---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/28/03: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Propeller (Marcel) 2. 05:33 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Jerry) 3. 06:28 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Larry Bowen) 4. 06:58 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Don Mack) 5. 07:58 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Bill VonDane) 6. 08:20 AM - Tailwheel clips (Wheeler North) 7. 08:34 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Rob Prior) 8. 09:23 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Matt Dralle) 9. 09:53 AM - Re: Tailwheel clips (Brian Denk) 10. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing (Neil McLeod) 11. 10:46 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Chris W) 12. 10:52 AM - Tip-Up vs. Slider (Gkb5577@aol.com) 13. 11:26 AM - Fires (Wheeler North) 14. 11:39 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Joshua Siler) 15. 11:42 AM - UPDATE - Integrated LED Position Lights & Landing Lights (Bill VonDane) 16. 11:44 AM - Re: Tailwheel clips (Larry Bowen) 17. 11:46 AM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Rob Prior) 18. 12:01 PM - RV Builder IM Network (Dan Checkoway) 19. 12:05 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Dan Checkoway) 20. 12:28 PM - Re: Fires (RV_8 Pilot) 21. 01:04 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Tedd McHenry) 22. 01:08 PM - Fw: Fires (PittsS1@aol.com) 23. 02:13 PM - Re: Fires (Scott Bilinski) 24. 02:13 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Tedd McHenry) 25. 02:25 PM - EGT/CHT probes (smoothweasel@juno.com) 26. 02:37 PM - Re: Fires (Wheeler North) 27. 03:27 PM - HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets (Tom Gummo) 28. 03:58 PM - Dynon Install Kit (Stein Bruch) 29. 04:13 PM - Tools (MARSHALL,STEPHANIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 30. 04:33 PM - Re: Tip-Up vs. Slider (Elsa & Henry) 31. 04:38 PM - Electric flap motor failures (Fred Stucklen) 32. 05:05 PM - Re: Electric flap motor failures (Larygagnon@aol.com) 33. 05:10 PM - Re: EGT/CHT probes (Ernest Kells) 34. 06:05 PM - E-721 Trim tab hinge (Jim Ellsworth) 35. 06:42 PM - Hottest CHT (Gabe A Ferrer) 36. 06:52 PM - Tail Wheel Clip Wire Ends (Gabe A Ferrer) 37. 07:42 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points (Lyle Peterson) 38. 08:02 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points (Ken Balch) 39. 08:28 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (Dave Smith) 40. 08:34 PM - Re: HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets (Doug Rozendaal) 41. 09:08 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points (Tom Gummo) 42. 09:20 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network (DANIEL W WATTERS) 43. 09:38 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points (Patrick Kelley) 44. 10:22 PM - Re: HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets (Stein Bruch) 45. 10:31 PM - Re: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points (Stein Bruch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:38 AM PST US From: "Marcel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Propeller --> RV-List message posted by: "Marcel" Thanks for your input Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "David.vonLinsowe" Subject: RV-List: Re: Propeller > --> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" > > Marcel, > > Don't forget to also cycle the blades through their pitch range and check the clearance. Without oil pressure the blades should be at the low/fine pitch limit. With someone on each blade the blades can be twisted to hi/coarse pitch. I've seen where the blade will hit the fairing behind the blade and depending on the spacers used, the rear bulkhead too. > > Dave > RV-6 > > > From: Vanremog@aol.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Propeller > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/26/2003 4:26:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, > mbourgon@elp.rr.com writes: > I have a simple question I think of all propellers installers. We have set > propeller and I am setting the spinner. The unit we are using is a constant > speed > Hartzell propeller and I was wondering how much gap should be left around > the properler so it work properly. Right now we have the spinner on and it > is good and tight with the blades. I know we need to have room around blade > I just need some one to tell me how much room is the right amount. > 1mm (.040"). > > -GV (RV-6A N1GV 671hrs) > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:19 AM PST US From: "Jerry" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry" My vote is AOL instant messenger. Jerry Doyal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Smith Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to run one system. Which one? Dave http://www.rv10project.net == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I'm not sure what you feel Trillian is lacking, except the all the ads and annoyances. It's always done everything I've needed as far as basic IM goes. I recommend it. Free too. http://trillian.cc Two cents, - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith > > I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would > rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up > all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, > but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the > best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some > of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to > > run one system. Which one? > Dave > http://www.rv10project.net > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:38 AM PST US From: "Don Mack" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" There are third party programs that will do them all in one program. Do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry" My vote is AOL instant messenger. Jerry Doyal - ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:20 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane I agree... The only place Trillian is lacking is all the foofoo that I don't really want anyway... But really, it doesn't matter which IM we decide on, because I am on all of them... -Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I'm not sure what you feel Trillian is lacking, except the all the ads and annoyances. It's always done everything I've needed as far as basic IM goes. I recommend it. Free too. http://trillian.cc Two cents, - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith > > I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would > rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up > all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, > but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the > best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some > of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to > > run one system. Which one? > Dave > http://www.rv10project.