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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Mixture Cable/Attachment... (Jerry Calvert)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: My dead stick (Ed Anderson)
3. 06:35 AM - G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Ken Simmons)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: Another completed RV-6 (Richard Dudley)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: New rudder (DAVID REEL)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Jim Sears offensive comments on RV frame of mind (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Greg Young)
8. 09:08 AM - Re: New rudder (flmike)
9. 10:09 AM - Re: Dynon report (Lockamy, Jack L)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: New rudder (Jeff Point)
11. 10:45 AM - Re: My dead stick (Charles Rowbotham)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: New rudder (Stein Bruch)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: New rudder (Chris W)
14. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: New rudder (Darwin N. Barrie)
15. 10:59 AM - Re: Dynon report (Larry Bowen)
16. 11:39 AM - Rudder (Wheeler North)
17. 12:35 PM - Altrak (Wheeler North)
18. 01:22 PM - Parts for sale (Ed Perry)
19. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: New rudder (Stein Bruch)
20. 01:33 PM - Re: Altrak (Andrew Barker)
21. 02:55 PM - Re: Dynon report (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
22. 04:41 PM - Re: Dynon report (C. Rabaut)
23. 05:33 PM - Re:Question on PC (bert murillo)
24. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: New rudder (Jerry Springer)
25. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: New rudder (Jerry Springer)
26. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: New rudder (Jerry Springer)
27. 05:48 PM - Re: Seat fabric considerations (bert murillo)
28. 05:49 PM - WANTED: Rudder-/Brake Pedals ()
29. 05:55 PM - Re: fabric type seats (bert murillo)
30. 05:58 PM - Re: Rudder (Jerry Springer)
31. 06:06 PM - aligment of fairings (bert murillo)
32. 06:09 PM - oil door hinge (bert murillo)
33. 06:11 PM - Re: Jim Sears offensive comments on RV frame of mind (Ross Scroggs)
34. 06:11 PM - Wither Dan? (Patrick Kelley)
35. 07:31 PM - Re: Wither Dan? (David Burton)
36. 07:34 PM - RV Customer Number at Van's (Lyle Peterson)
37. 08:39 PM - Re: RV Customer Number at Van's (N223RV@aol.com)
38. 11:43 PM - ? is the main Def. on the vr-7 & vr-9 (carlos noto)
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture Cable/Attachment... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
I also used brass tubing. Use a short piece of 1/4" OD piece which has a
7/32" ID. This piece fits the hole in the arm. Insert a short piece of
7/32" OD piece which has a 3/16" ID which is the size of an AN3 bolt. You
end up with one tube inserted in the other and the bolt through the inner
tubing. The brass comes in one foot lengths at hobby shops and hardware
stores...enough for about 30 RV's!
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC res
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mixture Cable/Attachment...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Kurt,
>
> Some thin wall brass tubing from a hobby shop should keep the #3 bolt on
> center while being tightened. Once tight the bearing center race is
clamped
> in place so bolt centering is all that is required if at all.
>
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RV6AOKC@aol.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Mixture Cable/Attachment...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
> >
> > Another question for the masses....=) In attaching the Mixture cable
the
> > rod end bearing has a hole for a #3 bolt and mixture arm on carb sized
for
> #4.
> > The instructions say simply to use a bushing. I cant find any material
> to
> > make a bushing due to the small difference in size between the two. I
> also
> > looked at just using a #4 bolt/washers, but couldn't find a rod end
> bearing in a
> > #4 size. Please enlighten me if you have the time...thanks
> again!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Kurt in OKC
> > Finishing RV6A.....
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My dead stick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Great Job! Mike
You have shown again that "preplanning" or thinking out your responses
ahead can save valuable time during an emergency situtation. Clearly the
closer to terra firma you are the more valuable each second is. My RV
glider experience lasted 12 miles and 8 1/2 minutes as I was fortunately at
9500 MSL when the fan stopped. Hit the GPS "nrt" button, picked the closest
airport and turned to it before spending more time trying to figure out
"what was wrong".
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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| Subject: | G meter and turn coordinator(long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Is anyone familiar with the DA-55 digital G meter available from Aircraft Spruce? Here's a link to the website http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/accelerometers.php. Google didn't seem to have anything for a website for the manufacturer. I'm considering building a digital G meter of some sort, but if I can buy one with all the features I want, I would rather pound rivets.
Also, what's the impression of the built in "turn coordinator" features of some
of the devices like Navaid autopilot, EZ Pilot autopilot, and the Dynon D-10.
It doesn't appear to be as intuitive as the standard turn coordinator. Do you
eventually get used to it? Is it to much of a trade off to get the no-moving-parts-reliability?
I also think a turn coordinator could be built with the semiconductor accelerometers/gyros,
but what's the point if there is already an instrument out there
that works. I can't think of a way to digitally represent the look of a mechanical
turn coordinator short of somthing similar to the digital EFIS'. In that
case it would be more efficient to get an EFIS.
I would prefer individual instruments because I personally think there is just
too much information packed into the available space on the current EFIS'. This
seems to be confirmed somewhat by a couple of recent posts. I'm also not planning
on IFR so I don't need all the insturments packed into the EFIS.
Thanks.
