Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Dynon G feature (Dana Overall)
2. 05:07 AM - Altrak thoughts (Wheeler North)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Larry Bowen)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: Dynon G feature (Larry Bowen)
5. 05:51 AM - Re: Altrak thoughts (Alex Peterson)
6. 05:54 AM - Landoll Balancer (Pat Perry)
7. 05:58 AM - Orndoff Videos For Sale (MSices)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Altrak thoughts (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
9. 07:09 AM - Re: V belt question (Elsa & Henry)
10. 07:55 AM - Re: Altrak thoughts (Ron Calhoun)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: RV STUFF FOR SALE (Rjcaptjoel@aol.com)
12. 10:33 AM - test (Jim Jewell)
13. 10:53 AM - test# 2 (Jim Jewell)
14. 10:58 AM - Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed (Charlie Kuss)
15. 11:32 AM - messages? (Jim Jewell)
16. 11:38 AM - Re: Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed (PittsS1@aol.com)
17. 12:20 PM - Re: messages? (David Burton)
18. 01:16 PM - Re: Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed (Pete Waters)
19. 03:21 PM - Re:Landoll balancer (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
20. 04:07 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (kempthornes)
21. 05:26 PM - closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips (Amit Dagan)
22. 07:38 PM - Re: List Verbosity... (Matt Dralle)
23. 07:42 PM - Re: messages? (lm4@juno.com)
24. 07:43 PM - Re: closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips (RGray67968@aol.com)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed (Jim Streit)
26. 09:59 PM - Bad Cat Aviation Site Update (Bad Cat Aviation)
27. 10:05 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Mark Phillips)
28. 10:09 PM - RV-8 Accident & my carelessness! (Mark Phillips)
29. 10:23 PM - MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord at a 25% Cost Savings (Garey Wittich)
30. 10:26 PM - MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord at a 25% Cost Savings (Garey Wittich)
31. 11:04 PM - Re: closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips (Darwin N. Barrie)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Larry, mine showed a MN 2 when I initially took it out of the box but once
reset I haven't seen it again. Call them up.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon G feature
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:30:38 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
>Yeah, I hold the button for two seconds and it shuts off. Or, if I
>throw thow the avionics master it also shuts down after counting down
>from 30 seconds using the internal battery. The whole time the unit is
>just sitting in the panel, experiencing nothing but 1 G. So nobody else
>is seeing this? Swell....
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:11 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon G feature
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
> >
> > Larry Wrote:
> > I've noticed that I can reset the G-meter on the Dynon, power
> > it off,back on, then the min G always reads "2.0". Is this a
> > bug or a featureI don't understand. I'm using the latest
> > software version.
> >
> > Larry,
> > How are you powering the unit off? I found that if you use
> > the power button (left most button for 2 seconds) rather than
> > just killing power, the Dynon does a much more orderly
> > shutdown. I think you "2.0" may be a value stored in memory
> > and using the power down button will rewrite to the memory
> > and take care of your problem. Alan Kritzman Cedar Rapids, IA
> > RV-8, Loving my Dynon
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Well,
while lying there in bed wide awake waiting for the new toy to arrive it
occured to me that there may be a gotcha in this unit. But before I describe
it I need to preface that I am theorizing here as I don't have the actual
unit to test this.
But, if one were to trim out at say 70kts level pitch and throttle, then
engage the Altrak and go to full power, then at 170kts one could disengage
the Altrak to see if the wings would come off. So my question is does the
drag or break out release let go when an aircraft is more than say 20kts out
of trim with respect to throttle setting? Or if this is adjustable, what do
you guys think would be a good setting for this. The test would be set it at
some altitude and add power, when the aircraft accelerates more then the
desired "setting" speed it should start slipping and the aircraft should
start climbing.
The issue is caused by the fact the power sets altitude and climb rates and
pitch sets airspeed, but the altrak causes you to use pitch for altitude. So
if you have significant throttle changes while engaged in alt hold then it
might get dicey when disengaging.
My intent here is not to bad mouth anything, I really don't know if this
could be an issue, but obviously I would like to know.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
I installed mine long after the wings were built. No problems.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Karie Daniel said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
>
> I've been following the posts on the digital G-meter that Spruce sells
> and is currently on back order. After many hours of research I had
> planned on buying the same. I guess I'll have to keep looking.
