Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:09 AM - Mashing Tape Removal (j1j2h3@juno.com)
2. 02:24 AM - GPS Antenna (Neil Henderson)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Lycoming model codes (Phil N)
4. 05:35 AM - EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Glen Matejcek)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. (linn walters)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Builders Insurance Coverage (John Helms)
7. 06:47 AM - Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. (Sam Buchanan)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: Lyco engine #list (Phil N)
9. 07:36 AM - Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. (linn walters)
10. 08:35 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (rv6tc)
11. 08:36 AM - Re: GPS Antenna (Dan Checkoway)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (rv6tc)
13. 08:57 AM - Was... Rivets and rivet guns, etc. now "Food Fight" (C. Rabaut)
14. 09:12 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Bobby Sather)
15. 09:34 AM - Humm (Wheeler North)
16. 09:49 AM - Manual (Wheeler North)
17. 09:51 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Brian Denk)
18. 10:23 AM - now "Food Fight" (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
19. 10:36 AM - Re: GPS Antenna (Charles Rowbotham)
20. 11:29 AM - Re: now "Food Fight" (Stein Bruch)
21. 11:32 AM - Re: now "Food Fight" (Terry Watson)
22. 11:53 AM - Re: now "Food Fight" and table manners (linn walters)
23. 11:57 AM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (RV_8 Pilot)
24. 12:00 PM - Re: now "Food Fight" (Phil N)
25. 12:54 PM - Stupid questions and archives and do not archive (kempthornes)
26. 01:18 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Tedd McHenry)
27. 01:24 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (rob ray)
28. 01:31 PM - Re: Food Fight (Rick Galati)
29. 01:31 PM - Safety Concerns (John)
30. 01:46 PM - Re: GPS Antenna (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
31. 02:28 PM - Re: now "Food Fight" (C. Rabaut)
32. 03:29 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Allen Mecum)
33. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Food Fight (Bob Hassel)
34. 03:57 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (rv6tc)
35. 04:20 PM - Re: now "Food Fight" (JOHN STARN)
36. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Food Fight (Sam Buchanan)
37. 04:42 PM - Re: GPS Antenna (a flyer)
38. 04:50 PM - Re: Humm (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
39. 05:03 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Kevin Horton)
40. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Food Fight (rob ray)
41. 05:39 PM - Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... (Lenleg@aol.com)
42. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Food Fight (Stein Bruch)
43. 06:27 PM - Re: now "Food Fight" (Stein Bruch)
44. 07:03 PM - Remote control winch? (Dan DeNeal)
45. 07:38 PM - Re: Remote control winch? (Charlie & Tupper England)
46. 08:00 PM - Re: Remote control winch? (Dan DeNeal)
47. 08:12 PM - Re: Remote control winch? (linn walters)
48. 08:56 PM - Re: GPS Antenna (Larry Bowen)
49. 08:57 PM - Re: Remote control winch? (JOHN STARN)
50. 09:42 PM - Re: Remote control winch? (Tom Gummo)
51. 10:22 PM - No subject as you will give it a new one shortly after you flame me (Lyle Peterson)
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| Subject: | Mashing Tape Removal |
--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
Who was that masked potato? I don't know, but he left me this silver
french fry (cue William Tell Overture).
Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (setting up shop in Franklin,
Tennessee)
Do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
>Suppose all this time we have been eating what we mistakenly called
mashed
>potatoes on Thanksgiving and they were really masked potatoes? Something
to
>think about.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Listers
I'm planning on mounting my GPS antenna on a firewall forward bracket just under
the top surface of the cowl, rather than on the scuttle under the windscreen
or externally. This seems to be a favoured place adopted by many builders. My
question is will this location work satisfactorily with the standard antenna
supplied with a Garmin 196 or is this only appropriate with a powered active
unit. Thanks for your input.
Neil Henderson RV9A nr Aylesbury UK
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| Subject: | Lycoming model codes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Here is Lycoming's list.
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/productSales/engineSpecifications/SSP401
.pdf
Phil
> >Does anyone know where I could obtain a listing of the model code
> >designations for the different models of Lycoming engines?
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| Subject: | EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi all -
Just a quick reminder - although there must be righteous lawyers somewhere, the
ambulance chasers we are all concerned with will by definition go for the deep
pockets. As long as Mother OSH supports YE, that's where they'll focus. The
insurance they require pilots to carry most likely covers their deductibles.
Of course, the other side of that coin is that if you ensure that you get down
safely, your passengers will all be fine...
Glen Matejcek
RV-8, ordering a new panel blank as soon as Van's opens...
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Lyle Peterson wrote:
>I apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am subscribed
>to several RV lists.
>
Ah, my golden opportunity. Why do you subscribe to multiple lists. Let
me answer that. Because you want to get the best/most advice you can.
Same reason I do. I'm presently on 5 lists. Let's say you are too.
That's 5 posts that show up in my inbox. And then 5 really knowlegeable
folks answer on each list. We're up to 30. Then a few (like this one)
that don't really answer your question. 35. All from one post. Yeah,
you get the picture ..... and you're struggling too! Now, I can always
delete some of the replies .... but which ones? And what about the
replies that folks didn't change the subject on??? I feel a migraine
coming on! What to do, what to do. I don't have an real good answer,
folks, but I'm inundated with emails, and I haven't even ordered my -10
kit yet!!! But I do have a suggestion: Send general questions to the
RV-LIST (like your rivet gun question .... which I want to know about
too, and what's the difference between 1X and 3X), and -10 specific
questions to the -10 list. That should cut down on the number of
messages somewhat. That's what I try to do.
Thanks for letting me get this off my chest!!!
>Thank all of you for the information and encouragement.
>
Man, do we need and value that! Dotto!
Linn
>
>
>Lyle Peterson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance Coverage |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
John,
The EAA's program also has a $400 minimum premium. But, like Avemco, they
charge you for any increase. They basically use a 1% rate ($50,000 of
coverage costs $500 per year).
Yes, AVEMCO can be slightly less expensive, but when your value gets over
$30K or so, their premium will certainly go over $400 per year.
Our program offers flexibility (and good value) by allowing the value to
range from a minimum (set by you) to a maximum (also set by you). If the
maximum value is set at or near the companies default of $75K then the
minimum premium applies. Going over that $75K default maximum can cost
slightly more than the $400 minimum premium.
The other companies mostly have minimum premiums of $500 or higher.
Unfortunately, the minimum premium was changed this year to match their
company wide minimum. They had originally set that at $300 per year for
Van's customers, realized they couldn't afford to do that, and raised it to
$400 in two $50 increments over the last couple of years.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
Please note that any correspondence by email from you will not constitute
you having contacted NationAir. If you have urgent questions, need to bind
coverage, or need other service immediately please call our office toll free
at 877 475 5860 during normal business hours and speak to a representative
of NationAir.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Builders Insurance Coverage
--> RV-List message posted by: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
I purchased builder's coverage through Nation Air Insurance Agencies, Inc.
about one year ago. It made sense because I picked up the QB kit from Van's
factory. I just received a letter saying there's been a slight increase in
premium (25% is slight?), that'll make it $400 for one year to cover project
(kit cost to date $21K). The coverage is under Phoenix Aviation (Vans
Program). Can anyone point me towards a more competitive premium?
John Burns, 7A
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
linn walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Lyle Peterson wrote:
>
>
>>I apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am subscribed
>>to several RV lists.
>>
>
> Ah, my golden opportunity. Why do you subscribe to multiple lists. Let
> me answer that. Because you want to get the best/most advice you can.
> Same reason I do. I'm presently on 5 lists. Let's say you are too.
