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1. 12:22 AM - A Special Thank You - List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: RV 8 Baffles (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
3. 05:54 AM - Fuel Tank Leaks-Weep Testing (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: RV 8 Baffles (Bill VonDane)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: AFS Waterbourne painting (P M Condon)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
7. 07:29 AM - Building solo (C P)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: AFS Waterbourne painting (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
9. 07:59 AM - Re: Building solo (Ed Anderson)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: Building solo (Ron Calhoun)
11. 08:40 AM - Re: Building solo (Boyd Braem)
12. 08:56 AM - Re: Building solo (Keith Vasey)
13. 08:59 AM - Re: AFS Waterbourne painting (Richard Tasker)
14. 09:17 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
15. 09:19 AM - Re: Building solo (Jim Jewell)
16. 09:22 AM - Re: Building solo (rebibb@comcast.net)
17. 09:22 AM - Re: Performance Drop (was: Propeller performance testing) (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
18. 09:25 AM - Re: Building solo (Rob Prior)
19. 09:36 AM - Re: Building solo (Richard Tasker)
20. 09:37 AM - primary glider (VAHOWDY@aol.com)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Building solo (C. Rabaut)
22. 10:34 AM - Re: /Rockets going Up (Tracy Crook)
23. 10:47 AM - Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (HCRV6@aol.com)
24. 10:59 AM - Re: Building solo (N13eer@aol.com)
25. 11:38 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Alex Peterson)
26. 11:41 AM - Re: /Rockets going Up (Stein Bruch)
27. 12:02 PM - Re: /Rockets going Up (Boyd Braem)
28. 12:41 PM - buying cores (Dave Mader)
29. 01:20 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (Phil N)
30. 02:04 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (Bobby Sather)
31. 02:12 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (John Helms)
32. 02:33 PM - Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (David Carter)
33. 02:34 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (RV8ter@aol.com)
34. 04:02 PM - Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (James E. Clark)
35. 04:02 PM - Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Boyd Braem)
36. 04:06 PM - Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Richard Tasker)
37. 04:19 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (David Carter)
38. 04:23 PM - Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (David Carter)
39. 05:35 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (HCRV6@aol.com)
40. 06:05 PM - Re: Building solo (Jerry Springer)
41. 06:09 PM - Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... (RV6AOKC@aol.com)
42. 06:43 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (Gert)
43. 07:26 PM - Re: Building solo (Curt Hoffman)
44. 07:35 PM - Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... (Bill VonDane)
45. 07:48 PM - Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... (Gil Alexander)
46. 07:54 PM - Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Cammie Patch)
47. 08:04 PM - Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... (Patty & Dan Krueger)
48. 08:16 PM - Re: /Rockets going Up (Michael McGee)
49. 08:19 PM - Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Cy Galley)
50. 10:28 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (David Carter)
51. 11:15 PM - Propeller Performance Testing (Laird Owens)
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| Subject: | A Special Thank You - List of Contributors |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
This year's List Fund Raiser was pleasantly successful and I want to thank
everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the continued
operation and upgrade of these Lists! Below you will find the complete
list of this year's Contributors. Its these great guys that make it all
possible! All of the List members owe these special people a debt of
gratitude.
I would also like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ) for again this year providing free and
substantially discounted merchandise in support of the Fund Raiser. Andy
is a great guy and I encourage you to check out his very nice web
site. Thanks again, Andy!!
For those of you that ordered gifts with your Contribution, I will be
shipping these out over the next few weeks as the merchandise arrives and
as I can get all of the orders processed. Its quite a job so I appreciate
your patience! I hope to have everything on its way by the end of the
month if not sooner.
If you would still like to make a Contribution to support the Lists, please
feel free to do so! If you'd like to receive one of the awesome free
gifts, they will be available on the web page though the end of the
month. The Contribution web page can be found here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Finally, I would like to once again sincerely thank each and everyone of
you that took the time to make a Contribution to support the Lists this
year! Your kind support greatly appreciated!