Ken
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Another completed RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulation David!!!
Richard Dudley
DAVID DAVENPORT wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID DAVENPORT" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
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> Kit # 23811 flew for the first time on Thursday, October 2. For those of
> you keeping up with serial #'s, yes, this is an older slow-build from
> back in the days when you had to drill everything. These newer guys
> don't know what they are missing. The plane has an O-320 w/ a Sensenich
> prop, full IFR panel w/ autopilot. Everything looks like it is pretty
> straight forward from the first two or three flights. I'll get this test
> period knocked out and see you guys at Lakeland in April.
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> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kit # 23811 flew for the first time on
> Thursday,
> October 2. For those of you keeping up with serial #'s, yes, this is an
> older
> slow-build from back in the days when you had to drill everything. These
> newer
> guys don't know what they are missing. The plane has an O-320 w/ a
> Sensenich
> prop, full IFR panel w/ autopilot. Everything looks like it is pretty
> straight
> forward from the first two or three flights. I'll get this test period
> knocked
> out and see you guys at Lakeland in April.</FONT></DIV>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
For those who don't want to change rudder designs, my local EAA chapter,
Ch186 at Manassas VA, has a partially completed RV6 rudder that I'm sure
it could easily be persuaded to part with.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>For those who don't want to change
rudder designs,
my local EAA chapter, Ch186 at Manassas VA, has a partially
completed RV6
rudder that I'm sure it could easily be persuaded to part
with.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Dave Reel -
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Sears offensive comments on RV frame of mind |
10/06/2003 08:32:03 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
Hello all:
Okay. Read what I am saying to you carefully. The
comment made about A&P built aircraft have nothing to do with the service,
price gouging, or a mechanic not knowing your certified aircraft. I
personally have read all your comments and I place you the pilot owner at
fault for not doing your homework and research or asking the A&P if he has
product knowledge on your particular aircraft. You see as owner pilots it
is very easy to pass blame on an unsuspecting mechanic because he or she
bent your aircraft. It is easy to place blame on the A&P because that is
the way it is. The nature of the beast so to speak. You as the owner
operator can't take responsibility for finding a proper maintenance
facility, no the A&P is always to blame, hell I own an airplane and am God
I cant be wrong. You see the attitude is always the same. I on the other
hand have had enough of the A&P bashing. My testimony to you guys on this
list is simply as I stated before. Come see my work point out to me the
defects let me fix them and let me earn your respect as you earn mine.
Never take for granted that an A&P has "product" knowledge. ask the
questions and if you are not comfortable go somewhere else or pay someone
you are comfortable with to come fix your airplane. You see there in lies
the root of the problem MONEY ahh the magical word. In my experience in
G.A. that is the most potent word there is. MONEY you see in all your
comments to me and my own experience I have always wondered why you guys
who own spam cans hardly ever or never go the the factory authorized
service center. It seems your attitude is, I can go to joe schmuck the rag
bag man and get the same job done for a whole lot cheaper. Is that not a
gamble? When you roll the dice that way and the A&P does the job right you
never complain or praise him for a job well done on the other hand if he
misses something or breaks something while repairing your aircraft you are
real quick to point out what the mistake is and think or say, He did me
wrong man, I only wanted to pay 20 instead of 60 dollars an hour. Guess
what you got what you paid for. Now grin and bear it. I could go on and on
with the arguments you have and the responses to thos arguments. What does
it solve? nothing because most pilots are ego manicas me included and that
is out nature to never be wrong. Okay enough said about the ramblings of
who did who wrong. Now lets get back to the subject that brought us all
this mess.
1. I personally feel better knowing an A&P built an aircraft. after all
that is his business and what he has been trained to do.
2. You have the right to agree or disagree. (I dont care which)
3. If you are going to buy a kit that has been built by a pilot who do you
want to look at the aircraft for a prepurchase inspection?
4. if a kit is advertised as A&P built is the A&P sign off in the log book
or is it just a sales tactic?
5. do your homework and make an educated decision based on that homework.
6. although I take pride in my work as an A&P and am glad to have that
certificate dont take my word for anything other than my experience
7. look, touch, feel, take pictures, have someone else give you an opinion
if that someone is knowledgeable.
Glenn
do not archive
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| Subject: | G meter and turn coordinator(long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Ken, I had the DA-55 in the Phoenix. It's a nice instrument and has all the
features they say - even has a secret code to keep others from erasing the
recordings. With what limited flight time I had on it I liked it and will
reinstall it. Mine says it was made by EZE Instruments but I couldn't find a
site either. Why not shoot ACS a note and ask for more info? An example of
pretty poor marketing by the mfgr. I can scan the manual if you want to get
to that depth.
As to the TC, you need to decide why you want it since you're not IFR. If
you want it to save your ass if you do something stupid then it better work
and you better be able to use it without getting used to it first. My
original was VFR w/o gyros except for the Navaid which was my backup if I
got stupid. I'm now IFR and the Phoenix will be too. BTW, Navaid uses a
mechanical gyro but has a digital display. Trutrak is solid state as are all
the EFIS. Decide on your mission then pick the equipment.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> Is anyone familiar with the DA-55 digital G meter available
> from Aircraft Spruce? Here's a link to the website
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/accelerometers.p
> hp. Google didn't seem to have anything for a website for the
> manufacturer. I'm considering building a digital G meter of
> some sort, but if I can buy one with all the features I want,
> I would rather pound rivets.
