Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:23 AM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Mickey Coggins)
2. 03:11 AM - Re: A&P (Jim Sears)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: GRT EFIS (Dana Overall)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Jerry Calvert)
5. 05:07 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Brian Denk)
6. 05:25 AM - Re: Maximizing Range (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
7. 05:29 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (RV6 Flyer)
8. 06:16 AM - V belt question (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
9. 06:21 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (RV_8 Pilot)
10. 06:30 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Scott Bilinski)
11. 06:56 AM - Dynon (Wheeler North)
12. 06:59 AM - New Integrated LED Position Lights & Landing Lights (Bill VonDane)
13. 06:59 AM - Re: Maximizing Range (Eustace Bowhay)
14. 07:40 AM - Re: Dynon mag update (Sam Buchanan)
15. 08:04 AM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Ken Simmons)
16. 08:11 AM - Integrated LED Position Lights (Bill Dube)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Rob Prior)
18. 09:54 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Clay R)
19. 10:11 AM - Re: Dynon G feature (N13eer@aol.com)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Boss)
21. 11:45 AM - Looking for Hobby Air respirator (Robert E. Newhall II)
22. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Sam Buchanan)
23. 12:17 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (kempthornes)
24. 01:16 PM - Re: V belt question (Sam Buchanan)
25. 02:31 PM - Re: Dynon G feature (Larry Bowen)
26. 02:48 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (Tedd McHenry)
27. 02:58 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (Alex Peterson)
28. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Jim Jewell)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: V belt question (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
30. 05:05 PM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Phil Birkelbach)
31. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Bob Hassel)
32. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Jerry Springer)
33. 06:28 PM - Maximizing Range (David.vonLinsowe)
34. 06:31 PM - ECI TITAN Engine (Dennis Parker)
35. 06:44 PM - RV List (smoothweasel@juno.com)
36. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Kirsten Lacy)
37. 07:08 PM - Rv List (smoothweasel@juno.com)
38. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Ron Walker)
39. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Bob Hassel)
40. 09:30 PM - Speaking of Instruments (Karie Daniel)
41. 09:51 PM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Ken Simmons)
42. 10:17 PM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Terry Watson)
43. 11:12 PM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Karie Daniel)
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| Subject: | G meter and turn coordinator(long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>...
>
>Anybody know of other digital G meters?
The Dynon includes a digital G meter, and a lot of
other stuff. To help me quantify the value of
the Dynon, I did a little comparison of Dynon vs.
"cheap" traditional instruments, and put it here
on my website, if you have any interest.
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20031009110109367
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
> I would take one exception to your list, not all A&Ps are trained. And
this
> is a problem in some areas where the inspectors are a little loose in
> signing off work experience, and the candidate takes a 3 day spin course.
> That said, I know many good A&Ps who learned from the school of hard
> knocks only, but somewhere out there is a plane with all their hard knocks
on > it.
I have to second Wheeler's comments. I've know some very good A&Ps who have
gone on and gotten their IA ratings while working on the job. They never
got any formal training other than what they picked up, along the way. I've
also know some pretty poor A&Ps who have also gotten their IA ratings and
were able to get formal training to become A&Ps. That's why I am so pushy
about one's inspecting a partially finished project very carefully, even if
it is supposedly built by an A&P. Not all A&Ps are created equal.
The owner of a RV-6A that I had mentioned earlier is almost ready to fly his
for the first time. A few more hours of finish up work will get it ready
for the DAR. Per his note to me the other day, this one was supposed to
have been built by an A&P. Some examples of problems he's had that I know
of: improper installation of the front attachment for HS that could have
caused it to come off in flight, front attach points on the tanks were
installed backwards, aileron push tubes made without regard to proper
length, wing slots so tight that it was almost impossible to install the
wings without damaging something. As I said, buyer beware, even if it is
supposedly A&P built.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe"
><David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
>With the way the system integrates the EFIS, Garmin 430 and the Digiflight
>IIVSG it should be quite the setup! Now I'll just have to learn how to use
>it all. :-)
>
>Dave
>
Dave, when I talked with Greg at Oshkosh he told me they did not yet have
the code to do anything with the 430. The best they could do would be to
integrate into the moving map but the pic you would see would be far
inferior to what the 430 itself wouldn't recommend doing anything with it.
Since my 430 and trutrack will communicate, I chose to save several thousand
dollars and go with Dynon. Has something changed recently with the GRT and
Garmin as I am going with the GRT EIS and engine moniter screen.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
Kristen,
I agree with you about the insensitivity of the the way the article was
written. I know it only added to the grief of the family and friends of the
Woodards. Heartless journalism is the foremost thought that comes to mind.
People that don't know Greg, but have seen his beautiful RV8, will assume
that it was him that was lost in the accident. There should have been a
disclaimer advising that the picture was an example of the type of aircraft.
But, that thoughless action falls right in with the whole heartless approach
taken by the reporter who wrote the article. I have copied Greg's email
address from his website on this thread so that he will be aware of this.
Thanks for keeping in touch with the RV list family.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC res
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
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> Jerry, I haven't a clue as to why they used someone else's pic in this
> article. I had thought this site a good source of information until toda=
> y.
> Perhaps (?) they've forgotten how personal this can be. My sister actual=
> ly
> sent them a scathing e-mail ( she left a message on the phone, but it was
> not returned ) about how they had reported this story about the Woodards.
> Their remains were scattered...." no one, I think, wants to hear that,
> least of all family and friends. There was no author or reporter was lis=
> ted
> as being responsible for this article.
>
> If you should find out why why Greg Hale's pic was used, would you please
> let me know via this board, or e-mail me direct. These past months have
> truly been an experience, learning to deal with the FAA, NTSB, and the
> media, searching for information. I've considered lately that I would li=
> ke
> to use this knowledge to help other families in the same situation.
>
> Thanks for any help, resources, or insight y'all can provide. Anyone w=
> ho
> needs info on navigating this kind of loss, please e-mail me.
>
> Kirsten Stugart Lacy ( stepping off of the soapbox, lol )
> klacy@totalaccess.net
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:06:28 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
>
> For some reason they used a picture of Greg Hale's RV8 in this article???=
>
>
> Jerry Calvert
> Edmond Ok
> RV6 N296JC res
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
> >
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> > Kirsten Stugart Lacy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Anyone have info on this?
