Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:00 AM - Re: prop governor fitting (Jim Jewell)
2. 04:10 AM - Re: Heat Muff (linn walters)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles hits a million! (Jim Bower)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: Pilot Operating Handbook (PLTDBEEZER@aol.com)
5. 07:12 AM - Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Dana Overall)
6. 07:53 AM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Dan Checkoway)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Subject: MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long) (rob ray)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (rob ray)
9. 08:37 AM - EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Knicholas2@aol.com)
10. 08:40 AM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
11. 08:40 AM - Mashing Tape Removal (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Glenn Brasch)
13. 08:48 AM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Jim Oke)
14. 09:04 AM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Jim Oke)
15. 09:26 AM - Re: Fiberglass supplies (Ron Burnett)
16. 09:46 AM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (kempthornes)
17. 09:59 AM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (Curt Hoffman)
18. 10:00 AM - windshield fit (Jeff Orear)
19. 10:04 AM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (linn walters)
20. 10:04 AM - Re: Fiberglass supplies ()
21. 10:11 AM - Re: Heat Muff (Terry Watson)
22. 11:08 AM - Re: Fiberglass supplies (HCRV6@aol.com)
23. 12:42 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (Paul Besing)
24. 12:57 PM - Re: Fiberglass supplies (Jim Jewell)
25. 01:20 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (Jim Jewell)
26. 01:31 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (kempthornes)
27. 01:33 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (kempthornes)
28. 01:43 PM - Re: windshield fit (kempthornes)
29. 02:32 PM - Re: Fiberglass supplies (linn walters)
30. 02:36 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (Curt Hoffman)
31. 03:07 PM - MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long) (Bob Hodgson)
32. 03:29 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (JNice51355@aol.com)
33. 03:56 PM - Re: hartwell latch (Lyle Peterson)
34. 04:09 PM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Joe Hine)
35. 04:10 PM - Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (Joe Hine)
36. 04:13 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape was Canopy sample for (Charlie Kuss)
37. 04:13 PM - Re: Heat Muff (Charlie Kuss)
38. 05:28 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape was Canopy sample for those who wanted them. (David Burton)
39. 06:12 PM - bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (Dan Checkoway)
40. 06:35 PM - Re: MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long) (rob ray)
41. 06:43 PM - Re: Canopy Cleaning stuff... (rob ray)
42. 07:06 PM - Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (Dana Overall)
43. 07:11 PM - Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (linn walters)
44. 07:32 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (SportAV8R@aol.com)
45. 07:35 PM - Empennage manual update Page 8-7 (Dennis and Stephanie Smith)
46. 07:56 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (Bruce Gray)
47. 08:25 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (David Burton)
48. 08:49 PM - Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (Terry Watson)
49. 09:20 PM - Updates update (Dennis and Stephanie Smith)
50. 10:13 PM - Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
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| Subject: | Re: prop governor fitting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Hobby,
Another source would be a hydraulic hose supply shop. They carry the steel
fittings you want and they are good to at least 3000 PSI. If you have a
supplier near by it will be faster and most likely the same cost or less.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: prop governor fitting
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hobby,
> These are the same fittings used for the mechanical fuel pump. The best
deal going is to get them from Wick's Aircraft. I just ordered some for
myself and another builder. the 45 degree fitting is part number 6802-6-6.
Cost is $3.12 each. Check prices elsewhere and you'll find that this is a
real deal.
> Charlie Kuss
> RV-8A working on heat and ventilation systems
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Hobby Stevens" <rayco@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >I have a Lyc O360-A1A engine, and I am looking for the special flare
fitting that goes on the propellor governor adapter onto which you attach
the steel line to the front of the crankcase. The Lycoming part number is
74070.
> >
> >This part is described as "elbow, 3/8 flared tube x 9/16-18 str. thd.,
adj 45 degrees".
> >
> >If anyone has a spare fitting that they can part with, contact me
directly.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Hobby Stevens
> >hstevens@raycocpa.com
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
smoothweasel@juno.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>
>
>Good Day to everyone!!! Today a follow RV builder was here to look at
>my project and was concerned that I did NOT have provisions to vent my
>heat muff when the heater is not in use. He seemed to think the exhaust
>needed some kind of cooling. Is there anyone out there flying that
>does not have these provisions? Thanx
>
>Joel "Weasel" Graber
>RV-4 trying to finish
>Brooksville MS
>
Take a look at a certified aircraft if you get the chance. My
experience says the cabin/windshield heat is a closed system with a
control to open the valve to the cockpit. No other vent if the heat is
not in use.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles hits a million! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Bower" <rvbuilder@hotmail.com>
Well, I'm happy to hear that. YE is one of the programs that I really enjoy
participating in (ground crew, mostly). I have almost as much fun watching
those kids anticipating their first flight as they do, and can identify with
them when they get back.
We always do what we can to get all the kids flown who show up, even little
brothers, sisters, moms & dads. You just never know what kind of a fire you
can light. One of our members told about a young girl who was sort of a
disciplinary problem. She got a YE flight, and it gave her a purpose. As I
hear it, she is planning to go to one of the flight academys (like Parks or
Embry-Riddle). One of these days I might get on an airliner and find out
the captain got his/her first airplane ride from one of us!
>From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles hits a million!
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:12:01 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > Jim Bower wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Bower" <rvbuilder@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>Great!!!! Is it true that the EAA will not be supporting a YE program
>any
> >>more? I seem to have heard they won't be pushing it any more. YE
>rallys
> >>are a big part of what my chapter (32) does each year, and it's great
> >>community relations. What's the scoop?
