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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Horiz vs. Vert induction (Jeff Dowling)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: F-810C LENGTH RV-8 QUICKBUILD (DAVID REEL)
3. 07:41 AM - Re: SERFI? (Blake Avant)
4. 08:11 AM - [SoCAL-RVlist] Carb Ice over the Santa Monicas? Redux (Ed Holyoke)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: F-810C LENGTH RV-8 QUICKBUILD (Charlie Kuss)
6. 02:41 PM - Re: % RiteAngle AOA owners (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
7. 09:49 PM - [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems (Matt Dralle)
8. 09:54 PM - RV FLy-In - JEFFERSON CITY, MO - Oct. 11th. (David Schaefer)
9. 11:10 PM - Ultimate C-frame (BillDube@killacycle.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Horiz vs. Vert induction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I believe one benefit of the vert is that there is more room up front than
below. Easier to plumb fuel lines and cables and further away from the
exhaust. I dont think they can make it work for a carb though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Jordan" <mkejrj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Horiz vs. Vert induction
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dick Jordan" <mkejrj@erols.com>
>
> Geoff,
> I ordered the horizontal induction Superior engine and have not
received
> same at this writing. It should be ready for delivery in about 60 days
since
> they are doing engineering work on the manifold before releasing it to the
> public.My answers are based on conversations with Superior and are not
first
> hand knowledge but I believe them to be accurate.
>
> The new manifold is made from a composite material which is about 8
Lbs.
> lighter than it's standard aluminum counterpart. It routes the induction
> charge to the cylinders so that the gas air mixture does not pick up as
much
> heat as the conventional unit( which routes through the crank case filled
> with hot oil). The cooler induction method results in a denser mixture and
> more power.. Superior advises about 1/2 " more manifold pressure.
>
> The above summarizes the main advantages. Other than that I understand
the
> RV 8 is designed for the forward induction system and this should save
time
> and money in not having to modify the cowl for vertical induction.
>
> If my memory serves me the horizontal system sells for a $1,000. more
than
> the standard system. This may be distorted in that I purchased my engine
at
> an OSH sales price.
>
> Good Luck,
> Dick Jordan
> RV 8A, Finishing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Evans" <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
> To: "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Horiz vs. Vert induction
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Aero Sport Power now lists two types of IO-360 (the 180HP
> non-counterweighted
> > version) engines on their pricing page.
> >
> > The IO-360-B series has a vertical draft sump (like the O-360) and the
> > IO-360-M series has a horizontal setup (like the IO-360-A1B6).
> >
> > Other than the extra hole in the front of the cowl, what are the
> advantages
> > and disadvantages of a horizontal vs. vertical induction setup?
> >
> > Why is the M-series (horizontal) almost $2000 more?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -Geoff
> > RV-8 QB fuselage
> >
> > __________________________________
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> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-810C LENGTH RV-8 QUICKBUILD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I think shortness is a pretty standard problem with this part regardless of whether
it's a QB or not. I had the same concern on my 8A QB and here is Van's response:
There is no shear load on the bolt that goes thru the F-810C so as
long as the edge distance on the 887 is good, leave it as is.
No matter how tight you get the 810 in the 887, there is no way to
get standard edge distance on the 810 and the 887. It is more important
to get edge distance on the 887 longeron.
If I had built it myself, the fit would have been quite a bit closer and I would
have beveled the horizontal edge of F-810C to snug up to the curve between the
horizontal and vertical legs of F-887. The QB fit seemed perfunctory to me.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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--> RV-List message posted by: Blake Avant <planesense2002@yahoo.com>
Paul,
Its gotten bigger every year. I went about 6 years
ago and it was starting to get pretty big. I'm sure
you would get plenty of traffic.
Blake
--- Paul Besing <azpilot@extremezone.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
> <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> Anyone been to SERFI before? I was thinking of
> going and setting up a
> booth. How's the turn out each year?
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | [SoCAL-RVlist] Carb Ice over the Santa Monicas? Redux |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Hi Blake,
I'll check out the valve springs, though it doesn't seem like that's
what's going on. I'm curious. How many hours were on your engine when it
did that? How much rpm did you lose if you didn't reduce throttle
yourself? Did it happen early in the flight or only show up later?
You're right about engine monitoring not being cheap. I'm going to have
full monitoring on my RV-6. Our plan is to sell the Cessna when the RV-6
is about ready, so dumping endless streams of money into the 150 isn't a
good investment. I just want it to quit trying to kill me in the
meantime. I hope that's not an unrealistic expectation.
I hope we don't have a broken crank affecting valve timing. It runs up
so well that it's hard to feature something that basic being the
problem. In fact, it runs great most of the time. Whatever is causing
this problem gives no clue whatsoever of it's presence until I'm fat,
dumb and happy at altitude and a long way from home. That makes it
difficult to test fly. A couple of turns around the patch don't show up
anything.