> > >
> > > http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt
> > >
> > > Bryan Jones -8
> > > Pearland, Texas
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> <DIV>Jerry, I haven't a clue as to why they used someone else's pic in th=
> is article. I had thought this site a good source of information un=
> til today. Perhaps (?) they've forgotten how personal this can=
> be. My sister actually sent them a scathing e-mail
> ( she left a message on the phone, but it was not returned ) about h=
> ow they had reported this story about the Woodards."Their remains we=
> re scattered...." no one, I think, wants to hear that, l=
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> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>If you should find out why why Greg Hale's pic was used, would you p=
> lease let me know via this board, or e-mail me direct. These past m=
> onths have truly been an experience, learning to deal with the FAA,=
> NTSB, and the media, searching for information. I've conside=
> red lately that I would like to use this knowledge to help other fam=
> ilies in the same situation.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Thanks for any help, resources, or insight y'all ca=
> n provide. Anyone who needs info on navigating this kind of lo=
> ss, please e-mail me.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Kirsten Stugart Lacy ( stepping off of the soapbox, lol
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> hey used a picture of Greg Hale's RV8 in this article???<BR><BR>Jerry Cal=
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
>
>For some reason they used a picture of Greg Hale's RV8 in this article???
>
>Jerry Calvert
>Edmond Ok
Note it says "file photo below". Purely used as an example for those
unfamiliar with the RV8.
Truly a tragic event in any case.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
At full throttle on a carb. engine the cylinders receive closer to equal
amounts of fuel air mixture and therefore a little more effecient.
Wayne Petrus
RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
http://www.vansairforce.net/
It was listed on 10-7-03.
Do not archive
----Original Message Follows----
From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Anyone have info on this?
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
I have Van's 35 amp alternator.
The pulley on it is narrower than the groove on Lycoming's flywheel.
When I put a belt on, it will set nicely down into the Lycoming but sits high in
the alternator pulley perhaps only half down into it.
Any ideas about this.
Will it "seat in" after running or should I try to get a new pulley now that
matches the Lycoming flywheel pulley groove?
It looks to me like there is a pretty good mismatch in the 35 amp Pulley.
do not archive
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
It seems to me that they used the pic as an example of an RV-8, but could
see where it might be misleading.
The preliminary FAA report was confusing and very poorly worded. It gave me
the impression that the Woodards might have been with a flight. With the
news report showing them from Georgetown, I thought they may have been
associated with some of the RV groups in that area and someone on the list
could offer some basic facts around the incident.
Condolences to friends and family of the Woodards.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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>
>For some reason they used a picture of Greg Hale's RV8 in this article???
>
>Jerry Calvert
>Edmond Ok
>RV6 N296JC res
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
> >
> > here's another....
> >
> >
>http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=0263216f-575c-484c-bb44-a2
> > 3e943d3a1c&#d
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> > Kirsten Stugart Lacy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Anyone have info on this?
> > >
> > > http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt
> > >
> > > Bryan Jones -8
> > > Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
You will notice that they post pictures of all planes discussed. Most if
not all pictures are file photos and not the actual plane involved in the
article. The comment about the remains......I could not belive I read that,
unbelievable.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Larry,
simplest method is to put a magnet close to the D-10 and see if it moves. If
not then the unit is listening to the EDC.
That said, I have sent several suggestions that they add a flag feature to
let the user always know they are getting accurate EDC data, rather then
having a broken wire and the unit reverts back to the internal data source
that is inaccurate but unknown.
I expect this will show up as fixed in some later version, but these kinds
of things can be very tough to work out, so will take time.
I would also agree with Sam that working with Doug is a great experience.
He's very realistic about the pros and cons of the product, but is always
ready to make it better if that is humanly possible.
W
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| Subject: | New Integrated LED Position Lights & Landing Lights |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hi all...
I just wanted to let you know that I have posted some pictures of my prototype
integrated LED Position and Landing Lights that I will be adding to my product
line... Bill Dube and I collaborated on these, and I think they are pretty damn
cool!
If you have already purchased a landing light kit from me, you will easily be able
to upgrade to the new kit...
I will also be offering a new strobe solution for Van's sheared tips. I have commissioned
a company to produce a new strobe head and power supply that is comparable
in performance to the leading "built for aviation" strobes and power
supplies, but at a lower cost. Soon you will be able to buy a complete lighting
package for your aircraft from CreativAir!
Sorry for the advertisement, but I am excited about the new lights and just wanted
to let you all know...
If you can make to Copperstate, I will be there on Saturday, and will also be a
Las Cruces. See you there!
http://www.creativair.com
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I just wanted to let you know that I have posted
some pictures of my prototype integrated LED Position and Landing
Lights that I will be adding to my product line... Bill Dube and I
collaborated on these, and I think they are pretty damn cool!</FONT></DIV>
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size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>If you have already purchased a landing light kit
from me, you will easily be able to upgrade to the new kit...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I will also be offering a new strobe solution
for Van's sheared tips. <FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I have commissioned a
company to produce a new strobe head and power supply that is comparable in
performance to the leading "built for aviation" strobes and power supplies, but
at a lower cost. Soon you will be able to buy a complete lighting package
for your aircraft from CreativAir!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Sorry for the advertisement, but I am excited
about the new lights and just wanted to let you all know...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>If you can make to Copperstate, I will be
there on Saturday, and will also be a Las Cruces. See you
there!</FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
As I recall Jon Johanson used around 55% for best range. One of his longest
flight's was from Hawaii to California, 15.3 hours.
Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Maximizing Range
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi John,
>
> A lot depends on your particular RV and how it's configured. Mainly,
Fixed
> Pitch vs Constant Speed. The traditional formula of altitude for 75%
power
> at full throttle doesn't necessarily apply. This isn't always the way to
> achieve "econ" cruise.
>
> I'll keep this short, since a bunch of C/S guys can givey ou their specs,
> but here's mine.
>
> IO-360 (180hp) Fixed Pitch, 85". I can run the RPM past 2700 at any
> altitude to 15,000 feet (I haven't had O2 to try above that). As a
result,
> I usually fly around at a lot less, around 2400. At 2700 I can zip along
at
> 195-200mph, but I "sip" 10-11gph. At 2400, I can lope along at 170-175mph,
> and drink only 7.8-8gph. If I slow down to 160 I can get the burn down to
> 6.9-7.4gph. Quick math tells you the slower I go, the further I can go,
but
> like most RV'ers I'm impatient, so I usually choose 170mph and 8gph.
>
> Gives me lots of distance in 3.5-4hrs (+reserve), which is just about all
my
> bladder and butt really are comfortable with.
>
> Someone of the C/S guys have done extensive studies on engine parameters,
> fuel burn, MP, speed, etc.. would give you a much better and accurate
answer
> than my "seat of the pants" recording!
>
> Hope this helps,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis
> http://www.steinair.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Maximizing Range
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I have been pondering how to operate an RV to maximize range without
adding
> more fuel tank capacity or slowing down to really slow speeds. In the
> archives I ran across the admonition, "Optimum altitude (for cruising)
> equals the height where full throttle provides the desired cruise RPM" (or
> words to that effect.)