>
>
> From the EAA web site:
>
>"So does that mean that it's over and we stop flying Young Eagles? No.
>The program will continue into the future because you have told us how
>important it is to remain involved with young people, working together
>to build aviation's future. Young Eagles has become a part of the very
>fabric of EAA. Our mission is too significant to stop now."
>
>"The Young Eagles program will continue to provide a high-quality,
>satisfying experience for young people. In addition, your headquarters
>staff will strive to provide the tools and support our Young Eagles
>desire, as they explore all the world of aviation is able to offer them.
>Young Eagles will build aviation's next century."
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Operating Handbook |
--> RV-List message posted by: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com
here is the rest of it
> pittenger32@msn.com
>
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| Subject: | Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your address
off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing
on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
the same dumb trap.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
> various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
address
> off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
>
> Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
playing
> on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Hi Scott;
Well, my spinner to cowl isn't the best either, but after 1000 hours of trouble
free aviating, I have found cosmetics to be minor. It also makes my cowl easier
to take off, which has been nice over time. You are right though, if they are
making one, it should fit.
I would like to look at Jim Ayers RV3 again closely. He has now installed a MT
three blade electric (I believe) and it looked great at OSH. With the LOM on
an RV4 you could make your rudder to fuse fairing with a ventral ala..P-51, put
a small scoop on the belly with an A/C condensor in it, put a GEO/Metro A/c
Compressor on it and have cool air at any altitude in the summer. It would also
look even more like a P-51...just a thought. The LOM gets HP without high compression,
just high RPM and supercharging, like the M-14P, and runs autogas.
Have a good one, I'm off to do a 4 ship missing man fly-by for a friends memorial...
RR
Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
Take a close look at that cowl. They never show a spinner to cowl side
shot. Following the lines of the cowl I dont see how it can cleanly mate up
with the cowl. Just a thought.
At 12:42 PM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray
>
>Check the latest Sport Aviation article on the Glastar in CO with a 160 LOM
>up front. Sounds like LOM is doing complete firewall forwards now to compete
>and get their engines on the market. If so, the cowling on the Glastar is
>first rate.
>
>RR
>
>"Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
>
>Hi RR,
>
>I am very interested in the LOM engines as well. I wonder if the four
>cylinder would fit under the cowling on my Patrol, or am I going to need to
>fabricate some extra custom metalwork? What about cooling using the Pitts
>type nose bowl?
>
>Doc
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "rob ray"
>To:
>Subject: Re: Subject: RV-List: MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long)
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: rob ray
>>
>> Bob,
>> My Dad used to say "fuel is an incedental"...not any more. I run Autogas
>in my 0-320 powered RV4 here in the US and figured last year I saved over
>$1000. I fly alot...It's a good argument for low compression engines....Also
>I have always liked the LOM engines after seeing one in Jim Ayers RV3. They
>are low compression, run autogas, use a manual supercharger for higher MP
>and power, have magnesium cases and cost almost 40% less than a lycoming. Do
>you see many LOM's over there in GB?
>>
>> RR
>>
>>
>> Bob Hodgson wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson"
>>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> > My first fill up: 29.14 gallons, $74.63. Yikes! Thats a bunch of money!
>> >
>>
>> Sure is - but still not too bad compared to the $193.05 it would cost over
>> here! :-0
>> -Not really whining; glad it's all worthwhile. Enjoy!!
>>
>> Bob in UK
>> RV3B canopy- 'Steel Spaghetti'
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
MINERAL SPIRITS! Cheap, easy to get, biodegradeable, and doesn't attack paint,plexiglass
or your liver. I wash the belly of my RV4 with it and it's great for
cleaning parts...
RR
Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
the same dumb trap.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall"
Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
>
>
> I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
> various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
address
> off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
>
> Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
playing
> on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
>
>
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| Subject: | EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
I don't really want to start a flame war here but I want to explaine a
concern about Young Eagles and ANY other similar program. Liability. I am a
professional with my own business. My lawyer(s) have "strongly" recommended that
I
not take kids and other people I don't know well flying due to liability. My
wife is a school teacher and she can't take school kids or scouts in our car
for similar reasons. If there is ANY accident I could lose everything. My
practice, my retirement, my plane... There is too mcuh to lose with greedy
lawyers and our current tort system. Signing a waiver is worthless - any lawyer
will tell you that you can't sign away your rights - especially a minor.
You tell me that it can't happen? I can give many examples that it does. It
is a sad situation when someone is afraid to do something nice for fear of
being sued.
Please no flames. Just wanted to express a concern.
Kim Nicholas
Seattle
RV9A - got the HS mounted yesterday....
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Dan, The people who make the canopy here in Ohio said Kerosene works
fine......mild lubricate which avoids scratching and non attacking to Plexi.
Used it many times over a year and a half and absolutely no fogging
or discoloring.
Tom in Ohio (Working Cowling & Paint)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue,
including
> any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
> ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I
don't
> have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
>
> I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
> days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after
I
> was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall
into
> the same dumb trap.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> > those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to
try
> > various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
> address
> > off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
> >
> > Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > Finish kit
> > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > do not archive
> >
> > >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
> playing
> > on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
There was a discussion of this last year.
Someone said Home Depot has "Goof Off". My neighbor used it and it worked.
DON'T use MEK,or any petroleum based product on the canopy or any plexi !!
do not archive
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
If you are an EAA member with your own plane and have your own liability
insurance, EAA covers you on Young Eagle flights (or a renter with renters
insurance). FYI. Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: <Knicholas2@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
> --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
>
> I don't really want to start a flame war here but I want to explaine a
> concern about Young Eagles and ANY other similar program. Liability. I
am a
> professional with my own business. My lawyer(s) have "strongly"
recommended that I
> not take kids and other people I don't know well flying due to liability.