THANK YOU!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
------------------- 2003 List of Contributors #1 -----------------
Adamson, Arden
Akin, Thomas
Alber, John
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Allender, Pat
Allison, Steven
Amick, Michael
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Douglas
Anderson, Edward
Andrews, Myles
Anthony, Bruce
Applefeld, Gerald
Aronson, David
Aschliman, Jim
Atkinson, Harold
Austin, Peter
Avant, David
Ayers, Jim
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Bailey, Rick
Baker, Gary
Baker, James
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Bales, Robert
Ballenger, Jim
Balmer, G
Banus, Mark
Barnett, William
Barrie, Darwin
Barter, Thomas
Basiliere, Richard
Bataller, Gary
Batte, W.Granville
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beard, Harley
Becker, Charles
Bell, BruceB.
Belted, Air Power, Ltd
Benham, Dallas
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Berg, Wayne
Bergeron, Daniel
Bernard, William
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Berry, Bruce
Bertelli, John
Bertrand, Carl
Berube, Bob
Bezzard, Richar
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Bish, Dan
Blackwell, Charles
Blake, Peter
Blank, Steven
Blomgren, Jack
Bohannon, Larry
Bond, Charles
Bonsell, Edward
Booze, Greg
Borne, Chuck
Bosomworth, David
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowen, Larry
Bowhay, Eustace
Brame, Charles
Branstrom, Dan
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Brick, John
Brogley, Michael
Brooks, Chris
Brooks, John
Brooks, Ken
Brooks, William
Broomell, Glenn
Brown, Gerald R.
Bruce, L.B.
Bruch, Stein
Brunke, Judy
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buess, Alfred
Bullock, Jack
Bumhoffer, Al
Burke, James
Burks, Terrell
Burns, John
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Burton, Ron
Butcher, James
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Calhoun, Ron
Calloway, Terry
Campbell, Greg
Cann, Robert
Cantrell, Jimmy
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Salvatore
Cardell, William
Carden, Richard
CarillonSr., Paul
Carney, William
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carr, David
Carroll, Randy
Carson, Rowland
Carter, David
Cary, William
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Ken
Champ, Nicolas
Chandler, Charles
Chandler, John
Ciolino, John
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clarkson, Scott
Clayton, James
Cliff, John
Cloud, Ralph
Clyma, Frank
Cochran, Jerry
Coffey, John
Coggins, Michael
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Colley, Larry
Colucci, Tony
Combined, Merchants
Combs, Doyle
Comer, Dave
Comfort, Gordon
Compton, Scott
Conaway, James
Condrey, Bob
Cone, James
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Conti, Richard
Cook, Craig
Cooley, John
Cooper, James
Corbalis, Leo
Corbette, Claude
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Cotter, Tim
Cotton, David
Cottrell, Larry
Coulter, Carlin
Coursey, William
Courtney, Dean
Courtney, James
Couture, Wayne
Cribb, William
Croke, Jon
Crook, Tracy
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Richard
Cruikshank, Bruce
D'Onofrio, John
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Daniel, Karie
Danielsen, HansJurgen
Darby, Frank
Daudt, Larry
Davenport, Jimmy
Davidson, Adam And Janet
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Charles
Davis, Chris
Davis, Nathan
Davis, Peter
Davis, Terry
Dawson , Clif
Dawson, Garth
DeJong, Jan
Dearinger, William
Decramer, Dick
Deford, David
Denham, Bob
Dennis, Chris
Derouchey, Bill
Desmond, Richard
Devaney, Bob
Devere, Al
Diehl, Don
Diffenbaugh, Scott
Disher, John
Dixon, Thomas (Steve)
Dominy, Ken
Donaldson, Norman
Doran, Thomas
Dresden, Robert
Driscoll, Patrick
Dube, Bill
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Dukerich, Thomas
Dumoret, Paul
Eagleston, Ron
Eckel, John
Edwards, Garland
Edwards, Joseph
Eginton, William
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellison, Craig
Enga, Wallace
Engh, Duncan
Enns, Dennis
Erb, Bob
Erickson, Alan
Erickson, Gerald
Erikson, Donald
Ervin, Tom
Erwin, Chip
Esterhuizen, Deon
Etherington, Al
Evans, Walt
Evenson, Roger
Fackler, Ken
Faris, Kevin
Farmer, Daniel
Fasching, John
Feldmann, StephenW.