>
> Can someone with more aeronautical knowledge than I have comment on this
> 'wisdom.'
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon mag update |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Larry Bowen wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
>> "Turns out I had a magnetometer that did not have the factory
> calibration data onboard its memory chip."
>
> How was this determined? How can other customers be assured they don't
> have the same problem?
Larry, the troubleshooting process was a rather drawn out process
because the basic assumptions that were made assumed a problem with my
installation. :-)
After repeated efforts to verify the alignment of the module, running
the calibration routine *numerous* times, and making sure there was no
ferrous interference by using a compass, (I nearly wore out the screws
on the emp fairing) Dynon requested I email the files that are generated
during the field calibration process. Upon examination of the files,
they could tell the factory calibration data was not in the mag.
I suspect steps have been taken to reduce the chance of this
reoccurring, and I think the Dynon guys would now be quicker to pick up
on this possibility. This and an EMI issue with the mag was apparently a
learning process for *all* involved.
If you install the mag and it calibrates readily, you have a good mag.
The sick one I had was very inconsistent and would show variable and
large errors.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | G meter and turn coordinator(long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I appreciate the price comparison, but I think price plays a small role in the
decision making process for selecting an instrument.
I think the Dynon is a great instrument, but as others have pointed out there may
be too much stuff packed in there. That's one of the reasons I chose a different
AOA.
I'm considering a separate G meter for similar reasons, readability and audible
alarm capability.
As another update on the DA-55 Digital G meter. I received a reply from the Manufacturer.
It's quoted below:
The DA-55 is no longer in production and the company (EZE Instruments) was completely
restructured. As we are speaking, however, a new model is in production,
the RDA-56. I attach the raw manual for your info. As soon as delivery is in
progress, the web site will be reactivated.
If anybody wants a copy of the raw manual they sent let me know. It looks very
similar to the previous instrument except it will display +/-25g instead of +15g
and -10g. It also has more storage capacity.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>>
>>...
>>
>>Anybody know of other digital G meters?
>
>The Dynon includes a digital G meter, and a lot of
>other stuff. To help me quantify the value of
>the Dynon, I did a little comparison of Dynon vs.
>"cheap" traditional instruments, and put it here
>on my website, if you have any interest.
>
>http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20031009110109367
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>
>
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| Subject: | Integrated LED Position Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
I've been working with Bill VonDane and we have developed a nifty LED
Position Light set-up that integrates directly with his wingtip landing
light kit. The fiberglass epoxy LED Position Light circuit board takes the
place of the mounting plate for the CreativAir landing lights. Take a peek
at the prototypes:
http://www.creativair.com/exnav/index.htm
Bill has these on his RV-8 and will be showing them off at Copper State
this weekend.
Keep in mind tat these are prototypes, the production units might looks
slightly different. It is very likely that we will stick with the
surface-mount components that you see on the prototypes, but they will
likely be mounted remotely, or on the back of the board. (I kind of like
the components exposed for the "high-tech" look, but others seem to like
the regulators hidden.)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Jerry Calvert wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
>
> For some reason they used a picture of Greg Hale's RV8 in this article???
I can take a tiny bit of blame for that... They originally had a photo
of Bryan Carr's (also very pretty) RV-8 there, that I took at a fly-in
here in BC. I sent Aero-news an email requesting that either I be
credited for the photo or that it be removed. I guess Greg Hale's was
just another photo he had handy. Aero-news.net claimed my photo was
"just something someone sent in."
What nobody has pointed out, surprisingly, is that the three-view that's
attached to the article is for an RV-7, not an RV-8.
Rob Prior
AirFrame Aircraft Portraits
www.airframe.ca
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
their story:
>What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
>Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
the couple to say their remains were scattered about
the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
student new to the world of journalism.
>Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
(I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
----------
I then received the following two replies!
Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
is a FILE PHOTO.
As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
each with his own. I
didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
interfere, as long as the
facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
horrible tragedy.
Tim Kern
Senior Editor,
The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
(even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
widely reported in other media, as well, and your
asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
would be both irresponsible as well as less than
factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
will read this, get the message, and get their acts
together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
determined to fly safer and more competently.
BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
and is in fact, the same model as that which
crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
tell us to remove it?
Jim
----------
I then replied to the first reply with the following:
MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
house.
Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
readers too. There should be some accountability.
-----
Now I know the kind of people that are running
Aero-News network.
--Clay
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon G feature |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Larry Wrote:
I've noticed that I can reset the G-meter on the Dynon, power it off,back on, then
the min G always reads "2.0". Is this a bug or a featureI don't understand.
I'm using the latest software version.
Larry,
How are you powering the unit off? I found that if you use the power button (left
most button for 2 seconds) rather than just killing power, the Dynon does
a much more orderly shutdown. I think you "2.0" may be a value stored in memory
and using the power down button will rewrite to the memory and take care of
your problem.
Alan Kritzman
Cedar Rapids, IA
RV-8, Loving my Dynon
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
AND my lettor to the editor:
What message were you trying to deliver.? That people die in airplane
crashes? I,ve known that since a P-47 Crashed behind the house just outside
of Gulfport Mississippi in 1942. You do not need to publish GORY details and
offend the family or the general public. That Is INSENSATIVE and
IRRESPONSIBLE. Both the editor and the journalist need to be repremanded
severely. What you think is irrelevant. It is what the public thinks and is
willing to tolerate... certainaly not what you think journalism to be.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay R" <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
>
> I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> their story:
>
> >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> >Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> student new to the world of journalism.
>
> >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
>
> ----------
>
> I then received the following two replies!
>
>
> Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> is a FILE PHOTO.
>
> As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> each with his own. I
> didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> interfere, as long as the
> facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
>
> Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> horrible tragedy.
>
> Tim Kern
> Senior Editor,
>
>
> The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> (even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> determined to fly safer and more competently.
>
> BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> and is in fact, the same model as that which
> crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> tell us to remove it?
>
> Jim
>
> ----------
>
> I then replied to the first reply with the following:
>
>
> MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
>
> Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> house.
>
> Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> readers too. There should be some accountability.
>
> -----
>
> Now I know the kind of people that are running
> Aero-News network.
>
> --Clay
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for Hobby Air respirator |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Newhall II" <renewhall2@yahoo.com>
Does anyone have a Hobby Air respirator that they'd
like to part with?
Bob Newhall
RV7 Finishing
Boulder, CO
303.819.1482
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in
the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the
original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1471822
Your beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.
Sam Buchanan
==================
Clay R wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
>
> I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> their story:
>
> >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> >Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> student new to the world of journalism.
>
> >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
>
> ----------
>
> I then received the following two replies!
>
> Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> is a FILE PHOTO.
