---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/17/03: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - test (Jim Jewell) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: fire retardant (Frazier, Vincent A) 3. 06:22 AM - Autopilot (Wheeler North) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: O-320 Parts (RV_8 Pilot) 5. 06:33 AM - Re: Weather...( long ) (Charles Rowbotham) 6. 06:57 AM - Re: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area (Scott Brumbelow) 7. 07:36 AM - Re: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area (David Burton) 8. 08:02 AM - Re: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area (Michael Pilla) 9. 08:29 AM - Re: CS Prop oil line options (Randy Lervold) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics (Tracy Crook) 11. 10:59 AM - Display readability in sunlight (was Re: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics (David Carter) 12. 11:33 AM - Re: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics (N13eer@aol.com) 13. 03:11 PM - Fuel at LOE3 (Bruce Bell) 14. 03:23 PM - 2004 FAR/AIMs are in (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 15. 06:19 PM - Re: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics (Tracy Crook) 16. 06:54 PM - Re: Display readability in sunlight (Sam Buchanan) 17. 08:24 PM - Re: Fuel at LOE3 (Greg Young) 18. 08:59 PM - Re: O-320 Parts (N223RV@aol.com) 19. 09:20 PM - Re: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: EZ-Pilot (Michael McGee) 20. 10:09 PM - Re: Fire resistant seats (Christopher J Fortin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:23 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: test --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" test do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:35 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RE: fire retardant From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP what the chemical is that you can spray on things that makes it fire resistant? SNIP Water. LOL do not archive Vince ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:01 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Autopilot --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Laird, you bring up a very good point in terms of VFR vs IFR utilization. To me if I had built this with IFR being the base platform I was shooting for, I would have paid the bucks and used an integrated two axis platform, as its really not possible in that environment to say which is more useful. Without either its much more workload, having only one doesn't reduce the workload much, but having both does, the sum of the parts not being equal to having both. In the VFR environment the roll axis seems to provide great reduction in workload, more so then the pitch does. Certainly the emergency feature of the roll device is nice, but I didn't go there because of the one time I really had to use this. In the aftermath of my own reflections I had to admit that I was counting on that as an out when I flew into conditions that could easily transition beyond my abilities without such devices. That is a no no in my opinion, and I have hopefully rectified my decision making process in this area. I no longer consider the Navaid as an emergency device for any reason. W ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:03 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 Parts --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" You can get many of the consumables at Chief, Aircraft Spruce, etc. Bought most of mine at Superior Air Parts, but they've been bought out since I last ordered - not sure who to call now. Get good used or surplus engine components from EnParts, at 700 Ferris Rd Lancaster, Texas, (972) 227-0086. Good people. Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas >Does anyone have any suggestion for buying parts(rings,gaskets....ect.) >at a discounted price? > > >Joel Graber >-4 finishing >Brooksville Ms Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:00 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Weather...( long ) --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Austin, Thanks again ! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "austin" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "rv-list rv-list" >Subject: RV-List: Weather...( long ) >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:32:34 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "austin" > >I can't see but half a mile from where I sit now. >Monsoon rains have dropped vis to point 5 and ceiling to about as high as I >can throw a beer bottle. >The monsoon doesn't begin to start....it arrives.... >I come home from the hangar glad that the RV is under cover and dry. >Hangar doors bang loudly in their tracks and sound timpani and base >reverberating through all the bays within. >Nobody comes out to the field on days like this....nobody to come by and >visit. >No worries about water in the tanks, or wind to do havoc as she did blowing >the tree over in my back yard...for the second time. >Amazingly, I hear a Beaver on floats rumble by, red beacon glowing slow >turns about fuselage. >I see only a couple of turns of the beacon and he is gone, but not silent, >into the murk. >I knew two guys who flew like that once upon a time. >One was so keen to get a job flying the coast that he