> That's 5 posts that show up in my inbox. And then 5 really knowlegeable
> folks answer on each list. We're up to 30. Then a few (like this one)
> that don't really answer your question. 35. All from one post. Yeah,
> you get the picture ..... and you're struggling too! Now, I can always
> delete some of the replies .... but which ones? And what about the
> replies that folks didn't change the subject on??? I feel a migraine
> coming on! What to do, what to do. I don't have an real good answer,
> folks, but I'm inundated with emails, and I haven't even ordered my -10
> kit yet!!! But I do have a suggestion: Send general questions to the
> RV-LIST (like your rivet gun question .... which I want to know about
> too, and what's the difference between 1X and 3X), and -10 specific
> questions to the -10 list. That should cut down on the number of
> messages somewhat. That's what I try to do.
I have an even better suggestion.
Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a search
on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your question
to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list will be
spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
gazillionth time. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | RE: Lyco engine #list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
If you have trouble with getting the engine spec list from the Lycoming
site, I've copied it to my website:
http://www.toosan.com/misc/SSP401.pdf
Phil
> Not Found
> The requested object does not exist on this server. The link
> you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server
> has been instructed not to let you have it.
>
> Copied direct from posting below and above is responce. They
> must not like
> me over there. Will try something else, thanks. KABONG
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>linn walters wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>>
>>Lyle Peterson wrote:
>>
>>> apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am subscribed
>>>to several RV lists.
>>>
>> That should cut down on the number of
>>messages somewhat. That's what I try to do.
>>
>>I have an even better suggestion.
>>
>>Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a search
>>on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your question
>>to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
>>various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list will be
>>spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
>>gazillionth time. :-)
>>
>>Sam Buchanan
>>
Sam, you're absolutely right. Amazing how many times the same thread
appears and again takes on a life of it's own. So, now we have three
options:
1. Search the archives first.
2. Ask RV generic questions to the RV-LIST.
3. Ask RV-10 specific questions to the RV-10-LIST.
Any other votes? Nah, really don't want to start a food fight!!!!
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
Smoky!
Wow. Nice reference! And from a FIGHTER PILOT???????
Don't let the guys back at the Squadron find out.
Keith Hughes
RV-6 finish
T-38, C-141, B-737
Denver
----- Original Message -----
From: "rob ray" <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
> I for one think Shakespear was right.
>
> RR
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Neil...one word of advice. I chose to mount mine there as well. I haven't
flown yet, but I made one tiny mistake when building the shelf. I didn't
even think ahead about how the top cowl hinge would stick out about 3/4"
from the top skin flange. The hinge does end up over the aft edge of the
antenna very slightly. I'm not too worried about it being shadowed, since
it's barely covered, but it's something to think about when you build
yours...position your antenna with cowl fasteners in mind!
Photos of my crappy installation on the bottom of this page:
http://www.rvproject.com/20030824.html
Hope this helps,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Subject: RV-List: GPS Antenna
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
<neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
> Listers
>
> I'm planning on mounting my GPS antenna on a firewall forward bracket just
under the top surface of the cowl, rather than on the scuttle under the
windscreen or externally. This seems to be a favoured place adopted by many
builders. My question is will this location work satisfactorily with the
standard antenna supplied with a Garmin 196 or is this only appropriate with
a powered active unit. Thanks for your input.
>
> Neil Henderson RV9A nr Aylesbury UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
Hey Bruce,
I just spilled my Starbucks all over my lap and ran my car into a Home
Depot. Could you help me sue Starbucks, GMC, and Home Depot and help me
(any you) make a few million dollars??
Yes, it's a broad brush. Yes to some it's unfair. But if you can't see
what greedy trial lawyers have done to our economy..... Well, go buy a power
tool or a toaster and look at all the disclaimers packaged therein. The
Trial Lawyers have taken stupid behavior, like bathing with a blow dryer,
and made it criminal negligence on the part of the manufacture, as well as
VERY profitable for their profession. The associated costs get passed on to
consumers (economics 101), many of whom do not have the ability to charge
$300 + dollars per hour to pay for the increased costs. So before you get
your feathers too ruffled, realize that many of us are just plain sick and
tired of the lack of judgment shown in our current legal system.
So taken out of context? Maybe. Lets take a poll and find out how many of
us LIKE it taken out of context. I'll start with a vote in the affirmative.
Have a tort day,
Keith Hughes
RV-6 finish
Denver
Paying too &%$&
%$ much for insurance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Green" <mailindex@juno.com>
>
>
> So Rob Ray, now that you have demonstrated your ignorance of Shakespear,
> do you still think he was right?
>
> Bruce Green
> Eagle N110GM
>
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| Subject: | Was... Rivets and rivet guns, etc. now "Food Fight" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Linn,
IMHO, there should be a mandatory "Entrance Exam"... before anyone can
post, they must show proficiency at using the Archives. And... have a
sense of humor :-} or they get relegated to the "Glassair" list.
Chuck
p.s. They also have to add "Do Not Archive" to their first 20 questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivets and rivet guns, etc.
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> >
> >linn walters wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >>
> >>Lyle Peterson wrote:
> >>
> >>> apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am subscribed
> >>>to several RV lists.
> >>>
> >> That should cut down on the number of
> >>messages somewhat. That's what I try to do.
> >>
>
> >>I have an even better suggestion.
> >>
> >>Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a search
> >>on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your question
> >>to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
> >>various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list will be
> >>spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
> >>gazillionth time. :-)
> >>
> >>Sam Buchanan
> >>
> Sam, you're absolutely right. Amazing how many times the same thread
> appears and again takes on a life of it's own. So, now we have three
> options:
> 1. Search the archives first.
> 2. Ask RV generic questions to the RV-LIST.
> 3. Ask RV-10 specific questions to the RV-10-LIST.
> Any other votes? Nah, really don't want to start a food fight!!!!
> Linn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
I vote affirmative and believe an attorney should never hold office.
----- Original Message -----
From: rv6tc <rv6tc@myawai.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
> --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
>
> Hey Bruce,
>
> I just spilled my Starbucks all over my lap and ran my car into a Home
> Depot. Could you help me sue Starbucks, GMC, and Home Depot and help me
> (any you) make a few million dollars??
>
> Yes, it's a broad brush. Yes to some it's unfair. But if you can't see
> what greedy trial lawyers have done to our economy..... Well, go buy a
power
> tool or a toaster and look at all the disclaimers packaged therein. The
> Trial Lawyers have taken stupid behavior, like bathing with a blow dryer,
> and made it criminal negligence on the part of the manufacture, as well as
> VERY profitable for their profession. The associated costs get passed on
to
> consumers (economics 101), many of whom do not have the ability to charge
> $300 + dollars per hour to pay for the increased costs. So before you get
> your feathers too ruffled, realize that many of us are just plain sick and
> tired of the lack of judgment shown in our current legal system.
>
> So taken out of context? Maybe. Lets take a poll and find out how many
of
> us LIKE it taken out of context. I'll start with a vote in the
affirmative.
>
> Have a tort day,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 finish
> Denver
> Paying too &%$&
> %$ much for insurance.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Green" <mailindex@juno.com>
> >
>
> >
> > So Rob Ray, now that you have demonstrated your ignorance of Shakespear,
> > do you still think he was right?
> >
> > Bruce Green
> > Eagle N110GM
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
So if I read yesterday's digest right I can summarize that if you try to get
a panther to piss through a breather tube plugged with sugar your canopy
will craze.
I suppose I can see that happening.
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Hey Kosta,
There is a manual. Its something they've started including with the new
fangled prepunch and quick build kits.
I also understand they include plans with drawings and such as well these
days.
