RV-List Digest Archive

Mon 09/22/03


Total Messages Posted: 34



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     1. 03:56 AM - Partnership - RV6A and C210 Greensboro NC (eregensburg)
     2. 05:11 AM - Re: Ultimate C-frame (graham jones)
     3. 05:32 AM - Re: SERFI? (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
     4. 08:24 AM - Looking for an RV ride in Orlando... (Bill VonDane)
     5. 08:48 AM - 24v to 5v plug-in adapter? (George Nuse)
     6. 12:22 PM - invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Dan Checkoway)
     7. 12:45 PM - Possible Freight Carrier for Quickbuild Components (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
     8. 01:28 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Ralph E. Capen)
     9. 01:54 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Pat Hatch)
    10. 02:25 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (John Starn)
    11. 02:28 PM - dynon magentometer (Wheeler North)
    12. 02:38 PM - Master Cyl (Wheeler North)
    13. 02:38 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (John Starn)
    14. 03:16 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Greg Young)
    15. 03:20 PM - Re: Partnership - RV6A and C210 Greensboro NC (Dave Bristol)
    16. 03:42 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Bill Dube)
    17. 03:50 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (dmedema@att.net)
    18. 03:54 PM - Re: dynon magentometer (Jeff Orear)
    19. 04:51 PM - Rocket (Larry Pardue)
    20. 04:53 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Terry Watson)
    21. 05:11 PM - Re: Rocket ()
    22. 05:49 PM - Aerobatic Stress (Lenleg@aol.com)
    23. 07:13 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (RGray67968@aol.com)
    24. 07:13 PM - Hartzell Prop (smoothweasel@juno.com.FORGED_JUNO_RCVD.'From'.juno.com.does.not.match.'Received'.headers (2.8 points))
    25. 07:14 PM - Re: Rocket (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
    26. 07:37 PM - OT: Virus/Worms (Jerry Springer)
    27. 07:55 PM - need tip up canopy repair ideas (WPAerial@aol.com)
    28. 07:57 PM - Re: Aerobatic Stress (Brian Denk)
    29. 08:33 PM - Re: Rocket (Randy Lervold)
    30. 08:50 PM - Pneumatic cleco tool--Some of us gotta have it! (Richard Scott)
    31. 09:14 PM - Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door (Stein Bruch)
    32. 09:18 PM - Re: OT: Virus/Worms (Stein Bruch)
    33. 09:31 PM - New Builders Website ()
    34. 11:08 PM - Re: Pneumatic cleco tool--Some of us gotta have it! (Jim Jewell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:56:20 AM PST US
    From: eregensburg <eregensburg@triad.rr.com>
    Subject: Partnership - RV6A and C210 Greensboro NC
    --> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg <eregensburg@triad.rr.com> I am working to save a marriage here! I have a RV6A (2 passenger limited baggage 130 cruise)- full IFR (GPS,Dual VOR & GS, auto pilot, engine monitor, fuel flow meter etc). I recently purchased a Cessna 210 (4+passenger + baggage + fuel 170Knot cruise)which will be full IFR (new GNS 430, 3 axis auto pilot and more). My wife is a little upset at the new purchase. I need to find a partner for these planes. It would be ideal to find an RV builder looking for flying time while he finishes his plane. Partnership in the RV would run around $40K. (I would buy them out once theirs is built.) The 210 would run $50K. Or a person could partner in both airplanes for the best of both worlds! If anyone is interested contact me by email at: eregensburg@triad.rr.com Thanks Ed Regensburg N925RV - Greensboro NC


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    Time: 05:11:48 AM PST US
    From: graham jones <gratech2@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Ultimate C-frame
    --> RV-List message posted by: graham jones <gratech2@bigpond.com> I reckon the engine nacelles behind it, and what goes in to them, would be more use to an eager RV builder - every one seems to want to put turbines on their birds these days... After seeing the Wacko-Waco at Osh this year I can just see a -10 with a nice fat turbine nacelle like those off each side of the rear fuse.......... A couple of extra longerons to beef up the structure.... No worries, Mate!... You'd get great short field performance! Oops!... it time for my tablets again..... See Ya Jonesy in OZ Definitely Do Not Archive!!!!!! > --> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <BillDube@killacycle.com> > > For those that want the "deluxe" version of a C frame riveter, check out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559535597&category=32718 > > Bill Dube <LED@Killacycle.com> > http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm > >


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    Time: 05:32:38 AM PST US
    From: mstewart@qa.butler.com
    Subject: SERFI?
    --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com I think the turn outs have been pretty good Paul. I have been the past couple of years. Team RV will be flying again this year sometime during the show on Saturday. The RV turnout is pretty good. I'd say 100 planes last year, but a terrible weather pattern from the west held a bunch down. It is definately one of the smaller EAA fly-ins. The heat was brutal last year. We are hoping for good weather. Mike Stewart do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: SERFI? --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com> Anyone been to SERFI before? I was thinking of going and setting up a booth. How's the turn out each year? do not archive Paul Besing RV-6A Sold RV-10 Soon http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com


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    Time: 08:24:07 AM PST US
    From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
    Subject: Looking for an RV ride in Orlando...
    vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> Hi all... I have a buddy that has been working is butt off on a paint scheme for me that is going to be AWESOME and I would love it if I could get him an RV ride... He lives in Orlando... If anyone is interested, please contact me off list... -Bill bill@vondane.com


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    Time: 08:48:57 AM PST US
    From: "George Nuse" <gnuse@comcast.net>
    Subject: 24v to 5v plug-in adapter?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "George Nuse" <gnuse@comcast.net> Anyone know of a cig. lighter plug adapter to plug a PDA(ipaq with GPS) with 5v into the aircraft's 24v system? George


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    Time: 12:22:53 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
    Subject: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played around with on scrap: http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would not want to use it? Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com


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    Time: 12:45:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Possible Freight Carrier for Quickbuild Components
    From: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
    09/22/2003 03:41:42 PM --> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com Listers, I have developed a contact for a freight carrier to move our huge crates to the East Coast. The carrier's name is Nema Inc. and they are based in the Atlanta GA area. My company uses them for shipping extremely valuable freight that happens to have a similar dimension to what our quickbuilds have. They run a weekly route up the West Coast and would have it back in the Atlanta area a few days later. They have a warehouse in the Atlanta area with a fork truck, so they could cross-dock onto your trailer right there. What makes this carrier attractive for shipping aircraft is that they are not a LTL carrier. This is a truck that is heading back to home and will not be stopping at many terminals and beating the heck out of your crate while switching it to different trailers from hub to hub. Nema also has designed a crane into the roof of their trailers so that they can lift the crate right out of the trailer and set it on your flat-bed if needed. I have not witnessed this crane in action, so I can't vouch for its ability to do this on a fuselage-sized crate without having to tilt the crate during the process. I know that some of the cargo that we ship weighs over a ton and are packaged in crates over 30' long, but we are not concerned about keeping things level while handling. They run a truck out of the Atlanta area up the East Coast every week as well hitting one of our facilities in Warrendale PA and Appleton WI (Near Oshkosh) so you may wait on this truck if you are not in a hurry for your shipment. I can tell you that the price that they quoted me was about $300 less than what Van's said that ABF would charge for the move of my RV-8 QB fuselage, and I have much more faith in Nema. If you are interested in talking to them, call Mike George at 800-229-6362. Do not give them a call if you are in an extreme hurry to receive your freight because the rate that they will quote will assume that you are working with their regular route structure. In my case, I will have to meet them at a rest stop so they can drop the load on my flat-bed. If you choose to use them, please leave feedback on The RV List for others to see. If you are like me, a $300 freight savings helps out quite a bit. I will close by saying that I have no financial interest in Nema. I recommend them based on the success that I have had with them in the past in moving high-value freight. Don Alexander RV-8 wings almost done, QB fuse on the way in December


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    Time: 01:28:03 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net> All it needs in my opinion is to spring load the hinge to the open position and a hartwell latch........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> Subject: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > > I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl > that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it > before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played > around with on scrap: > > http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html > > Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would not > want to use it? > > Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > >


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    Time: 01:54:00 PM PST US
    From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com> Dan, I like your idea and your prototype oil door; however, I think the pressure inside the cowl is quite high and your oil door will tend to bulge outward. I was really surprised on the RV-4 how much it bulged around the fastners. I see your possible weak point at the hinge line where air pressure will push the door out in flight. Perhaps a little lip on this side to catch under the cowl when closed? Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> Subject: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > > I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl > that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it > before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played > around with on scrap: > > http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html > > Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would not > want to use it? > > Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > >


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    Time: 02:25:08 PM PST US
    From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net> Your photo's look great. Flush latch, Hartwell H-5000-2, on A/S page# 179 is what we used. Take a look at the oil door on Cessna types. They have a "U" bend attached to the door and the other end to the hidden hinge. They open toward the center line of the airframe but it's easy to adapt so that the hinge side is on the front quarter. Had a proto type built for the HRII but Gummibear was in a hurry to get airborne so we installed the hinge with the eyes up and cut door to fit. Someday I'll get back to it either for N561FS or an RV-10. KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net> > > All it needs in my opinion is to spring load the hinge to the open position > and a hartwell latch........ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > > > > I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl > > that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it > > before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played > > around with on scrap: > > > > http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html > > > > Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would > not > > want to use it? > > > > Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:28:57 PM PST US
    From: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
    Subject: dynon magentometer
    --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us> Folks, re the list provided about magnetometer locations, I don't mean to trash it, but I found that this thing is very sensitive to any steel or current within 12". I had it located 10 inches away diagonally from the aileron leading edge and it was all over the place, due to the steel pipe in the aileron. 1. In front of the horizontal stab, under the vertical stab. Fair, but you have the steel hardware for the vert and horizontal stab, as well as elevator horns 2. On the rear of the baggage bulkhead, top and sides Poor, if steel or magnets are loaded into baggage area, and if slider version then you have steel canopy frame. 3. Outboard in a wing bay Seems like best place, as long as no major current wires nearby and in leading edge away from aileron. 4. Behind the pilot or copilots seat, mount to the horizontal crossbar Bad, flaps bar is steel, as well as flap motor, and baggage loading, see 2 5. Under the baggage floor skins bad, same as 2 and 4 6. Inside my wing fairing, I have P-40/Spitfire style fairings. bad, same as 2 and 4 7. Inside the baggage compartment bad, same as 2 and 4, (I assume that you don't mean the forward one in an 8, in which case if this location works then the internal unit should work.) 8. On the floorboards, just behind the pilot/copilot seats bad, same as 2 and 4 9. On any fuselage bulkhead behind the baggage compartment Fair, but a bitch to get to, and very hard to get exactly oriented and get it stiff enough to not vibrate. 10. Build a shelf somewhere behind the baggage compartment hang from top skin, or mount to bottom skin. Same as 9 11. Inside a wing tip. good as long as nothing else is in there As you can see this thing is not that easy to locate, particularly if you have a bunch of stuff in your wingtips and leading edges. Then once you find a spot getting it matched to the main unit and mounted securly isn't that easy either. My notes on how I did it should be in the archives W


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    Time: 02:38:21 PM PST US
    From: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
    Subject: Master Cyl
    --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us> Brian, I had the same problem on my right system, pilots pedal. There were some rough spots on the shaft, where something had marred the shaft. Not sure if this happened in route to me or during installation. I could not find anything that would have caused it as installed. But its symptoms were that it would suck in air between the copilot and pilot's pedals every time I went upside down. It finally started leaking fluid out, so I rebuilt it, and chucked the shaft up in a lathe and polished it. A drill press would work for this. If it happens again I'm going to replace the whole unit. The other three seem to be working just fine. W


