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1. 03:52 AM - Re: Fuel vent blockages / mud daubers (Jim Sears)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Fuel vent blockages / mud daubers (linn walters)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (RICKRV6@aol.com)
4. 05:25 AM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Rick Galati)
5. 05:53 AM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Paul Besing)
6. 05:57 AM - Re: IFR, HOmebuilts, and TSO's (John Brick)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Dan Checkoway)
8. 07:35 AM - Autopilot (Jerry Hansen)
9. 08:32 AM - Re: IFR, HOmebuilts, and TSO's (Mike Robertson)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: Battery Location (czechsix@juno.com)
11. 09:12 AM - OT in Response to Boyd Braem, was "This is a Real Story..." (Ken Brooks)
12. 10:27 AM - A SoCAL RendezVous Day! (WMPALM@aol.com)
13. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Boyd Braem)
14. 11:30 AM - Illinois Builders who haven't paid any sales tax yet (Ken Brooks)
15. 01:01 PM - ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation (Jordan Grant)
16. 01:08 PM - Re: Illinois Builders who haven't paid any sales tax yet (Bruce Gray)
17. 02:30 PM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Gary Zilik)
18. 02:50 PM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Chris W)
19. 02:56 PM - Bringing airplane into USA (JDaniel343@aol.com)
20. 03:05 PM - Alternator (JDaniel343@aol.com)
21. 04:18 PM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Elsa & Henry)
22. 04:28 PM - Re: Alternator (Harvey Sigmon)
23. 04:51 PM - Starter/Starter Relay (Louis Willig)
24. 04:53 PM - Re: Another Plane Is Born (Genev E Reed)
25. 05:07 PM - Re: OT in Response to Boyd Braem, was "This is a Real Story..." (Charles Rowbotham)
26. 05:39 PM - Re: Alternator (Doug Rozendaal)
27. 05:43 PM - Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting (Dan Checkoway)
28. 06:02 PM - Re: ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation (Dan Checkoway)
29. 06:31 PM - Re: ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation (N67BT@aol.com)
30. 07:44 PM - Re: Alternator (Ed Perry)
31. 08:39 PM - Salute to our Mil Aviators (OT) (Brian Denk)
32. 08:59 PM - Re: Bringing airplane into USA (Mike Robertson)
33. 10:18 PM - Over the fence at 70 (Rob W M Shipley)
34. 11:55 PM - AnywhereMap airspace warning (Greg Young)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel vent blockages / mud daubers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> > I thought it was standard practice to Proseal screen material across
the bottom > > of the vents.
> >
> I don't know about the RVs (I'm learning!), but it's not common elsewhere.
>
I have to second that one. Here in central KY, I don't know of anyone who
covers his fuel tank vents to prevent mud dobbers from getting in. I didn't
even cover the pitot tubes on my other two airplanes; but, the RV quickly
showed me I needed to cover the pitot on it. I got a dobber in the pitot
two times in a week. I made a cover for it out of an old arrow shaft and
haven't had a problem since. I cut off a section that would slip over the
pitot quite a bit and drilled a hole in one end. I ran a tie wrap through
that and tied a ribbon off of the tie wrap for recognition of its being
there on the pitot. I made the ribbon long enough that I could tie it to
the tie down ring so that the cover wouldn't blow off of the pitot. I've
been using this method for over three years and have yet to have a mud
dobber come back. I did put screens over the inlet flanges of my air ducts.
I also close the carb heat to keep out critters when the airplane is
sitting. Those things seem to keep my RV cleared of home builders. Notice
that all were cheap methods. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel vent blockages / mud daubers |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Jim Sears wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
>
>
>>> I thought it was standard practice to Proseal screen material across
>>>
>>>
>the bottom > > of the vents.
>
>
>>I don't know about the RVs (I'm learning!), but it's not common elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I have to second that one. Here in central KY, I don't know of anyone who
>covers his fuel tank vents to prevent mud dobbers from getting in. I didn't
>even cover the pitot tubes on my other two airplanes; but, the RV quickly
>showed me I needed to cover the pitot on it. I got a dobber in the pitot
>two times in a week. I made a cover for it out of an old arrow shaft and
>haven't had a problem since. I cut off a section that would slip over the
>pitot quite a bit and drilled a hole in one end. I ran a tie wrap through
>that and tied a ribbon off of the tie wrap for recognition of its being
>there on the pitot. I made the ribbon long enough that I could tie it to
>the tie down ring so that the cover wouldn't blow off of the pitot. I've
>been using this method for over three years and have yet to have a mud
>dobber come back. I did put screens over the inlet flanges of my air ducts.