>
> Also, what's the impression of the built in "turn
> coordinator" features of some of the devices like Navaid
> autopilot, EZ Pilot autopilot, and the Dynon D-10. It doesn't
> appear to be as intuitive as the standard turn coordinator.
> Do you eventually get used to it? Is it to much of a trade
> off to get the no-moving-parts-reliability?
>
> I also think a turn coordinator could be built with the
> semiconductor accelerometers/gyros, but what's the point if
> there is already an instrument out there that works. I can't
> think of a way to digitally represent the look of a
> mechanical turn coordinator short of somthing similar to the
> digital EFIS'. In that case it would be more efficient to get an EFIS.
>
> I would prefer individual instruments because I personally
> think there is just too much information packed into the
> available space on the current EFIS'. This seems to be
> confirmed somewhat by a couple of recent posts. I'm also not
> planning on IFR so I don't need all the insturments packed
> into the EFIS.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ken
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
Just out of curiosity, why the -9 rudder / stab and
not the -7?
Mike
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Mike (and others),
I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy
of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the External Magnometer. The engineer
I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees is the BEST accuracy they were aware of
with the Internal Compass and the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees.
Of course his comments were prefaced with "each panel/installation will
vary somewhat depending on what else is the panel which may cause some
interference".
How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal Compass is -vs- the External?
Thanks for your time and your report.
Jack Lockamy
RV-7A QB
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<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Mike (and others),</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this
AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the
External Magnometer. The engineer I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees
is the BEST accuracy they were aware of with the Internal Compass and
the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees. Of course his comments
were prefaced with "each panel/installation will vary somewhat
depending on what else is the panel which may cause some
interference".</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal
Compass is -vs- the External?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Thanks for your time and your
report.</FONT>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: New rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
They are now the same thing.
See: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf
Jeff Point
RV-6 panel, wiring
Milwaukee, WI
flmike wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
>
>Just out of curiosity, why the -9 rudder / stab and
>not the -7?
>
>Mike
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My dead stick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Mike,
Congratulations on a good save.
Say hello to Nomad.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A (Blue Angles)
>From: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: My dead stick
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:14:39 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
>Well since the cat is out of the bag, and my e-mail is getting full with
>all
>the inquiry's, I have attached our flight debrief from the airshow at SERFI
>yesterday for you to read the events. At the end, Ill follow up with some
>notes based on the questions I have been getting.
>========
>7 ship taxi and takeoff went real well. Our hold outside the box was
>a bit long for the show delay, but the only issue I was concerned
>about was Nomad making his Delta departure on-time. We watched the
>video of the flight extensively last night and surprisingly, the
>flight looked real good. We all felt it is a bit ragged as pilots,
>but the video proved otherwise. Transitions were smooth, and the
>runs to show center were quite good. Then.. at about 400' agl ...
>Well, my little engine problem and pitch straight up and out of the
>flight. I was very impressed with my instant decision to pull out of
>the flight without anyone in the flight knowing there was a problem.
>It was nice to see that our training kicked in instantly and the
>flight only knew that I was gone with "1's out".
>
>In summary:
>I had about 2 seconds of an alarm beeping at me. I looked at the
>instrument and a big fat Zero blinking on the fuel pressure. As I
>stared at it confirming I was seeing what I was seeing, I had one
>cough from the engine and I made an imediate decision to pull out
>and called "1's out". I made a 6 G pull, 130 deg. bank left for a
>look see at the runway and called "1's engine out, got the field
>made, Nomad you have the flight"(as briefed). Now I did not intend
>to pull that hard, but the 50lbs of smoke oil made made me more tail
>heavy than I considered at that moment, and I had only ONE concern
>at that moment... Get my ass out from this flight so I don't have a
>bunch of planes running into me. Airboss keyed up and said "1's
>cleared to land." I remember thinking. "Well thats good. Cause Im
>landing on that runway right there." I layed in the hardest slip I
>could and again keyed up, "I have the field, Jim you have the
>flight" Made a nice landing, and rolled off the runway into the
>grass while the rest of the flight regrouped and continued on
>without me, just as briefed. I got my engine started and taxied
>back. Turns out I had a failure in my mechanical fuel pump and had
>the breaker pulled for the electric fuel pump(for other reasons too
>complicated to explain here).
>
>Incredible job team for getting it together and pressing on. Our
>show was cut short, we had only completed about 1/2 of it, but it
>could not had gone ANY better than it did based on the
>circumstances. It is a testimate to our trainers (Stu, Subie, Nomad
>et al.), and the teams focus and attention to detail. The wingmen
>kept their position and the flight did not fall apart. Its
>incredible really when you think about it. Most of the on-lookers
>did not even know there was a problem. Thank goodness for all you
>military guys that have passed on your experiences to us civillian
>types. It saved my butt yesterday, and the others in the flight.
>
>Next show is columbia.
>See you there.