W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
>
>I vote affirmative and believe an attorney should never hold office.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: rv6tc <rv6tc@myawai.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
> >
> > Hey Bruce,
> >
> > I just spilled my Starbucks all over my lap and ran my car into a Home
> > Depot. Could you help me sue Starbucks, GMC, and Home Depot and help me
> > (any you) make a few million dollars??
And it appears the tort reform act is currently hung up in fillibuster on
The Hill. Some of our pinheaded politicos don't seem to realize how their
constituents are fed up with paying for lame a$$ lawsuits from people who
should be Darwin Award winners anyway. I'm all for a "stupid claim
fee/penalty"; If you file a blatantly stupid claim, that would not pass the
scrutiny of a reasonable person, not only do you get a very loud GO AWAY
NINNY!!! hollared into your ear via John Cleese but also a fat fine for
wasting the time of the courts.
Meanwhile, and more germaine to the topic at hand, I'll fly more Young
Eagles when I feel the kid(s) interested are truly into the concept and not
just sent my way to keep them off the streets. One flight years ago in a
172 was with three gang bangers aboard. (In support of a local "youth at
risk" program.) Man, they were all talk until the wheels left the ground
then...whoa...quiet as could be.
This was possibly an eye opener to them, but in general, I'm tired of trying
to pry overweight Nintendo kids out of of my airplane after they fall asleep
during a supposed "ride of a lifetime".
Whine and rant mode off.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 40051
do not archive
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| Subject: | now "Food Fight" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Chuck your P.S. is dead on!
Nothing more frustrating than a repeated question that gets relegated to
the list forever. Virtually all messages returned from a search should
have re: in the subject.
I am wondering if we couldn't as a team, have a standard response to the
newbees who pose that god awful question that makes us pull our hair
out. I know we should all just be nice and get along. I know they really
don't know any better. I know this is a place for learning and we should
be kind to the poor souls.
But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who posts "should I
build a tailwheel" to the list would get bombarded with direct e-mails
saying "don't build anything unless and until you can read directions!"
Come on. Who's in?
Mike
Its in there
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C. Rabaut
Subject: RV-List: Was... Rivets and rivet guns, etc. now "Food Fight"
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Linn,
IMHO, there should be a mandatory "Entrance Exam"... before anyone
can
post, they must show proficiency at using the Archives. And... have a
sense of humor :-} or they get relegated to the "Glassair" list.
Chuck
p.s. They also have to add "Do Not Archive" to their first 20
questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivets and rivet guns, etc.
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> >
> >linn walters wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >>
> >>Lyle Peterson wrote:
> >>
> >>> apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am
subscribed
> >>>to several RV lists.
> >>>
> >> That should cut down on the number of
> >>messages somewhat. That's what I try to do.
> >>
>
> >>I have an even better suggestion.
> >>
> >>Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a
search
> >>on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your
question
> >>to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
> >>various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list
will be
> >>spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
> >>gazillionth time. :-)
> >>
> >>Sam Buchanan
> >>
> Sam, you're absolutely right. Amazing how many times the same thread
> appears and again takes on a life of it's own. So, now we have three
> options:
> 1. Search the archives first.
> 2. Ask RV generic questions to the RV-LIST.
> 3. Ask RV-10 specific questions to the RV-10-LIST.
> Any other votes? Nah, really don't want to start a food fight!!!!
> Linn
>
>
=
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==
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Neil,
We installed Getz's hockey puck GPS ant on top of the glare shield. It's
flat black like our glareshield - small and has worked great.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: GPS Antenna
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:22:51 -0000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Listers
>
>I'm planning on mounting my GPS antenna on a firewall forward bracket just
>under the top surface of the cowl, rather than on the scuttle under the
>windscreen or externally. This seems to be a favoured place adopted by many
>builders. My question is will this location work satisfactorily with the
>standard antenna supplied with a Garmin 196 or is this only appropriate
>with a powered active unit. Thanks for your input.
>
>Neil Henderson RV9A nr Aylesbury UK
>
>
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| Subject: | now "Food Fight" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do Not Archive - Read the Archives!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RV-List: now "Food Fight"
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Chuck your P.S. is dead on!
Nothing more frustrating than a repeated question that gets relegated to
the list forever. Virtually all messages returned from a search should
have re: in the subject.
I am wondering if we couldn't as a team, have a standard response to the
newbees who pose that god awful question that makes us pull our hair
out. I know we should all just be nice and get along. I know they really
don't know any better. I know this is a place for learning and we should
be kind to the poor souls.
But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who posts "should I
build a tailwheel" to the list would get bombarded with direct e-mails
saying "don't build anything unless and until you can read directions!"
Come on. Who's in?
Mike
Its in there
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C. Rabaut
Subject: RV-List: Was... Rivets and rivet guns, etc. now "Food Fight"
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Linn,
IMHO, there should be a mandatory "Entrance Exam"... before anyone
can
post, they must show proficiency at using the Archives. And... have a
sense of humor :-} or they get relegated to the "Glassair" list.
Chuck
p.s. They also have to add "Do Not Archive" to their first 20
questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivets and rivet guns, etc.
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> >
> >linn walters wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >>
> >>Lyle Peterson wrote:
> >>
> >>> apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am
subscribed
> >>>to several RV lists.
> >>>
> >> That should cut down on the number of
> >>messages somewhat. That's what I try to do.
> >>
>
> >>I have an even better suggestion.
> >>
> >>Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a
search
> >>on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your
question
> >>to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
> >>various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list
will be
> >>spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
> >>gazillionth time. :-)
> >>
> >>Sam Buchanan
> >>
> Sam, you're absolutely right. Amazing how many times the same thread
> appears and again takes on a life of it's own. So, now we have three
> options:
> 1. Search the archives first.
> 2. Ask RV generic questions to the RV-LIST.
> 3. Ask RV-10 specific questions to the RV-10-LIST.
> Any other votes? Nah, really don't want to start a food fight!!!!
> Linn
>
>
=
==
==
==
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
No, I think Chuck has got it just right, except that the rest of us need to
remember how to use the delete key. Stupid questions are what people ask to
become unstupid. Nosewheel or tailwheel, 8 or 9 or 7 or 10 or 4 or 3,
primer or no primer or what primer, where to buy tools and what tools to buy
are stupid questions only when we know the answers. For many of us, we got
the answers right here. I have little bitty wires running all over my
airplane and I have a dozen or a hundred questions about hooking them up.
Those of you who know all about avionics will no doubt consider at least
some of them stupid questions, as I might when I get it all figured out and
wonder why it wasn't obvious to me before. But I thought that's what this
list was for - unstupifying us.
Use the archives, use the do not archive, use the delete key. And be nice
to these guys. They are us, and they are helping pay the freight.
Terry
RV-8A wiring, sort of.
Seattle
<snip>
I am wondering if we couldn't as a team, have a standard response to the
newbees who pose that god awful question that makes us pull our hair
out. I know we should all just be nice and get along. I know they really
don't know any better. I know this is a place for learning and we should
be kind to the poor souls.
But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who posts "should I
build a tailwheel" to the list would get bombarded with direct e-mails
saying "don't build anything unless and until you can read directions!"
Come on. Who's in?
Mike
Its in there
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| Subject: | Re: now "Food Fight" and table manners |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>Chuck your P.S. is dead on!
>
Oh yes, I agree (and told him so offline).
>Nothing more frustrating than a repeated question that gets relegated to
>the list forever. Virtually all messages returned from a search should
>have re: in the subject.
>
Good point. The original question (or at least enough to make the
answer clear) would be in along with the question.
>I am wondering if we couldn't as a team, have a standard response to the
>newbees who pose that god awful question that makes us pull our hair
>out.
>
Probably not. It would get boring .... the same old answer. Be
creative, be funny, informative.
> I know we should all just be nice and get along.
