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1. 04:31 AM - Dynon around Riverside?? (Dana Overall)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Going faster (Glen Matejcek)
3. 05:28 AM - Re: Propeller performance testing (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Propeller performance testing (Gordon and Marge)
5. 06:41 AM - anodizing (Frazier, Vincent A)
6. 07:30 AM - Re: Re;Going Faster (Hal Rozema)
7. 08:25 AM - Going Faster/vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: Dynon around Riverside?? (Dan Checkoway)
9. 09:14 AM - Re: Propeller performance testing (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
10. 09:38 AM - Re: Wright flyer up (David J. Dormer)
11. 09:58 AM - Combo Mill/Lathe (RV_8 Pilot)
12. 10:16 AM - Re: Wright flyer up (C. Rabaut)
13. 10:36 AM - Anyone with pics of Vans FWF kit installed on -8/A? (czechsix@juno.com)
14. 10:46 AM - Re: Wright flyer up (Randy Compton)
15. 10:50 AM - Re: Going Faster/vortex generators (Randy Compton)
16. 11:29 AM - Re: Handheld question (Dennis Keller)
17. 11:30 AM - FW: Re: an5812 pitot tube ()
18. 11:38 AM - Re: Wright Flyer down. (BMNellis.com)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: Combo Mill/Lathe (Dave)
20. 12:47 PM - Re: Wright flyer up (Dennis Keller)
21. 01:27 PM - Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco? (Dwight Frye)
22. 02:07 PM - Re: Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco? (Barry Pote)
23. 02:54 PM - Re: Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco? (Dwight Frye)
24. 02:56 PM - Re: Combo Mill/Lathe (Bill Dube)
25. 03:07 PM - fuel tank test? (Wilder, Scott)
26. 03:08 PM - Now Michael (Wheeler North)
27. 03:09 PM - batteries (Andy)
28. 03:17 PM - Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested (Tom Gummo)
29. 03:53 PM - Re: Wright flyer up (Dr. Leathers)
30. 04:20 PM - Re: batteries (J. R. Dial)
31. 04:39 PM - Re: Going Faster/vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
32. 04:51 PM - Re: Wright flyer up (Tommy Mead)
33. 04:56 PM - Re: Wright flyer up NOYZ (Phat Phil)
34. 05:16 PM - Re: batteries (Louis Willig)
35. 05:42 PM - Re: Wright flyer up (Jerry Springer)
36. 05:43 PM - Re: RV9A Empty Weights (C J Heitman)
37. 05:45 PM - Re: Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not (Jerry Springer)
38. 05:51 PM - Re: Going Faster/vortex generators (Jerry Springer)
39. 05:56 PM - Re: batteries (Bill Dube)
40. 06:19 PM - Re: Propeller performance testing (Gordon and Marge)
41. 06:40 PM - Re: Going Faster/vortex generators (Dean)
42. 06:46 PM - Re:Batteries (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
43. 06:59 PM - Tom & Jerry. 8*) (JOHN STARN)
44. 07:02 PM - Re: Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested (Charles Rowbotham)
45. 08:21 PM - Re: Wright flyer up (James E. Clark)
46. 08:36 PM - Re: Wright flyer up (James E. Clark)
47. 10:00 PM - Re: batteries (Tracy Crook)
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| Subject: | Dynon around Riverside?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Anybody on the list around LA have a Dynon on hand? I'm trying to hook up a
building on a plastic airplane list a look at a Dynon. He is about an hour
east of LA and an hour north of Orange County.
Let me know off the list and I'll provide an email address.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: Going faster |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>the vortices are intended to add some extra energy to the upper
>surface
has three (relatively) small vg's
protruding fwd from the UNDERSIDE of the outboard LE
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller performance testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/2003 9:52:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lors01@msn.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
What mixture did you run these tests at Jim? ROP? LOP? How many degrees?
Tracy Crook
The data was collected with the mixture ROP. (EGT just below 800 degrees C)
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Propeller performance testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: RV-List: Propeller performance testing
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
I have been getting performance data on an RV-6A with a Lyc. O-360-A1A
engine
and a Hartzell 2 blade propeller (HC-C2YK-ABF/F7666A-4).
Please note that the airspeed system is uncalibrated. Since the total
difference in airspeeds measured was only about 2 per cent of the total
airspeed, it
should still be fairly accurate data.
The data I collected was at 7,500 feet pressure altitude with the engine
at
full throttle.
gph RPM TIAS (mph)
11.2 2700 201
10.5 2600 203
10.1 2500 203
8.8 2400 200
7.9 2300 199
gph = fuel flow in gallons per hour
Jim Ayers
Jim: The above numbers support the comments made by others that the
Hartzell CS props don't produce more speed at the higher RPMs. Since
power produced is significantly higher at 2700 than at 2500, efficiency
must be down. One might assume that this is a deliberate attempt to
maximize the prop for cruise. Have you, or anyone you know, talked to
Hartzell about what it might take to make the prop best at 2700 and what
diminution of performance at cruise RPMs would result? Additionaly,
what effect would this have on takeoff and climb performance? My
testing of fixed pitch props show some decrease in efficiency at the
higher R's but nowhere near that much.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
those who were asking about anodizing... You can get anodizing stuff from www.caswellplating.com
They have anodizing kits from $275 and up. Not bad if you're gonna do a bunch
of parts and don't want to hassle with finding a pro to squeeze you into their
schedule.
I have also used their CopyChrome plating stuff with good results.
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: Re;Going Faster |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
I was working for Bill Lear during the time he was developing the first Lear Jet.
