---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/26/03: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - vents at bottom of cowl (Scott Brown) 2. 06:17 AM - brake pressure (Frazier, Vincent A) 3. 06:49 AM - Seeking performance numbers on Ed Sterba Wood Prop (James E. Clark) 4. 07:12 AM - Re:Last Minute...? (bert murillo) 5. 07:12 AM - Re:Last Minute...? (bert murillo) 6. 07:18 AM - Re: Last Minute...? (Doug Rozendaal) 7. 07:29 AM - P>C> Virus (bert murillo) 8. 07:35 AM - Re: Last Minute...? (Tracy Crook) 9. 07:37 AM - Netiquete (T H) 10. 07:47 AM - Re: RV-List Engine break-in.....Which RV (Genev E Reed) 11. 07:49 AM - Heater question? (Doug Rozendaal) 12. 08:01 AM - Low Oil Level Sensor (Richard Meske) 13. 08:27 AM - Re: P>C> Virus (Gert) 14. 08:37 AM - reamers (Leesafur@aol.com) 15. 09:09 AM - Re: Heater question? LONG (Garry Legare) 16. 10:01 AM - Re: P>C> Virus (Rob Prior) 17. 10:07 AM - Re: reamers (Dean Pichon) 18. 10:11 AM - Low Level Oil Sensor (Hebeard2@aol.com) 19. 10:26 AM - Re: P>C> Virus (linn walters) 20. 10:37 AM - Re: Last Minute...? (Elsa & Henry) 21. 10:47 AM - Re: Heater question? LONG (Laird Owens) 22. 11:02 AM - Re: Netiquete (kempthornes) 23. 11:04 AM - Re: Last Minute...? (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 24. 11:06 AM - Re: reamers (Rick Galati) 25. 11:32 AM - Re: reamers (Cy Galley) 26. 11:40 AM - Re: P>C> Virus (Phil N) 27. 12:41 PM - Re: Low Level Oil Sensor (Richard Meske) 28. 12:41 PM - Re: reamers (Fred Kunkel) 29. 01:50 PM - Re: reamers (Richard Tasker) 30. 02:00 PM - Re: reamers (Leesafur@aol.com) 31. 02:25 PM - Re: reamers (JOHN STARN) 32. 02:28 PM - Re: Last Minute...? (Terry Watson) 33. 02:28 PM - Re: reamers (Rick Galati) 34. 02:58 PM - Wright Flyer down. (Dana Overall) 35. 05:20 PM - Re: P>C> Virus (Charlie & Tupper England) 36. 05:45 PM - Re: Last Minute...? (Jerry Springer) 37. 07:21 PM - Re: Last Minute...? (Credit card contribution) (Elsa & Henry) 38. 07:59 PM - Re: Re: reamers (Mark Delano) 39. 08:25 PM - Re: Heater question? LONG (JDaniel343@aol.com) 40. 08:40 PM - Re: Last Minute...? (Dean) 41. 09:01 PM - First Flight for RV-9A N94ME (C J Heitman) 42. 09:28 PM - Re: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME (Glenn Brasch) 43. 10:15 PM - Re: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME (Stein Bruch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:36 AM PST US From: "Scott Brown" Subject: RV-List: vents at bottom of cowl --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" Listers, I have seen the vents at the bottom of the cowl that are used to help air exit the cowl for cooling purposes. Does anyone know where to find these vents? Scott ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:17 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: brake pressure From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Here's some trivia to file away. Anybody care to guess what the pressure in your brake line is???? Jim Winings measured it. He said he measured up to 350 psi for a firm brake application and around 500 psi if you are giving it everything you got. Cool info, eh? Vince Frazier ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:41 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RV-List: Seeking performance numbers on Ed Sterba Wood Prop --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" GlacierAnyone in RV-land with the following configuration (RV6/160HP O-320/Ed Sterba Wood prop) and some performance numbers for the following? 1. Static RPM 2. Takeoff RPM 3. Max RPM 1000 ft. (+ MP if possible) ... speed (IAS, TAS, Ground speed even and rate of climb ) 4. Max RPM 8000 ft. (+ MP if possible) ... speed (IAS, TAS, Ground speed even and rate of climb ) I did archival searches on both this list and the Yahoo list and could not find anything. Yet, I seem to recall that some time ago someone launched an initiative to get comparable data. I am simply curious as to what the ranges might be on the above. I have talked to Ed about numbers and our RV6 *might* could use a little more bite but on the other hand it may be "just fine". Please respond "off list" for dialogue ... james@nextupventures.com Thanks, James ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:30 AM PST US From: " bert murillo" Subject: Re:RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" Mr. Dralle: I have posted a few messages to you, but never got a reply. Did you receive the check I sent? Maybe you will answer this one, Thanks Bert Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:39 AM PST US From: " bert murillo" Subject: Re:RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" Mr. Dralle: I have posted a few messages to you, but never got a reply. Did you receive the check I sent? Maybe you will answer this one, Thanks Bert Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:27 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Hey Folks STEP UP!!!! We used to pick up this thread and beat the drum a little!!!! A few personal storys about some heartache solved or some money saved... GET A MOVE ON!!!!!! This list is a valuable resource and ALL of us benefit greatly from it! DIG DEEP!!!!!! Dig out some of that moldy money and send some to ole Matt!!! CLICK HERE!!!!!!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution . If you are scared to put your credit card info online, SEND A CHECK!!!!!! Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 DO SOMETHING!!!!! & DO IT KNOW!!!!!! Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:07 AM PST US From: " bert murillo" Subject: RV-List: P>C> Virus --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" Hello: I have now a virus on my P.C. first time ever... question is , I bought the antivirus program "Norton" I loaded, after removing the old one, but nonetheless, I continue to receive the same trash, every time I log into the Rv-list .... Can some one give me some idea, what I had done wrong, or what is to be done? Thanks in advance for any help on this aggravating problem... Bert rv6a Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:30 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" APATHY! - APATHY! That's our cry! A - P - A - t - h ......... Aw to heck with it........ OK I'm sending my contribution now. do not archive Tracy --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Hey Folks STEP UP!!!! We used to pick up this thread and beat the drum a little!!!! A few personal storys about some heartache solved or some money saved... GET A MOVE ON!!!!!! This list is a valuable resource and ALL of us benefit greatly from it! DIG DEEP!!!!!! Dig out some of that moldy money and send some to ole Matt!!! CLICK HERE!!!!!!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution . If you are scared to put your credit card info online, SEND A CHECK!!!!!! Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 DO SOMETHING!!!!! & DO IT KNOW!!!!!! Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:11 AM PST US From: "T H" Subject: RV-List: Netiquete --> RV-List message posted by: "T H" Netiquete: Simple guidelines followed by polite users of email list groups. Things like not using all caps unless you intend to be shouting. Or trimming posts Trimming posts is when you quote someone, and only includes the portions that are relevant towards understanding the context of your reply. There are two reasons for trimming posts; (1) that it reduces the lenght of posts (we've all seen 100 lines of quoted text, and a one line response in the bottom), and (2) it makes life easier for the ones that read the lsit as a digest. ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT IF YOU GET THE DIGEST, DO NOT REPLY AND INCLUDE THE ENTIRE DIGEST. Sorry for shouting Grizz Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-List Engine break-in.....Which RV From: Genev E Reed --> RV-List message posted by: Genev E Reed On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:30:07 -0600 smoothweasel@juno.com writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com > > > First, I have been keeping a close eye on the thread of engine > break-in( > I have fresh installed rings as of a week or so and not run yet) and > was > day dreaming a little. If i take my airplane outside, tie it to > the > ground on a day that is about 35 degrees F. will my engine still > overheat trying to break it in? At some Godforsaken temp I should > be > able to break it in on the ground!!!???? > > > ........Which RV????? I personally have never flew/rode in ANY of > Van's > aircraft! But I am here to say that tandem tailwheel is the only way > to > go.......just trust me! obviously I don't have the experience to > be > talking here( young, Single, and never married.......) but just > trust me! > > > Joel "Weasel" Graber > -4 finishing > Brooksville MS > > Weasel: I'm glad you qualified your statement, I have no experience. Trust me your right. Doyle Reed RV7A N70723. It is my second RV that I have built. > > _-> = > = > = > UN/SUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription > = > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:37 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: RV-List: Heater question? --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" There is a tremendous variation in the outlet temperature between various RVs, I have a question. Do heaters that throttle the air going into the muff yield hotter air than those that throttle the exit air? My thinking here is maybe the restriction on the exit side creates a venturi that has a cooling effect much like blowing compressed air on your hand with a blow gun? A mini ACM, or sonic nozzle? Can we have a little survey with the Northerners, (I mean people who fly in the single digits, 25 deg F is not cold) and see if there is a correlation between good and poor heaters and the location of the flow restriction? My heater works good down to about 20 deg. below that it is marginal. I added pot scrubbers with little if any improvement. My restriction is on the outlet of the Muff. I want to be comfortable. I have flown other RVs that will blow hot air well below Zero F. I can't figure out the difference. I am not talking about leaks, drafts, and cabin insulation, just the exit air temp from the heater vents. (The delta T across the Muff for you engineer types.) It is getting cold up here and I have a ton of traveling to do this winter. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:56 AM PST US From: Richard Meske (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by www.gcfn.org with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:01:27.-0500@matronics.com (EST) Subject: RV-List: Low Oil Level Sensor NEW Low Oil Level Sensor ( You can even replace your oil drain plug with it! ) Check it out at www.aircraftextras.com Just thought Id tell the group that I have been working on developing a Low Oil Level Sensor for an O360 engine. It may fit others too. It is now available for sale complete with a blinking LED for panel installation. Later, I will offer a brighter and larger light. I mainly did this because I never wanted to get a Low Oil Pressure light indication in my plane, telling me that I had an oil leak. By that time, it might be too late for a good power on landing. If you check the accident archives, there have numerous low oil level problems over the years, and I never saw an instrument to indicate this. Rich ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:42 AM PST US From: Gert Subject: Re: RV-List: P>C> Virus --> RV-List message posted by: Gert Hi Bert first off, it is not unusual to get hit several days in a row, especially if the computer who is sending you that stuff is not aware of the problem. If this is the case the only thing you can do is save the mesage and file a complaint with your ISP with a copy of the message and hope that your ISP will follow up for you. You have to save the whole message as the info you see in the 'from' field is not always what the (normally invisible) header says it really came from. I get virusses on a semi regular basis, many times it will appear either from the RV-list or a subscriber from the RV list. The only reason that happens is because the infected computer has stored somewhere in the past a message from