---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/15/03: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:18 AM - Re: Pitot tube cost almost doubled! (Jeff Dowling) 2. 06:43 AM - Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (James E. Clark) 3. 07:34 AM - Re: ELT in wingtip (Charles Rowbotham) 4. 07:41 AM - Re: ELT in wingtip (Bill Dube) 5. 08:07 AM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (Sam Buchanan) 6. 08:15 AM - Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch (Cy Galley) 7. 08:43 AM - Primer Paint - RV10 (Conti, Rick) 8. 09:35 AM - Off topic... Yokesters Email List... (Bill VonDane) 9. 10:05 AM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (James E. Clark) 10. 10:07 AM - Re: ELT in wingtip (Richard Lundin) 11. 10:11 AM - LOE3 Flight Plan Closing (John) 12. 10:12 AM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (David Carter) 13. 11:03 AM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (Garry Legare) 14. 11:31 AM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (Laird Owens) 15. 11:56 AM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (Charles Rowbotham) 16. 12:12 PM - re Primer (David Carter) 17. 12:21 PM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (Ken Simmons) 18. 12:21 PM - Re: ELT in wingtip (van Bladeren, Ron) 19. 12:22 PM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (James E. Clark) 20. 01:38 PM - Re: Primer Paint - RV10 (Elsa & Henry) 21. 02:35 PM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (Garry Legare) 22. 02:56 PM - Re: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? (James E. Clark) 23. 03:30 PM - Re: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing (Keith Vasey) 24. 04:23 PM - FW: COZY: RV7 accident (Bob Hassel) 25. 04:25 PM - FW: COZY: N707DD Down but Not Out (Bob Hassel) 26. 04:48 PM - Re: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. (BillRVSIX@aol.com) 27. 05:05 PM - Re: Skytec flyweight starter glitch (Cy Galley) 28. 05:33 PM - RV 4 gear fairing (PGLong@aol.com) 29. 06:15 PM - cd player & radio stack (Dave Ford) 30. 07:03 PM - Re: FW: COZY: RV7 accident (Dan Checkoway) 31. 07:15 PM - Re: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing (Brian Denk) 32. 07:41 PM - Brake help! (Mark Phillips) 33. 07:43 PM - Re: RV 4 gear fairing (Doug Weiler) 34. 08:31 PM - Re: Primer Paint - RV10 (Ernest Kells) 35. 09:08 PM - Re: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing (Ed Bundy) 36. 09:25 PM - Re: cd player & radio stack (James E. Clark) 37. 09:37 PM - fire retardant (bert murillo) 38. 10:03 PM - cabin interior paint (thomas a. sargent) 39. 10:31 PM - Re: ELT in wingtip (thomas a. sargent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:10 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot tube cost almost doubled! --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I should have included "heated" Jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:37 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Glacier A question out of curiosity for the list. Those of you with **flying** Trutrak A/P installations ... did you notice a significant difference in the stick feel after the installation?? If you move the arm on the servo BEFORE installation, there seems to be a bit if "friction" (stepper motor) and I noticed in a friend's installation (not flying yet) that there seemed to be a bit of this feel in his stick (pitch). I am wondering if in flight it is something that "takes away from" that "RV feel" or if it is something that you "just don't notice"? For those of you considering the Trutrak, THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT. I am just trying to get feedback on the feedback as I am in the middle of an installation but will not fly for a while yet. Since it is not a complaint or problem, I have not called Trutrak as they are VERY busy these days trying to get stuff out the door. Thanks, James ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:51 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT in wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Jim, We installed our ELT on the right side of the rear baggage compartment - easy to get to and remove - weight is aft of the CG which helps. The ant is located inside just right of the rear seat back. Chuck Rowbotham RV-8A >From: Jim Bean >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: ELT in wingtip >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:05:21 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean > >What does the list think about putting the ELT in the wingtip of a metal >AC. It's the only place "inside" where it can radiate. It would seem >that the ELT would see the same deceleration as if in the fuselage. Also >the wings often survive better that the fuselage, particularly if they >are pulled off. The only problem I see is that the wingtip would have to >be removed once a year to change the batteries. >I have never seen this done so suspect that there MUST be something >wrong with it. :) >Jim Bean >RV-8 > > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:24 AM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT in wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube At 10:05 PM 10/14/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean > >What does the list think about putting the ELT in the wingtip of a metal >AC. The ELT has an impact sensor. The "whip" in the wings would likely set it off on a pretty regular basis if it were mounted in the wingtip. Also, it would not likely remain functional in an accident as it is not well protected in the wingtip. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:22 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan "James E. Clark" wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > Glacier > > A question out of curiosity for the list. > > Those of you with **flying** Trutrak A/P installations ... did you notice a > significant difference in the stick feel after the installation?? > > If you move the arm on the servo BEFORE installation, there seems to be a > bit if "friction" (stepper motor) and I noticed in a friend's installation > (not flying yet) that there seemed to be a bit of this feel in his stick > (pitch). I am wondering if in flight it is something that "takes away from" > that "RV feel" or if it is something that you "just don't notice"? > > For those of you considering the Trutrak, THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT. > > I am just trying to get feedback on the feedback as I am in the middle of an > installation but will not fly for a while yet. Since it is not a complaint > or problem, I have not called Trutrak as they are VERY busy these days > trying to get stuff out the door. > James, I may be able to give you a partial answer. I have the AlTrak installation, so only have a servo in the elevator circuit. Yes, you can feel a very small amount of drag while moving the stick on the ground, but the air loads are so much more significant than the servo drag that it is not noticeable in the air. The servo drag *may* be more noticeable on the ailerons, but I doubt it. The more I fly the AlTrak, the more I am impressed by it! Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:56 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec flyweight starter glitch --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" If you have only 1 impulse then you must start with only that mag selected. There is a jumper that must be used on the mag switch that has a starter position. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec flyweight starter glitch > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > > > > > >Trouble free after 3+ yrs and 550 hrs on my SkyTec. Engine dynamically > >balanced to close tolerance during most of that time as well. Helpful & > >polite on the phone the times I've called with general questions. > > At 71 hours I had a total failure of my Sky Tec starter. Sent it back to > SkyTec, it was still under warranty. They told me that the starter failed > due to kickback and that my mags needed to be timed, and warranty does not > cover engine kickbacks. It cost me $135 for shipping and repair. > > Retimed mags put starter back on I0-360 A1A, it failed again after 90 more > minutes of flying, about 3 more starts. I now have a 35 year old Delco > Remy starter, never have any kickbacks, no starter failure, engine always > starts, no soloniod problems. I am happy! > > SkyTec has told me that their starter does not work because I will not > properly time the mags. I had a qualified A&P with IA do it two times, and > the engine still kickbacks with the starter. SkyTec knows this is a > problem and they can not fix it, that is why it is not covered in the > warranty. > > Yes I found SkyTec to be helpful and polite on the phone, but they refuse > to acknowledge the problem. But, they will repair the starter as long as I > pay for it. > > Give me a good used Delco Remy any day! The Delco Remy cost the same as > repair work on the SkyTec. > > Bob > RV-6 NightFighter > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:30 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Primer Paint - RV10 From: "Conti, Rick" --> RV-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I've heard there are two schools of thought for primer, 2 part epoxy or not 2 part epoxy. I've decided to use the 2 part epoxy, but I have very little experience on which brand. I've heard Boeing makes a water based epoxy primer. Expensive and clean up is with water, but must be sure to dry the water. I have a gravity feed HVLP spray gun. Would anyone like to share their knowledge on epoxy primers? I'd also like to hear from the non-epoxy school to further my education. Thank You Rick Conti The Boeing Company office: 703 - 872 - 4602 cell: 703 - 472 - 8592 If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:35 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Off topic... Yokesters Email List... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Hey all... In doing some testing on my web server I created a test email list just for jokes and crap... We have about a half-dozen or so bozos on this list yuckin it up, and I though I would put out an invitation for anyone to join... We are all aviators and just have a lot of fun... This list does pass attachments, so lets be careful out there! Anyway, if you want to join, follow the link: http://vondane.com/mailman/listinfo/yucksters_vondane.com -Bill VonDane RV-8A www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com See you at LOE! Oh, and I will have landing light kits available for sale at a 10% discount if anyone wants one... do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:29 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Thanks Sam. My friend Ken and I have been doing a quite bit of formation practice here lately and as a result your responses become more automatic/intuitive based on becoming more "as one" with the plane I think. I would have hated to have the famous RV ""control harmony and responsiveness" impacted. Again to those who do NOT have the Trutrak yet, there have been NO complaints about this and this is not one either. I am glad to hear from someone I believe is truly a "straight shooter" what I suspected must have been the case. I am sensitive to this matter because I have noticed that a few people will go off on a "damaging to a company" tangent, based only on a few comments by someone trying to inquire as to some facts. Sooooo .... unless you have something that is different from Sam's response, there is no need for further dialog. Thanks, James <<>> > > James, I may be able to give you a partial answer. I have the AlTrak > installation, so only have a servo in the elevator circuit. Yes, you can > feel a very small amount of drag while moving the stick on the ground, > but the air loads are so much more significant than the servo drag that > it is not noticeable in the air. > > The servo drag *may* be more noticeable on the ailerons, but I doubt it. > > The more I fly the AlTrak, the more I am impressed by it! > > Sam Buchanan > > > _- > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:51 AM PST US From: Richard Lundin Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT in wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin If you're going to the meeting this friday, you can look at where Chris put his. I believe the elt is aft of the baggage compartment and the antenna is in the fairing for the vertical stabalizer. Rick Lundin --- Charles Rowbotham wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > Jim, > > We installed our ELT on the right side of the rear > baggage compartment - > easy to get to and remove - weight is aft of the CG > which helps. The ant is > located inside just right of the rear seat back. > > Chuck Rowbotham > RV-8A > > > >From: Jim Bean > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: ELT in wingtip > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:05:21 -0400 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean > > > > >What does the list think about putting the ELT in > the wingtip of a metal > >AC. It's the only place "inside" where it can > radiate. It would seem > >that the ELT would see the same deceleration as if > in the fuselage. Also > >the wings often survive better that the fuselage, > particularly if they > >are pulled off. The only problem I see is that the > wingtip would have to > >be removed once a year to change the batteries. > >I have never seen this done so suspect that there > MUST be something > >wrong with it. :) > >Jim Bean > >RV-8 > > > > > > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire > because you forgot to sign in > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:55 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: RV-List: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing --> RV-List message posted by: "John" I see there is no RCO in the vicinity of LRU - what's the best way to close the flight plan on arrival? I am thinking that by the time I get parked, tied down, etc, that the 30-minute window on arrival estimate might well pass....will Unicom folks be able to phone