---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/10/03: 61 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - WLAS... (Matt Dralle) 2. 02:47 AM - Desoprime CA7700 (Jim Nolan) 3. 02:47 AM - Re: Alternator Bracket failure (Alan McKeen) 4. 03:30 AM - Re: Alternator Bracket failure (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 5. 05:50 AM - Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 6. 05:58 AM - Spinner for CS prop with counter weights (Scott Brown) 7. 06:29 AM - Prop Governor Line (0-360) (Edward_W. O_Connor) 8. 06:45 AM - Re: Prop Governor Line (0-360) (Alex Peterson) 9. 06:53 AM - Re: Alodine vs Iridite was Brushing on Iridite 14-2 (Charlie Kuss) 10. 06:58 AM - Re: Alternator bracket failure (Greg Milner) 11. 07:16 AM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Sam Buchanan) 12. 07:55 AM - Re: Canopy samples (David Carter) 13. 08:51 AM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Harvey Sigmon) 14. 09:29 AM - Re: Approach Speeds (Ross Mickey) 15. 10:35 AM - Re: Approach Speeds (Boyd Braem) 16. 11:06 AM - WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight (dmedema@att.net) 17. 11:47 AM - Re: Approach Speeds (Kevin Horton) 18. 11:48 AM - Re: Approach Speeds (Stein Bruch) 19. 11:56 AM - Re: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight (Sam Buchanan) 20. 11:57 AM - Happy Birthday Marines () 21. 12:08 PM - Re: Approach Speeds (Ross Mickey) 22. 12:19 PM - Re: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight (C. Rabaut) 23. 12:35 PM - SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter (Pat Hatch) 24. 01:41 PM - Re: Approach Speeds (Elsa & Henry) 25. 01:44 PM - F-4 Phantom II (J- model) (Boyd Braem) 26. 01:45 PM - Re: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight (David Burton) 27. 01:45 PM - Re: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter (Lenleg@aol.com) 28. 02:13 PM - Re: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 29. 02:22 PM - heated pitot tube on eBay (Ed Perry) 30. 02:47 PM - was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (C. Rabaut) 31. 02:50 PM - Pilot Operating Handbook (DICK PITTENGER) 32. 03:02 PM - Round oil door latch (was Re: hartwell latch) (czechsix@juno.com) 33. 03:51 PM - Flap rod length (Jeff Point) 34. 04:00 PM - Re: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (Jim Jewell) 35. 04:03 PM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Randy Lervold) 36. 04:15 PM - Re: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (Boyd Braem) 37. 04:19 PM - Re: Pilot Operating Handbook (Boyd Braem) 38. 04:42 PM - Re: N9PT First Flight (Charles Rowbotham) 39. 04:42 PM - Re: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (C. Rabaut) 40. 04:44 PM - Re: Pilot Operating Handbook (Kevin Horton) 41. 04:46 PM - Re: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight (Charles Rowbotham) 42. 04:56 PM - Re: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (C. Rabaut) 43. 04:56 PM - Fw: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (Elsa & Henry) 44. 05:02 PM - Re: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter (Randy Lervold) 45. 05:07 PM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Ken Simmons) 46. 05:09 PM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Sam Buchanan) 47. 05:12 PM - Re: "heavy wing" (Randy Lervold) 48. 05:25 PM - Re: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" (Boyd Braem) 49. 05:44 PM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot/Navaid (Boyd Braem) 50. 05:46 PM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Charlie & Tupper England) 51. 05:56 PM - Re: "heavy wing" (Boyd Braem) 52. 06:31 PM - Re: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) (Sam Buchanan) 53. 07:33 PM - Source for getting spinner polished.... (RV6AOKC@aol.com) 54. 07:33 PM - PC680 Charger..? (RV6AOKC@aol.com) 55. 07:53 PM - Our military (Rob W M Shipley) 56. 08:23 PM - Re: PC680 Charger..? (Dan Checkoway) 57. 09:17 PM - Re: PC680 Charger..? (Vanremog@aol.com) 58. 09:28 PM - Re: "heavy wing" (Ross Mickey) 59. 09:28 PM - Re: Pilot Operating Handbook (Ross Mickey) 60. 09:33 PM - Re: OT-Building a RV is going to pay off (NIGERIAN) Republicans (Boyd Braem) 61. 11:05 PM - Re: "heavy wing" (Randy Lervold) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:15 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: WLAS... --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!! If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a moment and make your Contribution today? 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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Nolan" Subject: RV-List: Desoprime CA7700 --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" Listers, Is there anyone out there that has actually used PPG Concept topcoat over Desoprime CA7700. Or better yet is there anyone that's used Desothane CA8800 as a topcoat and would like to inform me of the result. I'm getting ready to order a kit from the Indianapolis office, I've got to be set up as a customer. The price is right, $158.00 per kit. But it's a five week wait. The advantages of using Desoprime seem to outweigh the waiting period to get it. But if it's not compatible with various automotive topcoats, I'll go back to Variprime. I do know that after 1100 hrs the Variprime and Zinc Chromate have held up, but my RV4 lives in a heated hanger and it don't know what bugs are. If you've used Desoprime and Desothane, or Desoprime and Concept. Please e-mail me directly. If it's a bad review, I'll be able to stop the transaction. Jim Nolan N444JN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:53 AM PST US From: "Alan McKeen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternator Bracket failure --> RV-List message posted by: "Alan McKeen" My aluminum alternator bracket also failed with about 300 hour on it at the time of discovery. The bracket cracked under one of the bolts attaching it to the engine. The crack was difficult to see, but not impossible. The bolt held the bracket together and the second bolt to engine appears to have been adequate to hold the alternator in place. I replaced the aluminum bracket with the universal two part steel bracket sold by Van's and Aircraft Spruce. Alan McKeen N418AL 600 Hours on the Hobbs ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:04 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternator Bracket failure From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Happened to me. My solution at http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm Under flying/250hr. Report. Been good for 800 hours now. Mike Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Alternator Bracket failure --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com At oil change this weekend I noticed a complete failure of my stock blue anodized aluminum alternator bracket, with a crack across both halves of the arm at the far end of the belt tension adjustment slot, just above the bolt which locks the alternator into final position. Because the belt holds the broken pieces in tension, there was no significant displacement of the parts, and I have no way of knowing how long it may have been like this. I suspect this is a vibration-related failure possibly originating from a stress riser where the bolt head/washer may have galled the bracket. I believe the alternator boss position also places some lateral bending stress on this arm, as it is not in perfect alignment with the plane of the engine case's boss. That's if my memory of the installation serves me correctly after 5 years. FWIW, my v-belt is of a length that requires the alternator to be bolted at maximum distance down the slot to adequately tension the belt. I will be ord! ering a replacement from Van's, which will be radiused along the edges of the slot (the original was shipped quite roughly machined and anodized, and I neglected to deburr it before installation.) Meanwhile, after a bit of boy scout lashing with safety wire, I went flying with the bracket as is, and had an uneventful 1 hour local flight. Just giving everyone a heads-up and wondering if this had ever come up before. -Bill Boyd RV-6A 335 hrs TT Lyc O-320-E2D Sensenich FP prop, Van's 35A Alternator. = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:15 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Recently I was able to test a new version of Trio's single roll axis autopilot. www.trioavionics.com . I have been running the Navaid for 1000hrs and was pretty happy with it. It WAS the only game in town so I really did not have any comparisons. Here are some things that have always annoyed me about the Navaid unit. 1. I had have the gyro rebuilt 2. When you engaged the unit you had better hold on. There is no telling what it might do. IT could roll into a 60 degree bank and scare the bejesus out of you and your passenger before it gets stable and presses on. 3. It was stable in turbulence, but not real stable. 4. Tracking was always off one way or another. Not by a lot, but always off. More annoying than anything. 5. When I keyed up the mic, again you had better hold on. It could roll you upside down. 6. When intercepting a course, it would overshoot, undershoot, overshoot, undershoot until it got on course. IT would never nail it. If you had an approach loaded, it would shoot you right through the FAF and there was no hope of making the runway unless you got on the final approach course miles before the FAF. 7. Every conversation with Navaid for the past 3 years about improving their unit resulted in me ending the conversation with a feeling that these guys will not be in business much longer. So when I heard about this unit from Trio I contacted them immediately and asked how I could get a hold of one. Jerry Hansen answered and we hit it off right from the start. They were nearing readiness for a beta test of their new 2 gyro unit and were looking for flyers. I had to pay for the unit, but that was fine with me. I entered the beta program and received the unit in the mail. Out of the box impressions were this: 1. It is small. It weighs less than 8oz(yes 8!) 2. The direct plug into my existing Navaid servo really was the right plug! 3. It's small. Less than 3" deep. After a recent complete panel overhaul (ripped out vacuum, installed 2nd EI and ripped that ole last mag out, installed Dynon, Garmin 430, and some other nifty items) I was ready for this new solid state gyro technology. No gyros to replace, no tumbling the unit, no electric whine to listen to. Just quiet reliable computer chips to crank away at the data to fly me along. As a young guy, it just seems to make sense to me. Electronic failures are almost unheard of with this type of equipment. I have rebuilt my horizon 3 times, DG twice, and Navaid once in 1000 hours. I mean come on! This electronic solid state gyro stuff is the future, and the future is now. Here are some of the cool features this unit has: 1. A display has has data on it. At first I did not see this as any real benefit until I flew it. My 430 moving map, and I am sure yours too, displays important data fields that you use and need constantly. Ground speed, track, distance to waypoint etc are all important. What is also important is the moving map real estate space. Those fields take up valuable real estate on the moving map. This trio displays those fields, and cycles through others freeing up the moving map to use up all the screen. This is extremely valuable. In fact, in my report to trio, I recommended then add more display lines for more data to display. 2. Intercept mode. You can read the web site for what it does. Ill just say it works just as advertised and is extremely accurate. Even if the direction you need to go is behind you, it makes a real nice teardrop course reversal and nails the course line. Obviously this thing is smart and doing some pretty good math to handle that maneuver. Navaid would not even drop me in the same county if tried that. 3. Adjustable course track. Dial in .97 deg. heading, and that's what you will fly. In either the TRK or CRS mode, if the remote servo disconnect switch is activated, you can fly to any new course desired and, upon releasing the switch, the autopilot will enter the CRS mode and track the new course over the ground. SO the next time you are told turn 10 degrees left, you can either dial in 10 degrees left, or release the servo, turn manually 10 left, and reengage the servo. 4. Excellent turbulence performance. It reacts so quickly, a noticeable improvement over the Navaid. 5. Plugs in quickly to an existing Navaid servo. I am not kidding you when I tell you that installation took less than 3 minutes. 4 screws and the navaid dropped right out of the panel, and 4 screws and the Trio was in and running. I already had a remote servo disconnect I used for the Navaid. I moved 2 moles pins to take advantage of this feature in Trios box and that was it. In minutes I was playing with running. 6. It accepts an "Aviation" data stream, as well as the NMEA format. But the aviation data stream has much more info contained in it. Like waypoint name etc. All can now be displayed on-screen, freeing up the moving map space. This is great. 7. Communication and service has been very very good. They have already implemented mine, and others recommendations. Some features now available that I have not tried are: (taken from their website) Selectable Track Offset Position (TOP) While flight testing the autopilot and flying flight plans using published airways, we often encountered other airplanes using the same airway. While this was usually during climb or descent (for either us or the opposing aircraft) it was a potential safety issue. As more aircraft are using precision GPS receivers to navigate, and many are coupled to autopilots, such close encounters are likely to increase. For this reason, the EZ Pilot incorporates a Track Offset Position (TOP) feature that allows the pilot to select a track offset of up to 1 mile. This places the aircraft away from the course centerline where much of the traffic might be found. It is interesting to note, that if all aircraft positioned themselves to the right of the published course centerline (for instance), opposing traffic would always be on the opposite side of the centerline. Top Speed Controlled Bank Angle A "standard rate turn" of 3 degrees per second may result in a comfortable bank angle at 130 knots, but as speed increases the bank angle must be increased to achieve the standard rate of turn. In faster aircraft this steeper bank may be uncomfortable to some pilots and, indeed, may exceed the capability of an altitude hold system to maintain altitude properly in the turn. To remedy this, the EZ Pilot has a means whereby the users can adjust the maximum rate of turn to their personal satisfaction. When shipped, the EZ Pilot is defaulted to an "automatic" mode where the actual turn rate is automatically adjusted based on groundspeed (as measured by your GPS). For aircraft cruising at groundspeeds of 140 knots or greater the automatic mode will decrease the allowable turn rate to keep the aircraft bank angle at a comfortable maximum of approximately 15 degrees. Slower speeds will allow a standard rate turn of 3 degrees per second. Top Adjustable Bank Angle Limit If your cruise groundspeed is typically less than 150 knots, or if you do not mind the higher bank angles at the higher groundspeeds, you may want to select the MANUAL mode. In the MANUAL mode you can set the maximum turn rate to a fixed limit. It is adjustable from 1 degree/sec to as high as 3 degree/sec, in increments of 1/10th degree/sec. Emergency Course Reversal In an effort to increase safety and save lives, this mode may be implemented as an emergency aid to the VFR pilot who inadvertently enters IMC conditions and needs to execute an immediate course reversal. It is important to realize that the autopilot must be turned on and receiving a good GPS data signal for proper operation. You may be tracking a flight plan but a sudden IMC encounter may not leave you with an opportunity to reprogram your GPS to invert the flight plan. This procedure does not require you to adjust your GPS receiver. If you are manually flying your aircraft, this procedure will also work because the servo does not have to be engaged to initiate this emergency procedure. The procedure is simple and straightforward. Press and hold the MODE button for three seconds. That's all you need to do! After three seconds the following will occur: 1 The servo will be energized (if off) and the wing leveler function will engage. 