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:28 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Tailwheel clips --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North I had my first landing without one of the tailwheel springs attached. Somehow the clip got twisted up and pulled open on take off. It was a non event as I didn't even notice it until after the three point landing had slowed some. By then I just used a little brake going that way, and and used both brakes to slow it down faster than I would normally to a reasonable taxi speed. It was kinda like driving an RV 6&1/2A ;{) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:43 AM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Dave Smith wrote: > I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would > rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up > all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, > but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the > best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some > of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to > run one system. Which one? While we're at it, let's all only use one priming system for our RV's. Which one? Come on, let's all get together and choose the best one. 8-) The problem with choosing one system is that some people don't have a choice which client to use. Some Employers use IM software for inter-office connectivity, and it works quite well for that. But some use MSN, some use ICQ, etc. Unfortunately, the only sure-fire way is to get an account on all of the systems, and use a multi-headed client to connect to them all. Most of the multi-headed clients support most of the features of the native applications. They certainly all support chatting, most support file transfer. Here's the top three that I know of: Windows: Trillian. http://www.trillian.cc/ Linux: Ayttm. http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/ Gaim. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ -Rob ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:54 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Hey Listers, Regarding List Chat, I've had a request from another List at Matronics for chat and have commented to finding and hosting a solution here on the Matronics servers that will work well for everyone. Let me look into this technology a little bit and see what's out there and what works well. Rob listed some suggestions below and I can start there. I have server-class Linux systems here and a full, commercial T1 line so infrastructure to support a full chat system should be well covered. Would a web-based client system be the most desirable? No special software to download, etc.? I would appreciate any advice experts in the field might have. Matt Dralle Email List Admin At 08:34 AM 10/28/2003 Tuesday, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > >Dave Smith wrote: > > I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would > > rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up > > all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, > > but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the > > best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some > > of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to > > run one system. Which one? > >While we're at it, let's all only use one priming system for our RV's. >Which one? Come on, let's all get together and choose the best one. 8-) > >The problem with choosing one system is that some people don't have a >choice which client to use. Some Employers use IM software for >inter-office connectivity, and it works quite well for that. But some >use MSN, some use ICQ, etc. Unfortunately, the only sure-fire way is to >get an account on all of the systems, and use a multi-headed client to >connect to them all. Most of the multi-headed clients support most of >the features of the native applications. They certainly all support >chatting, most support file transfer. > >Here's the top three that I know of: > >Windows: Trillian. http://www.trillian.cc/ >Linux: Ayttm. http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/ > Gaim. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > >-Rob Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:46 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tailwheel clips --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > >I had my first landing without one of the tailwheel springs attached. > >Somehow the clip got twisted up and pulled open on take off. It was a non >event as I didn't even notice it until after the three point landing had >slowed some. By then I just used a little brake going that way, and and >used >both brakes to slow it down faster than I would normally to a reasonable >taxi speed. > >It was kinda like driving an RV 6&1/2A > Wheelie, Trasheth thee those clips and go thee post haste to yonder Lowes or Home Depot. Purchase thee from ye olde hardware aisle some chain link "missing links", that have a threaded coupling nut. Apply these deftly to thy dangly tailwheel chains and fly thee into the wild blue yonder with giddy abandon, to return to earth knowing full well no longer will ye fear the most dreaded ground loop dragon. Yikes...too much coffee today. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:59 AM PST US From: "Neil McLeod" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil McLeod" I talked to WW and unfortunately they don't have any plans at this time to offer a counterweighted version. Darn. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Fear not, the 200RV is a 72" diameter and will work on any RV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil McLeod" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing > --> RV-List message posted by: Neil McLeod > > Thanks Randy, > > What I was hoping for was somthing with a little less diameter for us side > by side guys. > Looking forward to your flight report! > > Neil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Lervold" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > The 200RV is a new 2-blade model designed specifically for RVs. It uses a > > McCauley 215 hub instead of the 220 hub of the 200C. This hub is smaller > and > > lighter and better suited for the RV. It then has a brand new airfoil that > > Jim Rust came up with after consulting with a couple of industry gurus. > > > > I'll post pics of it probably tomorrow. I flew it today but didn't do any > > testing. > > > > Randy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neil McLeod" > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Neil McLeod > > > > > > Randy, > > > > > > How about tossing us a bone here, just what is the 200 RV? > > > > > > Neil McLeod > > > still searching for the perfect aerobatic prop for my 7 > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Randy Lervold" > > > To: ; ; > > > > > > Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > I will be testing the new Whirl Wind 200RV. I just received it today, > > > installed it tonight, and weighed it before installation: 41 lbs for the > > > complete assembly including all fasteners compared to 59 for the > Hartzell. > > > I'll balance it and fly it tomorrow, testing could be as soon as next > > > weekend. Information as it develops will be added to the Prop page on my > > web > > > site found at... > > > > www.rv-8.com/Prop.htm > > > > > > > > Randy Lervold > > > > www.rv-8.