flight plan closures to FAA? John ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:29 AM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" The Cessna 182 I fly has an autopilot and a servo in right aileron area - I can feel it during preflight on the ground but not during flight control checks taxiing out or in-flight. Look at it this way: On the ground, you are moving it full deflection with your hand on it (or, in case of an RV, with direct push tube linkage, you feel it through stick). But, in air, you don't "move" the control surfaces so much as you "apply pressure" and get an almost imperceptable movement. Try feeling it on your RV after you start the engine - I'll be the engine & prop vibrations mask the slight notchyness of the servo. David Carter ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:03 AM PST US From: Garry Legare Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare James, I've had the Trutrack and altitude hold for about three months now. They made almost no change in the RV control feel. If you can afford only one unit get the alt hold, as it allows you to actually look at a map for more than a millisecond. I love both units and would not like to part with either, but the alt hold is my favorite. Casper James E. Clark wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > >Thanks Sam. > >My friend Ken and I have been doing a quite bit of formation practice here >lately and as a result your responses become more automatic/intuitive based >on becoming more "as one" with the plane I think. > >I would have hated to have the famous RV ""control harmony and >responsiveness" impacted. > >Again to those who do NOT have the Trutrak yet, there have been NO >complaints about this and this is not one either. I am glad to hear from >someone I believe is truly a "straight shooter" what I suspected must have >been the case. > >I am sensitive to this matter because I have noticed that a few people will >go off on a "damaging to a company" tangent, based only on a few comments by >someone trying to inquire as to some facts. > >Sooooo .... unless you have something that is different from Sam's response, >there is no need for further dialog. > >Thanks, > >James > > ><<>> > > > > >>James, I may be able to give you a partial answer. I have the AlTrak >>installation, so only have a servo in the elevator circuit. Yes, you can >>feel a very small amount of drag while moving the stick on the ground, >>but the air loads are so much more significant than the servo drag that >>it is not noticeable in the air. >> >>The servo drag *may* be more noticeable on the ailerons, but I doubt it. >> >>The more I fly the AlTrak, the more I am impressed by it! >> >>Sam Buchanan >> >> >>_- >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:40 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens James, I have Trutrak on both elev and aileron. There is a SLIGHT feel on the ground, but in the air, there is NO difference. BTW, the AP makes data collection a whole lot easier! It flys WAY better than I can. Laird RV-6 SoCal LOE or bust! >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > >Glacier > >A question out of curiosity for the list. > >Those of you with **flying** Trutrak A/P installations ... did you notice a >significant difference in the stick feel after the installation?? > >If you move the arm on the servo BEFORE installation, there seems to be a >bit if "friction" (stepper motor) and I noticed in a friend's installation >(not flying yet) that there seemed to be a bit of this feel in his stick >(pitch). I am wondering if in flight it is something that "takes away from" >that "RV feel" or if it is something that you "just don't notice"? > >For those of you considering the Trutrak, THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT. > >I am just trying to get feedback on the feedback as I am in the middle of an >installation but will not fly for a while yet. Since it is not a complaint >or problem, I have not called Trutrak as they are VERY busy these days >trying to get stuff out the door. > >Thanks, > >James > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:42 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" James, We have the digitrak and alttrak. On the gound there is a very very small feel of friction. Once airborne I can not feel any difference when disengaged. Extremely pleased with our TruTrak installation and it's performance! Chuck Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "James E. Clark" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "Rv-List@Matronics.Com" >Subject: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:43:33 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > >Glacier > >A question out of curiosity for the list. > >Those of you with **flying** Trutrak A/P installations ... did you notice a >significant difference in the stick feel after the installation?? > >If you move the arm on the servo BEFORE installation, there seems to be a >bit if "friction" (stepper motor) and I noticed in a friend's installation >(not flying yet) that there seemed to be a bit of this feel in his stick >(pitch). I am wondering if in flight it is something that "takes away from" >that "RV feel" or if it is something that you "just don't notice"? > >For those of you considering the Trutrak, THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT. > >I am just trying to get feedback on the feedback as I am in the middle of >an >installation but will not fly for a while yet. Since it is not a complaint >or problem, I have not called Trutrak as they are VERY busy these days >trying to get stuff out the door. > >Thanks, > >James > > online from McAfee. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:11 PM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: RV-List: re Primer --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" Rick, in 1997 I started my RV-6 project and the first item of business was selection of a corrosion control primer. I did detailed comparison of several brands of EFFECTIVE primers and selected the one that was the cheapest per square foot of coverage, which turned out to be a major aerospace brand: Pratt & Lambert. That company was soon bought by Sherwin Williams. I called just now and confirmed that the same products and part numbers are still in production. Pricing has to be obtained from distributors, not the main company HQ in Wichita (Andover), KS. You may go to the Sherwin Williams website: www.sherwin.com, click the Products & Services link, then the Aerospace Coatings link, then go to bottom of page and click Products link, then go to bottom again and click Conventional Primers, then look at the top item in green epoxy - copy info and call for the MSDS's and guidance at the main plant 1-888-888-5593 for Customer Service and Tech info - or contact a local distributor (list is avail on the website). This primer system and their associated exterior top coat Jet Glo is what the Cessna Citation Service Center in San Antonio uses - they paint a LOT of BIG jets there. This is the main stream product. Perhaps a better