About a year into the program he added VGs to the wings and tail. He had been
running
every test he could conceive on the performance all the way through the test program
and on through the VG experiment. The VGs lowered the stalling speed by more than
10%
and while they never got a perfect set of tests (before GPS) it seemed that the
plane
was slightly faster in cruise and burned a tad less fuel over time. This was the
first
time I had any knowledge of Vortex Generators and how they worked.
Hal
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| Subject: | RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
After testing for a while with the VGs stuck on with tape (and losing a
few), I put them on with glue. I like flying fast and I like flying
slow--right on the edge of stalling--this is "feeling" the
airplane--looking outside--how maneuverable can you be?--how fast can
you go down/up with just the throttle?--can you fly without looking at
your instruments? BVG (before vg) it was largely a rudder thing for
directional control--AVG I can now use the ailerons (judiciously) and
even cross-control, angle-of-bank is increased and the AOA says my nose
(wings) points higher. Doing 3-way GPS runs, there is no difference in
top speed and at cruise speed there is no increase in fuel consumption
(VM-1000 is accurate to 0.1 gallon).
I like the vortex generators on a clipped RV wing.
Boyd.
Venice, FL
On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:35 PM, Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> I have added vortex generators on top of my RV-4 wings and it has very
> noticably lowered my stall and improved low speed stability. I see no
> difference in
> top speed. I don't have expensive test equipment so these are general
> observations.
> I have to make my final approach between trees at about 40 feet above
> ground
> in order to get onto the end of my runway (1100 foot grass strip). I
> wanted
> the improvement at low speed for that reason. Take-off is shorter
> also.
> Larry Vetterman has the VG's available.
>
>
> Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
> Charleston, Arkansas
> "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon around Riverside?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I'm an hour east of LA and have an installed Dynon in my non-flying (yet)
RV-7. I'm hangared at Chino Airport (CNO), which is a hop skip and a jump
from RAL.
doughnut archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Dynon around Riverside??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Anybody on the list around LA have a Dynon on hand? I'm trying to hook up
a
> building on a plastic airplane list a look at a Dynon. He is about an
hour
> east of LA and an hour north of Orange County.
>
> Let me know off the list and I'll provide an email address.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment
equipment,
> video game reviews, and more here.
> http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller performance testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 12/01/2003 5:33:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gcomfo@tc3net.com writes:
Jim: The above numbers support the comments made by others that the
Hartzell CS props don't produce more speed at the higher RPMs. Since
power produced is significantly higher at 2700 than at 2500, efficiency
must be down. One might assume that this is a deliberate attempt to
maximize the prop for cruise. Have you, or anyone you know, talked to
Hartzell about what it might take to make the prop best at 2700 and what
diminution of performance at cruise RPMs would result? Additionaly,
what effect would this have on takeoff and climb performance? My
testing of fixed pitch props show some decrease in efficiency at the
higher R's but nowhere near that much.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
Hi Gordon,
I see a significant change in fuel consumption between 2300 RPM and 2700 RPM.
I would have to look at the Lyc. O-360-A1A performance chart to see if there
is a significant increase in power. Without looking, I would guess that the
50% increase in fuel flow occurs with about a 15% to 20% increase in engine
power generated.
I was getting performance baseline data on the existing propeller on the
RV-6A.
MT Propeller is very good at designing cruise propellers. They custom design
the blade for the engine and performance specified.
For those that answered my informal survey on this list, everyone wanted a
cruise propeller. There was no interest in a racing propeller, even though it
was an option in the survey. Has that changed?
I am trying to get a racing propeller from MT Propeller for two different
types of racing RV's.
Jim Ayers
MT Propeller OEM Distributor for Harmon Rocket 2
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
List Members:
Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the Wright brothers
first flight are more concerned with political correctness than historical
accuracy. Now, wouldn't it be something if this woman flies the flyer "right"
into the ground???
DJD
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| Subject: | Combo Mill/Lathe |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I'd like to see if anyone has experience with any of these "cheap"/chinese
shop lathes and/or mills. I've seen a combination lathe/mill advertised in
the magazines for ~$1500, $2000 with accessories.
I plan to use it for occasionally light metal work. No production, heavy or
high precision. I know something like a Bridgeport or similar "would be
better". My question is simply whether these $1500-2000 tools are worth
$1500-2000. In my experience, some of these "cheap" tools are trash. Some
are worth their price.
Experienced comments would be appreciated.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
What again..??? What are the odds of that?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David J. Dormer <revdjd@gci.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>
> List Members:
>
> Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the Wright
brothers first flight are more concerned with political correctness than
historical accuracy. Now, wouldn't it be something if this woman flies the
flyer "right" into the ground???
>
> DJD
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone with pics of Vans FWF kit installed on -8/A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Guys,
I'm interested in getting some of the pre-made hoses that Vans offers for FWF items
like fuel, oil, and MAP. Does anyone have pics of their FWF installation
(preferrably on an -8 or -8A with O-360 and standard carb and C.S. setup) that
show the Van's FWF kit items installed? I'm especially interested in how the
hoses are routed for the fuel system, and where on the firewall the fuel/oil/MAP
pressure manifold is located to work with Van's hoses.
I know I could buy Van's plans for all this but it doesn't seem worth it just for
what I need. Had the FWF kit been available before I bought half the stuff
I needed, I probly would have got it from Vans...
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>
> List Members:
>
> Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the Wright
brothers first flight are more >concerned with political correctness than
historical accuracy.
Sure looks that way, doesn't it?