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Scott Clarkson > > > > To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:29 PM > > > > Subject: [rv8list] props and spinner spacing > > > > > > > > > > > > I've spent the last month trying to figure out what prop to order > and > > I > > > still haven't made up my mind. I think I ruled out the Hartzell models > > for > > > weight and vibration issues. I spoke with Whirlwind (really nice > people) > > > but can't order their 3 blade because I'm running Lasar ignition. I'm > > > intrigued by the 2 blade RV model coming out but it won't be till the > > > beginning of the year at best. I'm leaning toward the MT 3 blade for > > > smoothness and weight savings. > > > > > > > > In the archives I've gathered that the spinner/cowling spacing > should > > > remain the same (or close) regardless of what prop I decide to go with. > I > > > would like to install my cowling using the prop simulator spacers and > > Van's > > > spinner back plate but the archives warn that Van's recommended 2.250" > PVC > > > prop spacers between the ring gear and spinner back plate are too long. > > > They should be more like 2.125". Could someone verify the spacer length > > so > > > I don't toast my cowling and maybe lend some advice about using this > > method? > > > I just want be accurate and keep the project rolling along. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Scott Clarkson > > > > Propellerless in NJ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > Information exchange for builders of Vans Aircraft RV-8 kits. > > > > > > > > IF YOU WISH TO UNSUBSCRIBE, PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL TO : > > > > > > > > rv8list-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:35 AM PST US From: Chris W Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W Larry Bowen wrote: > I'm not sure what you feel Trillian is lacking, except the all the ads and > annoyances. It's always done everything I've needed as far as basic IM > goes. I recommend it. Free too. > > http://trillian.cc I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is to send instant messages from one person to another uses more memory than most other applications, it's time to start trimming it back. But it's no worse than all the others, at least with it I can just run one 15 meg application instead of 3. I run solid modeling software sometimes and it needs all the memory it can get, the last thing I need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each when they could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember using computers with 640K of memory. do not archive -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:59 AM PST US From: Gkb5577@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Tip-Up vs. Slider --> RV-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com Could some kind folk out there give me their comments re. going with a tip-up vs. slider canopy? About to buy Fusel. Geoff ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:27 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Fires --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North I'm not sure why, but I stopped receiving the digest on Saturday. Update on SD fires, I can barely breathe. I got to watch 100+ ft wall of fire jump one of the widest sections of freeway in So Cal, I-15 at MCAS Miramar. So far I have only heard of one friend who lost a home, but I'm certain there will be more. I am way not impressed with the way CDF has not responded to this by actively witholding resources to battle this. Contrary to many assessments, I've watched it progress first hand and given the resources that are finally showing up we could have saved many areas of the communities that burned if those resources had arrived on Sunday. I have also watched many homes burn that could have been saved if their owners had been allowed to stay and put out the smaller spot fires, that eventually engaged the structures. My question is, if its so unsafe to be there unless you are a trained individual, why are the press there? I can assure you that they are not trained, and in fact they have misreported so much that I am no longer paying attention to their rampant incompetence. Unforetuneately my airport is the epicenter of the fire ring so it's TFRed until further notice. And finally, this is not the first time they've screwed the pooch in with respect to wild fires. Several years ago the one that almost got my house was allowed to run free for the first two hours because the various agents didn't have common communication freqeuncies, so nobody responded to it in a timely manner. That one consumed 125 homes and 1 life. So, could someone please tell me again, why am I paying taxes??? do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:13 AM PST US From: "Joshua Siler" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "Joshua Siler" Mat, IRC is a very stable and well-tested technology that runs well on UNIX systems for chat. It does require client software, however there are several good free downloads available. Regards, Josh Siler -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Hey Listers, Regarding List Chat, I've had a request from another List at Matronics for chat and have commented to finding and hosting a solution here on the Matronics servers that will work well for everyone. Let me look into this technology a little bit and see what's out there and what works well. Rob listed some suggestions below and I can start there. I have server-class Linux systems here and a full, commercial T1 line so infrastructure to support a full chat system should be well covered. Would a web-based client system be the most desirable? No special software to download, etc.? I would appreciate any advice experts in the field might have. Matt Dralle Email List Admin At 08:34 AM 10/28/2003 Tuesday, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > >Dave Smith wrote: > > I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would > > rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up > > all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, > > but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the > > best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some > > of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to > > run one system. Which one? > >While we're at it, let's all only use one priming system for our RV's. >Which one? Come on, let's all get together and choose the best one. 8-) > >The problem with choosing one system is that some people don't have a >choice which client to use. Some Employers use IM software for >inter-office connectivity, and it works quite well for that. But some >use MSN, some use ICQ, etc. Unfortunately, the only sure-fire way is to >get an account on all of the systems, and use a multi-headed client to >connect to them all. Most of the multi-headed clients support most of >the features of the native applications. They certainly all support >chatting, most support file transfer. > >Here's the top three that I know of: > >Windows: Trillian. http://www.trillian.cc/ >Linux: Ayttm. http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/ > Gaim. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > >-Rob Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:28 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: UPDATE - Integrated LED Position Lights & Landing Lights vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Hi all... I just wanted to let you all know that I am now taking orders for my new Integrated LED Position Lights & Landing Lights, and should be shipping the first kits by the end of November... These lights were developed in cooperation with Bill Dube - http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm, Thanks Bill! More information on my web site: www.creativair.com -Bill VonDane www.creativair.com www.vondane.com www.epanelbuilder.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Tailwheel clips From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I notice an RV-8 this past weekend that had no springs or chains back there. Nothin. Just like Dick Martin. Should these be considered optional equipment? Personally, I'll be using the Jantzi steerling link... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Wheeler North said: > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > I had my first landing without one of the tailwheel springs attached. > > Somehow the clip got twisted up and pulled open on take off. It was a non > event as I didn't even notice it until after the three point landing had > slowed some. By then I just used a little brake going that way, and and > used > both brakes to slow it down faster than I would normally to a reasonable > taxi speed. > > It was kinda like driving an RV 6&1/2A > > ;{) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:53 AM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Chris W wrote: > I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is to send > instant messages from one person to another uses more memory than most other > applications, it's time to start trimming it back. But it's no worse than all > the others, at least with it I can just run one 15 meg application instead of > 3. I run solid modeling software sometimes and it needs all the memory it can > get, the last thing I need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each > when they could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long > ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember using > computers with 640K of memory. Harumph. My first computer had 8K. -Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging point...) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:29 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" New doohickey for Trillian users: http://www.rvproject.com/im/trillian.jsp It exports the whole list, which you can paste into your contacts file in one fell swoop. Ok, sorry to get off topic again...done for now. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:48 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" My advice is (a) don't reinvent the wheel, and (b) don't waste server resources on something that a big player like Yahoo is already doing for free. 8-) For example, all of the Yahoo Groups have chat built right into the group already, and some people already use it. For example: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV7and7A/chat do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network > --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > Hey Listers, > > Regarding List Chat, I've had a request from another List at Matronics for > chat and have commented to finding and hosting a solution here on the > Matronics servers that will work well for everyone. Let me look into this > technology a little bit and see what's out there and what works well. Rob > listed some suggestions below and I can start there. > > I have server-class Linux systems here and a full, commercial T1 line so > infrastructure to support a full chat system should be well covered. Would > a web-based client system be the most desirable? No special software to > download, etc.? > > I would appreciate any advice experts in the field might have. > > Matt Dralle > Email List Admin > > > At 08:34 AM 10/28/2003 Tuesday, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > > > >Dave Smith wrote: > > > I guess the question I'd have to ask, is whether we as builders would > > > rather use one IM network over another. The hobby that used to take up > > > all my time was online gaming. Gamers use ICQ pretty much exclusively, > > > but not that many other folks do. So which IM network would be the > > > best? Trillian is nice, but has drawbacks in that it can't handle some > > > of the nice features of the individual networks. Sooo, I'd only want to > > > run one system. Which one? > > > >While we're at it, let's all only use one priming system for our RV's. > >Which one? Come on, let's all get together and choose the best one. 8-) > > > >The problem with choosing one system is that some people don't have a > >choice which client to use. Some Employers use IM software for > >inter-office connectivity, and it works quite well for that. But some > >use MSN, some use ICQ, etc. Unfortunately, the only sure-fire way is to > >get an account on all of the systems, and use a multi-headed client to > >connect to them all. Most of the multi-headed clients support most of > >the features of the native applications. They certainly all support > >chatting, most support file transfer. > > > >Here's the top three that I know of: > > > >Windows: Trillian. http://www.trillian.cc/ > >Linux: Ayttm. http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/ > > Gaim. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > > > >-Rob > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:35 PM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fires FROM_HAS_UNDERLINE_NUMS --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" >So, could someone please tell me again, why am I paying taxes??? > >do not archive Because you're a "rich" airplane owner. For those not sure, the above was sarcastic. Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:42 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > Would a web-based client system be the most desirable? No special software > to download, etc.? Matt: Take this with a grain of salt as I'm not an IM user. Ideally, anything of this nature should be non-proprietary, which in this case most likely means web-based. If it's web-based everyone is included, and people like me who use three or four different operating systems on a regular basis have access from each of their machines. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:26 PM PST US From: PittsS1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: RV-List: Fires --> RV-List message posted by: PittsS1@aol.com From: Fyrflyr@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fires -------------------------------1067374067 Cap'n Mike Tell this guy if he thinks he can do ANYTHING better were open to suggestions. The Cedar fire is a BBBIIIIGGGGG fire. 22000+ acres, goes from Julian on the East through Ramona,Poway,Lakeside,Santee,Scripps Ranch and Miramar. That's just the North side. The South side goes through Alpine,ElCajon and parts south. There's six other fires going that are over 10000 acres at the same time. And when they all start close together, resources are stretched pretty thin. We had ten S2's working here making turn a rounds of as little as seven min. Billy Hoskins made 28 trips is three hours, I made 15 trips in two hours, so the air resources were doing all we could were we could. As you know we only go where the big wheels tell us to go. I think if you responded to this guy it would sound better as I don't think I'd be very polite or politicly correct. Later Semper Fi Bob -------------------------------1067374067 Cap'n Mike Tell this guy if he thinks he can do ANYTHING better were open to suggestions. The Cedar fire is a BBBIIIIGGGGG fire. 22000+ acres, goes from Julian on the East through Ramona,Poway,Lakeside,Santee,Scripps Ranch and Miramar. That's just the North side. The South side goes through Alpine,ElCajon and parts south. There's six other fires going that are over 10000 acres at the same time. And when they all start close together, resources are stretched pretty thin. We had ten S2's working here making turn a rounds of as little as seven min. Billy Hoskins made 28 trips is three hours, I made 15 trips in two hours, so the air resources were doing all we could were we could.=20As you know we only go where the big wheels tell us to go. I think if you responded to this guy it would sound better as I don't think I'd be very polite or politicly correct. Later Semper Fi Bob -------------------------------1067374067-- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:53 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Fires --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I am so disgusted with state government I cant see straight. Big government obviously is not work. Fire fighting C-130's sitting at Point Magu ready to go, just a few hours away. They have been trying to get Davis to make a call to use them as of THURSDAY and it has not happened, he claims its not his call. This state government inaction has cost lives. At this point screw the process and just cut loose the equipment. There is a time and a place toss the "rule book" aside and this is it! At 11:25 AM 10/28/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > >I'm not sure why, but I stopped receiving the digest on Saturday. > >Update on SD fires, I can barely breathe. I got to watch 100+ ft wall of >fire jump one of the widest sections of freeway in So Cal, I-15 at MCAS >Miramar. So far I have only heard of one friend who lost a home, but I'm >certain there will be more. > >I am way not impressed with the way CDF has not responded to this by >actively witholding resources to battle this. Contrary to many assessments, >I've watched it progress first hand and given the resources that are finally >showing up we could have saved many areas of the communities that burned if >those resources had arrived on Sunday. > >I have also watched many homes burn that could have been saved if their >owners had been allowed to stay and put out the smaller spot fires, that >eventually engaged the structures. My question is, if its so unsafe to be >there unless you are a trained individual, why are the press there? I can >assure you that they are not trained, and in fact they have misreported so >much that I am no longer paying attention to their rampant incompetence. > >Unforetuneately my airport is the epicenter of the fire ring so it's TFRed >until further notice. > >And finally, this is not the first time they've screwed the pooch in with >respect to wild fires. Several years ago the one that almost got my house >was allowed to run free for the first two hours because the various agents >didn't have common communication freqeuncies, so nobody responded to it in a >timely manner. That one consumed 125 homes and 1 life. > >So, could someone please tell me again, why am I paying taxes??? > >do not archive > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:53 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > My advice is (a) don't reinvent the wheel, What do you think Yahoo, et al, did? Chat's been around for decades in one form or another. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:36 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: EGT/CHT probes From: smoothweasel@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com First I would like to thank everyone on this list for your support , has been great!!! I do not have Internet service here. Only email so bear with me when I ask questions that are in the archives. Maybe when I get my plane flying I will have enough cash to get it. I will be purchasing a EGT/CHT combination gauge and I don't feel that I can afford 8 probes for all the cylinders so I was wondering if anyone has any experience on which cylinder runs the hottest on CHT and if that is the same one that is hottest on EGT? Thanx Joel Graber -4 finishing Brooksville MS ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:59 PM PST US From: Wheeler North rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Fires --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Guys, the problem isn't you guys on the line, its that you weren't being allowed to get to this line. I personally watched a number of houses go up that could have been saved had there been a few folks there to control the small spot fires that eventually engaged the structure. Nobody showed up. When the fire was in my neighborhood 7 years ago, (Elfin Forest/Carlsbad) nobody showed up. Not one fire truck, not one police officer, no dog catchers, no nothing. The houses that were saved in my neighborhood were saved by those of us who stayed and put out embers and such as they landed. We didn't have any fancy equipment other than shovels and dirt, but we saved some homes. I can tell you a whole lot more about the screwups in that fire that were never published, but suffice to say, the Cedar Fire is an exact repeat of that day only it's shifted southeast by 20nm, so it isn't like we didn't know better. You apparently don't know San Diego that well, either, or you would know that we have a huge capacity of military personnel here with fire fighting equipment, but some asinine policy doesn't allow for them to be utilized until they have spent several days making sure no other private fire fighters aren't being slighted. Well, to use your phrase, the "Big Wheels" are full of crap, and in the last few days they have fully demonstrated their incompetence. Although I may know this county better than most given that I have camped in and flown into and around every canyon in the county, it didn't take a genius to see this coming when the fire started Saturday evening. Had local military capacities been applied right then, this could have been a very different picture, particularly in the Scripps Ranch area. And I do think I can do something better which is why I am speaking out. For one we should be training and certifying our citizens who live in these areas to be able to help put these fires out. The only reason you are capable of it is because you have been trained to do this and you practice. Our citizens should also be trained how to maintain appropriate fire barriers and how to use personal fire fighting equipment, like shovels and protective clothing. They