way to go is with Deft, the product used by Boeing. It is "reduced" with water, and the spray gun is cleaned PARTIALLY with water, then the gun has to be cleaned with solvent to get remaining residue out. Deft is, I believe, about the same durability, and same danger to use as the Sherwin-Wms (Pratt & Lambert) stuff - YOU MUST USE A MASK with either of them or you will die of brain damage. - Don't be misled or make unwarranated assumptions about safety just because PART of the mix is water. There is still nasty stuff there to protect yourself & others from. I haven't done the cost comparison of Deft to S-W (P&L) so cannot help you there. You'll need to get current prices and figure cost per gallon of MIXED end product (assuming both are applied at same mil thickness - 0.7 mils is the recommended for my paint. It goes on thin and you can see Sharp colored marker stuff through it when dry.) Both are two part systems, except Deft adds a 3rd component, water for thinning. Mine is strontium chromate (as opposed to zinc chromate), both are "epoxy" primers - very tough and resistent to chipping. Both give as good a protection against corrosion as you are going to find. - Deft HQ 1-800-544-3338 17451 Von Karman Ave, Irvine, CA 92614 www.deftfinishes.com> - I bought a kit in Houston, TX, for a local home builder/friend and it cost $83.50 (29 Aug 01) for a "kit" (2 cans - don't have the volume of product in each can - I'm thinking one was half full (or half empty???) - you'd need to know, along with mixing ratios (incl water) to get final mixed volume for cost comparison. - So, what part number did I buy? I don't know - my friend is at work & I can't tell from looking at the web site, so I called Deft and Craig said (& I copied from website) " VOC COMPLIANT FLUID RESISTANT PRIMER Deft #44-GN-11 - This VOC compliant water reducible epoxy primer system has been formulated to meet the requirements of Boeing specifications BMS-1011. Rated at 340 g/l this material meets or exceeds current EPA requirements for clean air." He said the pot life of the Deft #44-GN-11 is 4 hours. There is a -60 with 6 hour pot life - different pigments to increase the pot life; passes same tests, same final results. - Other notes I have from my call to Deft in Aug 2001: -- Clean-up: After gross cleaning with water, use 1:1 tolulene & alcohol (or their solvent/cleaner "-248") - gets out the last 10% of stuff that water misses. -- Shelf life (printed on can) - The "catalyst" can of material is what can go bad with time - if/when it absorbs moisture from the air. If you can still see the bottom of the can and the catalyst is not cloudy, and can was not bulging/outgassing, then it is still good. -- Catalyst has isocyanates and you MUST wear a mask. My stuff (P&L/S-W) uses solvent that is quite volatile - I have to add solvent during painting sometimes in hot weather because the solvent is evaporating and the mix is getting thicker, which makes it go on too thick, etc. - That is the main reason I'd go with Deft today. In searching the Sherwin website for research for this e-mail, I note they also have a water reducable polyurethane INTERIOR paint - no chromates, not epoxy - but this is NOT "corrosion control primer" - it is an interior cosmetic coat. David Carter ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:40 PM PST US From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" OK, this one confuses me. From everything I've read on the list and heard from others, roll is the important one in the RV. If trimmed properly an RV will maintain altitude relatively well for a brief period, but stability in roll is close to neutral so it will wonder quickly. Ken >--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare > >James, > I've had the Trutrack and altitude hold for about three months now. >They made almost no change in the RV control feel. If you can afford >only one unit get the alt hold, as it allows you to actually look at a >map for more than a millisecond. I love both units and would not like to >part with either, but the alt hold is my favorite. >Casper > >James E. Clark wrote: > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:43 PM PST US From: "van Bladeren, Ron" Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT in wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" I put my ELT on the aft deck under the VS and between the HS spars. It moves the CG aft a little but not bad. My airframe arm came out to be 78.8 and that's with an aft mounted battery and a CS prop. Seemed like a better alternative to flying around with a lot of ballast in the aft baggage compartment just to keep the nose wheel light. Ron. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lundin [mailto:rlundin46@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT in wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin If you're going to the meeting this friday, you can look at where Chris put his. I believe the elt is aft of the baggage compartment and the antenna is in the fairing for the vertical stabalizer. Rick Lundin --- Charles Rowbotham wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > Jim, > > We installed our ELT on the right side of the rear > baggage compartment - > easy to get to and remove - weight is aft of the CG > which helps. The ant is > located inside just right of the rear seat back. > > Chuck Rowbotham > RV-8A > > > >From: Jim Bean > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: ELT in wingtip > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:05:21 -0400 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean > > > > >What does the list think about putting the ELT in > the wingtip of a metal > >AC. It's the only place "inside" where it can > radiate. It would seem > >that the ELT would see the same deceleration as if > in the fuselage. Also > >the wings often survive better that the fuselage, > particularly if they > >are pulled off. The only problem I see is that the > wingtip would have to > >be removed once a year to change the batteries. > >I have never seen this done so suspect that there > MUST be something > >wrong with it. :) > >Jim Bean > >RV-8 > > > > > > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire > because you forgot to sign in > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:05 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Thanks David. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Carter > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:44 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" > > The Cessna 182 I fly has an autopilot and a servo in right > aileron area - I > can feel it during preflight on the ground but not during flight control > checks taxiing out or in-flight. Look at it this way: On the ground, you > are moving it full deflection with your hand on it (or, in case of an RV, > with direct push tube linkage, you feel it through stick). But, > in air, you > don't "move" the control surfaces so much as you "apply pressure" > and get an > almost imperceptable movement. > Try feeling it on your RV after you start the engine - I'll be the > engine & prop vibrations mask the slight notchyness of the servo. > > David Carter > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:33 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Primer Paint - RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Rick, I used 2 part epoxy primer on my RV-6A and all I can say is that stuff is bullet proof!