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    Time: 02:38:39 PM PST US
    From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net> Just another thought... Installed "L" stiffeners on underside of door. 140+ hrs AND 250K (est.)without an in flight opening or flexing. IO540 oil dip stick is forward of the baffle in the largest flat (read flex) and highest pressure area possible. We did fabricate a "ring" of .040 for the door to rest on. KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door > --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com> > > Dan, > > I like your idea and your prototype oil door; however, I think the pressure > inside the cowl is quite high and your oil door will tend to bulge outward. > I was really surprised on the RV-4 how much it bulged around the fastners. I > see your possible weak point at the hinge line where air pressure will push > the door out in flight. Perhaps a little lip on this side to catch under > the cowl when closed? > > Pat Hatch > RV-4 > RV-6 > RV-7 QB (Building) > Vero Beach, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > > > > I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl > > that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it > > before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played > > around with on scrap: > > > > http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html > > > > Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would > not > > want to use it? > > > > Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:16:09 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    Subject: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com> Nothing wrong with the design, it's been done many times. I used p/n 11205A36 from http://www.mcmaster.com rather than roll my own. And I got the p/n from someone else. A friend used one very wide version of yours rather than 2 pieces. Keep in mind the cowling is not flat and the hinge lines of the 2 pieces should be co-linear to prevent binding. It's also got to clear the baffling and dipstick depending on its orientation. Regards, Greg Young - Houston (DWH) RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > > I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil > door on the cowl that will make the hinge invisible. I'd > like to get some feedback on it before I commit to it. Here > are some photos of the design, which I played around with on scrap: > > http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html > > Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason > why I would not want to use it? > > Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com >


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    Time: 03:20:23 PM PST US
    From: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
    Subject: Re: Partnership - RV6A and C210 Greensboro NC
    --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org> eregensburg wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg <eregensburg@triad.rr.com> > > > I have a RV6A (2 passenger limited >baggage 130 cruise.... > I sure hope that's a typo - otherwise you have some major problems! Dave, RV6 165+ knot curise do not archive


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    Time: 03:42:02 PM PST US
    From: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov> At 12:21 PM 9/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > >I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl >that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it >before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played >around with on scrap: > >http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html > >Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would not >want to use it? I would be concerned about aerodynamic loads. I was chatting with a local RVer, and he showed me how his cowl bowed at the top rear where he decided not to install a single fastener. (It is installed now.) The arms are much weaker and more compliant than direct attachment to the hinge. Thus, the door might bow in or out as the arms flex. You could put a lip and a fastener (like a cam lock) on the hinge edge of the door to be sure it didn't bow in or out. However, if you did that, why have the hinge at all?


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    Time: 03:50:06 PM PST US
    From: dmedema@att.net
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net I can't tell for sure on what side of the access door you have the hinge (i.e. top, bottom, front or back). I basically copied Laird Owen's design which has the hinges on the front. It works fine but I almost put the hinge point to far forward which would have been inside the baffles. As it is, it just clears the rear baffle on the engine. Doug Medema RV-6A N276