>I also close the carb heat to keep out critters when the airplane is
>sitting. Those things seem to keep my RV cleared of home builders. Notice
>that all were cheap methods. :-)
>
>Jim Sears in KY
>RV-6A N198JS
>EAA Tech Counselor
>
Good points Jim! One needs to keep in mind that our aircraft are really
mobile, and while you might not have a problem locally, you can be tied
down overnight in an area that does have a problem. Mud daubers are
quick. At a recent convention (Grumman) at St. Simons Island, the
dauber did his thing in a couple of hours after a plane arrived. They
passed out pipe cleaners to place in the vents to keep the critters
out. This is a case of 'flyer beware'. For the Grummans, the plastic
filter from a rainbird fits nicely (trimmed) and can be left in the vent.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: RICKRV6@aol.com
Dan,
Aesthetically, would it be acceptable in your view to attach the hinges to
the door with four SS #4 screws? Also, it's a little difficult to tell from the
photos but can you make the hinge pins removable? I've devised a hidden door
hinge on my -8 primarily using a fabricated fiberglass arm. The hinge pin is
removable which alleviates this problem.
Rick McBride
In a message dated 11/8/03 2:06:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
> I'm happy with how my oil door has turned out, with the hinge invisible and
> all. But before I rivet it together, I want to make sure I'm not shooting
> myself in the foot with regard to painting. Here are some photos and
> comments on the issue:
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/oildoor.html
>
> ...the issue being that unlike the "stock" design, the oil door is not
> removable once riveted on (can't be painted separately), and it might be
> tricky to get the inside flange painted.
>
> If I paint everything separately and then assemble it, I'll obviously have
> visible rivet heads, no can do.
>
> Is it as simple as masking off everything but the flange, painting that
> first, letting that dry, then closing the door and painting the whole cowl?
> I'm going to have a paint shop shoot it, so is this something I can expect
> the average shop to accommodate?
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Dan,
From your photo's, it appears the door will be attached to the cowl by a total
of four rivets which tie oil access door into the hinges. Where is it written
in stone that you have to use rivets? To paint the door separately, use can
simply use #4 screws and mini-nuts to fasten the door to the hinge(s) after painting.
Either use screws through the cowl/hinge or the door/hinge attach, your
choice. Paint screw heads as desired.
Rick Galati RV-6A FWF
....the issue being that unlike the "stock" design, the oil door is notremovable
once riveted on (can't be painted separately), and it might betricky to get
the inside flange painted.If I paint everything separately and then assemble it,
I'll obviously havevisible rivet heads, no can do.Is it as simple as masking
off everything but the flange, painting thatfirst, letting that dry, then closing
the door and painting the whole cowl?I'm going to have a paint shop shoot
it, so is this something I can expectthe average shop to accommodate?)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Two options for you Dan. Use countersunk screws instead of rivets to hold
the door on to the hinges (or the hinges on the cowl)? Ok, not completely
invisibile, but if you paint the screw heads, maybe.
Second option. Rivet the hinges to the cowl. Paint the cowl. Rivet the
hinges on the door (after cowl is dry of course). Mask the cowl and paint
the door. Shouldn't be too much trouble. Come to think of it, that's how I
would do it.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: RV-List: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> I'm happy with how my oil door has turned out, with the hinge invisible
and
> all. But before I rivet it together, I want to make sure I'm not shooting
> myself in the foot with regard to painting. Here are some photos and
> comments on the issue:
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/oildoor.html
>
> ...the issue being that unlike the "stock" design, the oil door is not
> removable once riveted on (can't be painted separately), and it might be
> tricky to get the inside flange painted.
>
> If I paint everything separately and then assemble it, I'll obviously have
> visible rivet heads, no can do.
>
> Is it as simple as masking off everything but the flange, painting that
> first, letting that dry, then closing the door and painting the whole
cowl?
> I'm going to have a paint shop shoot it, so is this something I can expect
> the average shop to accommodate?
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | IFR, HOmebuilts, and TSO's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Brick" <jbrick@wolfenet.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
> John,
>
> > Once the
> FAA buys off your plane, everything on it, for that aircraft ONLY, is
> approved. For example, what if you had Hooker Harness seatbelts.
> They are
> not an approved seatbelt. They are definitely better that most of the
> approved belts out there IMHO. But once the DAR signs off the inspection
> and issues the airworthiness certificate the belts become
> "approved" for use
> on that aircraft. The same goes for lights.
Mike,
So, just in case somebody important inquired, how is that documented? Does
that equipment become part of an equipment list with the airworthiness
certificate for that aircraft or what?
John
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Second option. Rivet the hinges to the cowl. Paint the cowl. Rivet the
> hinges on the door (after cowl is dry of course). Mask the cowl and paint
> the door. Shouldn't be too much trouble. Come to think of it, that's how
I
> would do it.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner! I like it.
That'll let me use rivets instead of screws, which is ideal since I want the
whole thing to be completely flush and have no visible fasteners. I figure
if I ever need the door off, I can drill out the rivets and convert to
screws at that point. Perfect!
Thanks everybody for all the great tips!!!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
The new EZ Pilot autopilot has a load of new features. RV friendly, too.
http://www.trioavionics.com
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| Subject: | IFR, HOmebuilts, and TSO's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
That is the interesting part. Unless you, the builder, make an equipment
list( you should for weight and balance reasons) and date it, there will be
no record, nor is there any requirement to.
Mike Robertson
>From: "John Brick" <jbrick@wolfenet.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR, HOmebuilts, and TSO's
>Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 05:56:29 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Brick" <jbrick@wolfenet.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
> >
> > John,
> >
> > > Once the
> > FAA buys off your plane, everything on it, for that aircraft ONLY, is
> > approved. For example, what if you had Hooker Harness seatbelts.