--- Specifics: I was put in touch with this product by several builders in Canada who swore by it.The manufacturer is "Tristar Coatings Div." of Tabor Industries Ltd.and they make the stuff in Toronto. Have no idea if this is a branch of an American company. They put out impressive spec sheets including water and fuel immersion resistance, hardness, salt spray, filiform corrosion , lubricating oil resistance, MSDS data, etc. I used their "Starpoxy 425P/426P (green / yellow base) with 420C Clear Catalyst, mix ratio, 1:1 Description: "Tough epoxy/polyamide green/yellow strontium chromate primer, with excellent chemical resistance meeting: - Boeing de Haviland DHMS C4.01 - Bombardier Canadair CMS 565-01 - Dept. of National Defence MIL-P-23377F " I used the green stuff on all internal surfaces and nothing else and the yellow on externals prior to color coats. I didn't use any metal preps such as alodine, etc prior to spraying as only thing required is a 3-M scuffing of the surfaces and a solvent wash-down after. Small parts were washed in my bath tub with Amway SA8 (phosphor free) detergent and rinsed and left to dry followed shortly by primer application. The primers stick like the proverbial S**t to a blanket and the proof of the pudding is my belly skin under the rudder pedals, that has no other protection (yet) other than the primer, shows no signs of wear or scuffing after 50 hours of flying! Cheers!!-------Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:08 PM PST US From: Garry Legare Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare Ken, once you start flying your RV you'll see what I mean. But maybe a sort explanation will help. At cruise speeds (190+ MPH) the RV6 is very sensitive in pitch, much more so than in roll. If you've got a map in your hands and the nose goes down the speed will build very quickly. Your only option is to nudge the stick back a hair which takes your concentration and at least one hand away from the map. On the other hand if a wing starts to drop pick it up with just a touch of rudder. Hope this helps. Casper Ken Simmons wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" > >OK, this one confuses me. From everything I've read on the list and heard from others, roll is the important one in the RV. If trimmed properly an RV will maintain altitude relatively well for a brief period, but stability in roll is close to neutral so it will wonder quickly. > >Ken > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare >> >>James, >>I've had the Trutrack and altitude hold for about three months now. >>They made almost no change in the RV control feel. If you can afford >>only one unit get the alt hold, as it allows you to actually look at a >>map for more than a millisecond. I love both units and would not like to >>part with either, but the alt hold is my favorite. >>Casper >> >>James E. Clark wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:49 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Thanks to all who have supplied feedback on this. Seems to be a NON-issue. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles > Rowbotham > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:53 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > James, > > We have the digitrak and alttrak. > > On the gound there is a very very small feel of friction. Once airborne I > can not feel any difference when disengaged. Extremely pleased with our > TruTrak installation and it's performance! > > Chuck Rowbotham > RV-8A > > > >From: "James E. Clark" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: "Rv-List@Matronics.Com" > >Subject: RV-List: Trutrak AP "Stick" feel ??? > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:43:33 -0400 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > > > >Glacier > > > >A question out of curiosity for the list. > > > >Those of you with **flying** Trutrak A/P installations ... did > you notice a > >significant difference in the stick feel after the installation?? > > > >If you move the arm on the servo BEFORE installation, there seems to be a > >bit if "friction" (stepper motor) and I noticed in a friend's > installation > >(not flying yet) that there seemed to be a bit of this feel in his stick > >(pitch). I am wondering if in flight it is something that "takes > away from" > >that "RV feel" or if it is something that you "just don't notice"? > > > >For those of you considering the Trutrak, THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT. > > > >I am just trying to get feedback on the feedback as I am in the > middle of > >an > >installation but will not fly for a while yet. Since it is not a > complaint > >or problem, I have not called Trutrak as they are VERY busy these days > >trying to get stuff out the door. > > > >Thanks, > > > >James > > > > > > online from McAfee. > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:29 PM PST US From: "Keith Vasey" Subject: RE: RV-List: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing --> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" John, if you do not have your own mobile phone with you when you land, look around for a payphone. Either way, dial 1-800-WX-BRIEF and close your flight plan with FSS. KV Seattle -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Subject: RV-List: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing --> RV-List message posted by: "John" I see there is no RCO in the vicinity of LRU - what's the best way to close the flight plan on arrival? I am thinking that by the time I get parked, tied down, etc, that the 30-minute window on arrival estimate might well pass....will Unicom folks be able to phone flight plan closures to FAA? John ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:49 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RV-List: FW: COZY: RV7 accident --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" I saw this on the Cozy group - anyone know anything about it? Bob ============================================= Cozy Builders, The pilot who went down in his RV7 was a close friend of ours. He was a former F4 fighter pilot, TWA pilot, Long EZ pilot, and Cozy Mark IV pilot. He was very pleased with his Eggenfellner firewall-forward Subaru installation. He reported that it stopped cold at 1,000 ft, and would not turn over or restart. He made an emergency landing on sort of a road in a farm field and his RV7 flipped. He said that the airplane was totalled. He was cut and bruised, but otherwise uninjured. He had not determined the cause of the engine seizing, when he last communicated with us. You all shouldn't speculate until more is known. We feel very badly about his mishap, as we would if any of you had a similar mishap. We want all of our builders