>
> As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> each with his own. I
> didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> interfere, as long as the
> facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
>
> Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> horrible tragedy.
>
> Tim Kern
> Senior Editor,
>
> The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> (even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> determined to fly safer and more competently.
>
> BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> and is in fact, the same model as that which
> crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> tell us to remove it?
>
> Jim
>
> ----------
>
> I then replied to the first reply with the following:
>
> MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
>
> Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> house.
>
> Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> readers too. There should be some accountability.
>
> -----
>
> Now I know the kind of people that are running
> Aero-News network.
>
> --Clay
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Fly at maximum L/D?
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
At 07:01 PM 10/8/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>I have been pondering how to operate an RV to maximize range .......
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| Subject: | Re: V belt question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
"Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> I have Van's 35 amp alternator.
> The pulley on it is narrower than the groove on Lycoming's flywheel.
>
> When I put a belt on, it will set nicely down into the Lycoming but sits high
in
> the alternator pulley perhaps only half down into it.
>
> Any ideas about this.
>
> Will it "seat in" after running or should I try to get a new pulley now that
> matches the Lycoming flywheel pulley groove?
>
> It looks to me like there is a pretty good mismatch in the 35 amp Pulley.
>
I found a Gates belt at a local auto/lawn equipment supply store that
has worked nicely for 500+ hrs on my Vans alternator. I don't have the
number with me, but it is a power takeoff belt that is usually used for
driving the mower on a lawn tractor. The belt is green in color, fits
perfectly on the alternator pulley, and rides down in the groove some on
the flywheel. I was told this belt was more ruggedly built for the power
application than many conventional belts.
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, 515 hrs)
http://thervjournal.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Yeah, I hold the button for two seconds and it shuts off. Or, if I
throw thow the avionics master it also shuts down after counting down
from 30 seconds using the internal battery. The whole time the unit is
just sitting in the panel, experiencing nothing but 1 G. So nobody else
is seeing this? Swell....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:11 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon G feature
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>
> Larry Wrote:
> I've noticed that I can reset the G-meter on the Dynon, power
> it off,back on, then the min G always reads "2.0". Is this a
> bug or a featureI don't understand. I'm using the latest
> software version.
>
> Larry,
> How are you powering the unit off? I found that if you use
> the power button (left most button for 2 seconds) rather than
> just killing power, the Dynon does a much more orderly
> shutdown. I think you "2.0" may be a value stored in memory
> and using the power down button will rewrite to the memory
> and take care of your problem. Alan Kritzman Cedar Rapids, IA
> RV-8, Loving my Dynon
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, kempthornes wrote:
> Fly at maximum L/D?
Hal:
That's correct when considering only the aerodynamics. But in practice, at
least with an RV, I think you'll find that max. L/D is a bit too slow, because
it will put the engine and prop at low efficiency operating points. Your best
range will be faster than max. L/D. And then you have to consider wind.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Fly at maximum L/D?
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
Interesting thought, Hal. That IS where the minimum power is needed.
However, the engine efficiency is probably pretty crummy at that low
power setting. (Also, mine would overheat at that speed, something like
80 knots.) To get maximum range, the efficiency of the fuel burned must
compromise with the power needed. If I had to guess, best range would be
somewhere in the 100 - 120 kias range, but the number of hours one would
be in the cockpit at max endurance wouldn't be fun. Sounds like a fun
series of tests to try. One of the biggest factors in those tests would
be leaning.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 384 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
It seems to me;
If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from another source? it just makes
matters that much worse.
Good journalism should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not
just pass it on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and
sensitivity of the contents.
In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves the just as much
harsh criticism as the chosen information source.
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in
> the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the
> original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.
>
> http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1471822
>
> Your beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
> ==================
>
> Clay R wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> > their story:
> >
> > >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> > in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> > >Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> > you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> > the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> > the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> > student new to the world of journalism.
> >
> > >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> > (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> > implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then received the following two replies!
> >
> > Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> > is a FILE PHOTO.
> >
> > As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> > each with his own. I
> > didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> > interfere, as long as the
> > facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
> >
> > Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> > horrible tragedy.
> >
> > Tim Kern
> > Senior Editor,
> >
> > The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> > news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> > (even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> > photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> > remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> > widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> > asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> > head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> > would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> > factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> > will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> > together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> > determined to fly safer and more competently.
> >
> > BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> > and is in fact, the same model as that which
> > crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> > tell us to remove it?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then replied to the first reply with the following:
> >
> > MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> > ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> > POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> > mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
> >
> > Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> > with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> > Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> > airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> > include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> > one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> > That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> > house.
> >
> > Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> > readers too. There should be some accountability.
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Now I know the kind of people that are running
> > Aero-News network.
> >
> > --Clay
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: V belt question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Sam Buchanan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
> >
> > I have Van's 35 amp alternator.
> > The pulley on it is narrower than the groove on Lycoming's flywheel.
> >
> > When I put a belt on, it will set nicely down into the Lycoming but sits high
in
> > the alternator pulley perhaps only half down into it.
> >
> > Any ideas about this.
> >
> > Will it "seat in" after running or should I try to get a new pulley now that
> > matches the Lycoming flywheel pulley groove?
> >
> > It looks to me like there is a pretty good mismatch in the 35 amp Pulley.
> >
>
> I found a Gates belt at a local auto/lawn equipment supply store that
> has worked nicely for 500+ hrs on my Vans alternator. I don't have the
> number with me, but it is a power takeoff belt that is usually used for
> driving the mower on a lawn tractor. The belt is green in color, fits
> perfectly on the alternator pulley, and rides down in the groove some on
> the flywheel. I was told this belt was more ruggedly built for the power
> application than many conventional belts.
>
> Sam Buchanan (RV-6, 515 hrs)
Sam, next time you get into your cowl, look up numbers on the belt if you dont
mind. I can get cross
refernces to it if I get a number.
Tnx, Phil
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
You didn't add the cost of the vacuum system that would be required to get
those cheap gyros to spin. That would tip the scales the other way.
Godspeed,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: RE: RV-List: G meter and turn coordinator(long)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
> >
> >...
> >
> >Anybody know of other digital G meters?
>
> The Dynon includes a digital G meter, and a lot of
> other stuff. To help me quantify the value of
> the Dynon, I did a little comparison of Dynon vs.
> "cheap" traditional instruments, and put it here
> on my website, if you have any interest.
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20031009110109367
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
No intention to flame...
I believe the purpose of journalism is to report the facts. Not filter the
facts based upon what one person or group of individuals finds offensive.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
It seems to me;
If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from another source? it just makes
matters that much worse.
Good journalism should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not
just pass it on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and
sensitivity of the contents.