> > They are
> > not an approved seatbelt. They are definitely better that most of the
> > approved belts out there IMHO. But once the DAR signs off the
>inspection
> > and issues the airworthiness certificate the belts become
> > "approved" for use
> > on that aircraft. The same goes for lights.
>
>Mike,
>
>So, just in case somebody important inquired, how is that documented? Does
>that equipment become part of an equipment list with the airworthiness
>certificate for that aircraft or what?
>
>John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Brian summed it all up pretty well in his post but I thought I'd
elaborate on a few things FWIW. One is the difference in weight between
the Sensenich and Hartzell props is a little over 20 lbs total, most of
that in the prop right on the nose (41 lbs for Sensenich vs. 55-57 lbs
for the Hartzell, depending on the model). The rest of the difference is
the governor, gov adaptor/gear, oil line, and gov control cable/bracket.
So there is definitely a greater weight penalty with the Hartzell IMHO
and having most of it right on the nose should make a noticeable
difference in the nose-heavy effect. The really light weight of the
Whirlwind 150 is pretty appealing from this perspective but I was
disappointed that the performance was less than Hartzell, with cost being
quite a bit more. So I'm putting the Hartzell on mine.
For the same reasons Brian mentioned I'm putting an Odyssey battery on
the firewall (easier wiring, accessibility, and overall lighter due to
not having the big long 2 AWG wiring back to the aft-battery position).
I have the 180 hp O-360....if I had the much heavier angle valve 200 hp
IO-360, I would definitely put the battery in the back. To help with the
nose-heavy tendency when solo I made a 10 lb ballast weight that goes in
the tail just under the elevator control arms. I goes up through a hole
in the bottom of the fuselage with an over-center twisting motion just
like a camlock and then has a spring loaded tab that locks it in place so
it can't move. I can remove and install it in about 5 seconds. When
installed it's equivalent to about 20-25 lbs ballast in the aft baggage
compartment, or another way to look at it is it will offset the extra 20
lbs the Hartzell is adding the the nose. When I want to carry a
passenger and/or go XC with baggage, I just take it out (and it's MUCH
easier than lugging out sandbags or lead for the aft baggage
compartment). It was--like all custom mods--a lot of work to design and
fabricate but I'm very pleased with the results and think it will be very
nice when I'm flying....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing...
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Location
>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 05:28:34 -0000
>
>I am probably going to put an O-360 in my plane. I am leaning
>toward a fixed pitch prop, but may end up putting on a constant
>speed prop.
If you go with a Sensenich metal prop, the overall weight on the nose
isn't
much different than a Hartzell, so you can apply your battery mounting
strategy to either. A wooden prop is an entirely different story.
>
<<snip lots of good info>>
>
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | OT in Response to Boyd Braem, was "This is a Real Story..." |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Boyd and fellow rv-builders and wannabes,
I feel your pain, bro. My dad was an "aging" Major in the A.F. who was
sent to Nam to fly Hueys in the Green Hornets (recon team insertion and
extraction) from April 67 to May 68. This was his 3rd conflict, starting
with P-51s in WWII (war ended before he saw combat), FAC in Korea (T-6),
and then Viet Nam. The reception he got from ungrateful citizens of his own
country upon his miraculous return from RVN was such that he stifled every
thought and comment about his VN experience, until one day about 5 years ago
when his grandson's teacher found out about his military experience and
asked him to come speak to his class of 5th graders. As he plied off the
layers of protection in order to relate his experience, he stopped in
mid-sentence and in one moment in time, remembered exactly how he had felt
three decades earlier. While he was trying to regain his composure, the
empathetic teacher went over to him and said, Mr. Brooks, I want to thank
you for serving your country and protecting our freedom." It was the first
time he had ever heard anything remotely resembling gratitude from anyone.
I'm not sure how long it took him to regain his composure, but when Dad told
me about the talk in Brian's class months later, the same emotions
resurfaced and he couldn't continue.
So, to all of you that ever put yourselves in harms way when your country
called you to duty, Thank You! You are all my heroes. Dad will celebrate
his 80th birthday next month and I have him to thank for pounding all these
rivets. Sure hope I can get it done in time to go flying with him.
do not archive
Ken Brooks
RV-8QB in progress
N1903P reserved
How fortunate for governments that the people do not think -- Adolf Hitler
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| Subject: | A SoCAL RendezVous Day! |
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--> RV-List message posted by: WMPALM@aol.com
Well, as the song goes, "It's a beautiful morning . . . time to go outside
for a ride . . . !!!
THE WEATHER IS GOING TO BE GREAT TODAY - - ALL DAY!
SEE YOU AT CABLE!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
That's what they did with the Swift--they put a 15 lb lead bar in the
tail.