But be careful pointing it out, though, because the "big tent" tolerant
bunch have no room in that tent for what they call the good ol' boys club,
and will make cutesy fun of those deemed not as "progressive" as they.
Tolerance, you see, only goes one way.
Which is why, I suppose, I should have clarified myself when I stated that I
wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show going
down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
RC
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
How many vg's do you have on each wing? And where are they placed?
RC
RV-3 N148CW
Gulf Breeze, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> After testing for a while with the VGs stuck on with tape (and losing a
> few), I put them on with glue. I like flying fast and I like flying
> slow--right on the edge of stalling--this is "feeling" the
> airplane--looking outside--how maneuverable can you be?--how fast can
> you go down/up with just the throttle?--can you fly without looking at
> your instruments? BVG (before vg) it was largely a rudder thing for
> directional control--AVG I can now use the ailerons (judiciously) and
> even cross-control, angle-of-bank is increased and the AOA says my nose
> (wings) points higher. Doing 3-way GPS runs, there is no difference in
> top speed and at cruise speed there is no increase in fuel consumption
> (VM-1000 is accurate to 0.1 gallon).
>
> I like the vortex generators on a clipped RV wing.
>
> Boyd.
> Venice, FL
>
>
> On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:35 PM, Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
> >
> > I have added vortex generators on top of my RV-4 wings and it has very
> > noticably lowered my stall and improved low speed stability. I see no
> > difference in
> > top speed. I don't have expensive test equipment so these are general
> > observations.
> > I have to make my final approach between trees at about 40 feet above
> > ground
> > in order to get onto the end of my runway (1100 foot grass strip). I
> > wanted
> > the improvement at low speed for that reason. Take-off is shorter
> > also.
> > Larry Vetterman has the VG's available.
> >
> >
> > Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> > RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
> > Charleston, Arkansas
> > "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dennis Keller <dennis@bullamanka.com>
I've been using a Yaesu Aviator Pro II as a backup and it works very
well. I've received comments that it sounds better than my built-in Val
760. Cigarette adaptor available. Only bummer is it uses an SMA antenna
connection, so you have to purchase an SMA/BNC converter ($11).
I believe the Yaesu brand name has been replaced by Vertex Standard now.
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 22:45, JOHN STARN wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> My old Sporty's 200 gave up the ghost when something melted inside. It was
> used when I bought it 4 years ago and was well used and worked great 'til
> the day it quit. I'm going to buy a replacement transceiver and am asking
> for suggections. The Sporty's new & improved SP200A at $279.00 is larger
> than most of the new models but has all of my requirements.
> We used the old one for the radio communitions when flying the Champ for
> tail wheel training while building the HRII. The old one could not be
> plugged into an outside power source such as a cigarette lighter, the new
> SP200A can. The Nav part is not important but nice to have as a backup. I've
> read the reports but am looking for opinions and the listers all seem to
> have at least one on every subject. Thanks in advance. Do Not Archive
> KABONG
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Re: an5812 pitot tube |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Good info from Mr. Gretz...thought I would pass it along.
Scott Haskins
RV7A Wings
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| Subject: | Wright Flyer down. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BMNellis.com" <mike@bmnellis.com>
I love it when you do this Bill.
Mike
*
* --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
*
* Ok, so I didn't want to get into this either, and I'm sure I'll
* get a lot of
* flames for this one....but it seems to me that the 100 year anniversary of
* the first powered flight already happened... Over two years ago...
*
* http://vondane.com/rv8a/first/index.htm
*
* -Bill
* do not archive!
*
*
* ----- Original Message -----
* From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
* To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
* Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright Flyer down.
*
*
* --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
*
* Randy Compton wrote:
*
* >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton"
* <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
* >
* >Sorry, but it's hard for me to get too excited about this
* centennial thing,
* >seeing as Orville has been morphed into a woman for the "First Flight"
* >reenactment.
* >
* Not yet. They'll flip a coin to decide whether Terry Queijo (the Gal)or
* Kevin Kochersberger The guy (I think)get the flight. But since
* she crashed
* it ......
* Linn
*
* > But then again, in our brave new world, this should hardly
* >come as a surprise.
* >
* >So much for historical accuracy, but at least the PC feel-good crowd will
* be
* >comfortable.
* >
* >Randy Compton
* >RV-3
* >Gulf Breeze, FL
* >
* >Do Not Archive
* >
* >
*
*
*
*
*
*
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| Subject: | Re: Combo Mill/Lathe |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
> I'd like to see if anyone has experience with any of these "cheap"/chinese
> shop lathes and/or mills. I've seen a combination lathe/mill advertised
in
> the magazines for ~$1500, $2000 with accessories.
Bryan,
Here are some bbs references that cater to the machinist/hobby group, that
may help.
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/ubbs/Ultimate.cgi
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi
http://www.chaski-test.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dennis Keller <dennis@bullamanka.com>
The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
See ya.
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:46, Randy Compton wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
> >
> > List Members:
> >
> > Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the Wright
> brothers first flight are more >concerned with political correctness than
> historical accuracy.
>
> Sure looks that way, doesn't it?
>
> But be careful pointing it out, though, because the "big tent" tolerant
> bunch have no room in that tent for what they call the good ol' boys club,
> and will make cutesy fun of those deemed not as "progressive" as they.
> Tolerance, you see, only goes one way.
>
> Which is why, I suppose, I should have clarified myself when I stated that I
> wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show going
> down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
> achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
> amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
>
> RC
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
I picked up a Semco pneumatic sealant gun cheap on eBay and am now
wondering which cartridge to get for it. If any of you have used a
Semco gun with a 6-inch barrel can you clue me in? :)
If you look on the ACS page for the sealant there are two different
cartridge products listed. The first is halfway down the page and is
a 6.0oz cartridge with a plunger selling for $21.35 (P/N 09-38510).
