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1. 02:01 AM - Re: Re: fire retardant (Ernest Kells)
2. 07:10 AM - Dynon-VOR Interference (John Henley)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (Larry Bowen)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: Fw: flying humor Not RV related (Dave Mader)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: 0-360 A1F6 type engine (Dave Mader)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (Dan Checkoway)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Checkered Tails (Tim Barnes)
8. 09:40 AM - RV-8 Fuselage Jig (Krhooper@aol.com)
9. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: 0-360 A1F6 type engine (Tony Castellano)
10. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: 0-360 A1F6 type engine (Gert)
11. 10:50 AM - Fw: [Wing] First Flight (Jim Jewell)
12. 10:51 AM - Center Arm Rest (Charles Brame)
13. 10:55 AM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (Sam Buchanan)
14. 11:49 AM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (John Henley)
15. 12:01 PM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (John Henley)
16. 01:11 PM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (flmike)
17. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Display readability in sunlight (Tracy Crook)
18. 01:56 PM - Re: Avionics Price (Tracy Crook)
19. 02:21 PM - LOE 3 Formation Flights (John)
20. 02:37 PM - Re: Dynon-VOR Interference (John Henley)
21. 03:10 PM - Re: LOE 3 Formation Flights. Me Too. (Denis Walsh)
22. 03:17 PM - Ohio Valley RVer's (RGray67968@aol.com)
23. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: 0-360 A1F6 type engine (Dave Mader)
24. 07:30 PM - LOE3 (Larry Pardue)
25. 07:47 PM - Re: LOE3 (Bob Hassel)
26. 08:35 PM - Re: LOE3, etc. (Brian Denk)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fire retardant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca>
> SNIP what the chemical is that you can spray on things that makes it fire
resistant? SNIP Vince
On page 123 of the ACS catalogue there is a product called Inspecta-Shield.
It claims to meet FAR standards. A quart at $15.40 will do 150 square feet.
Plenty for a couple of RVs.
This seems to meet the needs of people who wish to make their own seats
using quality commercial upholstery.
Anybody used . . . and tested this product.
Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop
90 plus % Complete - Wiring
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| Subject: | Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still love my Dynon D-10.
I do however have a problem that concerns me: the D-10 emits enough RFI to render
the VOR/LOC receiver inoperative unless within approx 7 miles of the station.
The VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off rectifies the
problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM away. I have a wingtip mounted VOR
antenna.
Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem and are working on
it. I was wondering if anyone on the list has had a similar problem and fixed
it and if so how.
John Henley
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| Subject: | Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Do you have the external compass module? Is the lead going to it
shielded?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Henley [mailto:henley@seii.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
>
> I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still
> love my Dynon D-10. I do however have a problem that concerns
> me: the D-10 emits enough RFI to render the VOR/LOC receiver
> inoperative unless within approx 7 miles of the station. The
> VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off
> rectifies the problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM
> away. I have a wingtip mounted VOR antenna.
>
> Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem
> and are working on it. I was wondering if anyone on the list
> has had a similar problem and fixed it and if so how.
>
> John Henley
>
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| Subject: | Fw: flying humor Not RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
test
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Stribling
Subject: RV-List: Fw: flying humor Not RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Stribling" <ken@soundsuckers.com>
Message
----- Original Message -----
: flying humor
do not archive
After every flight, pilots fill out a form called a gripe sheet, which
conveys to the mechanics problems encountered with the aircraft during the
flight that need repair or correction. The mechanics read and correct the
problem, and then respond in writing on the lower half of the form what
remedial action was taken, and the pilot reviews the gripe sheets before the
next flight.
Never let it be said that ground crews and engineers lack a sense of humor.
Here are some actual logged maintenance complaints and problems as submitted
by Qantas pilots and the solution recorded by maintenance engineers. By the
way, Qantas is the only major airline that has never had an accident.
P Problem logged by the pilot.
S Solution and action taken by the mechanics.
P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.
S: Almost replaced left inside main tire.
P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.
P: Something loose in cockpit.
S: Something tightened in cockpit.
P: Dead bugs on windshield.
S: Live bugs on back-order.
P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent.