should then be allowed to operate with this training and equipment, under the command of professional fire fighters. This is how many small towns operate their fire fighting capacities across the country. But our leadership, mostly democrats, continue to act as if the citizenry are not capable of being trained like you have been because of their high and mighty attitudes. Not only has this socialist attitude set us up for this disaster, it will continue to do so unless we get angry and do something about it. Screw being politically correct, 13 lives and hundreds of homes are gone because of political and bureaucratic correctness. And finally, I wish to thank you for your efforts. Your job is to put out the fire and you are doing your dammdest to succeed. My job, according to Ben Franklin, is to hold the government accountable when they screw up. This is the second time in seven years that our leadership has royally blown it. As somone whose life is on the line out there, I should think you would also be outraged by this continued incompetence. W do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:26 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" "Rocket List" , "RV List" Subject: RV-List: HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Everybody, Over the last couple of days, there has been a thread on the SoCal RV-List about the old question Fixed or Constant Speed Prop. Of course, the answers depend on the viewpoint of the answerer. Anyway, one guy wrote that the aircraft with bigger engines and more horsepower are "Chick Magnets." I think I have some proof. The other day I got an Email from a young lady who had built a RV-4. She wanted to see what all the talk was about. So, she flew her RV up to Apple Valley. I knew things were going to be good when I watched her come into the pattern. She needed to maneuver to avoid some traffic and I watched her plane quickly roll into a 60-80 degree bank and smartly turn to downwind. Looks like she knows how to fly her plane, i.e., no sissy 30 degree bank turns. We jumped into the Rocket and did some light acro and just got the feel for the plane. I think she liked the ride and the rocket. She must have read my web page too, as she asked for low and fast. I think she like that too. Back into the pattern, I got very lucky. I am showing off so I wanted the landing to be good. As luck would have it, I did one of those landings where you know you are down when you hear the wheels start rolling. I saved my bouncers for when people aren't watching. So mark up another great day at the airport. Days like this are not deduced from your life span. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:52 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" "Rv8-List" , "Rv9-List" , "Rv-List" Subject: RV-List: Dynon Install Kit --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi All, Just a quick note to let you all know that I "FINALLY" got all the components together for the Dynon EFIS install kit's I promised awhile ago. They include connectors, crimper, pins, etc.. Price is $55.00 http://www.steinair.com More "Stuff", less money! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:24 PM PST US From: "MARSHALL,STEPHANIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" "'oregon-rvlist@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RV-List: Tools --> RV-List message posted by: "MARSHALL,STEPHANIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Hello all, My husband and I were going to start an RV-8 in January, the Avery Tool kit was going to be our Christmas present to each other. Well, slight change in plans I got in a car accident yesterday and now our tool money is going to be repair the car money. We are both still in college and short on cash to begin with, does anyone have tools they might be willing to sell? Thanks, Stephanie Marshall Oregon State University 541-715-3976 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:30 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tip-Up vs. Slider --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" I have the Tip-up on my -6A and I'm VERY happy with it. I can imagine that the slider would be nice to have on those hot days in areas where the climate demands it, but up here in Canada I don't need it. On hot days after landing, I open it up to the open-latch position on the roll-bar (which is BEHIND the pilot so no vision obstruction) which gives plenty of extra ventilation. Another advantage is that good access is available to the rear of the panel so it is an easy matter to make connections of wiring originating from the FWF area. For example the mag "P" leads can be easily connected to the ignition switch (which is located on the left side of the panel) simply by opening the canopy. I have 2 ''Jones" terminal strips, 10 terminals each, mounted on the canopy deck extension on each side where most of my wiring to the panel is connected. they are accessible simply by opening the canopy. There has been much written about the difficulty of sealing the skirts of the slider. These problems do not occur on the tip-up. Finally the Viz out of the tip-up is GREAT!! Cheers!!----Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:15 PM PST US From: "Fred Stucklen" Subject: RV-List: Electric flap motor failures HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY --> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Stucklen" John, Please describe your field flap motor repair kit.. I now have to eat my previous words on the RV-list as, in the new plane, I had a flap motor failure. i haven't removed it yet to find the problem, but know tht there is voltage getting to it.... I'll probably order a new one from Vans's tomorrow so that I have a spare one around.... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 75 hrs.... Match: #29 Message: #110431 From: John Allen Subject: Electric flap motor failures My electric flap motor also quits every 30 hours or so. I've gotten to the point where I keep a special kit in the airplane just for that problem. I can open and clean that motor armature in about 30 minutes in the field, without removing the assembly from the airplane. I have never had them stick in the down position, but I have had to make a couple of no-flap landings. Fortunately the RV slips well and is not hard to land without flaps. It seems that the interval between failures has increased over time. John Allen RV6A ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:12 PM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Electric flap motor failures --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com The flap motor in my RV6 failed at 8 hours and again at 30 hours. I could hear the flap relay click but the motor would not move. Both times an oily substance on the brush/armature area caused it to work intermittently but I never saw an excess of grease in the motor. The second time I also found a brush broken so I'm waiting for a replacement from Van's. BTW make sure the lock nut on the rod end is tight, if it looseness up the arm will unscrew itself from the rod end. Ask me how I know. I agree on the necessary tools, I'll be sure to carry what I need on board to deal with this if it happens again. Larry Gagnon RV6 O360 N6LG ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:49 PM PST US From: "Ernest Kells" Subject: Re: RV-List: EGT/CHT probes --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" > I will be purchasing a EGT/CHT combination gauge .......so I was wondering if anyone has any experience on which cylinder runs the hottest on CHT and if that is the same one that is hottest on EGT? Thanx Joel Graber Joel: I purchased my gauges and probes from Vans. Based upon their documentation - and a call to Gus Funnell at Vans I installed the CHT probe on #4 cylinder and the EGT probe on #4 exhaust. I researched a lot. Not flying yet. Being an pioneer (O-235) I asked a lot of respected people about this. I installed my oil cooler behind #4 but my SCAT behind #3. Make a diff ? ? ? Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop 90 plus % Complete - Electrical ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:17 PM PST US From: "Jim Ellsworth" Subject: RV-List: E-721 Trim tab hinge SMTPD_IN_RCVD --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Ellsworth" Drilling the E-721 hinge to the trim tab skin E-619 and E-607 tab spar the Emp drawing #4 gives a 1/4" dimension. Is that dimension from the center of the hinge or the squared notches in the hinge. It looks like it will be from the squared notches to maintain edge distance to the notch. Even with the 1/4" from the notches it will be close to the rear edge of the hinge. Thanks Jim E RV-7A ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:18 PM PST US From: "Gabe A Ferrer" Subject: RV-List: Hottest CHT --> RV-List message posted by: "Gabe A Ferrer" On my O360 the #3 cylinder is the hottest. Cylinder EGT varies depending on how much I lean the engine. Hottest cylinder EGT varies from flight to flight and during any given flight. I haven't figured out why. Gabe A Ferrer RV6 N2GX 83 hours South Florida Email: ferrergm@bellsouth.net Cell: 561 758 8894 Night Phone: 561 622 0960 Fax: 561 622 0960 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:31 PM PST US From: "Gabe A Ferrer" Subject: RV-List: Tail Wheel Clip Wire Ends --> RV-List message posted by: "Gabe A Ferrer" I had one spring on my tail wheel almost come loose. The end of the wire clip was catching. I filed the ends of the clip wire at an angle. This, after about 12 hours, has prevented the end of the clip wire from catching. Gabe A Ferrer RV6 N2GX 83 hours South Florida Email: ferrergm@bellsouth.net Cell: 561 758 8894 Night Phone: 561 622 0960 Fax: 561 622 0960 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:21 PM PST US From: "Lyle Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" Double Harumph. My first computer had 4k. Still have it and is is keeping up with the Internet just fine! LOL Anyone want an early Radio Shack computer, Model I, II IV or 16. Your choice. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Chris W wrote: > I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is > to send instant messages from one person to another uses more memory > than most other applications, it's time to start trimming it back. > But it's no worse than all the others, at least with it I can just run > one 15 meg application instead of 3. I run solid modeling software > sometimes and it needs all the memory it can get, the last thing I > need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each when they > could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long > ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember > using computers with 640K of memory. Harumph. My first computer had 8K. -Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging point...) Do Not Archive == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:07 PM PST US From: Ken Balch Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch My first computer was a Radio Shack Model I. 4K and a cassette drive. I mowed lawns for a summer to buy it. Kind of dating myself here... :-) Ken Balch RV-8 N118KB Lyle Peterson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > >Double Harumph. My first computer had 4k. Still have it and is is >keeping up with the Internet just fine! LOL Anyone want an early Radio >Shack computer, Model I, II IV or 16. Your choice. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > >Chris W wrote: > > >>I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is >> >> > > > >>to send instant messages from one person to another uses more memory >>than most other applications, it's time to start trimming it back. >>But it's no worse than all the others, at least with it I can just run >> >> > > > >>one 15 meg application instead of 3. I run solid modeling software >>sometimes and it needs all the memory it can get, the last thing I >>need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each when they >>could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long >>ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember >>using computers with 640K of memory. >> >> > >Harumph. My first computer had 8K. > >-Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging >point...) > >Do Not Archive > > >== >direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. >== >== >== > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:06 PM PST US From: Dave Smith Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith IBM PC-1. 16k on the motherboard, SSSD floppies... Rob Prior wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > >Chris W wrote: > > >>I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is to send >>instant messages from one person to another uses more memory than most other >>applications, it's time to start trimming it back. But it's no worse than all >>the others, at least with it I can just run one 15 meg application instead of >>3. I run solid modeling software sometimes and it needs all the memory it can >>get, the last thing I need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each >>when they could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long >>ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember using >>computers with 640K of memory. >> >> > >Harumph. My first computer had 8K. > >-Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging >point...) > >Do Not Archive > > > > -- --------------------------------------------- Dave http://www.rv10project.net ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:28 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gummo" > > The other day I got an Email from a young lady who had built a > RV-4. I hate Rocket pilots!!!! Doug nowIreallywannarocket Rozendaal do not archive ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:50 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Humor - Builders Delete now. :-) My first computer was made of wood and was straight. It had no memory. If fact, it couldn't even add only multiply and divide. You had to do some of the math in your head. A knowledge of logarithms really helped too. If you had one, everybody at college knew you were not a liberal arts major, i.e., but a nerd. Pocket protector was optional. But it made doing problems in chemistry possible. My second was made of metal and was round. Most everybody on this list over thirty has used one, the whiz wheel. Or E6B Flight Calculator. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Balch" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points > --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch > > My first computer was a Radio Shack Model I. 4K and a cassette drive. > I mowed lawns for a summer to buy it. Kind of dating myself here... :-) > > Ken Balch > RV-8 N118KB > > Lyle Peterson wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > > > >Double Harumph. My first computer had 4k. Still have it and is is > >keeping up with the Internet just fine! LOL Anyone want an early Radio > >Shack computer, Model I, II IV or 16. Your choice. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > > > >Chris W wrote: > > > > > >>I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>to send instant messages from one person to another uses more memory > >>than most other applications, it's time to start trimming it back. > >>But it's no worse than all the others, at least with it I can just run > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>one 15 meg application instead of 3. I run solid modeling software > >>sometimes and it needs all the memory it can get, the last thing I > >>need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each when they > >>could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long > >>ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember > >>using computers with 640K of memory. > >> > >> > > > >Harumph. My first computer had 8K. > > > >-Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging > >point...) > > > >Do Not Archive > > > > > >== > >direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > >== > >== > >== > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:18 PM PST US From: "DANIEL W WATTERS" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network --> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" Bally Arcade with Bally Basic Cartridge. Dan Watters Tucson, AZ 90736 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:45 PM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" Bah! My first computer wasn't mine - it was a sigma 9 belonging to a university. The first home computer I had was a Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, 4k and no storage whatsoever, plus the 4k was half used by the built-in BASIC. It still runs but nobody cares . Why is it we can't bring ourselves to toss these old systems? Patrick Kelley -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Balch Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch My first computer was a Radio Shack Model I. 4K and a cassette drive. I mowed lawns for a summer to buy it. Kind of dating myself here... :-) Ken Balch RV-8 N118KB Lyle Peterson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > >Double Harumph. My first computer had 4k. Still have it and is is >keeping up with the Internet just fine! LOL Anyone want an early Radio >Shack computer, Model I, II IV or 16. Your choice. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > >Chris W wrote: > > >>I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is >> >> > > > >>to send instant messages from one person to another uses more memory >>than most other applications, it's time to start trimming it back. >>But it's no worse than all the others, at least with it I can just run >> >> > > > >>one 15 meg application instead of 3. I run solid modeling software >>sometimes and it needs all the memory it can get, the last thing I >>need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each when they >>could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long >>ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember >>using computers with 640K of memory. >> >> > >Harumph. My first computer had 8K. > >-Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging >point...) > >Do Not Archive > > >== >direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. >== >== >== > > > > == == == == ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:32 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" And some of us hate guys who get to fly around in P-51's and B-25's!!!! :) Cheers, Stein (I'lldiewantingaP-51) Bruch, RV6's, Minneapolis Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Rozendaal Subject: Re: RV-List: HUMOR - are bigger engine's Chick Magnets --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gummo" > > The other day I got an Email from a young lady who had built a > RV-4. I hate Rocket pilots!!!! Doug nowIreallywannarocket Rozendaal do not archive ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:41 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Yep...The batteries never go dead on the slide rule! Cheers, Stein Bruch Do Not Archive! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Humor - Builders Delete now. :-) My first computer was made of wood and was straight. It had no memory. If fact, it couldn't even add only multiply and divide. You had to do some of the math in your head. A knowledge of logarithms really helped too. If you had one, everybody at college knew you were not a liberal arts major, i.e., but a nerd. Pocket protector was optional. But it made doing problems in chemistry possible. My second was made of metal and was round. Most everybody on this list over thirty has used one, the whiz wheel. Or E6B Flight Calculator. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Balch" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network and bragging points > --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch > > My first computer was a Radio Shack Model I. 4K and a cassette drive. > I mowed lawns for a summer to buy it. Kind of dating myself here... :-) > > Ken Balch > RV-8 N118KB > > Lyle Peterson wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > > > >Double Harumph. My first computer had 4k. Still have it and is is > >keeping up with the Internet just fine! LOL Anyone want an early Radio > >Shack computer, Model I, II IV or 16. Your choice. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Builder IM Network > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > > > >Chris W wrote: > > > > > >>I think trillian does too much. When a program that's main mission is > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>to send instant messages from one person to another uses more memory > >>than most other applications, it's time to start trimming it back. > >>But it's no worse than all the others, at least with it I can just run > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>one 15 meg application instead of 3. I run solid modeling software > >>sometimes and it needs all the memory it can get, the last thing I > >>need is instant messenger programs using up 15+ meg each when they > >>could easily do their job with less than 1 meg. it wasn't that long > >>ago that I was using a computer with only 16 meg and I still remember > >>using computers with 640K of memory. > >> > >> > > > >Harumph. My first computer had 8K. > > > >-Rob (wondering when "mine is smaller than yours" became a bragging > >point...) > > > >Do Not Archive > > > > > >== > >direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > >== > >== > >== > > > > > > > > > >