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    Time: 03:54:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: dynon magentometer
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com> Wheeler et al: I spent the better part of yesterday building a shelf patterned after Dan Checkoway's design he had for his magnetometer. Go to http://www.rvproject.com/20030806.html to have a look at his design. I made one modification to it that seems to eliminate Wheeler's concern that it would be a pain to get to if it is mounted on F607, in a 6A in my case. My shelf is hinged at its trailing edge so that adjustments in pitch orientation can be made precisely. My first concern about this design was that the hinge would vibrate, but it appears to be quite stable. I used the same size as for the flaps. I plan to rivet the vertical portion of the tray that is supported by F607 without the rest of the tray on....in other words I'll pull the hinge pin. That way I can rivet it in place, oriented parallel to the bottom flange of my instrument panel (my Dynon is not mounted yet). . The Magnetometer will attach to the horizontal part of the tray such that it is parallel to the aft edge/hinge of the tray. This in turn makes it parallel to F607, taking care of orientation in yaw, assuming that my panel is still perpendicular to the long axis of the airplane as it was constructed. The forward angle support can be clamped to the top rib extending from F606 ( sorry, don't have parts numbers infront of me) and oriented until it is level with the long axis of the Dynon. Once the aft top skin is riveted on, the only thing I will have to crawl back there to do is slip my hinge pin back in and get the tray level in the long axis, then drill through pilot holes in the forward support into the fuselage top rib. If I can't get in there, at least my 12 year old son can! I'll loan him out for a price. ; ) The only ferrous material nearby is the steel cable for the shoulder harness anchors, but seems they are more than 12" away, and should not be a factor. I opted for this location as I have landing lights/wigwags in both wings, as well as nav/strobes in both wings. It also just seems easier to get it oriented to the Dynon if it is in the fuselage. Just my opinion...FWIW.. If anyone wants pictures of what I came up with, let me know and I will shoot some out to you. Again, it is just a modification of Dan's design. Hope this helps anyone. Comments and accusations welcome........ Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A finish kit Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us> Subject: RV-List: dynon magentometer > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us> > > Folks, re the list provided about magnetometer locations, I don't mean to > trash it, but I found that this thing is very sensitive to any steel or > current within 12". I had it located 10 inches away diagonally from the > aileron leading edge and it was all over the place, due to the steel pipe in > the aileron. > > > 1. In front of the horizontal stab, under the vertical stab. > > Fair, but you have the steel hardware for the vert and horizontal stab, as > well as elevator horns > > 2. On the rear of the baggage bulkhead, top and sides > > Poor, if steel or magnets are loaded into baggage area, and if slider > version then you have steel canopy frame. > > 3. Outboard in a wing bay > > Seems like best place, as long as no major current wires nearby and in > leading edge away from aileron. > > 4. Behind the pilot or copilots seat, mount to the horizontal crossbar > > Bad, flaps bar is steel, as well as flap motor, and baggage loading, see 2 > > 5. Under the baggage floor skins > > bad, same as 2 and 4 > > 6. Inside my wing fairing, I have P-40/Spitfire style fairings. > > bad, same as 2 and 4 > > 7. Inside the baggage compartment > > bad, same as 2 and 4, (I assume that you don't mean the forward one in an 8, > in which case if this location works then the internal unit should work.) > > 8. On the floorboards, just behind the pilot/copilot seats > > bad, same as 2 and 4 > > 9. On any fuselage bulkhead behind the baggage compartment > > Fair, but a bitch to get to, and very hard to get exactly oriented and get > it stiff enough to not vibrate. > > 10. Build a shelf somewhere behind the baggage compartment hang from top > skin, or mount to bottom skin. > > Same as 9 > > 11. Inside a wing tip. > > good as long as nothing else is in there > > As you can see this thing is not that easy to locate, particularly if you > have a bunch of stuff in your wingtips and leading edges. Then once you find > a spot getting it matched to the main unit and mounted securly isn't that > easy either. > > My notes on how I did it should be in the archives > > W > >


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    Time: 04:51:11 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
    Subject: Rocket
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net> Listers: This Sunday I was waiting around at Palomar-McClellan Airport at Carlsbad, California. The weather was 300 overcast and I was waiting around for the coastal layer to break up so I could return home. Instrument problems limited me to VFR. As soon as the tower started reporting 300 scattered a bunch of planes started taxiing out. I was after a Rocket and a C172. The actual weather was 300 broken to overcast on the west side of the airport and clear on the east side. The very sharp tower local controller was clearing people for early turns east. The Rocket didn't need no a'stinkn early turn. He launched and just shot up to clear the clouds within 1,500 to 2,000 feet off the departure end. The 172 didn't do well at all. He flew into the clouds because of a non-aggressive downwind turn. I might have had a chance to punch up if light, but with my sister and a bunch of traveling luggage on board I went for the early turn and was able to make it before the clouds. Why can't we all have four airplanes? A J-3, an RV, a Rocket and a Citation, as the situation dictates? Do not archive Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm


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    Time: 04:53:13 PM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com> I remember reading awhile back about a cowl oil door that hinged in. When stopped, it could be pushed down (open) to allow the hot air from the engine to escape. With the engine running, the air pressure held it closed. It must be in the archives somewhere. The only obvious problem I can think of would be rain while parked. The hinge would be inside. Terry


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    Time: 05:11:43 PM PST US
    From: <klwerner@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Rocket
    --> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net> Dear Larry, I think the main limiting factor to your very basic question is MONEY, but then I am not a 100% sure? Konrad DO NOT ARCHIVE Why can't we all have four airplanes? A J-3, an RV, a Rocket and a Citation, as the situation dictates? Do not archive Larry Pardue in Carlsbad, NM. ( . . . but rather somewhere else) RV-6 N441LP Flying http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm


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    Time: 05:49:52 PM PST US
    From: Lenleg@aol.com
    Subject: Aerobatic Stress
    --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com I am out on the road ...does anyone have the stress limits for the 8A ??? -- Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 145 hrs


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    Time: 07:13:42 PM PST US
    From: RGray67968@aol.com
    Subject: Re: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    at.a.big.ISP@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Hi Dan, I have a 'flush' mounted door on my Six. So, speaking from 'experience': with your current plan your door will NOT stay closed in flight on the hinged end (we'll forget about the latching mechanism for now since you didn't show one). The 'low pressure' air behind the air baffles WILL blow your door part way open and the 'hinge arms' will bend and scratch all your pretty new paint. The solution is to turn your hinges 90deg so the strength of the arm comes into play. Just use your 'arms' as templates and draw a new 'arm' on a piece of 060 (you want the door to stay closed...right?). Then you'll have to make little 032. angles to attach the arms to the door. I've got a few pics I can mail ya' if it will help. Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - took me a while to get my flush door working but I'd make another one in a heartbeat - no visible hinge or latch I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played around with on scrap: http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would not want to use it? Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com


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    Time: 07:13:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Hartzell Prop
    From: smoothweasel@juno.com.FORGED_JUNO_RCVD.'From'.juno.com.does.not.match.'Received'.headers
    (2.8 points) --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com FORGED_JUNO_RCVD (2.8 points) 'From' juno.com does not match 'Received' headers Does anyone out there know what the combination of stud,washer,nut and locking arrangement is used when mounting a Hartzell to a O-320 B3B? Also I have one aluminum 12 in. spinner and a 12 in. fiberglass spinner that I would like to sell/trade for a 13 in. Joel "Weasel" Graber RV-4 Finishing The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!


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    Time: 07:14:47 PM PST US
    From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Rocket
    at.a.big.ISP@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 09/22/2003 4:55:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, n5lp@carlsbad.net writes: Why can't we all have four airplanes? A J-3, an RV, a Rocket and a Citation, as the situation dictates? Do not archive Larry Pardue Hi All, After the rides I've had in a Rocket, why would you need the other three? I seem to recall seeing a normal speed control lever on the left with a normal BSR in the center. (BSR = Building Size Regulator) Do Not Archive Jim Ayers Flight tests completed on two Hartzell props and an MT 3 blade Propeller.


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    Time: 07:37:31 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
    Subject: OT: Virus/Worms
    --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> Anyone else on this list getting hit with hundreds of virus and worms? My Anti virus is about to be burn up it is working so hard. :( I am checking a couple times a day for virus's and don't seem to have any on my computer but it is really getting irritating. It is mostly crap that says it is updates from MS etc. I don't know how to stop them other than changing email address. I have scanned with both Norton and AVG and both say none on my system, All email I send out are checked for virus before being sent. Jerry do not archive


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    Time: 07:55:38 PM PST US
    From: WPAerial@aol.com
    Subject: need tip up canopy repair ideas
    --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com I have 170 hours on my RV6A. after coming back from Reno air race I found the canopy had separated at the leading edge from the fiberglass on my tip up. Any ideas how I should repair this? Jerry Wilken N699WP Albany Oregon 541-926-8316


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    Time: 07:57:43 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Aerobatic Stress
    LIMITED_TIME_ONLY --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > >I am out on the road ...does anyone have the stress limits for the 8A ??? > >-- >Len Leggette, RV-8A >Greensboro, NC N910LL >145 hrs > Len, Should be +6/-3 at no higher than max aerobatic gross weight....I think it's 1550 lbs, unless you have the slightly modified spar that Van's made well after my wing kit. Bumped it up 50 pounds maybe. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD


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    Time: 08:33:05 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
    Subject: Re: Rocket
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> > Jim Ayers > Flight tests completed on two Hartzell props and an MT 3 blade Propeller. And the results? Randy Lervold


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    Time: 08:50:06 PM PST US
    From: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
    Subject: Pneumatic cleco tool--Some of us gotta have it!
    --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com> So I put about 300 clecos in my HS, then drilled, pulling & moving clecos as I did so. Must have squeezed those things about 600 times. Next 3 days I couldn't use my thumbs; arthritis at the base of them flared up from repeatedly squeezing the cleco pliers. Turns out The Yard (yardtools.com) has a pneumatic cleco tool on sale for $25. Sold! This thing works great! Faster than the pliers & holds the cleco straight so it doesn't get cocked. Needs about 70 pounds of air; with less it doesn't fully compress the cleco. Dick Scott RV-9A, Emp.