Ferrer, Gabriel
Finley, John
Finley, Jon
Fischer, Doug
Fishe, JF
Fisher, Dru
Fisher, Michael
Fisher, Tom
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Flamini, Dennis
Flavin, John
Fleck, Joe
Foerster, James
Fogerson, Richard
Forrest, Gerald
Fox, Byron
Franz, Carl
Frazier, Ford
Frazier, Vince
Friedland, Thomas
Frizzell, Alex
Frye, Dwight
Fulgham, W.R.
Fulmer, JosephA
Fux, Franz
Gagnon, Laurent
Gagnon, Tim
Galati, Rick
Gallagher, Noel
Galley, Cy
Gantzer, Charles
Gardner, Albert
Gardner, Terrence
Garner, Mitchell
Gates, Leo
Gawronski, Brian
Gaylen Lerohl, Terminaltown
Geldermann, Dan
Genzlinger, Reade
George, William
Gerken, James
German, Mark
Gernetzke-hays, Jill
Gherardini, Don
Giacona, William
Giddens, Gerald
Gillespie, Dick
Giusti, Roberto
Glass, Roy
Golden, Shane
Gonzalez, Jorge
Goode, Richard
Goodings, John
Goodman, David
Goolsby, JamesE.
Gordon, Keith
Gott, Shelby
Goudinoff, Peter
Gowing, John
Grabb, Gary
Graber, Joel
Graham, Gary
Graham, Jim
Graham, W.Doyce
Grant, Jordan
Grebe, David
Green, Luther
Green, Roger
Greenough, Jim
Gregory, Michael
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, James
Griffin, Robert
Grosse, John
Gustafson, Aaron
Haertlein, Frank
Hagar, Steve
Haley, Gary
Hallsten, Keith
Hamer, Steve
Hamilton, William J
Hand, Chris
Hankins, Roger
Hankinson, Jimmy
Harbour, Keith
Hardaway, Mike
Harding, Joel
Harmon, John
Harrison, Nigel
Hartwig, Richard
Harvey, Dale
Hasper, Jim
Hatch, Pat
Hatcher, Edmund
Hatfield, Cecil Jr.
Hauck, JohnR
Haynes, Joel
Heath, Donald
Hefner, Jim
Heindl, Karl
Heitman, Christopher
Helming, Larry
Heritch, Ian
Herminghaus, John
Herren, Bill
Hetrick, Dale
Heykoop, John
Hibbing, William
Hill, Jeff
Hill, Ken
Hill, Stanley A
Himes, Joe
Hinrichsen, Jim
Hodgson, Mark
Hodgson, Robert
Hoffman, Carl
Hoffman, Curtis
Hoffmann, Thomas
Hohos, Charles
Holifield, Steve
Holland, Mike
Holland, Rick
Holmes, Tom
Hood, Bill
Hooper, Gerald
Hooper, Randy
Horton, Kevin
Hostetler, Donald
Howell, Pete
Howerton, Bill
Hubbard, Eugene
Hudson, Jeff
Hueltz, Wolfgang
Huff, Scott
Huft, John
Hughes, Robert
Hulen, Fred
Humbert, Robert
Humes, Hubert
Humes, Hugh
Humphrey, Roger
Hunt, Peter
Hunt, Wallace G
Hurd, James
Hurst, Kingsley
Hutchison, Tom
Hyde, David
Ice, Michael
Iddon, Richard
Irvin, Robert
Isler, Jerry
Jackson, Kevin
Jacobson, Marshall
Jannakos, Gregory
Jaussi, Curtis
Jenkins, John
Jensen, Jerry
Jewell, James
Johannsson, Johann G.