Boyd.
do not archive
On Saturday, November 8, 2003, at 11:58 AM, czechsix@juno.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Brian summed it all up pretty well in his post but I thought I'd
> elaborate on a few things FWIW. One is the difference in weight
> between
> the Sensenich and Hartzell props is a little over 20 lbs total, most of
> that in the prop right on the nose (41 lbs for Sensenich vs. 55-57 lbs
> for the Hartzell, depending on the model). The rest of the difference
> is
> the governor, gov adaptor/gear, oil line, and gov control
> cable/bracket.
> So there is definitely a greater weight penalty with the Hartzell IMHO
> and having most of it right on the nose should make a noticeable
> difference in the nose-heavy effect. The really light weight of the
> Whirlwind 150 is pretty appealing from this perspective but I was
> disappointed that the performance was less than Hartzell, with cost
> being
> quite a bit more. So I'm putting the Hartzell on mine.
>
> For the same reasons Brian mentioned I'm putting an Odyssey battery on
> the firewall (easier wiring, accessibility, and overall lighter due to
> not having the big long 2 AWG wiring back to the aft-battery position).
> I have the 180 hp O-360....if I had the much heavier angle valve 200 hp
> IO-360, I would definitely put the battery in the back. To help with
> the
> nose-heavy tendency when solo I made a 10 lb ballast weight that goes
> in
> the tail just under the elevator control arms. I goes up through a
> hole
> in the bottom of the fuselage with an over-center twisting motion just
> like a camlock and then has a spring loaded tab that locks it in place
> so
> it can't move. I can remove and install it in about 5 seconds. When
> installed it's equivalent to about 20-25 lbs ballast in the aft baggage
> compartment, or another way to look at it is it will offset the extra
> 20
> lbs the Hartzell is adding the the nose. When I want to carry a
> passenger and/or go XC with baggage, I just take it out (and it's MUCH
> easier than lugging out sandbags or lead for the aft baggage
> compartment). It was--like all custom mods--a lot of work to design
> and
> fabricate but I'm very pleased with the results and think it will be
> very
> nice when I'm flying....
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing...
>
> From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Battery Location
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 05:28:34 -0000
>>
>> I am probably going to put an O-360 in my plane. I am leaning
>> toward a fixed pitch prop, but may end up putting on a constant
>> speed prop.
>
> If you go with a Sensenich metal prop, the overall weight on the nose
> isn't
> much different than a Hartzell, so you can apply your battery mounting
> strategy to either. A wooden prop is an entirely different story.
>>
> <<snip lots of good info>>
>>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
>
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| Subject: | Illinois Builders who haven't paid any sales tax yet |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
If you care about "being in compliance" with Illinois tax law and you have
yet to send the fine bureaucrats in Springfield any of your hard-earned
RV-bucks, you have 9 more days to pay your sales tax on your airplane
components (finished and flying or otherwise) without being liable for
penalties and interest on said unpaid taxes.
Illinois is offering a sales tax penalties and interest "amnesty" period
which expires November 17th. I was made aware of IL state law while talking
with multiple RV-8 builder Dave Wilson at Oshkosh last August and he was
kind enough to encourage me to look into it ASAP. As luck would have it,
the timing for the amnesty period was fortuitous. It hurt to write the
check, but at least they won't come looking for me when I get the RV-8
signed off next year. After November 17th, penalties and interest will be
DOUBLED!! You can read about this on the IL Dept of Revenue website at
http://www.revenue.state.il.us/
Every state's laws differ, so your mileage may vary if you are fortunate
enough NOT to live in Illinois.
Ken Brooks
RV-8QB in progress
N1903P reserved
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| Subject: | ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Listers:
I just got my ACS2002 engine monitor and I am contemplating where I can
mount the Analog Module in the airplane. Is there anyone out there with the
ACS2002 installed in an RV-6 Slider? I would like to know where you mounted
the module and how its been working for you.
Thanks,
Jordan Grant
RV-6 - working on the panel
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| Subject: | Illinois Builders who haven't paid any sales tax yet |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Wait until you get your property tax bill. And you have to pay that
every year.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Brooks
Subject: RV-List: Illinois Builders who haven't paid any sales tax yet
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
If you care about "being in compliance" with Illinois tax law and you
have
yet to send the fine bureaucrats in Springfield any of your hard-earned
RV-bucks, you have 9 more days to pay your sales tax on your airplane
components (finished and flying or otherwise) without being liable for
penalties and interest on said unpaid taxes.
Illinois is offering a sales tax penalties and interest "amnesty" period
which expires November 17th. I was made aware of IL state law while
talking
with multiple RV-8 builder Dave Wilson at Oshkosh last August and he was
kind enough to encourage me to look into it ASAP. As luck would have
it,
the timing for the amnesty period was fortuitous. It hurt to write the
check, but at least they won't come looking for me when I get the RV-8
signed off next year. After November 17th, penalties and interest will
be
DOUBLED!! You can read about this on the IL Dept of Revenue website at
http://www.revenue.state.il.us/
Every state's laws differ, so your mileage may vary if you are fortunate
enough NOT to live in Illinois.
Ken Brooks
RV-8QB in progress
N1903P reserved
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
Hey Dan,
How about a part number for these hinges. I need a couple of em.