In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves the just as much
harsh criticism as the chosen information source.
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in
> the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the
> original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.
>
> http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1471822
>
> Your beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
> ==================
>
> Clay R wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> > their story:
> >
> > >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> > in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> > >Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> > you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> > the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> > the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> > student new to the world of journalism.
> >
> > >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> > (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> > implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then received the following two replies!
> >
> > Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> > is a FILE PHOTO.
> >
> > As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> > each with his own. I
> > didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> > interfere, as long as the
> > facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
> >
> > Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> > horrible tragedy.
> >
> > Tim Kern
> > Senior Editor,
> >
> > The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> > news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> > (even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> > photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> > remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> > widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> > asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> > head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> > would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> > factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> > will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> > together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> > determined to fly safer and more competently.
> >
> > BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> > and is in fact, the same model as that which
> > crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> > tell us to remove it?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then replied to the first reply with the following:
> >
> > MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> > ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> > POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> > mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
> >
> > Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> > with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> > Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> > airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> > include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> > one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> > That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> > house.
> >
> > Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> > readers too. There should be some accountability.
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Now I know the kind of people that are running
> > Aero-News network.
> >
> > --Clay
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
What you all need to remember is that Jim Campbell is the one running
Aero-News
He is a low life from the word go IMO. He used to publish the US Aviator
magazine that went
belly up and left a lot of people with no magazine that had subscribed.
He was at Arlington
one year taking subscriptions knowing he was going bankrupt. He has
tried to sue all kinds
of people that disagree with him.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Clay R wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
>
>I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
>their story:
>
>
>
>>What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
>>
>>
>in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
>
>
>>Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
>>
>>
>you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
>the couple to say their remains were scattered about
>the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
>student new to the world of journalism.
>
>
>
>>Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
>>
>>
>(I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
>implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
>
>----------
>
>I then received the following two replies!
>
>
>Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
>is a FILE PHOTO.
>
>As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
>each with his own. I
>didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
>interfere, as long as the
>facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
>
>Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
>horrible tragedy.
>
>Tim Kern
>Senior Editor,
>
>
>The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
>news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
>(even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
>photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
>remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
>widely reported in other media, as well, and your
>asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
>head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
>would be both irresponsible as well as less than
>factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
>will read this, get the message, and get their acts
>together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
>determined to fly safer and more competently.
>
>BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
>and is in fact, the same model as that which
>crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
>tell us to remove it?
>
>Jim
>
>----------
>
>I then replied to the first reply with the following:
>
>
>MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
>ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
>POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
>mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
>
>Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
>with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
>Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
>airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
>include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
>one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
>That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
>house.
>
>Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
>readers too. There should be some accountability.
>
>-----
>
>Now I know the kind of people that are running
>Aero-News network.
>
>--Clay
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
John,
Along with considering the most efficient power setting and altitude, two other
items should come into play. Winds aloft and flying in a straight line. It
may sound absurd, but using an autopilot on a long cross country can in some cases
(depends on how prone you are to wondering) add a fair amount of distance
to a tank of fuel. At the higher flight levels we can use, winds can made a
huge difference! During a recent descent from 16k the gps was showing 301 mph!
Wish I really was traveling in that direction and not just flying squares for
prop testing.
Dave
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Subject: RV-List: Maximizing Range
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I have been pondering how to operate an RV to maximize range without adding
more fuel tank capacity or slowing down to really slow speeds. In the
archives I ran across the admonition, "Optimum altitude (for cruising)
equals the height where full throttle provides the desired cruise RPM" (or
words to that effect.)
Can someone with more aeronautical knowledge than I have comment on this
'wisdom.'
John
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| Subject: | ECI TITAN Engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Parker" <dennis@k2workflow.com>
Does anyone have experience or comments on the ECI TITAN Engine offering
Thanks
Dennis Parker
RV7QB in Progress
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
Hello
I will be around Grenada MS on Sat. Oct. 11.
Is there anyone in this area that has a Rv (project or completed)
That I could see? I am building a -4 and would like to
see how some things are completed. If anyone would
have the time, please let me know off line or call.
Joel Graber
RV-4 finishing
Brooksville Ms
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
--------------Boundary-00=_XCQIG6G0000000000000
--------------Boundary-00=_XCQIBHK0000000000000
"Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots will read this, get the
message, and get their acts together."
Please, please, tell me you are not suggesting to Mr. Woodard's family an=
d
friends that he did not have his act together.
This editor can couch it any way he wishes, it is their website, after al=
l,
but it is still nothing but shoddy reporting and lurid sensationalism. Ye=
s,
we would expect the media to go for the jugular, but not a site that is
purported to support the aviation community. If anything, I would think t=
hat
such a site would take a stand on the aviation community's behalf and
renounce the crap that is "widely reported in other media".
Kirsten Stugart Lacy
Diana Stugart Voytek
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
No intention to flame...
I believe the purpose of journalism is to report the facts. Not filter th=
e
facts based upon what one person or group of individuals finds offensive.=
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
It seems to me;
If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from another source? it just ma=
kes
matters that much worse.
Good journalism should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not
just pass it on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and
sensitivity of the contents.
In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves the just as much=
harsh criticism as the chosen information source.
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in
> the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the
> original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.
>
> http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S1471822
>
> Your beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
> Clay R wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> > their story:
> >
> > >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> > in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> > >Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> > you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> > the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> > the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> > student new to the world of journalism.
> >
> > >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> > (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> > implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then received the following two replies!
> >
> > Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> > is a FILE PHOTO.
> >
> > As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> > each with his own. I
> > didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> > interfere, as long as the
> > facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
> >
> > Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> > horrible tragedy.
> >
> > Tim Kern
> > Senior Editor,
> >
> > The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> > news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> > (even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> > photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> > remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> > widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> > asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> > head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> > would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> > factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> > will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> > together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> > determined to fly safer and more competently.
> >
> > BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> > and is in fact, the same model as that which
> > crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> > tell us to remove it?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then replied to the first reply with the following:
> >
> > MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> > ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> > POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> > mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
> >
> > Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> > with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> > Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> > airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> > include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> > one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> > That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> > house.
> >
> > Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> > readers too. There should be some accountability.
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Now I know the kind of people that are running
> > Aero-News network.