John Allen Hurn, Hurns Aircraft
Johnsen, Svein
Johnson, Bruce
Johnson, Dale
Johnson, Dennis
Johnson, Les
Johnson, Murray
Johnson, Robert
Johnston, Stephen
Jones, Eric
Joosten, Craig
Jordan, JR
Joyce, David
Jurotich, Matthew
Kahn, Steve
Kaluza, Charles
Karmy, Andrew
Kaser, Jim
Kayner, Dennis
Kellum, Mark
Kempthorne, Hal
Kent, John
Kerr, John
Kerr, Joseph
Kesterton, Donald
Kilburg, Larry
Killion, Clay
Kimsey, Thomas
Kinney, Kevin
Kirby, Graham
Kirk, Tony
Knepper, Harold
Knoll, Lynn
Kohn, Carl
Koonce, R.L.
Kosta, Michael
Kottke, Dwight
Kovac, Harold
Kramer, Ed
Krasinski, Jerzy
Krok, Peter
Krueger, Grant
Kunkel, Fred
Kuntz, Paul
Kyle, Fergus
Lahey, Jim
Laird, Dave
Laishes, Jeff
Lally, Sean
Lalonde, Bart
Landucci, Larry
Lannon, W.
Lasecki, Robert
Laurie, Kip
Laverty, Charles
Lavigne, Pat
Lawliss, James
Lawrence, Derek
Lawton, John
Ledbetter, Gene
Ledoux, Paul
Lee, Terrence
Lefler, Fabian
Lekven, Carl
Lemen, Ted
Lenton, Dennis
Leonard, Nicolas
Leslie, George
Lewis, Terry
Lewis, Tim
Licking, Larry
Lifer, Craig
Liming, Gary
Linebaugh, Jeff
Linse, Michael
Lloyd, Brian
Long, Charles
Long, Eugene
Long, Patrick
Loubert, Gary
Mack, Don
Mackay, Alex
Madden, Peter
Magsam, Del
Mahr, Egon
Mains, Ralph
Malich, Gunter
Markle, Jim
Markwell, Cleone
Marshall, F.R.
Marshall, Nigel
Marson, Thomas
Martin, Bryan
Martin, Clifford
Martin, Richard
Mason, Ron
Matteson, Robert
Maxson, Phillip
Maynor, Troy
Mcallister, Paul
Mcbride, Duncan
Mccallister, Donald
Mccallum, Bob
Mccutchan, Bruce
Mcfarland, Larry
Mcfarland, Randy
Mcfarlane, Lloyd
Mcgregor, Bruce
Mcintosh, Wayne
Mcintyre, Jay
Mckervey, Joseph
Mcleod, Neil
Mcmanus, Jim
Medeiros, Joel
Meehan, Don
Mekeel, DonaldE
Melenyzer, Charles IV
Merchant, Dean
Merrill, Dj
Messinger, Paul
Meyette, Brian
Michel, Riazuelo
Miller, David
Miller, Mark
Miller, Robert
Miller, Warren
Mills, Moe
Mills, William
Milner, Gregory
Milner, Red
Mineart, Stephen
Mitchell, HD
Moak, Ken
Montagne, Raymond
Montgomery, Dale
Moore, David
Moore, Glenn
Moore, Marbert
Moore, Warren
Morawski, Brett
Morelli, William
Morin, Mauri
Morrison, Douglas
Morrison, Malcolm
Morrow, Dan
Mosher, Doc
Mosier, Colby
Mrotzek, Dan
Muegge, James
Murphy, George
Murray, Ronald
Murrill, Robert
Myers, John
Myhra, Donald
Nascimento, Marcio
Nash, Simon
Neilsen, Richard
Nelson, William
Nicely, Vincent
Nickless, Jim
Nickson, Dennis
Nolan, Jim
North, Wheeler
Noyer, Robert
Nyman, Stephen
O'Brien, Dan
O'Donnell, David
O'Reilly, Colm
Oberst, James
Oconnor, Edward
Ohlinger, Judith
Ohlinger, Mark & Judy
Okeefe, Lawrence
Oldford, David
Olendorf, James
Orear, Jeff
Otaola, Ricardo
Ouellette, Will
Overall, Dana
Owens, Duane