My
> wife is a school teacher and she can't take school kids or scouts in our
car
> for similar reasons. If there is ANY accident I could lose everything.
My
> practice, my retirement, my plane... There is too mcuh to lose with
greedy
> lawyers and our current tort system. Signing a waiver is worthless - any
lawyer
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Try a liberal and repeated coating of WD-40 to soften the stuff then use
your thumbnail to scrape gently.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue,
including
> any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
> ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I
don't
> have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
>
> I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
> days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after
I
> was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall
into
> the same dumb trap.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> > those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to
try
> > various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
> address
> > off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
> >
> > Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > Finish kit
> > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > do not archive
> >
> > >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
> playing
> > on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
(Oops, a second try after being too quick with the send button.)
Try a liberal and repeated coating of WD-40 to soften the stuff then use
your thumbnail to scrape gently. Gently applied heat from a hairdryer or a
heat gun (be careful here!) will help too.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue,
including
> any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
> ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I
don't
> have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
>
> I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
> days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after
I
> was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall
into
> the same dumb trap.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> > those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to
try
> > various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
> address
> > off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
> >
> > Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > Finish kit
> > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > do not archive
> >
> > >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
> playing
> > on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burnett" <smileyburnett@charter.net>
Whatm type of fiber glass cloth should I buy since some of it will be used
around the canopy and will be in contact with the plexiglass?
----- Original Message -----
From: <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I found the West Systems site and there are
three locations that carry their products in town (Austin)!
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Scott
>
>
> --- On Fri 11/14, Jim Jewell < jjewell@telus.net > wrote:
> From: Jim Jewell [mailto: jjewell@telus.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:17:25 -0800
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Scott,
>
> Try Googling (is that a word?!) to West System's website and seek regional
> dealers there.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
> >
> > Boat U.S sells the West System, probibly most marine stores do. In
Canada
> > there is a knock off system called the "East System." In the back of
> Popular
> > Mechanics you can get the phone number for Clark Craft marine products
in
> > Tonnawanda NY. They sell resin by the 55 gallon drum. Hope this helps.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Craig Warner RV6 still building
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
> >
> >
> > > --> R
> V-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of a "big-city" local source for high quality
> > fiberglass/filler supplies? I know Spruce has good stuff, but I would
> like
> > to find someplace local.
> > >
> > > Also, I have seen some great tip (emp, wing) tutorials on recent
> websites
> > that I can no longer find (or remember where they were). If anyone has
> some
> > good details published, I would appreciate if they might forward the
link.
> > I am done with the tail and would like to finish the tips.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
> > > RV7A Hopefully on to wings...
> > >
> > >
> > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
> > > The most personalized portal on the Web!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> !)
> /subscription
>
>
> Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
> The most personalized portal on the Web!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
I'd avoid Goof Off. I'd avoid any crap which contains secret ingredients
which may do harm. This includes 409, orange juice, rum, panther piss and
mouse milk.
Somewhere in the archives is a note about acrylic plastic (Plexiglass)
which is what the canopies are. The note is about the compatibility with
various solvents. I was unable to find it.
As I recall Cee Bailey aircraft plastics recommended mineral spirits.
Dana Overall visited a maker of canopies and reported:
"As for cleaning, they say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays,
concentrated alcohols or anything with ammonia. They say to remove "sticky
stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
The most powerful solvent known to man is okay too (water) and, given time
to work, may get the masking tape. Many solvents are more effective if
given time to work.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
Now what am I supposed to do with the gallon of panther piss I just bought?
Curt Hoffman
RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
Quick build fuselage now in basement
Piper Cherokee N5320W
1974 TR6
----- Original Message -----
From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd avoid Goof Off. I'd avoid any crap which contains secret ingredients
> which may do harm. This includes 409, orange juice, rum, panther piss and
> mouse milk.
>
> Somewhere in the archives is a note about acrylic plastic (Plexiglass)
> which is what the canopies are. The note is about the compatibility with
> various solvents. I was unable to find it.
>
> As I recall Cee Bailey aircraft plastics recommended mineral spirits.
>
> Dana Overall visited a maker of canopies and reported:
>
> "As for cleaning, they say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays,
> concentrated alcohols or anything with ammonia. They say to remove "sticky
> stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
> alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
> dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
>
> The most powerful solvent known to man is okay too (water) and, given time
> to work, may get the masking tape. Many solvents are more effective if
> given time to work.
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
List:
I am currently fitting my windscreen to my 6A slider, and am running up against
a concern regarding its fit on the sides of the fuselage, just forward of the
rollbar.
On one side, I can get it to fit very well in this area by applying very little
pressure to the plexi. On the other side, however, I am lucky to get about a
1/4 inch gap with similar pressure. This is due in part to the fact that the
plexi on this side is approximately 3/16 inch thick as opposed to 1/8 inch on
the side that fits better. The plexi is obviously easier to flex on the thinner
side.
On earlier slider plans, there is a slot cut in the forward top fuselage skin that
allows the skin to be on the outside aft of the slot, and then on the inside
forward of the slot. My newer plans, supplied with my recently delivered finish
kit, do not show this slot.
Those that have gone before......If I cut that slot, do you think it will help
the fit if the windscreen here? I can see that it will possibly help to hold
the very aft edge of the windscreen, and the skin forward of the slot may have
a chance to bow out toward the windscreen.
I don't want to make that cut unless it is necessary and would help my situation.
Anyone else have the same problem?
