional gun with an agitator in it then just give the gun a shake at the end of every couple of strokes. Most of the metallic paints that I've used don't like to stay mixed very well and you have to keep it stirred somehow. I had to repaint a car once because of this and believe me, it DOES make a difference. Dave EAA Technical Counselor czechsix@juno.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com > > >Guys, > >What's the trick to painting single-stage metallics and getting the flakes to lay down in a uniform fashion? The only metallic I'm using on my plane is a single-stage silver (SherWill Genesis) that I'm applying to the leading edges of the wings, empennage, and flaps. The first thing I sprayed was the empennage leading edges. Per the recommendation of a local paint guy, I sprayed two coats--the first coat was across (perpendicular to) the leading edge, wait 10 mins for it to tack up, and the second coat was along the leading edge (i.e. a 90 degree cross coat to the first coat). This was on the empennage with the parts hanging in the booth LE down. Great results. > >Couple days ago I sprayed silver on the "LE" of my flaps (the part that will get covered by UHMW). I did everything the same as on the empennage except the parts were laying flat on sawhorses. This time the flakes look weird....kinda splotchy with an uneven pattern. Wondering if painting it on a vertical surface helps "align" the flakes better due to the tug of gravity than on a horizontal surface where they seem to just lay as the fell? Anybody with metallic painting experience that can offer some insight or suggestions? I still need to do my wing LE's and want them to look good... > >Thanks, > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D painting...learning everything the hard way... > >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:07 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Flip-up center armrest? --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 9/17/2003 11:00:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mitchf@skybound.com writes: The one I'm looking for wasn't a center console, it was just a flip-up arm rest. So when you didn't want to use it, there was nothing between the seats. It just flipped down against the electric flap console. Then again, perhaps a rugged center console that you could step on would make it easier to get in without stepping on the seat cushions... That's what I have, and believe me, a center case is more useful in a plane than it is in a car. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 648hrs)