>
> On another note, I'm looking at purchasing the AOA
> http://www.angle-of-attack.com/aoa.htm and I haven't placed the final
> panel on the wings yet. Should I buy this now before closing up the
> wings can this be installed later?
>
> Thanks,
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A QB
> Sammamish, WA.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
They saw my original post and replied privately. Dynon can reproduce the
bug and said it would be fixed in a future software version.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Dana Overall said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Larry, mine showed a MN 2 when I initially took it out of the box but once
> reset I haven't seen it again. Call them up.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
>>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon G feature
>>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:30:38 -0400
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>>
>>Yeah, I hold the button for two seconds and it shuts off. Or, if I
>>throw thow the avionics master it also shuts down after counting down
>>from 30 seconds using the internal battery. The whole time the unit is
>>just sitting in the panel, experiencing nothing but 1 G. So nobody else
>>is seeing this? Swell....
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:11 PM
>> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon G feature
>> >
>> >
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>> >
>> > Larry Wrote:
>> > I've noticed that I can reset the G-meter on the Dynon, power
>> > it off,back on, then the min G always reads "2.0". Is this a
>> > bug or a featureI don't understand. I'm using the latest
>> > software version.
>> >
>> > Larry,
>> > How are you powering the unit off? I found that if you use
>> > the power button (left most button for 2 seconds) rather than
>> > just killing power, the Dynon does a much more orderly
>> > shutdown. I think you "2.0" may be a value stored in memory
>> > and using the power down button will rewrite to the memory
>> > and take care of your problem. Alan Kritzman Cedar Rapids, IA
>> > RV-8, Loving my Dynon
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> But, if one were to trim out at say 70kts level pitch and
> throttle, then engage the Altrak and go to full power, then
> at 170kts one could disengage the Altrak to see if the wings
> would come off. So my question is does the drag or break out
> release let go when an aircraft is more than say 20kts out of
> trim with respect to throttle setting? Or if this is
> adjustable, what do you guys think would be a good setting
> for this. The test would be set it at some altitude and add
> power, when the aircraft accelerates more then the desired
> "setting" speed it should start slipping and the aircraft
> should start climbing.
Wheeler, I'm not picking on you specifically, but why are so many
questions directed at the 1000 plus listers that could be simply a call
or email directly to the manufacturer? I suspect Jim Younkin could
answer this in his sleep.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 384 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Landoll Balancer |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
Does anyone have experience with both the 12 Lb ring and the 12 lb balancer
sold by Mark Landoll. I'm going to put one of them on my RV-4 and I'm not
sure if I should go the extra $300 and put on the balancer. My primary
reason for adding the part is to get some weight up front, I'm running a
wood prop and lightweight starter and could use some extra weight up front
when carrying a passenger to reduce pitch sensitivity. If the balancer
makes a big difference in vibration and idle speed i'll put it on.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
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| Subject: | Orndoff Videos For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "MSices" <msices@core.com>
For sale:
RV Prepunched Empennage T210 (VHS): List = $39.00
Step by step construction of the complete RV6/6A, RV7/7A and RV8/8A
empennage with prepunched skins. (3 hours)
----
RV7/8 Wing Construction T800 (VHS): List = $42.25
Construction of the RV wing for the RV7/7A and RV8/8A. This video details
jigs and construction of the wing, control surfaces and fuel tanks. (3 1/2
hours)
----
RV8 Fuselage Construction T900 (VHS): List = $43.50
Details the jigging and construction of an RV8 fuselage.
----
RV8 Finishing Kit T975 (VHS): List = $34.00
Shows the installation of the RV8 finishing kit. (2 hours)
----
Watching an Engine Rebuild V100 (VHS): List = $18.25
Shows what it takes to rebuild a Lycoming engine.
----
Aircraft Systems Installation T600 (VHS): List = $43.75
Covers basic aircraft systems - engine, fuel, oil, radios, electrical. (3
hours)
----
Aircraft Interior Installation T185 (VHS): List = $22.50
Will sell all 7 video sets for $170, plus $10 shipping anywhere in the US.