2 The upper right display line will read "TRN 180" 3 The lower right display line will be forced to the turn coordinator display 4. A 175 degree right course reversal will be executed (Back to Mike Stewart's comments) All in all this is a tremendous value. I'll be sending my unit in soon for the recent changes. There is one notable item that is absolutely terrible, and that is the screen goes completely blank in direct sunlight. I mean you can not read one item. A quick hand over the unit and all is fine, but they will no doubt need to address this soon. From Jerry here is what is in the works: In the works: Turbulence penetration enhancement incorporating a full roll coupled gyro - Expected late 1st quarter 2004 LCD display option - Expected 1st quarter 2004 Altitude hold system +/- 20 feet vertical tracking - Expected 3rd quarter 2004 (back to Mike Stewart's comments) Sam Buchanan and I are both real happy with this thing and its performance. Sam has already spoken to his interest in this unit in message number #116018. Electric spinning gyro's are history and this company has a roll axis autopilot at a price point that will put all others to shame. (Navaid are you listening? I tried to tell you over the past 3 years you needed to look at this stuff, and here it is!) I can't wait to see the new display and integrated vertical guidance. One thing I don't have and wish I did was altitude pre-select at a reasonable price. Altrak watch out, these guys are knocking on your door. If I were your mother, and you are flying your rv in anything other than severe clear local flights, I would make you put one of these things in your plane. Not only will it take some workload off, but it might save your A#@! one day. Mike Stewart 6A 1100 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:02 AM PST US From: "Scott Brown" Subject: RV-List: Spinner for CS prop with counter weights --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" Listers, Having a problem finding a spinner that will fit my hartzell cs prop with counter weights. Has anyone come up against this obstacle? Vans spinner will not work. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated. Please respond offline. Thanks! Scott ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:15 AM PST US From: "Edward_W. O_Connor" Subject: RV-List: Prop Governor Line (0-360) --> RV-List message posted by: "Edward_W. O_Connor" Does anyone on list have a Lycoming 0-360 prop governor line they would like to sell at a resonable price? New or used. I can make a flexable line for about $50-75 but would prefer the stanless line if I can get it at a resonable price ($75-100). I think they are about $150-200 factory new. If you have one or know a source please E-Mail me at Thanks. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:38 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop Governor Line (0-360) --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > Does anyone on list have a Lycoming 0-360 prop governor line > they would like to sell at a resonable price? New or used. I > can make a flexable line for about $50-75 but would prefer > the stanless line if I can get it at a resonable price > ($75-100). I think they are about $150-200 factory new. If > you have one or know a source please E-Mail me at > Thanks. Do not archive This is an important, high pressure line. I would not purchase a used one, as it would be impossible to determine if significant fatigue life has been used up. There have been problems with the mounting of these causing failures, and you would never really know the history of a used part. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 400 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:38 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Question Subject: Re: RV-List: Alodine vs Iridite was Brushing on Iridite 14-2 Question --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Question Hi Dave, I was surprised by the bounce myself. If the Alodine distributor is a lot closer, go with them. These two products are functionally identical. I've used both. However, I would have to go out of state to get powdered Alodine, so I now use the Iridite. (their distributor is 25 miles south of me) Both products are great. Use whichever is easier to obtain. Charlie PS I wished I'd known that Isoprep 188 ( similar to AlumiPrep 33, PPG's DX533 and DuPont's 225S) was available in powdered form back when I was buying it. :-( >--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith > >Charlie, > >I'm not sure why anything would bounce. I leave my email up all the >time, so I'm always cleaning out the inbox. I have 50mb of storage for >my email, and I don't have any msgs sitting there, so I should have been >able to receive it. If you would, please try a test msg and let's see >if that goes sans attachments. > >The recovery I'm talking about is converting the liquid back into powder >form, which can be re-used. I'm not sure how it's done yet, but I've >been told it's possible. > >Linn, > >I just started calling chemical companies that were listed in my yellow >pages, and started asking who carries McDermid. 1st call I made got me >to an Alodine rep, and he gave me the # for the Iridite rep. Friendly >folks, but they don't deal in this stuff a lot, so whenever I ask a >question, there's a delay of a day or two to get an answer. > > >-- > >Dave >http://www.rv10project.net > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:47 AM PST US From: "Greg Milner" Subject: RV-List: Re: Alternator bracket failure --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Milner" My steel alternator bracket failed at about 150hrs. Repair welded and it`s good yet at 375hrs. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:18 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > Recently I was able to test a new version of Trio's single roll axis > autopilot. www.trioavionics.com . :-) > All in all this is a tremendous value. > Sam Buchanan and I are both real happy > with this thing and its performance. Sam has already spoken to his > interest in this unit in message number #116018. Electric spinning > gyro's are history and this company has a roll axis autopilot at a price > point that will put all others to shame. Just a footnote to Mike's report on the EX-Pilot; I have the latest software version in my EZ-Pilot and the newest additions to the feature set gives this puppy some tricks that are not available in any other wing leveler, and probably not any other autopilot regardless of complexity. As Mike stated, this autopilot really, really works nicely. Even though I have supported and used the Navaid for over four years and 500 hrs, (the Navaid was functioning properly when I retired it) the EZ-Pilot's capabilities are far beyond what the Navaid can offer. And the fact that the Navaid servo already buried in the wing of my RV-6 works perfectly with the EX-Pilot made this upgrade a no-brainer. I am really impressed with the responsiveness of Jerry, Chuck and the rest of the Trio group in how they were receptive to the observations made during the beta test phase of their system. The latest production version of the software addresses all the minor issues found in testing, and adds some cool stuff we hadn't even thought about! One really neat feature is the "automatic 180"; even if the system is not engaged, as long as it is receiving GPS data you can push one button and the plane will instantly initiate a course reversal and lock on to the reciprocal course in wing leveler mode. Might be just the ticket in case you lapse into a brain fade and manage to stick the nose of the plane into something you don't like. Since the system is digital, it offers great flexibility in the way you can program it for your needs. The way the unit intercepts courses and rolls into turns can be customized to your taste and aircraft. We just had another EZ-Pilot installed in one of the RVs at DCU and when I checked on the pilot yesterday, he was all grins after returning from a cross country lunch flight. This is a very capable system backed up by a company that appears to be committed to the long haul and I think we are going to see a bunch of EZ-Pilots in RVs in the months to come. Sam Buchanan new panel with EX-Pilot; http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:03 AM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy samples --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" Dana, I'd like a couple of pieces, too, if any still available. Thanks for the offer. David Carter 619 S. 16th St Nederland, Texas 77627 409-722-7259 DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob W M Shipley" Subject: RV-List: Canopy samples > --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" > > Dana, > I'm presently considering gluing the canopy on for my 9 tipper. A couple of samples would be most useful. > Rob > Rob W M Shipley > RV9A N919RV (res) Fuselage > > > Subject: RV-List: Canopy samples > If anyone wants a sample of canopy material to test, play, drill, scratch, > buff, hammer, bend, break or just drill and rivet with until you get yours > in let me know off the list. Come Tuesday all this scrap stuff gets > pitched. > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:50 AM PST US From: "Harvey Sigmon" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" Michael: As with all new devices your account is interesting as we are always looking for a better mouse trap. But in all fairness I felt that I must reply to your many complaints with the Navaid. As a background with Navaid on two RV's over the past ten years with a total of 900 hours, I am yet to experience the problems you describe. If the unit is trimmed as described in the directions it will track as any auto pilot wing leveler will. In my case with my present RV, I use a portable GPS with a smart coupler, an Altrac altitude hold and the system works very well. If trimmed before engagement very little change noted. Never had a problem with the gyro as you describe and feel it is an added back up in case of the loss of VAC. By replacing the junk turn co-coordinators that we have had to use in the past. No flame intended but felt we need more than one view. Harvey Sigmon N602RV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > Recently I was able to test a new version of Trio's single roll axis > autopilot. www.trioavionics.com . I have been running the Navaid for > 1000hrs and was pretty happy with it. It WAS the only game in town so I > really did not have any comparisons. Here are some things that have > always annoyed me about the Navaid unit. > 1. I had have the gyro rebuilt > 2. When you engaged the unit you had better hold on. There is no telling > what it might do. IT could roll into a 60 degree bank and scare the > bejesus out of you and your passenger before it gets stable and presses > on. > 3. It was stable in turbulence, but not real stable. > 4. Tracking was always off one way or another. Not by a lot, but always > off. More annoying than anything. > 5. When I keyed up the mic, again you had better hold on. It could roll > you upside down. > 6. When intercepting a course, it would overshoot, undershoot, > overshoot, undershoot until it got on course. IT would never nail it. If > you had an approach loaded, it would shoot you right through the FAF and > there was no hope of making the runway unless you got on the final > approach course miles before the FAF. > 7. Every conversation with Navaid for the past 3 years about improving > their unit resulted in me ending the conversation with a feeling that > these guys will not be in business much longer. > > So when I heard about this unit from Trio I contacted them immediately > and asked how I could get a hold of one. Jerry Hansen answered and we > hit it off right from the start. They were nearing readiness for a beta > test of their new 2 gyro unit and were looking for flyers. I had to pay > for the unit, but that was fine with me. I entered the beta program and > received the unit in the mail. Out of the box impressions were this: > 1. It is small. It weighs less than 8oz(yes 8!) > 2. The direct plug into my existing Navaid servo really was the right > plug! > 3. It's small. Less than 3" deep. > > After a recent complete panel overhaul (ripped out vacuum, installed 2nd > EI and ripped that ole last mag out, installed Dynon, Garmin 430, and > some other nifty items) I was ready for this new solid state gyro > technology. No gyros to replace, no tumbling the unit, no electric whine > to listen to. Just quiet reliable computer chips to crank away at the > data to fly me along. As a young guy, it just seems to make sense to me. > Electronic failures are almost unheard of with this type of equipment. I > have rebuilt my horizon 3 times, DG twice, and Navaid once in 1000 > hours. I mean come on! This electronic solid state gyro stuff is the > future, and the future is now. Here are some of the cool features this > unit has: > > 1. A display has has data on it. At first I did not see this as any real > benefit until I flew it. My 430 moving map, and I am sure yours too, > displays important data fields that you use and need constantly. Ground > speed, track, distance to waypoint etc are all important. What is also > important is the moving map real estate space. Those fields take up > valuable real estate on the moving map. This trio displays those fields, > and cycles through others freeing up the moving map to use up all the > screen. This is extremely valuable. In fact, in my report to trio, I > recommended then add more display lines for more data to display. > 2. Intercept mode. You can read the web site for what it does. Ill just > say it works just as advertised and is extremely accurate. Even if the > direction you need to go is behind you, it makes a real nice teardrop > course reversal and nails the course line. Obviously this thing is smart > and doing some pretty good math to handle that maneuver. Navaid would > not even drop me in the same county if tried that. > 3. Adjustable course track. Dial in .97 deg. heading, and that's what > you will fly. In either the TRK or CRS mode, if the remote servo > disconnect switch is activated, you can fly to any new course desired > and, upon releasing the switch, the autopilot will enter the CRS mode > and track the new course over the ground. SO the next time you are told > turn 10 degrees left, you can either dial in 10 degrees left, or release > the servo, turn manually 10 left, and reengage the servo. > 4. Excellent turbulence performance. It reacts so quickly, a noticeable > improvement over the Navaid. > 5. Plugs in quickly to an existing Navaid servo. I am not kidding you > when I tell you that installation took less than 3 minutes. 