Gary
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>I'm happy with how my oil door has turned out, with the hinge invisible and
>all. But before I rivet it together, I want to make sure I'm not shooting
>myself in the foot with regard to painting. Here are some photos and
>comments on the issue:
>
>http://www.rvproject.com/oildoor.html
>
>...the issue being that unlike the "stock" design, the oil door is not
>removable once riveted on (can't be painted separately), and it might be
>tricky to get the inside flange painted.
>
>If I paint everything separately and then assemble it, I'll obviously have
>visible rivet heads, no can do.
>
>Is it as simple as masking off everything but the flange, painting that
>first, letting that dry, then closing the door and painting the whole cowl?
>I'm going to have a paint shop shoot it, so is this something I can expect
>the average shop to accommodate?
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Gary Zilik wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> How about a part number for these hinges. I need a couple of em.
>
I thought I would try and give Dan a bit of a break from answering all the email
his site generates . If you look on his site he has a search function.
http://www.rvproject.com/search.html go there and do a search for "oil door",
and you will quickly find this page that has the mcmaster.com part numbers.
http://www.rvproject.com/20031029.html
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Bringing airplane into USA |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
A friend and I just returned from Cranbrook, BC Canada, just north of Kalispel,
MT. My RV-6 got us there in 4 hours flat from Casper, WY. What great country
and people. Know I can say I have flown to another country.
My friend is purchasing a Avid MK III with a 582 Rotax. The airplane is registered
in Canada and bringing the plane back into the USA does not seem a problem.
The plane was built and flown in Canada all its life.
The problem arises about bringing the engine into the USA. US Customs wants a paper
stating that it meets USA emmision Standards.
Question: where does one obtain a copy of this? Has any one else delt with this
issue before?
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--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
Just recently my alternator has been acting up.
Problem: I have vans 35 amp alterntor and a cessna style master switch. I have
been flying my RV with setup for 155 hours before the problem occured.
With both switches of the master on, I engage the starter and the plane starts,
the alt. field fuse blows. If I turn the alt. switch off and start the plane
then turn the alt. switch of the master on, everything is ok.
What is causing my fuse to blow?
Thanks
John Danielson
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Don't understand all the yahoo you guys are going through on the oil door!
Here is what I did:
When I cut the piece out of the cowl to make the door, I used an Exacto saw
blade to make the font and rear cuts. To use that saw I peeled away the
stiffener rib so the blade could be inserted into the cut as it progressed.
It worked great and resulted in very narrow kerfs. For the inboard and
outboard cuts I used a standard fine toothed hack-saw blade as I was not
concerned about the wider kerf because I would trim the door to allow space
for the hinge eyes, therefore the kerf width was not an issue, because the
hinge is mounted on the inside of the door and cowl. I use shim strips to
get the top of the hinge eyes flush with the cowl outside surface. It was a
piece of cake to rivet the hinge to the cowl using a rivet squeezer and then
rivet the cover to the hinge with the hinge in the open position. This was
done with the edge of the door in vertical position resting on the hinge
eyes and with my 3" yoke on the squeezer all the rivets can be reached from
the forward or rear side of the door
Net result: After filling sanding and priming the top of the eyes are flush
with the door and cowl top surface and all that can be seen are the gaps
between the eyes. Only disadvantage: The door can only be opened a little
beyond the vertical position, but that's no problem.
Cheers!!----Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
John: I had this problem with my RV-6 when using Bob Nichols Crow Bar wired
to the switch, as indicated by his install diagram. I then located the Crow
Bar overvoltage protection to my alternator field circuit breaker and the
problem went away. I deduced that the starting surge was causing the
breaker to pop. My view only.
Harvey Sigmon RV-6A N602RV flying 260hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: <JDaniel343@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alternator
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> Just recently my alternator has been acting up.
> Problem: I have vans 35 amp alterntor and a cessna style master switch. I
have been flying my RV with setup for 155 hours before the problem occured.
> With both switches of the master on, I engage the starter and the plane
starts, the alt. field fuse blows. If I turn the alt. switch off and start
the plane then turn the alt. switch of the master on, everything is ok.
> What is causing my fuse to blow?
> Thanks
> John Danielson
>
>
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| Subject: | Starter/Starter Relay |
--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
Hi gang,
My buddy called me yesterday to say that when he tried to restart my RV-4
after refueling, the starter circuit breaker popped off and continued to
pop out when re-trying the start. He pushed the plane back into the hanger
and went home. I came out this morning and, of course, the starter worked
just fine. In thinking out the problem, my conclusion is that the starter
itself did not make the 5 amp circuit breaker pop. Only the starter rely is
hooked to this circuit. I have not yet pulled off the cowling, and I do not
have an installed amp meter. I want to get a handle on the problem first.
Am I correct in thinking that the starter relay is the cause of the
overload? That it is having an intermittent shorting problem and that It
needs immediate replacement? Are there other probabilities or possibilities?
The little Mark Landoll starter has been running like a champ and always
turns the IO-360 over like a bat out of hell. This morning as well.
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF " Miss Viagra"
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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| Subject: | Re: Another Plane Is Born |
--> RV-List message posted by: Genev E Reed <genevreed@juno.com>
Ross: I hope your plane can carry all the weight.