>
This (and the other Matronics RV lists I'm on) are full of really nice
folks. At least their comments are :-D !
> I know they really don't know any better. I know this is a place for learning
and we should
>be kind to the poor souls.
>
And I've been so grateful for that kindness. I'm one of the newbies,
and I'm learning. I guess some of y'all have been on these lists since
RV wasn't totally associated with a piece of large camping equipment! I
hope to learn a great deal from all of you.
>But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who posts "should I
>build a tailwheel" to the list would get bombarded with direct e-mails
>saying "don't build anything unless and until you can read directions!"
>
And I might add from experience ..... read the instructions all the way
through BEFORE you assemble, not just when you get hung up!!!
>Come on. Who's in?
>
Well, we're all in, and thank goodness it's a big boat .... er RV!!!
>Mike
>Its in there
>
Well, not anymore. I cut all that old stuff out. But I need to get used
to it so:
Do Not Archive!!!
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
FROM_HAS_UNDERLINE_NUMS
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Brian -
Your "gang bangers" from an EAA activity? That's all I've ever done was fly
kids at EAA fly ins.
These, in my experience, have been local kids who see the planes flying
around or have aviation interest. Nothing but big grins and (seemingly)
lots of fun with the kids I have taken up.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
do not archive
>Meanwhile, and more germaine to the topic at hand, I'll fly more Young
>Eagles when I feel the kid(s) interested are truly into the concept and not
>just sent my way to keep them off the streets. One flight years ago in a
>172 was with three gang bangers aboard. (In support of a local "youth at
>risk" program.) Man, they were all talk until the wheels left the ground
>then...whoa...quiet as could be.
>
>This was possibly an eye opener to them, but in general, I'm tired of
>trying
>to pry overweight Nintendo kids out of of my airplane after they fall
>asleep
>during a supposed "ride of a lifetime".
Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Being of the Information Technology variety, I feel compelled to chime
in here - even though I am a newbie to this list and RV building, I have
been an Internet mailing-list'er for quite a few years, both good and
bad.
The quickest way to discourage a newcomer is to tell him/her that they
have asked a question that's already been asked in a tone that implies
"you bloody idiot". The quickest way to make them feel welcome is to
politely say "You've asked a great question! As your luck would have it,
it's been addressed by some other needy soul. Here's the link to the
list archives that will help you find the previous discussions." It is a
fine line between frustrating the old-timers with old questions and
frustrating the newcomers with any sign of elitism.
I find that my delete key works nicely for the 200+ messages I get a day
from the half-dozen lists I'm on and the freaking SPAM senders. I don't
read messages that don't have interesting subjects. Flaming a poster
breeds resentment and discouragement. The old-timers will eventually
disappear (a fact of carbon-based organisms, sorry to say) and the need
for new "Sam Buchanan's" will have to be sassified. Fortunately, the
collective wisdom is available for the newcomer in the form of archives,
but sometimes s/he may just need a little of that "personal touch" to
keep him/her riveting.
Note to new mailing list posters there, BTW. If your subject line is
simply "Help Wanted" on most lists, it will never get any response other
than the delete key wave. The Moral Is: make your subject meaningful!
Phil
Do not archive
> Nothing more frustrating than a repeated question that gets
> relegated to the list forever. Virtually all messages
> returned from a search should have re: in the subject.
> But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who
> posts "should I build a tailwheel" to the list would get
> bombarded with direct e-mails saying "don't build anything
> unless and until you can read directions!"
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| Subject: | Stupid questions and archives and do not archive |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
By all means, check the archives.
Now, there are those who do check the archives and don't find quite what
they want. Then there are those who are not quite adept at checking
archives. Finally, there are those who are new to the list and don't know
about archives. Wait - really finally are those who are new to computer
usage who really want to use the system to help them build but are
intimidated by it all.
Be nice to everyone. When I worked in Silicon Valley someone said it is
good to be nice to everyone since they may be your boss tomorrow!
We need a FAQ to be posted every week or so, huh? You do grok faq don't you?
do not archive
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
>
> But if you can't see
> what greedy trial lawyers have done to our economy.....
It seems to me that this rage against lawyers is misplaced. Lawyers just make
the arguments, pro and con, in an adversarial system. Decisions are made my
judges and juries. A lot of the decisions that sound dumb from a distance turn
out to be not nearly so dumb when you see the details. And when the decisions
truly are dumb, I can't see how you can blame the lawyers. In order to
implicate the lawyers you'd have to show that the judge or jury was in some way
misled or misinformed. Since the system is adversarial, it's hard to see how
that could happen.
Granted, if one side has incomparably better lawyers they have a better chance
of getting a favourable decision. But that probably doesn't happen all that
often. When it does happen, it seems much more likely to me that the "big
corporation" would have the good lawyers while the "little guy" doesn't. But
the cases people complain about more often that not are cases where the "little
guy" prevailed against the "big corporation." Regardless, if the judge or jury
can't see through a slickly-presented case, the problem STILL doesn't lie with
the lawyers.
And let's not confuse the issue by pointing out that judges are lawyers. It's
beside the point since they still have to decide between TWO competing views of
the truth, EACH presented by a lawyer.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Amen.
Unless they run on a platform of tort reform.
Bobby Sather <sather@charter.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather"
I vote affirmative and believe an attorney should never hold office.
----- Original Message -----
From: rv6tc
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
> --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc"
>
> Hey Bruce,
>
> I just spilled my Starbucks all over my lap and ran my car into a Home
> Depot. Could you help me sue Starbucks, GMC, and Home Depot and help me
> (any you) make a few million dollars??
>
> Yes, it's a broad brush. Yes to some it's unfair. But if you can't see
> what greedy trial lawyers have done to our economy..... Well, go buy a
power
> tool or a toaster and look at all the disclaimers packaged therein. The
> Trial Lawyers have taken stupid behavior, like bathing with a blow dryer,
> and made it criminal negligence on the part of the manufacture, as well as
> VERY profitable for their profession. The associated costs get passed on
to
> consumers (economics 101), many of whom do not have the ability to charge
> $300 + dollars per hour to pay for the increased costs. So before you get
> your feathers too ruffled, realize that many of us are just plain sick and
> tired of the lack of judgment shown in our current legal system.
>
> So taken out of context? Maybe. Lets take a poll and find out how many
of
> us LIKE it taken out of context. I'll start with a vote in the
affirmative.
>
> Have a tort day,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 finish
> Denver
> Paying too &%$&
> %$ much for insurance.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Green"
> >
>
> >
> > So Rob Ray, now that you have demonstrated your ignorance of Shakespear,
> > do you still think he was right?
> >
> > Bruce Green
> > Eagle N110GM
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Well....yes Sam (and others) are quite right......as far as the argument goes.
I suppose a routine archival search would prove there is "nothing new under
the sun". Who can deny that many basic questions we see posed again and again
have long ago been suitably answered by many sources including (but by no means
limited to) Van's "Preview Plans" or "21 Years of the RVator"? Potential
and/or newbie RV builders benefit greatly from many builder experiences and will
learn soon enough to divine an informed opinion from a stew of ill-informed
fertilizer out there. As far as this list in concerned, I submit that archives,
as valuable a resource as they are, do not provide the sort of dynamic immediacy
that a timely opinion shared by an active list subscriber can offer,
providing of course, he is willing to give it. To my mind, virtually everyone
who participates on this list is here for one of two reasons, to either learn
information or to share information. Is it really t
oo much
to ask to be patient with those who reasonably ask what you so long ago discovered
in your own way? People and fashion come and go all the time. Were this
not so, we'd have nothing to talk about as we silently pass each other on a
nondescript two lane e-road leading into and out of the archives.
