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1. 02:06 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Jim Sears)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal (Doug Gray)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (Dana Overall)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (Curt Hoffman)
5. 07:43 AM - Fw: Re: Fw: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (rob ray)
6. 07:44 AM - EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (RV_8 Pilot)
7. 08:13 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (rob ray)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (Gert)
9. 09:34 AM - Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing (WFACT01@aol.com)
10. 09:34 AM - rv-list bending tubing (smoothweasel@juno.com)
11. 09:40 AM - Re: Empennage manual update Page 8-7 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
12. 09:49 AM - Builders Insurance Coverage (jgburns)
13. 10:30 AM - Re: Empennage manual update Page 8-7 (Dan Checkoway)
14. 11:30 AM - Re: Empennage manual update Page 8-7 (Kosta Lewis)
15. 01:08 PM - Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies (Metalplane@aol.com)
16. 01:33 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Bruce Green)
17. 02:06 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (JOHN STARN)
18. 03:01 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (John)
19. 04:53 PM - Lycoming model codes (Gary B. Jacobs)
20. 06:38 PM - Re: fuselage longeron & skin overhang at aft bulkhead (Chris & Kellie Hand)
21. 07:08 PM - Re: Lycoming model codes (Jeff Point)
22. 08:24 PM - Re: Builders Insurance Coverage (Dean)
23. 09:59 PM - Rivets and rivet guns, etc. (Lyle Peterson)
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> I don't really want to start a flame war here but I want to explaine a
> concern about Young Eagles and ANY other similar program. Liability. I
am a
> professional with my own business. My lawyer(s) have "strongly"
recommended > that I not take kids and other people I don't know well flying
due to liability. My
> wife is a school teacher and she can't take school kids or scouts in our
car
> for similar reasons. If there is ANY accident I could lose everything.
My
> practice, my retirement, my plane... There is too mcuh to lose with
greedy
> lawyers and our current tort system. Signing a waiver is worthless - any
lawyer
> will tell you that you can't sign away your rights - especially a minor.
>
> You tell me that it can't happen? I can give many examples that it does.
It
> is a sad situation when someone is afraid to do something nice for fear of
> being sued.
>
> Please no flames. Just wanted to express a concern.
>
Alas, what a terrible world some of us live in when our whole lives revolve
around the fear of being sued. I know of some who will not sell their
homebuilt aircraft because of the same reasons. Instead, they give them to
a museum, cut them up for scrap, etc. Yes, a waiver is really worthless.
Yes, there is always that chance that we may have an accident that could
hurt someone during one of our Young Eagle flights. Yes, there is always
that chance that we could sell an airplane to someone who will crash and die
in it. Life is a risk; and, we live that risk every day.
I'm sure you, or anyone else who has to make a living, will not give up what
you do unless your insurance finally costs more than you make. I'm sure you
won't quit driving because you need the transportation to get to and from
work. I'm sure you know that if someone just walks onto your property and
gets hurt, you can be sued; but, it still happens, whether you know about it
or not. Life is a risk.
As Jim said in another note, we are insured to cover liability. Each
aircraft owner who participates must have a minimum level required by EAA
before their insurance kicks in. Most of us have more than that minimum
coverage required. I've learned from my past experiences of being on a
board of directors for an organization that most legal actions end up
settling for something within the limits of one's insurance coverage. Sure,
it can go beyond those limits; but, that doesn't happen often. With the
coverage I have on my RV, I'm comfortable that I can cover most injuries.
In the event of death, insurance coverage can actually be lower because
personal injury claims usually end up being more than death claims. This I
learned as a member of the board of directors.
Fortunately for one million plus kids who have become Young Eagles, and all
of the kids who have been taken up outside the Young Eagles program, there
are pilots who are not afraid of liability and are willing to take on some
of life's risks to allow those children a free ride. Like you, I had to
sort this out for myself and chose to become one of the guys who took the
risk. Over 300 kids and many parents are glad I did and took them for a
ride.