4 screws and > the navaid dropped right out of the panel, and 4 screws and the Trio was > in and running. I already had a remote servo disconnect I used for the > Navaid. I moved 2 moles pins to take advantage of this feature in Trios > box and that was it. In minutes I was playing with running. > 6. It accepts an "Aviation" data stream, as well as the NMEA format. But > the aviation data stream has much more info contained in it. Like > waypoint name etc. All can now be displayed on-screen, freeing up the > moving map space. This is great. > 7. Communication and service has been very very good. They have already > implemented mine, and others recommendations. Some features now > available that I have not tried are: (taken from their website) > > > Selectable Track Offset Position (TOP) > While flight testing the autopilot and flying flight plans using > published airways, we often encountered other airplanes using the same > airway. While this was usually during climb or descent (for either us > or the opposing aircraft) it was a potential safety issue. As more > aircraft are using precision GPS receivers to navigate, and many are > coupled to autopilots, such close encounters are likely to increase. > For this reason, the EZ Pilot incorporates a Track Offset Position (TOP) > feature that allows the pilot to select a track offset of up to 1 mile. > This places the aircraft away from the course centerline where much of > the traffic might be found. It is interesting to note, that if all > aircraft positioned themselves to the right of the published course > centerline (for instance), opposing traffic would always be on the > opposite side of the centerline. Top > > Speed Controlled Bank Angle > A "standard rate turn" of 3 degrees per second may result in a > comfortable bank angle at 130 knots, but as speed increases the bank > angle must be increased to achieve the standard rate of turn. In faster > aircraft this steeper bank may be uncomfortable to some pilots and, > indeed, may exceed the capability of an altitude hold system to maintain > altitude properly in the turn. To remedy this, the EZ Pilot has a means > whereby the users can adjust the maximum rate of turn to their personal > satisfaction. When shipped, the EZ Pilot is defaulted to an > "automatic" mode where the actual turn rate is automatically adjusted > based on groundspeed (as measured by your GPS). For aircraft cruising > at groundspeeds of 140 knots or greater the automatic mode will decrease > the allowable turn rate to keep the aircraft bank angle at a comfortable > maximum of approximately 15 degrees. Slower speeds will allow a > standard rate turn of 3 degrees per second. Top > > Adjustable Bank Angle Limit > If your cruise groundspeed is typically less than 150 knots, or if you > do not mind the higher bank angles at the higher groundspeeds, you may > want to select the MANUAL mode. In the MANUAL mode you can set the > maximum turn rate to a fixed limit. It is adjustable from 1 degree/sec > to as high as 3 degree/sec, in increments of 1/10th degree/sec. > Emergency Course Reversal > In an effort to increase safety and save lives, this mode may be > implemented as an emergency aid to the VFR pilot who inadvertently > enters IMC conditions and needs to execute an immediate course reversal. > It is important to realize that the autopilot must be turned on and > receiving a good GPS data signal for proper operation. You may be > tracking a flight plan but a sudden IMC encounter may not leave you with > an opportunity to reprogram your GPS to invert the flight plan. This > procedure does not require you to adjust your GPS receiver. If you are > manually flying your aircraft, this procedure will also work because the > servo does not have to be engaged to initiate this emergency procedure. > The procedure is simple and straightforward. Press and hold the MODE > button for three seconds. That's all you need to do! After three > seconds the following will occur: > 1 The servo will be energized (if off) and the wing leveler > function will engage. > 2 The upper right display line will read "TRN 180" > 3 The lower right display line will be forced to the turn > coordinator display > 4. A 175 degree right course reversal will be executed > > > (Back to Mike Stewart's comments) All in all this is a tremendous value. > I'll be sending my unit in soon for the recent changes. There is one > notable item that is absolutely terrible, and that is the screen goes > completely blank in direct sunlight. I mean you can not read one item. A > quick hand over the unit and all is fine, but they will no doubt need to > address this soon. From Jerry here is what is in the works: > > In the works: > > Turbulence penetration enhancement incorporating a full roll coupled > gyro - Expected late 1st quarter 2004 > > LCD display option - Expected 1st quarter 2004 > > Altitude hold system +/- 20 feet vertical tracking - Expected 3rd > quarter 2004 > > > (back to Mike Stewart's comments) Sam Buchanan and I are both real happy > with this thing and its performance. Sam has already spoken to his > interest in this unit in message number #116018. Electric spinning > gyro's are history and this company has a roll axis autopilot at a price > point that will put all others to shame. (Navaid are you listening? I > tried to tell you over the past 3 years you needed to look at this > stuff, and here it is!) I can't wait to see the new display and > integrated vertical guidance. One thing I don't have and wish I did was > altitude pre-select at a reasonable price. Altrak watch out, these guys > are knocking on your door. If I were your mother, and you are flying > your rv in anything other than severe clear local flights, I would make > you put one of these things in your plane. Not only will it take some > workload off, but it might save your A#@! one day. > > Mike Stewart > 6A 1100 hours > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:58 AM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > Tho, 38 kts make me wonder if you have a measurement problem with your > airspeed thingy. > > Don't rely on me, I'm pretty stupid. > > Boyd. Even though I only have 1 hour on my plane, 4 stalls showed between 36-38 knots no flap stall on both the Dynon EFIS and the AITI Mach II Air Data Computer. With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the AITI showed 34 knots on two different stalls. Needless to say, much testing is still needed. Mike Seager flew it and recommended a 65 knot indicated over the fence for landing. A question for Jim Cone.... Do you have a AOA Pro that give the digital readout? If so, what AOA do you stall at? Ross Mickey N9PT ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Ross-- Are you flying a Cub? Did you type that right?--"With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the AITI showed 34 knots on two different stalls"? I mean, with added power I can fly my -6 slow enough to stay with one of those Twin Cam funny-looking airplanes--but, 28 kts? That's why I paint the top of my wings flat black and the bottoms gloss white and just the reverse for the HS/elevators. I'm yanking your chain, Ross. do not archive On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Ross Mickey wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > >> Tho, 38 kts make me wonder if you have a measurement problem with your >> airspeed thingy. >> >> Don't rely on me, I'm pretty stupid. >> >> Boyd. > > Even though I only have 1 hour on my plane, 4 stalls showed between > 36-38 > knots no flap stall on both the Dynon EFIS and the AITI Mach II Air > Data > Computer. With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the AITI showed 34 > knots > on two different stalls. Needless to say, much testing is still > needed. > Mike Seager flew it and recommended a 65 knot indicated over the fence > for > landing. > > A question for Jim Cone.... > > Do you have a AOA Pro that give the digital readout? If so, what AOA > do you > stall at? > > Ross Mickey > N9PT > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:12 AM PST US From: dmedema@att.net Subject: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight --> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net Hello! Just want to let everyone know that there is one more RV-6A in the world! First flight was Saturday morning November 8th. The weather was calm, cool and beautiful! A great day for a first flight. Home airport (and where the pictures were taken) is Arlington, Washington. John Sturgis flew chase in his RV-8 with my daughter Michelle in the back seat taking some pictures. The pictures can be viewed at www.dynonavionics.com/doug. The first flight was for 0.6 hours and included a climb to 3000 AGL over the airport followed by 360's left and right. Than I slowed it down to 80 mph, added full flaps, and did another set of 360's. I then climbed to 3500 AGL and did one power off stall to verify the ASI stall speed. I then flew back and forth over the runway for awhile to let John form up for some pictures. Finally descended down to pattern altitude and came in for the landing. What a great feeling! As a fairly low-time pilot, <100 hours, I knew I would need some transition training. I ended up driving down to Mike Seager's place 3 different times and had four separate flights. I totaled a little over 6 hours in the factory RV-6A with Mike and felt very comfortable with my plane as a result. N276DM has been a long project. The first sheet metal work I did on the plane was in late November of 1991, so it took me almost 12 years. No work was done on the project at all for several years as there were external circumstances that precluded working on it. Plans number was 21140 so it predates the switch to the later numbering scheme. No QuickBuild here! I called it my UltraSlowBuild kit. For you RV listers: If you did a search on my last name, you would find the following post posted by Matt Dralle on November 15, 1990: "Here's the current list of subscribers on RV-LIST. If you would like individual address, write. There's 19 now - wow! Matt (RV-6A Chris Krieg) (RV-6 Jim Harriger) (RV-6 Rodney Sinclair) (RV-4 Steve Harris) (RV-4 Ed Wischmeyer) (RV-4 Matt Dralle) (RV-6A Martin R. Calsyn) (RV-6 Quent Johnson) (RV-4 Paul Stafford) (RV-6 Chris Moody) (RV-6 Deene Ogden) (RV-6 Laurens V.Ackerman) (RV-6A Doug Medema) (RV-6 Don Wentz 503-696-7185) (RV-6 Rick Gracely 301-496-5238) (RV-? John Perrin) (RV-6 Keith A. Kelleman) (Venture Bret Marquis) (RV-6 Michael Goldsmith)" Back then, 5 posts a day was a busy day! The RV list has certainly been a help through the years. It would be interesting to know how many of these 19 people finished an RV. I know of one more who needs to finish -- come on Matt, pry your fingers off your keyboard(s) long enough to get your '4 in the air! I didn't bother looking for any performance numbers, just wanted a safe flight and a safe landing. Mission accomplished! The plane: RV-6A N276DM UltraSlowBuild kit O-320-E2D rebuilt and converted to 160 hp. Sensenich fixed pitch Left mag; right LightSpeed electronic ignition Single piece top wing skins Manual flaps Electric elevator trim Van's manual aileron trim PS Engineering CD player/intercom ICOM A200 com GRT EIS 4000 engine monitor Garmin GTX327 transponder Dynon Avionics EFIS-D10 ( 8>} ) Whelan strobes Day/night VFR equipped Empty weight is 1026 w/o paint I logged my time through the first 2200 hours or so and then got tired of it. I believe I have 2500+ hours in it, but none of that matters anymore. As you can see from the pictures, I still have a lot of work to do on the plane, but right now, I just want to go flying! For all of you listers out there who are thinking about building, just remember: You can't finish if you don't start. These are great airplanes, I'm looking forward to a lot of fun ahead! Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM FLYING!! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:33 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Keep in mind we are talking IAS here, with all the various errors that indicated airspeeds have. There may be large errors due to position error in the static system (this could easily be worth 10 - 20 kt error), errors in the ASI itself (I've seen reports of 10 kt error in some ASIs), pitot leaks, static leaks, etc. There is absolutely no point in comparing indicated airspeeds from one aircraft to another. IAS stall numbers are only relevant to the aircraft that they belong to. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ >--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > >Ross-- > >Are you flying a Cub? > >Did you type that right?--"With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the >AITI showed 34 knots on two different stalls"? I mean, with added >power I can fly my -6 slow enough to stay with one of those Twin Cam >funny-looking airplanes--but, 28 kts? That's why I paint the top of my >wings flat black and the bottoms gloss white and just the reverse for >the HS/elevators. I'm yanking your chain, Ross. > >do not archive > > >On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Ross Mickey wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" >> >>> Tho, 38 kts make me wonder if you have a measurement problem with your >>> airspeed thingy. >>> >>> Don't rely on me, I'm pretty stupid. >>> >>> Boyd. >> >> Even though I only have 1 hour on my plane, 4 stalls showed between >> 36-38 >> knots no flap stall on both the Dynon EFIS and the AITI Mach II Air >> Data >> Computer. With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the AITI showed 34 >> knots >> on two different stalls. Needless to say, much testing is still >> needed. >> Mike Seager flew it and recommended a 65 knot indicated over the fence >> for >> landing. >> >> A question for Jim Cone.... >> >> Do you have a AOA Pro that give the digital readout? If so, what AOA >> do you >> stall at? >> >> Ross Mickey > > N9PT >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:46 AM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" I was thinking that's Fiesler Storch territory! 28KT = 32mph 34KT = 39mph 38KT = 43mph Begs the question....did either of you guys by chance to a leak check on your pitot static system before you flew?? Also out of curiosity....what is the ASI showing on the top side?!? Sorry, couldn't help it. Just kidding also! Cheers, Stein. Do Not Archive ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Boyd Braem >--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > >Ross-- > >Are you flying a Cub? > >Did you type that right?--"With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the >AITI showed 34 knots on two different stalls"? I mean, with added >power I can fly my -6 slow enough to stay with one of those Twin Cam >funny-looking airplanes--but, 28 kts? That's why I paint the top of my >wings flat black and the bottoms gloss white and just the reverse for >the HS/elevators. I'm yanking your chain, Ross. > >do not archive > > >On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Ross Mickey wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" >> >>> Tho, 38 kts make me wonder if you have a measurement problem with your >>> airspeed thingy. >>> >>> Don't rely on me, I'm pretty stupid. >>> >>> Boyd. >> >> Even though I only have 1 hour on my plane, 4 stalls showed between >> 36-38 >> knots no flap stall on both the Dynon EFIS and the AITI Mach II Air >> Data >> Computer. With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the AITI showed 34 >> knots >> on two different stalls. Needless to say, much testing is still >> needed. >> Mike Seager flew it and recommended a 65 knot indicated over the fence >> for >> landing. >> >> A question for Jim Cone.... >> >> Do you have a AOA Pro that give the digital readout? If so, what AOA >> do you >> stall at? >> >> Ross Mickey >> N9PT >> >> >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _-> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> > >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:39 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan dmedema@att.net wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net > > Hello! > > Just want to let everyone know that there is one more > RV-6A in the world! First flight was Saturday morning > November 8th. The weather was calm, cool and beautiful! > A great day for a first flight. Home airport (and where > the pictures were taken) is Arlington, Washington. Waydda go, Doug! *Now* I know why Gloria said "Doug's not in the office right now" when I called Dynon last week.......... :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:36 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Happy Birthday Marines From: --> RV-List message posted by: Happy Birthday Brothers! Semper Fi Eric Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:08 PM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > Are you flying a Cub? > > Did you type that right?