>Mike
>==========
>Question? What about the electric pump? Well I had just completed a major
>panel change over and had not tested the elec. pump circuit. I left the
>breaker pulled before leaving home base that morning. I knew it worked, I
>had turned it on after the panel change, I had not changed anything in that
>circuit, but just as a matter of my own procedure, I dont turn anything on
>until I test the circuit(wire chase, current draw, etc.) on a major change
>like a panel overhaul. I pulled the breaker as a reminder to do it. It was
>a
>mistake for not following up on it sooner. It would not have changed the
>circumstances of the pitchout from the flight, but the engine would have
>fired back up and I could have put down with my prop making power.
>Question? Mike dont you fly with your pump on? Not as a matter of course.
>Usually only for acro, take-off and landing. But not that day. We discussed
>it during the debrief. Some do and some dont. Hind sight, well yes my elec
>fuel pump on would have cured that problem. But we all agreed that a pump
>failure like the is so rare, that is is Monday night quarterbacking to now
>have all pumps on. We have many more, much higher risk items to deal with
>when show flying like that and this one is extremely rare that to burden
>all
>with one more mental item to do would be detrimental. You want the flight
>members to have their mind one a small finite amount of items. You don't
>want to add rules for extremely rare items. For example. A tire failure in
>a
>formation takeoff is a much higher risk item, well somewhat in terms of the
>way we take off we try and take it into account, Do we address it really?
>No, we take the risk. I know your thinking just put the pump on whats the
>big deal. Well i probably will now. But it will not be a flight brief item.
>This needs more discussion between us. Much debate here to be had. And I am
>sure many will chime in about having the pump on when at low altitude. Ill
>probably have my pump running at low altitude next time when my battery
>fails on my dual elec ign.. Its hard to manage all the risks. Clearly I
>should have had that breaker in and it was a lapse on my part to not have
>done so.
>Mike how did you have the presense of mind to talk to the flight whilst
>your
>engine was out? Well quite frankly, once I pitched up and rolled and saw
>the
>runway, my only concern then was my buddies I left behind. I have seen
>formations go to hell from little items. I could not see them as they were
>going away from the airport. I was of course heading toward it. They were
>not talking as they were busy reconfiguring as briefed. Naturally they were
>also worried about me too so they were pretty quiet. We owned the freq..
>But
>all I could think about once I saw the runway was the 6 ships I left
>behind.
>"Were they OK, did I pull hard enough? Was what I was thinking" In the end
>I
>had nothing to worry about. They were making power and were in good hands
>with Nomad (Jim Lawrence.. Lifetime military fighter pilot, formation
>flight
>lead and check pilot, Delta captain, good man, great stick, and so
>forth...)
>
>Mike why the pitch up so hard? The biggest danger of all is not pulling out
>in an engine failure. Although all flight members fly in a stacked down
>position, the clearance is minimal (2-4 feet Leader prop to vert fin for
>the
>guy in the slot for example) and it would not be pretty to the planes
>behind
>me to have a prop not making power while i continue straight and level.
>They
>would try by habit to match my speed and well, it would get ugly very very
>quickly. As part of our training, the only thing to do, and I mean RIGHT
>NOW, is to pull out. The danger in a pull out like that is that the flight
>follows you. Thats why the pull out must be abrupt and RIGHT NOW! you don't
>want any flight member to have the chance to follow you. 6 g's? No it did
>not have to be that hard, but I pulled to get the hell out, it just ended
>up
>the six is where the needle stopped. Speed at the time was 135kts. Next
>time
>I'll try and only pull 4.7:)
>Mike you guys briefed a lost leader? Yes. And I am glad we did. It is
>common
>enough for leader to have a problem that the flight needs to be taken
>control of imediately to maintain flight dicipline and flight safety. We
>don't necessairly brief a lost lead for every flight, but we do when we are
>show flying, doing low altitude maneuvering.
>Is there anytime during the flight where you would not be able to make the
>field? In theory no. We are never low and slow. Low and fast or high and
>slow yes. We get pretty slow at the top of our lazy eights during formation
>changes. But we work the routine so that at anytime, the field can be had.
>This was my first uncommanded engine out, but not my first dead stick
>landing. I have practiced several engine outs over big airports and landed
>engine out. I wanted to know exactly what my plane felt like when the
>engine
>was not making power so I have practiced it a few times. There is no
>question that my practice did help my calmness during this emergency. You
>glider guys know what I'm talking about.
>
>OK thats it. Let the discussions begin. Ill try and answer other questions
>as they come if they are addressed my way. This incident has changed me.
>There is no question about that. I am going through a strange mental period
>right now. I am sure there is a psyco babble name for the stage I am in.
>The
>event was actually no problem. The after event mentally has been
>challenging. I am so thankful for my mentors who instilled a few key items
>in me. I have learned some things.
>Regards,
>Mike Stewart
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
They are the same.....it's what Van's ships for the -7's now.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flmike
Subject: RV-List: RE: New rudder
--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
Just out of curiosity, why the -9 rudder / stab and
not the -7?
Mike
__________________________________
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Jeff Point wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> They are now the same thing.
>
> See: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf
>
That says the "Rudder" on the 7 and 9 are now the same. But I thought I heard
somewhere that the VS on the 7 was from the 8 not the 9.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
The rudder is the same now but the stabs are still unique to the dash
number. The -9 is a constant chord stab.