Now, let's get to something that may be closer to your life. What if all of
us felt the way you do? Who would be selling you RV parts so you can build
your dream ship? Van wouldn't have taken the risk. Who would be out there
to answer questions for you at your local EAA Chapter? Nobody would take
the risk. Who would have gone to the trouble to answer questions for you on
this list? Nobody would take the risk. Who would be willing to come to
your house and help you build part, or all, of your airplane with you?
Nobody would take the risk. Are you starting to see where this can lead to?
Sometimes, we just have to ignore lawyers and stop having them rule our
lives for us. Fortunately, most of us do that unless we really need one.
Because of that, life goes on.
No, this was not intended to be a flame; but, it was intended to give the
other side of things. I know a chapter that wouldn't take up kids for the
same reasons. I left that chapter and joined one that did. I'm glad I did,
even though I left a group I really liked. Finally, they also saw the light
and decided taking up kids is a good thing worth risking. I'm hoping that
most of us on this list feel that it's worth the risk. Otherwise, those of
us who have never gotten to fly in a RV before having one of our own may
never know how good it is to own one because nobody will take the risk to
take us up for that first flight in one. Now, that would be a shame. I'm
sure those I've taken up are glad I was willing to risk it.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
On the subject of caring for canopies I recommend a post to this list
from Leo Davies on Feb 10,1999.
Go check the archives for this post, subject was 'canopies and solvents
and fibreglass and polyester and'.
Message Number 51260
Doug Gray
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
>
>It's the stuff you use to hold the rivets in place while back riveting :-)
No harm done, I can take it:-) Actually I'm thinking it's what you are
doing "while back riveting". Watcha doin Dad?..........Oh, just smashin
rivets and "mashing tape".
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
Suppose all this time we have been eating what we mistakenly called mashed
potatoes on Thanksgiving and they were really masked potatoes? Something to
think about.
Curt Hoffman
RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
Quick build fuselage now in basement
Piper Cherokee N5320W
1974 TR6
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our
canopies
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> >
> >It's the stuff you use to hold the rivets in place while back riveting
:-)
>
>
> No harm done, I can take it:-) Actually I'm thinking it's what you are
> doing "while back riveting". Watcha doin Dad?..........Oh, just smashin
> rivets and "mashing tape".
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always
> playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
fyi
Note: forwarded message attached.
---------------------------------
From: arvil@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: RV-List: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing
6061-T6 will bend a lot easier , you can also use
a peace of 5/8'' copper tubing from the hardware
store, it bends real easy ! if you cant find a
softer Alum. tubing !
Arvil
rob ray wrote:
>
>
> Note: forwarded message attached.
> -------------------------------------------------
> AddressGuard
> --------------------------------------------
>
> S
> bject: RV-List: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:13:03 -0800
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Van's IO-360 FWF kit came with a breather tube,
> FF-705, which appears to be
> 2024T3 aluminum -- I'm not really sure of the
> alloy/temper. Anyway, as it
> comes, it's 5/8" tubing with an expanded (to
> 3/4") flange on top to fit
> inside the 3/4" ID rubber elbow they also
> provide in the kit.
>
> Well, my IO-360 from Bart came with a smaller
> 5/8" OD breather fitting...so
> I just got some 5/8" ID rubber hose, and decided
> to chop off the expanded
> top of the aluminum tubing. My plan is to run
> the rubber tubing from the
> breather fitting, down the firewall, clamped to
> the firewall with an adel
> clamp, and then transition to alumimum tubing at
> the bottom where it nears
> the exhaust. Great so far...
>
> I need to make an "S" bend in the bottom of the
> aluminum tubing so it can
> jog around the engine mount and point at the
> exhaust. Bending this tubing
> is where my problem lies. I asked around and
> nobody had a 5/8" tubing
> bender. But fortunately when I was at Harbor
> Freight today they had one for
> $5.99. SCORE!
>
> NOT. No matter how slowly I take it or how oily
> I make it, the thing puts
> *kinks* on the inside of the tubing. It's no
> real surprise, since the tool
> is set up with like a 3" bend *diameter*.