--"With flaps the Dynon showed 28 knots and the > AITI showed 34 knots on two different stalls"? I mean, with added > power I can fly my -6 slow enough to stay with one of those Twin Cam > funny-looking airplanes--but, 28 kts? That's why I paint the top of my > wings flat black and the bottoms gloss white and just the reverse for > the HS/elevators. I'm yanking your chain, Ross. > >> Boyd. Like I said, with one hour, the numbers have to be taken very lightly. Mike was a bit surprised at the 38K no flap but the two instruments agreed on that. He felt that the AITI reading of 34K full flaps is probably more correct. He said his experience shows that there is very little difference between the no flap and full flap stall speeds. I am scheduled for a pitot/static and transponder check tomorrow. Ross It's raining.......sigh ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:41 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Doug, CONGRATULATIONS !!!! Now see if you can log 2500+ in the next couple of years. Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight > --> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net > > Hello! > > Just want to let everyone know that there is one more > RV-6A in the world! First flight was Saturday morning > November 8th. The weather was calm, cool and beautiful! > A great day for a first flight. Home airport (and where > the pictures were taken) is Arlington, Washington. > > John Sturgis flew chase in his RV-8 with my daughter > Michelle in the back seat taking some pictures. The pictures > can be viewed at www.dynonavionics.com/doug. The first flight > was for 0.6 hours and included a climb to 3000 AGL over the > airport followed by 360's left and right. Than I slowed it > down to 80 mph, added full flaps, and did another set of > 360's. I then climbed to 3500 AGL and did one power off > stall to verify the ASI stall speed. I then flew back and > forth over the runway for awhile to let John form up for > some pictures. Finally descended down to pattern altitude > and came in for the landing. What a great feeling! > > As a fairly low-time pilot, <100 hours, I knew I would need > some transition training. I ended up driving down to Mike > Seager's place 3 different times and had four separate flights. > I totaled a little over 6 hours in the factory RV-6A with > Mike and felt very comfortable with my plane as a result. > > N276DM has been a long project. The first sheet metal work > I did on the plane was in late November of 1991, so it took > me almost 12 years. No work was done on the project at all > for several years as there were external circumstances that > precluded working on it. Plans number was 21140 so it > predates the switch to the later numbering scheme. No > QuickBuild here! I called it my UltraSlowBuild kit. > > For you RV listers: If you did a search on my last name, > you would find the following post posted by Matt Dralle on > November 15, 1990: > > "Here's the current list of subscribers on RV-LIST. If you > would like individual address, write. > > There's 19 now - wow! Matt > > (RV-6A Chris Krieg) > (RV-6 Jim Harriger) > (RV-6 Rodney Sinclair) > (RV-4 Steve Harris) > (RV-4 Ed Wischmeyer) > (RV-4 Matt Dralle) > (RV-6A Martin R. Calsyn) > (RV-6 Quent Johnson) > (RV-4 Paul Stafford) > (RV-6 Chris Moody) > (RV-6 Deene Ogden) > (RV-6 Laurens V.Ackerman) > (RV-6A Doug Medema) > (RV-6 Don Wentz 503-696-7185) > (RV-6 Rick Gracely 301-496-5238) > (RV-? John Perrin) > (RV-6 Keith A. Kelleman) > (Venture Bret Marquis) > (RV-6 Michael Goldsmith)" > > Back then, 5 posts a day was a busy day! The RV list has > certainly been a help through the years. It would be > interesting to know how many of these 19 people finished > an RV. I know of one more who needs to finish -- come > on Matt, pry your fingers off your keyboard(s) long enough > to get your '4 in the air! > > I didn't bother looking for any performance numbers, just > wanted a safe flight and a safe landing. > > Mission accomplished! > > The plane: > RV-6A N276DM UltraSlowBuild kit > O-320-E2D rebuilt and converted to 160 hp. > Sensenich fixed pitch > Left mag; right LightSpeed electronic ignition > Single piece top wing skins > Manual flaps > Electric elevator trim > Van's manual aileron trim > PS Engineering CD player/intercom > ICOM A200 com > GRT EIS 4000 engine monitor > Garmin GTX327 transponder > Dynon Avionics EFIS-D10 ( 8>} ) > Whelan strobes > Day/night VFR equipped > Empty weight is 1026 w/o paint > > I logged my time through the first 2200 hours or so and > then got tired of it. I believe I have 2500+ hours in it, but > none of that matters anymore. As you can see from the pictures, > I still have a lot of work to do on the plane, but right now, > I just want to go flying! > > For all of you listers out there who are thinking about building, > just remember: You can't finish if you don't start. These > are great airplanes, I'm looking forward to a lot of fun ahead! > > Doug Medema > RV-6A N276DM FLYING!! > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:18 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RV-List: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" I would appreciate hearing from anyone using the SafetyCell adapter for talking on a cell phone through your intercom/headset in the airplane. Specifically, would you recommend the standard or the amplified version? Also, they said you can plug the adapter into a tape recorder and record your intercom output in flight. Has anyone tried doing this with a video camcorder to see if this works. When I asked they said they had never heard of anyone actually doing this but thought that it would probably work OK. For anyone interested their web site is www.pilotsupport.com. Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:53 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" >I was thinking that's Fiesler Storch territory! >28KT = 32mph >34KT = 39mph >38KT = 43mph More like a Westland Lysander! Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:24 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: F-4 Phantom II (J- model) From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Damn--we flew the F-4 Phantom II (F-4J?)--I get confused because we also flew the TA4-J Skyhawk as an adversary aircraft for air-to-air combat maneuvering training--the young guys would get really ticked off when we smoked their F-4 with a lowly-little A-4 attack airplane (but our Chief stripped the Skyhawks down of every unecessary nut and bolt)--there was one flight when the "target'" F-4 pulled power back to min and just hung on the edge of his stall and I was about 100' below him in the A-4 (which has a lower stall speed---but a better canopy--delta wing and Heineman's Hot Rod) waiting for him to come crashing down in front of me so I could smoke him with guns--guns are good--anyway, the other guy was gooder than I thought and milked that sucker along slower than I've ever seen--he had every slow speed device that I could think of out--after about 20' we called it off and went to O'Club to get drunk--I think we got down to 90 kts (should be 120 kts) for the Phantom but I really wasn't looking at the instruments--- you only look at the gyros an stuff when you have nothing better to do--you fly by feeling the stick--the F-4 should have fallen down like a sick angel--what do I know--I'm old and tired and just about everything in my body hurts. do not archive or even read this crap "Big Ugly?"--turn an F14 into a 90 deg angle of bank and see what it looks like--a flying tennis court--it's embarrassing--they made the plane that big to carry all those Phoenix missiles to protect the carrier with stand-off range. Love to you all, Boyd do not archive On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 05:33 PM, Tom Gummo wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" > > Boyd, > > The F-4G's, Wild Weasel version, got smokeless J-79 engines in the > early > 80's. > More thrust too. > Big Ugly became hard to see. > > Tom "GummiBear" Gummo > Wild Weasel #1753 > > http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html > > Apple Valley, CA > Harmon Rocket-II > > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boyd Braem" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Salute to our Mil Aviators (OT) > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem >> >> Mike-- >> >> You flew a Thunderjet?/Thunderstreak?--damn--good show--a J-65, even >> (if memory serves). >> >> Stupid F-4 J-79s put out so much smoke they could see you about 1/2 hr >> before they could see the 'plane. >> >> do not archive >> On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 08:25 AM, Mike Plecenik wrote: >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Plecenik" >>> >>> Brian - Your post is very much appreciated by this F-86, F-84F, >>> F-4B/C/D/E >>> driver. Folks like you are helping to get the taste of the 60's out >>> of >>> my >>> mouth. - Mike >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brian Denk" >>> To: >>> Subject: RV-List: Salute to our Mil Aviators (OT) >>> >>> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >>>> >>>> Listers, >>>> >>>> I had a most interesting experience Friday morning that I thought >>>> I'd >>> share. >>>> (NOT specifically RV related, so delete now if not interested.) >>>> >>>> I had the morning free from work, husband and father chores. Time >>>> to >>> RVate! >>>> I went to a local breakfast spot for a plate of pancakes and eggs. >>>> I >>> was >>>> wearing my flightsuit....the usual green nomex with various patches: >>> wings, >>>> "RV8 Total Performance", "Young Eagles flight leader", etc. While >>> enjoying >>>> my breakfast, the waitress stopped by to top off my java mug, held >>>> up >>>> my >>>> ticket and said, "don't worry about it...it's been paid for." >>>> "Uh...OK...by who, and why?" I asked. She just grinned and shrugged >>>> her >>>> shoulders. >>>> >>>> So, I looked around, saw nobody looking my way; just the usual folks >>>> lost >>> in >>>> conversation, pondering the days work ahead and probably wishing >>>> they >>> owned >>>> an RV!! OK, maybe not. But if they only knew... >>>> >>>> So, I finished up, left a hefty tip and headed off to go play with >>>> some >>> low >>>> level puffies that we seldom get around here. (For we New Mexicans, >>>> cloud >>>> slalloming is a rare treat...unless you want to climb up to the >>>> flight >>>> levels to find them.) >>>> >>>> It then dawned on me that there must have been someone in the cafe >>>> who >>>> thought I was military and just wanted to say THANKS for being >>>> there. >>>> The >>>> waitress did mention that the local air guard guys often stop by en >>>> masse >>>> for pre-mission munchies. I think she relayed to another customer >>>> that I >>>> was one of them. So, I started feeling awkward, even ashamed, but >>>> honored >>>> at the gesture given freely to a mis-identified protector of our >>>> nation's >>>> freedoms. >>>> >>>> To those who DO put their lives on the line to patrol our skies and >>>> knock >>>> down the bad guys before they can inflict harm on our families and >>>> homes, >>> I >>>> say THANK YOU....Boyd, Danny, Denis, Stu, Scott, and all the other >>> wonderful >>>> RV'ers with JP4 still flowing in their veins....a big salute from >>>> me >>>> to >>>> you. >>>> >>>> Oh, and feel free to stop by AEG if you come through Albuquerque. >>> Breakfast >>>> is on me. :) >>>> >>>> Brian Denk >>>> RV8 N94BD >>>> RV10 40051 >>>> >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. >>>> https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _-> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:27 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" Congratulations Doug! What a long haul... I was up flying around on Saturday too. I'd would have stopped by if I had any idea that Saturday was going to be the day! You (and I) are on different ends of the building spectrum from John... It took him like what, about four months to build his RV-8? :-) Have fun, hope the weather gives you a break. It's supposed to rain for the next couple of weeks. Dave RV6 Slooow build ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:37 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Pat: I bought an adapter ... don't remember who it is made by that plugs into my cell phone and then into my Lightspeed headset. The volume is a problem. It works great when on the ground idling but in the air the phone does not have enough volume to be heard over the plane very well. Any amplication I think you would want. Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 160 hrs ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I had the "amplified version and it worked well. I did wish it was "amplified" more. I wondered if it was more a gimmic than anything. But even in the loud rv, a conference call from Tampa to Atlanta at 6k' can be done. Course I don't know anyone specifically who has since doing so would be a violation of current FCC reg's :) Mike Stewart Sold mine and got the Lightspeed 30 3G's with cell interface built in. Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Hatch Subject: RV-List: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" I would appreciate hearing from anyone using the SafetyCell adapter for talking on a cell phone through your intercom/headset in the airplane. Specifically, would you recommend the standard or the amplified version? Also, they said you can plug the adapter into a tape recorder and record your intercom output in flight. Has anyone tried doing this with a video camcorder to see if this works. When I asked they said they had never heard of anyone actually doing this but thought that it would probably work OK. For anyone interested their web site is www.pilotsupport.com. Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:59 PM PST US From: "Ed Perry" "Rv-List@Matronics.Com" Subject: RV-List: heated pitot tube on eBay --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" Here is the link to a 24volt heated pitot tube for sale on eBay. If you can live with out heat and just use the pitot head you can save about $200. This was listed for $9.00 today when I check with no bids. Good Luck, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2441185678&category26439 Ed Perry ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:19 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Henry, While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an email from you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you remember that? Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span ailerons (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to try "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". Any suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Elsa & Henry Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > >I was thinking that's Fiesler Storch territory! > > >28KT = 32mph > >34KT = 39mph > >38KT = 43mph > > More like a Westland Lysander! > > Henry Hore > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:20 PM PST US From: "DICK PITTENGER" Subject: RV-List: Pilot Operating Handbook Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:50:14 -0500 --> RV-List message posted by: "DICK PITTENGER" Some time ago I received a neat P.O.H. for an RV-6A from someone on this list, but somehow it got lost in the bowels of this computer. Does someone have a copy that you can e-mail me? My project is almost finished and this handbook with all the stats and procedures would sure be helpful. Thanks Dick Pittenger pittenger32@msn.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:28 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Round oil door latch (was Re: hartwell latch) From: czechsix@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com Dave, I got one of these for my oil door and think it looks and works great. I can't remember if it has a P/N on it but the one I have is made by the Camloc company, not Hartwell like the rectangular latches (and yes, I do know what you're talking about and am not confusing it with the product we normally call "camlocs" used to attach cowls and the like). It just looks like a round button, probably about 1" in diameter, and you push it in to release the latch and open the oil door. If I recall correctly I saw it in a catalog somewhere for an outrageous price so I got mine from Air Salvage of Dallas for something like $15. Would do the same if I had to do it over... BTW, if you install this in your oil door, you'll have to add a couple stiffeners to the door...Van's design is flexible and made to be held down at each corner as shown in the plans. On my oil door I took a couple pieces of lightweight angle (I think it was .025") and fluted the heck out of them to get them to match the curvature of the oil door. Then I riveted them to the door with flush rivets countersunk into the fiberglass. They extend from the door hinge all the way down to the lower edge of the door on each side of the latch. There's also a small strip of stainless steel riveted to the cowl lip where the latch makes contact (the fiberglass edge isn't robust enough to handle the stress that the latch places on it). Some high-build surfacing primer and quick sanding job to kill the pinholes and cover the rivet heads, and it looks sweet. Works great. Way cool. P.S. -- to give credit where it's due, the first RV I saw this latch used on was Don Christianson's in Dallas. I took a few pics of it and copied it shamelessly. --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing...would be flying by now if not for all the deviations from the plans... From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: hartwell latch --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" I'm looking for a Hartwell latch that has the round push lever instead of the rectangular spring loaded one seen in ACS. There is a part number on this broken one that I have of H601S-100-C356. Anyone know of a source for this? Dave Ford RV6 finishing ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:48 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: RV-List: Flap rod length --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point For 6 or 6As with electric flaps: Drawing 42 shows the length of the flap rod as 3 1/2 inches for the manual flaps. The electic flap instructions don't specify the length. With the torque tube being relocated, it seems that the length of the rods might need to change. What length have you used for these? Jeff Point Milwaukee WI RV-6 finishing ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:04 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Chuck, The process I involves the use of a reasonably long block of wood (to avoid denting the control surface edge) and a hammer. It was suggested that light taps with the hammer served to produce noticeable changes. Read that to say; Go easy on the offending control surface,.... it didn't mean to do it, honest it didn't! ...(8-} Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Henry, > > While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an email from > you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the > "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you remember that? > Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span ailerons > (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having > previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to try > "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". Any > suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > Chuck ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:30 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" I'm not seeing a turn coordinator or a slip/skid ball on the EZ Pilot -- many of us have Navaids installed for this function as well. Do they have any plan to add those functions? Slip/skid ball is not a biggie, one of those separate ones could be added, but the TC is a bit tougher to replace. It's too bad when a company such as Navaid, who used to own a market niche, doesn't adapt with the market and technology. My Navaid is one of the few things in my airplane that hasn't needed some attention, but the features of some of these newer units are very appealing. I know of another vendor who will enter this market during 2004 with a 2-axis autopilot that DOES have a turn coordinator as well as a slip/skid ball. Guess my Navaid is getting replaced one way or the other. :-) Randy Lervold RV-8, 360 hrs www.rv-8.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > Recently I was able to test a new version of Trio's single roll axis > autopilot. www.trioavionics.com . I have been running the Navaid for > 1000hrs and was pretty happy with it. It WAS the only game in town so I > really did not have any comparisons. Here are some things that have > always annoyed me about the Navaid unit. > 1. I had have the gyro rebuilt > 2. When you engaged the unit you had better hold on. There is no telling > what it might do. IT could roll into a 60 degree bank and scare the > bejesus out of you and your passenger before it gets stable and presses > on. > 3. It was stable in turbulence, but not real stable. > 4. Tracking was always off one way or another. Not by a lot, but always > off. More annoying than anything. > 5. When I keyed up the mic, again you had better hold on. It could roll > you upside down. > 6. When intercepting a course, it would overshoot, undershoot, > overshoot, undershoot until it got on course. IT would never nail it. If > you had an approach loaded, it would shoot you right through the FAF and > there was no hope of making the runway unless you got on the final > approach course miles before the FAF. > 7. Every conversation with Navaid for the past 3 years about improving > their unit resulted in me ending the conversation with a feeling that > these guys will not be in business much longer. > > So when I heard about this unit from Trio I contacted them immediately > and asked how I could get a hold of one. Jerry Hansen answered and we > hit it off right from the start. They were nearing readiness for a beta > test of their new 2 gyro unit and were looking for flyers. I had to pay > for the unit, but that was fine with me. I entered the beta program and > received the unit in the mail. Out of the box impressions were this: > 1. It is small. It weighs less than 8oz(yes 8!) > 2. The direct plug into my existing Navaid servo really was the right > plug! > 3. It's small. Less than 3" deep. > > After a recent complete panel overhaul (ripped out vacuum, installed 2nd > EI and ripped that ole last mag out, installed Dynon, Garmin 430, and > some other nifty items) I was ready for this new solid state gyro > technology. No gyros to replace, no tumbling the unit, no electric whine > to listen to. Just quiet reliable computer chips to crank away at the > data to fly me along. As a young guy, it just seems to make sense to me. > Electronic failures are almost unheard of with this type of equipment. I > have rebuilt my horizon 3 times, DG twice, and Navaid once in 1000 > hours. I mean come on! This electronic solid state gyro stuff is the > future, and the future is now. Here are some of the cool features this > unit has: > > 1. A display has has data on it. At first I did not see this as any real > benefit until I flew it. My 430 moving map, and I am sure yours too, > displays important data fields that you use and need constantly. Ground > speed, track, distance to waypoint etc are all important. What is also > important is the moving map real estate space. Those fields take up > valuable real estate on the moving map. This trio displays those fields, > and cycles through others freeing up the moving map to use up all the > screen. This is extremely valuable. In fact, in my report to trio, I > recommended then add more display lines for more data to display. > 2. Intercept mode. You can read the web site for what it does. Ill just > say it works just as advertised and is extremely accurate. Even if the > direction you need to go is behind you, it makes a real nice teardrop > course reversal and nails the course line. Obviously this thing is smart > and doing some pretty good math to handle that maneuver. Navaid would > not even drop me in the same county if tried that. > 3. Adjustable course track. Dial in .97 deg. heading, and that's what > you will fly. In either the TRK or CRS mode, if the remote servo > disconnect switch is activated, you can fly to any new course desired > and, upon releasing the switch, the autopilot will enter the CRS mode > and track the new course over the ground. SO the next time you are told > turn 10 degrees left, you can either dial in 10 degrees left, or release > the servo, turn manually 10 left, and reengage the servo. > 4. Excellent turbulence performance. It reacts so quickly, a noticeable > improvement over the Navaid. > 5. Plugs in quickly to an existing Navaid servo. I am not kidding you > when I tell you that installation took less than 3 minutes. 4 screws and > the navaid dropped right out of the panel, and 4 screws and the Trio was > in and running. I already had a remote servo disconnect I used for the > Navaid. I moved 2 moles pins to take advantage of this feature in Trios > box and that was it. In minutes I was playing with running. > 6. It accepts an "Aviation" data stream, as well as the NMEA format. But > the aviation data stream has much more info contained in it. Like > waypoint name etc. All can now be displayed on-screen, freeing up the > moving map space. This is great. > 7. Communication and service has been very very good. They have already > implemented mine, and others recommendations. Some features now > available that I have not tried are: (taken from their website) > > > Selectable Track Offset Position (TOP) > While flight testing the autopilot and flying flight plans using > published airways, we often encountered other airplanes using the same > airway. While this was usually during climb or descent (for either us > or the opposing aircraft) it was a potential safety issue. As more > aircraft are using precision GPS receivers to navigate, and many are > coupled to autopilots, such close encounters are likely to increase. > For this reason, the EZ Pilot incorporates a Track Offset Position (TOP) > feature that allows the pilot to select a track offset of up to 1 mile. > This places the aircraft away from the course centerline where much of > the traffic might be found. It is interesting to note, that if all > aircraft positioned themselves to the right of the published course > centerline (for instance), opposing traffic would always be on the > opposite side of the centerline. Top > > Speed Controlled Bank Angle > A "standard rate turn" of 3 degrees per second may result in a > comfortable bank angle at 130 knots, but as speed increases the bank > angle must be increased to achieve the standard rate of turn. In faster > aircraft this steeper bank may be uncomfortable to some pilots and, > indeed, may exceed the capability of an altitude hold system to maintain > altitude properly in the turn. To remedy this, the EZ Pilot has a means > whereby the users can adjust the maximum rate of turn to their personal > satisfaction. When shipped, the EZ Pilot is defaulted to an > "automatic" mode where the actual turn rate is automatically adjusted > based on groundspeed (as measured by your GPS). For aircraft cruising > at groundspeeds of 140 knots or greater the automatic mode will decrease > the allowable turn rate to keep the aircraft bank angle at a comfortable > maximum of approximately 15 degrees. Slower speeds will allow a > standard rate turn of 3 degrees per second. Top > > Adjustable Bank Angle Limit > If your cruise groundspeed is typically less than 150 knots, or if you > do not mind the higher bank angles at the higher groundspeeds, you may > want to select the MANUAL mode. In the MANUAL mode you can set the > maximum turn rate to a fixed limit. It is adjustable from 1 degree/sec > to as high as 3 degree/sec, in increments of 1/10th degree/sec. > Emergency Course Reversal > In an effort to increase safety and save lives, this mode may be > implemented as an emergency aid to the VFR pilot who inadvertently > enters IMC conditions and needs to execute an immediate course reversal. > It is important to realize that the autopilot must be turned on and > receiving a good GPS data signal for proper operation. You may be > tracking a flight plan but a sudden IMC encounter may not leave you with > an opportunity to reprogram your GPS to invert the flight plan. This > procedure does not require you to adjust your GPS receiver. If you are > manually flying your aircraft, this procedure will also work because the > servo does not have to be engaged to initiate this emergency procedure. > The procedure is simple and straightforward. Press and hold the MODE > button for three seconds. That's all you need to do! After three > seconds the following will occur: > 1 The servo will be energized (if off) and the wing leveler > function will engage. > 2 The upper right display line will read "TRN 180" > 3 The lower right display line will be forced to the turn > coordinator display > 4. A 175 degree right course reversal will be executed > > > (Back to Mike Stewart's comments) All in all this is a tremendous value. > I'll be sending my unit in soon for the recent changes. There is one > notable item that is absolutely terrible, and that is the screen goes > completely blank in direct sunlight. I mean you can not read one item. A > quick hand over the unit and all is fine, but they will no doubt need to > address this soon. From Jerry here is what is in the works: > > In the works: > > Turbulence penetration enhancement incorporating a full roll coupled > gyro - Expected late 1st quarter 2004 > > LCD display option - Expected 1st quarter 2004 > > Altitude hold system +/- 20 feet vertical tracking - Expected 3rd > quarter 2004 > > > (back to Mike Stewart's comments) Sam Buchanan and I are both real happy > with this thing and its performance. Sam has already spoken to his > interest in this unit in message number #116018. Electric spinning > gyro's are history and this company has a roll axis autopilot at a price > point that will put all others to shame. (Navaid are you listening? I > tried to tell you over the past 3 years you needed to look at this > stuff, and here it is!) I can't wait to see the new display and > integrated vertical guidance. One thing I don't have and wish I did was > altitude pre-select at a reasonable price. Altrak watch out, these guys > are knocking on your door. If I were your mother, and you are flying > your rv in anything other than severe clear local flights, I would make > you put one of these things in your plane. Not only will it take some > workload off, but it might save your A#@! one day. > > Mike Stewart > 6A 1100 hours > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Chuck-- If it is just the aileron--remember to SQUEEZE LIGHTLY--ie. close the radius of the trailing edge of the light wing's aileron (and flap) with a pit bull or an Old English Mastiff. You can "inflate" the the heavy side by placing a 2x4 along the back edge of the aileron/flap and tapping gently with a big fucking hammer--the difference is not really noticeable to the naked (Jeez, I love that word!) eye but very apparent in flight--you might need to experiment a little to get the right combination--I mean, I've been banging and squeezing my ailerons/flaps (is that the right word?) since 1998--even more since I got divorced. Boyd. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 03:47 PM, C. Rabaut wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Henry, > > While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an > email from > you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the > "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you remember > that? > Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span > ailerons > (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having > previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to try > "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". Any > suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly > appreciated. > Thanks, > > Chuck > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elsa & Henry > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > >> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" >> >>> I was thinking that's Fiesler Storch territory! >> >>> 28KT = 32mph >>> 34KT = 39mph >>> 38KT = 43mph >> >> More like a Westland Lysander! >> >> Henry Hore >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Pilot Operating Handbook From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Dick-- I have a very inclusive one on my old computer--let me see if I can start it up and get it talk to me. Be careful of your bowels, you're never quite sure what they can do. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:50 PM, DICK PITTENGER wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "DICK PITTENGER" > > Some time ago I received a neat P.O.H. for an RV-6A from someone on > this list, but somehow it got lost in the bowels of this computer. > > Does someone have a copy that you can e-mail me? My project is almost > finished and this handbook with all the stats and procedures would > sure be helpful. > > Thanks > > Dick Pittenger > pittenger32@msn.com > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:35 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: N9PT First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Ross, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: rmickey@ix.netcom.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: N9PT First Flight >Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:56:40 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >--> RV-List message posted by: rmickey@ix.netcom.com > >N9PT flew for the first time today. 9 years to the day of when I picked my >emp kit up from Vans. > >One hour of joy and uneventful flying. No heavy wing, aileron in trim, and >no trim tab needed on the rudder. All engine parameters good. Indicated >airspeed at 45 degrees F, 2,000 feet, 24" manifold pressure and 2400 rpm's >was 168 knots. No flap stall speed was 38 knots. > >Only squawk,so far, the GRT engine monitor goes wierd when I transmit on >Comm 2 which is my wingtip antenna. > >Keep building. > >Thanks again, > >Ross >N9PT...Flying!!!!! > > Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:56 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Jim, The technique you describe is for compressing the lightside aileron (yes/no)? I was hoping to inflate the heavy aileron, if that's possible. Hey, how's things in the Islands? Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Jewell Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" > > Hi Chuck, > > The process I involves the use of a reasonably long block of wood (to avoid > denting the control surface edge) and a hammer. It was suggested that light > taps with the hammer served to produce noticeable changes. Read that to say; > Go easy on the offending control surface,.... it didn't mean to do it, > honest it didn't! ...(8-} > > > Jim in Kelowna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. Rabaut" > To: > Subject: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > > Henry, > > > > While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an email > from > > you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the > > "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you remember > that? > > Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span ailerons > > (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having > > previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to try > > "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". Any > > suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:18 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Pilot Operating Handbook --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "DICK PITTENGER" > >Some time ago I received a neat P.O.H. for an RV-6A from someone on >this list, but somehow it got lost in the bowels of this computer. > >Does someone have a copy that you can e-mail me? My project is >almost finished and this handbook with all the stats and procedures >would sure be helpful. > >Thanks > >Dick Pittenger Dick, The RV Links section of my web site has several POHs listed. Try: http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/phplinks/index.php?&PID=54 Anyone who has a POH posted that is not listed on my site, please let me know and I'll add it to the list. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:24 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Doug, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!!!!!!!!!!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A p.s. You'll love your RV more each time you fly her ! >From: dmedema@att.net >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: WAHOOO! N276DM Takes Flight >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:05:40 +0000 > >--> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net > >Hello! > >Just want to let everyone know that there is one more >RV-6A in the world! First flight was Saturday morning >November 8th. The weather was calm, cool and beautiful! >A great day for a first flight. Home airport (and where >the pictures were taken) is Arlington, Washington. > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:23 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Boyd, Thanks for the explanation... "You can "inflate" the heavy > side by placing a 2x4 along the back edge of the aileron/flap and > tapping gently with a big fucking hammer--" Now I understand the pounding with a hammer technique to "inflate". BTW.... You better go easy on squeezing your flaps/ailerons, I hear if you do that tooo much, it can cause blindness & hair on your palms. : ) Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Boyd Braem Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > > Chuck-- > > If it is just the aileron--remember to SQUEEZE LIGHTLY--ie. close the > radius of the trailing edge of the light wing's aileron (and flap) with > a pit bull or an Old English Mastiff. You can "inflate" the the heavy > side by placing a 2x4 along the back edge of the aileron/flap and > tapping gently with a big fucking hammer--the difference is not really > noticeable to the naked (Jeez, I love that word!) eye but very apparent > in flight--you might need to experiment a little to get the right > combination--I mean, I've been banging and squeezing my ailerons/flaps > (is that the right word?) since 1998--even more since I got divorced. > > Boyd. > > > On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 03:47 PM, C. Rabaut wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > > Henry, > > > > While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an > > email from > > you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the > > "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you remember > > that? > > Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span > > ailerons > > (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having > > previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to try > > "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". Any > > suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly > > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck > > > > do not archive > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Elsa & Henry > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds > > > > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > > > >> > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >> > >>> I was thinking that's Fiesler Storch territory! > >> > >>> 28KT = 32mph > >>> 34KT = 39mph > >>> 38KT = 43mph > >> > >> More like a Westland Lysander! > >> > >> Henry Hore > >> > >> > > > > > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _-> _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:23 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: RV-List: Fw: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Answer to question posed by Chuck off line to me and the "list"---HH > Hi Chuck, > Couldn't remember writing anything about "inflating" an > aileron so I searched my "Sent Items" file and found the post I sent on the > subject, copied below: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elsa & Henry" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron squeeze > > > > I'll quote from an article that Van wrote in the August '92 Rvator: > > > "----The essential info is that lateral balance can be achieved by > > decreasing the trailing edge radius of the aileron on the light wing. This > > means that if the airplane has a left rolling tendency (heavy left wing), > > decreasing the trailing edge radius on the right wing will make the right > > wing heavier and bring it into balance.The reverse is true for a right > > rolling tendency. On the flip side, increasing the radius of the trailing > > edge of the aileron on the heavy wing will bring trim into balance. > > > > It is obvious that squeezing the trailing edge will decrease the radius, > but > > how does one conveniently increase (un-squeeze) the trailing edge? There > is > > a simple but effective procedure; one which most sensitive, intelligent > > builders find distasteful. Hit it with a hammer!!! Actually, the procedure > > calls for holding a wooden block along the trailing edge and tapping it > with > > a hammer or similar heavy object. It usually doesn't require much force, > so > > no damage is done to the aileron" > > > > Unquote.------- There is a wealth of info in those old RVators and my wife > > says I have a terrific memory for what I have read. I go back to early > 1992 > > form copies made from a very old builder. > > > > Suggest that builder's groups print-out the above and disseminate it to > > their members for posterity! > > > > Cheers!!-------Henry Hore > > > I hope this helps---the bible from Van! > > Cheers!! (again)--Henry Hore > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:00 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Pat, I bought one of these and carry it in my plane. In general it works pretty well, and I've really saved myself some time by being able to make a call to a destination or whatever. I find myself not using it frequently because it's a bit of a hassle to get it out, untangle the cords, unplug my headset, plug the headset into it, then plug the phone into it. I'm probably just being lazy. I have the un-amplified version and in retrospect should have spent the extra $. Still, if I just turn my left earcup volume up it works just fine. Overall it's a good widget to have in the cockpit, but I'd rather just have a cable that plugs into the cell phone and goes directly into the plane or panel. Randy Lervold RV-8, 360 hrs www.rv-8.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RV-List: SafetyCell Cell Phone Adapter > --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" > > I would appreciate hearing from anyone using the SafetyCell adapter for talking on a cell phone through your intercom/headset in the airplane. Specifically, would you recommend the standard or the amplified version? Also, they said you can plug the adapter into a tape recorder and record your intercom output in flight. Has anyone tried doing this with a video camcorder to see if this works. When I asked they said they had never heard of anyone actually doing this but thought that it would probably work OK. For anyone interested their web site is www.pilotsupport.com. > > > Pat Hatch > RV-4 > RV-6 > RV-7 QB (Building) ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:24 PM PST US From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" It does have a turn coordinator. It's listed in the operations manual. That's the one drawback from the Trutrak line in my opinion. Ken ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Randy Lervold" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >I'm not seeing a turn coordinator or a slip/skid ball on the EZ Pilot -- >many of us have Navaids installed for this function as well. Do they have >any plan to add those functions? Slip/skid ball is not a biggie, one of >those separate ones could be added, but the TC is a bit tougher to replace. > >It's too bad when a company such as Navaid, who used to own a market niche, >doesn't adapt with the market and technology. My Navaid is one of the few >things in my airplane that hasn't needed some attention, but the features of >some of these newer units are very appealing. I know of another vendor who >will enter this market during 2004 with a 2-axis autopilot that DOES have a >turn coordinator as well as a slip/skid ball. Guess my Navaid is getting >replaced one way or the other. :-) > >Randy Lervold >RV-8, 360 hrs >www.rv-8.com > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:07 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Randy Lervold wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > I'm not seeing a turn coordinator or a slip/skid ball on the EZ Pilot -- > many of us have Navaids installed for this function as well. Do they have > any plan to add those functions? Slip/skid ball is not a biggie, one of > those separate ones could be added, but the TC is a bit tougher to replace. Randy, the EZ-Pilot includes a turn coordinator in the options you can call up on the display. It is a "bar" display similar to that on the Navaid, and only requires a couple of presses of the display button to call up either intermittently or for the duration of the flight. Since a ball is included in the Dynon display, I have not added another one to my panel. However, if I didn't have the Dynon, I would want a slip/skid ball on the panel. One of the small, simple units would be enough to make sure a really ugly turn from base to final didn't get out of hand. > It's too bad when a company such as Navaid, who used to own a market niche, > doesn't adapt with the market and technology. My Navaid is one of the few > things in my airplane that hasn't needed some attention, but the features of > some of these newer units are very appealing. I know of another vendor who > will enter this market during 2004 with a 2-axis autopilot that DOES have a > turn coordinator as well as a slip/skid ball. Guess my Navaid is getting > replaced one way or the other. :-) True. The Navaid was impressive technology for experimental aircraft for many years, but the solid-state gyro based units are undeniably a lot better. A post earlier today defended the Navaid and I certainly understand the spirit of that post since the Navaid has faithfully guided my plane all over a considerable portion of the country. But optimizing the Navaid is sorta like tuning a tube-type radio; the gain pots have to be set correctly, you have to get the trim just right, the plane has to be aligned nearly on course, you have to use the right sequence of pushing the Go-To button on the GPS, switching from leveler to tracking, wait the right number of seconds for "some capacitors to charge", and then, on a good day, the Navaid will do a fine job of tracking (and occasionally, I *still* got a hard pull on the stick as the thing tried to turn off course). In contrast, with the EZ-Pilot, all you do is call up your waypoint on the GPS, push one button and BINGO! the plane turns the correct way that is necessary to find the waypoint and is locked on course....right now! The unit automatically retrims as necessary, and there is no need to fine tune the thing as you fly the trip. Technology comes and goes; analog has gone and digital is here. Enjoy! Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com (not an employee of Trio Avionics, just a satisfied customer) ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:13 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Guys, Speaking from personal experience with several RVs now let me say that no one should start squeezing or banging on their aileron trailing edges UNTIL they have verified that the ailerons are mounted at EXACTLY at the same height. On all four of the aircraft I've been involved with troubleshooting it was an aileron bracket that was slightly off in terms of positioning it the same at both ends, and more importantly THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. Trust me, it's amazing how little height difference it takes to create a wing heavy. If you mess with what may be a perfectly good trailing edge before you get your ailerons mounted right you will be masking the real problem and the result will be you'll probably eliminate the heavy wing at one speed but not all speeds. Van's has published a well written document on this that I would advise you to read carefully... http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Heavy.pdf Randy Lervold RV-8, 360 hrs EAA Technical Counselor www.rv-8.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" > > Hi Chuck, > > The process I involves the use of a reasonably long block of wood (to avoid > denting the control surface edge) and a hammer. It was suggested that light > taps with the hammer served to produce noticeable changes. Read that to say; > Go easy on the offending control surface,.... it didn't mean to do it, > honest it didn't! ...(8-} > > > Jim in Kelowna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. Rabaut" > To: > Subject: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > > Henry, > > > > While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an email > from > > you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the > > "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you remember > that? > > Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span ailerons > > (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having > > previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to try > > "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". Any > > suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem What--? I can't read your message. Beeb do not archive for the sake of our children On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:57 PM, C. Rabaut wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Boyd, > > Thanks for the explanation... "You can "inflate" the heavy >> side by placing a 2x4 along the back edge of the aileron/flap and >> tapping gently with a big fucking hammer--" Now I understand the > pounding with a hammer technique to "inflate". > > BTW.... You better go easy on squeezing your flaps/ailerons, I hear > if you > do that tooo much, it can cause blindness & hair on your palms. : > ) > > Chuck > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Boyd Braem > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem >> >> Chuck-- >> >> If it is just the aileron--remember to SQUEEZE LIGHTLY--ie. close the >> radius of the trailing edge of the light wing's aileron (and flap) >> with >> a pit bull or an Old English Mastiff. You can "inflate" the the heavy >> side by placing a 2x4 along the back edge of the aileron/flap and >> tapping gently with a big fucking hammer--the difference is not really >> noticeable to the naked (Jeez, I love that word!) eye but very >> apparent >> in flight--you might need to experiment a little to get the right >> combination--I mean, I've been banging and squeezing my ailerons/flaps >> (is that the right word?) since 1998--even more since I got divorced. >> >> Boyd. >> >> >> On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 03:47 PM, C. Rabaut wrote: >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" >>> >>> Henry, >>> >>> While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an >>> email from >>> you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the >>> "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you >>> remember >>> that? >>> Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span >>> ailerons >>> (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having >>> previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to >>> try >>> "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". >>> Any >>> suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Elsa & Henry >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Speeds >>> >>> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" >>> >>>> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" >>>> >>>>> I was thinking that's Fiesler Storch territory! >>>> >>>>> 28KT = 32mph >>>>> 34KT = 39mph >>>>> 38KT = 43mph >>>> >>>> More like a Westland Lysander! >>>> >>>> Henry Hore >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _-> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot/Navaid From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Germs and Ladies-- Please remember that the designer of the Navaid died some years ago in an airplane accident--the people that put it together just put this analog thing together--but, it's not bad if used as intended. Please don't visit their office--you won't like it. Boyd do not archive--Oh, I've just started pounding on my aileron, again. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Sam Buchanan wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > Randy Lervold wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" >> >> I'm not seeing a turn coordinator or a slip/skid ball on the EZ Pilot >> -- >> many of us have Navaids installed for this function as well. Do they >> have >> any plan to add those functions? Slip/skid ball is not a biggie, one >> of >> those separate ones could be added, but the TC is a bit tougher to >> replace. > > Randy, the EZ-Pilot includes a turn coordinator in the options you can > call up on the display. It is a "bar" display similar to that on the > Navaid, and only requires a couple of presses of the display button to > call up either intermittently or for the duration of the flight. > > Since a ball is included in the Dynon display, I have not added another > one to my panel. However, if I didn't have the Dynon, I would want a > slip/skid ball on the panel. One of the small, simple units would be > enough to make sure a really ugly turn from base to final didn't get > out > of hand. > >> It's too bad when a company such as Navaid, who used to own a market >> niche, >> doesn't adapt with the market and technology. My Navaid is one of the >> few >> things in my airplane that hasn't needed some attention, but the >> features of >> some of these newer units are very appealing. I know of another >> vendor who >> will enter this market during 2004 with a 2-axis autopilot that DOES >> have a >> turn coordinator as well as a slip/skid ball. Guess my Navaid is >> getting >> replaced one way or the other. :-) > > True. The Navaid was impressive technology for experimental aircraft > for > many years, but the solid-state gyro based units are undeniably a lot > better. A post earlier today defended the Navaid and I certainly > understand the spirit of that post since the Navaid has faithfully > guided my plane all over a considerable portion of the country. > > But optimizing the Navaid is sorta like tuning a tube-type radio; the > gain pots have to be set correctly, you have to get the trim just > right, > the plane has to be aligned nearly on course, you have to use the right > sequence of pushing the Go-To button on the GPS, switching from leveler > to tracking, wait the right number of seconds for "some capacitors to > charge", and then, on a good day, the Navaid will do a fine job of > tracking (and occasionally, I *still* got a hard pull on the stick as > the thing tried to turn off course). In contrast, with the EZ-Pilot, > all > you do is call up your waypoint on the GPS, push one button and BINGO! > the plane turns the correct way that is necessary to find the waypoint > and is locked on course....right now! The unit automatically retrims as > necessary, and there is no need to fine tune the thing as you fly the > trip. > > Technology comes and goes; analog has gone and digital is here. Enjoy! > > Sam Buchanan > http://thervjournal.com (not an employee of Trio Avionics, just a > satisfied customer) > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:34 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Sam Buchanan wrote: > >>snipped>> > >True. The Navaid was impressive technology for experimental aircraft for >many years, but the solid-state gyro based units are undeniably a lot >better. A post earlier today defended the Navaid and I certainly >understand the spirit of that post since the Navaid has faithfully >guided my plane all over a considerable portion of the country. > >But optimizing the Navaid is sorta like tuning a tube-type radio; the >gain pots have to be set correctly, you have to get the trim just right, >the plane has to be aligned nearly on course, you have to use the right >sequence of pushing the Go-To button on the GPS, switching from leveler >to tracking, wait the right number of seconds for "some capacitors to >charge", and then, on a good day, the Navaid will do a fine job of >tracking (and occasionally, I *still* got a hard pull on the stick as >the thing tried to turn off course). In contrast, with the EZ-Pilot, all >you do is call up your waypoint on the GPS, push one button and BINGO! >the plane turns the correct way that is necessary to find the waypoint >and is locked on course....right now! The unit automatically retrims as >necessary, and there is no need to fine tune the thing as you fly the trip. > >Technology comes and goes; analog has gone and digital is here. Enjoy! > >Sam Buchanan >http://thervjournal.com (not an employee of Trio Avionics, just a >satisfied customer) > I have a question based on what I read on their web site. Have either of you disabled your GPS feed to the a/p to check its reaction? The web site seems to indicate that there is no backup for loss of heading info from the GPS. Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: "heavy wing" From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Randy-- Can you tell me that you can tell if ailerons are perfectly identical--what about the flaps? I'm sorry, I'm just grouchy-- do not archive On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 08:10 PM, Randy Lervold wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > Guys, > > Speaking from personal experience with several RVs now let me say that > no > one should start squeezing or banging on their aileron trailing edges > UNTIL > they have verified that the ailerons are mounted at EXACTLY at the same > height. On all four of the aircraft I've been involved with > troubleshooting > it was an aileron bracket that was slightly off in terms of > positioning it > the same at both ends, and more importantly THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. > Trust > me, it's amazing how little height difference it takes to create a wing > heavy. If you mess with what may be a perfectly good trailing edge > before > you get your ailerons mounted right you will be masking the real > problem and > the result will be you'll probably eliminate the heavy wing at one > speed but > not all speeds. > > Van's has published a well written document on this that I would > advise you > to read carefully... > http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Heavy.pdf > > Randy Lervold > RV-8, 360 hrs > EAA Technical Counselor > www.rv-8.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jewell" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" >> >> Hi Chuck, >> >> The process I involves the use of a reasonably long block of wood (to > avoid >> denting the control surface edge) and a hammer. It was suggested that > light >> taps with the hammer served to produce noticeable changes. Read that >> to > say; >> Go easy on the offending control surface,.... it didn't mean to do it, >> honest it didn't! ...