The other is lower down on the page and sells for much cheaper. This
of couse makes me guess it is NOT the one I want, as there is no way
I could get off that cheap. :) It is P/N 09-38555. The page in question
is : http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/tankseal.php
I called ACS and they have no clue. Somehow I feel sure that one of you
out there has had to figure it out ... and can enlighten me! Thanks!
-- Dwight
RV-7 / finishing wings / QB fuselage in shop
http://www.openweave.org/RV7
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Pote" <barrypote@comcast.net>
went to my freezer and got one out. acs 09-38510 6oz
Barry Pote, soon to be in Virginia and building again
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight@openweave.org>
Subject: RV-List: Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>
> I picked up a Semco pneumatic sealant gun cheap on eBay and am now
> wondering which cartridge to get for it. If any of you have used a
> Semco gun with a 6-inch barrel can you clue me in? :)
>
> If you look on the ACS page for the sealant there are two different
> cartridge products listed. The first is halfway down the page and is
> a 6.0oz cartridge with a plunger selling for $21.35 (P/N 09-38510).
>
> The other is lower down on the page and sells for much cheaper. This
> of couse makes me guess it is NOT the one I want, as there is no way
> I could get off that cheap. :) It is P/N 09-38555. The page in question
> is : http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/tankseal.php
>
> I called ACS and they have no clue. Somehow I feel sure that one of you
> out there has had to figure it out ... and can enlighten me! Thanks!
>
> -- Dwight
> RV-7 / finishing wings / QB fuselage in shop
> http://www.openweave.org/RV7
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Barry,
Super! Thanks for the info. I thought that might be the one (since it is,
of course, the expensive choice) but I thought I would double-check. :)
-- Dwight
do not archive
On Mon Dec 1 17:05:56 2003, Barry Pote wrote :
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Pote" <barrypote@comcast.net>
>
>went to my freezer and got one out. acs 09-38510 6oz
>Barry Pote, soon to be in Virginia and building again
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight@openweave.org>
>To: "RV Mailing List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Which Proseal Cartridge for Semco?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>>
>> I picked up a Semco pneumatic sealant gun cheap on eBay and am now
>> wondering which cartridge to get for it. If any of you have used a
>> Semco gun with a 6-inch barrel can you clue me in? :)
>>
>> If you look on the ACS page for the sealant there are two different
>> cartridge products listed. The first is halfway down the page and is
>> a 6.0oz cartridge with a plunger selling for $21.35 (P/N 09-38510).
>>
>> The other is lower down on the page and sells for much cheaper. This
>> of couse makes me guess it is NOT the one I want, as there is no way
>> I could get off that cheap. :) It is P/N 09-38555. The page in question
>> is : http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/tankseal.php
>>
>> I called ACS and they have no clue. Somehow I feel sure that one of you
>> out there has had to figure it out ... and can enlighten me! Thanks!
>>
>> -- Dwight
>> RV-7 / finishing wings / QB fuselage in shop
>> http://www.openweave.org/RV7
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Combo Mill/Lathe |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
> > I'd like to see if anyone has experience with any of these "cheap"/chinese
> > shop lathes and/or mills. I've seen a combination lathe/mill advertised
>in
> > the magazines for ~$1500, $2000 with accessories.
Very often, you can get more for your money by buying a used good
quality lathe or milling machine, rather than a new low quality machine.
The combo machines are often not very useful, accurate, or powerful.
A friend of mine just bought a Bridgeport Series II milling
machine (with dead electronics) for just $600 on Ebay. (This worked out to
a little less than $0.10 per pound.) Of course, he had to pay $100 to get
it to his driveway, and another $300 to move it into his garage. The
electronics was replaced with more modern controls for about $700. To my
buddy, replacing the electronics was like fixing a flat tire to you or me.
Here are pictures of an identical mill.
http://www.timgoldstein.com/cnc/bridgettpic.asp
This same buddy sells a very slick small CNC mill package:
http://www.denvercnc.com/taig.htm
I have a quite useful, but simplistic ENCO brand mill:
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=18
CNC retrofit for my mill:
http://www.ajaxcnc.com/cncgrizzlymilldrill.htm
The advantage of CNC is that you can make three-dimensional shapes
nearly directly from a 3-D drafting package. The disadvantage of CNC is
that they are complicated and take computer knowledge to use effectively.
Ebay is a very good source for good used machine tools.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott" <SWilder@LOWEENTERPRISES.com>
Should I test for leaks before installing the rear baffle? Do not
Archive.
Scott Wilder
Chief Engineer - Emerald Point
Lowe Enterprises Real Estate Group
5130 Hacienda Drive Suite 100
Dublin, CA 94568
925-875-1313 office
925-875-1236 fax
925-383-9732 mobile
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
what have you got against the natural male desire to creatively reenact the
wonderfully sexist attitude of our previous century.
I say lets get down to it, henceforth on Dec 17th no voting for women, no
smoking, no tearing off of mattress tags, dammit, I want to see barefoot and
pregnant across the board, and none of this flying about willy nilly.
And what about poor Mr. Taylor, can you imagine the trouble they'd have had
if they let women fool around with him while he was inventing the darned
engine. Oh my,,, they could have done the first flight on a Wankel of all
things, and the tail wheel would have been on the nose, the primer would
have been on the top layer, the slider would have tipped up, and the tail
feathers would have been on the front,
oh,
they were,
Well, see there, it just goes to show you, there must have been a woman
involved after all, its no wonder the darned thing is soooo unstable,
so what are we talking about?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My word. How does one respond to that?