Doyle Reed Flying RV7A 127 Hrs.
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:41:01 -0800 "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
> N9PT has successfully made the transition from being a bundle of
> parts to an
> airplane. At 11:30 am, Nov 6, Mike Robertson, aka das fed, issued
> the
> special airworthiness certificate. Mike did a great job and was
> fantastic
> to work with.
>
> First flight is scheduled for Sunday, Nov 9, exactly 9 years after I
> picked
> my empennage kit up from Vans.
>
> Many thanks to the RV-List. My first post was June 14, 1995.
>
>
> Vital Statistics
>
> RV-6A (slow build obviously)
> N9PT (no significance. I picked it because its shortness and how
> it rolls
> off the tongue (Niner, Papa, Tango))
> New O360-A1A Lycoming
> New Hartzel Constant Speed Prop
> One Lightspeed Plasma II Electronic Ign, One Mag
> GRT Engine Monitor with fuel flow option
> TruTrack DFC 250
> Propriety Software AOA Pro II
> Dynon EFIS with remote compass
> Aviation Instruments Technology Mach III Air Data Computer
> Richie M2 electronic compass
> RC Allen Turn Coordinator
> Electronic International Super Clock
> Bob Nuckolls Voltage/Loadmeter
> Apollo Full Stack
> MX20 MFD
> GX60 GPS/Com
> SL15 Audio/CD/Playback
> SL70 Transponder
> SL30 Nav/Com
> Annunciator
> Mid-Continent CDI
> Electric aileron/elevator trim and flaps
> Infinity Aerospace Grip (pilot only, co-pilot unwired w/ Mac grip)
> PTT---Trigger
> Aileron/elevator trim hat
> Flaps down and up with limit switch for automatic shut off
> Comm1 flip/flop and playback for my SL15
> TruTrack Control Wheel Autopilot Switch
> Previous/next screens on my GRT engine monitor
> Standard Nav and Com 1 antenna
> Archer Wingtip Com II and Marker Beacon Antennas
> All Electric, one battery, B&C 40 amp alternator and backup B&C SD-8
> PM
> Alternator
> Wired as per Bob Nuckolls "All Electric On A Budget"....with some
> tweaks
> Hot bus, essential bus, main bus
> Leather, tempra foam seats by Becky Orndorff
> Panel by Steve Davis, Panel Pilot
> Hooker Harness Seat Belts
> Andair Gasolator
> Safecraft Chrome Halon Fire Extinguisher
> Stewart Warner oil cooler
> Earls SS oil and gas hoses
> Whelan Strobes
> Mountain High Portable O2 with Kevlar tank
>
> Ross Mickey
> N9PT....flying...almost
>
>
>
> _->
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| Subject: | Re: OT in Response to Boyd Braem, was "This is a Real Story..." |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Ken,
Thanks and please pass my thanks as well for a job " WELL DONE " many times
over.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: OT in Response to Boyd Braem, was "This is a Real
>Story..."
>Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:10:48 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
>
>Boyd and fellow rv-builders and wannabes,
> I feel your pain, bro. My dad was an "aging" Major in the A.F. who
>was
>sent to Nam to fly Hueys in the Green Hornets (recon team insertion and
>extraction) from April 67 to May 68. This was his 3rd conflict, starting
>with P-51s in WWII (war ended before he saw combat), FAC in Korea (T-6),
>and then Viet Nam. The reception he got from ungrateful citizens of his
>own
>country upon his miraculous return from RVN was such that he stifled every
>thought and comment about his VN experience, until one day about 5 years
>ago
>when his grandson's teacher found out about his military experience and
>asked him to come speak to his class of 5th graders. As he plied off the
>layers of protection in order to relate his experience, he stopped in
>mid-sentence and in one moment in time, remembered exactly how he had felt
>three decades earlier. While he was trying to regain his composure, the
>empathetic teacher went over to him and said, Mr. Brooks, I want to thank
>you for serving your country and protecting our freedom." It was the first
>time he had ever heard anything remotely resembling gratitude from anyone.
>I'm not sure how long it took him to regain his composure, but when Dad
>told
>me about the talk in Brian's class months later, the same emotions
>resurfaced and he couldn't continue.
>
>So, to all of you that ever put yourselves in harms way when your country
>called you to duty, Thank You! You are all my heroes. Dad will celebrate
>his 80th birthday next month and I have him to thank for pounding all these
>rivets. Sure hope I can get it done in time to go flying with him.
>
>do not archive
>
>Ken Brooks
>RV-8QB in progress
>N1903P reserved
>
>How fortunate for governments that the people do not think -- Adolf Hitler
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Mine occasionally does this too.... & I don't thave a clue......
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: <JDaniel343@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alternator
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> Just recently my alternator has been acting up.
> Problem: I have vans 35 amp alterntor and a cessna style master switch. I
have been flying my RV with setup for 155 hours before the problem occured.
> With both switches of the master on, I engage the starter and the plane
starts, the alt. field fuse blows. If I turn the alt. switch off and start
the plane then turn the alt. switch of the master on, everything is ok.
> What is causing my fuse to blow?