me. When I look in the message header it has never mentioned 'matronics' anywhere. Did Norton, find a virus problem *and* actually remove it for you. I have had some virus on my son's computer that acted as a 'beacon' and whenever he rebotted his computer it would redownload. I found that out be accident when I cleaned his registry and found a bunch of programs starting I did not recognize. Sure enough, running one of them would reinfect the computer, IF it was connected to the internet. In the end all you currently can do is to keep your antivirus up to date and hope it will catch the virus in the emails. Gert bert murillo wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" > > Hello: > > > I have now a virus on my P.C. first time ever... > question is , I bought the antivirus program "Norton" > I loaded, after removing the old one, but nonetheless, > I continue to receive the same trash, every time I log > into the Rv-list .... > > > Can some one give me some idea, what I had done wrong, or > what is to be done? > > > Thanks in advance for any help on this aggravating > problem... > > Bert > > rv6a > > Do Not archive > > > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:49 AM PST US From: Leesafur@aol.com Subject: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the 0249 but not the other. Thanks Lee Sahr Anoka MN RV-3 wing ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:52 AM PST US From: Garry Legare Subject: Re: RV-List: Heater question? LONG --> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare Doug, I've got two Robbins muffs (with no scrub pads) in series one on each pipe, the first one has a 1" restricter in it. This goes to a standard heat box then thru the firewall and splits into two 1 1/4" ducts which are terminated about 8" above the occupants feet. During my cabin heating/venting testing I instumented the outlet air temp. The temp was in excess of 165 degrees F (gauge limit), in fact it's so hot if you leave it full on for more than 15 minutes your feet get too hot. The problem I had initially is the amount of air coming in from the tail ( I have aileron boots) overwhelmed the hot air and you could hardly feel the heat. After I got that volume reduced the heater really started working with out doing anything to it. I still have a small problem with cold air coming from the tail cone and will be working on it again this winter. One thing I have noticed, is now that I have the cabin sealed up tight is My CO detector is showing way more CO coming in than I find acceptable. This is with the heater on or off and it is not coming from the heater ducts or the firewall, but from the tail. The exhaust attaches itself to the flow along the belly and is brought in with the air. My CO detector has a digital readout, is portable, and very sensitive and it has been moved around during extensive flight testing. I can change the CO percent by adjusting the mixture or by opening or closing the cabin air vents. With the vents wide open there is a tremendous amount of air coming in and it over powers the tail pressure. I've discussed longer exhaust extensions with Larry the exhaust GURU and he says that they have tried various lengths with out any luck. In the next few weeks I'm going to be getting back on this as it's too cold to be flying around with the air vents wide open. Good luck. I'll let you know what I find. Casper Doug Rozendaal wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > >There is a tremendous variation in the outlet temperature between various >RVs, I have a question. > >Do heaters that throttle the air going into the muff yield hotter air than >those that throttle the exit air? > >My thinking here is maybe the restriction on the exit side creates a venturi >that has a cooling effect much like blowing compressed air on your hand with >a blow gun? A mini ACM, or sonic nozzle? > >Can we have a little survey with the Northerners, (I mean people who fly in >the single digits, 25 deg F is not cold) and see if there is a correlation >between good and poor heaters and the location of the flow restriction? > >My heater works good down to about 20 deg. below that it is marginal. I >added pot scrubbers with little if any improvement. My restriction is on >the outlet of the Muff. I want to be comfortable. > >I have flown other RVs that will blow hot air well below Zero F. I can't >figure out the difference. I am not talking about leaks, drafts, and cabin >insulation, just the exit air temp from the heater vents. (The delta T >across the Muff for you engineer types.) > >It is getting cold up here and I have a ton of traveling to do this winter. > >Tailwinds, >Doug Rozendaal. > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:28 AM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: P>C> Virus --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior bert murillo wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" > I have now a virus on my P.C. first time ever... > question is , I bought the antivirus program "Norton" > I loaded, after removing the old one, but nonetheless, > I continue to receive the same trash, every time I log > into the Rv-list .... I think Matt will back me up when I say that the likelyhood of you receiving a virus from *this* RV-List (ie. the one based at Matronics) is *extremely* low, even non-existent. If you've got something claiming to be from "rv-list@matronics.com" that has a virus in it, let Matt know as i'm sure he'd be interested in seeing it. If you've picked something up while browsing the Yahoo groups, I wouldn't be surprised. Nothing against Yahoo, I use many of their groups. But Yahoo doesn't control their advertisers very well and many graphic ads have tracers embedded that track your browsing habits and report back to some third-party servers. They could also conceivably install various little annoying virii that way, if you have java and javascript enabled by default. > Can some one give me some idea, what I had done wrong, or > what is to be done? One thing you did wrong was to post a question about a virus to an RV Discussion list... 8-) The solution is to run Norton or McAfee anti-virus software, and keep the virus data files up-to-date (both Norton and McAfee have menu options to update the files). Both Norton and McAfee have ways to remove virii, or offer suggestions how to remove virii, when they are found. Another useful program is AdAware, that looks for and removes most of the annoying little virii that websites store as cookies on your system. Hope this helps! Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:55 AM PST US From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" Reamers of this size (and most any other size for that matter) may be purchased from MSC Industrial supply. This outfit can supply most any tooling requirement. The website is: http://www.mscdirect.com Good luck, Dean >From: Leesafur@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: RV-List@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: reamers >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:37:20 EST > >--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com > >Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the >0249 >but not the other. >Thanks > >Lee Sahr >Anoka MN >RV-3 wing > > Say goodbye to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:50 AM PST US From: Hebeard2@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Low Level Oil Sensor --> RV-List message posted by: Hebeard2@aol.com Rich, Where is the Low Level Oil sensor hidden on your web site? I have been unable to find it. Harley ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:28 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: P>C> Virus --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters For what it's worth, I use an antivirus program from AVG: http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php and it's free. I get a few viruses every once in a while and find them when I do a complete scan, which either heals the infected file or moves it to a 'virus vault'. Linn Do Not Archive >bert murillo wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" >> >>Hello: >> >> >> I have now a virus on my P.C. first time ever... >>question is , I bought the antivirus program "Norton" >>I loaded, after removing the old one, but nonetheless, >>I continue to receive the same trash, every time I log >>into the Rv-list .... >> >> >>Can some one give me some idea, what I had done wrong, or >>what is to be done? >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any help on this aggravating >>problem... >> >>Bert >> >>rv6a >> >>Do Not archive >> ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:46 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? BAYES_44 --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Hey Guys I want to send a contribution, but no way by credit card---so I'll send a check (Cheque where I came from). OK the instructions give the address where to send it to, BUT who or what do we make the check PAYABLE to?- Matronics?--Matt Dralle?--RV List? or-----? HELP! Cheers!!--Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:26 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Heater question? LONG --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Garry, To change the subject a little, what did you do to reduce the volume of air that comes in from the tail cone? I remember some testing you did, but don't seem to remember the final results. Relating to the pressure in the cockpit, I have my Altrak controller head in the tailcone, and it is NOT plumbed into the static line, just open to ambient. I can change the altitude by 20' or so by opening or closing the vents. Not surprising, but it is interesting. Laird >--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare > snipped stuff >The problem I had initially is the amount of air coming in from the tail >( I have aileron boots) overwhelmed the hot air and you could hardly >feel the heat. After I got that volume reduced the heater really >started working with out doing anything to it. snip >Casper > >Doug Rozendaal wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" >> >>There is a tremendous variation in the outlet temperature between various >>RVs, I have a question. >> >>Do heaters that throttle the air going into the muff yield hotter air than >>those that throttle the exit air? >> >>My thinking here is maybe the restriction on the exit side creates a venturi >>that has a cooling effect much like blowing compressed air on your hand with >>a blow gun? A mini ACM, or sonic nozzle? >> >>Can we have a little survey with the Northerners, (I mean people who fly in >>the single digits, 25 deg F is not cold) and see if there is a correlation >>between good and poor heaters and the location of the flow restriction? >> >>My heater works good down to about 20 deg. below that it is marginal. I >>added pot scrubbers with little if any improvement. My restriction is on >>the outlet of the Muff. I want to be comfortable. >> >>I have flown other RVs that will blow hot air well below Zero F. I can't >>figure out the difference. I am not talking about leaks, drafts, and cabin >>insulation, just the exit air temp from the heater vents. (The delta T >>across the Muff for you engineer types.) >> >>It is getting cold up here and I have a ton of traveling to do this winter. >> >>Tailwinds, >>Doug Rozendaal. >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:19 AM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: Netiquete YOUR_INCOME --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes Hey y'all, It is also nice to contribute some money so that the list can keep going. Even if you never post anything you still should be a decent human being and send Matt a few bucks. You can deduct it from your income tax. It is also neat to read all your list mail before answering a question as many others may have already answered. More, your answer might embarrass you! hal ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:52 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) "Re: RV-List: Last Minute...?" (Nov 26, 10:54am) Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) >-------------- >--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > >Hey Guys > I want to send a contribution, but no way by credit >card---so I'll send a check (Cheque where I came from). OK the instructions >give the address where to send it to, BUT who or what do we make the check >PAYABLE to?