Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:39 AM - Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch (RV_8 Pilot)
2. 07:04 AM - Pitot tube cost almost doubled! (Jeff Dowling)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: tach signal switch for Grand Rapids Technology EIS engine monitor (Ken Stribling)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: Pitot tube cost almost doubled! (Hal Rozema)
5. 09:15 AM - Skytech (JNice51355@aol.com)
6. 10:05 AM - Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch (Bob)
7. 10:17 AM - Las Cruces... (Bill VonDane)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch ()
9. 12:08 PM - Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch (Elsa & Henry)
10. 12:29 PM - Re: Pitot tube cost almost doubled! (Dan Checkoway)
11. 02:01 PM - F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (BillRVSIX@aol.com)
12. 03:08 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (Jim Jewell)
13. 05:03 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (Jeff Orear)
14. 05:20 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (Jeff Orear)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (BillRVSIX@aol.com)
16. 07:09 PM - ELT in wingtip (Jim Bean)
17. 08:18 PM - Re: ELT in wingtip (Gil Alexander)
18. 08:27 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (Jim Jewell)
19. 08:34 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (Pat Hatch)
20. 08:57 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (Pat Hatch)
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| Subject: | Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch |
FROM_HAS_UNDERLINE_NUMS
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Trouble free after 3+ yrs and 550 hrs on my SkyTec. Engine dynamically
balanced to close tolerance during most of that time as well. Helpful &
polite on the phone the times I've called with general questions.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
>From: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec flyweight starter glitch
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:05:24 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
>
>Hand Prop? I hardly think that is a "recommendation" for running with a
>SkyTec starter - I have been using one in my Grumman for years (as well as
>others in the "gang") without any such concerns. I have found Skytec to be
>totally up and able to work with any concerns that users of their product
>may have.
>
>That's my experience.
>
>Ron
online from McAfee.
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| Subject: | Pitot tube cost almost doubled! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Has anyone noticed the cost of pitot tubes lately? They're almost double what
they were last year!! I've heard there is only one guy in town now so he can
charge whatever he wants.
If you're nearing the point in construction where you want to get one, I would
suggest salvage. If you can wait, Gretz Aero is working on making one but doesnt
have it ready yet.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A almost
Chicago/Louisville
ps I hate baffling
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| Subject: | Re: tach signal switch for Grand Rapids Technology EIS engine |
monitor
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Stribling" <ken@soundsuckers.com>
When I put mine in a couple years back mine was reading way fat on the mag
and I believe I had to set the pulses to 1.5 for it to read right. don't now
about the Light speed
----- Original Message -----
From: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
Subject: RV-List: tach signal switch for Grand Rapids Technology EIS engine
monitor
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
>
> I have a magneto on the left side and a Lightspeed on the right side. I
> installed a selector switch to send either the Lightspeed tach signal or
the
> mag p-lead signal (thru a resistor as specified in the EIS instructions)
to
> the EIS tach input. I have set the EIS to 2 pulses per revolution which is
> what the Lightspeed sends (and I assume the mag as well since a plug is
> fired every 180 degrees of crank rotation). I'm not getting any tach
reading
> from the Lightspeed and the mag signal gives a tach reading which is too
low
> (but I'm not sure if it is half of actual).
>
> Has anyone else gotten this arrangement to work?
>
> Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? I have already talked to
Klaus
> at Lightspeed and Greg at Grand Rapids and they just pointed the finger at
> the other guy or at my wiring. I have checked my wiring thoroughly.
>
> Note: Last week I posted about this problem as well as a problem with the
> oil temp and pressure readings on the EIS. After a week of trouble
shooting,
> it was finally determined that the oil temp and pressure problems were
> caused by an incorrect software version in the EIS. The software was for a
> Jabiru engine rather than a Lycoming! Greg sent a new chip with the
correct
> software for a Lycoming and that solved 2 out of 3 of my EIS problems but
> still no luck on the tach.
>
> Chris Heitman
> Dousman WI
> RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
> http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube cost almost doubled! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
All you need is a 1/8" tube pointed into the airstream and tubing run to the back
of the ASI
Jeff Dowling wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Has anyone noticed the cost of pitot tubes lately? They're almost double what
they were last year!! I've heard there is only one guy in town now so he can
charge whatever he wants.
>
> If you're nearing the point in construction where you want to get one, I would
suggest salvage. If you can wait, Gretz Aero is working on making one but
doesnt have it ready yet.
>
> Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A almost
> Chicago/Louisville
>
> ps I hate baffling
>
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at.a.big.ISP@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
Folks
Now I know that a stock 150hp Cherokee probably does not have the same level
of power(pronounced vibration) that many RV's have, but I've had good luck
with the lightweight starter for the past three years and about 450hrs. I fly
Young Eagles, so "lots" of starts with that starter for those 20min. intros.
Still working an that 6A. Some time down the road I'll have a chance to see if
my luck with Skytech will change or not.
Jim Nice
Arlington, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared2@brier.net>
>
>Trouble free after 3+ yrs and 550 hrs on my SkyTec. Engine dynamically
>balanced to close tolerance during most of that time as well. Helpful &
>polite on the phone the times I've called with general questions.