Michael Sices
RV8, Kenosha, WI
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
I had the same thoughts one night! Here is what I did, just because, I
would trim the aircraft for strait and level before setting the althold.
every now and then I would check the trim by turning off the unit. Since
this was not the trim sensitive unit I thought this was a good thing to do.
Yes the unit has a break out force, and just to keep from "ripping the wings
off" I always had the sick under control at the time of release. You can
also feel the trim and the resistance the unit is placing on the controls
before replace.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
Subject: RV-List: Altrak thoughts
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Well,
while lying there in bed wide awake waiting for the new toy to arrive it
occured to me that there may be a gotcha in this unit. But before I describe
it I need to preface that I am theorizing here as I don't have the actual
unit to test this.
But, if one were to trim out at say 70kts level pitch and throttle, then
engage the Altrak and go to full power, then at 170kts one could disengage
the Altrak to see if the wings would come off. So my question is does the
drag or break out release let go when an aircraft is more than say 20kts out
of trim with respect to throttle setting? Or if this is adjustable, what do
you guys think would be a good setting for this. The test would be set it at
some altitude and add power, when the aircraft accelerates more then the
desired "setting" speed it should start slipping and the aircraft should
start climbing.
The issue is caused by the fact the power sets altitude and climb rates and
pitch sets airspeed, but the altrak causes you to use pitch for altitude. So
if you have significant throttle changes while engaged in alt hold then it
might get dicey when disengaging.
My intent here is not to bad mouth anything, I really don't know if this
could be an issue, but obviously I would like to know.
W
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| Subject: | Re: V belt question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I also have Van's 30 amp alternator, but with the 4 inch dia. pulley as
obtained from Spruce some time ago. My engine is an 0-320 with the 149 tooth
ring gear and I am using a Gates 37" x .380" drive belt that fits just fine
with that pulley. Using the mounting brackets supplied in Van's kit, I found
that to align the alternator with the engine pulley, I had to install a 1/8"
thk. washer (fabricated of aluminum) between the pulley and the shaft hub's
shoulder.
An automotive impact wrench (as used by tire jockeys) is required to remove
the nut holding the pulley on to the alternator, wrapping it with an old
V-belt to hold it stationary while doing so. the same procedure is done to
re-install the nut over the new pulley.
Cheers!!------Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun" <roncal@earthlink.net>
Wheeler, I'm not picking on you specifically, but why are so many
questions directed at the 1000 plus listers that could be simply a call
or email directly to the manufacturer? I suspect Jim Younkin could
answer this in his sleep.
Because we (1000 or so listers) learn from questions we have not thought of
yet.
Ron Calhoun
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| Subject: | Re: RV STUFF FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rjcaptjoel@aol.com
What do the seats fit (RV4 I presume)
What color
how much
rjcaptjoel@aol.com
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2 FAMILY"SANSSERIF" FACE=
"Arial" LANG"0">What do the seats fit (RV4 I presume)<BR>
What color<BR>
how much<BR>
<BR>
rjcaptjoel@aol.com </FONT></HTML>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
test do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
test #2 do not archive
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| Subject: | Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charlie Kuss" <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
George/Becki,
I'm building an RV-8A which I plan to install one Jeff Rose electronic
ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not afford to purchase the unit
right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while I accumulate enough
cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the current draw, proper
gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate installing the
electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain a copy of
the installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small business and
doesn't have a web site with manuals online for download. Could you
suggest how I might obtain this info?
Charlie Kuss
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>George/Becki,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2> I'm building an RV-8A which I
plan to install
one Jeff Rose electronic ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not
afford to
purchase the unit right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while I
accumulate enough cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the
current
draw, proper gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate
installing the
electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain a copy of
the
installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small business and
doesn't have
a web site with manuals online for download. Could you suggest how I
might
obtain this info?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Charlie Kuss</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
I am noticing a sudden drop in rv-list message count. I have received
less than 10 messages in a time span that would commonly produce 100 or
more is there something going on that would cause this anomaly or is
this just an brief communal time out on the part of all or at least most
of the the rv-listers.