Thanks
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
canopy stuff
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
>any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
>ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
>have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
>
>I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
>days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
>was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
>the same dumb trap.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
Place a rag over the residue and wet with kerosene. Keep it wet, and
soon you'll be able to just wipe it off. Doesn't hurt paint or plastic.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Jim Andrews has an excellent tutorial on his website if you are interested. His
plane is immaculate.
http://rv8a.tripod.com/fiberglass.html
--- On Sat 11/15, Ron Burnett < smileyburnett@charter.net > wrote:
From: Ron Burnett [mailto: smileyburnett@charter.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burnett" <smileyburnett@charter.net>
Whatm type of fiber glass cloth should I buy since some of it will be used
around the canopy and will be in contact with the plexiglass?
----- Original Message -----
From: <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I found the West Systems site and there are
three locations that carry their products in town (Austin)!
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Scott
>
>
> --- On Fri 11/14, Jim Jewell < jjewell@telus.net > wrote:
> From: Jim Jewell [mailto: jjewell@telus.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:17:25 -0800
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Scott,
>
> Try Googling (is that a word?!) to West System's website and seek regional
> dealers there.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
> >
> > Boat U.S sells the West System, probibly most marine stores do. In
Canada
> > there is a knock off system called the "East System." In the back of
> Popular
> > Mechanics you can get the phone number for Clark Craft marine products
in
> > Tonnawanda NY. They sell resin by the 55 gallon drum. Hope this helps.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Craig Warner RV6 still building
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
> >
> >
> > > --> R
> V-List message poste
d by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of a "big-city" local source for high quality
> > fiberglass/filler supplies? I know Spruce has good stuff, but I would
> like
> > to find someplace local.
> > >
> > > Also, I have seen some great tip (emp, wing) tutorials on recent
> websites
> > that I can no longer find (or remember where they were). If anyone has
> some
> > good details published, I would appreciate if they might forward the
link.
> > I am done with the tail and would like to finish the tips.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
> > > RV7A Hopefully on to wings...
> > >
> > >
> > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
> > > The most personalized portal on the Web!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> !)
> /subscription
>
>
> Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
> The most personalized portal on the Web!
>
>
_-
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=========================================================
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I read that caution somewhere in the instructions recently. The hot air
control box that I have is designed to dump the air from the heat muff
overboard if the heat inlet to the cabin is closed, to keep air moving
through the heat muff so it doesn't melt.
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
Good Day to everyone!!! Today a follow RV builder was here to look at
my project and was concerned that I did NOT have provisions to vent my
heat muff when the heater is not in use. He seemed to think the exhaust
needed some kind of cooling. Is there anyone out there flying that
does not have these provisions? Thanx
Joel "Weasel" Graber
RV-4 trying to finish
Brooksville MS
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 11/14/03 2:47:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DrLeathers@822heal.com writes:
<< If you live on the West Coast, try Tap Plastics. >>
Just a word of caution re: Tap epoxy. I've been using their stuff on my -6
project and have been generally satisfied, but don't try thinning their epoxy
with acetone to coat the inside of Van's epoxy cowls as was suggested in a
recent RVator. The thinned Tap epoxy won't fully harden, at least it hasn't after
four months in my case. FWIW.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I've used MEK with success. I know it sounds harsh, but I couldn't see any
ill effects. I had some primer overspray on my canopy and that took it
right off.
As with anything, test on an area you won't see first.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd avoid Goof Off. I'd avoid any crap which contains secret ingredients
> which may do harm. This includes 409, orange juice, rum, panther piss and
> mouse milk.
>
> Somewhere in the archives is a note about acrylic plastic (Plexiglass)
> which is what the canopies are. The note is about the compatibility with
> various solvents. I was unable to find it.
>
> As I recall Cee Bailey aircraft plastics recommended mineral spirits.
>
> Dana Overall visited a maker of canopies and reported:
>
> "As for cleaning, they say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays,
> concentrated alcohols or anything with ammonia. They say to remove "sticky
> stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
> alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
> dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
>
> The most powerful solvent known to man is okay too (water) and, given time
> to work, may get the masking tape. Many solvents are more effective if
> given time to work.
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd avoid Goof Off. I'd avoid any crap which contains secret ingredients
> which may do harm. This includes 409, orange juice, rum, panther piss and
> mouse milk.
>
> Somewhere in the archives is a note about acrylic plastic (Plexiglass)
> which is what the canopies are. The note is about the compatibility with
> various solvents. I was unable to find it.
>
> As I recall Cee Bailey aircraft plastics recommended mineral spirits.
>
> Dana Overall visited a maker of canopies and reported:
>
> "As for cleaning, they say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays,
> concentrated alcohols or anything with ammonia. They say to remove "sticky
> stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
> alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
> dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
>
> The most powerful solvent known to man is okay too (water) and, given time
> to work, may get the masking tape. Many solvents are more effective if
> given time to work.
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
You should be able to rely on the West Systems supplier (or chosen product
name) for advice as to glass cloth etc.;
There are many types with many different weaves and coatings or not coated
to select from in accordance with applications. The supplier should know the
product, it's compatible materials, tool supplies and be able to give enough
information to help us novices get the job done right. My local area
supplier has been very helpful.
Happy sanding,(;-)
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Burnett" <smileyburnett@charter.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass supplies
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burnett" <smileyburnett@charter.net>
>
> Whatm type of fiber glass cloth should I buy since some of it will be used
> around the canopy and will be in contact with the plexiglass?