> >
> > --Clay
> >
>
>
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<DIV><FONT size1><FONT faceVerdana><FONT faceArial><STRONG>Pleas=
e, please, tell me you are not suggesting to Mr. Woodard's family and fri=
ends that he did not have his act together.</STRONG><STRONG> <BR><BR=
>This editor can couch it any way he wishes, it is their website, after a=
ll, but it is still nothing but shoddy reporting and lurid sensationalism=
Yes, we would expect the <U>media</U> to go for the jugular, but not
a site that is purported to support the aviation community. If anything,
I would think that such a site would take a stand on the aviation communi=
ty's behalf and renounce the crap that is "widely reported in other media=
".</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size1><FONT faceVerdana><FONT faceArial><STRONG></STR=
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<DIV><FONT size1><FONT faceVerdana><FONT faceArial><STRONG>Kirst=
en Stugart Lacy</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size1><FONT faceVerdana><FONT faceArial><STRONG>Diana=
Stugart Voytek</DIV>
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<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> Thursday, Oc=
tober 09, 2003 08:10:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href"mai=
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<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: RV-Li=
st: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <<A hr=
ef"mailto:bob@hassel-usa.com">bob@hassel-usa.com</A>><BR><BR>No int=
ention to flame...<BR><BR>I believe the purpose of journalism is to repor=
t the facts. Not filter the<BR>facts based upon what one person or group
of individuals finds offensive.<BR><BR>do not archive<BR><BR>-----Origina=
l Message-----<BR>From: <A href"mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.=
com">owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com</A><BR><A href"mailto:[mailto:=
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com">[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronic=
s.com</A>]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell<BR>To: <A href"mailto:rv-list@matron=
ics.com">rv-list@matronics.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Acci=
dent in N TX<BR><BR><BR>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" &l=
t;<A href"mailto:jjewell@telus.net">jjewell@telus.net</A>><BR><BR>I=
t seems to me;<BR><BR>If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from anot=
her source? it just makes<BR>matters that much worse.<BR>Good journalism
should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not<BR>just pass it
on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and<BR>sensitivity of th=
e contents.<BR>In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves t=
he just as much<BR>harsh criticism as the chosen information source.<BR><=
BR>Jim in Kelowna<BR><BR>do not archive<BR><BR>----- Original Message ---=
--<BR>From: "Sam Buchanan" <<A href"mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net">sbuc@hi=
waay.net</A>><BR>To: <<A href"mailto:rv-list@matronics.com">rv-l=
ist@matronics.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N=
TX<BR><BR><BR>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <<A=
href"mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net">sbuc@hiwaay.net</A>><BR>><BR>>
The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in<BR>=
> the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the<=
BR>> original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.<B=
R>><BR>> <A href"http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S147182=
2">http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S1471822</A><BR>><BR>> Y=
our beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.<BR>><BR>> Sam Buchana=
n<BR>><BR>> <=
BR>><BR>> Clay R wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > --> RV-List me=
ssage posted by: Clay R <<A href"mailto:clayr_55@yahoo.com">clayr_5=
5@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> ><BR>> > I wrote an email to the edi=
tor at Aero-news regarding<BR>> > their story:<BR>> ><BR>>=
> >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash<BR>> &g=
t; in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)<BR>> > >Not only is the story poorly w=
ritten, I can't believe<BR>> > you'd be so insensitive to the famil=
y and friends of<BR>> > the couple to say their remains were scatte=
red about<BR>> > the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a<=
BR>> > student new to the world of journalism.<BR>> ><BR>>=
> >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV<BR>> &g=
t; (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it<BR>> > impl=
ies that this is the airplane that crashed.<BR>> ><BR>> > ---=
-------<BR>> ><BR>> > I then received the following two repli=
es!<BR>> ><BR>> > Note that the story clearly says the photo
of the RV-8<BR>> > is a FILE PHOTO.<BR>> ><BR>> > As fo=
r the style, we have a number of writers here,<BR>> > each with his=
own. I<BR>> > didn't write this story; but my policy is to not<BR>=
> > interfere, as long as the<BR>> > facts are correct. From
all appearances, they are.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for reading;
I hope others can learn from this<BR>> > horrible tragedy.<BR>>
><BR>> > Tim Kern<BR>> > Senior Editor,<BR>> ><BR>&g=
t; > The writer is a well-known and credentialed network<BR>> >
news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted<BR>> > (even
paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the<BR>> > photo is...=
if the accident seems gory, you have to<BR>> > remember that few a=
ccidents do not. The facts were<BR>> > widely reported in other med=
ia, as well, and your<BR>> > asking any member of the aviation medi=
a to bury its<BR>> > head in the sand (and expect us to actually do=
so)<BR>> > would be both irresponsible as well as less than<BR>>=
; > factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots<BR>> >=
; will read this, get the message, and get their acts<BR>> > togeth=
er. Every one of these we see only makes us more<BR>> > determined
to fly safer and more competently.<BR>> ><BR>> > BTW, the pic=
ture belongs to us, is used accurately,<BR>> > and is in fact, the
same model as that which<BR>> > crashed... so I wonder what gives y=
ou the right to<BR>> > tell us to remove it?<BR>> ><BR>> &=
gt; Jim<BR>> ><BR>> > ----------<BR>> ><BR>> > I
then replied to the first reply with the following:<BR>> ><BR>>
> MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE<BR>> > ACCI=
DENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD<BR>> > POSSIBLY BE AT=
THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't<BR>> > mean that the photo i=
s someone else's plane.<BR>> ><BR>> > Putting a photo of some=
one else's airplane (especially<BR>> > with a distinctive, one of a=
kind paint job like the<BR>> > Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to=
believe THAT<BR>> > airplane crashed and is misleading. If you wan=
t to<BR>> > include a photo of type... make it a generic looking<BR=
>> > one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!<BR>>
> That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his<BR>> > h=
ouse.<BR>> ><BR>> > Including the author's name would be a be=
nefit to your<BR>> > readers too. There should be some accountabili=
ty.<BR>> ><BR>> > -----<BR>> ><BR>> > Now I know
the kind of people that are running<BR>> > Aero-News network.<BR>&g=
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--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
> I am building a -4 and would like to
> see how some things are completed. If anyone would
> have the time, please let me know off line or call.
sorry 662 574 5210
Joel Graber
RV-4 finishing
Brooksville Ms
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
Now I see why I have not seen an issue an issue in over 5 yrs of waiting !
Ron
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> What you all need to remember is that Jim Campbell is the one running
> Aero-News
> He is a low life from the word go IMO. He used to publish the US Aviator
> magazine that went
> belly up and left a lot of people with no magazine that had subscribed.
> He was at Arlington
> one year taking subscriptions knowing he was going bankrupt. He has
> tried to sue all kinds
> of people that disagree with him.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Clay R wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
> >
> >I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> >their story:
> >
> >
> >
> >>What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> >>
> >>
> >in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> >
> >
> >>Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> >>
> >>
> >you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> >the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> >the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> >student new to the world of journalism.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> >>
> >>
> >(I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> >implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
> >
> >----------
> >
> >I then received the following two replies!
> >
> >
> >Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> >is a FILE PHOTO.