S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.
P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.
S: Evidence removed.
P: DME volume unbelievably loud.
S: DME volume set to more believable level.
P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
S: That's what they're there for.
P: IFF inoperative.
S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.
P: Suspected crack in windshield.
S: Suspect you're right.
P: Number 3 engine missing.
S: Engine found on right wing after brief search.
P: Aircraft handles funny.
S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious.
P: Target radar hums.
S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics.
P: Mouse in cockpit.
S: Cat installed.
P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding
on something with a hammer.
S: Took hammer away from midget.
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| Subject: | RE: 0-360 A1F6 type engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
I recently acquired an 0-360 A1F6D engine. This engine has the single-drive
duel mag set-up(not the H model 0-320). What I would like to do is ad
electronic ignition to one set of plugs for a more truly redundant system.
Lightspeed said that you can bolt up just one mag to the acces. case where
the duel mag set-up goes but they aren't sure if you need any different type
of gear combination to do this. My only other option is to use duel
electronic, but I would rather use the mag/electronic. Anybody else use or
hear of doing this?.....Thanks in advance
Dave Mader
2nd 6
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
John,
Thanks for the report. Sorry to bombard you with questions, but here
goes... 8-)
I'm curious what your panel layout is like, what type of nav/com you have,
what type of VOR antenna you're using, where your VOR antenna is located,
what type of antenna wire (RG58, RG400, etc.), dimensions between the D10
and your nav/com head, where your VOR antenna is located, how close the D10
is to your VOR antenna wire, etc.
I don't know how many of these factors are relevant, but I'd just like to
find out what the offending factors really are.
If Wheeler is listening, did you have the same issue?
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
Subject: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
>
> I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still love my Dynon
D-10. I do however have a problem that concerns me: the D-10 emits enough
RFI to render the VOR/LOC receiver inoperative unless within approx 7 miles
of the station. The VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off
rectifies the problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM away. I have a
wingtip mounted VOR antenna.
>
> Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem and are
working on it. I was wondering if anyone on the list has had a similar
problem and fixed it and if so how.
>
> John Henley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Checkered Tails |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Barnes" <meangreenrv4@hotmail.com>
The size of the checkers are most definitely is to the eye of the builder
but in my opinion I found that 3" checkers worked well for me on my RV 4
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
>From: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Checkered Tails
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:35:20 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
>
>Listers,
>
>For those that have decided to put a checkered rudder on there air 'chines,
>what is best size of checker to paint. I am thinking either 4" or 5"
>checkers, but not really sure. Can anyone shed some light on this? I have
>heard in the past that there is an optimal size that looks the best.
>
>Scott
>
>
Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed
Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers.
https://broadband.msn.com
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| Subject: | RV-8 Fuselage Jig |
--> RV-List message posted by: Krhooper@aol.com
Anyone around Nashville in need of a fuselage jig is welcome to mine. Please
respond off list or @ (615)298-8393. Do not archive.
Randy Hooper
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 0-360 A1F6 type engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Castellano" <tcastell@bestweb.net>
Check the archives.
I've done this and posted it to this list more than once.
Tony Castellano
tcastell@bestweb.net
Hopewell Junction, NY
RV-6
N401TC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
Subject: RV-List: RE: 0-360 A1F6 type engine
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
>
> I recently acquired an 0-360 A1F6D engine. This engine has the
single-drive
> duel mag set-up(not the H model 0-320). What I would like to do is ad
> electronic ignition to one set of plugs for a more truly redundant system.
> Lightspeed said that you can bolt up just one mag to the acces. case where
> the duel mag set-up goes but they aren't sure if you need any different
type
> of gear combination to do this. My only other option is to use duel
> electronic, but I would rather use the mag/electronic. Anybody else use
or
> hear of doing this?.....Thanks in advance
>
>
> Dave Mader
> 2nd 6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 0-360 A1F6 type engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Why not use a flywheel pick-up for the electronic ignition and leave the
rear for the magneto??
Dave Mader wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
>
> I recently acquired an 0-360 A1F6D engine. This engine has the single-drive
> duel mag set-up(not the H model 0-320). What I would like to do is ad
> electronic ignition to one set of plugs for a more truly redundant system.
> Lightspeed said that you can bolt up just one mag to the acces. case where
> the duel mag set-up goes but they aren't sure if you need any different type
> of gear combination to do this. My only other option is to use duel
> electronic, but I would rather use the mag/electronic. Anybody else use or
> hear of doing this?.....Thanks in advance
>
>
> Dave Mader
> 2nd 6
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| Subject: | Fw: [Wing] First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
This from North of the 49th parallel this morning.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Tunzelmann" <kiwirv6@telus.net>
Subject: [Wing] First Flight
> Just to let you know that my RV-6 C-GZAX defied the forces of gravity at
> Josephburg on Saturday 18th. Weather was perfect with visibility at
> unlimited and winds virtually zero. Test pilot James Jesperson took her up
> for 35 minutes then we stripped the cowls did some checks and revised the
> spinner clearance as the prop rubbed lightly, most likely on the runup
prop
> cycle. No oil leaks. Then back together and I was at the controls with
some
> dual checking from James. As this is a new engine we saw some better
speeds
> on the second flight. At the moment I am running no gear leg fairings or
> wheel pants and am seeing 175mph IAS at 75% and have not verified the ASI
> with GPS. Overall it is exactly how I expected it and advice to the other
> buildes - don't give up, you will thouroughly enjoy the day you get there.
>
> Barry E Tunzelmann
> email: kiwirv6@telus.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wing mailing list
> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
Jim in Kelowna
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
Rick,
I am also interested in your center arm rest. Unfortunately, my ISP
(RoadRunner) is currently blocked from sending email to AOL
recipients,thus I can't send you a message back channel.
Do you have the photos on a web site? Or
Can you forward photos to me?
I would also be interested in some plans, rough, hand drawn, or otherwise.
Thanks,
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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> Time: 05:59:21 PM PST US
> From: RGray67968@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Center arm rest length
> at.a.big.ISP@matronics.com
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
>
> Dana,
> I put a center console in my flying RV after seeing Mike's. I don't know how
> I ever flew without it and, it would surely be missed if I removed it
> tomorrow. Mine is all aluminum angle construction with .020 side skins and .032
> hinged
> top - padded and covered to match the interior. Great for storing items and
> in flight snacks, laying your seat belts across so they don't get mixed up,
> pilot/pass divider, and a good elbow support for throttle management during
> formation. Make yours as long OR short as YOU want to suit YOUR needs (heard
that
>
> before huh :
> ). I just sent you a couple pics of mine to give you something to
> go by.
> Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Henley [mailto:henley@seii.net]
>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:11 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
>>
>>I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still
>>love my Dynon D-10. I do however have a problem that concerns
>>me: the D-10 emits enough RFI to render the VOR/LOC receiver
>>inoperative unless within approx 7 miles of the station. The
>>VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off
>>rectifies the problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM
>>away. I have a wingtip mounted VOR antenna.
>>
>>Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem
>>and are working on it. I was wondering if anyone on the list
>>has had a similar problem and fixed it and if so how.
>>
>> John Henley
>>
Yes, I have been dealing with the EMI issue with the Dynon. Like you, I
am very impressed with the D-10, but the initial install was a bit
challenging. One problem had to do with a bad magnetometer and has been
successfully resolved. The other issue which is still present but now
very manageable, is the EMI emitted primarily via the EDC remote
magnetometer serial connection. I doubt that antenna location, radio
stack location and other such physical items are going to have much
impact on whether or not EMI is present in a particular Dynon installation.
It appears the EDC is transmitting considerable RFI back up to the D-10
via the EDC power feed. The noise then is passed along by the D-10 out
the main power and keep-alive feeds to the avionics bus. EMI is a very
strange and unpredictable animal that often flaunts logic. In my case,
the noise was very noticeable through the com radio, even to the point
of often breaking the squelch. But, it wasn't consistent; even though
always present, it varied depending on the frequency in use, the time
zone I was in, and what I had eaten earlier in the day. In other words,
there was little pattern to the madness. The nav side of the radio was
completely unaffected.
After some basic troubleshooting (disconnecting the EDC while the D-10
was running) it was determined that the EDC was indeed the culprit. Doug
at Dynon was working through the problem and suggested I power the EDC
via a different point on the avionics bus. That I did, and the noise was
drastically reduced. As a part of Dynon's troubleshooting, I also
installed some capacitors in the D-10 and the EDC and that lowered the
noise level a bit more.
Bottom line, at this point in time there is still a very low amplitude
noise in the my com radio which is only noticeable when receiving very
weak signals. The separate power feed for the EDC "solved" most of the
EMI problem. But the Dynon guys realize this is not a true solution
since now the remote mag is isolated from the back-up power features of
the D-10, and the EMI is still being generated. Also, the separate power
feed can create some weird issues when using the support program to
customize the EFIS. It is necessary to interrupt the power to the EDC
when the D-10 is rebooted or the support program can hang since the EDC
is still in a "Loader" mode.
I suspect there are many Dynon installations that have the noise issue
but the builder doesn't know because the source of the noise is buried
in the chaos of getting a new panel up and running and the builder is
chasing all sorts of shielding ideas trying to figure out where the
static is coming from. By the way, one of the first steps I took was to
replace the CAT-5 cable I was using for the remote mag with
four-conductor shielded cable, but that had no impact on the problem. I
also shielded the main EFIS power cable but that likewise had no impact.
So shielding does not seem to be the answer, and the EMI bug will affect
some installations and not others until Dynon gets a handle on the
problem. If nothing else, the remote mag can be disconnected and the
"problem" goes away (along with a *very* accurate heading indicator if
the mag installation is carefully done!).
In my opinion, this in no way should be a discouragement to buying a
Dyon EFIS. The unit works as advertised, and I am very confident the
Dynon crew will squash this bug and do what is right to rectify the
situation for those who find it necessary.
John, try the separate power feed for the EDC and your nav will probably
again be usable.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
Larry,
I disconnected the ext compass module at the D-10 plug but even with
the compass module unpowered, the interference is still there. It is
unshielded.
John Henley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
> Do you have the external compass module? Is the lead going to it
> shielded?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Henley [mailto:henley@seii.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
> >
> > I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still
> > love my Dynon D-10. I do however have a problem that concerns
> > me: the D-10 emits enough RFI to render the VOR/LOC receiver
> > inoperative unless within approx 7 miles of the station. The
> > VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off
> > rectifies the problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM
> > away. I have a wingtip mounted VOR antenna.
> >
> > Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem
> > and are working on it. I was wondering if anyone on the list
> > has had a similar problem and fixed it and if so how.
> >
> > John Henley
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
Dan,
My D-10 is located directly in front of the pilot seat. To the right of that
is an EXP IIIC GPS and to the right of that is my COM/NAV KX 125. The VOR
antenna cable (RG 58) runs right and down. through the hole in the wing spar
and out to the right wing tip where I have the Vans copper tape type antenna
installed. I guess the VOR is about 8-9" from the D-10. My remote compass
module is located on the fuselage floor directly in front of the pilot, just
in front of the wing spar, with the wiring going down the left side of the
fuselage.
John Henley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for the report. Sorry to bombard you with questions, but here
> goes... 8-)
>
> I'm curious what your panel layout is like, what type of nav/com you have,
> what type of VOR antenna you're using, where your VOR antenna is located,
> what type of antenna wire (RG58, RG400, etc.), dimensions between the D10
> and your nav/com head, where your VOR antenna is located, how close the
D10
> is to your VOR antenna wire, etc.
>
> I don't know how many of these factors are relevant, but I'd just like to
> find out what the offending factors really are.
>
> If Wheeler is listening, did you have the same issue?
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
> >
> > I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still love my
Dynon
> D-10. I do however have a problem that concerns me: the D-10 emits enough
> RFI to render the VOR/LOC receiver inoperative unless within approx 7
miles
> of the station. The VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off
> rectifies the problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM away. I have a
> wingtip mounted VOR antenna.
> >
> > Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem and are
> working on it. I was wondering if anyone on the list has had a similar
> problem and fixed it and if so how.
> >
> > John Henley
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
Sounds like a job for some clamp-on ferrite filters.
One on the cable bundle connecting to the Dynon right
at the connector, and one at the compass module.
http://www.steward.com/web_parts.asp?line=EMC+%2F+EMI+&family=Ferrite+Cores+for+Cables+%2D++Wiring+Harnesses+%2D+Connectors&progroup=Round+and+Cylindrical+Cores&product=Broadband+Split+%2F+Snap%2Don+Ferrite+Cores+for+Round+Cables
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Display readability in sunlight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
>
> I know this is off the original thread but, I have had nothing but trouble
> down loading and then transferring up dates into my ipac, in every
instance
> that I have tried to do it I have had to call for help. Is this just me
or
> have others had problems loading up dates too?
Nearly went nuts one day trying to do this when I finally noticed all the
'garbage' hung on the end of the downloaded file name. (From my feeble
memory), When the "Save As" window comes up, put the cursor on the file
name and delete all the crap after "filename.exe" then continue with the
download.
I have no idea why they made this necessary.
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics Price |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
I second that endorsement for John Stark. But I *do* like the nice
altitude report display & timers on the GTX-327 I got there.
Tracy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Give John Stark a call. He tends to have the best prices around (as far
as
> I've seen).
>
> http://www.starkavionics.com
>
> For what it's worth, I chose the GTX-320A over the -327. It was a full
> pound lighter and a bit shallower. On the flip side, the digital -327
would
> only have been a hundred bucks more (from Stark). He tried to talk me
into
> it, but I wanted to stay light and simple (knobs). Anyway, just my 2
cents.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
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| Subject: | LOE 3 Formation Flights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Just a big "Thanks" to the nine RV's that flew the formation flights at
LOE3. You added a lot to the event, and the precision of your flights was
really great. I don't have your names or I would thank you personally. You
folks did a GREAT job!!
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon-VOR Interference |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
Sam,
Thanks for the input. I will try your suggestion for separate power for
the EDC. I did try running the D-10 and the EDC off of a backup battery but
that did not help.
As a side note. I saw you come in at the Hartsell fly-in but didn't get
a chance to say hi as I was trying to beat some weather into getting home
but it didn't work. Went into the clouds over Crestview at 10,800 and broke
out at 400'. So much for another weather forecast. The Dynon performed like
a champ.
John Henley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: John Henley [mailto:henley@seii.net]
> >>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> >>To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RV-List: Dynon-VOR Interference
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Henley" <henley@seii.net>
> >>
> >>I recently flew my RV7 from Fl to Spokane and back and still
> >>love my Dynon D-10. I do however have a problem that concerns
> >>me: the D-10 emits enough RFI to render the VOR/LOC receiver
> >>inoperative unless within approx 7 miles of the station. The
> >>VOR voice is nothing but static. Turning the D-10 off
> >>rectifies the problem and the VOR will receive up to 100 NM
> >>away. I have a wingtip mounted VOR antenna.
> >>
> >>Dynon said they have had several complaints on this problem
> >>and are working on it. I was wondering if anyone on the list
> >>has had a similar problem and fixed it and if so how.
> >>
> >> John Henley
> >>
>
>
> Yes, I have been dealing with the EMI issue with the Dynon. Like you, I
> am very impressed with the D-10, but the initial install was a bit
> challenging. One problem had to do with a bad magnetometer and has been
> successfully resolved. The other issue which is still present but now
> very manageable, is the EMI emitted primarily via the EDC remote
> magnetometer serial connection. I doubt that antenna location, radio
> stack location and other such physical items are going to have much
> impact on whether or not EMI is present in a particular Dynon
installation.
>
> It appears the EDC is transmitting considerable RFI back up to the D-10
> via the EDC power feed. The noise then is passed along by the D-10 out
> the main power and keep-alive feeds to the avionics bus. EMI is a very
> strange and unpredictable animal that often flaunts logic. In my case,
> the noise was very noticeable through the com radio, even to the point
> of often breaking the squelch. But, it wasn't consistent; even though
> always present, it varied depending on the frequency in use, the time
> zone I was in, and what I had eaten earlier in the day. In other words,
> there was little pattern to the madness. The nav side of the radio was
> completely unaffected.
>
> After some basic troubleshooting (disconnecting the EDC while the D-10
> was running) it was determined that the EDC was indeed the culprit. Doug
> at Dynon was working through the problem and suggested I power the EDC
> via a different point on the avionics bus. That I did, and the noise was
> drastically reduced. As a part of Dynon's troubleshooting, I also
> installed some capacitors in the D-10 and the EDC and that lowered the
> noise level a bit more.
>
> Bottom line, at this point in time there is still a very low amplitude
> noise in the my com radio which is only noticeable when receiving very
> weak signals. The separate power feed for the EDC "solved" most of the
> EMI problem. But the Dynon guys realize this is not a true solution
> since now the remote mag is isolated from the back-up power features of
> the D-10, and the EMI is still being generated. Also, the separate power
> feed can create some weird issues when using the support program to
> customize the EFIS. It is necessary to interrupt the power to the EDC
> when the D-10 is rebooted or the support program can hang since the EDC
> is still in a "Loader" mode.
>
> I suspect there are many Dynon installations that have the noise issue
> but the builder doesn't know because the source of the noise is buried
> in the chaos of getting a new panel up and running and the builder is
> chasing all sorts of shielding ideas trying to figure out where the
> static is coming from. By the way, one of the first steps I took was to
> replace the CAT-5 cable I was using for the remote mag with
> four-conductor shielded cable, but that had no impact on the problem. I
> also shielded the main EFIS power cable but that likewise had no impact.
>
>
> So shielding does not seem to be the answer, and the EMI bug will affect
> some installations and not others until Dynon gets a handle on the
> problem. If nothing else, the remote mag can be disconnected and the
> "problem" goes away (along with a *very* accurate heading indicator if
> the mag installation is carefully done!).
>
> In my opinion, this in no way should be a discouragement to buying a
> Dyon EFIS. The unit works as advertised, and I am very confident the
> Dynon crew will squash this bug and do what is right to rectify the
> situation for those who find it necessary.
>
> John, try the separate power feed for the EDC and your nav will probably
> again be usable.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LOE 3 Formation Flights. Me Too. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
John I don't either but I recognized Stu McCurdy's fearless voice giving the
instructions to Falcon Flight. I believe he was augmented by the inimitable
So Cal group. It was a great display of precision, and to really show his
talent, the normal traffic was able to continue to land and take off without
any inconvenience that I noticed.
To sum it up, not just a great show but quite a display of professional
airmanship, consideration, and safe flight.
Way to go Stu, and all the others. My hat is off to you.
P. s. I couldn't believe my eyes but when they landed I saw they had a
Mascot!! An animal painted up to look like a Thorpe T-18! Sooo I guess
technically it was only eight RVs + the Thorpe who also did a great job, no
kidding.
PPS the fly in was a huge success. My estimate was well over 200, but very
hard to count. There must have been 300 plus at the banquet.
PPPs. Great Kudos to Red and all the folks at Adventure Aviation, who
really came through for us. Be sure and give them all the business you can,
folks.
> From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:17:54 -0600
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: LOE 3 Formation Flights
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> Just a big "Thanks" to the nine RV's that flew the formation flights at
> LOE3. You added a lot to the event, and the precision of your flights was
> really great. I don't have your names or I would thank you personally. You
> folks did a GREAT job!!
>
> John at Salida, CO
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ohio Valley RVer's |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
To ALL the RV fliers, builders, and dreamers in/near the Ohio
Valley.........we are in the process of starting NEW RV WING here in the Ohio Valley
and have
just created a new Yahoo group called the Ohio Valley RVators. Our hopes are
that this will enable us to meet LOTS more RVer's for lunch on the weekends,
help folks with their RV projects, and enable builders to checkout the 'real'
thing (and RIDE in 'em) at our get togethers throughout the Ohio Valley.
Here's a link to our NEW Yahoo Discussion Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OhioValleyRVators/
According to Dan Checkoway's RV Finder we have about 80 flying RV's in the
area and the RV White Pages tell us that we have TONS of builders. Don't miss
out on the fun......Yup.........it's RV heaven!!!
Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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| Subject: | RE: 0-360 A1F6 type engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
Gert
The flywheel is fine for the electronic part of the ignition. An 0-360
A1F6D has a 30 lb. appendage bolted to the accessory case which houses both
mags. I would like to use a single, new, slick mag, and bolt it in the
accessory spot designated for the dual set-up.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gert
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: 0-360 A1F6 type engine
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Why not use a flywheel pick-up for the electronic ignition and leave the
rear for the magneto??
Dave Mader wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
>
> I recently acquired an 0-360 A1F6D engine. This engine has the
single-drive
> duel mag set-up(not the H model 0-320). What I would like to do is ad
> electronic ignition to one set of plugs for a more truly redundant system.
> Lightspeed said that you can bolt up just one mag to the acces. case where
> the duel mag set-up goes but they aren't sure if you need any different
type
> of gear combination to do this. My only other option is to use duel
> electronic, but I would rather use the mag/electronic. Anybody else use
or
> hear of doing this?.....Thanks in advance
>
>
> Dave Mader
> 2nd 6
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Listers:
For anyone who is interested. I have a few pictures and comments on the
LOE3 Las Cruces fly-in at:
http://n5lp.net/LOE3.htm
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Larry thanks for the pictures! It's always great to see home!
Bob Hassel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Pardue
Subject: RV-List: LOE3
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Listers:
For anyone who is interested. I have a few pictures and comments on the
LOE3 Las Cruces fly-in at:
http://n5lp.net/LOE3.htm
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Listers:
>
>For anyone who is interested. I have a few pictures and comments on the
>LOE3 Las Cruces fly-in at:
>
>http://n5lp.net/LOE3.htm
>
>Larry Pardue
>Carlsbad, NM
>
Great job, Larry! It was a truly groovy event, as it always is. Your new
Brompton bike was a total class act too. Debbie insists we get one, or two,
for the RV10. You must have put on some serious mileage.
Red, Doug and the entire staff at the FBO handled an obviously overwhelming
flow of RV'ers this weekend in a truly professional manner. I noted no
major safety issues, hassles or frays in any form. Simply show up, tie
down, and wait for the beer truck to pull up!! No kidding here folks, I had
no sooner tied down and deplaned and here comes the brew...keg style, in the
back of a pickup. Lets see the EAA top THAT act.
The banquet was great too, but I think the catering folks were a bit freaked
out at the turnout. All got fed from what I could see, but not much was
left over. Red did his usual bangup job of reminding all of us how
fortunate we are to build and fly these magic carpets of ours. He mentioned
some interesting numbers from the recent aircraft manufacturers association
annual report....regarding total production of various GA aircraft. Van's
blew them all away. Okay okay, so Pipercessnabeech planes are already built
for you, but where's the fun in that?
I was most fortunate in getting a ride in the -10 with Ken K. as master of
ceremonies in the left seat, and Laird "fowling piece" Owens riding shotgun
behind me. (Someone had to analyze the beer cooler size capacity of the
aircraft while in flight.) Suffice it to say that this airplane is pure RV
to the bone, with gentlemanly manners applied in all the right places to
make touring a truly pleasant experience. The advertised numbers are for
real, folks. We climbed out with three aboard in southern New Mexican heat
at 100mph, with somewhere around 1300fpm on the gauge. Cruise trim showed
167kts groundspeed in a very calm atmosphere. This was around 24 square, I
believe. Stalls are a non-event. You'd have to be already braindead to
miss the cues. Landing is a breeze...trim it, set power, and groove down
the centerline. Whatta plane! I have to admit to a very strange sensation
when the speed bled off after mains touchdown....WHERE'S THE $%$&@$
TAILWHEEL?!?!?!! Oh....don't have one on this airplane. Duh! I was in my
usual happy feet mode, ready to pounce on a pending ground loop before it
could get ugly, but it's just not necessary with the train...uh...NOSEwheel
up front.
Again, my kudos to the organizers of LOE3. It just doesn't get any better.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
350 hrs.
RV10 40051 untold hours to first flight.
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