Yeah, I'm bumbed too that they didn't find two brothers, one sort of
skinny, one a little chubby to do the flying. And what do these
whippersnappers know about bicycles anyway, I'd like to know? And, Lord
knows, having some WOMAN fly the thing; think how that is going to
inspire more WOMEN to get into aviation. Too bad. What are the Good Ol'
Boys gonna think about that? That is certainly going to distract ME from
celebrating one of the most amazing feats in human history that has
since inspired us all and given us the tools to take to the air. This
should NOT also be a celebration of the cross section of people involved
in aviation! I spit on the ground. HA. Who ever thought this should be a
celebration of the aviation community and what a wonderful, diverse
activity it has become? I want the MOVIE.......
Oh, wait. I'll bet you were being serious. This wasn't a joke? Sorry.
Michael
Do not archive.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
After 6 years of forgetting to turn off the mags, and now the forgetting the Lightspeed
ignition, my 6 year old battery is finally dead for good.
So what's the latest and greatest in the battery world today?
Andy
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| Subject: | Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested
> The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
> not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
>
> See ya.
Well don't let the door hit you in the ... on the way out.
If you think this list is just spam, why add to it.
JUST LEAVE and leave us alone, no good bye message needed.
As I see it, there are at least three stages for people on this list:
1. Before building, testing the waters, etc.
2. Building.
3. After building or Flying.
We all have our favorite questions from each phase. What rivet gun, tandem
or side-by-side, to prime or not to prime, etc.
Do we need three lists for the different stages? Of course not, if all the
stage three folks picked up and moved to a flying only list, who would
answer some of those builder questions. If the builders were not on the
stage one list, who would answer their questions?
I would like to add one more stage - FRIENDS. Yes, friends. When I see a
message from someone I know, from either the List, a phone call or a
face-to-face visit, I always stop to see what they have to say. (Yes Doug,
I read the ice article. Yes, it was good. NO, the F-4 was too fast for ice
to form.) I have had several people who I have met on the list show up and
it was just like we were old friends.
To answer the question of why I stay on the Matronics Lists, I like planes
of all types, I like pilots and people who like to fly, I like to talk about
flying, I like building my plane, and most of all, I like the people on
these Lists.
Yes, once in a while the subject matter drifts away from the main reasons of
these list but they quickly self adjust and get back to building or flying.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
I agree,
I thought this list was moderated????
Doc
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Keller" <dennis@bullamanka.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dennis Keller <dennis@bullamanka.com>
>
> The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
> not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
>
> See ya.
>
> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:46, Randy Compton wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
> > >
> > > List Members:
> > >
> > > Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the
Wright
> > brothers first flight are more >concerned with political correctness
than
> > historical accuracy.
> >
> > Sure looks that way, doesn't it?
> >
> > But be careful pointing it out, though, because the "big tent" tolerant
> > bunch have no room in that tent for what they call the good ol' boys
club,
> > and will make cutesy fun of those deemed not as "progressive" as they.
> > Tolerance, you see, only goes one way.
> >
> > Which is why, I suppose, I should have clarified myself when I stated
that I
> > wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show
going
> > down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
> > achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
> > amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
> >
> > RC
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Not being smart, but I would replace that battery with one just
like it.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Subject: RV-List: batteries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
After 6 years of forgetting to turn off the mags, and now the forgetting
the Lightspeed ignition, my 6 year old battery is finally dead for good.
So what's the latest and greatest in the battery world today?
Andy
=
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Randy--
The kit comes with a paper template. You snap a chalk line (12"?) back
from the leading edge and then place the VGs in cut outs in the
template. I think (WAG, from memory) there are 16 on each wing and
they're arranged in pairs that are angled towards each other. The kit
is for the -4 and -6 but the template is longer than the wing (with
extra VGs) so I don't see why it couldn't be used for the -3, -7, -8,
-9, since the airfoil is the same. (For certificated airplanes
(Cessna, etc) the same kit is $1,000 more). The glue is a hotsy-totsy
contact cement (like they use to put the rear view mirror on the inside
of the car windshield).
Boyd.
Venice, FL
do not archive
On Monday, December 1, 2003, at 01:51 PM, Randy Compton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton"
> <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
>
> How many vg's do you have on each wing? And where are they placed?
>
> RC
> RV-3 N148CW
> Gulf Breeze, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>
>> After testing for a while with the VGs stuck on with tape (and losing
>> a
>> few), I put them on with glue. I like flying fast and I like flying
>> slow--right on the edge of stalling--this is "feeling" the
>> airplane--looking outside--how maneuverable can you be?--how fast can
>> you go down/up with just the throttle?--can you fly without looking at
>> your instruments? BVG (before vg) it was largely a rudder thing for
>> directional control--AVG I can now use the ailerons (judiciously) and
>> even cross-control, angle-of-bank is increased and the AOA says my
>> nose
>> (wings) points higher. Doing 3-way GPS runs, there is no difference
>> in
>> top speed and at cruise speed there is no increase in fuel consumption
>> (VM-1000 is accurate to 0.1 gallon).
>>
>> I like the vortex generators on a clipped RV wing.
>>
>> Boyd.
>> Venice, FL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:35 PM, Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>>>
>>> I have added vortex generators on top of my RV-4 wings and it has
>>> very
>>> noticably lowered my stall and improved low speed stability. I see no
>>> difference in
>>> top speed. I don't have expensive test equipment so these are
>>> general
>>> observations.