Owens, Phil
Packard, Tom
Parker, Dennis
Parks, Dann
Partyka, LeeM
Patsey, Kevin
Patterson, Ron
Payne, Craig
Payne, Ron
Pelletier, Dave
Perez, M. Domenic
Perkins, Stan
Perry, John
Petaccia, Ettore
Peterson, Alex
Peterson, David
Peterson, Paul
Petri, David
Pettey, Don
Petty, Paul
Pflimlin, Paul
Pfundt, Jan
Phillips, Mark
Phillips, Russell
Pierce, Tony
Pike, Richard
Pilling, Kevin
Pinkston, Gordon
Plecenik, Michael
Pocock, Graham
Point, Jeff
Porter, Richard
Potter, Lee
Powell, Jim
Powell, Ken
Preston, Douglas
Pritchard, Roger
Proctor, Joe
Puckett, Greg
Puglise, James
Rabaut, Charles
Raby, Ron
Randolph, George
Ray, Rick
Ray, Rob
Reading, Thomas Sr
Red Dragon Aviation
Reeck, Kris And Art
Reel, David
Reese, Wayne
Reeves, William
Reimer, Curt
Render, James
Repucci, William
Reuschle, Jeffrey
Reusser, Hans-Peter
Reynolds, Richard
Rice, James
Richards, Stephen
Richardson, Colin
Richardson, Scott
Richter, Randall
Rickard, Ian
Rickman, Loy
Rigby, David
Riley, Stuart
Ringrose, Andrew
Robert, Nuckolls
Roberts, Gary
Roberts, Jeffrey
Roberts, John
Rodebush, James
Rodriguez, Paul
Roehr, Mike
Romine, Chris
Ross, Chris
Ross, William
Rourke, John
Rozendaal, Doug
Russell, E.Frank
Russell, Jack
Russell, Keith
Ryan, Mike
Sa, Carlos
Saffold, Michael
Sager, Truman
Salter, Phillip
Sanders, Andrew
Sapp, Doug
Sargent, Thomas
Satterlee, Robert
Sax, Samuel
Schaefer, Steven
Schertz, William
Schieber, Cedrdic
Schilling, Karl
Schlafly, Fred
Schlatterer, Bill
Schmidt, Gregory
Schmidt, John & Patty
Schneider, Werner
Schnitzlein, C.E.
Schoenberger, H.Robert
Schrimmer, Mark
Schroeder, Fire
Schroeder, John
Schumacher, Roger
Scott, James
Scott, Troy
Scroggs, Ross
Seaford, Jack
Seal, John
Selby, Jim, Sr. & Jr.
Selinger, Carsten
Selix, Richard
Setser, David
Settlemyer, Art
Shank, William
Shaw, Cliff
Shepherd, Dallas
Shepherd, Stanislaus
Shipley, Rob
Shipley, Walt
Shipp, Garry
Shumaker, Robert
Siegfried, Bob
Sigmon, Harvey
Silvanic, Ed
Simmons, Kendall
Simpkins, Shaun
Simpson, Randy
Sinclair, Michael
Sipp, Richard
Skelly, Brian
Sletten, Mark
Sloan, Alex
Smith, Danny L
Smith, David
Smith, Edmond
Smith, Gene
Smith, Kirk
Smith, Lloyd
Smith, Rodney
Smith, Ronald
Smith, Simon
Snedaker, Robert
Sobel, Martin
Solecki, John
Sorensen, Kent
Sorensen, Lance
Spainhower, Craig
Sparks, Timothy
Spence, Stephen
Spencer, Russell
Springer, Jerry
Staley, Dick
Starn, John H. "kabong"
Stewart, Michael
Stewart, Paul
Stewart, Shannon
Stone, Christopher
Stout, Randall
Strawn, David
Strong, Gary
Strong, Tom
Stuart, Clay
Sutterfield, Stan
Swaney, Mark
Swanson, Ronald
Swartzendruber, David
Sweeney, Timothy
Swinford, George
Szantho, JohnB.