(8-} >> >> >> Jim in Kelowna >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C. Rabaut" >> To: >> Subject: RV-List: was - Approach Speeds, turned into "heavy wing" >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" >>> >>> Henry, >>> >>> While searching the archives about a "heavy wing", I found an >>> email >> from >>> you mentioning not only squeezing the lightside aileron, but also the >>> "possibility of inflating the heavy wing's aileron". Do you >>> remember >> that? >>> Anywho... I changed my RV-4 into a clipped wing, with full span > ailerons >>> (no flaps) and find I once again have a heavy right wing. Having >>> previously squeezed ailerons (a little each side) I would prefer to >>> try >>> "inflation" verses deflating them more. The question is "How?". >>> Any >>> suggestions, from any knowledgeable person(s) would be greatly >> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:19 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Avionics EZ Pilot Autopilot report(long) --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Charlie & Tupper England wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > Sam Buchanan wrote: > > >>>>snipped>> >> >>True. The Navaid was impressive technology for experimental aircraft for >>many years, but the solid-state gyro based units are undeniably a lot >>better. A post earlier today defended the Navaid and I certainly >>understand the spirit of that post since the Navaid has faithfully >>guided my plane all over a considerable portion of the country. >> >>But optimizing the Navaid is sorta like tuning a tube-type radio; the >>gain pots have to be set correctly, you have to get the trim just right, >>the plane has to be aligned nearly on course, you have to use the right >>sequence of pushing the Go-To button on the GPS, switching from leveler >>to tracking, wait the right number of seconds for "some capacitors to >>charge", and then, on a good day, the Navaid will do a fine job of >>tracking (and occasionally, I *still* got a hard pull on the stick as >>the thing tried to turn off course). In contrast, with the EZ-Pilot, all >>you do is call up your waypoint on the GPS, push one button and BINGO! >>the plane turns the correct way that is necessary to find the waypoint >>and is locked on course....right now! The unit automatically retrims as >>necessary, and there is no need to fine tune the thing as you fly the trip. >> >>Technology comes and goes; analog has gone and digital is here. Enjoy! >> >>Sam Buchanan >>http://thervjournal.com (not an employee of Trio Avionics, just a >>satisfied customer) >> > > I have a question based on what I read on their web site. Have either of > you disabled your GPS feed to the a/p to check its reaction? The web > site seems to indicate that there is no backup for loss of heading info > from the GPS. Charlie, if GPS feed is lost, the EZ-Pilot (and I understand the same can be said for the DigiTrak) will revert to wing-leveler mode wherein the solid-state gyro will continue to run to keep the shiny side up. The heading will start drifting since the autopilot is no longer auto or a pilot but the gyro will still attempt to keep the wings level. I have not tried flying the EZ-Pilot with the GPS disabled through radical maneuvers or for long periods of time to see how readily it can get confused......but I will on the next flight and report back if difficulties are found! I must admit that GPS has been so reliable in my plane that I probably haven't considered the possibility of GPS failure as much as I should, and in VFR ops, it is a none issue. In the real world it is probably quite unlikely during a "routine" (?!) flight that loss of GPS data would be followed by a severe upset in IMC, but if that happened, I doubt a wing leveler is going to save our bacon. But the remote possibility of total loss of GPS data for an extended period of time is why I don't favor EFIS's that include GPS in the AHRS solution (Blue Mountain?). It would be preferable to only lose full functionality of the wing leveler to having flight instruments get flakey because they can't hear the satellites. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:34 PM PST US From: RV6AOKC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Source for getting spinner polished.... --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com Howdy... Just thought I would pass on some lessons learned on polishing my alum. sensenich spinner. First I must say the spinner from sensenich is a work of art....nothing left to do except paint or polish it...very nice.... Anyway...I always like the polished look...so I did the usual...sand...sand...buy more sand paper...sand...sand...polish...buy polish compound....buy polishing wheels....buy a new bench grinder to get more RPM....polish...cuss....well you get the idea...with over $120 invested in this I didn't get too far.....bottom line is you have to know what you are doing...and have the right equipment..... My lesson learned: send your spinner to John Frady in Oklahoma City. His number is 405-350-6908. I picked up my spinner the other day and it looked like it had been chromed....I almost cried....well almost. He will take a rough cut spinner out of the box from sensenich and polish it, the backing plate flanges, washers, and screws for $80. Dont do what I did and try to do it yourself unless you have the right equipment. His "bench grinder" looks like it weighs 2000 lbs, is bolted to the floor, and stand about 4 ft tall. He does Lear Jet type cowl inlets, and spinners for King Airs, Cycle Parts, etc...full time...he knows what he is doing. Just thought I would pass it along....wish I had found him earlier.... Keep building... Kurt in OKC RV6A...getting close... ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:34 PM PST US From: RV6AOKC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: PC680 Charger..? --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com Anyone have a favorite charger they use for their PC-680??? Thanks... Kurt in OKC Do Not Archive... ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:20 PM PST US From: "Rob W M Shipley" Subject: RV-List: Our military --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" "Subject: Re: RV-List: Salute to our Mil Aviators (OT) --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Plecenik" Brian - Your post is very much appreciated by this F-86, F-84F, F-4B/C/D/E driver. Folks like you are helping to get the taste of the 60's out of my mouth. - Mike" Mike. If you or any of our ex military friends are ever in town I'd be honored to supply the bacon and eggs to help get that 'taste' removed. (Town is San Diego / La Mesa / El Cajon. SEE or MYF) Rob Rob W M Shipley RV9A N919RV (res) Fuselage ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:00 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: PC680 Charger..? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Battery Tender Jr. Works great, relatively cheap, does the trick. http://store.azmusa.com/battenjr12vb.html $19.95 was the cheapest price I could find for it when I bought mine in March. We'll see how well the PC680 cranks my IO-360 in a few months. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: PC680 Charger..? > --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com > > Anyone have a favorite charger they use for their PC-680??? Thanks... > > Kurt in OKC > > Do Not Archive... > > ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:46 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: PC680 Charger..? --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 11/10/2003 7:48:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, RV6AOKC@aol.com writes: Anyone have a favorite charger they use for their PC-680??? During the week in the winter cold, I use a BRW Technology (1-800-426-6008) EZ-12 two stage (600mA starting then 50mA sustaining) trickle charger, sold in motorcycle shops. I have three of them and this charger kept my K100 motorcycle battery good during continuous charging for three years (with no boil off), while I was recovering from a back injury. I charges at 13.3V and seems to do a pretty fair job of keeping the battery topped off during short periods of inactivity (my plane seldom sits for too long in the generally good CA weather). -GV (RV-6A N1GV 671hrs) ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:25 PM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyd Braem" > > Can you tell me that you can tell if ailerons are perfectly > identical--what about the flaps? > I used a digital Smart Level. I started by lining up the trailing edge of the wingtip, aileron and flap on one side by stretching a string from the wingtip to the step on my 6A. Then I used the Smart Level to find the angle. On mine, it was 15.5-16.0 degrees. I then set the flap on the other side to this same value. I then ran a sting between the wingtip and the step so the string ran along the flap. On this side, I was unable to get the aileron to follow the string line. I think the wingtip is a bit higher and one of the aileron brackets is slightly off. The aileron is not twisted as it reads the same angle all along the top surface. I rigged it so the string intersected the mid point of the aileron. Using this method, the plane flies with no heavy wing and the aileron sits in the proper position in flight (as determined by Mike Seager). Ross Mickey N9PT....flying ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:47 PM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pilot Operating Handbook --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > Does someone have a copy that you can e-mail me? My project is almost finished and this handbook with all the stats and procedures would sure be helpful. > > Thanks > > Dick Pittenger > pittenger32@msn.com Dick, I have one for my 6A if you need another, let me know and I will email it to you. It is 80, 8.5" X 5 3/4" pages. Ross Mickey N9PT....Flying ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: OT-Building a RV is going to pay off (NIGERIAN) Republicans From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem That's why I never turn my transponder on. Boyd. do not archive On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 05:06 PM, C. Rabaut wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Cool Biz Boyd !!! No, the only ones that need radios are the ones > that bust > airspace restrictions. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Boyd Braem > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: OT-Building a RV is going to pay > offNIGERIAN_BODY (2.7 > points) Message body has multiple indications of Nigerian spam > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem >> >> Chuck-- >> >> I'll take half the action--I'm going to start buying/selling those >> airplane things--do they all need radios? >> >> do not archive >> On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 04:30 PM, C. Rabaut wrote: >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" >>> >>> Bob, >>> >>> Can I have your RV-6, since with all those millions you'll >>> probably be >>> buying a Lear or something? >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Bob Skinner >>> To: >>> Subject: RV-List: OT-Building a RV is going to pay offNIGERIAN_BODY >>> (2.7 >>> points) Message body has multiple indications of Nigerian spam >>> >>> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Bob Skinner >>>> >>>> RVers' >>>> >>>> I got an e-mail the other day that I thought you guys might get a >>>> kick >>>> out of. Mr. Michael Smith from South Africa is a RV 6A builder and >>>> he's >>>> going to make me rich, rich, rich! >>>> >>>> *** >>>> >>>> Greetings from South Africa, >>>> >>>> How are you and your family I hope that you are all okay? I want >>>> to >>>> ask >>>> you, If you are not capable to quietly look for a reliable and >>>> honest >>>> person who will be capable and fit to provide either an existing >>>> bank >>>> account or to set up a new Bank a/c immediately to receive this >>>> money, >>> even >>>> an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as long as you will >>>> remain >>>> honest to me till the end for this important business trusting in >>>> you >>>> and >>>> believing in God that you will never let me down either now or in >>>> future. >>>> I am a homebuilder and presently I have an RV-6A I built with my >>>> friend >>> and >>>> I am contacting you as a fellow RV enthusiast >>>> >>>> I am the Auditor in charge of international transaction in one of >>>> the >>>> biggest bank here in South Africa. During the course of our >>>> auditing, I >>>> discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1996 >>>> and >>>> since 1998 nobody has operated on this account again, after going >>>> through >>>> some old files in the records I discovered that the owner of the >>>> account >>>> died without a [Heir/WILL] hence the money is floating and if I do >>>> not >>>> remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing. The >>>> owner >>>> of this account Mr. Victor Ratnavale a British, who unfortunately >>>> lost his >>>> life in the plane crash of Swiss Air Flight Number 111 which crashed >>>> on >>> 2nd >>>> September 1998, including his wife. You shall read more news about >>>> the >>>> crash on visiting this site; >>>> http://users.aol.com/dharris498/swissair111/victims.html. >>>> >>>> No other person knows about this account or any thing concerning it, >>>> the >>>> account has no other beneficiary and my investigation proved to me >>>> as >>>> well >>>> that the account is a secret account. >>>> >>>> The total amount involve is Eighteen million Six Hundred Thousand >>>> United >>>> States Dollars only [$18,600.000.00] and we wish to transfer this >>>> money >>>> into a safe foreigners account abroad. But I don't know any >>>> foreigner, I >>> am >>>> only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be >>>> approved >>>> to a local person here, but to a foreigner who has information about >>>> the >>>> account, which I shall give to you upon your positive response. I >>>> am >>>> revealing this to you with believe in God that you will never let me >>>> down >>>> in this business, you are the first and the only person that I am >>>> contacting for this business, so please reply urgently so that I >>>> will >>>> inform you the next step to take urgently. >>>> >>>> I need your strong assurance that you will never let us down, me and >>>> a key >>>> bank official who is deeply involved with me in this business. I >>> guarantee >>>> that this transaction will be executed under a legitimate >>>> arrangement >>>> that >>>> will protect you from any breach of the law. I will destroy all >>>> documents >>>> of transaction immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to >>>> any >>>> place. I will use my position and influence to obtain all legal >>>> approvals >>>> for onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate >>>> clearance from the relevant ministries and foreign exchange >>>> departments. >>>> >>>> At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 30% of the >>>> total >>>> amount, 70% will be for us. Further details awaits your earliest >>>> reply. >>>> PLEASE, TREAT THIS PROPOSAL AS TOP SECRET. >>>> >>>> Best Regards >>>> >>>> Michael Smith. >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> >>>> Man, if this deal works out, I'll build another RV >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, something that may be of value to RVers. >>>> >>>> My airplane replacement is a new 2003 Dodge Diesel Quad cab and >>>> I'm >>>> on a >>>> couple of Dodge diesel forums. One of the guys there is selling >>>> "Magic >>>> Cloths", 2 for $12.00. They are about 14 inces square. The tag on >>>> the >>>> cloth says "The Original Euro-Shine microfiber". This cloth works >>>> very >>>> well for cleaning bugs off my truck and for cleaning windshields and >>>> mirrors. It works well dry, too. After using the cloths on my >>>> truck, I >>>> "flashed back" to when I used to clean bugs off my RV after every >>>> flight >>>> during the summer in Nebraska. I had a bunch of clean, terry cloth >>>> towels >>>> and a jug of water that I kept in the hanger and I wiped the bugs >>>> off >>> while >>>> they were fresh after every flight. I think these cloths would be >>>> ideal >>>> for this and would clean airplanes up with a lot less effort. It >>>> might be >>>> something a few of you might want to try and, if it works as well on >>>> airplanes as I think it will, pass the info onto your fellow RVers. >>>> The >>>> guy I bought from is David Miller, 516-371-9021, e-mail >>> dcmille290@aol.com. >>>> He travels in his work so is not always available. You could >>>> possibly to >>>> a search and find another source, as well. >>>> Speaking of "flash back", I use the "Dry Wash & Guard" I bought >>>> for >>>> the >>>> RV (works really well on the canopy) on my vehicles and every time I >>>> smell >>>> the stuff, I flash back to all of the times I used it on my RV. I >>>> almost >>>> get teary-eyed:) >>>> >>>> Bob Skinner >>>> >>>> Buffalo, WY (Former RV6 guy and EAA Tech Counselor" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _-> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:27 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: "heavy wing" --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > > Randy-- > > Can you tell me that you can tell if ailerons are perfectly > identical--what about the flaps? > > I'm sorry, I'm just grouchy-- > > do not archive Boyd, flaps cannot be mounted to high or low because they are located by their mouting hinge. They could be set at the wrong angle though and that should be checked as well. Randy