>>> I have to make my final approach between trees at about 40 feet above
>>> ground
>>> in order to get onto the end of my runway (1100 foot grass strip). I
>>> wanted
>>> the improvement at low speed for that reason. Take-off is shorter
>>> also.
>>> Larry Vetterman has the VG's available.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
>>> RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
>>> Charleston, Arkansas
>>> "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> _-
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> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:54:15 -0600
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Mead" <bigun73@msn.com>
If the "reenactment" was to be accurate, shouldn't the builders be the ones to
fly the plane?
just my $2.00 worth.
Tommy Mead
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Compton
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>
> List Members:
>
> Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the Wright
brothers first flight are more >concerned with political correctness than
historical accuracy.
Sure looks that way, doesn't it?
But be careful pointing it out, though, because the "big tent" tolerant
bunch have no room in that tent for what they call the good ol' boys club,
and will make cutesy fun of those deemed not as "progressive" as they.
Tolerance, you see, only goes one way.
Which is why, I suppose, I should have clarified myself when I stated that I
wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show going
down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
RC
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up NOYZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phat Phil <phugoid@comcast.net>
What the heck ever gave ya that idea Doc?
BTW posting like yours and Dennis's (mine too) just contribute to the noise.
Phil
Dr. Leathers wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
>I agree,
>
>I thought this list was moderated????
>
>Doc
>do not archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dennis Keller" <dennis@bullamanka.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dennis Keller <dennis@bullamanka.com>
>>
>>The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
>>not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
>>
>>See ya.
>>
>>On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:46, Randy Compton wrote:
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>>>>
>>>>List Members:
>>>>
>>>>Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the
>>>>
>Wright
>
>>>brothers first flight are more >concerned with political correctness
>>>
>than
>
>>>historical accuracy.
>>>
>>>Sure looks that way, doesn't it?
>>>
>>>But be careful pointing it out, though, because the "big tent" tolerant
>>>bunch have no room in that tent for what they call the good ol' boys
>>>
>club,
>
>>>and will make cutesy fun of those deemed not as "progressive" as they.
>>>Tolerance, you see, only goes one way.
>>>
>>>Which is why, I suppose, I should have clarified myself when I stated
>>>
>that I
>
>>>wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show
>>>
>going
>
>>>down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
>>>achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
>>>amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
>>>
>>>RC
>>>
>>>Do Not Archive
>>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
At 04:08 PM 12/1/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>After 6 years of forgetting to turn off the mags, and now the forgetting
>the Lightspeed ignition, my 6 year old battery is finally dead for good.
>
>So what's the latest and greatest in the battery world today?
Andy,
When you get done reading the responses to this question, you will almost
certainly decide on an AGM (absorbed glass mat) battery. The one currently
most popular is the Oddessy 680. This battery is incredibly small and
lightweight. When I look at my 4 year old "680", I can not believe how
flawlessly it has performed in hot or cold weather, especially with
my fuel injected I0-360 when starting hot. At about $80.00 delivered
to your door, you can't go wrong.
Louis
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
" Miss Viagra"
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| Subject: | Re: Wright flyer up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
don't let the door hit......well you know.
Jerry
do not archive
Dennis Keller wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dennis Keller <dennis@bullamanka.com>
>
>The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
>not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
>
>See ya.
>
>On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:46, Randy Compton wrote:
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright flyer up
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" <revdjd@gci.net>
>>>
>>>List Members:
>>>
>>>Why all the consternation? Those staging this "reenactment" of the Wright
>>>
>>>
>>brothers first flight are more >concerned with political correctness than
>>historical accuracy.
>>
>>Sure looks that way, doesn't it?
>>
>>But be careful pointing it out, though, because the "big tent" tolerant
>>bunch have no room in that tent for what they call the good ol' boys club,
>>and will make cutesy fun of those deemed not as "progressive" as they.
>>Tolerance, you see, only goes one way.
>>
>>Which is why, I suppose, I should have clarified myself when I stated that I
>>wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show going
>>down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
>>achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
>>amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
>>
>>RC
>>
>>Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV9A Empty Weights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
Here's one more data point:
1083 lbs. (no external paint and no upper gear leg intersection fairings)
IO-320-D1A (Bendix injection)
Hartzell CS prop
All electric IFR panel (MX20 not yet installed - but prewired)
Backup SD-8 alternator
2 axis TruTrak autopilot
slider canopy
CG is fairly far forward with single pilot and no baggage (run out of trim
in landing configuration).
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (flying!)
http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
-----Original Message-----
I'd sure like to get a few more data points from those of you flying RV9A's
with O-320's and constant speed props. Anyone else? Thanks, Roger.
---
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| Subject: | Re: Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not |
interested
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Tom Gummo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested
>
>
>
>>The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
>>not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
>>
>>See ya.
>>
>>
>
>Well don't let the door hit you in the ... on the way out.
>
>
Should have read your message before writing mine. :-)
do not archive
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Boyd Braem wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
>Randy--
>
>The kit comes with a paper template. You snap a chalk line (12"?) back
>from the leading edge and then place the VGs in cut outs in the
>template. I think (WAG, from memory) there are 16 on each wing and
>they're arranged in pairs that are angled towards each other. The kit
>is for the -4 and -6 but the template is longer than the wing (with
>extra VGs) so I don't see why it couldn't be used for the -3, -7, -8,
>-9,
>
>The -9 uses a different airfoil, don't know if that would make location different
or not.