Do not archive
Jim in Kelowna
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I am noticing a sudden drop in rv-list
message
count. I have received less than 10 messages in a time span that would
commonly
produce 100 or more is there something going on that would cause
this
anomaly or is this just an brief communal time out on the
part of
all or at least most of the the rv-listers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Do not archive</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Jim in
Kelowna</FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: PittsS1@aol.com
just call jeff, hes a good guy
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2 FAMILY"SANSSERIF" FACE=
"Arial" LANG"0">just call jeff, hes a good guy</FONT></HTML>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
I see a reduction in the volume of messages too. I was wondering if
everybody was so sick of getting spam that they gave up on the list... I
know it doesn't come from the list, just email spam in general.
That said, I posted a message to the list a few days ago that never was
sent to my email address from the list. That has happened before in the
past. I looked at my sent mail and the address was correct. I know that
there are some messages that never get posted. I run a current anti-virus
program so I know my email is clean.
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Pete Waters <pedroagua@yahoo.com>
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Call Jeff at 423-622-8825 and he'll sell you a manual for $15.00. If you point
out that you're a potential customer, he might send you one for free.
There was an Electroair EIS-1 electronic ignition in my RV-4 when I bought it
63 flight hours ago and it's worked fine. One caveat though, which Jeff can
give you details on: his electronic ignitions don't play well with Skytec starters.
Something about them both needing a lot of juice (current, I believe)
in the first few milliseconds of the start. I have an old Bendix starter, so
it's not an issue.
Scanning my EIS manual, it appears that the systme needs a 10A circuit breaker
or fuse. I'm sure Jeff can give you details.
- Pedro
Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charlie Kuss"
George/Becki,
I'm building an RV-8A which I plan to install one Jeff Rose electronic
ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not afford to purchase the unit
right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while I accumulate enough
cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the current draw, proper
gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate installing the
electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain a copy of
the installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small business and
doesn't have a web site with manuals online for download. Could you
suggest how I might obtain this info?
Charlie Kuss
George/Becki,
I'm building an RV-8A which I
plan to install
one Jeff Rose electronic ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not
afford to
purchase the unit right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while I
accumulate enough cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the
current
draw, proper gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate
installing the
electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain a copy of
the
installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small business and
doesn't have
a web site with manuals online for download. Could you suggest how I
might
obtain this info?
Charlie Kuss
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<DIV>Call Jeff at 423-622-8825 and he'll sell you a manual for $15.00. If
you point out that you're a potential customer, he might send you one for free.</DIV>
<DIV> There was an Electroair EIS-1 electronic ignition in my RV-4 when I
bought it 63 flight hours ago and it's worked fine. One caveat though,
which Jeff can give you details on: his electronic ignitions don't play
well with Skytec starters. Something about them both needing a lot of juice
(current, I believe) in the first few milliseconds of the start. I have
an old Bendix starter, so it's not an issue.</DIV>
<DIV> Scanning my EIS manual, it appears that the systme needs a 10A circuit
breaker or fuse. I'm sure Jeff can give you details.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Pedro<BR><BR><B><I>Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">--> RV-List message posted by: "Charlie Kuss" <CHASKUSS@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR><BR><BR>George/Becki,<BR>I'm
building an RV-8A which I plan
to install one Jeff Rose electronic<BR>ignition on. Funds are tight so I can
not afford to purchase the unit<BR>right now. Currently, I am wiring my project
while I accumulate enough<BR>cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know
the current draw, proper<BR>gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate
installing the<BR>electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might
obtain a copy of<BR>the installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small
business and<BR>doesn't have a web site with manuals online for download. Could
you<BR>suggest how I might obtain this info?<BR>Charlie Kuss<BR><BR><BR>
<META nameGENERATOR 6.00.2800.1264? content?MSHTML><BR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT size2 faceArial>George/Becki,</FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT size2 faceArial> I'm building an RV-8A which I<BR>plan to install<BR>one
Jeff Rose electronic ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not<BR>afford
to<BR>purchase the unit right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while
I<BR>accumulate enough cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the<BR>current<BR>draw,
proper gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate<BR>installing
the<BR>electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain
a copy of<BR>the<BR>installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small
business and<BR>doesn't have<BR>a web site with manuals online for download.