> ----- Original Message -----
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Curt,
Try this:
1 part orange juice
Two parts rum,
One part "panther piss",
A jigger of mouse milk,
Add a dash of 409 (for spirit),
Ice?, we don't need no stinkin ice
Stir 'don't shake' (potentially explosive!)
Annnnd PARTY!!! ..... If you wake up the next day....... go back to building
Jim in Kelowna ....?? I think [%)!.... Damn, I think I need some ice
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
>
> Now what am I supposed to do with the gallon of panther piss I just
bought?
>
> Curt Hoffman
> RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
> Quick build fuselage now in basement
> Piper Cherokee N5320W
> 1974 TR6
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I'd avoid Goof Off. I'd avoid any crap which contains secret
ingredients
> > which may do harm. This includes 409, orange juice, rum, panther piss
and
> > mouse milk.
> >
> > Somewhere in the archives is a note about acrylic plastic (Plexiglass)
> > which is what the canopies are. The note is about the compatibility
with
> > various solvents. I was unable to find it.
> >
> > As I recall Cee Bailey aircraft plastics recommended mineral spirits.
> >
> > Dana Overall visited a maker of canopies and reported:
> >
> > "As for cleaning, they say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays,
> > concentrated alcohols or anything with ammonia. They say to remove
"sticky
> > stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
> > alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
> > dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
> >
> > The most powerful solvent known to man is okay too (water) and, given
time
> > to work, may get the masking tape. Many solvents are more effective if
> > given time to work.
> >
> >
> > K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> > RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
> > PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 02:41 PM 11/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
>I've used MEK with success. I know it sounds harsh, but I couldn't see any
>ill effects. I had some primer overspray on my canopy and that took it
>right off.
Give it time.
>As with anything, test on an area you won't see first.
Does the test take a few years?
I am not writing from experience or even technical knowledge but from what
I have gleaned from the words of others. I wonder if a fast application
and removal might not be so harmful. However, MEK is short for methyl
ethyl ketone and acetone is a name for a near relative, ethyl ethyl ketone
which is a publicized no-no on acrylic. Maybe we should call it EEK.
Acrylic also does not get along with vinyl. Cee Bailey Plastics cautioned
that the two in proximity such as glareshield and windshield could cause
the acrylic to crack in as little as a year. Holding the two next to each
other for a few minutes proves nothing of course.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 01:01 PM 11/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
>
>Now what am I supposed to do with the gallon of panther piss I just bought?
also known as penetrating oil. (watch out for horny panthers?)
hal
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| Subject: | Re: windshield fit |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 11:59 AM 11/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
>I am currently fitting my windscreen to my 6A slider, and am running up
>against a concern regarding its fit on the sides of the fuselage, just
>forward of the rollbar.
This is one of the poorer design areas on the 6A. The aluminum goes under
and over the plexi and then the windshield top skirt that attaches to the
roll bar meets this area somehow. I have aluminum tape over the junction
now and figure on covering the area with fiberglass RSN.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass supplies |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 11/14/03 2:47:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>DrLeathers@822heal.com writes:
>
><< If you live on the West Coast, try Tap Plastics. >>
>
>Just a word of caution re: Tap epoxy. I've been using their stuff on my -6
>project and have been generally satisfied, but don't try thinning their epoxy
>with acetone to coat the inside of Van's epoxy cowls as was suggested in a
>recent RVator. The thinned Tap epoxy won't fully harden, at least it hasn't after
>four months in my case. FWIW.
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, firewall forward
>
The epoxy's can be thinned with alcohol.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
I just finished making all the stiffeners for the rudder and elevators. Talk
about tedious. I think I am ready for a shot of this ( with ice)
Curt Hoffman
RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
Quick build fuselage now in basement
Piper Cherokee N5320W
1974 TR6
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Hi Curt,
>
> Try this:
>
> 1 part orange juice
> Two parts rum,
> One part "panther piss",
> A jigger of mouse milk,
> Add a dash of 409 (for spirit),
> Ice?, we don't need no stinkin ice
> Stir 'don't shake' (potentially explosive!)
>
>
> Annnnd PARTY!!! ..... If you wake up the next day....... go back to
building
>
> Jim in Kelowna ....?? I think [%)!.... Damn, I think I need some ice
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
> >
> > Now what am I supposed to do with the gallon of panther piss I just
> bought?
> >
> > Curt Hoffman
> > RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
> > Quick build fuselage now in basement
> > Piper Cherokee N5320W
> > 1974 TR6
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > I'd avoid Goof Off. I'd avoid any crap which contains secret
> ingredients
> > > which may do harm. This includes 409, orange juice, rum, panther piss
> and
> > > mouse milk.
> > >
> > > Somewhere in the archives is a note about acrylic plastic (Plexiglass)
> > > which is what the canopies are. The note is about the compatibility
> with
> > > various solvents. I was unable to find it.
> > >
> > > As I recall Cee Bailey aircraft plastics recommended mineral spirits.
> > >
> > > Dana Overall visited a maker of canopies and reported:
> > >
> > > "As for cleaning, they say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays,
> > > concentrated alcohols or anything with ammonia. They say to remove
> "sticky
> > > stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
> > > alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
> > > dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
> > >
> > > The most powerful solvent known to man is okay too (water) and, given
> time
> > > to work, may get the masking tape. Many solvents are more effective
if
> > > given time to work.
> > >
> > >
> > > K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> > > RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
> > > PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi Rob,
No we don't, surprisingly. Just a few on Czech motor-gliders, and the
occasional Meta-Sokol, Zlin, Aero 45 twin, etc. Should be a good engine
though, for the reasons you state. Supercharger plus built-in inverted
systems - ideal for the tandem 'sporty' RVs.