to have safe and enjoyable flying experiences, which is our motivation in any advice we offer. Best regards, ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:30 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RV-List: FW: COZY: N707DD Down but Not Out --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" Follow-up email answer my question. But since I sent the first one I thought I'd share the second one as well. Bob ==================================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-cozy_builders@canard.com [mailto:owner-cozy_builders@canard.com]On Behalf Of David Domeier Subject: COZY: N707DD Down but Not Out I dropped Jan off at the St. Louis airport about an hour ago and he is headed home to Florida. He flew up on Delta and stayed with us last night. This morning early we drove the the offices of AIRCO, an accident investigation and research company headed up by Chad and Bernie Coogan. They recovered the aircraft from the bean field yesterday and did a great job of it. First off, while assisting in the recovery yesterday before Jan arrived, I received permission from the FAA to remove the cowl and visually inspect the engine compartment. The super charger belt and the alternator belt were both missing. There were some small pieces of belt in the compartment but not more that 3 or 4 inches of it. The other most obvious damage was to the engine timing belt cover. It had a hole about 1 inch square and cracks in the area. I decided not to go any further with the investigation until Jan arrived and the FAA was present. With representatives of the FAA, AVEMCO and AIRCO present, Jan removed the cover this morning. Under it we found, tangled up with timing belt, the alternator belt. It caused the engine shut down. We also feel certain the chain of events started with the SC belt leaving one of its pulleys on the forward side, forcing itself onto the alternator belt and causing it to leave its pulley. How it got inside the cover and tangled up with timing belt is incredible but it did. There was no trace of the SC belt as it probably exited the compartment in flight. OK, so what about N707DD? I've decided almost for sure to rebuild the airplane depending on how the $$ numbers work out with the insurance settlement and the cost. The wings are in perfect condition, not even a scratch as the airplane went over without either contacting the ground. The fuselage is a mess however. The longerons are buckled just forward of the instrument panel. The roll over structure did its job and held the airplane up enough to wiggle out after I kicked the side glass out, but is bent slightly. The VS is crunched badly and the elevators also have buckles on the bottom skins as the G load must have been considerable when the VS hit the dirt. All in all, this was a disappointing week, but we know what caused the event and there will be a fix for it. Jan already had it in the works and Robert Paisley may be testing it at this time. I had been flying about 10 hours after adjusting the SC mount angle so it was assumed all was well. One other item, I am staying with Subaru. This is a good engine with great support. What happened has nothing to do with its basic integrity. STUFF happens in this business as we are all experimenters. We deal with these events as best we can and move on. David Domeier Chesterfield, Missouri Thanks much for all the e-mails offering help and support. This is indeed a great group of people. Other than a slight stiff neck and a couple bumps on the head, I am just fine and will fly again. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:08 PM PST US From: BillRVSIX@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: F-6112 skin and sliding canopy question. --> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com Thanks for the replies and information Bill RV6 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:18 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec flyweight starter glitch --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I was referring to the "bendix type" switch. I would still check the switches for which mag is which. The FlyTec maybe too good a starter, spinning so fast that the impulse pawls don't catch to retard the spark. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec flyweight starter glitch > Cy > > I am not sure what you are trying to say. I have a switch for each mag, > left mag is the impulse mag. I start with the left mag on and right mag > off. Left mag is also the starter switch. When the starter switch is > activated it turns off the right mag (should it be on). My aircraft is > wired up according to Bob Nuckols wiring diagram. The system works well > with a Delco starter, are you saying that there is something else I should > do if I use a FlyTec? > > Personally I like FlyTec's advice, if you want a better starter, then pay > for it. > > Bob > > > At 10:16 AM 10/15/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > >If you have only 1 impulse then you must start with only that mag selected. > >There is a jumper that must be used on the mag switch that has a starter > >position. > >Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > > >Editor, EAA Safety Programs > >cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > >Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bob" > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec flyweight starter glitch > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Trouble free after 3+ yrs and 550 hrs on my SkyTec. Engine dynamically > > > >balanced to close tolerance during most of that time as well. Helpful & > > > >polite on the phone the times I've called with general questions. > > > > > > At 71 hours I had a total failure of my Sky Tec starter. Sent it back to > > > SkyTec, it was still under warranty. They told me that the starter failed > > > due to kickback and that my mags needed to be timed, and warranty does not > > > cover engine kickbacks. It cost me $135 for shipping and repair. > > > > > > Retimed mags put starter back on I0-360 A1A, it failed again after 90 more > > > minutes of flying, about 3 more starts. I now have a 35 year old Delco > > > Remy starter, never have any kickbacks, no starter failure, engine always > > > starts, no soloniod problems. I am happy! > > > > > > SkyTec has told me that their starter does not work because I will not > > > properly time the mags. I had a qualified A&P with IA do it two times, and > > > the engine still kickbacks with the starter. SkyTec knows this is a > > > problem and they can not fix it, that is why it is not covered in the > > > warranty. > > > > > > Yes I found SkyTec to be helpful and polite on the phone, but they refuse > > > to acknowledge the problem. But, they will repair the starter as long as > >I > > > pay for it. > > > > > > Give me a good used Delco Remy any day! The Delco Remy cost the same as > > > repair work on the SkyTec. > > > > > > Bob > > > RV-6 NightFighter > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:55 PM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV 4 gear fairing --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com I just found out that Van's is now using fiberglass gear leg fairing instead of the aluminum ones that came with my older kit. I'm wondering if they are molded top and bottom and how they are attached to the leg and pants. I have the two piece wheel pants and aluminum "V" shaped piece that would take a lot of work to fit and fair. Has anyone used these on an RV4? Just about ready to tackle this job but if there is a better way, I'm all ears. Thanks for your help. Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N924PL (reserved) Bay City, Michigan Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:09 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: cd player & radio stack --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" I'm looking for a CD player, panel mount that the behind the panel size would fit in a standard radio stack of 6 1/4" in width. Is there anything available that someone knows of? Dave Ford RV6 finishing (getting close) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:28 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: COZY: RV7 accident --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > I saw this on the Cozy group - anyone know anything about it? Yep...it was David Domeier in his Eggaru powered RV-7. Sounds like a couple of belts got tangled up causing the shutdown (external mechanical seizure). Sounds like he's doing well, fortunately. See the message that David sent to the RV7and7A Yahoo group below... do not archive )_( Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-cozy_builders@canard.com [mailto:owner-cozy_builders@canard.com]On Behalf Of David Domeier Subject: COZY: N707DD Down but Not Out I dropped Jan off at the St. Louis airport about an hour ago and he is headed home to Florida. He flew up on Delta and stayed with us last night. This morning early we drove the the offices of AIRCO, an accident investigation and research company headed up by Chad and Bernie Coogan. They recovered the aircraft from the bean field yesterday and did a great job of it. First off, while assisting in the recovery yesterday before Jan arrived, I received permission from the FAA to remove the cowl and visually inspect the engine compartment. The super charger belt and the alternator belt were both missing. There were some small pieces of belt in the compartment but not more that 3 or 4 inches of it. The other most obvious damage was to the engine timing belt cover. It had a hole about 1 inch square and cracks in the area. I decided not to go any further with the investigation until Jan arrived and the FAA was present. With representatives of the FAA, AVEMCO and AIRCO present, Jan removed the cover this morning. Under it we found, tangled up with timing belt, the alternator belt. It caused the engine shut down. We also feel certain the chain of events started with the SC belt leaving one of its pulleys on the forward side, forcing itself onto the alternator belt and causing it to leave its pulley. How it got inside the cover and tangled up with timing belt is incredible but it did. There was no trace of the SC belt as it probably exited the compartment in flight. OK, so what about N707DD? I've decided almost for sure to rebuild the airplane depending on how the $$ numbers work out with the insurance settlement and the cost. The wings are in perfect condition, not even a scratch as the airplane went over without either contacting the ground. The fuselage is a mess however. The longerons are buckled just forward of the instrument panel. The roll over structure did its job and held the airplane up enough to wiggle out after I kicked the side glass out, but is bent slightly. The VS is crunched badly and the elevators also have buckles on the bottom skins as the G load must have been considerable when the VS hit the dirt. All in all, this was a disappointing week, but we know what caused the event and there will be a fix for it. Jan already had it in the works and Robert Paisley may be testing it at this time. I had been flying about 10 hours after adjusting the SC mount angle so it was assumed all was well. One other item, I am staying with Subaru. This is a good engine with great support. What happened has nothing to do with its basic integrity. STUFF happens in this business as we are all experimenters. We deal with these events as best we can and move on. David Domeier Chesterfield, Missouri Thanks much for all the e-mails offering help and support. This is indeed a great group of people. Other than a slight stiff neck and a couple bumps on the head, I am just fine and will fly again. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:27 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >I see there is no RCO in the vicinity of LRU - what's the best way to close >the flight plan on arrival? I am thinking that by the time I get parked, >tied down, etc, that the 30-minute window on arrival estimate might well >pass....will Unicom folks be able to phone flight plan closures to FAA? > >John Don't sweat it. You'll be down and parked in minutes and can close your plan from the FBO via phone. Enjoy your trip! WX is forecast to be severe clear through the weekend for most of New Mexico. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD Albuquerque, NM Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:08 PM PST US From: Mark Phillips Subject: RV-List: Brake help! --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips I've been staring at dwg. C-2 but it isn't talkin' to me (big surprise!) and juggling brake & wheel parts trying to put the puzzle together- the drawing shows "something" just OUTBOARD of the U-403 that "might" be the brake caliper mounting bracket, but is un-identified- I can't seem to make this thing go together unless the brake caliper mounting bracket (the part that bolts to the U-403) is INBOARD of the U-403. and it STILL doesn't look right- anyone got a decent photo or description of this assmebly sequence? The plans sure aren't much help!!! Thanks in advance! Mark -6A do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:28 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 4 gear fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV 4 gear fairing > --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > I just found out that Van's is now using fiberglass gear leg fairing instead > of the aluminum ones that came with my older kit. I'm wondering if they are > molded top and bottom and how they are attached to the leg and pants. I have > the two piece wheel pants and aluminum "V" shaped piece that would take a lot of > work to fit and fair. Has anyone used these on an RV4? Just about ready to > tackle this job but if there is a better way, I'm all ears. Thanks for your help. > I have the fiberglas ones on my RV-4. They are easy to install. The plans show how they are attached (I would suggest you get the latest sheets covering this installation). I have mine attached to the gear leg with a hose clamp secured around a notch cut in the top of the fiber glas