Could you suggest how I<BR>might<BR>obtain this info?</FONT></DIV><BR>
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| Subject: | Re:Landoll balancer |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
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I have a Landoll Harmonic Dampner on my RV-4/Lyc. O-320-B3A, 150 HP. This
engine is conical mount and the dampner cut vibration considerably. I also put
on
the steel aerobatic plate.
I am happy with it and would do it again.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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<DIV><FONT faceVerdana>I have a Landoll Harmonic Dampner on my RV-4/Lyc.=20=
O-320-B3A, 150 HP. This engine is conical mount and the dampner cut vibratio=
n considerably. I also put on the steel aerobatic plate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceVerdana>I am happy with it and would do it again.</FONT></=
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| Subject: | Maximizing Range |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Why don't we check the archives? I'm sure there is more but I got
interested by this web site pointed out by Randy Lervold
http://www.auf.asn.au/groundschool/umodule2.html#vspeed
I didn't know there was a V speed abbreviation for best range speed. This
describes it as L/D max where altitude is such that power is at about 55%
with full throttle. Of course, winds, wobbly headings and altitudes etc
need to be considered.
I was thinking my RV6a was max L/D at about 110 knots IAS. Not too slow if
done at 55% & WOT. Under such conditions engine could be leaned just
short of quitting.
Hal Kempthorne - RV6a
At 04:58 PM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> > Fly at maximum L/D?
> >
> >
> > K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
>
>Interesting thought, Hal. That IS where the minimum power is needed.
>However, the engine efficiency is probably pretty crummy at that low
>power setting. (Also, mine would overheat at that speed, something like
>80 knots.) To get maximum range, the efficiency of the fuel burned must
>compromise with the power needed. If I had to guess, best range would be
>somewhere in the 100 - 120 kias range, but the number of hours one would
>be in the cockpit at max endurance wouldn't be fun. Sounds like a fun
>series of tests to try. One of the biggest factors in those tests would
>be leaning.
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| Subject: | closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
Question:
Is there any aerodynamic reason to close the aft face of the horizontal and
vertical tips ?
I know it looks nicer, and maybe keeps critters out of there, but I would
rather save the weight and time if there is no aerodynamic reason.
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: List Verbosity... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Hi Listers,
A couple of people today wrote to say that it seemed like there has been a
lower volume of traffic lately. According to the RV-List Digest for
yesterday, there were 43 messages posted, which is about normal.
The new SPAM filter went in a couple of weeks ago, so I always get really
nervous when people start saying traffic is down. If your message didn't
get posted, please use the "Trouble-Report" web form (Link at the bottom
of this message) to report the problem. *Please* include as much
information as possible about the message including exacting times it was
sent, and any bounces or returns you might have gotten.
Speaking of the SPAM filter, its been working really well; over 75% of the
email sent to the Matronics server is classified as SPAM. There ought to
be a law...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
Re: RV-List Digest: 43 Msgs - 10/09/03
RV-List Digest Archive
---
Total Messages Posted Thu 10/09/03: 43
Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 02:23 AM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Mickey Coggins)
2. 03:11 AM - Re: A&P (Jim Sears)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: GRT EFIS (Dana Overall)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Jerry Calvert)
5. 05:07 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Brian Denk)
6. 05:25 AM - Re: Maximizing Range (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
7. 05:29 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (RV6 Flyer)
8. 06:16 AM - V belt question (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
9. 06:21 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (RV_8 Pilot)
10. 06:30 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Scott Bilinski)
11. 06:56 AM - Dynon (Wheeler North)
12. 06:59 AM - New Integrated LED Position Lights & Landing Lights
(Bill VonDane)
13. 06:59 AM - Re: Maximizing Range (Eustace Bowhay)
14. 07:40 AM - Re: Dynon mag update (Sam Buchanan)
15. 08:04 AM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Ken Simmons)
16. 08:11 AM - Integrated LED Position Lights (Bill Dube)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Rob Prior)
18. 09:54 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Clay R)
19. 10:11 AM - Re: Dynon G feature (N13eer@aol.com)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Boss)
21. 11:45 AM - Looking for Hobby Air respirator (Robert E. Newhall II)
22. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Sam Buchanan)
23. 12:17 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (kempthornes)
24. 01:16 PM - Re: V belt question (Sam Buchanan)
25. 02:31 PM - Re: Dynon G feature (Larry Bowen)
26. 02:48 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (Tedd McHenry)
27. 02:58 PM - Re: Maximizing Range (Alex Peterson)
28. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Jim Jewell)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: V belt question (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic
Club)
30. 05:05 PM - Re: G meter and turn coordinator(long) (Phil Birkelbach)
31. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Bob Hassel)
32. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Jerry Springer)
33. 06:28 PM - Maximizing Range (David.vonLinsowe)
34. 06:31 PM - ECI TITAN Engine (Dennis Parker)
35. 06:44 PM - RV List (smoothweasel@juno.com)
36. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Kirsten Lacy)
37. 07:08 PM - Rv List (smoothweasel@juno.com)
38. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Ron Walker)
39. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Bob Hassel)
40. 09:30 PM - Speaking of Instruments (Karie Daniel)
41. 09:51 PM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Ken Simmons)
42. 10:17 PM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Terry Watson)
43. 11:12 PM - Re: Speaking of Instruments (Karie Daniel)
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--> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
TEST
I seem to have the same lack of mail. I have a lot more posts from
the fly rotary group than the RV-list. Very strange !
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
do not archive
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:28:12 -0700 "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
>
> I see a reduction in the volume of messages too. I was wondering if
> everybody was so sick of getting spam that they gave up on the
> list... I
> know it doesn't come from the list, just email spam in general.
>
> That said, I posted a message to the list a few days ago that never
> was
> sent to my email address from the list. That has happened before in
> the
> past. I looked at my sent mail and the address was correct. I know
> that
> there are some messages that never get posted. I run a current
> anti-virus
> program so I know my email is clean.
>
>
>
=
>
=
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips |
at.a.big.ISP@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
-------------------------------1065832859
Answer - NO - but I did all my control surfaces :^) and would do it again.
I think you already knew this answer - grin - Save the 1/4 pound and the 2
hours and Press On!
Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
do not archive
Question:
Is there any aerodynamic reason to close the aft face of the horizontal and
vertical tips ?
I know it looks nicer, and maybe keeps critters out of there, but I would
rather save the weight and time if there is no aerodynamic reason.
Thanks.
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<DIV>Answer - NO - but I did all my control surfaces :^) and would do it aga=
in. </DIV>
<DIV>I think you already knew this answer - grin - Save the 1/4 pound and th=
e 2 hours and Press On!</DIV>
<DIV>Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm</DIV>
<DIV>do not archive</DIV>
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2px solid"><FONT faceArial>Question:<BR>Is there any aerodynamic reason t=
o close the aft face of the horizontal and <BR>vertical tips ?<BR>I know it=20=
looks nicer, and maybe keeps critters out of there, but I would <BR>rather s=
ave the weight and time if there is no aerodynamic reason.<BR>Thanks.</FONT>=
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition Installation info needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Streit <wooody04@bellsouth.net>
Charlie, contact Jody Edwards and I'm sure he can supply the details....
Jim Streit
90073
fuse
Charlie Kuss wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Charlie Kuss" <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>George/Becki,
> I'm building an RV-8A which I plan to install one Jeff Rose electronic
>ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not afford to purchase the unit
>right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while I accumulate enough
>cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the current draw, proper
>gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate installing the
>electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain a copy of
>the installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small business and
>doesn't have a web site with manuals online for download. Could you
>suggest how I might obtain this info?
>Charlie Kuss
>
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><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>George/Becki,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2> I'm building an RV-8A which I
>plan to install
>one Jeff Rose electronic ignition on. Funds are tight so I can not
>afford to
>purchase the unit right now. Currently, I am wiring my project while I
>accumulate enough cash to purchase my finish kit. I need to know the
>current
>draw, proper gauge of wire for the power feed, etc. to accomodate
>installing the
>electronic ignition later on. Do you know where I might obtain a copy of
>the
>installation manual for this product? Jeff is a small business and
>doesn't have
>a web site with manuals online for download. Could you suggest how I
>might
>obtain this info?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Charlie Kuss</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bad Cat Aviation Site Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bad Cat Aviation <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
--0-786046813-1065848309=:58856
Hello fellow listers
I decided that building a great website was harder than building my RV-8. So I
hired a graphic artist to spruce up the place a little. Of course, it has an
RV influence. Tell me what you think.