And, interestingly Van's did not put the new rudder on their demonstrator.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: New rudder
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> They are now the same thing.
>
> See: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6 panel, wiring
> Milwaukee, WI
>
> flmike wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Just out of curiosity, why the -9 rudder / stab and
> >not the -7?
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >__________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
My Dynon's internal compass is off by 45'. The external improves to 20'
error. That's out of the box with no calibration. Maybe calibration
will improve it....I hope.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lockamy, Jack L [mailto:jack.lockamy@navy.mil]
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:05 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon report
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L"
> <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
>
>
> Mike (and others),
>
> I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this AM about the
> accuracy/inaccuracy of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the
> External Magnometer. The engineer I spoke with said +/- 10
> degrees is the BEST accuracy they were aware of with the
> Internal Compass and the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees.
> Of course his comments were prefaced with "each
> panel/installation will vary somewhat depending on what else
> is the panel which may cause some interference".
>
> How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal Compass is -vs- the External?
>
> Thanks for your time and your report.
>
> Jack Lockamy
> RV-7A QB
>
>
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> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Mike (and others),</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">I spoke with an engineer at Dynon
> this AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy of the EFIS-D10
> Internal Mag -vs- the External Magnometer. The engineer
> I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees is the BEST accuracy they
> were aware of with the Internal Compass and the External was
> good to +/- 3-5 degrees. Of course his comments were
> prefaced with "each panel/installation will vary
> somewhat depending on what else is the panel which may cause
> some interference".</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">How accurate do you fee YOUR
> Internal Compass is -vs- the External?</FONT> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Thanks for your time and your
> report.</FONT> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Jack Lockamy</FONT>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Jerry,
I have to fess up and say that I was at the home group flyin, although my
landing probably sucked I don't have any recollection of running into
anything, much less an airplane. I am also greatly dismayed that someone
would do this and not say something. That's tanamount to an act of
terrorism, and as such, I will be happy to give them their last ride.
Actually I had no idea the event was happening, I was on my way to AWO and
had to pee. Scapoose tends to have great fuel prices so it seemed like a win
win. On short final it occured to me that there were an extrodinarily large
number of RV's in the air and on the ground. ;{)
I would love to know if this mod made any significant change in airspeeds,
and what did you have to do to get the gap fairing to fit the new stab?
Given my aversion to plastic, that seems like the worst part of the job.
I would also love to know what the approximate costs were, and did you keep
a copy of the parts list you used to order from.
thanks for the updates
W
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
I would like to take this moment to chew out Sam B. for making me really
want to install the Altrak. Like I have an unlimited supply of money and
panel space to keep stuffing crap in there, ;{)
but lo and behold I do have to agree I have hit a cloud or two while playing
with charts and things. As a matter of fact I am still taking grief for this
when a fairly vocal buddy was trying to follow me to OSH.
But my quandry is that there seem to be two prices out there for this unit,
1495 and 1695. The trim sensing version seems to be 1995 and I have no idea
why this is worth it? My RV doesn't seem to need any significant changes in
pitch trim during level flight.
The only local one I found at the lower level is spruce and they won't sell
it without installing it, which is a major nojoy on my airplane. Does
anybody know of a source for this that would benefit one of us and possibly
be the lower cost with a self install option?
thx
w
reply offlist if you can as I won't see it until tomorrow otherwise
wnorth@sdccd.net
do not archive
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<rv8-list@matronics.com>, <socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
Potter Brumfield Circuit Breakers:
W58 1X10amp $5.25@
W58 2X15amp $5.25@
Potter Brumfield Pull Breakers:
W23 4X 1amp $11.00@
W23 1X 5amp $ 6.00@
W23 3X50amp $ 6.00@
Van's Plastic 2" eyeball vents (2) $10.00@
Vans Brake Fluid Reservoir (1) $10.00
UMA Dual diaphragm MP gauge
Brand New Part #7-200-35 $80.00
Used Beechcraft Volts/Load meter $10.00
NOS Control stick grip. Military, looks like P51 grip.
PTT switch not installed. $8.00
Any questions feel free to email and pictures are available on request.
All prices plus shipping...
Ed Perry
eperry@san.rr.com
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Brumfield
Circuit Breakers:</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5>W58<SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1X10amp $5.25@</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
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style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>2X15amp $5.25@</FONT></P>
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<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>Potter
Brumfield
Pull Breakers:</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5>W23<SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>4X 1amp $11.00@</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5>W23<SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1X 5amp $<SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>6.00@</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5>W23<SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>3X50amp $ 6.00@</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5>Van=92s Plastic 2=94
eyeball vents (2) $10.00@</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>Vans
Brake Fluid
Reservoir<SPAN style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN> (1) $10.00</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>UMA
Dual diaphragm
MP gauge</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5><SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Brand New<SPAN
style"mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Part
#7-200-35 $80.00</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>Used
Beechcraft
Volts/Load meter $10.00</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>NOS
Control stick
grip. Military, looks like P51 grip.</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>PTT
switch not
installed. $8.00</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>Any
questions feel
free to email and pictures are available on request.</FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size5> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>All
prices plus
shipping=85..</FONT></P>
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<P classMsoNormal style"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size5>Ed
Perry</FONT></P>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
It was....but isn't any longer. The rudder from the -9 is NOT
interchangeable with the vert stab on the -8.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: New rudder
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Jeff Point wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> They are now the same thing.
>
> See: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf
>
That says the "Rudder" on the 7 and 9 are now the same. But I thought I
heard
somewhere that the VS on the 7 was from the 8 not the 9.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com>
Van's usually has the best price available on most of our systems. The
Altrak is priced at $1695 for the standard version and $1945 for the Altrak
TS or trim sensing. The trim sensing is NOT required, especially for RVs,
which require little or no trim change during cross country flight. One
reason some decide to purchase the TS, is if you ever want to upgrade to one
of our higher end systems that require a trim sensing servo for example the
new Digiflight IIVS.
Andrew Barker
TruTrak Flight Systems
479-751-0250
www.trutrakap.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: RV-List: Altrak
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> I would like to take this moment to chew out Sam B. for making me really
> want to install the Altrak. Like I have an unlimited supply of money and
> panel space to keep stuffing crap in there, ;{)
>
> but lo and behold I do have to agree I have hit a cloud or two while
playing
> with charts and things. As a matter of fact I am still taking grief for
this
> when a fairly vocal buddy was trying to follow me to OSH.
>
> But my quandry is that there seem to be two prices out there for this
unit,
> 1495 and 1695. The trim sensing version seems to be 1995 and I have no
idea
> why this is worth it? My RV doesn't seem to need any significant changes
in
> pitch trim during level flight.
>
> The only local one I found at the lower level is spruce and they won't
sell
> it without installing it, which is a major nojoy on my airplane. Does
> anybody know of a source for this that would benefit one of us and
possibly
> be the lower cost with a self install option?
>
> thx
> w
> reply offlist if you can as I won't see it until tomorrow otherwise
> wnorth@sdccd.net
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Mine was +-7 after calibtation on internal.
+-2 on external.
Mike
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Lockamy, Jack L
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon report
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Mike (and others),
I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy
of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the External Magnometer. The engineer
I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees is the BEST accuracy they were aware of
with the Internal Compass and the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees.
Of course his comments were prefaced with "each panel/installation will
vary somewhat depending on what else is the panel which may cause some
interference".
How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal Compass is -vs- the External?
Thanks for your time and your report.
Jack Lockamy
RV-7A QB
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</P>
<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this
AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the
External Magnometer. The engineer I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees
is the BEST accuracy they were aware of with the Internal Compass and
the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees. Of course his comments
were prefaced with "each panel/installation will vary somewhat
depending on what else is the panel which may cause some
interference".</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal
Compass is -vs- the External?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Thanks for your time and your
report.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Jack Lockamy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">RV-7A QB</FONT>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Mike,
I think I need to borrow your calibtator... but only when you're done
with it of course!
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <mstewart@qa.butler.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon report
> --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> Mine was +-7 after calibtation on internal.
> +-2 on external.
>
> Mike
> do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lockamy, Jack L
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon report
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
>
>
> Mike (and others),
>
> I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy
> of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the External Magnometer. The engineer
> I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees is the BEST accuracy they were aware of
> with the Internal Compass and the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees.
> Of course his comments were prefaced with "each panel/installation will
> vary somewhat depending on what else is the panel which may cause some
> interference".
>
> How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal Compass is -vs- the External?
>
> Thanks for your time and your report.
>
> Jack Lockamy
> RV-7A QB
>
>
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> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Mike (and others),</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">I spoke with an engineer at Dynon this
> AM about the accuracy/inaccuracy of the EFIS-D10 Internal Mag -vs- the
> External Magnometer. The engineer I spoke with said +/- 10 degrees
> is the BEST accuracy they were aware of with the Internal Compass and
> the External was good to +/- 3-5 degrees. Of course his comments
> were prefaced with "each panel/installation will vary somewhat
> depending on what else is the panel which may cause some
> interference".</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">How accurate do you fee YOUR Internal
> Compass is -vs- the External?</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Thanks for your time and your
> report.</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Jack Lockamy</FONT>
>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2 FACE"Arial">RV-7A QB</FONT>
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
jIM:
THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION I WILL HAVE TO DO THAT.
BERT
RV6A
FAIRINGS...
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| Subject: | Re: RE: New rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Having just gone through this, here is what I found. The vertical stab
is the same for the -7, -8, -9. they are built
using the same drawings. I believe the difference of the -8 as opposed
to the -7 and -9 is the vertical stab
fiberglass tip is different. The rudders for the -7 and -9 are identical
the -8 is not quite as tall.
Jerry
Stein Bruch wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>It was....but isn't any longer. The rudder from the -9 is NOT
>interchangeable with the vert stab on the -8.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: New rudder
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
>Jeff Point wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>>
>>They are now the same thing.
>>
>>See: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>
>That says the "Rudder" on the 7 and 9 are now the same. But I thought I
>heard
>somewhere that the VS on the 7 was from the 8 not the 9.
>
>
>--
>Chris Woodhouse
>3147 SW 127th St.