At 71 hours I had a total failure of my Sky Tec starter. Sent it back to
SkyTec, it was still under warranty. They told me that the starter failed
due to kickback and that my mags needed to be timed, and warranty does not
cover engine kickbacks. It cost me $135 for shipping and repair.
Retimed mags put starter back on I0-360 A1A, it failed again after 90 more
minutes of flying, about 3 more starts. I now have a 35 year old Delco
Remy starter, never have any kickbacks, no starter failure, engine always
starts, no soloniod problems. I am happy!
SkyTec has told me that their starter does not work because I will not
properly time the mags. I had a qualified A&P with IA do it two times, and
the engine still kickbacks with the starter. SkyTec knows this is a
problem and they can not fix it, that is why it is not covered in the
warranty.
Yes I found SkyTec to be helpful and polite on the phone, but they refuse
to acknowledge the problem. But, they will repair the starter as long as I
pay for it.
Give me a good used Delco Remy any day! The Delco Remy cost the same as
repair work on the SkyTec.
Bob
RV-6 NightFighter
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hi all...
I am going to LOE and have an empty seat, and a room at the Hampton... If there
is someone that can meet me at 00V (Colorado Springs) or I can pickup on the
way, let me know! I'm planning on leaving on Friday 8:00 AM and heading back
on Sunday AM...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
work: 719-540-1997
cell" 719-510-0854
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| Subject: | Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch |
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
Bob,
Does your starter arrangement ground any non-impulse mag during start
(i.e. required grounding strap on ACS keyswitch, toggles arranged to
lockout mag during starter engagement, etc)? If the non-impulse mag is
not grounded during start, you will get kickback and the lighter weight
starters can fail quickly.
Just askin'....
Rob Acker (RV-6 w/Skytec no troubles to date)
do not archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared2@brier.net>
>
>
>>
>>Trouble free after 3+ yrs and 550 hrs on my SkyTec. Engine dynamically
>> balanced to close tolerance during most of that time as well. Helpful
>> & polite on the phone the times I've called with general questions.
>
> At 71 hours I had a total failure of my Sky Tec starter. Sent it back
> to SkyTec, it was still under warranty. They told me that the starter
> failed due to kickback and that my mags needed to be timed, and
> warranty does not cover engine kickbacks. It cost me $135 for shipping
> and repair.
>
> Retimed mags put starter back on I0-360 A1A, it failed again after 90
> more minutes of flying, about 3 more starts. I now have a 35 year old
> Delco Remy starter, never have any kickbacks, no starter failure,
> engine always starts, no soloniod problems. I am happy!
>
> SkyTec has told me that their starter does not work because I will not
> properly time the mags. I had a qualified A&P with IA do it two times,
> and the engine still kickbacks with the starter. SkyTec knows this is
> a problem and they can not fix it, that is why it is not covered in the
> warranty.
>
> Yes I found SkyTec to be helpful and polite on the phone, but they
> refuse to acknowledge the problem. But, they will repair the starter
> as long as I pay for it.
>
> Give me a good used Delco Remy any day! The Delco Remy cost the same as
> repair work on the SkyTec.
>
> Bob
> RV-6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Bob,
Re your starter problem, I recall Ken Scott at Van's writing something about
the kick-back and timing problems in an RVator some time back. Suggest you
contact him for the information, as I can't remember the details because it
didn't apply to my engine as I also have the Delco-Remy unit going strong.
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube cost almost doubled! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> All you need is a 1/8" tube pointed into the airstream and tubing run to
the back of the ASI
...and some way to heat it if you fly IFR. If only it was that simple. 8-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
Hello quick question IM ready to rivet on the F-6112 top skin and I have read
in the archives that it should be left off or cleco on until the sliding
canopy has been fitted but dose not say why. Can someone tell me why I shouldn't
rivet it on yet. The canopy is not do for a couple of months. Thanks
Bill Higgins
RV-6
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Bill,
If you have fitted al the mechanics and wiring etc. and the last thing to be
done is rivet the skin on in prep for installing the windshield go ahead on
it.
If not and if you don't have any negative thoughts About fitting a lot of
mechanical and wiring stuff while laying upside down head first under there,
start riveting ......?
I have mine fitted but have left it off while doing all the stuff mentioned
above.
I think I would have died in there otherwise. Laying under automotive dash
boards is most likely how I got this damned arthritic back in the first
place.
I think out fitting behind and under the panel is the prime reason for hold
off on riveting the top skin.
Even then I just know I will have to go in there later for some reason or
other.
Happy building,
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillRVSIX@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question.
> --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
> Hello quick question IM ready to rivet on the F-6112 top skin and I have
read
> in the archives that it should be left off or cleco on until the sliding
> canopy has been fitted but dose not say why. Can someone tell me why I
shouldn't
> rivet it on yet. The canopy is not do for a couple of months. Thanks
>
> Bill Higgins
>
> RV-6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Bill:
You did not mention if you are building a tip-up or slider canopy. I can
only speak for the slider.