flew in weather that >began to frighten him more and more each time he set foot on the step to >climb aboard. >The demands to make the flights so overcame his love of flying that he quit >altogether lest he never see another Spring. >Such was the fear of living in the shadow of being killed. >The other fellow simply was killed. >He would fly anytime anywhere, and I can't remember what the urgency was to >go, but he went anyway and flew into Cumulo Granite........it was no >contest. >The ELT was thrown clear out of the aircraft and did not go off, but >strangely, worked just fine on the bench when later recovered. > Sometimes the Gods of Flight give you a break though.. >I once stood down for a couple of days in the Oregon hills waiting out the >weather, eager to get home, and having seen everything and talked to >everybody in the small logging town, decided to fly a weather check. >It was raining and overcast and I got lower and lower and followed the >lights of the cars below when I became aware that fuel was low as it was >and >I could barely see the wingtips, and did a 180 and landed back where the >highway led me to my starting point... >My turnaround was appropriately named the town of " Drain"... >I never did something like that again... >Only four days ago I was flying over rolling hills with golden trees as far >as I could see. >Warm in the cockpit and CAVU. >6,000 feet on the altimeter, but only 1,000 above ground, now today, down >at >sea level, my nose has stopped bleeding and hands not so chapped and >cracked >as they were. >How wonderful it is to get a window seat in a jet and watch how we climb up >through the dark and rainswept morning to clear skies and rising sun above >the deck of solid Q.... >If only we had gyros, oxygen, IFR capability in every sense, that would be >fantastic, but would I get down just as well ? > I had a friend who had to get back to homebase in poor weather >while flying his 150. >The only saving grace he had was he could see the ocean and the mouth of >the >river leading home. >He knew how long he had to fly upriver and made a call to the tower, who >cleared him straight in. >When he arrived over the riverbend, he saw a red beacon he thought to be on >the field, but was actually a low flying helicopter who did not see or hear >him... >When he landed, the tower was still calling him thinking he was still >airborne, but he was on the tarmac and they still could not see him. >Talk about miracles. >I have been waiting around for word to go pick up a Cub and fly it from the >Great Lakes to the West Coast. >Nordo, basic Cub..no this, no that, no nothing,... except romance. >Today I got word they won't insure me not because of skill level or lack >thereof, but because of my age. >And yet, the same company insures my RV and me, and I have more tail wheel >time than trike. >On a day like this, I don't mind being alone and cold and roving about the >hangar, listening to the doors bang. >At least it is not airplane metal getting slammed. >In one hangar bay, fitted out like a house away from home, lies a new >workbench holding a new tail group of an RV7. >What a dream these new kits are !......makes you want to order another, >just >to enjoy the improvements and the cleanliness and newness of all the kit >offers. >I look at my hands still bearing cuts and dirt of Proseal, MEK, dirt from >the bowels of a tired and beat up Metro. >Inside this beast, I saw a message writ large by a structures guy of long >ago...upon moving a batt of insulation to see where I had drilled into the >fuselage was this missive..... >" They don't pay you enough to work on this pig ". >At least that gave me a good laugh and appreciate how nice it is to work on >a new kit....no comparison. > I am currently awaiting a nice high pressure cell which will allow me >and friends to resume flying together in company.......still, clear air and >dramatic winter skies make some of the best flying ever.... >Now if only I could operate a video cam while holding the RV level, I could >capture some of the most memorable skyscapes I have ever seen while flying >the Cascades, and keeping an eye out for THOR and his lightening bolt >spear, >or any other Norse Gods who dwell up here. >Believe it or not, the best landing I have made and one that sticks with me >still is one I made in the RV when the sky was black and the wind was >ripping across the runway and my approach was bobbing like a cork on the >sea. >I did not use flap as it was too hard to engage, my having sawed it down >too >short. >The runway looked crooked and I held in rudder and right wing down against >the gale, held her off until I had to line up the paint strips with the >same >way I was going, rounded out and settled as if an instructor was doing the >flying........I was too thrilled to be amazed at what I had just done... >The low, dark ceiling was lit from beneath by a sinking winter sun and the >whole scene was such that if you saw a painting of it, you would say that >was not a real portrayal of a land/seascape...but I have seen it... >And in that dark mass of roiling sea off the end of that runway, Orca, the >killer whale, calls and whistles for her pod to rejoin her, and I rejoin my >ground bound friends in the hangar/ coffee debrief room. >Do not archive, >Austin. > > online from McAfee. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:56 AM PST US From: Scott Brumbelow Subject: Re: RV-List: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow Instead of trying to borrow a prop, have you considered mounting the spinner backplate with spacers instead? Vans or Hartzell should be able to give you the thickness of the prop. You could use either PVC pipe or lots of washers to get the appropriate spacing. Scott in MEM RV-8A engine running, inspections coming Michael Pilla wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Pilla" > > Folks, > A long story, but the short version is I would like to borrow a Hartzell > C2YL prop so that my cowl can be fitted to my RV-4. My prop has been > ordered, but won't be shipped until 12/20 and I would like to get the > cowling, baffles, etc., all fitted sooner rather than later. > > The prop will only be placed on my engine (O-320-D1A equivalent) for fitting > purposes. The prop should only be needed for a week, at most. > > If anyone in the New England area has a Hartzell C2YL prop that has not yet > been installed, I would be happy to pick it up within a 100 miles radius of > Ashland, MA (near Framingham) and/or pay shipping charges both ways. > > Thank you. > > Michael Pilla > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:47 AM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Brumbelow" Subject: Re: RV-List: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow > > Instead of trying to borrow a prop, have you considered mounting the spinner > backplate with spacers instead? Vans or Hartzell should be able to give you the > thickness of the prop. You could use either PVC pipe or lots of washers to get > the appropriate spacing. > > Scott in MEM > RV-8A > engine running, inspections coming > > > Michael Pilla wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Pilla" > > > > Folks, > > A long story, but the short version is I would like to borrow a Hartzell > > C2YL prop so that my cowl can be fitted to my RV-4. My prop has been > > ordered, but won't be shipped until 12/20 and I would like to get the > > cowling, baffles, etc., all fitted sooner rather than later. > > > > The prop will only be placed on my engine (O-320-D1A equivalent) for fitting > > purposes. The prop should only be needed for a week, at most. > > > > If anyone in the New England area has a Hartzell C2YL prop that has not yet > > been installed, I would be happy to pick it up within a 100 miles radius of > > Ashland, MA (near Framingham) and/or pay shipping charges both ways. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Michael Pilla > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:34 AM PST US From: "Michael Pilla" Subject: Re: RV-List: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Pilla" Thanks, Scott. A couple of other folks also made the same recommendation - that is the path I'll follow. Michael Pilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Brumbelow" Subject: Re: RV-List: Borrow Hartzell C2YL Prop: New England Area > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow > > Instead of trying to borrow a prop, have you considered mounting the spinner > backplate with spacers instead? Vans or Hartzell should be able to give you the > thickness of the prop. You could use either PVC pipe or lots of washers to get > the appropriate spacing. > > Scott in MEM > RV-8A > engine running, inspections coming > > > Michael Pilla wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Pilla" > > > > Folks, > > A long story, but the short version is I would like to borrow a Hartzell > > C2YL prop so that my cowl can be fitted to my RV-4. My prop has been > > ordered, but won't be shipped until 12/20 and I would like to get the > > cowling, baffles, etc., all fitted sooner rather than later. > > > > The prop will only be placed on my engine (O-320-D1A equivalent) for fitting > > purposes. The prop should only be needed for a week, at most. > > > > If anyone in the New England area has a Hartzell C2YL prop that has not yet > > been installed, I would be happy to pick it up within a 100 miles radius of > > Ashland, MA (near Framingham) and/or pay shipping charges both ways. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Michael Pilla > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:25 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: CS Prop oil line options --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > Guys, is there a recommended life limit on flexible oil lines? Aerosport Power is quoting $165 for a rigid stainless steel line between the governor and prop, and $80 for a flexible fire-sleeved hose. Sounds like the flexible line is the obvious choice unless it has to be replaced more often. I suppose it may weigh a bit more too. Anybody see something I'm missing, or know where I might find any better prices than this? (Usually it's hard to beat Aerosport Power but it never hurts to ask...) > > --Mark Navratil > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > RV-8A N2D thinking about a CS prop... Mark, The $165 sounds about right. I paid $145 for mine about 4 years ago. Any flexible line I've researched should be replaced after 5 years, especially in a high pressure critical application like the prop governor. Not wanting to hassle with it in the future, I bit the bullet and paid the extra $ for the SS line and am glad I