Over here, we're all looking forward to the new diesels - at the field I fly
from (Shoreham, on the South Coast), Avgas is 1.06 GBP a litre and Jet A is
0.44 a litre
!! (=approx 6.62 USD/USgal and 2.75 USD/USgal). A tremendous saving,
especially as the sfc should be lower as well. I see an RV7 with Deltahawk
V4 in my dreams!
But then, it could all come apart if the politicians manage to slap a huge
tax on Jet A, like they did decades ago on Avgas and Mogas . . .
Bob
do not archive
> Time: 06:10:59 AM PST US
> From: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Subject: RV-List:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
> Bob,
> My Dad used to say "fuel is an incedental"...not any more. I run Autogas
in my
> 0-320 powered RV4 here in the US and figured last year I saved over $1000.
I
> fly alot...It's a good argument for low compression engines....Also I have
always
> liked the LOM engines after seeing one in Jim Ayers RV3. They are low
compression,
> run autogas, use a manual supercharger for higher MP and power, have
> magnesium cases and cost almost 40% less than a lycoming. Do you see many
LOM's
> over there in GB?
>
> RR
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
In a message dated 11/15/03 8:39:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Knicholas2@aol.com writes:
> My lawyer(s) have "strongly" recommended that I
> not take kids and other people I don't know well flying due to liability.
Kim
I did not email you directly but through rv-list because it is important that
I promote my point of view. I feel sorry for you. What good is it to have
nice things if you can't share them with others for fear of liability? On the
other hand, one needs to have "faith" that if the worst thing happens, that
others will go to bat for you. I will continue to live with the possibility of
liability because I refuse to let the lawyers run my life.(even if most of the
politicians are lawyers) Besides that, I just plain enjoy showing young
people what aviation can do for you.
Jim Nice
453 Young Eagles so far
Arlington, WA
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@access4less.net>
For anyone still looking for Hartwell latches check on e-bay,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2441689686
This isn't the part number that was mentioned but may be a workable
alternative. Not a lot of time left on the item though.
Lyle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ford
Subject: RV-List: hartwell latch
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
I'm looking for a Hartwell latch that has the round push lever instead
of the rectangular spring loaded one seen in ACS. There is a part
number on this broken one that I have of H601S-100-C356. Anyone know
of a source for this?
Dave Ford
RV6 finishing
=
==
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
==
==
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| Subject: | Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
Dan
One thing you could try is freezing it with one of the bottled air products
that are sold in photo shops. In my job we sometimes have to separate
layers of tape to examine them for fingerprints and the only good way we
have found to separate the layers is this. The bottles used to be freon,
but are another chemical now because of ozone concerns. The method is to
turn the bottle upside down so the spray coming out is almost liquid. It
evaporates quickly but freezes the tape making the adhesive ineffective
allowing it to be pulled apart. I don't know if it will work on masking
tape in your situation, but it is worth a try.
As an aside to this, this stuff works great to make little noise makers to
scare your co workers. Spray some of the liquid in an old empty plastic
film can, snap the lid on quickly and leave it on someones desk with out
them seeing. The liquid evaporates as it heats up, the pressure becomes too
much for the top and pops it off with an impressive but harmless bang.
Cheers.
Joe Hine
C-FYTQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
the same dumb trap.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
> various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
address
> off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
>
> Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
playing
> on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy sample for those who wanted them. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
Dan
I just read your post again and realized the masking tape is on your canopy.
I wouldn't try the freezing method to get the tape of the canopy, could
cause cracks.
Joe Hine
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
the same dumb trap.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
> various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
address
> off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
>
> Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
playing
> on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for |
those who wanted them.
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> those who
wanted them.
Dan
Get a bottle of Goo Gone at your local Home Depot (paint department) or local
K Mart (in with kitchen cleaners) This is a citrus based solvent. It will soften
the adhesive in about 5 minutes. It is completely safe for use on all plastics.
Please don't use Goof Off, as it will ruin the plastic. Goof Off has a new,
plastic safe formula called Goof Off 2. However, Goo Gone works better.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
>any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
>ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
>have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
>
>I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
>days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
>was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
>the same dumb trap.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
>> those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
>> various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
>address
>> off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
>>
>> Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
>>
>>
>> Dana Overall
>> Richmond, KY
>> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>> Finish kit
>> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
>> http://rvflying.tripod.com
>> do not archive
>>
>> >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
>playing
>> on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Terry,
What make and model of heat box are you using? I'm in the market for one. I'd
like a unit with that feature, as I understand it extends the life of the heat
box, by reducing it's temperature.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>I read that caution somewhere in the instructions recently. The hot air
>control box that I have is designed to dump the air from the heat muff
>overboard if the heat inlet to the cabin is closed, to keep air moving
>through the heat muff so it doesn't melt.
>
>Terry
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>
>
>Good Day to everyone!!! Today a follow RV builder was here to look at
>my project and was concerned that I did NOT have provisions to vent my
>heat muff when the heater is not in use. He seemed to think the exhaust
>needed some kind of cooling. Is there anyone out there flying that
>does not have these provisions? Thanx
>
>Joel "Weasel" Graber
>RV-4 trying to finish
>Brooksville MS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy sample for those who |
wanted them.
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> >If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue,
including
> >any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
> >ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I
don't
> >have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
Take a look at the Lp aero plastics aircraft windshield manufacturer fact
sheet:
http://www.lpaero.com/CAREINS.pdf
Basically it says use 100% Mineral Spirits or Kerosene.
Blowing the canopy changes the properties of the acrylic sheet and makes it
much more prone to crazing. The products and joining methods we use for
sheet goods will not work on cast acrylic and may not be safe for sheet that
has been heat treated and stretched...