> >
> >As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> >each with his own. I
> >didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> >interfere, as long as the
> >facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
> >
> >Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> >horrible tragedy.
> >
> >Tim Kern
> >Senior Editor,
> >
> >
> >The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> >news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> >(even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> >photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> >remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> >widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> >asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> >head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> >would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> >factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> >will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> >together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> >determined to fly safer and more competently.
> >
> >BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> >and is in fact, the same model as that which
> >crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> >tell us to remove it?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >----------
> >
> >I then replied to the first reply with the following:
> >
> >
> >MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> >ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> >POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> >mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
> >
> >Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> >with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> >Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> >airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> >include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> >one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> >That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> >house.
> >
> >Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> >readers too. There should be some accountability.
> >
> >-----
> >
> >Now I know the kind of people that are running
> >Aero-News network.
> >
> >--Clay
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
I was surprised as anyone at how it was reported. My point was I don't
believe that news should filter what they are reporting. I also believe
that there is a reasonable way to report the news.
I have in the past not posted pictures on my web site that I have of post
accidents because I was sensitive to the feelings of those involved. It was
my website, my choice and my decision. However, I was not responsible for
reporting the news.
My comment was that I don't believe the news should be filtered which is
much different than the professionalism with which that news is reported. I
fear that too often in this day and age we are given a filtered purified
version meant to appease in the media or even worse a sensationalized
version meant to stir the couch potato's, instead of the facts as they truly
exist. In this case, I believe the reporting may have been over the edge of
what was necessary to report the tragedy.
However, I am fearful of living in a society that filtered what we heard.
Who decides what is worth hearing or saying or seeing. It is my right to
decide what is acceptable to me. In the end it is my choice whether or not
I use that web site as a source of news or put validity in what they say. I
think that's all any of us can decide. Do I bother to click my mouse and
support that site or not. We are all free (for now) to exercise that
freedom of choice. One way or another we can vote with our mice.
As I said it was not my intent to flame or inflame.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirsten Lacy
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kirsten Lacy" <klacy@totalaccess.net>
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"Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots will read this, get the
message, and get their acts together."
Please, please, tell me you are not suggesting to Mr. Woodard's family an=
d
friends that he did not have his act together.
This editor can couch it any way he wishes, it is their website, after al=
l,
but it is still nothing but shoddy reporting and lurid sensationalism. Ye=
s,
we would expect the media to go for the jugular, but not a site that is
purported to support the aviation community. If anything, I would think t=
hat
such a site would take a stand on the aviation community's behalf and
renounce the crap that is "widely reported in other media".
Kirsten Stugart Lacy
Diana Stugart Voytek
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
No intention to flame...
I believe the purpose of journalism is to report the facts. Not filter th=
e
facts based upon what one person or group of individuals finds offensive.=
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
It seems to me;
If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from another source? it just ma=
kes
matters that much worse.
Good journalism should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not
just pass it on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and
sensitivity of the contents.
In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves the just as much=
harsh criticism as the chosen information source.
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in
> the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the
> original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.
>
> http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S1471822
>
> Your beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
> Clay R wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
> > their story:
> >
> > >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
> > in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
> > >Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
> > you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
> > the couple to say their remains were scattered about
> > the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
> > student new to the world of journalism.
> >
> > >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
> > (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
> > implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then received the following two replies!
> >
> > Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
> > is a FILE PHOTO.
> >
> > As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
> > each with his own. I
> > didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
> > interfere, as long as the
> > facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
> >
> > Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
> > horrible tragedy.
> >
> > Tim Kern
> > Senior Editor,
> >
> > The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
> > news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
> > (even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
> > photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
> > remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
> > widely reported in other media, as well, and your
> > asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
> > head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
> > would be both irresponsible as well as less than
> > factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
> > will read this, get the message, and get their acts
> > together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
> > determined to fly safer and more competently.
> >
> > BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
> > and is in fact, the same model as that which
> > crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
> > tell us to remove it?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > I then replied to the first reply with the following:
> >
> > MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
> > ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
> > POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
> > mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
> >
> > Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
> > with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
> > Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
> > airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
> > include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
> > one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
> > That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
> > house.
> >
> > Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
> > readers too. There should be some accountability.
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Now I know the kind of people that are running
> > Aero-News network.
> >
> > --Clay
> >
>
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<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href"m=
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<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> Thursday, Oc=
tober 09, 2003 08:10:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href"mai=
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<DIV dirltr style"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: RV-Li=
st: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <<A hr=
ef"mailto:bob@hassel-usa.com">bob@hassel-usa.com</A>><BR><BR>No int=
ention to flame...<BR><BR>I believe the purpose of journalism is to repor=
t the facts. Not filter the<BR>facts based upon what one person or group
of individuals finds offensive.<BR><BR>do not archive<BR><BR>-----Origina=
l Message-----<BR>From: <A href"mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.=
com">owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com</A><BR><A href"mailto:[mailto:=
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com">[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronic=
s.com</A>]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell<BR>To: <A href"mailto:rv-list@matron=
ics.com">rv-list@matronics.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Acci=
dent in N TX<BR><BR><BR>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" &l=
t;<A href"mailto:jjewell@telus.net">jjewell@telus.net</A>><BR><BR>I=
t seems to me;<BR><BR>If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from anot=
her source? it just makes<BR>matters that much worse.<BR>Good journalism
should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not<BR>just pass it
on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and<BR>sensitivity of th=
e contents.<BR>In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves t=
he just as much<BR>harsh criticism as the chosen information source.<BR><=
BR>Jim in Kelowna<BR><BR>do not archive<BR><BR>----- Original Message ---=
--<BR>From: "Sam Buchanan" <<A href"mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net">sbuc@hi=
waay.net</A>><BR>To: <<A href"mailto:rv-list@matronics.com">rv-l=
ist@matronics.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N=