Szarafinski, Roy
Szentmiklosi, Mark
Tarmar, Brian
Tasker, Richard
Textor, Jack
Thesee, Gilles
Thomas, Bruce
Thomas, Gummo
Thomas, Lee
Thomason, Michael
Thompson, Scott
Thomure, Randall
Thwing, Randy
Titcomb, Edward
Tomlin, Thomas
Tower, John
Tracy, Roger
Trainer, Dave
Trombley, Erich
Trost, Sebastian
Trumpfheller, Bob
Tuton, Beauford
Twigg, Alan
Tyler, George
Unruh, Brian
Unternaehrer, Rolf
Utter, Bob
Van Winkle, Dean
VanHeeswijk, Jack
VanHeuveln, Lemar
VanSchoonhoven, Peter
Vanartsdalen, Scott
Vandenbroek, Martin
Vangrunsven, Stan
Vaughan, Cye
Vaughn, John
Verdev, Victor
Vervoort-Woestenburg, Jef
Vincent, Bill
Vogt, Gary
VonRuden, Dennis
Vormbaum, John
Voss, Richard
Vranken, Karel
Wagoner, Richard
Waldal, Art B.
Walker, Dale
Walker, Tommy
Walker, Weston
Walrath, Howard
Walsh, Denis
Ward, Timothy
Washburn, Oliver
Watson, Richard
Watson, Terrence
Watters, Daniel
Weaver, Erich
Weaver, Fred
Webb, Randol
Weber, Edward
Webster, Tom
Weese, Brian
Weiler, Douglas
Whelan, Thomas
Whiteley, Kenneth
Whiteside, Eric
Whittier, Lavoy (aka Bucky)
Wigney, John
Wiley, Robert
Williams , John
Williams, Hildred
Williams, Jeff
Williams, Lawrence
Williams, Terry
Williamson, John
Willig, Louis
Wilson, Christopher
Wilson, Kelly
Wimmer, Thomas
Wingard, David
Winings, James
Winne, Edward
Woboril, David
Wood, Frank
Wood, Larry
Woods, Donald
Woods, Harold
Wright, Roy
Wsiaki, Michael
Wymer, Jerry
Yager, Jack
Yamokoski, William
Young, Rollin
Zaric, Radomir
Zheng, Andrew
Zilik, Gary
Zinkham, Ralph
Zollinger, Duane
Zuniga, Oscar
------------------- 2003 List of Contributors #1 -----------------
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I did not see a single picture of the air seals the poster was
requesting.
Am I missing something?
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
rv8list@yahoogroups.com; OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 8 Baffles
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
http://vondane.com/rv8a/engine/baffles.htm
http://www.vafml.org/members/rlynn/page2.htm
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
<rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV 8 Baffles
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Does anyone have any good pictures of the completed baffles (
particularly
the air seals), on the 8 or any RV? The instructions leave a lot to be
desired. I cant tell how to trim the seals once they are done.
Thanks
Al Grajek
Baffled!
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12/04/2003 08:49:51 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
Do not be tricked into thinking that a pressurized air/bubble test will
find leaks in you fuel tanks. I hate to admit that I have become educated
about fuel weeps...much harder to find than leaks. Bubble tests will show
obvious leaks and are a great way to start proofing your tanks. I went to
the next level of testing- long term weep testing. I went to an auto parts
store and bought some ultraviolet dye for leak testing and added it to four
gallons of auto fuel. The fuel becomes florescent yellow. Be smart and
ground your fuel tank to a good ground and then ground your gas can to the
fuel tank before pouring...very important now that the dry air of winter is
here. Set the tank up and let it sit in one position for a week or so and
take a look at your rivets to see if there are signs of weeping. Rotate
the tank to expose untested areas to the fuel and wait another week. I
found five rivets that weeped fuel during my testing. All were on the rear
baffle to skin joint. These weeps probably don't amount to much loss of
fuel, but I am sure that had I waited until after painting to add fuel, my
paint would have blistered over the weep sites. The normal green Loc Tite
fix didn't solve the problem for me, so I had to go back into the tank.