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    Time: 09:14:48 PM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: invisible hinge on cowl oil door
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Hi Dan, I think you have the general shape of the hinge right, but I would make them just the opposite. Meaning, carve the hinges out of a solid piece of thick Aluminum, instead of bending a strap. The straps are somewhat prone to stretching, and I've seen a similar setup that had to be re-done because the straps just stretched. Think of the hinges on an old car glove box, or if you need a picture, the same style I used on my flush door glove box (http://www.steinair.com/N64YU.htm, and have seen on multiple oil doors. Built that way, they can't stretch out and let the door come loose. Just my 2 cents, not gospel. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis http://www.steinair.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: RV-List: invisible hinge on cowl oil door --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> I'm playing around with a design for the hinge on the oil door on the cowl that will make the hinge invisible. I'd like to get some feedback on it before I commit to it. Here are some photos of the design, which I played around with on scrap: http://www.rvproject.com/oildoordesign.html Do you see any potential snags with this design? Any reason why I would not want to use it? Or...are there any simpler tricks for making the hinge invisible? Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com


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    Time: 09:18:44 PM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: OT: Virus/Worms
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Jerry, You should feel flattered. The more of those MSFT messages you are getting, means more people have your email address in their address book!! Unfortuneatly it means that most of your "friends" that have your email address, are not so fluent about opening obvious virus emails. Once again, this "new" worm only spreads if ignorant people don't use anti-virus software, or open another infected attachment. If it's any consolation, I've been getting around 350 emails a day that Norton is deleting the attachment. Luckily I just setup a filter that sends them to "la la land" before I see them, so unless I check, I don't really see them. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer Subject: RV-List: OT: Virus/Worms --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> Anyone else on this list getting hit with hundreds of virus and worms? My Anti virus is about to be burn up it is working so hard. :( I am checking a couple times a day for virus's and don't seem to have any on my computer but it is really getting irritating. It is mostly crap that says it is updates from MS etc. I don't know how to stop them other than changing email address. I have scanned with both Norton and AVG and both say none on my system, All email I send out are checked for virus before being sent. Jerry do not archive


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    Time: 09:31:13 PM PST US
    Subject: New Builders Website
    From: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com> All, I recently finished the first draft of my website. If anyone has extra time and would like to check it out, I would appreciate any feedback. http://sky.prohosting.com/rv7a/ Thanks, Scott 7A Emp/Wings Do Not Archive Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!


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    Time: 11:08:42 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: Pneumatic cleco tool--Some of us gotta have it!
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net> Hi Dick, Early in the beginning stage of building my 6-A I encountered difficulties with the cleco pliers similar to what you describe, (very uncomfortable). I used some thick wall heat shrink on the handles of my cleco pliers and the problem went away. A side benefit was that the pliers are much less slippery in the hand (read less likely to be dropped). Also, with the improved grip in the hand, the clecos are easier to control therefore less fatiguing. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scott" <rscott@cascadeaccess.com> Subject: RV-List: Pneumatic cleco tool--Some of us gotta have it! > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com> > > So I put about 300 clecos in my HS, then drilled, pulling & moving clecos > as I did so. Must have squeezed those things about 600 times. Next 3 days > I couldn't use my thumbs; arthritis at the base of them flared up from > repeatedly squeezing the cleco pliers. > > Turns out The Yard (yardtools.com) has a pneumatic cleco tool on sale for > $25. Sold! > > This thing works great! Faster than the pliers & holds the cleco straight > so it doesn't get cocked. > > Needs about 70 pounds of air; with less it doesn't fully compress the cleco. > > Dick Scott > RV-9A, Emp. > >




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