did. Randy Lervold RV-8, 256 hrs ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:17 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" >Big Snip< >The only problem I have > found with the EZ-Pilot is the VFD display. The unit was designed by > guys who fly those planes with the wings on the wrong end of the fuse, > and their panels are somewhat shrouded from direct sunlight. The VFD > display is cool for those guys but gets blown out in the direct sunlight > that we can get on our exposed RV panels. As long as the sun is not > shining directly on the display, it really looks nice. But I have to > shade the unit with my hand to read it when the sun is at my back. > > Sam Buchanan Had the same issue on the EM2 engine monitor I just (finally) finished development on. The filter used on VFD displays exposed to direct sunlight makes a huge difference. I know you don't want to dig into your autopilot but you might try a little patch of removable window tint (for car windows) over the display and seeing the effect. One layer of the 'dark' tint or two layers of 'medium' tint made mine direct sunlight readable. There are even better solutions out there but not ones that you can find at the corner auto parts store. Tracy Crook ( Idiot for thinking I could finish the EM2 by last June ) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:51 AM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" I wonder if this "tinted overlay" would work on iPaqs used for mapping displays (like AnywhereMap). I have a friend who removed his iPaq and AnywhereMap from his RV-6A because it wasn't sunlight readable (enough). I don't know what a VFD display is and if any PDAs use that type display. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > > >Big Snip< > > >The only problem I have > > found with the EZ-Pilot is the VFD display. . The VFD > > display gets blown out in the direct sunlight > > that we can get on our exposed RV panels. As long as the sun is not > > shining directly on the display, it really looks nice. But I have to > > shade the unit with my hand to read it when the sun is at my back. > > > > Sam Buchanan > > Had the same issue on the EM2 engine monitor I just (finally) finished > development on. The filter used on VFD displays exposed to direct sunlight > makes a huge difference. I know you don't want to dig into your autopilot > but you might try a little patch of removable window tint (for car windows) > over the display and seeing the effect. One layer of the 'dark' tint or two > layers of 'medium' tint made mine direct sunlight readable. There are even > better solutions out there but not ones that you can find at the corner auto > parts store. > > Tracy Crook ( Idiot for thinking I could finish the EM2 by last June ) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:14 AM PST US From: N13eer@aol.com Subject: Re: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com I don't think this type of filter would work very will on the Ipaq. The Ipaq actualy has a reflective display and needs light on the front to be seen. I think the main issue with the Ipaq is the touch screen prevents any type of anti-glare coating on the display. Any type of coating would get scratched off using the device. It is sun light readable but you also get the glare of the sun in your eyes. Alan Krtizman RV-8, flying with Ipaq ----- Original Message ----- I wonder if this "tinted overlay" would work on iPaqs used for mapping displays (like AnywhereMap). I have a friend who removed his iPaq and AnywhereMap from his RV-6A because it wasn't sunlight readable (enough). I don't know what a VFD display is and if any PDAs use that type display. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:59 PM PST US From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: RV-List: Fuel at LOE3 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Readers, Planning to fly to LRU tomorrow. What is the FBO of choice for fuel and parking. In my Bonanza, not RV4. Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:23 PM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: 2004 FAR/AIMs are in --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" 2004 FAR/AIMs are now in. Get yours by return e-mail, or through either of our web sites, or by phone at 800 780-4115 There are also 3-4 left of the Jeppesen Instrument/Commercial Textbooks for FREE (with any other order) This book just had some minor revisions. The new edition is $82. But I've got 3-4 copies left of the old ones, with cut off covers, available FREE for the asking. Andy www.buildersbooks.com www.pilotsbooks.