---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/07/03: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - RV-8 Empennage for Sale (Jim Nolan) 2. 06:33 AM - Altrak Altitude Hold (Lenleg@aol.com) 3. 06:49 AM - Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (Lenleg@aol.com) 4. 07:07 AM - Re: Altrak Altitude Hold (Sam Buchanan) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: RV Customer Number at Van's (Charles Rowbotham) 6. 08:13 AM - Re: Altrak Altitude Hold (Charles Rowbotham) 7. 08:15 AM - Re: Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (C. Rabaut) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (Scott Bilinski) 9. 09:32 AM - Re: Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (Mark Phillips) 10. 09:39 AM - How Wide a Door (Martin Sobel) 11. 10:36 AM - Re: ? is the main Def. on the vr-7 & vr-9 (Bob Hassel) 12. 10:50 AM - Re: Wither Dan? (Dan Checkoway) 13. 11:20 AM - Re: Flap leading edge protection (Richard Dudley) 14. 12:43 PM - Re: How Wide a Door (Jim Jewell) 15. 01:00 PM - GRT EFIS (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 16. 01:20 PM - Re: rudder (David.vonLinsowe) 17. 01:22 PM - Re: How Wide a Door (Jack Blomgren) 18. 01:47 PM - Re: How Wide a Door () 19. 02:34 PM - Re: Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (Harvey Sigmon) 20. 03:19 PM - Re: Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (Louis Willig) 21. 03:30 PM - Re: How Wide a Door (Curt Hoffman) 22. 03:31 PM - Thank you (Lyle Peterson) 23. 03:48 PM - Re: Fw: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby (C. Rabaut) 24. 03:50 PM - Re: ? is the main Def. on the vr-7 & vr-9 (David Taylor) 25. 05:02 PM - Run away rivet gun! (Charles L. Cotton) 26. 05:15 PM - EIS4000 engine monitor questions (C J Heitman) 27. 05:19 PM - Van's Tail Wheel (Rich Crosley) 28. 06:33 PM - Re: Run away rivet gun! (Bob Hassel) 29. 07:22 PM - Re: Van's Tail Wheel (Russell Duffy) 30. 07:38 PM - Re: EIS4000 engine monitor questions (Ed Perry) 31. 07:53 PM - Dynon Depth (Larygagnon@aol.com) 32. 07:56 PM - Re: Van's Tail Wheel (Larry Pardue) 33. 08:01 PM - Re: Run away rivet gun! (Steven Eberhart) 34. 08:04 PM - Re: Van's Tail Wheel (Sam Buchanan) 35. 08:12 PM - Re: Dynon Depth (Sam Buchanan) 36. 08:13 PM - Re: Run away rivet gun! (Charles L. Cotton) 37. 08:14 PM - Re: Van's Tail Wheel (Russell Duffy) 38. 08:38 PM - Re: Van's Tail Wheel (Jeff Point) 39. 08:59 PM - Re: Van's Tail Wheel (Larry Pardue) 40. 11:21 PM - Web site (Tom Gummo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:43 AM PST US From: "Jim Nolan" Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Empennage for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" Listers, I have an RV-8 Empennage for sale. Horizontal Stab is done, Vertical Stab is started. $900.00 OBO. You have to come to Warsaw, In to pick it up. I won't ship it. Jim Nolan N444JN

Listers,

I have an RV-8 Empennage for sale. Horizontal Stab is done, Vertical Stab is started. $900.00 OBO. You have to come to Warsaw, In to pick it up. I won't ship it.

Jim Nolan

N444JN

________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:26 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Altrak Altitude Hold --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Guys: I noticed on Vans website the altitude hold has the trim sensor option. What exactly is this for and are most guys buying this option? Sam Buchanan .... are you using the trim sensor? Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 152 hrs ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:59 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Fwd: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com ---------50765b9d434ed13a50765b9d434ed13a ---------50765b9d434ed13a50765b9d434ed13a by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 12:47:55 -0000 by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 12:47:55 -0000 From: Tim Piscitelli List-Unsubscribe: Subject: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby Hello all, Im a Flight Engineer in the Air Force on the C-5 Galaxy. I have been researching the Vans RV's for a few months now and am seriously thinking about starting a kit. I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone nearby that has any RV's either finished or being built that I could see and people to talk with Im very new to all this. Thanks to all Tim Piscitelli Dover AFB Delaware __________________________________ Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Click Here! Click Here! Learn more: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RVBGOTT Change you settings: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RVBGOTT/join General Help for Groups: http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/ ---------50765b9d434ed13a50765b9d434ed13a-- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:16 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Altrak Altitude Hold --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Lenleg@aol.com wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > Guys: > > I noticed on Vans website the altitude hold has the trim sensor option. What exactly is this for and are most guys buying this option? > > Sam Buchanan .... are you using the trim sensor? > > Len Leggette, RV-8A > Greensboro, NC N910LL > 152 hrs > No, I am using the standard version without the trim sensor. The standard servo is completely acceptable in our planes. As I understand the option, it would be desirable if the plane could get so out of trim that the servo could not overpower the out of trim condition, and the option would warn you that the condition existed. This is not a scenario in an RV since elevator trim does not change a great deal during the course of a cross country leg, and the elevator retains a lot of authority even when slightly out of trim. As has been stated by the DigiTrak rep, the trim option would be good if you anticipate upgrading later to one of the advanced DigiTrak systems. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:47 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Customer Number at Van's --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" I would. Chuck Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Lyle Peterson" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: RV Customer Number at Van's >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:34:15 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > >Hi, > >I know that each kit and set of plans has a Van's Customer Number and/or >a serial number. > >Should these be checked with Van's prior to purchasing a previously >owned kit? > >Thanks, > >Lyle > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:30 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Altrak Altitude Hold --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" We went without the trim sensor - works great. If you plan to upgrade in the future or think you might TruTrak's policy is should allow to trade in old unit for the new and only pay the difference. Great product !! Highly recommend both digitrak and alttrak. Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: Lenleg@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Altrak Altitude Hold >Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:32:12 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > >Guys: > >I noticed on Vans website the altitude hold has the trim sensor option. >What exactly is this for and are most guys buying this option? > >Sam Buchanan .... are you using the trim sensor? > >Len Leggette, RV-8A >Greensboro, NC N910LL >152 hrs > > Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:43 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fwd: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Welcome aboard Tim! You're gonna Love the RV. I'm at the other end of the continent (Ca.) so I can't offer much assistance, however I'm confident one of our comrades will answer up. You'll find the main problem at this point for you, will be deciding "which" RV to start with. Now considering what you're flyin' currently, it would be an easy transition into the RV-10. It's got a similar VNE as the C-5, just a little less room. :} Or you could swing the other way and go for the Solo Pocket Rocket, the RV-3. I've been blessed/gotten to fly most all of the RV's, except the RV-9 & 10, but the RV-4 is (and probably always will be) my favorite. It just seems to me more like a small Fighter Plane than the rest (with of course the exceptional Harmon/F-1 Rockets.... but I can't afford to keep one of those thorough breds stabled and their owners rarely let me fly them). Anyway, Glad to see another Pigeon, er... ah... Pilot catch the RV Fever. I'm sure this will be a very rewarding and very costly (you have heard about the $50-k "Free Test Ride" haven't you?) experience for you. Take care and Good Air! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hello all, > Im a Flight Engineer in the Air Force on the C-5 > Galaxy. I have been researching the Vans RV's for a > few months now and am seriously thinking about > starting a kit. I was wondering if anyone knows of > anyone nearby that has any RV's either finished or > being built that I could see and people to talk with > Im very new to all this. Thanks to all > Tim Piscitelli > Dover AFB Delaware DO NOT ARCHIVE , Thanks again Matt !!!! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:09 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Fwd: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski This will help with finding a finished RV. http://www.rvproject.com/rvfinder.jsp At 08:14 AM 10/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > >Welcome aboard Tim! You're gonna Love the RV. I'm at the other end of the >continent (Ca.) so I can't offer much assistance, however I'm confident one >of our comrades will answer up. You'll find the main problem at this point >for you, will be deciding "which" RV to start with. Now considering what >you're flyin' currently, it would be an easy transition into the RV-10. >It's got a similar VNE as the C-5, just a little less room. :} Or you >could swing the other way and go for the Solo Pocket Rocket, the RV-3. >I've been blessed/gotten to fly most all of the RV's, except the RV-9 & 10, >but the RV-4 is (and probably always will be) my favorite. It just seems >to me more like a small Fighter Plane than the rest (with of course the >exceptional Harmon/F-1 Rockets.... but I can't afford to keep one of those >thorough breds stabled and their owners rarely let me fly them). > >Anyway, Glad to see another Pigeon, er... ah... Pilot catch the RV Fever. >I'm sure this will be a very rewarding and very costly (you have heard about >the $50-k "Free Test Ride" haven't you?) experience for you. Take care and >Good Air! > > Chuck > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >> Hello all, >> Im a Flight Engineer in the Air Force on the C-5 >> Galaxy. I have been researching the Vans RV's for a >> few months now and am seriously thinking about >> starting a kit. I was wondering if anyone knows of >> anyone nearby that has any RV's either finished or >> being built that I could see and people to talk with >> Im very new to all this. Thanks to all >> Tim Piscitelli >> Dover AFB Delaware > >DO NOT ARCHIVE , Thanks again Matt !!!! > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:31 AM PST US From: Mark Phillips Subject: Re: RV-List: Fwd: [RVBGOTT] Any RV's nearby --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips Gee, Tim- how would you get it home from Oregon? 8-) I'm a long way from Dover, but you're in the right place asking the right questions- you can't do better than an RV! (but I "may" be a little biased!) Best wishes- Mark Phillips, RV-6A 90% done in Columbia TN - do not archive - > > Hello all, > Im a Flight Engineer in the Air Force on the C-5 > Galaxy. I have been researching the Vans RV's for a > few months now and am seriously thinking about > starting a kit. I was wondering if anyone knows of > anyone nearby that has any RV's either finished or > being built that I could see and people to talk with > Im very new to all this. Thanks to all > Tim Piscitelli > Dover AFB Delaware ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:33 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: How Wide a Door From: Martin Sobel --> RV-List message posted by: Martin Sobel Help: We may be building a new home. I need to know how wide a door do I need to get an -8 fuselage with gear out of the basement. Martin Sobel ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:28 AM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RE: RV-List: ? is the main Def. on the vr-7 & vr-9 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" If you like hanging upside down the 7 may be a better ship for you. If you plan on doing cross country go with the 9. Best bet is figure out what your skills are like now and what your mission or reason for flying is. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of carlos noto Subject: RV-List: ? is the main Def. on the vr-7 & vr-9 --> RV-List message posted by: "carlos noto" Hello everyone! I'm new on the list. I'm planning on building an RV. I'm looking in to the RV-9 & and the RV-7, and I will like to know that are the main differences between them. I know that the RV-9 has 1 feet of extra wind on each side, but that is about it. I like the RV-9 because it has a slower lading speed, but I like the RV-7 because it has a higher top speed :) I know the undecided world of aviation. For those of you that know more about the RV's, can you put a 200 hp on an RV-9, or you I want to go really fast I'll have to stick with the RV-7? can the wing on the RV-7 be extended 1 feet for better lading speed? thanks everyone for your help. carlos noto ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:30 AM PST US From: Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV-List: Wither Dan? --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Checkoway I've decided that I don't like flying or building anymore so I'm done with this project. YEAH, RIGHT. I just updated the current status on the site's home page -- got a lot of "concerned" emails. 8-) I'm on this stupid-a$$ cruise with my wife and her family, currently a few hundred nm from Fanning Island. Man, the cruising life is NOT for me, especially when I have a freakin' RV-7 just waiting for me in the garage. I'll be back on Sunday night, sea gods willing. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com Quoting Patrick Kelley : > --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" > > > Has something happened to Dan Checkoway, or is he simply immersed in > moving his project to the hangar? His site is not updated for many days > now and I haven't seen him posting on the 'List. Dan, if you're > listening, I've been taking notes on your firewall forward work. don't > stop now! > > > Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - skinning the fuselage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:53 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap leading edge protection --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Thanks for the comments on flap leading edge protection. There seems to be a variety of experiences and preferences on what works. Regards, Richard Dudley Richard Dudley wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley > > Listers, > > The leading edge of the flap on the RV-6/A (and probably all other RV's) > is tight against the underside of the top skin of the wing. It drags on > that top skin as the flaps are lowered. > > I have seen flap leading edges covered by a metal foil and by a white > polymer that Van sells as UHMW tape as a replacement for the metal foil. > > My question is: has anyone tried applying the UMHW tape to the underside > of the wing skin rather than to the flap? What were the results? Does it > protect the paint on the flap? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > Richard Dudley > -6A final details > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: How Wide a Door --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Martin, Well,...? If you have had the right and proper presence of mind to build right next to a runway then the door width should be about a minimum of thirty feet. Of course a nice bi-fold door for that would seem appropriate.[8-)! Failing the above an eight foot door should just be enough ( about 3" to 4" clearance) to get the fuselage straight out with it's wheel pants installed, out into the world and on the road to the runway that you wish you lived next to.{;-]! I am basing the door width suggestion on my 6A wheel stance as built in my in-house garage. If there is a difference in the 8 gear stance width I'm sure someone will be more than happy to offer a more accurate measurement.(g-)! Happy building of both, Jim in Kelowna........ P.S. Finish the garage part of the house first dude!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Sobel" Subject: RV-List: How Wide a Door > --> RV-List message posted by: Martin Sobel > > Help: > > We may be building a new home. > > I need to know how wide a door do I need to get an -8 fuselage with gear out > of the basement. > > Martin Sobel > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:58 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: GRT EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Folks... Is anyone on the list using the Grand Rapids EFIS/Engine Monitor yet? Any and all input/opinions are appreciated. This thing looks like a good unit. Jerry Cochran Folks...