Rob Miller N262RM "Bad Cat" 150 hours
visit us at www.badcataviation.com
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<DIV>Hello fellow listers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I decided that building a great website was harder than building my RV-8.
So I hired a graphic artist to spruce up the place a little. Of course,
it has an RV influence. Tell me what you think.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rob Miller N262RM "Bad Cat" 150 hours</DIV>
<DIV>visit us at <A href="http://www.badcataviation.com">www.badcataviation.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Also no flame intended, but this smacks more of editorialist than
journalism... AvWeb's defensive response sounds too much like they are
trying to make a "point" with total insensitivity to those directly
affected- FWIW, even I don't do a cut&paste when harvesting material for
my Chapter's newsletter- I ALWAYS edit any material for the suitability
of the audience (and to avoid blatant plagiarism), and try to leave the
"preaching" to the editorial page- AvWeb claims they are a "news"
service...............
From the PossumWorks in TN
Chapter 1321 Newsletter editor Mark Phillips - do not archive -
Bob Hassel wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
>
> No intention to flame...
>
> I believe the purpose of journalism is to report the facts. Not filter the
> facts based upon what one person or group of individuals finds offensive.
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> It seems to me;
>
> If in fact the story was "lifted" 'as is' from another source? it just makes
> matters that much worse.
> Good journalism should filter out the crude nature of such a report, not
> just pass it on without full scrutiny as to accuracy of facts and
> sensitivity of the contents.
> In my mind this is one case where the messenger deserves the just as much
> harsh criticism as the chosen information source.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>The Aero-News story was lifted from a KLTV report that was written in
>>the locality of the accident. The phrasing you reference was in the
>>original article on KLTV's web site, not original to Aero-News.
>>
>>http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1471822
>>
>>Your beef is with a TV station, not Aero-News.
>>
>>Sam Buchanan
>>
>>==================
>>
>>Clay R wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>I wrote an email to the editor at Aero-news regarding
>>>their story:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What a terrible story you published on the RV8 crash
>>>>
>>>in Texas. (Wed, Oct 8)
>>>
>>>>Not only is the story poorly written, I can't believe
>>>>
>>>you'd be so insensitive to the family and friends of
>>>the couple to say their remains were scattered about
>>>the crash site. Sounds like this was written by a
>>>student new to the world of journalism.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Also, please REMOVE the picture of someone else's RV
>>>>
>>>(I believe he's from Tulsa) from the story.... as it
>>>implies that this is the airplane that crashed.
>>>
>>>----------
>>>
>>>I then received the following two replies!
>>>
>>>Note that the story clearly says the photo of the RV-8
>>>is a FILE PHOTO.
>>>
>>>As for the style, we have a number of writers here,
>>>each with his own. I
>>>didn't write this story; but my policy is to not
>>>interfere, as long as the
>>>facts are correct. From all appearances, they are.
>>>
>>>Thanks for reading; I hope others can learn from this
>>>horrible tragedy.
>>>
>>>Tim Kern
>>>Senior Editor,
>>>
>>>The writer is a well-known and credentialed network
>>>news-writer. The file photo attribute is easily noted
>>>(even paranthetically) and spells out clearly what the
>>>photo is... if the accident seems gory, you have to
>>>remember that few accidents do not. The facts were
>>>widely reported in other media, as well, and your
>>>asking any member of the aviation media to bury its
>>>head in the sand (and expect us to actually do so)
>>>would be both irresponsible as well as less than
>>>factual. Accidents are awful... and I hope that pilots
>>>will read this, get the message, and get their acts
>>>together. Every one of these we see only makes us more
>>>determined to fly safer and more competently.
>>>
>>>BTW, the picture belongs to us, is used accurately,
>>>and is in fact, the same model as that which
>>>crashed... so I wonder what gives you the right to
>>>tell us to remove it?