>Oklahoma City, OK 73170
>405-691-5206
>chrisw@programmer.net
>N35 20.492'
>W97 34.342'
>
>"They that can give up essential liberty
>to obtain a little temporary safety
>deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: New rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Hi Mike,
As has been said already they are the same unless you get an early model
-7 rudder which is the one piece
rudder skin and is a bit smaller.
Jerry
flmike wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
>
>Just out of curiosity, why the -9 rudder / stab and
>not the -7?
>
>Mike
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: New rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Yes the -9 horizontal is constant chord but not the vertical, which is
what I built.
Jerry
Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
>The rudder is the same now but the stabs are still unique to the dash
>number. The -9 is a constant chord stab.
>
>And, interestingly Van's did not put the new rudder on their demonstrator.
>
>Darwin N. Barrie
>Chandler AZ
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: New rudder
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>>
>>They are now the same thing.
>>
>>See: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf
>>
>>Jeff Point
>>RV-6 panel, wiring
>>Milwaukee, WI
>>
>>flmike wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Just out of curiosity, why the -9 rudder / stab and
>>>not the -7?
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>__________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat fabric considerations |
--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
JERRY:
AGREED WITH YOUR COMMENTS, WISE ONE. BUT WHAT IS THE
ANSWER....WHAT IS THE TYPE OF MATERIAL MOST USED ON
OUR RV'S...DO YOU KNOW? WHEN I ASKE AROUND HERE, NO
BODY KNOWS WHAT KIND THEY SEATING ON......THEY SAY
THEY LOOK GOOD, AND FEEL COMFORTABLE...
THAT IS ALL ?
JUST CURIOUS,,,,OTHER WISE, I WILL BE PART OF
THE GROUP, LET THE GUYS AT THE SHOP COMPLETE THE SEATS
PERIOD....
BERT
RV6A
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| Subject: | WANTED: Rudder-/Brake Pedals |
--> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
This pertains mainly to early -6(a) builders:
Our local EAA Chapter is in need of some parts of the older style
(*FLOOR*-mounted) Rudder/Brake Pedals for our Chapter Project.
So, if you have already-, or are considering converting to the overhead
style rudder bars, we sure could use your old equipment, instead of it
going to the scrap pile.
Please email me directly at klwerner@comcast.net if you have some of
the parts left over, that we could use very wisely.
DO NOT ARCHIVE to preserve valuable bandwith.
Thank you all,
Konrad
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<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>This pertains mainly to early
-6(a)
builders:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>Our local EAA Chapter is in need
of some parts of the older style
(*FLOOR*-mounted) Rudder/Brake
Pedals for our Chapter Project.</FONT><FONT faceArial
color#000080>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>So, if you have already-, or are
considering
converting to the overhead style rudder bars, we sure could use your old
equipment, instead of it going to the scrap pile. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>Please email me directly
at <FONT
faceArial color#000080><A
href"mailto:klwerner@comcast.net">klwerner@comcast.net</A></FONT> =
; if
you have some of the parts left over, that we could use very
wisely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>DO NOT ARCHIVE to
preserve
valuable bandwith. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>Thank you all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial color#000080>Konrad</FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: fabric type seats |
--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION
BERT RV6A
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Wheeler North wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
>Jerry,
>
>I have to fess up and say that I was at the home group flyin, although my
>landing probably sucked I don't have any recollection of running into
>anything, much less an airplane. I am also greatly dismayed that someone
>would do this and not say something. That's tanamount to an act of
>terrorism, and as such, I will be happy to give them their last ride.
>
>Actually I had no idea the event was happening, I was on my way to AWO and
>had to pee. Scapoose tends to have great fuel prices so it seemed like a win
>win. On short final it occured to me that there were an extrodinarily large
>number of RV's in the air and on the ground. ;{)
>
>I would love to know if this mod made any significant change in airspeeds,
>and what did you have to do to get the gap fairing to fit the new stab?
>Given my aversion to plastic, that seems like the worst part of the job.
>
>I would also love to know what the approximate costs were, and did you keep
>a copy of the parts list you used to order from.
>
>thanks for the updates
>
>W
>
>
>
>
Actually the fairing fit better than I thought it would. I well have to modify
where it lays against the vertical stab a little to get a better fit, but for testing
I have just taped it for now. I well have to fly some more to get a better idea
of
performance because I took the wheel pants off to work on them during this same
time.
I do have a copy of the parts list maybe I well try to post it to a web site.
I really can't say about price because Van did give me reduced price on parts.
I was only at the fly-in for 2-3 hours on Sat., sorry did not get to say hello.
Jerry
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| Subject: | aligment of fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
ready to install the legs' fairings...on rv6a
any ideas to make job easier, that the two listed
on the manual?
bert
rv6a
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
hello:
I would like to see, any photos or diagrams of the
installation for the oil inspection door..
I want to do the flush type, how to fill the bottom
or rather underneath door for the latch to be set?
riveted, have not started yet...
bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Sears offensive comments on RV frame of mind |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs@comcast.net>
Well said, Glenn. I know what you mean. We have been trained to adhere to
the FAR's on
standard certified aircraft. No where does it say that we are experts on
any aircraft or perfect
craftsman, but most do try.
Ross Scroggs, A&P
Conyers, GA.