TX<BR><BR><BR>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <<A=
href"mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net">sbuc@hiwaay.net</A>><BR>><BR>>
The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in<BR>=
> the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the<=
BR>> original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.<B=
R>><BR>> <A href"http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S147182=
2">http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S1471822</A><BR>><BR>> Y=
our beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.<BR>><BR>> Sam Buchana=
n<BR>><BR>> <=
BR>><BR>> Clay R wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > --> RV-List me=
ssage posted by: Clay R <<A href"mailto:clayr_55@yahoo.com">clayr_5=
5@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> ><BR>> > I wrote an email to the edi=
tor at Aero-news regarding<BR>> > their story:<BR>> ><BR>>=
> >What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash<BR>> &g=
t; in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)<BR>> > >Not only is the story poorly w=
ritten, I can't believe<BR>> > you'd be so insensitive to the famil=
y and friends of<BR>> > the couple to say their remains were scatte=
red about<BR>> > the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a<=
BR>> > student new to the world of journalism.<BR>> ><BR>>=
> >Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV<BR>> &g=
t; (I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it<BR>> > impl=
ies that this is the airplane that crashed.<BR>> ><BR>> > ---=
-------<BR>> ><BR>> > I then received the following two repli=
es!<BR>> ><BR>> > Note that the story clearly says the photo
of the RV-8<BR>> > is a FILE PHOTO.<BR>> ><BR>> > As fo=
r the style, we have a number of writers here,<BR>> > each with his=
own. I<BR>> > didn't write this story; but my policy is to not<BR>=
> > interfere, as long as the<BR>> > facts are correct. From
all appearances, they are.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for reading;
I hope others can learn from this<BR>> > horrible tragedy.<BR>>
><BR>> > Tim Kern<BR>> > Senior Editor,<BR>> ><BR>&g=
t; > The writer is a well-known and credentialed network<BR>> >
news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted<BR>> > (even
paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the<BR>> > photo is...=
if the accident seems gory, you have to<BR>> > remember that few a=
ccidents do not. The facts were<BR>> > widely reported in other med=
ia, as well, and your<BR>> > asking any member of the aviation medi=
a to bury its<BR>> > head in the sand (and expect us to actually do=
so)<BR>> > would be both irresponsible as well as less than<BR>>=
; > factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots<BR>> >=
; will read this, get the message, and get their acts<BR>> > togeth=
er. Every one of these we see only makes us more<BR>> > determined
to fly safer and more competently.<BR>> ><BR>> > BTW, the pic=
ture belongs to us, is used accurately,<BR>> > and is in fact, the
same model as that which<BR>> > crashed... so I wonder what gives y=
ou the right to<BR>> > tell us to remove it?<BR>> ><BR>> &=
gt; Jim<BR>> ><BR>> > ----------<BR>> ><BR>> > I
then replied to the first reply with the following:<BR>> ><BR>>
> MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE<BR>> > ACCI=
DENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD<BR>> > POSSIBLY BE AT=
THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't<BR>> > mean that the photo i=
s someone else's plane.<BR>> ><BR>> > Putting a photo of some=
one else's airplane (especially<BR>> > with a distinctive, one of a=
kind paint job like the<BR>> > Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to=
believe THAT<BR>> > airplane crashed and is misleading. If you wan=
t to<BR>> > include a photo of type... make it a generic looking<BR=
>> > one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!<BR>>
> That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his<BR>> > h=
ouse.<BR>> ><BR>> > Including the author's name would be a be=
nefit to your<BR>> > readers too. There should be some accountabili=
ty.<BR>> ><BR>> > -----<BR>> ><BR>> > Now I know
the kind of people that are running<BR>> > Aero-News network.<BR>&g=
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| Subject: | Speaking of Instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I've been following the posts on the digital G-meter that Spruce sells
and is currently on back order. After many hours of research I had
planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep looking.
On another note, I'm looking at purchasing the AOA
http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm and I haven't placed the final
panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now before closing up the
wings can this be installed later?
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA.
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I've been following the posts on the
digital
G-meter that Spruce sells and is currently on back order. After many
hours of
research I had planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep
looking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>On another note, I'm looking at
purchasing the AOA
<A
href"http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm">http://www.angle-of-attac=
k.com/aoa.htm</A> and
I haven't placed the final panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now
before
closing up the wings can this be installed later?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Karie Daniel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>RV-7A QB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Sammamish,
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I think it will be much easier to do it before you close up the wings. I'm at this
stage right now. I've drilled and mounted the ports and I will route the sensing
tubes after I get the top skin riveted and before the bottom skin.
You can by this AOA in two subkits. The "A" kit just gives you the sensing ports
and plumbing and the "B" kit gives you the electronics. I've only purchased
the "A" kit since I won't need the electronics for a while.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
>
>I've been following the posts on the digital G-meter that Spruce sells
>and is currently on back order. After many hours of research I had
>planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep looking.
>
>On another note, I'm looking at purchasing the AOA
>http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm and I haven't placed the final
>panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now before closing up the
>wings can this be installed later?
>
>Thanks,
>Karie Daniel
>RV-7A QB
>Sammamish, WA.
>
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><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I've been following the posts on the
>digital
>G-meter that Spruce sells and is currently on back order. After many
>hours of
>research I had planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep
>looking.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>On another note, I'm looking at
>purchasing the AOA
><A
>href"http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm">http://www.angle-of-attac=
>k.com/aoa.htm</A>and
>I haven't placed the final panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now
>before
>closing up the wings can this be installed later?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Karie Daniel</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>RV-7A QB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Sammamish,
>WA.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>
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| Subject: | Speaking of Instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Karie,
I think it would be a lot easier to do it before you close up the wings, but
possible after.
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Lake Forest Park, WA
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
On another note, I'm looking at purchasing the AOA
http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm and I haven't placed the final
panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now before closing up the
wings can this be installed later?
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I wasn't aware that you could purchase the kit this way. Thanks for the
info, this was really the last thing I had been debating before closing the
wings up. I checked Vans and Spruce and they both seem to have just one part
number for the kit. Who did you purchase from that sells the subkits?
Thanks again,
Karie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Simmons" <>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Speaking of Instruments
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>
> I think it will be much easier to do it before you close up the wings. I'm
at this stage right now. I've drilled and mounted the ports and I will route
the sensing tubes after I get the top skin riveted and before the bottom
skin.
>
> You can by this AOA in two subkits. The "A" kit just gives you the sensing
ports and plumbing and the "B" kit gives you the electronics. I've only
purchased the "A" kit since I won't need the electronics for a while.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:26:23 -0700
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> >
> >
> >I've been following the posts on the digital G-meter that Spruce sells
> >and is currently on back order. After many hours of research I had
> >planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep looking.
> >
> >On another note, I'm looking at purchasing the AOA
> >http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm and I haven't placed the final
> >panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now before closing up the
> >wings can this be installed later?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Karie Daniel
> >RV-7A QB
> >Sammamish, WA.
> >
> ><HTML><HEAD>
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> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I've been following the posts on the
> >digital
> >G-meter that Spruce sells and is currently on back order. After many
> >hours of
> >research I had planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep
> >looking.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>On another note, I'm looking at
> >purchasing the AOA
> ><A
> >href"http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm">http://www.angle-of-attac=
> >k.com/aoa.htm</A>and
> >I haven't placed the final panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now
> >before
> >closing up the wings can this be installed later?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Karie Daniel</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>RV-7A QB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Sammamish,
> >WA.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>
>
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