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>----------
>>>
>>>I then replied to the first reply with the following:
>>>
>>>MOST READERS WILL ASSUME IT IS A FILE PHOTO OF THE
>>>ACCIDENT AIRPLANE. (THAT'S THE ONLY KIND IT COULD
>>>POSSIBLY BE AT THIS POINT) Saying FILE PHOTO doesn't
>>>mean that the photo is someone else's plane.
>>>
>>>Putting a photo of someone else's airplane (especially
>>>with a distinctive, one of a kind paint job like the
>>>Tulsa RV8) will only lead people to believe THAT
>>>airplane crashed and is misleading. If you want to
>>>include a photo of type... make it a generic looking
>>>one that won't be identified with a particular pilot!
>>>That poor guy is probably getting flowers sent to his
>>>house.
>>>
>>>Including the author's name would be a benefit to your
>>>readers too. There should be some accountability.
>>>
>>>-----
>>>
>>>Now I know the kind of people that are running
>>>Aero-News network.
>>>
>>>--Clay
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-8 Accident & my carelessness! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Sorry folks- didn't mean to say AvWeb- Aero-News was the intended
target! AvWeb is much less "colorful" in their reporting!!!!
My apologies to y'all & AvWeb- Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord at a 25% Cost Savings |
rocket-list@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
I have some "Brand New" (in original packaging)
MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord, Type 2 (Polyester / Hi
Temp), Finish C (Synthetic Rubber or Elastomer), Size
3 (50 lb min strength; 0.085: wide x 0.014" thick).
This Cord is used extensively by avionic shops and
airframe manufactures to tie individual electrical
wires into bundles for their avionics, etc.
* Least expensive way to make wire bundles.
* Will not cut into wires like Dental Floss used
by some Builders, as it is "flat"
* Higher Temp Rating (-73 Deg C to 177 Deg C) than
Type 1 (-55 Deg C to 121 Deg C) that is
sold by Aircraft Spruce and Chief Aircraft for
$21 per spool.
* Each Spool contains 500 yards of White or Blue
Polyester Cord. (Share with other Builders)
* Excellent "Knot" retention.
* See: www.versatileindustrial.com/gudebrod.html
for additional info.
* Will sell for $15 per Spool - includes shipping
in the US.
If interested E-Mail me off line at:
gareywittich2000@yahoo.com
__________________________________
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| Subject: | MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord at a 25% Cost Savings |
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--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
I have some "Brand New" (in original packaging)
MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord, Type 2 (Polyester / Hi
Temp), Finish C (Synthetic Rubber or Elastomer), Size
3 (50 lb min strength; 0.085: wide x 0.014" thick).
This Cord is used extensively by avionic shops and
airframe manufactures to tie individual electrical
wires into bundles for their avionics, etc.
* Least expensive way to make wire bundles.
* Will not cut into wires like Dental Floss used
by some Builders, as it is "flat"
* Higher Temp Rating (-73 Deg C to 177 Deg C) than
Type 1 (-55 Deg C to 121 Deg C) that is
sold by Aircraft Spruce and Chief Aircraft for
$21 per spool.
* Each Spool contains 500 yards of White or Blue
Polyester Cord. (Share with other Builders)
* Excellent "Knot" retention.
* See: www.versatileindustrial.com/gudebrod.html
for additional info.
* Will sell for $15 per Spool - includes shipping
in the US.
If interested E-Mail me off line at:
gareywittich2000@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
When visiting Oshkosh I looked at every RV there. The vast majority had the
closures. The really nice ones had the glass work faired in nicely.
I chose to fair mine in for a few reasons, 1) I like the appearance, 2) Any
aerodynamic improvement is beneficial, 3) The weight gain is negligible 4)
The process can occur a little at a time, i.e, work on it for a while then
move on to something else and come back to it when you feel like it. I'd say
the elevator and stab glass work, faired in and ready for primer, took a
total of about 6 hours over the course of a month.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: closing the eft face of the HS and VS fiberglass tips
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
>
> Question:
> Is there any aerodynamic reason to close the aft face of the horizontal
and
> vertical tips ?
> I know it looks nicer, and maybe keeps critters out of there, but I would
> rather save the weight and time if there is no aerodynamic reason.
> Thanks.
>
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