Is anyone on the list using the Grand Rapids EFIS/Engine Monitor yet? Any an= d all input/opinions are appreciated. This thing looks like a good unit.
Jerry Cochran ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:15 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: rudder From: "David.vonLinsowe" --> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" Hi Jerry, I'm really curious of what the new fin and rudder did to your CG? I have an older style 7 rudder I was going to mount on my 6 with a new fin. The guys in the Van's booth didn't foresee any improvement and were concerned about the extra 3 lbs it would add to the tail. Thanks, Dave Snip> Actually the fairing fit better than I thought it would. I well have to modify where it lays against the vertical stab a little to get a better fit, but for testing I have just taped it for now. I well have to fly some more to get a better idea of performance because I took the wheel pants off to work on them during this same time. I do have a copy of the parts list maybe I well try to post it to a web site. I really can't say about price because Van did give me reduced price on parts. I was only at the fly-in for 2-3 hours on Sat., sorry did not get to say hello. Jerry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:00 PM PST US From: "Jack Blomgren" Subject: Re: RV-List: How Wide a Door --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" Martin, Mine measures 80" over wheel hub nuts with no engine weight gear spread. However, you can do with less width opening if you have enough room to swing the fuselage considerably away from straight on, sliding the tires sideways as you work your way one wheel at a time through the opening. Best Regards, Jack, -8 >From: Martin Sobel >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: RV-List Digest Server >Subject: RV-List: How Wide a Door >Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:52:30 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Martin Sobel > >Help: > >We may be building a new home. > >I need to know how wide a door do I need to get an -8 fuselage with gear >out >of the basement. > >Martin Sobel > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:54 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: How Wide a Door --> RV-List message posted by: Dear Martin, In addition to Jim's comments below, I' like to add the following: If you plan to roll the fuselage through the door(opening) with the Empennage attached, then you need more than 8 feet wide. At least that is the fact for my -6A with ~8'-4" width on the Empennage. If you plan to attach the Empennage at the Airport than a std. 8' Wide x 7' High would be sufficient. But better to big an opening than to small, space permitting? Good Luck with your quest. Do not archive Konrad ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Jewell To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: How Wide a Door --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Martin, Well,...? If you have had the right and proper presence of mind to build right next to a runway then the door width should be about a minimum of thirty feet. Of course a nice bi-fold door for that would seem appropriate.[8-)! Failing the above an eight foot door should just be enough ( about 3" to 4" clearance) to get the fuselage straight out with it's wheel pants installed, out into the world and on the road to the runway that you wish you lived next to.{;-]! I am basing the door width suggestion on my 6A wheel stance as built in my in-house garage. If there is a difference in the 8 gear stance width I'm sure someone will be more than happy to offer a more accurate measurement.(g-)! Happy building of both, Jim in Kelowna........ P.S. Finish the garage part of the house first dude!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Sobel" To: "RV-List Digest Server" Subject: RV-List: How Wide a Door > --> RV-List message posted by: Martin Sobel > > Help: > > We may be building a new home. > > I need to know how wide a door do I need to get an -8 fuselage with gear out > of the basement. > > Martin Sobel > > = = http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report = =

Dear Martin,

In addition to Jim's comments below, I' like to add the following:

If you plan to roll the fuselage through the door(opening) with the Empennage attached, then you need more than 8 feet wide.

At least that is the fact for my -6A with ~8'-4" width on the Empennage. If you plan to attach the Empennage at the Airport than a std. 8' Wide x 7' High would be sufficient. But better to big an opening than to small, space permitting?

Good Luck with your quest. Do not archive

Konrad

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Jewell

To: rv-list@matronics.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:39 PM

Subject: Re: RV-List: How Wide a Door

--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>

Hi Martin,

Well,...?

If you have had the right and proper presence of mind to build right next to
a runway then the door width should be about a minimum of thirty feet. Of
course a nice bi-fold door for that would seem appropriate.[8-)!

Failing the above an eight foot door should just be enough ( about 3" to 4"
clearance) to get the fuselage straight out with it's wheel pants installed,
out into the world and on the road to the runway that you wish you lived
next to.{;-]!

I am basing the door width suggestion on my 6A wheel stance as built in my
in-house garage.
If there is a difference in the 8 gear stance width I'm sure someone will be
more than happy to offer a more accurate measurement.(g-)!

Happy building of both,

Jim in Kelowna........ P.S. Finish the garage part of the house first dude!!

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