Rick Galati RV-6A finishing
Sam Buchanan wrote:
I have an even better suggestion.
Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a search
on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your question
to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list will be
spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
gazillionth time. :-)
Sam Buchanan
---------------------------------
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I have always timed my Lycoming with the #1 cylinder at TDC and the timing
mark aligned with the case halves. This has worked for a long time.
I now want to get more technical and have purchased a fancy digital timing
light that has a LCD screen with direct read out.
My concern is: How to use the light on a running engine...I have an RV6A and
would have to be up on a step stool behind the prop in order to see what's
going on. The notion of slipping off the stool, or otherwise getting tangled
up in the prop has me, frankly, more than "concerned" -I can't see standing
in from of the prop with the engine going and using the light....
What do you techies do in such a situation?
(And, yes, I have checked the archives first.)
John
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Chuck,
Is your glare shield under your cowl? Do you have Garmin's std issue GPS
antennae?
Please folks lets read the listers ? first.
Mike
Its my day to rant.
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Rowbotham
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
<crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Neil,
We installed Getz's hockey puck GPS ant on top of the glare shield. It's
flat black like our glareshield - small and has worked great.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: GPS Antenna
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:22:51 -0000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
<neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Listers
>
>I'm planning on mounting my GPS antenna on a firewall forward bracket
just
>under the top surface of the cowl, rather than on the scuttle under the
>windscreen or externally. This seems to be a favoured place adopted by
many
>builders. My question is will this location work satisfactorily with
the
>standard antenna supplied with a Garmin 196 or is this only appropriate
>with a powered active unit. Thanks for your input.
>
>Neil Henderson RV9A nr Aylesbury UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: now "Food Fight" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Oh Lord Phil, I don't know about planes, but this could cause some major
"food" to fly!
"The old-timers will eventually
> disappear (a fact of carbon-based organisms, sorry to say) and the need
> for new "Sam Buchanan's" will have to be sassified."
I resemble that remark!!!! And Sam are you gonna stand for that? Or are
you just too "sassified" to do sumptin' 'bout it? :-}
Chuck
Do NOT archive all this dribble......
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil N <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: now "Food Fight"
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
>
> Being of the Information Technology variety, I feel compelled to chime
> in here - even though I am a newbie to this list and RV building, I have
> been an Internet mailing-list'er for quite a few years, both good and
> bad.
>
> The quickest way to discourage a newcomer is to tell him/her that they
> have asked a question that's already been asked in a tone that implies
> "you bloody idiot". The quickest way to make them feel welcome is to
> politely say "You've asked a great question! As your luck would have it,
> it's been addressed by some other needy soul. Here's the link to the
> list archives that will help you find the previous discussions." It is a
> fine line between frustrating the old-timers with old questions and
> frustrating the newcomers with any sign of elitism.
>
> I find that my delete key works nicely for the 200+ messages I get a day
> from the half-dozen lists I'm on and the freaking SPAM senders. I don't
> read messages that don't have interesting subjects. Flaming a poster
> breeds resentment and discouragement. The old-timers will eventually
> disappear (a fact of carbon-based organisms, sorry to say) and the need
> for new "Sam Buchanan's" will have to be sassified. Fortunately, the
> collective wisdom is available for the newcomer in the form of archives,
> but sometimes s/he may just need a little of that "personal touch" to
> keep him/her riveting.
>
> Note to new mailing list posters there, BTW. If your subject line is
> simply "Help Wanted" on most lists, it will never get any response other
> than the delete key wave. The Moral Is: make your subject meaningful!
>
> Phil
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> > Nothing more frustrating than a repeated question that gets
> > relegated to the list forever. Virtually all messages
> > returned from a search should have re: in the subject.
>
> > But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who
> > posts "should I build a tailwheel" to the list would get
> > bombarded with direct e-mails saying "don't build anything
> > unless and until you can read directions!"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Allen Mecum <mecum@pacbell.net>
As a father of two sons who really did not have the love of flying as I do, I want
to thank all of you who did take the risk and make it possible for kids to
find out what it is like to "slip the silvery bonds of earth and touch the face
of god". Both of my sons now love to fly. Thanks to my father Kabong, Gummibear
and the Apple Valley EAA Chapter, we will be a flying family for another
generation .
I still remember my first flight and my sons tell their friends about thiers and
show the video and as they tell the story the RV grin still shows up!
Allen Mecum
rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray
Amen.
Unless they run on a platform of tort reform.
Bobby Sather wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather"
I vote affirmative and believe an attorney should never hold office.
----- Original Message -----
From: rv6tc
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
> --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc"
>
> Hey Bruce,
>
> I just spilled my Starbucks all over my lap and ran my car into a Home
> Depot. Could you help me sue Starbucks, GMC, and Home Depot and help me
> (any you) make a few million dollars??
>
> Yes, it's a broad brush. Yes to some it's unfair. But if you can't see
> what greedy trial lawyers have done to our economy..... Well, go buy a
power
> tool or a toaster and look at all the disclaimers packaged therein. The
> Trial Lawyers have taken stupid behavior, like bathing with a blow dryer,
> and made it criminal negligence on the part of the manufacture, as well as
> VERY profitable for their profession. The associated costs get passed on
to
> consumers (economics 101), many of whom do not have the ability to charge
> $300 + dollars per hour to pay for the increased costs. So before you get
> your feathers too ruffled, realize that many of us are just plain sick and
> tired of the lack of judgment shown in our current legal system.
>
> So taken out of context? Maybe. Lets take a poll and find out how many
of
> us LIKE it taken out of context. I'll start with a vote in the
affirmative.
>
> Have a tort day,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 finish
> Denver
> Paying too &%$&
> %$ much for insurance.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Green"
> >
>
> >
> > So Rob Ray, now that you have demonstrated your ignorance of Shakespear,
> > do you still think he was right?
> >
> > Bruce Green
> > Eagle N110GM
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Rick and Phil,
I agree with you totally! Something's change and evolve over time, like the
plans, the tools and if we're really lucky ourselves. Someone may even
actually have new insight to share or a new approach to an old problem.
If you don't like the question - then use the delete key. Having a bad hair
day doesn't entitle anyone to give a bad hair day to everyone else.
I've had my list of stupid questions and thankfully, everyone was generous
with their replies, insight and kindness to me.
So thanks to everyone for putting up with another newbie, who really needs
and appreciates the wisdom, experience and the kindness that is so often
freely given on this list.
Sam your experiences are greatly appreciated and sought after. I consider
you an incredible resource within a group of incredible resources so please
don't think I'm slamming or flaming here.
Perhaps the newbie questions could be left to those who were recently
newbie's. Give the 'old timers' a break for the really tough nuts & give
the recently ex-newbie's a chance to share even if it is just limited
experience...just a thought.
Bob Hassel
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Subject: RV-List: Re: Food Fight
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Well....yes Sam (and others) are quite right......as far as the argument
goes. I suppose a routine archival search would prove there is "nothing
new under the sun". Who can deny that many basic questions we see posed
again and again have long ago been suitably answered by many sources
including (but by no means limited to) Van's "Preview Plans" or "21 Years
of the RVator"? Potential and/or newbie RV builders benefit greatly from
many builder experiences and will learn soon enough to divine an informed
opinion from a stew of ill-informed fertilizer out there. As far as this
list in concerned, I submit that archives, as valuable a resource as they
are, do not provide the sort of dynamic immediacy that a timely opinion
shared by an active list subscriber can offer, providing of course, he is
willing to give it. To my mind, virtually everyone who participates on this
list is here for one of two reasons, to either learn information or to share
information. Is it really t
oo much
to ask to be patient with those who reasonably ask what you so long ago
discovered in your own way? People and fashion come and go all the time.