Thanks for ideas. I need them.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Blake Harral" <bharral@cox.net>
>
> Ed,
>
> I have a C-172 with a 0-300 (same engine as an O-200 used in C-150).
> While
> at full throttle, it would occasionally start running rough, but
reducing
> the throttle and increasing it slowly would restore smooth operation
for a
> bit, at which point the whole process would repeat.
>
> I sent the carb out for overhaul, but it did not fix the problem.
> Finally,
> I got a suggestion to try new valve springs. I did install new
springs,
> and
> the problem disappeared. I now know of three cases where worn-out
valve
> springs caused a rough-running engine. I got a set of new surplus
springs
> from Fresno Airmotive - pretty reasonable cost. With the old springs
> installed, I could with quite a bit of effort, open a valve by
pressing
> down
> on the springs with my thumbs. The new springs were stiffer, and
after
> installation, I could no longer move the valve by pressing down on the
> spring with my thumbs.
>
> The first instance of your problem certainly sounds like carb ice, or
a
> fuel-realated problem - particularly as the engine quit entirely and
then
> restarted at low altitude.
>
> As for the second instance, after you thoroughly checked out the
fuel/air
> system, perhaps it is time to look elsewhere (ignition, valve train).
A
> fuel flow instrument and 4 cyl CHT/EGT monitoring would be a big help
in
> diagnosing the problem - I do realize these options are not cheap. It
> would
> be very helpful to know whether the carb is actually getting fuel to
the
> cylinders and whether the problem is with all cylinders or just one.
> Also,
> you should try operation on a single mag, as a malfunctioning mag
might
> fire
> early, causing rough operation.
>
> I have heard of cases where a *broken* crankshaft will ride in the
case
> bore, but due to the break, will not maintain alignment between the
> front/rear parts of the crankshaft. Because of the way shafts fail in
> torsion, the shape of the break does not allow the two parts to rotate
> completely independently, but perfect alignment is compromised. This
> causes
> the valve timing to change, and the engine to run rough. This is a
rare
> but
> pretty depressing (costwise) scenario.
>
> Having said all that, I'm not really sure what the problem is - just
> trying
> to give you some ideas. Good luck.
>
> Blake
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| Subject: | Re: F-810C LENGTH RV-8 QUICKBUILD |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
George,
I noticed the same thing. I scrapped my original, "made to plans" angle. I used
a cardboard template to make a second, longer piece which fits snugly in between
the longerons.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "GEORGE INMAN" <ghinman@attcanada.ca>
>
> When mounting my horiz.stab to the
> fuselage I noticed that the F-810C angle
> was not quite long enough.
> It does not butt tight against the
> vert. flange of the F-887 longeron
> As a result it will be difficult to
> maintain edge clearance for the bolt
> that goes through both the f-810C
> and the F-887 .
> Has anyone had this problem
> on the RV-8 QB .
>
>GEORGE H. INMAN
>ghinman@attcanada.ca
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: % RiteAngle AOA owners |
--> RV-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Time: 07:07:25 PM PST US
From: Larygagnon@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: RiteAngle AOA owners
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
My RV6 has 27 hours now and the AOA is still not programed.=A0 I wanted to wait
until I could take a passenger with me to be able to program the unit.=A0 I'm
intimidated by the instructions and want someone in the plane to help with
the
programing.=A0 I'll let you know when I get the system up and running.
Larry Gagnon
Larry, According to my records you purchased the system on 06/04/01, over
two years ago. I haven't heard from you in many many months. If I would have
known you were intimidated by the instructions, it would have been easy to send
you an updated CD of the setup instructions. There are over 400 RiteAngle
systems out there, and the instructions have improved constantly, primarily=20by
resolving questions like you may have. You purchased your system shortly after
it was introduced and we are striving to make it easier to understand the
setup instructions all the time. It is definitely true it is easier with another
person in the aircraft, however, as said earlier, there is nothing required=20you
didn't do prior to solo.
Let me know your questions and I'll either e-mail or phone at a time
convenient to you to get them answered! It is hard to resolve questions when you
don't know them and we strive to have the best customer service in the industry.
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know
If not let me know!
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall
riteangle3@aol.com
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| Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
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then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
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Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
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| Subject: | RV FLy-In - JEFFERSON CITY, MO - Oct. 11th. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
I was asked to post this for the group:
The second annual RV get together @ Jefferson City, MO (JEF)(
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KJEF ) will be held Saturday, October
11th. A Young Eagles even will kick-off at 09:00 with Lunch from 11:30.
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Regards,
David Schaefer
RV6-A Finishing Kit
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| Subject: | Ultimate C-frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <BillDube@killacycle.com>
For those that want the "deluxe" version of a C frame riveter, check out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559535597&category=32718
Bill Dube <LED@Killacycle.com>
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
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