fairing. At the bottom I just have it secured with the gear fairing to wheel fairing "fairing" which I had to make from scratch. The gear fairing to cowl fairing is also made from scratch. Again the new plans show this attachment. Seems to work fine after 85 hours on the airplane. Doug Weiler Hudson, WI N722DW ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:27 PM PST US From: "Ernest Kells" Subject: Re: RV-List: Primer Paint - RV10 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" >> I've heard there are two schools of thought for primer, 2 part epoxy or not 2 part epoxy. I've decided to use the 2 part epoxy, but I have very little experience on which brand. I've heard Boeing makes a water based epoxy primer. Expensive and clean up is with water, but must be sure to dry the water. << Rick: Please check the archives on this! This is an emotional issue. There is fast, easy and cheap...and...there is slow, difficult and expensive. You will find yourself somewhere in this maze. I chose the hard way - - - and I am happy. I think that you should stick with one family of products. I picked the Dupont system. This has multiple steps; 1) acid type wash, 2) aluminum preparation, 3) two-part epoxy primer, 4) final coats of finish paint (outside and cabin area only, in Dupont Imron). Note: Imron wears like IRON. Your Dupont dealer can advise you on this - entails thinners, activators, reducers, etc. I think that this is the best system - but there are other choices. Paint is high tech nowadays - worth the investment to research. Other companies are also very good. Research ! Archives ! I have documented my system in my project notes. If your competing dealers are not forthcoming or you just need builder help give me an email. do not archive Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop 90 plus % Complete - Wiring ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:38 PM PST US From: "Ed Bundy" Subject: RE: RV-List: LOE3 Flight Plan Closing --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" Even though there isn't an RCO, there is usually FSS coverage at most airports (at least while airborne). My AOPA airport directory shows Albuquerque radio on 122.55 for LRU - just give them a call while you're still a few miles out. I usually hedge my arrival times +30 minutes on a flight plan anyway, just in case I can't close by radio, and it takes a while to get tied down and call. It's also handy in case you hit headwinds or have some other delay. Ed Bundy - Eagle, Idaho RV6A 600+ hours > I see there is no RCO in the vicinity of LRU - what's the best > way to close > the flight plan on arrival? I am thinking that by the time I get parked, > tied down, etc, that the 30-minute window on arrival estimate might well > pass....will Unicom folks be able to phone flight plan closures to FAA? > > John > --- ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:49 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: cd player & radio stack --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" PS Engineering (the intercom people) makes one. I think it is about $800. But don't hold me to that number as I am going from memory of some time ago. There is another one that is certified as well for aircraft but the cost is over $1200 as I recall. Automotive ones are a tad wider. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Ford > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:13 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: cd player & radio stack > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" > > I'm looking for a CD player, panel mount that the behind the > panel size would fit in a standard radio stack of 6 1/4" in > width. Is there anything available that someone knows of? > > Dave Ford > RV6 finishing (getting close) > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:47 PM PST US From: " bert murillo" Subject: RV-List: fire retardant --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" Hello: Where can one get seats for our rv's, which meet the FAA specs. for fire retardant material? I was surprise to find out, the people we know such as Laurentis...that their seats, are not fire retardant,,,,I am sure that there is not such a thing as Fire proof, on seats.? I know, the material I have on fire wall, as proctection is defenitely fire proof did not burn, even with a solder torch... Would like to hear comments...does any one feel it is really important, to obtain the fabric for the seats,, FAA approved? so where do you get this?? bert rv6a almost ready for wings.... Do Not archive Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:35 PM PST US From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: RV-List: cabin interior paint --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" What are people using for their interior cabin paint? I tested a spray can of Tempo Aircraft Enamel.; I eventually figured out how to get a reasonably good result (it tends to orange peel very easily), but the shade of gray is wrong for my interior and it's only available in just a few other colors. I'd prefer something in a spray can. A paint that I'd have to use a spray gun with is OK as long as it's something less lethal than an isocyanate paint. I'd like to get by using just a common Home depot respirator mask. -- Tom Sargent RV-6A ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:49 PM PST US From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT in wingtip --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" Jim: I did this at the suggestion of Gus at Van's. The wingtip is somewhat less likely to survive an accident than some location in the aft part of the plane, but all those other locations have serious antenna radiation problems. I mounted the ELT on the end rib and the antenna next to it perpendicular to the rib. I'm not flying yet, but an SWR meter indicated it will work well. If it is not destroyed in a crash, it will radiate more efficiently than an antenna buried in the baggage compartment or under the tail fairing. Those locations place the antenna much closer to a large metal conductor than half a wavelength. Most I have seen are about an inch away from a bulk head or fuselage side for the whole length of the antenna. I have no empirical proof, but that just has to seriouly reduce the efficiency of the antenna and distort the antenna pattern. So the choice is between an ELT that survives but works poorly and one with a bit more risk of not surviving, but which will work better if it does. I was unaware of the FAR that Gil quotes. I may have to do some fast talking when the DAR comes, but I still like the wingtip location on a metal airplane. Bob Hasson placed his on the top of the fuselage about a foot infront of the VS. It was a thin flexible antenna and I thought it might flap in the breeze and beat up the leading edge of the VS, but it didn't. That seems like a pretty good location too. Jim Bean wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean > >What does the list think about putting the ELT in the wingtip of a metal >AC. > > -- Tom Sargent RV-6A