- Matronics?--Matt Dralle?--RV List? or-----? > HELP! > >Cheers!!--Henry Hore >-------------- Hi Henry! You can make the check out to "Matronics". Thank you for your contribution! Much appreciated! Matt Dralle -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:15 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati Check with Grizzly, Discount-Tools, Pathon, Brown Tool, Cleaveland and Avery. All carry 5/16 ( .3125) reamers. Rick Galati RV-6A finishing Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the 0249 but not the other. Thanks Lee Sahr Anoka MN RV-3 wing --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:21 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" 0.3110 02033116 15.02 from MSC Is as close as I could find. There are adjustables +.010 (5/16 134 4 02510204 $38.37) Don't know if it could lose a 0.001 Why not just get the full 0.3125 and then use red loctite for any slop? Might be cheaper and easier just to order precision bolts for the few you will need. You aren't building a watch. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: reamers > --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com > > Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the 0249 > but not the other. > Thanks > > Lee Sahr > Anoka MN > RV-3 wing > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:05 AM PST US From: "Phil N" Subject: RE: RV-List: P>C> Virus --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" While we're on this subject..... If you are running a Microsoft Windows machine and use Internet Exploder, there is an option under the "Tools" drop down menu to run "Windows Update". Generally speaking, it is a good idea to run the update at least weekly and install all "Critical" patches. This should help to prevent catching some of the more difficult to remedy viruses. If you run something other than Internet Exploder, go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and run the update program from there. IE gets lots of bad press (deservedly) but that is not the only way for a Windows machine to get infected..... Phil > The solution is to run Norton or McAfee anti-virus software, and keep > the virus data files up-to-date (both Norton and McAfee have menu > options to update the files). Both Norton and McAfee have ways to > remove virii, or offer suggestions how to remove virii, when they are > found. Another useful program is AdAware, that looks for and removes > most of the annoying little virii that websites store as > cookies on your > system. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:08 PM PST US From: Richard Meske (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by www.gcfn.org with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:40:19.-0500@matronics.com (EST) Subject: RV-List: Re: Low Level Oil Sensor Hey Harley! The sensor is on the main page. You have to let the page load first. It takes awhile because of the graphic content. After it loads, page down. It is the 4th item down. I have added quite a few products this month. Rich www.aircraftextras.com PS, To all that are still in the process of building, it's worth it!! I am having lots of fun flying my RV-6 around and meeting other builders as well. > Rich, > > Where is the Low Level Oil sensor hidden on your web site? I have been > unable to find it. > > Harley ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:57 PM PST US From: "Fred Kunkel" Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Kunkel" .2495 is a common size reamer for press fit, close tolerance 1/4" fittings such as Hi-Loc & Hi Shear. However, we've never seen a .3124 reamer. You'll probably have to go .005 undersized for close tolerance &/or move up .001 to a full 5/16 (.3125) reamer. Blue Skies! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > 0.3110 02033116 15.02 from MSC Is as close as I could find. > > There are adjustables +.010 (5/16 134 4 02510204 $38.37) Don't know if it > could lose a 0.001 Why not just get the full 0.3125 and then use red > loctite for any slop? Might be cheaper and easier just to order precision > bolts for the few you will need. You aren't building a watch. > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: RV-List: reamers > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com > > > > Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the > 0249 > > but not the other. > > Thanks > > > > Lee Sahr > > Anoka MN > > RV-3 wing > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:24 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker You guys all keep stating 0.001" in your replies. Unless I am mistaken, the difference between 0.3124 and a standard 0.3125 reamer is 0.0001". I suspect that whoever needs this could use the 0.3125 just fine. Dick Tasker, 90573 Fred Kunkel wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Kunkel" > >.2495 is a common size reamer for press fit, close tolerance 1/4" fittings >such as Hi-Loc & Hi Shear. However, we've never seen a .3124 reamer. You'll >probably have to go .005 undersized for close tolerance &/or move up .001 to >a full 5/16 (.3125) reamer. > >Blue Skies! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cy Galley" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" >> >>0.3110 02033116 15.02 from MSC Is as close as I could find. >> >>There are adjustables +.010 (5/16 134 4 02510204 $38.37) Don't know if it >>could lose a 0.001 Why not just get the full 0.3125 and then use red >>loctite for any slop? Might be cheaper and easier just to order precision >>bolts for the few you will need. You aren't building a watch. >> >>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh >> >>Editor, EAA Safety Programs >>cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org >> >>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Subject: RV-List: reamers >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com >>> >>>Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the >>> >>> >>0249 >> >> >>>but not the other. >>>Thanks >>> >>>Lee Sahr >>>Anoka MN >>>RV-3 wing >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:19 PM PST US From: Leesafur@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com I found one at http://www.discount-tools.com/ful-1410d2.cfm Kind of pricey though. I'm building an RV-3 and with some of the problems that it has had in the past; I wanted to do it right and fallow the plans. I guess 0.0001 Isn't going to matter though? ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:43 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" As Ole Gummibear says "You measure it three times with a lazer (within .000001), mark it with a magic marker and then cut it with an ax". We spent 8 hrs drilling out and reaming the first hole. Then we read the directions and drilled & reamed all the rest at LOW speed and a LITTLE pressure in less than an hour. HRII N561FS We built an airplane not a moon lander. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: reamers > There are adjustables +.010 (5/16 134 4 02510204 $38.37) Don't know if it > could lose a 0.001 Why not just get the full 0.3125 and then use red > loctite for any slop? Might be cheaper and easier just to order precision > bolts for the few you will need. You aren't building a watch. > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:50 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Last minute It seems that in years past there has been more mention and discussion of the annual contribution drive than this year. I have no Idea how Matt is doing this year but I wanted to remind some of you who might not have gotten around to it yet just what we get out of his lists, or at least what I get out of them: With a few minutes at the keyboard you can get attention to your question or problem by some real experts on the subject who somehow all seem to be true gentlemen too. Over the years I have developed a deep respect for any comments or answers posted by Eustace Bowhay or Doug Rozendaal or Kevin Horton or Robert Nuckolls (Aeroelectric List) or Pat Hatch or Randy Levold or Sam Buchanon (smiley face here) or maybe a dozen others who always seem to have been there and done that, or maybe wrote the book about it or taught the class in it or maintain a website on it. Sometimes it takes a long time to really appreciate the depth of knowledge of these guys, individually and collectively. They never tell you that they wrote the book; they just give you a courteous and detailed answer to your question. After awhile you begin to realize what an extraordinary place we are in history where we can get such detailed answers to our questions from experts literally around the world. Matt's lists make it possible. We need to make sure he keeps on doing it. Send him some money. Terry Watson 6th year on an RV-8A; wires everywhere Seattle P.S. Don't miss Doug Rozendaal's article on "Surviving Engine Out in IMC" in the December issue of IFR magazine, even if you don't fly IFR Do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:50 PM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati Dick, Lucid, concise.....well said! Rick Galati RV-6A finishing --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker You guys all keep stating 0.001" in your replies.Unless I am mistaken, the difference between 0.3124 and a standard 0.3125 reamer is 0.0001".I suspect that whoever needs this could use the 0.3125 just fine.Dick Tasker, 90573 --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:46 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Wright Flyer down. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I just pulled this off the Bonanza list. See http://www.newsobserver.com/front/digest/story/3068683p-2795243c.html . The Flyer replica planned for use in the 12/17 reenactment at Kill Devil Hills has crashed with no injuries, and word is theyll have it repaired for the event. Remember, the original crashed on 12/14/1903it took two days to rebuild, but the Wrights promised their father (the Bishop) they would not fly on a Sunday, so they delayed the next attempt until Monday the 17th. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:34 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: P>C> Virus --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Rob Prior wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > > bert murillo wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" >> I have now a virus on my P.C. first time ever... >>question is , I bought the antivirus program "Norton" >>I loaded, after removing the old one, but nonetheless, >>I continue to receive the same trash, every time I log >>into the Rv-list .... >> >> > >I think Matt will back me up when I say that the likelyhood of you >receiving a virus from *this* RV-List (ie. the one based at Matronics) >is *extremely* low, even non-existent. If you've got something claiming >to be from "rv-list@matronics.com" that has a virus in it, let Matt know >as i'm sure he'd be interested in seeing it. > >If you've picked something up while browsing the Yahoo groups, I >wouldn't be surprised. Nothing against Yahoo, I use many of their >groups. But Yahoo doesn't control their advertisers very well and many >graphic ads have tracers embedded that track your browsing habits and >report back to some third-party servers. They could also conceivably >install various little annoying virii that way, if you have java and >javascript enabled by default. > > > >>Can some one give me some idea, what I had done wrong, or >>what is to be done? >> >> > >One thing you did wrong was to post a question about a virus to an RV >Discussion list... 8-) > >The solution is to run Norton or McAfee anti-virus software, and keep >the virus data files up-to-date (both Norton and McAfee have menu >options to update the files). Both Norton and McAfee have ways to >remove virii, or offer suggestions how to remove virii, when they are >found. Another useful program is AdAware, that looks for and removes >most of the annoying little virii that websites store as cookies on your >system. > >Hope this helps! > >Do not archive > The most effective thing you can do, at least at the present time, is to quit using Outlook for email & get non-Microsoft email software like Netscape or Eurdora. You will still get the unwanted emails, but your computer will be immune to them unless you actually double-click (run) a .exe attachment to an email. Charlie ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:19 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Just curious to know what you think is going to happen if you send it by credit card???? Jerry do not archive Elsa & Henry wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > >Hey Guys > I want to send a contribution, but no way by credit >card---so I'll send a check (Cheque where I came from). OK the instructions >give the address where to send it to, BUT who or what do we make the check >PAYABLE to?