> Thanks
> John Danielson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: invisible hinge oil door...questionable assembly/painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I was busy all day helping a local RV-7A
builder seal & rivet a tank. Not as bad as I remember, but sure glad I'm
well past all that! 8-)
Just for the archive, here are the concealed hinge part #s:
#11205A35 - $3.60ea, Weldable Concealed Hinge Type 304 Stainless Steel,
51/64" Wide, .075" Thick
#11205A36 - $7.45ea, Weldable Concealed Hinge Type 304 Stainless Steel,
1-1/4" Wide, .090" Thick
I used the small ones. If anybody wants the two bigger ones they're yours
for 10 bucks for both, shipping to anywhere in the 48 US included. I paid
$14.90 plus tax for 'em. First come first serve. 8-)
I think the bigger ones would work well for a wingtip locker door or
something like that. I felt they were a little too big and heavy for the
oil door app.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: invisible hinge oil door...questionable
assembly/painting
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Gary Zilik wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
> >
> > Hey Dan,
> >
> > How about a part number for these hinges. I need a couple of em.
> >
>
> I thought I would try and give Dan a bit of a break from answering all the
email
> his site generates . If you look on his site he has a search function.
> http://www.rvproject.com/search.html go there and do a search for "oil
door",
> and you will quickly find this page that has the mcmaster.com part
numbers.
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/20031029.html
>
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Jordan,
I've got an ACS2002 in my RV-7 tip-up -- animal of a different breed than
you asked for, but I still have a suggestion. I mounted mine on angle
"rails" running longitudinally between the sub-panel bottom flange and the
top firewall stiffener angle. I'm already regretting it.
Here are some photos of where I put mine:
http://www.rvproject.com/20030602.html
If I had to do it again, I would mount the analog box on a hinged plate (or
hinged rails), hinged at the firewall so it can drop down for easy
maintenance. I found that it's an ideal location, I just dread having to
work on it...since mine is facing up, and the thought of using a mirror and
a small screwdriver from below is a little annoying...hope I don't have to
do any work on the thing.
Like many people hinge their fuse blocks (I didn't), I'd do the same thing
for the ACS2002 analog box. Leave enough of a service loop on each sensor
wire, run 'em through an adel clamp in the corner, and hinge that puppy.
Will definitely do it that way next time.
I did find that some of the sensor wires were shorter than I would have
liked, which was a factor in choosing where I mounted the box. Now I'm not
intimidated by wiring at all, so I wouldn't let that play into the equation
next time either. Extending a sensor wire is no big deal.
Anyway, I hope this RV-7 tip-up perspective helps your RV-6A slider
situation. 8-)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>
> Listers:
> I just got my ACS2002 engine monitor and I am contemplating where
I can
> mount the Analog Module in the airplane. Is there anyone out there with
the
> ACS2002 installed in an RV-6 Slider? I would like to know where you
mounted
> the module and how its been working for you.
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan Grant
> RV-6 - working on the panel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ACS2002 Engine Monitor Analog Module Installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
Here is a photo of the ACS 2002 installation in my 7A slider.
http://members.aol.com/N67BT/behindpanel.htm
Bob Trumpfheller
PS, to review my very simple RV7A update web page go to:
http://members.aol.com/N67BT
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
Hi John,
I don't know what is causing the fuse to blow, but if you have the Cessna
Split Master switch I read in Light Plane Maintenance that it is preferable
to start the engine with the Alternator Field "OFF" then once the engine
starts turn the Alternator Field "ON". The reason for this was that it takes
2 amps off the battery power capacity to provide the field with a charge.
This power is not used to start the engine and it does not contribute to
charging the battery until the engine is turning faster. In my -8 I have the
split switch and I start it with the battery only and then switch on the
Alternator Field. This also allows me to check the battery voltage and
verify that the Alternator kicks in by watching the Volts gauge. So what I'm
saying is that I believe it is perfectly acceptable to start with the Alt
Field OFF then turn it on when the engines running.
Good Luck- I would definitely find the cause of the fuse tripping though.
Ed Perry
RV-8
----- Original Message -----
From: <JDaniel343@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alternator
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> Just recently my alternator has been acting up.
> Problem: I have vans 35 amp alterntor and a cessna style master switch. I
have been flying my RV with setup for 155 hours before the problem occured.
> With both switches of the master on, I engage the starter and the plane
starts, the alt. field fuse blows. If I turn the alt. switch off and start
the plane then turn the alt. switch of the master on, everything is ok.
> What is causing my fuse to blow?
> Thanks
> John Danielson
>
>
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| Subject: | Salute to our Mil Aviators (OT) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Listers,
I had a most interesting experience Friday morning that I thought I'd share.
(NOT specifically RV related, so delete now if not interested.)
I had the morning free from work, husband and father chores. Time to RVate!
I went to a local breakfast spot for a plate of pancakes and eggs. I was
wearing my flightsuit....the usual green nomex with various patches: wings,
"RV8 Total Performance", "Young Eagles flight leader", etc. While enjoying
my breakfast, the waitress stopped by to top off my java mug, held up my
ticket and said, "don't worry about it...it's been paid for."