>
Jerry
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
At 04:08 PM 12/1/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>After 6 years of forgetting to turn off the mags, and now the forgetting
>the Lightspeed ignition, my 6 year old battery is finally dead for good.
>
>So what's the latest and greatest in the battery world today?
These are the batteries that I run in my electric drag bike:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=1907
It is the hottest battery I have been able to find. The specs are
quite a bit better than the Hawker batteries most folks presently use in
their RVs, it also weighs a bit less, and it costs a bit less. I don't know
if anyone has actually flown one yet, however.
I have load tested quite a few different brands of batteries, as
have my EV drag racing buddies, and these appear to produce the most
amperage per pound. The 26 SVR-14 batteries I run in my electric drag bike
have not given me any trouble when I stayed below 900 amps. I burst one
when I overheated the pack and then attempted to draw just over 900 amps
for 10 seconds. It must have been a "runt" because the rest of them had no
problems.
If you are curious, you can see my electric drag bike at:
http://www.killacycle.com
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| Subject: | Propeller performance testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Propeller performance testing
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi Gordon,
For those that answered my informal survey on this list, everyone wanted
a
cruise propeller. There was no interest in a racing propeller, even
though it
was an option in the survey. Has that changed?
I am trying to get a racing propeller from MT Propeller for two
different
types of racing RV's.
Jim Ayers
Jim: I don't know that a prop optimized for 2700 r's would necessarily
be desireable. My curiosity lies with the question of what the losses
would be for such a prop at lower speeds. Looking at the altitude
charts is frustrating because our aircraft types seem to fall outside
the curves, but it looks like the power decrease from 2700 to 2300 would
be somewhere between 10 and 15hp. This hp is essentially lost in level
flight and it seems a shame. On the other hand, if the prop were
optimized at 27k and performance was down 3 or 4% at 24/25k that
wouldn't be too nifty either. I just wonder how it would really work
out.
Gordon Comfort
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Boyd, Randy, Bob
Before anyone starts putting VG's on the RV-9/9A, understand that it has a
totally different airfoil with shorter chord, greater span than the other
RVs, large slotted flaps, and a stall speed already approx 7 mph slower than
the other models. Just a friendly note of caution from an old Flight Test
Engineer.
Dean
RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> Randy--
>
> The kit comes with a paper template. You snap a chalk line (12"?) back
> from the leading edge and then place the VGs in cut outs in the
> template. I think (WAG, from memory) there are 16 on each wing and
> they're arranged in pairs that are angled towards each other. The kit
> is for the -4 and -6 but the template is longer than the wing (with
> extra VGs) so I don't see why it couldn't be used for the -3, -7, -8,
> -9, since the airfoil is the same. (For certificated airplanes
> (Cessna, etc) the same kit is $1,000 more). The glue is a hotsy-totsy
> contact cement (like they use to put the rear view mirror on the inside
> of the car windshield).
>
> Boyd.
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On Monday, December 1, 2003, at 01:51 PM, Randy Compton wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton"
> > <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > How many vg's do you have on each wing? And where are they placed?
> >
> > RC
> > RV-3 N148CW
> > Gulf Breeze, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List:Going Faster/vortex generators
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> After testing for a while with the VGs stuck on with tape (and losing
> >> a
> >> few), I put them on with glue. I like flying fast and I like flying
> >> slow--right on the edge of stalling--this is "feeling" the
> >> airplane--looking outside--how maneuverable can you be?--how fast can
> >> you go down/up with just the throttle?--can you fly without looking at
> >> your instruments? BVG (before vg) it was largely a rudder thing for
> >> directional control--AVG I can now use the ailerons (judiciously) and
> >> even cross-control, angle-of-bank is increased and the AOA says my
> >> nose
> >> (wings) points higher. Doing 3-way GPS runs, there is no difference
> >> in
> >> top speed and at cruise speed there is no increase in fuel consumption
> >> (VM-1000 is accurate to 0.1 gallon).
> >>
> >> I like the vortex generators on a clipped RV wing.
> >>
> >> Boyd.
> >> Venice, FL
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:35 PM, Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
> >>>
> >>> I have added vortex generators on top of my RV-4 wings and it has
> >>> very
> >>> noticably lowered my stall and improved low speed stability. I see no
> >>> difference in
> >>> top speed. I don't have expensive test equipment so these are
> >>> general
> >>> observations.
> >>> I have to make my final approach between trees at about 40 feet above
> >>> ground
> >>> in order to get onto the end of my runway (1100 foot grass strip). I
> >>> wanted
> >>> the improvement at low speed for that reason. Take-off is shorter
> >>> also.
> >>> Larry Vetterman has the VG's available.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> >>> RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
> >>> Charleston, Arkansas
> >>> "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I use the Odyssey 925 in My Rv-4. I took the Gel-Cel out and put it in my
antique Farmall that I mow the runway with.
In learning the hot-start procedure for my Bendix PS-5 carb. I really put the
Odyssey to the test on hot summer days. It came through just great. Hot or
cold it outperforms the others by a bunch.
Either the 680 ,or if you want LOTS of reserve ,the 925 will keep you happy.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Tom & Jerry. 8*) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Right on Tom. It would appear that there are some very opinionated people at
the HRII hanger at APV. BUT if the door is open everyone is always welcome.
I can't think of any mode of communication that offers information and
friendship from around the world as the RV, Rocket lists. If you don't have
a SOAP BOX, go get one, we still have freedom of speech in the U.S. KABONG
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not
interested
> Tom Gummo wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> >>The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
> >>not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
> >>
> >>See ya.
> >Well don't let the door hit you in the ... on the way out.