- Matronics?--Matt Dralle?--RV List? or-----? > HELP! > >Cheers!!--Henry Hore > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:00 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? (Credit card contribution) --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" >Just curious to know what you think is going to happen if you send it by >credit card???? >Jerry Probably nothing! But I have only joined cyberspace since the fall of 2001 when we were given our first PC from our daughter for our 50th anniversary and we are real rookies in this business. When I read about identity theft, hackers breaking into Pentagon computers, despite their security barriers, blah-blah, I'm thinking the various routes my credit card info goes through my ISP to the final destination through God knows who's data handlers , what's to prevent hackers tapping into those routes and down-loading data, so called security encoding notwithstanding? I may be considered paranoid in this, but so be it. I think the tried old "snail-mail" will work fine for us, thanks.What's the hurry? So it costs us $Can 0.68 for the mail stamp,-peanuts! By the same token, I'm very carefully to observe that there is no double-swiping of my credit card when I make purchases using it, as also I never give the card at a waiter in a restaurant where it will be used out of my sight. Cheers!!-----(paranoiac?)----Henry Hore DO NOT ARCHIVE. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:50 PM PST US From: "Mark Delano" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: reamers --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Delano" Manhattan supply has the reams you are looking for and they are not very expensive. They have an extensive web site @ http://www.mscdirect.com/ And huge print catalog. A very good company to do business Use the correct size it makes a difference. Mark Delano Tech councilor N85MD Flying ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Galati" Subject: RV-List: Re: reamers > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > Check with Grizzly, Discount-Tools, Pathon, Brown Tool, Cleaveland and Avery. All carry 5/16 ( .3125) reamers. > > Rick Galati RV-6A finishing > > > Does any body know where to find a 0.249 & 0.3124 reamer, I can find the 0249 > but not the other. > Thanks > > Lee Sahr > Anoka MN > RV-3 wing > > > --------------------------------- > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:57 PM PST US From: JDaniel343@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Heater question? LONG --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com HI Doug, On my RV-6 I have two heat muffs. Each to its own Vans heat box, the kind with the flapper. I have 1 1/2" air inlets to the scatt tube that feeds the cold air to the heat muff. I flew my daughter to Rochester, MN last year. When we arrived it was 10 F below, and my daughter and I were really cold. I spoke to a few RV types in the area and they made some suggestions. I took their advice and sealed up the cabin before we left. First I filled in the little V grooves in the back bulkhead with V shaped foam. I then used 1/4" rope type foam insulation and glued this to the front roll bar (I have a slider) where the slider frame hits the front roll bar. I then used this same rope type foam and glued it to the outside rail of the slider and the longeron. I also placed some 1/4" wide hollow rubber insulation tape (about 1/8" thick when compressed) along the edge of the turtle deck. When I close the canopy, the insulation gets compressed and seals this area. Someone also suggested 1/2" pipe insulation (the round gray kind you use to insulate hot water pipes). Cut this to the length of the rail that the rollers from the slider roll in. When you get in the plane, shut the canopy and place these pieces of insulation over the slider rail. I also taped over the NACA ducts on the outside. With these improvements, my daughter and I took off from Rochester, after spending 2 extra days hoping the weather would warm up, the temperature at departure was 12F below. Of course we had our jackets and gloves on but we were fairly comfortable and could feel heet on our feet. After about 1/2 hour we began turning the heat down. Of course by the time we arrived back in Casper, WY - 5 hours later, it was 45F above. The above tips worked for my plane. I believe most of the cold air comes in from the back. Although I could feel air coming in at the junction of the front roll bar and the slider canopy. I know you have a RV-4, but maybe some of these tips can help. I don't advise flying in such extreme conditions as we did. I usually won't fly if it get below 5F above. Good Luck and Happy Thanksgiving John Danielson RV-6 175 hrs. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:14 PM PST US From: "Dean" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" Henry Your check should be made out to " Matt Dralle Matronics ". Just scroll down past the bottom of this message (or here) and click on www.matronics.com/contribution . You can print out a form to send along with your check. All of the necessary info is there. Dean RV-9A Fuselage/Finish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Springer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last Minute...? > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > Just curious to know what you think is going to happen if you send it by > credit card???? > > Jerry > do not archive > > Elsa & Henry wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" > > > >Hey Guys > > I want to send a contribution, but no way by credit > >card---so I'll send a check (Cheque where I came from). OK the instructions > >give the address where to send it to, BUT who or what do we make the check > >PAYABLE to?- Matronics?--Matt Dralle?--RV List? or-----? > > HELP! > > > >Cheers!!--Henry Hore > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:22 PM PST US From: "C J Heitman" Subject: RV-List: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME --> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" I'm delighted to report that my RV-9A, N94ME, flew for the first time today. Everything was just about perfect. The only squawk was that the prop governor (McCauley) seemed a little too sensitive. The useable range only requires about 1/2" of travel on the prop control. I've posted a few more details about the first flights and some pictures here: http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html I would like to thank Matt Dralle for providing this forum and the RV Listers who freely share their knowledge. I'm certain the insights gained here contributed to today's successful outcome (yes, I did make my last-minute contribution to the list today). I would also like to thank test pilot Rick Vichich for making the first two flights before handing the airplane over to the low-time builder-pilot for the day's third flight. EAA Flight Advisor Jerry Thorpe and Technical Councilors Ron Scott and Fred Keip deserve special recognition as do the other members of EAA Chapters 18 and 1177 who were always willing to lend a hand or offer advice. Good friend Quinn Fiske handled the rivet gun in those areas that couldn't be riveted solo. Most importantly, I would like to thank my patient wife, Carla, for her help when an extra hand was needed in the workshop, for moral support and for looking the other way when the Visa statement arrived each month. Lastly, I want to thank Van's Aircraft for a great design and a fantastic kit. It's difficult to put into words the feeling of accomplishment that I am feeling right now. After nearly 4 years of effort, I can now clearly see that this labor of love was worth every minute. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving Day and this year I have something very special to be thankful for. Chris Heitman Builder #90025 Dousman WI RV-9A N94ME (flying!) http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html --- ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:55 PM PST US From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" Awesome!!! Inspiration for the rest of us! Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C J Heitman" Subject: RV-List: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME > --> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" > > I'm delighted to report that my RV-9A, N94ME, flew for the first time today. > Everything was just about perfect. The only squawk was that the prop > governor (McCauley) seemed a little too sensitive. The useable range only > requires about 1/2" of travel on the prop control. I've posted a few more > details about the first flights and some pictures here: > http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html > > I would like to thank Matt Dralle for providing this forum and the RV > Listers who freely share their knowledge. I'm certain the insights gained > here contributed to today's successful outcome (yes, I did make my > last-minute contribution to the list today). > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:04 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi Chris, WELL DONE! A hearty congratulations is in order! Now get that time flown off so you can fly it over here to Minneapolis and give me a ride! Cheers, Stein Bruch, RV6's, Minneapolis Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C J Heitman Subject: RV-List: First Flight for RV-9A N94ME --> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" I'm delighted to report that my RV-9A, N94ME, flew for the first time today. Everything was just about perfect. The only squawk was that the prop governor (McCauley) seemed a little too sensitive. The useable range only requires about 1/2" of travel on the prop control. I've posted a few more details about the first flights and some pictures here: http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html I would like to thank Matt Dralle for providing this forum and the RV Listers who freely share their knowledge. I'm certain the insights gained here contributed to today's successful outcome (yes, I did make my last-minute contribution to the list today). I would also like to thank test pilot Rick Vichich for making the first two flights before handing the airplane over to the low-time builder-pilot for the day's third flight. EAA Flight Advisor Jerry Thorpe and Technical Councilors Ron Scott and Fred Keip deserve special recognition as do the other members of EAA Chapters 18 and 1177 who were always willing to lend a hand or offer advice. Good friend Quinn Fiske handled the rivet gun in those areas that couldn't be riveted solo. Most importantly, I would like to thank my patient wife, Carla, for her help when an extra hand was needed in the workshop, for moral support and for looking the other way when the Visa statement arrived each month. Lastly, I want to thank Van's Aircraft for a great design and a fantastic kit. It's difficult to put into words the feeling of accomplishment that I am feeling right now. After nearly 4 years of effort, I can now clearly see that this labor of love was worth every minute. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving Day and this year I have something very special to be thankful for. Chris Heitman Builder #90025 Dousman WI RV-9A N94ME (flying!) http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html ---