> Pretty aggressive.
>
> That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my
> questions:
>
> - Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube
> is 2024T3?
>
> - Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more
> ductile?
>
> - Any tips and tricks on bending this "large"
> tubing?
>
> - At least one builder said he went with rubber
> hose all the way down to
> within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any
> heat/melting issues. That
> seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of
> aluminum is definitely
> prescribed here, but...sanity check?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
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6061-T6 will bend a lot easier , you can also use a peace of 5/8''
copper tubing from the hardware store, it bends real easy ! if you cant
find a softer Alum. tubing !
Arvil
rob ray wrote:
Note: forwarded message attached.
<NOBR>Subject: RV-List: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing</NOBR>
<NOBR>Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:13:03 -0800</NOBR>
<NOBR>From: "Dan Checkoway" dan@rvproject.com></NOBR>
<NOBR>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com</NOBR>
<NOBR>To: rv-list@matronics.com></NOBR>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" dan@rvproject.com>
Van's IO-360 FWF kit came with a breather tube, FF-705, which appears to be
2024T3 aluminum -- I'm not really sure of the alloy/temper. Anyway, as it
comes, it's 5/8" tubing with an expanded (to 3/4") flange on top to fit
inside the 3/4" ID rubber elbow they also provide in the kit.
Well, my IO-360 from Bart came with a smaller 5/8" OD breather fitting...so
I just got some 5/8" ID rubber hose, and decided to chop off the expanded
top of the aluminum tubing. My plan is to run the rubber tubing from the
breather fitting, down the firewall, clamped to the firewall with an adel
clamp, and then transition to alumimum tubing at the bottom where it nears
the exhaust. Great so far...
I need to make an "S" bend in the bottom of the aluminum tubing so it can
jog around the engine mount and point at the exhaust. Bending this tubing
is where my problem lies. I asked around and nobody had a 5/8" tubing
bender. But fortunately when I was at Harbor Freight today they had one for
$5.99. SCORE!
NOT. No matter how slowly I take it or how oily I make it, the thing puts
*kinks* on the inside of the tubing. It's no real surprise, since the tool
is set up with like a 3" bend *diameter*. Pretty aggressive.
That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my questions:
- Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube is 2024T3?
- Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more ductile?
- Any tips and tricks on bending this "large" tubing?
- At least one builder said he went with rubber hose all the way down to
within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any heat/melting issues. That
seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of aluminum is definitely
prescribed here, but...sanity check?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
<A HREF="http://www.rvproject.com">http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>If there is ANY accident I could lose everything. My
> > practice, my retirement, my plane...
A valid concern. I've given a few YE flights - not every weekend, but
occasionally. Don't want to expose myself to the snakes too much.
I accept the risk for several reasons - we need younger people in GA, I
enjoy being able to give a kid a ride he/she will remember for a while, it
spreads goodwill to the non-aviation community. But it still worries me.
Thank the lawyers.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Bryan;
I was one of those airport kids standing at the fence begging for a ride and got
one....Unfortunately in our society, responsibility for ones actions is passed
into litigation. No amount of release forms or signatures on paper will prevent
lawsuits where lucrative awards can sway common sense judgement. Lawsuit
jury awards for ridiculous actions have ruined the insurance industry as well,
driving rates through the ceiling.
Does it stop me from giving kids rides? No. Does it concern me, yes. Is there
anything we can do about it? Maybe over time, but for now we have to deal with
lawyers.
Every time I strap an airplane on my behind I am liable for my actions, whether
it's just my butt or with 137 paying butts in back. Responsibility, it's just
something we have to deal with as aviators.
I for one think Shakespear was right.
RR
RV_8 Pilot <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot"
>If there is ANY accident I could lose everything. My
> > practice, my retirement, my plane...
A valid concern. I've given a few YE flights - not every weekend, but
occasionally. Don't want to expose myself to the snakes too much.