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:37 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > > I wonder if this "tinted overlay" would work on iPaqs used for mapping > displays (like AnywhereMap). I have a friend who removed his iPaq and > AnywhereMap from his RV-6A because it wasn't sunlight readable (enough). > > I don't know what a VFD display is and if any PDAs use that type display. > > David Carter Filters are most effective on displays that generate their own light (like VFDs or plasma). Tried the window tint on LCD version of the EM2 and it was a miserable failure, even with the backlight on. I use AnywhereMap with an iPAQ but never tried the window tint on it. Probably would not work since it is an LCD display. I'm surprised your friend found the iPAQ not acceptable though. Tracy Crook ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:16 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: RV-List: Re: Display readability in sunlight --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Tracy Crook wrote: > I use AnywhereMap with an iPAQ but never tried the window tint on it. > Probably would not work since it is an LCD display. I'm surprised your > friend found the iPAQ not acceptable though. An important component of an iPAQ installation is a mount that allows the iPAQ to be adjusted for various reflections and lighting conditions. I have found that a slight adjustment of the RAM ball mount on my iPAQ is enough to eliminate sun glare or a reflection from the passenger's light-colored shirt. As with many reflective screens, polarized sunglasses will inhibit the apparent brightness of the iPAQ screen. But I find the iPAQ to be easy to read under all daylight conditions, and the AnywhereMap software is a supremely capable nav tool. Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:59 PM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel at LOE3 --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" Southwest Aviation is slightly cheaper than Adventure Aviation, $2.40 vs $2.44 plus they'll also give you another $.10 off if you're an AOPA member. It doesn't matter where you park, either can fuel you. But you may not have much choice. When I arrived (in the Navion) ~3:30 there were 130 RV's and a friend who arrived later said they were up to 150 plus another 150 expected to arrive on Sat. Come early. It's shaping up as a phenomenal event. Regards, Greg Young - Houston (DWH) RV-6 N6GY - Project Phoenix Navion N5221K -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bell Subject: RV-List: Fuel at LOE3 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Readers, Planning to fly to LRU tomorrow. What is the FBO of choice for fuel and parking. In my Bonanza, not RV4. Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:55 PM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 Parts --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com In a message dated 10/16/2003 11:05:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, smoothweasel@juno.com writes: Does anyone have any suggestion for buying parts(rings,gaskets....ect.) at a discounted price? Joel Graber -4 finishing Brooksville Ms I used AERO aviation 2 years ago, at the time they had the best prices. Their number (800) 910-1281. -Mike Kraus ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:29 PM PST US From: Michael McGee by Trio Avionics Subject: Re: Display readability in sunlight (was Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot by Trio Avionics --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee by Trio Avionics At 18:21 2003-10-17, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > > > > > I wonder if this "tinted overlay" would work on iPaqs used for mapping > > displays (like AnywhereMap). I have a friend who removed his iPaq and > > AnywhereMap from his RV-6A because it wasn't sunlight readable (enough). > > > > I don't know what a VFD display is and if any PDAs use that type display. > > > > David Carter > >Filters are most effective on displays that generate their own light (like >VFDs or plasma). >Tried the window tint on LCD version of the EM2 and it was a miserable >failure, even with the backlight on. > > I use AnywhereMap with an iPAQ but never tried the window tint on it. >Probably would not work since it is an LCD display. I'm surprised your >friend found the iPAQ not acceptable though. > >Tracy Crook I'm surprised as well. I've used an Ipaq/Anywhere Map for several years. The only display problem is at night when you can't turn it down enough. Then the mylar sun screen film helps. It would light up the whole canopy in the RV-4. Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR 13B in gestation mode ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:21 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Fire resistant seats From: Christopher J Fortin --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin A quick search on the net produced this: Use of Decoration Materials In University Residence Halls The following is a flame-resistant formula: Borax: 7oz. Boric Acid: 3 oz. Hot Water: 2 quarts These materials can be purchased from a drug store. The material to be treated should be dipped in or sprayed with the solution. After treatment, check several small pieces of the material to assure flame-resistance. Re-apply if sample burns after initial test. Chris Fortin N813CJ reserved Time: 06:33:07 AM PST US From: Gkb5577@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Fire resistant seats --> RV-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com There are foams that meet your criteria: ask Oregon Aero for their catalog (I've no financial ties to them)- I just got mine and it is full of a lot of interesting photos and info as well as difficult to find items. Prices are a little on the high side but they do have the research done. Does anyone know what the chemical is that you can spray on things that makes it fire resistant? It was discovered during the WWII .AO? Geoff On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:57:23 -0700 RV-List Digest Server writes: