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1. 05:47 AM - Re: Questions about Elevators (Dana Overall)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing (Neil McLeod)
3. 08:03 AM - Re: Questions about Elevators (Jim Oke)
4. 09:06 AM - Re: Questions about Elevators (Wier, Daniel C.)
5. 09:12 AM - Seat Mounting! (Lwfeatherston@aol.com)
6. 09:54 AM - Re: Questions about Elevators (Karie Daniel)
7. 12:11 PM - Painting the Airplane! (Lwfeatherston@aol.com)
8. 01:03 PM - Re: Painting the Airplane! (Alex Peterson)
9. 04:15 PM - Prop/Spinner Spacing--Rehash! (Lwfeatherston@aol.com)
10. 04:18 PM - Re: Seat Mounting! (Lwfeatherston@aol.com)
11. 06:18 PM - Dynon Customer Service (Don Diehl)
12. 06:24 PM - RV-8 firewall duct location? (Jack Blomgren)
13. 07:23 PM - Re: Rocket-List: Prop/Spinner Spacing--Rehash! (u2nelson)
14. 07:35 PM - RV-7 Elevator horn problem (Charles L. Cotton)
15. 09:25 PM - firesleeve prop governor hose (Dan Checkoway)
16. 09:26 PM - Re: RV-8 firewall duct location? (Brian Denk)
17. 09:48 PM - Re: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing (Randy Lervold)
18. 10:44 PM - Re: firesleeve prop governor hose (Jim Jewell)
19. 10:46 PM - Re: RV-7 Elevator horn problem (Wier, Daniel C.)
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about Elevators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Daniel, go to http://rvflying.tripod.com/rv7/id20.html , I have documented
the required cutout for the new counterweight cutout there. Nope, you
didn't do anything wrong.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Questions about Elevators
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:35:30 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
>
>I am having a hard time figuring out how the elevators mount on the
>Horizontal Stab. I mounted them on the HZ Stab but the counter weight
>seems to be too long or something else is wrong. I have some pictures
>here of what it looks like and I just can't figure it out.
>
>http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1382.JPG
>http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1383.JPG
>http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1384.JPG
>http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1385.JPG
>
>Forgive my ignorance if it is something easy I am missing.
>
>Thanks,
>Daniel Wier
>RV-7
>Daniel@TheGreatWhite.net
>www.buildtherv7.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Neil McLeod <neilmcleod@direcway.com>
Randy,
How about tossing us a bone here, just what is the 200 RV?
Neil McLeod
still searching for the perfect aerobatic prop for my 7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
>
> Scott,
>
> I will be testing the new Whirl Wind 200RV. I just received it today,
installed it tonight, and weighed it before installation: 41 lbs for the
complete assembly including all fasteners compared to 59 for the Hartzell.
I'll balance it and fly it tomorrow, testing could be as soon as next
weekend. Information as it develops will be added to the Prop page on my web
site found at...
> www.rv-8.com/Prop.htm
>
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-8.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Clarkson
> To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:29 PM
> Subject: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing
>
>
> I've spent the last month trying to figure out what prop to order and I
still haven't made up my mind. I think I ruled out the Hartzell models for
weight and vibration issues. I spoke with Whirlwind (really nice people)
but can't order their 3 blade because I'm running Lasar ignition. I'm
intrigued by the 2 blade RV model coming out but it won't be till the
beginning of the year at best. I'm leaning toward the MT 3 blade for
smoothness and weight savings.
>
> In the archives I've gathered that the spinner/cowling spacing should
remain the same (or close) regardless of what prop I decide to go with. I
would like to install my cowling using the prop simulator spacers and Van's
spinner back plate but the archives warn that Van's recommended 2.250" PVC
prop spacers between the ring gear and spinner back plate are too long.
They should be more like 2.125". Could someone verify the spacer length so
I don't toast my cowling and maybe lend some advice about using this method?
I just want be accurate and keep the project rolling along.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott Clarkson
> Propellerless in NJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about Elevators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Dan;
The horizontal stab skins are supplied a bit oversize in this area to allow
for some variation in building technique, sizing, etc. Simply trim the stab
skin to provide a neat and acceptable gap from the elevator horn. The trim
will all take place outside the stab tip rib so it will be simply cosmetic
in nature. Only important thing is to make sure the gap is as per the plans
to avoid possible inflight control interference and jamming.
Jim Oke
RV-6A C-GKGZ
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
Subject: RV-List: Questions about Elevators
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C."
<daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
>
> I am having a hard time figuring out how the elevators mount on the
> Horizontal Stab. I mounted them on the HZ Stab but the counter weight
> seems to be too long or something else is wrong. I have some pictures
> here of what it looks like and I just can't figure it out.
>
> http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1382.JPG
> http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1383.JPG
> http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1384.JPG
> http://www.buildtherv7.com/files/DCP_1385.JPG
>
> Forgive my ignorance if it is something easy I am missing.
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel Wier
> RV-7
> Daniel@TheGreatWhite.net
> www.buildtherv7.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Questions about Elevators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
Thank you everyone for your help. I did not realize there is going to
be much modding out from the original plans. This is good for me to
know for the rest of the airframe. I imagine there will be many times
that there will be variants for different styles of builders and things
like that. Again thanks for helping me out.
Daniel Wier
Wilmore, KY - RV-7
www.BuildtheRV7.com
Daniel@ThegreatWhite.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Do Not Archive Has anyone had any experience mounting fiberglass bucket
seats in the RV series aircraft. I have a set of Jon Johannson "Velo" seats, and
am looking for any advice from those who have trod there before. I love the
seats, and to answer the BIG question, they weigh 9 1/2 lbs each, and the RV
seat backs with no upholstery weigh 3 lbs apiece, so if you cannot make
upholstery significantly under 5 lbs there is no severe penalty. I'll report on
the
comfort factor next week after 10 hrs to Florida, and back. Thank you, Les
717-466-4663 DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about Elevators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
<I did not realize there is going to be much modding out from the original
plans.>
Daniel,
My plans actually call out removing this portion of the HS so the elevator
fits. If yours don't it could be that you just have some outdated plans. I
actually left it as is for a while until I completed almost all the other
steps of the empennage, it's a nice way to keep it attached and stable while
you are working on and around this area.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Questions about Elevators
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C."
<daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
>
> Thank you everyone for your help. I did not realize there is going to
> be much modding out from the original plans. This is good for me to
> know for the rest of the airframe. I imagine there will be many times
> that there will be variants for different styles of builders and things
> like that. Again thanks for helping me out.
>
> Daniel Wier
> Wilmore, KY - RV-7
> www.BuildtheRV7.com
> Daniel@ThegreatWhite.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting the Airplane! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Do Not Archive Can anyone offer any assistance/advice about designing a
paint scheme? I have the paper line drawings that Mark Frederick (or someone)
came up with, but was wondering if there is a computer program that the complete
idiot could run? Do you use 50 rolls of masking tape experimenting? I even
considered painting on the hangar wall with spray cans. Any suggestions would
be very helpful. Thank you, Les Featherston N206KT's, and 45hrs.
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| Subject: | Painting the Airplane! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> Can anyone offer any assistance/advice about
> designing a
> paint scheme? I have the paper line drawings that Mark
> Frederick (or someone)
> came up with, but was wondering if there is a computer
> program that the complete
> idiot could run?
Les, good question.
One way to design the paint scheme is to make a line drawing of the
appropriate RV - I traced a photo with some appropriate view. Then, I
laid tracing paper over the line drawing, and used various color pens I
bought at an art store to design away. Don't try to make each one
perfect - you might make a hundred different designs. If one catches
your fancy, then hone in on it. I can't imagine doing this step on a
computer - our imaginations run about 100 times faster than you could
make the computer "draw".
Good luck -
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 395 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Prop/Spinner Spacing--Rehash! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Don't remember who told me this (sorry), but it was a wonderful suggestion.
When fitting the cowling, lower the top edge relative to the spinner about
1/4" to 3/8". Looks terrible for the first few hours, but after the first few
months the motor mounts SAG into place, and the thing matches perfectly. I used
the 3/8" idea on my Rocket (heavier engine) and with only 45 hrs/two months
the gap is down to 3/16". I may be fool, but I may look pretty good by Sun n
Fun. Just a suggestion which I am sure all the repeat offenders already know,
hope somebody likes it. DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Mounting! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Dear Les, You fool, your phone number is 417-(not 717) 466-4663. Just
thought you'd like to be the first to know, signed Les DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Dynon Customer Service |
--> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl <diehldon@comcast.net>
Everything went well with my EFIS installation until it came to AOA
calibration.
After a couple of phone conversations Doug Medema, Dynon VP for
Engineering, suggested meeting me at Arlingtion airport. He brought a
computer and Brice, the wizard to run it. A short conversation
identified the cockpit problem.
After pushing the AOA STALL button to start the 45 second timer, then
flying the stall, let the timer time out before doing anything else.
When I let the timer time out, everything worked as advertised.
Doug and Brice were most generous with their time providing a critique
and fine tuning of my installation.
This is customer service above and beyond any standards I have
experienced with aviation products.
ATTA BOY Dynon, way to go!
Don Diehl
Bremerton WA
RV-4, N28EW
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| Subject: | RV-8 firewall duct location? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
-8 Builders,
Is there any accepted best (X-Y) location through a -8 firewall for cockpit
heater duct entrance? Your knowledge and/or experience much appreciated.
Guessing this work easier done before hanging engine, right? Thanks in
advance.
Jack
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| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List: Prop/Spinner Spacing--Rehash! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "u2nelson" <u2nelson@prodigy.net>
John Harmon told me this, and I followed his suggestion. Set up the cowl to
line up with the spinner perfect. Then when and if the engine mount sags,
mine did, just shim the engine back into place with .032 shims between the
engine mount and the isolators. Very easy to do, and keeps the thrust line
consistent.
Greg Nelson
N144X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Prop/Spinner Spacing--Rehash!
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Don't remember who told me this (sorry), but it was a wonderful suggestion.
When fitting the cowling, lower the top edge relative to the spinner about
1/4" to 3/8". Looks terrible for the first few hours, but after the first
few
months the motor mounts SAG into place, and the thing matches perfectly. I
used
the 3/8" idea on my Rocket (heavier engine) and with only 45 hrs/two months
the gap is down to 3/16". I may be fool, but I may look pretty good by Sun
n
Fun. Just a suggestion which I am sure all the repeat offenders already
know,
hope somebody likes it. DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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| Subject: | RV-7 Elevator horn problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles L. Cotton" <charles@cottonfamily.com>
Guys:
I have a problem with the left elevator horn. The holes attaching it to
the rib are fine, but the horn does not "mate" to the spar. It appears the
root rib is set too far inboard, especially when compared to the right
elevator horn that fit perfectly. Has anyone had this problem? I'll call
Van's on Monday, but it sure brings things to a halt for this weekend!
Photos at
http://www.cottonfamily.com/RV-7A_Project/images/Construction/Problems/Problem_photos
Thanks,
Chas.
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| Subject: | firesleeve prop governor hose |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
On my AeroSport IO-360, the prop governor oil hose is firesleeved...that's
how it came from Bart. I'm curious if firesleeve is required and/or advised
for this hose, i.e. it's considered bad practice NOT to firesleeve it.
The reason I'm asking is because removing the firesleeve is going to
simplify being able to install the hose through the front baffle.
Otherwise, with the firesleeve and its clamp in place, the hole in the front
baffle floor needs to be huuuge.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 firewall duct location? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>-8 Builders,
>
>Is there any accepted best (X-Y) location through a -8 firewall for cockpit
>heater duct entrance? Your knowledge and/or experience much appreciated.
>Guessing this work easier done before hanging engine, right? Thanks in
>advance.
>
>Jack
Mine is dead center, exiting between the rudder pedals. Your back seater
isn't going to get much of it anyway, so don't be too concerned with exact
positioning. It is easier to install it with the engine not yet installed on
the airplane.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 40051
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| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
The 200RV is a new 2-blade model designed specifically for RVs. It uses a
McCauley 215 hub instead of the 220 hub of the 200C. This hub is smaller and
lighter and better suited for the RV. It then has a brand new airfoil that
Jim Rust came up with after consulting with a couple of industry gurus.
I'll post pics of it probably tomorrow. I flew it today but didn't do any
testing.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil McLeod" <neilmcleod@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing
> --> RV-List message posted by: Neil McLeod <neilmcleod@direcway.com>
>
> Randy,
>
> How about tossing us a bone here, just what is the 200 RV?
>
> Neil McLeod
> still searching for the perfect aerobatic prop for my 7
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> To: <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>;
> <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > I will be testing the new Whirl Wind 200RV. I just received it today,
> installed it tonight, and weighed it before installation: 41 lbs for the
> complete assembly including all fasteners compared to 59 for the Hartzell.
> I'll balance it and fly it tomorrow, testing could be as soon as next
> weekend. Information as it develops will be added to the Prop page on my
web
> site found at...
> > www.rv-8.com/Prop.htm
> >
> > Randy Lervold
> > www.rv-8.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Clarkson
> > To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:29 PM
> > Subject: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing
> >
> >
> > I've spent the last month trying to figure out what prop to order and
I
> still haven't made up my mind. I think I ruled out the Hartzell models
for
> weight and vibration issues. I spoke with Whirlwind (really nice people)
> but can't order their 3 blade because I'm running Lasar ignition. I'm
> intrigued by the 2 blade RV model coming out but it won't be till the
> beginning of the year at best. I'm leaning toward the MT 3 blade for
> smoothness and weight savings.
> >
> > In the archives I've gathered that the spinner/cowling spacing should
> remain the same (or close) regardless of what prop I decide to go with. I
> would like to install my cowling using the prop simulator spacers and
Van's
> spinner back plate but the archives warn that Van's recommended 2.250" PVC
> prop spacers between the ring gear and spinner back plate are too long.
> They should be more like 2.125". Could someone verify the spacer length
so
> I don't toast my cowling and maybe lend some advice about using this
method?
> I just want be accurate and keep the project rolling along.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Scott Clarkson
> > Propellerless in NJ
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ADVERTISEMENT
> >
> >
> > Information exchange for builders of Vans Aircraft RV-8 kits.
> >
> > IF YOU WISH TO UNSUBSCRIBE, PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL TO :
> >
> > rv8list-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firesleeve prop governor hose |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Dan,
Do try to keep the firesleeve on the governor hose.
The engine Guru says, it will help insure longest life of the hose. there is
a lot of heat radiated off the exhaust down there. Note that the ends of the
firesleeve are sealed with an rtv type of sealant to keep oil mist from
collecting inside the firesleeve. this is an effort to isolate the hose
inside the stainless shroud from oil, moisture etc. I have done the same
with all the other firesleeved hoses.
Happy baffling,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: RV-List: firesleeve prop governor hose
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> On my AeroSport IO-360, the prop governor oil hose is firesleeved...that's
> how it came from Bart. I'm curious if firesleeve is required and/or
advised
> for this hose, i.e. it's considered bad practice NOT to firesleeve it.
>
> The reason I'm asking is because removing the firesleeve is going to
> simplify being able to install the hose through the front baffle.
> Otherwise, with the firesleeve and its clamp in place, the hole in the
front
> baffle floor needs to be huuuge.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Elevator horn problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
I seemed to have this same problem on mine as well. I managed to get
the holes to line up by taking the E-705 Rib and re-bending the flange
that rivets to E-702. I came to this conclusion after holding the skin
to the frame and seeing that the holes in the skin were no lined up
either. By bending the flange to a more 90 degree angle instead of the
kind of roundedness you can see of it in your pictures, it all lined up
for me. Since you already have yours riveted together the challenge I
imagine would be bending this still on the frame.
Hope that information helps you a bit.
Thanks,
Daniel Wier RV-7
www.buildtherv7.com
Daniel@ThegreatWhite.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles L. Cotton [mailto:charles@cottonfamily.com]
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles L. Cotton"
<charles@cottonfamily.com>
Guys:
I have a problem with the left elevator horn. The holes
attaching it to
the rib are fine, but the horn does not "mate" to the spar. It appears
the
root rib is set too far inboard, especially when compared to the right
elevator horn that fit perfectly. Has anyone had this problem? I'll
call
Van's on Monday, but it sure brings things to a halt for this weekend!
Photos at
http://www.cottonfamily.com/RV-7A_Project/images/Construction/Problems/P
roblem_photos
Thanks,
Chas.
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