Were this not so, we'd have nothing to talk about as we silently pass each
other on a nondescript two lane e-road leading into and out of the archives.
Rick Galati RV-6A finishing
Sam Buchanan wrote:
I have an even better suggestion.
Use the archive search engine for the various lists. If you run a search
on the RV-list archives for rivet guns instead of posting your question
to the list, you will get nine gazillion hits with opinions on the
various features of the different guns, and the rest of the list will be
spared seeing all nine gazillion opinions repeated for the fourth
gazillionth time. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
Ted,
You points are correct.... in a perfect system. What has happened is that
it has become so expensive to defend yourself against a lawsuit, that many
people will settle rather spend the money to vindicate themselves. Last
week, there was a news story here in Denver that pointed out that on an
average day, the Wal-Mart Corp. has over one thousand pending lawsuits
against it. Most will be settled or dropped LONG before they see the inside
of a courtroom. So there is no judge... and definitely no jury. The least
ethical among the legal system see this and realize that by taking any
frivolous "slip and fall" case, they are likely to get a settlement, and
thus a part of the cash. And Wal-Mart knows throwing a couple thousand
dollars to the "wronged party" they will ultimately save themselves money in
defending against these claims. But I'm sure I oversimplify the point.....
Two examples from RV-land...... First; In the Van's accessory catalog
several years ago, there were these neat little map lights that sold for
$40, comprised of four LED's in a nice aluminum housing. I bought on to try
it out and I liked it so much I wanted one for the passenger side. Turns
out, I waited too long. After a lot of calling around, finding none, I
found two people, one guy at Spruce (who I had begged to check any of their
back rooms to make sure they didn't have even one left) and the other being
Tom Greene at Vans. Both related the same story.... an aircraft had
crashed. The lawyers for the deceased pilot's family sued the manufactures
of everything in the cockpit.... including our little mom-and-pop shop that
made the lights. They chose to close rather than spend the money to defend
themselves. I know.... I heard this from third parties (hearsay!!!) so it
may not be factual, but the story was the same from both suppliers.
OK... a little closer to home. Remember Van's demonstrator RV-8 crashed
with 100 or so hours, killing a Van's employee and prospective buyer.
Remember the disposition of this? According to Van's, the insurance company
representing Van's SETTLED with the parties bringing suit. Not I'm just a
dumb-ass West Texas boy, but why would you settle, after an independent
engineering company verified (very accurately) the calculated strength of
your design? Have you heard anything indicating that Van had a flaw in the
wing spar on the RV-8? Have you seen a change to the design? Or could it
be that the insurance company knew they would save themselves cash by
settling? Now.... who ULTIMATELY pays that bill? You did, I did, everyone
who buys ANYTHING at Van's does, because Van has to pay the insurance
company, and we have to pay Van. Now... were YOU culpable in the crash? I
know I wasn't, and I haven't seen anything that indicates that Van's
Aircraft was culpable. Did the lawyers that brought these suits get paid?
Where did that cash come from? Oh yeah.... and where were the Judges and
juries in the above?
Just two examples of how this affects you. Ill bet you a brand new map
light, that there are limitless other examples.
Keith Hughes
Denver
Do not archive
.... and no offense is intended to those of the legal profession who are
honorable men (and women) with integrity.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern....
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
> >
> > But if you can't see
> > what greedy trial lawyers have done to our economy.....
>
> It seems to me that this rage against lawyers is misplaced. Lawyers just
make
> the arguments, pro and con, in an adversarial system. Decisions are made
my
> judges and juries.
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| Subject: | Re: now "Food Fight" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
As my ole pappy usta say. "it better to look stupid for a second and ask a
dumb question than to remain silent and be ignorant for the rest of your
life". Do Not Archive KABONG HRII N561FS
----- Original Message ----- > Use the archives, use the do not archive, use
the delete key. And be nice
> to these guys. They are us, and they are helping pay the freight.
>
> Terry
> RV-8A wiring, sort of.
> Seattle
> But I for one would feel better knowing that the guy who posts "should I
> build a tailwheel" to the list would get bombarded with direct e-mails
> saying "don't build anything unless and until you can read directions!"
>
> Come on. Who's in?
>
>
> Mike
> Its in there
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--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bob Hassel wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
>
> Rick and Phil,
>
> I agree with you totally! Something's change and evolve over time, like the
> plans, the tools and if we're really lucky ourselves. Someone may even
> actually have new insight to share or a new approach to an old problem.
>
> If you don't like the question - then use the delete key. Having a bad hair
> day doesn't entitle anyone to give a bad hair day to everyone else.
>
> I've had my list of stupid questions and thankfully, everyone was generous
> with their replies, insight and kindness to me.
>
> So thanks to everyone for putting up with another newbie, who really needs
> and appreciates the wisdom, experience and the kindness that is so often
> freely given on this list.
>
> Sam your experiences are greatly appreciated and sought after. I consider
> you an incredible resource within a group of incredible resources so please
> don't think I'm slamming or flaming here.
>
> Perhaps the newbie questions could be left to those who were recently
> newbie's. Give the 'old timers' a break for the really tough nuts & give
> the recently ex-newbie's a chance to share even if it is just limited
> experience...just a thought.
>
There have been many good comments offered in this thread even though I
am not sassified with the perceived value of one particular
lister...... ;-)
The main point I wished to make was, "check the archives first, and if a
satisfactory answer can't be found, then let the questions fly". We were
all newbies at one point and I am grateful to those who assisted me when
the experimental aviation bug first bit.
One thing that will make it easier to address questions is to make the
questions fairly specific; it is much easier to answer "what is the
difference between a 2X and 3X rivet gun" than to attempt to grapple
with "what is the absolute best rivet gun for building airplanes?".
Best wishes to all the builders who are just now embarking on the
fascinating journey toward flying their home-built aircraft!
Sam Buchanan
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--> RV-List message posted by: a flyer <aflyer@direcway.com>
Ouch!
First, Garmin's 196 antenna is powered, like all GPS antennas. They have to
do some signal to noise enhancement (and frequency down-conversion) at the
antenna to work with the very weak GPS signal.
Second, I think Chuck was offering an alternative idea, that of putting the
antenna on the glareshield, rather than under the cowl.
On my 8, I cut a hole in the glare shield, and mounted the antenna on a
bracket under the hole. It is covered with the fabric glareshield cover. I
have a Skyforce unit. This approach has the advantages of keeping the
antenna in a cool place, and also having a very short (about 12") long cable
from antenna to receiver. I have not seen any degradation of signal.
I would also throw in the opinion that blaming the lawyers for lawsuits is
like blaming the gun for murders. The lawyers are just a hired gun, someone
needs to hire them to press the suit.
do not archive
John Huft (electrical engineer)
RV8, Pagosa Springs, CO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> Chuck,
> Is your glare shield under your cowl? Do you have Garmin's std issue GPS
> antennae?
>
> Please folks lets read the listers ? first.
>
> Mike
> Its my day to rant.
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Rowbotham
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Neil,
>
> We installed Getz's hockey puck GPS ant on top of the glare shield. It's
>
> flat black like our glareshield - small and has worked great.
>
> Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
> RV-8A
>
> >From: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: GPS Antenna
> >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:22:51 -0000
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >Listers
> >
> >I'm planning on mounting my GPS antenna on a firewall forward bracket
> just
> >under the top surface of the cowl, rather than on the scuttle under the
>
> >windscreen or externally. This seems to be a favoured place adopted by
> many
> >builders. My question is will this location work satisfactorily with
> the
> >standard antenna supplied with a Garmin 196 or is this only appropriate
>
> >with a powered active unit. Thanks for your input.