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| Subject: | Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Thanks Tom !
Chuck Rowbotham
Niantic, CT
RV-8A
>From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not
>interested
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:17:38 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>Leaving the List - ON THE SOAP BOX - Delete now if not interested
>
> > The pointless chatter on this list is deafening! Friends have told me
> > not to bother with the Matronics lists, I guess this is why.
> >
> > See ya.
>
>Well don't let the door hit you in the ... on the way out.
>If you think this list is just spam, why add to it.
>JUST LEAVE and leave us alone, no good bye message needed.
>
>As I see it, there are at least three stages for people on this list:
>1. Before building, testing the waters, etc.
>2. Building.
>3. After building or Flying.
>
>We all have our favorite questions from each phase. What rivet gun, tandem
>or side-by-side, to prime or not to prime, etc.
>
>Do we need three lists for the different stages? Of course not, if all the
>stage three folks picked up and moved to a flying only list, who would
>answer some of those builder questions. If the builders were not on the
>stage one list, who would answer their questions?
>
>I would like to add one more stage - FRIENDS. Yes, friends. When I see a
>message from someone I know, from either the List, a phone call or a
>face-to-face visit, I always stop to see what they have to say. (Yes Doug,
>I read the ice article. Yes, it was good. NO, the F-4 was too fast for ice
>to form.) I have had several people who I have met on the list show up and
>it was just like we were old friends.
>
>To answer the question of why I stay on the Matronics Lists, I like planes
>of all types, I like pilots and people who like to fly, I like to talk
>about
>flying, I like building my plane, and most of all, I like the people on
>these Lists.
>
>Yes, once in a while the subject matter drifts away from the main reasons
>of
>these list but they quickly self adjust and get back to building or flying.
>
>Tom Gummo
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Michael (or is it Kosta?),
You took the words right out of my mouth!! Actually, you were much more
eloquent than I would have been. So I waited before responding.
When I heard that the plane was down for a while, it was no big deal for me.
One of the PILOTS(!) had had a little crash (JUST LIKE the Wright
brothers!).
I also knew that one of the "final four" was a woman (good for her) and that
she (like all the others) "has skills". If this was about "political
correctness" (or even total historical "correctness"), there are MANY other
factors that would have to have been handled other than GENDER.
So what if the pilot that flys this thing **happens** to be a *woman* from
Florida/California/New York or South Dakota/Carolina, and never even rode a
bicycle, ... its about the event of the recreation of the plane flying again
under similar conditions. If we are going to be all "correct", the men
chosen would have to have their business "tended" to by their sister while
they are gone so they would have the coins to go of and play with such
"newfangled notions".
And since Van is a male, we had best not have any of them there females
trying to build one of these things ... the earth might just stop rotating.
:-)
Ooopppss!!! I had better not let my partner who did most of the work on our
RV (and holds the repairman's certificate) see this. She might not realize
that it just isn't correct for women to be involved in this flying stuff on
an "equal footing". And who knows, the airplane might find out and decide
not to fly anymore. :-)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kosta Lewis
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Wright flyer up
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> >Sorry, but it's hard for me to get too excited about this centennial
> thing,
> >seeing as Orville has been morphed into a woman for the "First Flight"
> >reenactment........
>
> My word. How does one respond to that?
>
> Yeah, I'm bumbed too that they didn't find two brothers, one sort of
> skinny, one a little chubby to do the flying. And what do these
> whippersnappers know about bicycles anyway, I'd like to know? And, Lord
> knows, having some WOMAN fly the thing; think how that is going to
> inspire more WOMEN to get into aviation. Too bad. What are the Good Ol'
> Boys gonna think about that? That is certainly going to distract ME from
> celebrating one of the most amazing feats in human history that has
> since inspired us all and given us the tools to take to the air. This
> should NOT also be a celebration of the cross section of people involved
> in aviation! I spit on the ground. HA. Who ever thought this should be a
> celebration of the aviation community and what a wonderful, diverse
> activity it has become? I want the MOVIE.......
>
> Oh, wait. I'll bet you were being serious. This wasn't a joke? Sorry.
>
> Michael
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
RC,
Given that your interest is in " ... the actual achievement of the Wright's
...", why is it such a big deal that one of the people highlighting that is
a woman?
I too see this as being about the achievement and the craft/technology used
to accomplish it ... not what the people looked like. Otherwise, the program
would have needed to find a couple of "look-a-likes" for Orville and Wilbur.
I say many do in fact grasp the point, yet have no problem with the pilot
**potentially** being a woman. We still do not know who will fly on the "big
day".
James
> wasn't "too excited about this centennial thing." It's the PC show going
> down at Kill Devil Hills that I've lost interest in, not the actual
> achievement of the Wright's and all that has followed. Apparently some
> amongst us missed, or was unable to grasp, this point.
>
> RC
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Bill, have you tested for amp hour capacity per pound as well as cranking amp capacity?
Us alternative engine types are especially interested in that since
that's all we have between us and silence when the alternator quits. My present
battery gives me 22 AH for 15 lbs. Good for about 1 hour of flight after
TU on alternator.
Tracy Crook
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Dube
Subject: Re: RV-List: batteries
>snip<
I have load tested quite a few different brands of batteries, as
have my EV drag racing buddies, and these appear to produce the most
amperage per pound. The 26 SVR-14 batteries I run in my electric drag bike
have not given me any trouble when I stayed below 900 amps. I burst one
when I overheated the pack and then attempted to draw just over 900 amps
for 10 seconds. It must have been a "runt" because the rest of them had no
problems.
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