"Uh...OK...by who, and why?" I asked. She just grinned and shrugged her
shoulders.
So, I looked around, saw nobody looking my way; just the usual folks lost in
conversation, pondering the days work ahead and probably wishing they owned
an RV!! OK, maybe not. But if they only knew...
So, I finished up, left a hefty tip and headed off to go play with some low
level puffies that we seldom get around here. (For we New Mexicans, cloud
slalloming is a rare treat...unless you want to climb up to the flight
levels to find them.)
It then dawned on me that there must have been someone in the cafe who
thought I was military and just wanted to say THANKS for being there. The
waitress did mention that the local air guard guys often stop by en masse
for pre-mission munchies. I think she relayed to another customer that I
was one of them. So, I started feeling awkward, even ashamed, but honored
at the gesture given freely to a mis-identified protector of our nation's
freedoms.
To those who DO put their lives on the line to patrol our skies and knock
down the bad guys before they can inflict harm on our families and homes, I
say THANK YOU....Boyd, Danny, Denis, Stu, Scott, and all the other wonderful
RV'ers with JP4 still flowing in their veins....a big salute from me to
you.
Oh, and feel free to stop by AEG if you come through Albuquerque. Breakfast
is on me. :)
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 40051
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| Subject: | Re: Bringing airplane into USA |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
I think you got ahold of a customs person that is not very knowledgeable
about aircraft. Aircraft engines to not have to meet any emissions
standards at this time. If you want to go further though I would get ahold
of Rotax themselves and ask about it.
Mike Robertson
>From: JDaniel343@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Bringing airplane into USA
>Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:55:32 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
>A friend and I just returned from Cranbrook, BC Canada, just north of
>Kalispel, MT. My RV-6 got us there in 4 hours flat from Casper, WY. What
>great country and people. Know I can say I have flown to another country.
>My friend is purchasing a Avid MK III with a 582 Rotax. The airplane is
>registered in Canada and bringing the plane back into the USA does not seem
>a problem. The plane was built and flown in Canada all its life.
>The problem arises about bringing the engine into the USA. US Customs wants
>a paper stating that it meets USA emmision Standards.
>Question: where does one obtain a copy of this? Has any one else delt with
>this issue before?
>
>
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| Subject: | Over the fence at 70 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <rob@robsglass.com>
I wonder - we are both talking KIAS right? Stall is mid forties as I remember
and this would make a normal stabilised approach just below 60 KIAS using the
usual 1.3 Vso. I've only flown a 9 once - the factory demonstrator - and it was
very stable in slow flight indeed. I certainly experienced no difficulties
at all at speeds in the 60's.
This is most certainly not meant to be contentious or a flame and my experience
is limited but the implication that a 9 cannot be flown 'comfortably' at 60 to
65 KIAS is of great surprise to me and some concern as well, for if this is
true I am not building the plane I thought I was.
Are there any other 9 drivers who can contribute their experiences?
Rob
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Over the fence at 70 ........
From: "Larry PERRYMAN" <larry.perryman@atofina.com>
11/07/2003 03:31:52 PM,
Serialize complete at 11/07/2003 03:31:52 PM
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN" <larry.perryman@atofina.com>
Rob,
If you are comfortable with those speeds then use them. It will shorten
your roll. My only problem is getting it down that slow.
Regards,
Larry Perryman
N194DL
"Rob W M Shipley" <rob@robsglass.com>
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11/06/2003 07:13 PM
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cc:
Subject: RV9-List: Over the fence at 70 ........
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <rob@robsglass.com>
I'm still building and have no opportunity to land a 9 yet but for a plane
with a stall in the mid 40s and reportedly very stable handling 70 sounds
rather high. I used 60 - 65 in the Cherokees and 152s and would not
expect to use higher speeds in a slipperier (?) plane with a similar stall
speed.
Is anyone using slower speeds?
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV (res) Fuselage
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| Subject: | AnywhereMap airspace warning |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
For those using Control Vision's AnywhereMap you should not rely on it's
Class B & C airspace depictions without verifying it against current
charts. The latest database download does not show the new Houston Class
B airspace correctly, missing (at least) the new East-West approach
corridors that went into effect 10/30. In discussions with CV about the
problem I was disturbed to discover that it is further reaching with
problems reported on the forums with ABQ & ISP Class C and DEN & BOS
Class B. CV's contention is that the problems are in the "government
data" and they are "working on it" but some of these are long standing
(multi-year). Responding to a forum question on busting airspace they
doubted a defence of "corrupted government data" would hold up since
they are not certified. Since CV makes a big deal out of having SFR
updates 4 times a day in seems inconguous that they let known B & C
problems go unresolved for so long without even warning their users. If
it truely is a data problem and not CV's handling then it could extend
to other manufacturers units. I've been holding off updating my panel
mount so I can't verify if the Jepp data has the same problem. Since
it's approach certified, I would hope it's correct.I always carry
current charts but have certainly been guilty of reliance on the moving
maps for airspace boundaries. Maybe this is part of the reason the Jepp
updates are more expensive. As always YMMV, caveat emptor, etc.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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