> >
> >Neil Henderson RV9A nr Aylesbury UK
> >
> >
>
> MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search...
> http://shopping.msn.com
>
>
> > ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Only if you used the "Wrong Primer" on the breather tube. Sorry couldn't
resist.
Tom in Ohio
Do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: RV-List: Humm
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> So if I read yesterday's digest right I can summarize that if you try to
get
> a panther to piss through a breather tube plugged with sugar your canopy
> will craze.
>
> I suppose I can see that happening.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
>
>
>OK... a little closer to home. Remember Van's demonstrator RV-8 crashed
>with 100 or so hours, killing a Van's employee and prospective buyer.
>Remember the disposition of this? According to Van's, the insurance company
>representing Van's SETTLED with the parties bringing suit. Not I'm just a
>dumb-ass West Texas boy, but why would you settle, after an independent
>engineering company verified (very accurately) the calculated strength of
>your design? Have you heard anything indicating that Van had a flaw in the
>wing spar on the RV-8? Have you seen a change to the design? Or could it
>be that the insurance company knew they would save themselves cash by
>settling? Now.... who ULTIMATELY pays that bill? You did, I did, everyone
>who buys ANYTHING at Van's does, because Van has to pay the insurance
>company, and we have to pay Van. Now... were YOU culpable in the crash? I
>know I wasn't, and I haven't seen anything that indicates that Van's
>Aircraft was culpable. Did the lawyers that brought these suits get paid?
>Where did that cash come from? Oh yeah.... and where were the Judges and
>juries in the above?
>
I beg to differ on this example. I agree that there is no evidence
that the design was at fault. The evidence seems to suggest that the
accident was due to an overstress, i.e. pilot error. And the
pilot-in-command was a Vans employee, flying a demo flight for Vans.
So I suspect there is every chance a jury would have found that Vans
was at fault, as the company had a duty to ensure that the demo
flights were flown in a safe and prudent manner.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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--> RV-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Well said Y'All,
I enjoy a good food fight every once in awhile...The positive side of this is the
support for new people out there, keep it flowing! Some of us started our RV's
way before there was an RV List, Van's website or side by side nosedraggers...sure
would have been nice to get questions answered by somebody in the thick
of it...rather than experimentation....
RR
ps: BTW, I don't hate lawyers, just the law system...
Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan
Bob Hassel wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel"
>
> Rick and Phil,
>
> I agree with you totally! Something's change and evolve over time, like the
> plans, the tools and if we're really lucky ourselves. Someone may even
> actually have new insight to share or a new approach to an old problem.
>
> If you don't like the question - then use the delete key. Having a bad hair
> day doesn't entitle anyone to give a bad hair day to everyone else.
>
> I've had my list of stupid questions and thankfully, everyone was generous
> with their replies, insight and kindness to me.
>
> So thanks to everyone for putting up with another newbie, who really needs
> and appreciates the wisdom, experience and the kindness that is so often
> freely given on this list.
>
> Sam your experiences are greatly appreciated and sought after. I consider
> you an incredible resource within a group of incredible resources so please
> don't think I'm slamming or flaming here.
>
> Perhaps the newbie questions could be left to those who were recently
> newbie's. Give the 'old timers' a break for the really tough nuts & give
> the recently ex-newbie's a chance to share even if it is just limited
> experience...just a thought.
>
There have been many good comments offered in this thread even though I
am not sassified with the perceived value of one particular
lister...... ;-)
The main point I wished to make was, "check the archives first, and if a
satisfactory answer can't be found, then let the questions fly". We were
all newbies at one point and I am grateful to those who assisted me when
the experimental aviation bug first bit.
One thing that will make it easier to address questions is to make the
questions fairly specific; it is much easier to answer "what is the
difference between a 2X and 3X rivet gun" than to attempt to grapple
with "what is the absolute best rivet gun for building airplanes?".
Best wishes to all the builders who are just now embarking on the
fascinating journey toward flying their home-built aircraft!
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Young Eagles paranoid concern.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
I heard an ad today on a local radio station asking if you have ever lost
money in the stock market ... 401K program, etc ... contact the law firm of _ _
_
you could be entitled to get all of your money back.... this is when I don't
like lawyers ... encouraging frivilous suits ... for their pockets !!!!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
166 hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Now we all have to wonder...........?!??
:)
Do Not Archive
Stein.
Bought paint today for my 2nd RV6.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Food Fight
There have been many good comments offered in this thread even though I
am not sassified with the perceived value of one particular
lister...... ;-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | now "Food Fight" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Then there's the other side....
"It's better to remain silent and have people think you a fool than open
your mouth and remove all doubt".
OK, I'm done....Do Not Archive
Stein.
RV6's, Minneapolis.
-----Original Message-----
From: Behalf Of JOHN STARN
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
As my ole pappy usta say. "it better to look stupid for a second and ask a
dumb question than to remain silent and be ignorant for the rest of your
life". Do Not Archive KABONG HRII N561FS
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| Subject: | Remote control winch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
I have a winch that was left in my hangar from the
last person that had the hangar. I thought I would
never need it to pull my RV6a into the hangar since
the RV's are easy to push or pull.
The end or March this past year we had some snow that
blanketed the area leaving the taxiway in front of my
hangar very slippery. When I realized I couldn't push
the plane back into the hangar because of the ice, I
grabbed the cable on the winch and hooked it to the
RV.
The winch saved the day!!!
The winch is an old winch and uses an extension wire
you have to unwind all the way to the front of the
plane. Then you have to hold down the switch while the
cable is winding up while your other hand is steering
the front wheel.
Where can I buy something like a garage door remote
control that I could use to replace the extension
wire. I'm looking for the remote and the receiver. I
can find remotes but all the receivers seem to be
attached to the garage door mechanisam. It just needs
to start and stop.
Dan DeNeal
RV6A N256GD
I love my plane!!!
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Remote control winch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Dan DeNeal wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
>
>I have a winch that was left in my hangar from the
>last person that had the hangar. I thought I would
>never need it to pull my RV6a into the hangar since
>the RV's are easy to push or pull.
>
>The end or March this past year we had some snow that
>blanketed the area leaving the taxiway in front of my
>hangar very slippery. When I realized I couldn't push
>the plane back into the hangar because of the ice, I
>grabbed the cable on the winch and hooked it to the
>RV.
>The winch saved the day!!!
>
>The winch is an old winch and uses an extension wire
>you have to unwind all the way to the front of the
>plane. Then you have to hold down the switch while the
>cable is winding up while your other hand is steering
>the front wheel.
>
>Where can I buy something like a garage door remote
>control that I could use to replace the extension
>wire. I'm looking for the remote and the receiver. I
>can find remotes but all the receivers seem to be
>attached to the garage door mechanisam. It just needs
>to start and stop.
>
>Dan DeNeal
>RV6A N256GD
>I love my plane!!!
>
The requirement to hold the button might become a very important
damage-prevention feature. How about a switch you can hold in (activate
with) your teeth, wired in parallel to the retract button on your
current controller? It then becomes a 'dead man' switch if you drop it.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
Not if you put a stop switch on the cable if it gets
that far.
-- Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper
> England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> Dan DeNeal wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal
> <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> >I have a winch that was left in my hangar from the
> >last person that had the hangar. I thought I would
> >never need it to pull my RV6a into the hangar since
> >the RV's are easy to push or pull.
> >
> >The end or March this past year we had some snow
> that
> >blanketed the area leaving the taxiway in front of
> my
> >hangar very slippery. When I realized I couldn't
> push
> >the plane back into the hangar because of the ice,
> I
> >grabbed the cable on the winch and hooked it to the
> >RV.
> >The winch saved the day!!!