I left mine un-riveted until I had my canopy frame in place. This gave me a
chance to trim the skin to match the contour of the rear canopy frame bows.
Also, make sure you have all your wiring runs that will go to the aft of the
fuselage in place so you do not have to crawl back there later after that
skin is on.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
finish kit.....ready to make "the big canopy cut"....
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillRVSIX@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question.
> --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
> Hello quick question IM ready to rivet on the F-6112 top skin and I have
read
> in the archives that it should be left off or cleco on until the sliding
> canopy has been fitted but dose not say why. Can someone tell me why I
shouldn't
> rivet it on yet. The canopy is not do for a couple of months. Thanks
>
> Bill Higgins
>
> RV-6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Bill:
After further review, I see you did mention you are building a slider.....
Musta had a longer day than I thought! DOH!!!
Do Not Archive
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
finish kit
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
I have left the forward skin off and all ready did the panel and wiring. The
skin that's behind the baggage area is the one I am preferring to. Something
about mounting the slider that people have suggested that you leave the top
forward skin 6112 clecoed on until slider is fitted. Other than the cutting the
final shape of the skin which I can do with most of the skin riveted on. just
wondering what the other reasons might be. Thanks
Bill
RV6
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean <jim-bean@att.net>
What does the list think about putting the ELT in the wingtip of a metal
AC. It's the only place "inside" where it can radiate. It would seem
that the ELT would see the same deceleration as if in the fuselage. Also
the wings often survive better that the fuselage, particularly if they
are pulled off. The only problem I see is that the wingtip would have to
be removed once a year to change the batteries.
I have never seen this done so suspect that there MUST be something
wrong with it. :)
Jim Bean
RV-8
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| Subject: | Re: ELT in wingtip |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Jim,
It would be between you and your DAR over meeting this section
of FAR 91-207...
"(b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this
section must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the
probability of damage to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is
minimized. Fixed and deployable automatic type transmitters must be
attached to the airplane as far aft as practicable."
My interpretation would say no....
....gil in Tucson
At 10:05 PM 10/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean <jim-bean@att.net>
>
>What does the list think about putting the ELT in the wingtip of a metal
>AC. It's the only place "inside" where it can radiate. It would seem
>that the ELT would see the same deceleration as if in the fuselage. Also
>the wings often survive better that the fuselage, particularly if they
>are pulled off. The only problem I see is that the wingtip would have to
>be removed once a year to change the batteries.
>I have never seen this done so suspect that there MUST be something
>wrong with it. :)
>Jim Bean
>RV-8
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Bill,
Well I guess I droped the ball on that one Bill. Sorry about that.
I fitted and riveted that skin before doing any of the canopy fitting on my
slider.
Maybe someone out there will have a rational for riveting after slider
fitting.
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillRVSIX@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question.
> --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
> I have left the forward skin off and all ready did the panel and wiring.
The
> skin that's behind the baggage area is the one I am preferring to.
Something
> about mounting the slider that people have suggested that you leave the
top
> forward skin 6112 clecoed on until slider is fitted. Other than the
cutting the
> final shape of the skin which I can do with most of the skin riveted on.
just
> wondering what the other reasons might be. Thanks
>
> Bill
> RV6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Bill, I'll try to take a shot at this...the windscreen support bar gets
anchored to the center rib by a couple of AN3 bolts, I believe. When you
mount the windscreen, you will also mount the support bar and then drill in
assembly with the center rib. Somewhere in here you need to slot the top
skin for the support bar. The top skin will come on and off several times
during this process...so don't rivet it on yet. Actually, I would wait as
long as possible before riveting this skin...you will need access for
wiring, etc. all the way to the end and it gets to be a real pain to get
behind the panel once the top skin is on. What you will find when you
finally rivet it on is that you will have to use lots of the MK 319 rivets
because access for a bucking bar is almost impossible in many places. You
will need to seal these rivets to make things water tight.
Hope this helps.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillRVSIX@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question.
> --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
> Hello quick question IM ready to rivet on the F-6112 top skin and I have
read
> in the archives that it should be left off or cleco on until the sliding
> canopy has been fitted but dose not say why. Can someone tell me why I
shouldn't
> rivet it on yet. The canopy is not do for a couple of months. Thanks
>
> Bill Higgins
>
> RV-6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
OK, I guess you meant the rear top skin....sorry, I thought it was the
forward top skin. Anyway, I went ahead and riveted the F-6112 prior to
fitting the canopy without any problems. You will probably need to trim
away a lot of the forward part where it curves as you fit the canopy,
otherwise you should have no problems. Actually, I don't think you can fit
the rear canopy skirts properly without riveting the F-6112 skin first.
Good luck.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillRVSIX@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question.
> --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
> Hello quick question IM ready to rivet on the F-6112 top skin and I have
read
> in the archives that it should be left off or cleco on until the sliding
> canopy has been fitted but dose not say why. Can someone tell me why I
shouldn't
> rivet it on yet. The canopy is not do for a couple of months. Thanks
>
> Bill Higgins
>
> RV-6
>
>
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