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| Subject: | bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Van's IO-360 FWF kit came with a breather tube, FF-705, which appears to be
2024T3 aluminum -- I'm not really sure of the alloy/temper. Anyway, as it
comes, it's 5/8" tubing with an expanded (to 3/4") flange on top to fit
inside the 3/4" ID rubber elbow they also provide in the kit.
Well, my IO-360 from Bart came with a smaller 5/8" OD breather fitting...so
I just got some 5/8" ID rubber hose, and decided to chop off the expanded
top of the aluminum tubing. My plan is to run the rubber tubing from the
breather fitting, down the firewall, clamped to the firewall with an adel
clamp, and then transition to alumimum tubing at the bottom where it nears
the exhaust. Great so far...
I need to make an "S" bend in the bottom of the aluminum tubing so it can
jog around the engine mount and point at the exhaust. Bending this tubing
is where my problem lies. I asked around and nobody had a 5/8" tubing
bender. But fortunately when I was at Harbor Freight today they had one for
$5.99. SCORE!
NOT. No matter how slowly I take it or how oily I make it, the thing puts
*kinks* on the inside of the tubing. It's no real surprise, since the tool
is set up with like a 3" bend *diameter*. Pretty aggressive.
That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my questions:
- Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube is 2024T3?
- Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more ductile?
- Any tips and tricks on bending this "large" tubing?
- At least one builder said he went with rubber hose all the way down to
within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any heat/melting issues. That
seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of aluminum is definitely
prescribed here, but...sanity check?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: MY FOURTH FLIGHT (quite long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Great, I like the Diesel idea too...good for my missionary aviation friends as
well since 100LL is so hard to find in the faraway jungle places they fly. Jet
A and diesel are plentiful...
RR
Bob Hodgson <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson"
Hi Rob,
No we don't, surprisingly. Just a few on Czech motor-gliders, and the
occasional Meta-Sokol, Zlin, Aero 45 twin, etc. Should be a good engine
though, for the reasons you state. Supercharger plus built-in inverted
systems - ideal for the tandem 'sporty' RVs.
Over here, we're all looking forward to the new diesels - at the field I fly
from (Shoreham, on the South Coast), Avgas is 1.06 GBP a litre and Jet A is
0.44 a litre
!! (=approx 6.62 USD/USgal and 2.75 USD/USgal). A tremendous saving,
especially as the sfc should be lower as well. I see an RV7 with Deltahawk
V4 in my dreams!
But then, it could all come apart if the politicians manage to slap a huge
tax on Jet A, like they did decades ago on Avgas and Mogas . . .
Bob
do not archive
> Time: 06:10:59 AM PST US
> From: rob ray
> Subject: Re: Subject: RV-List:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: rob ray
>
> Bob,
> My Dad used to say "fuel is an incedental"...not any more. I run Autogas
in my
> 0-320 powered RV4 here in the US and figured last year I saved over $1000.
I
> fly alot...It's a good argument for low compression engines....Also I have
always
> liked the LOM engines after seeing one in Jim Ayers RV3. They are low
compression,
> run autogas, use a manual supercharger for higher MP and power, have
> magnesium cases and cost almost 40% less than a lycoming. Do you see many
LOM's
> over there in GB?
>
> RR
> do not archive
---------------------------------
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--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
I say again, Mineral Spirits....works great!
rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray
MINERAL SPIRITS! Cheap, easy to get, biodegradeable, and doesn't attack paint,plexiglass
or your liver. I wash the belly of my RV4 with it and it's great for
cleaning parts...
RR
Dan Checkoway wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
If anybody has a good method of removing OLD masking tape residue, including
any commercial products (i.e. "Duck Products Adhesive Remover"), I'm all
ears. I haven't tried MEK yet because I don't have any scraps, and I don't
have the gutterballs to do it on the actual piece...
I was trying it with isopropyl and it's gonna take me the better part of 2
days to get it all off. I really wish I had removed the tape right after I
was done with it!!! Word of advice for those out there who might fall into
the same dumb trap.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall"
Subject: RV-List: Canopy sample for those who wanted them.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
>
>
> I'll be cutting up the good pieces tomorrow and sending them out to all
> those who wanted a sample to play with. Seems most wanted a piece to try
> various scratch removal techniques. Just make sure you sent me your
address
> off the RVlist and I'll fire them off Monday.
>
> Sorry for the post here but I a lot of people who wanted a chunk.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always
playing
> on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE!
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| Subject: | Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I sent a private email to Dan, but as Hal stated, the manufacturer of our
canopies recommended kerosene or mineral spirits to clean off the sticky
stuff. In addition, they were animate in avoiding any "secret ingredient"
product on Walmart shelves because of unknown ingredients.
IMHO, don't try and reinvent the wheel.
A quote from my previous post from the manufacturer: As for cleaning, they
say don't use 409, acetone, window sprays, concentrated alcohols or anything
with ammonia. They say to remove "sticky
stuff" with mineral spirits, kerosene, white gas, naptha or isopropy
alcohol. After using any of the above, wash solvents off with Dawn
dishwashing liquid and water followed by a clear water rinse. "
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my questions:
>
>- Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube is 2024T3?
>
>- Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more ductile?
>
>- Any tips and tricks on bending this "large" tubing?
>
Yes. Fill the tube with sugar, and pack it in the tube real good. Then
bend the tube. This will help alleviate the kink in the tube. In the
breather tube, a little kink shouldn't be a problem though. Just isn't
the sign of a perfectionist.