> >
> >The winch is an old winch and uses an extension
> wire
> >you have to unwind all the way to the front of the
> >plane. Then you have to hold down the switch while
> the
> >cable is winding up while your other hand is
> steering
> >the front wheel.
> >
> >Where can I buy something like a garage door remote
> >control that I could use to replace the extension
> >wire. I'm looking for the remote and the receiver.
> I
> >can find remotes but all the receivers seem to be
> >attached to the garage door mechanisam. It just
> needs
> >to start and stop.
> >
> >Dan DeNeal
> >RV6A N256GD
> >I love my plane!!!
> >
>
> The requirement to hold the button might become a
> very important
> damage-prevention feature. How about a switch you
> can hold in (activate
> with) your teeth, wired in parallel to the retract
> button on your
> current controller? It then becomes a 'dead man'
> switch if you drop it.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Remote control winch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Dan DeNeal wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
>
>I have a winch that was left in my hangar from the
>last person that had the hangar. I thought I would
>never need it to pull my RV6a into the hangar since
>the RV's are easy to push or pull.
>
>The end or March this past year we had some snow that
>blanketed the area leaving the taxiway in front of my
>hangar very slippery. When I realized I couldn't push
>the plane back into the hangar because of the ice, I
>grabbed the cable on the winch and hooked it to the
>RV.
>The winch saved the day!!!
>
>The winch is an old winch and uses an extension wire
>you have to unwind all the way to the front of the
>plane. Then you have to hold down the switch while the
>cable is winding up while your other hand is steering
>the front wheel.
>
>Where can I buy something like a garage door remote
>control that I could use to replace the extension
>wire. I'm looking for the remote and the receiver. I
>can find remotes but all the receivers seem to be
>attached to the garage door mechanisam. It just needs
>to start and stop.
>
>Dan DeNeal
>RV6A N256GD
>I love my plane!!!
>
>
>
Go to http://www.x10.com/ and order a 20 Amp Heavy Duty Appliance
Module <http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_hd245.htm> - (HD245-HA) @ 29.99
and a Wireless Transceiver Module
<http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_tm751.htm> (TM751-HA) @ 12.99 and a
Palm Pad Controller <http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_hr12a.htm>
(HR12A-HA) @19.99
Kinda pricey, but it'll work. the other option is to call the garage
door installers in your area. They have remotes and 'controllers' for
gate openers and stuff like that.
Linn
Do not Archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I've thought of mounting the GPS antenna under the cowl on a shelf
cushion-clamped to the top arc of the engine mount. Has anyone else
done that already? Any drawbacks?
If not there, I'll just put mine on the glareshield. I have the 196,
panel-mounted and the stock antenna.
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 fwf/cowl
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: a flyer [mailto:aflyer@direcway.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:44 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: a flyer <aflyer@direcway.com>
>
> Ouch!
>
> First, Garmin's 196 antenna is powered, like all GPS
> antennas. They have to do some signal to noise enhancement
> (and frequency down-conversion) at the antenna to work with
> the very weak GPS signal.
>
> Second, I think Chuck was offering an alternative idea, that
> of putting the antenna on the glareshield, rather than under the cowl.
>
> On my 8, I cut a hole in the glare shield, and mounted the
> antenna on a bracket under the hole. It is covered with the
> fabric glareshield cover. I have a Skyforce unit. This
> approach has the advantages of keeping the antenna in a cool
> place, and also having a very short (about 12") long cable
> from antenna to receiver. I have not seen any degradation of signal.
>
>
> I would also throw in the opinion that blaming the lawyers
> for lawsuits is like blaming the gun for murders. The lawyers
> are just a hired gun, someone needs to hire them to press the suit.
>
> do not archive
> John Huft (electrical engineer)
> RV8, Pagosa Springs, CO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
> >
> > Chuck,
> > Is your glare shield under your cowl? Do you have Garmin's
> std issue
> > GPS antennae?
> >
> > Please folks lets read the listers ? first.
> >
> > Mike
> > Its my day to rant.
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> > Rowbotham
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
> > <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Neil,
> >
> > We installed Getz's hockey puck GPS ant on top of the glare shield.
> > It's
> >
> > flat black like our glareshield - small and has worked great.
> >
> > Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
> > RV-8A
> >
> > >From: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: RV-List: GPS Antenna
> > >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:22:51 -0000
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> > <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> > >
> > >Listers
> > >
> > >I'm planning on mounting my GPS antenna on a firewall
> forward bracket
> > just
> > >under the top surface of the cowl, rather than on the
> scuttle under
> > >the
> >
> > >windscreen or externally. This seems to be a favoured
> place adopted
> > >by
> > many
> > >builders. My question is will this location work
> satisfactorily with
> > the
> > >standard antenna supplied with a Garmin 196 or is this only
> > >appropriate
> >
> > >with a powered active unit. Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > >Neil Henderson RV9A nr Aylesbury UK
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| Subject: | Re: Remote control winch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
You might consider the "dead man" switch. All my pipe machines have them,
very heavy duty, looks like a slipper made of metal. OR a sewing machine
foot switch (might be too light duty) that you slip your foot into and slide
on the floor as required. Would think somewhere inbetween these two is right
size. Both work by pushing on pedal that is spring loaded and shuts off when
you lift or remove your foot. They are not remote but are available and
cheap. Do Not Achive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Remote control winch?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> Dan DeNeal wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> >I have a winch that was left in my hangar from the
>
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| Subject: | Re: Remote control winch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Mount the switch on the tow bar used to steer the plane. Can't be dropped,
you will be holding the bar during operation, etc etc.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Remote control winch?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> You might consider the "dead man" switch. All my pipe machines have them,
> very heavy duty, looks like a slipper made of metal. OR a sewing machine
> foot switch (might be too light duty) that you slip your foot into and
slide
> on the floor as required. Would think somewhere inbetween these two is
right
> size. Both work by pushing on pedal that is spring loaded and shuts off
when
> you lift or remove your foot. They are not remote but are available and
> cheap. Do Not Achive KABONG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Remote control winch?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
> <cengland@netdoor.com>
> >
> > Dan DeNeal wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >I have a winch that was left in my hangar from the
> >
>
>
>
>
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<rv7-list@matronics.com>, <rv8-list@matronics.com>,
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| Subject: | No subject as you will give it a new one shortly after you flame |
me
SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@access4less.net>
It is so disheartening to learn that aviators are so narrow minded and
selfish. If you people had used one tenth of the energy you expended on
blasting my question to providing useful information, you could have
written a book. As is it you only demonstrated that you 1. Don't know
the answers, 2. Think that your knowledge is so unique that it can't be
shared, 3. You have an immense amount of time to waste, 4. You have
absolutely no respect for other people, whether they be builders or not.
Someone suggested that the question was 'stupid.' The only stupid
question is one that you can't answer!
I checked the archives for the "gazillion" answers to be found there. I
found four and not all of them pertained directly to my question. None
of them covered all the questions I had posed.
A few responded off list. They probably did not want to be caught by
the lords of the list giving information to a new builder. I do thank
those few for the information they so generously shared. They are very
unlike the rest of the listers. Some two thousand people on these lists
and only a very few are willing to answer. Rather, several find the
time to waste flaming the questioner. The thread continues under the
guise of a 'Food Fight.' How charming!
So many messages use an existing subject because so few of you have
figured out how to start a new thread on the list. Shame, shame. Look
at the bottom of the message for the information you need. You don't
even have to ask a question of the list, and thus get flamed for a
stupid question.
I did envision one day flying it to Oshkosh. If I do, which is
doubtful, I will park it in the Vintage area. There are some folks
there that will talk decently to you about airplanes and lots of other
things.
If you get too many copies of this email, use the delete key.
Thanks for nothing,
Lyle Peterson
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