RV-4-wings
----- Original Message -----
From: <glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Jim Sears offensive comments on RV frame of mind
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> Hello all:
> Okay. Read what I am saying to you carefully. The
> comment made about A&P built aircraft have nothing to do with the service,
> price gouging, or a mechanic not knowing your certified aircraft. I
> personally have read all your comments and I place you the pilot owner at
> fault for not doing your homework and research or asking the A&P if he has
> product knowledge on your particular aircraft. You see as owner pilots it
> is very easy to pass blame on an unsuspecting mechanic because he or she
> bent your aircraft. It is easy to place blame on the A&P because that is
> the way it is. The nature of the beast so to speak. You as the owner
> operator can't take responsibility for finding a proper maintenance
> facility, no the A&P is always to blame, hell I own an airplane and am God
> I cant be wrong. You see the attitude is always the same. I on the other
> hand have had enough of the A&P bashing. My testimony to you guys on this
> list is simply as I stated before. Come see my work point out to me the
> defects let me fix them and let me earn your respect as you earn mine.
> Never take for granted that an A&P has "product" knowledge. ask the
> questions and if you are not comfortable go somewhere else or pay someone
> you are comfortable with to come fix your airplane. You see there in lies
> the root of the problem MONEY ahh the magical word. In my experience in
> G.A. that is the most potent word there is. MONEY you see in all your
> comments to me and my own experience I have always wondered why you guys
> who own spam cans hardly ever or never go the the factory authorized
> service center. It seems your attitude is, I can go to joe schmuck the rag
> bag man and get the same job done for a whole lot cheaper. Is that not a
> gamble? When you roll the dice that way and the A&P does the job right you
> never complain or praise him for a job well done on the other hand if he
> misses something or breaks something while repairing your aircraft you are
> real quick to point out what the mistake is and think or say, He did me
> wrong man, I only wanted to pay 20 instead of 60 dollars an hour. Guess
> what you got what you paid for. Now grin and bear it. I could go on and on
> with the arguments you have and the responses to thos arguments. What does
> it solve? nothing because most pilots are ego manicas me included and that
> is out nature to never be wrong. Okay enough said about the ramblings of
> who did who wrong. Now lets get back to the subject that brought us all
> this mess.
>
> 1. I personally feel better knowing an A&P built an aircraft. after all
> that is his business and what he has been trained to do.
> 2. You have the right to agree or disagree. (I dont care which)
> 3. If you are going to buy a kit that has been built by a pilot who do you
> want to look at the aircraft for a prepurchase inspection?
> 4. if a kit is advertised as A&P built is the A&P sign off in the log book
> or is it just a sales tactic?
> 5. do your homework and make an educated decision based on that homework.
> 6. although I take pride in my work as an A&P and am glad to have that
> certificate dont take my word for anything other than my experience
> 7. look, touch, feel, take pictures, have someone else give you an opinion
> if that someone is knowledgeable.
>
> Glenn
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Has something happened to Dan Checkoway, or is he simply immersed in
moving his project to the hangar? His site is not updated for many days
now and I haven't seen him posting on the 'List. Dan, if you're
listening, I've been taking notes on your firewall forward work. don't
stop now!
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - skinning the fuselage.
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simply
immersed in moving his project to the hangar? His site is not
updated for many
days now and I haven’t seen him posting on the ‘List.
Dan, if you’re
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work…
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> Has something happened to Dan Checkoway?
Oh, he's probably doing something silly like working on his plane instead of
updating the website :-)
I did notice that he has updated a couple of days more that are not
reflected on the front page. If you scroll down to the bottom of the 23rd.
you can click next and there are a few more pages to peruse.
Come on Dan, we are all wondering what's new!
Do NOT archive...
Dave B, RV6
wings
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| Subject: | RV Customer Number at Van's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@access4less.net>
Hi,
I know that each kit and set of plans has a Van's Customer Number and/or
a serial number.
Should these be checked with Van's prior to purchasing a previously
owned kit?
Thanks,
Lyle
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| Subject: | Re: RV Customer Number at Van's |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
-------------------------------1065497859
If you buy a previously owned kit (and it is not yet completed and flying)
have the seller sign a document stating you are the new owner and to transfer
the serial number (also the builder number) to you. This way when you go to get
the FAA documents and sales agreement, it won't be an issue. It will also
make you eligible to purchase a new Lycoming engine from Van's if you choose.
-Mike Kraus
Bought most of my kits from 3rd parties
RV-4 Flying
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| Subject: | ? is the main Def. on the vr-7 & vr-9 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "carlos noto" <notomoto1@juno.com>
Hello everyone! I'm new on the list. I'm planning on building an RV. I'm
looking in to the RV-9 & and the RV-7, and I will like to know that are the
main differences between them. I know that the RV-9 has 1 feet of extra wind
on each side, but that is about it. I like the RV-9 because it has a slower
lading speed, but I like the RV-7 because it has a higher top speed :) I
know the undecided world of aviation. For those of you that know more about
the RV's, can you put a 200 hp on an RV-9, or you I want to go really fast
I'll have to stick with the RV-7? can the wing on the RV-7 be extended 1
feet for better lading speed?
thanks everyone for your help.
carlos noto
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