Linn
>- At least one builder said he went with rubber hose all the way down to
>within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any heat/melting issues. That
>seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of aluminum is definitely
>prescribed here, but...sanity check?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Ok, I'll bite... what the heck is "mashing tape" anyway? I think I built my kit
without it and now I'm worried ;-)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Empennage manual update Page 8-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis and Stephanie Smith" <famflier@centurytel.net>
I have an update to the empennage manual that hasn't been made widely
available as yet, in case anyone wants it. I have it saved in a .jpeg
(picture) and .pdf (Adobe Acrobat) format. I'll try to attach them here,
but if you can't get them just email me and i will email it to you.
Dennis Smith
#97
Ready to rivet skin on vert. stab.
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| Subject: | Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
It's a typo, he meant 'masking tape'.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SportAV8R@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our
canopies
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Ok, I'll bite... what the heck is "mashing tape" anyway? I think I built
my kit without it and now I'm worried ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
It's the stuff you use to hold the rivets in place while back riveting :-)
> do NOT archive
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| Subject: | bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Dan,
This isn't really an answer to your question but I have been going through
the same problem. The firewall forward drawings for my RV-8A show that tube
mounted against the firewall and a piece of rubber hose with a 90degree bend
in it connecting it to the fitting on my IO-360 from Bart. Problem is I
can't figure out any way to make the bends end up with the tube running down
the firewall. I kinked my first one but thinking it could only cost $5 or
so, I ordered another. It was about $30. I would have lived with the
creases in it for that.
The RV-8 that I took firewall forward photos of last week (after a ride in
it. Thanks Mike!) had hose all the way. The tube would be lighter if I
could figure out how to make it fit.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: RV-List: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Van's IO-360 FWF kit came with a breather tube, FF-705, which appears to be
2024T3 aluminum -- I'm not really sure of the alloy/temper. Anyway, as it
comes, it's 5/8" tubing with an expanded (to 3/4") flange on top to fit
inside the 3/4" ID rubber elbow they also provide in the kit.
Well, my IO-360 from Bart came with a smaller 5/8" OD breather fitting...so
I just got some 5/8" ID rubber hose, and decided to chop off the expanded
top of the aluminum tubing. My plan is to run the rubber tubing from the
breather fitting, down the firewall, clamped to the firewall with an adel
clamp, and then transition to alumimum tubing at the bottom where it nears
the exhaust. Great so far...
I need to make an "S" bend in the bottom of the aluminum tubing so it can
jog around the engine mount and point at the exhaust. Bending this tubing
is where my problem lies. I asked around and nobody had a 5/8" tubing
bender. But fortunately when I was at Harbor Freight today they had one for
$5.99. SCORE!
NOT. No matter how slowly I take it or how oily I make it, the thing puts
*kinks* on the inside of the tubing. It's no real surprise, since the tool
is set up with like a 3" bend *diameter*. Pretty aggressive.
That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my questions:
- Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube is 2024T3?
- Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more ductile?
- Any tips and tricks on bending this "large" tubing?
- At least one builder said he went with rubber hose all the way down to
within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any heat/melting issues. That
seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of aluminum is definitely
prescribed here, but...sanity check?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis and Stephanie Smith" <famflier@centurytel.net>
Sorry fellows, I forgot to say that the updates I have are for the RV-10.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> Dan,
>
> This isn't really an answer to your question but I have been going through
> the same problem. The firewall forward drawings for my RV-8A show that tube
> mounted against the firewall and a piece of rubber hose with a 90degree bend
> in it connecting it to the fitting on my IO-360 from Bart. Problem is I
> can't figure out any way to make the bends end up with the tube running down
> the firewall. I kinked my first one but thinking it could only cost $5 or
> so, I ordered another. It was about $30. I would have lived with the
> creases in it for that.
>
> The RV-8 that I took firewall forward photos of last week (after a ride in
> it. Thanks Mike!) had hose all the way. The tube would be lighter if I
> could figure out how to make it fit.
>
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Van's IO-360 FWF kit came with a breather tube, FF-705, which appears to be
> 2024T3 aluminum -- I'm not really sure of the alloy/temper. Anyway, as it
> comes, it's 5/8" tubing with an expanded (to 3/4") flange on top to fit
> inside the 3/4" ID rubber elbow they also provide in the kit.
>
> Well, my IO-360 from Bart came with a smaller 5/8" OD breather fitting...so
> I just got some 5/8" ID rubber hose, and decided to chop off the expanded
> top of the aluminum tubing. My plan is to run the rubber tubing from the
> breather fitting, down the firewall, clamped to the firewall with an adel
> clamp, and then transition to alumimum tubing at the bottom where it nears
> the exhaust. Great so far...
>
> I need to make an "S" bend in the bottom of the aluminum tubing so it can
> jog around the engine mount and point at the exhaust. Bending this tubing
> is where my problem lies. I asked around and nobody had a 5/8" tubing
> bender. But fortunately when I was at Harbor Freight today they had one for
> $5.99. SCORE!
>
> NOT. No matter how slowly I take it or how oily I make it, the thing puts
> *kinks* on the inside of the tubing. It's no real surprise, since the tool
> is set up with like a 3" bend *diameter*. Pretty aggressive.
>
> That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my questions:
>
> - Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube is 2024T3?
>
> - Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more ductile?
>
> - Any tips and tricks on bending this "large" tubing?
>
> - At least one builder said he went with rubber hose all the way down to
> within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any heat/melting issues. That
> seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of aluminum is definitely
> prescribed here, but...sanity check?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
How about ordering some soft tubing that will hand bend easily? 4 or 5 bucks
might save some grief..... Phil
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