I accept the risk for several reasons - we need younger people in GA, I
enjoy being able to give a kid a ride he/she will remember for a while, it
spreads goodwill to the non-aviation community. But it still worries me.
Thank the lawyers.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
I've seen pre-bend pipes in various diameters at the local autoparts
shop. maybe that's a route to take, they were made of thin steel tubing
if I remember right.
conversly a quick dash to a junkyard may yield a pre-bent pipe suitable
for your purposes.
Gert
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> Dan,
>
> This isn't really an answer to your question but I have been going through
> the same problem. The firewall forward drawings for my RV-8A show that tube
> mounted against the firewall and a piece of rubber hose with a 90degree bend
> in it connecting it to the fitting on my IO-360 from Bart. Problem is I
> can't figure out any way to make the bends end up with the tube running down
> the firewall. I kinked my first one but thinking it could only cost $5 or
> so, I ordered another. It was about $30. I would have lived with the
> creases in it for that.
>
> The RV-8 that I took firewall forward photos of last week (after a ride in
> it. Thanks Mike!) had hose all the way. The tube would be lighter if I
> could figure out how to make it fit.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Van's IO-360 FWF kit came with a breather tube, FF-705, which appears to be
> 2024T3 aluminum -- I'm not really sure of the alloy/temper. Anyway, as it
> comes, it's 5/8" tubing with an expanded (to 3/4") flange on top to fit
> inside the 3/4" ID rubber elbow they also provide in the kit.
>
> Well, my IO-360 from Bart came with a smaller 5/8" OD breather fitting...so
> I just got some 5/8" ID rubber hose, and decided to chop off the expanded
> top of the aluminum tubing. My plan is to run the rubber tubing from the
> breather fitting, down the firewall, clamped to the firewall with an adel
> clamp, and then transition to alumimum tubing at the bottom where it nears
> the exhaust. Great so far...
>
> I need to make an "S" bend in the bottom of the aluminum tubing so it can
> jog around the engine mount and point at the exhaust. Bending this tubing
> is where my problem lies. I asked around and nobody had a 5/8" tubing
> bender. But fortunately when I was at Harbor Freight today they had one for
> $5.99. SCORE!
>
> NOT. No matter how slowly I take it or how oily I make it, the thing puts
> *kinks* on the inside of the tubing. It's no real surprise, since the tool
> is set up with like a 3" bend *diameter*. Pretty aggressive.
>
> That's all a long-winded way of leading up to my questions:
>
> - Does anybody know if the FF-705 breather tube is 2024T3?
>
> - Assuming it is, will 6061T6 tubing be more ductile?
>
> - Any tips and tricks on bending this "large" tubing?
>
> - At least one builder said he went with rubber hose all the way down to
> within 1/4" of the exhaust and hasn't seen any heat/melting issues. That
> seems crazy to me, and I assume a length of aluminum is definitely
> prescribed here, but...sanity check?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bending 5/8" aluminum breather tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
HI- To bend large soft tubing fill it with fine sand-put a plug in each
end-clamp the plugs-bend it around a large radius -2-3-4-inch pvc-pipe works-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Engine Runs, Taxi-Tests)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | rv-list bending tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
I don't know how "sharp" of a bend you are trying to make but I have had
success by using an old v-belt pulley mounted in a vise. Take the tube
and bend it in the groove of the pulley. The edges of the tube will
contact the pulley instead of the bottom preventing a kink. Different
size pulleys for different radius bends.
Joel "Weasel" Graber
rv-4
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| Subject: | Empennage manual update Page 8-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance Coverage |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
I purchased builder's coverage through Nation Air Insurance Agencies, Inc. about
one year ago. It made sense because I picked up the QB kit from Van's factory.
I just received a letter saying there's been a slight increase in premium
(25% is slight?), that'll make it $400 for one year to cover project (kit cost
to date $21K). The coverage is under Phoenix Aviation (Vans Program). Can
anyone point me towards a more competitive premium?
John Burns, 7A
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage manual update Page 8-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Wow...that really is much clearer than the old manual. It gets better every
day. Back when I started my RV, the manual had no VOWELS!!!
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Empennage manual update Page 8-7
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
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| Subject: | Empennage manual update Page 8-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>Wow...that really is much clearer than the old manual. It gets better
>every day. Back when I started my RV, the manual had no VOWELS!!!
Manual? There was a MANUAL?
Michael
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mashing Tape Removal from the manufacturer of our canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Metalplane@aol.com
I was surprised to hear that people were still using "Mashing" tape. I don't
get to the list very often. If you are planning to use tape to hold down
rivets for "back riveting", try this.
I've been flying my RV-6 (N130BN) for three years now. There's nothing like
it. When I was building, I tried all kinds of, what I see called here as
"mashing" tape. None worked very well. "Kapton" tape used on electronics seemed
to
work the best for me, but it too left a residue on the surface of the
aluminium.
I settled on a technique you might want to try. It leaves no residue, and
gives the best rivet set I've seen.
Tape the rivets down with a weakly sticky tape, but it should have a fairly
good tensile strength. The Kapton worked well for this, but the green masking
tape body shops use for "pin striping" worked best. I got a couple of roles
from a local body shop. It had past it's useful shelflife date and they were
throwing it out...lucky me. The narrower the tape the better. I used 1/4 inch.
When taping down the rivets to be set, run the tape out about 6 inched beyond
the end of the work. Now cut some strips of stiff paper or mylar about twice
as long as the tape you cut. About one inch wide worked ok. Fold the paper or
mylar strip in half. At the long end of the tape, you placed on the rivets,
tape down the folded end and let it one side flop back over the rivets.
Put the work over the bucking plate, and hold it down "lightly". Now pull the
paper strip out from under the work. It will pull the tape off the rivets and
stick it to the back half of the paper strip, the rivets are neatly in place
and set up "metal to metal" against the bucking plate. It works great!.
I was lucky enough to have a 20" by 32" slab of 3/8" stainless I polished,
that let me rivet 3/4 of each elevator at a time. I set up 6 or 7 lines of
rivets at a time, pulled out the strips and tape, and bang-bang-bang the rivets
were set. There was no messy "mashing tape" residue to clean since it was removed
befor the riveting.
As an added bonus, the rivets are set very tightly in the dinple. Even the
thinest tapes are soft. They let the rivet "mash" back down a little away from
the surface. It may look fine now, but you may see the difference when
painting.
Give it a try. It's easy with "NO" cleanup!
Bob Neuner
RV6
N130BN
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Green <mailindex@juno.com>
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:13:31 -0800 (PST) rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
> Bryan;
> Responsibility, it's just something we have to deal with as
> aviators.
>
> I for one think Shakespear was right.
*********************************************************************
"Ironically, the rallying cry of the lawyer bashers has become
Shakespeare's quote from Henry VI: "THE FIRST THING WE DO, LET'S KILL
ALL THE LAWYERS."
Those who use this phrase pejoratively against lawyers are as miserably
misguided about their Shakespeare as they are about the judicial system
which they disdain so freely.
Even a cursory reading of the context in which the lawyer killing
statement is made in King Henry VI, Part II, (Act IV), Scene 2, reveals
that Shakespeare was paying great and deserved homage to our venerable
profession as the front line defenders of democracy.
The accolade is spoken by Dick the Butcher, a follower of anarchist Jack
Cade, whom Shakespeare depicts as "the head of an army of rabble and a
demagogue pandering to the ignorant," who sought to overthrow the
government. Shakespeare's acknowledgment that the first thing any
potential tyrant must do to eliminate freedom is to "kill all the
lawyers" is, indeed, a classic and well-deserved compliment to our
distinguished profession."
So Rob Ray, now that you have demonstrated your ignorance of Shakespear,
do you still think he was right?
Bruce Green
Eagle N110GM
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Could dis be day zha view all over again, Dick the Butcher played by Katie C
and Jack Cade by Hillery.
Ole Wille the Shake wood be turnin' over if he saw the various ways we spel
his name. 8*) KABONG
The accolade is spoken by Dick the Butcher, a follower of anarchist Jack
Cade, whom Shakespeare depicts as "the head of an army of rabble and a
demagogue pandering to the ignorant," who sought to overthrow the
government.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Green" <mailindex@juno.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
> > I for one think Shakespear was right.
> *********************************************************************
> "Ironically, the rallying cry of the lawyer bashers has become
> Shakespeare's quote from Henry VI: "THE FIRST THING WE DO, LET'S KILL
> ALL THE LAWYERS."
Shakespeare>
> So Rob Ray, now that you have demonstrated your ignorance of Shakespear,
> do you still think he was right?
>
> Bruce Green
> Eagle N110GM
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Thanks Bruce Green .. ..that phrase has been quoted out of context so often
it has become a folk myth it seems.
Thanks.
John at Salida
Attorney at Law
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| Subject: | Lycoming model codes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne@mchsi.com>
Does anyone know where I could obtain a listing of the model code designations
for the different models of Lycoming engines?
Gary & Marianne Jacobs
gblayne@mchsi.com
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage longeron & skin overhang at aft bulkhead |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
Thank you to all that replied on and off list.
To record for the archives, the consensus answer was to notch/trim the main
longerons enough to fit the vertical stab but wait to trim the overhanging
skin until have rudder on and then trim just enough to allow full rudder
travel.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: fuselage longeron & skin overhang at aft bulkhead
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand"
<ckhand@earthlink.net>
>
> In building the fuselage (RV-6A), I left the skin and main longeron
extended
> past the tail F-612 bulkhead, planning to trim as needed when I fit the
vert
> & horiz stabs. Now that the fuselage is out of the jig and sitting on
> sawhorses, I see that I cannot get the vertical stab flush with the aft
> bulkhead until after trimming the main longerons back.
>
> My question is, should I trim everything (skins too) right up flush with
> that last bulkhead, or should there be some skin extending back a little
> past the F-612? Any close up photos of the attached tail section on any
of
> your web sites?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Chris Hand
> RV-6A, #23559
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming model codes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Van's preview plans have such a list.
Gary B. Jacobs wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne@mchsi.com>
>
>Does anyone know where I could obtain a listing of the model code designations
for the different models of Lycoming engines?
>
>Gary & Marianne Jacobs
>gblayne@mchsi.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance Coverage |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
John
I am building a " slow build " RV-9A and currently have a $ 17,500 insured
value with Avemco. The annual premium is
$ 284. On a straight line increase basis, this would imply about a $ 340
premium for your $ 21,000 valuation. This is the only data point that I can
offer.
Dean Van Winkle
Fuselage/Finish
N799DE (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Builders Insurance Coverage
> --> RV-List message posted by: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
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> I purchased builder's coverage through Nation Air Insurance Agencies, Inc.
about one year ago. It made sense because I picked up the QB kit from Van's
factory. I just received a letter saying there's been a slight increase in
premium (25% is slight?), that'll make it $400 for one year to cover project
(kit cost to date $21K). The coverage is under Phoenix Aviation (Vans
Program). Can anyone point me towards a more competitive premium?
>
> John Burns, 7A
>
>
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| Subject: | Rivets and rivet guns, etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@access4less.net>
I am in the process of setting up to start on an RV6. It is a very slow
build kit. I would appreciate some advice on rivet tools.
What rivet gun seems to be the best all around as far as versatility and
longevity? Which seems to have the best trigger? Is a 1X enough? Is
3X too much?
What rivet sets are the most useful and which are useful in some limited
uses? Long sets, offset sets, C frame sets, swivel sets, cushioned
sets. Any other accessory that any of you found useful or would have
liked to have to make setting a particular rivet easier?
What size yokes are useful or needed in some locations on a pneumatic
rivet squeezer or on a hand rivet squeezer?
I apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am subscribed
to several RV lists.
Thank all of you for the information and encouragement.
Lyle Peterson
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