The only good thing that has come out of all of this (Other than teaching
me patience) is that I found that my inverted fuel tank flapper valve had
sealed itself shut (or almost so) with a tiny dot of proseal when I closed
the rear baffle up. Had I not gone back into the tank, I would have found
that the inner-most bay would have taken a lonnnng time to fill with fuel
and would require addressing down the road. I designed the flapper valve
with an intentional leak that would allow fuel to still feed the engine in
case the valve became stuck, (Engineering around potential failure modes)
so the engine would have been fine.
Don Alexander
RV-8 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RV 8 Baffles |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Hmmm... I guess I only have one photo of the seal material on my baffles,
but the second link has a bunch on photos of the completed baffles and seal
material...
Or maybe I just didn't understand the question...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 8 Baffles
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
I did not see a single picture of the air seals the poster was
requesting.
Am I missing something?
Mike
Do not archive.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
rv8list@yahoogroups.com; OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 8 Baffles
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
http://vondane.com/rv8a/engine/baffles.htm
http://www.vafml.org/members/rlynn/page2.htm
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
<rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV 8 Baffles
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Does anyone have any good pictures of the completed baffles (
particularly
the air seals), on the 8 or any RV? The instructions leave a lot to be
desired. I cant tell how to trim the seals once they are done.
Thanks
Al Grajek
Baffled!
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| Subject: | Re: AFS Waterbourne painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
In reply to your recent post on AFS: AFS provides more then one
waterborne paint system. My comments were on the two part polyurathane
waterborne offering from AFS. Here is a clip from their web site:
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
".....Aircraft Finishing Systems Waterborne TWO-PART POLYURETHANE
TOPCOAT is a
solvent free, water dispersible polyisocyanate. It provides outstanding
coverage, excellent durability, and ease of application as well as being
a low
VOC and EPA compliant coating. Aircraft Finishing Systems Waterborne
Two-Part
Polyurethane Topcoat offers superior adhesion and has film properties
that
exceed most solvent based catalyzed polyurethane systems......"
Notice the mention of ISO's in the description. Also, nowhere in the AFS
website is there mention of safety or breathing concerns. I think it
only prudent to error on the save side when using this(or any)
Polyurathane paint by using the proper breathing equipment.
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I talked to Terry at AFS and specifically asked the question about
external breathing air. She said that it is unnecessary, that a good
cartridge system provides all the protection needed. Their system does
not generate the poisonous products that the solvent based products do.
I suggest that you might want to talk to them. I don't know what your
qualifications are, but I have to assume that since AFS uses their own
products in their shop, they know what they are talking about and are
not slowly poisoning there entire workforce.
This is not my opinion, just my $0.02 based on my discussion with AFS.
Dick Tasker, RV9A 90573
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Steve,
Actually you need to restrict the airflow OUT of the heat muff. I used a
piece of duct tape (temporary fix) over 25% the hole through the fire wall.
Slows the air down through the heat muff so it has a chance to heat up.
Noel
RV-6A Phase I complete in 10 days at temperatures from +10C -15C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Glasgow
Subject: RV-List: Cabin Heat
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Greetings,
I now have 25 hours in my recently completed RV-8 and every time I try to
check the Cabin Heat it seems as if there is very little if any at all.
Just a big blast of air.
My instillation is a standard heater mounted on the right exhaust with air
drawn from the aft baffle on the # 3 cylinder. The air is ducted to the
heater with 2" SCAT and then to a standard air box mounted on the firewall
entering the cabin between the rudder pedals.
Several hours ago I installed some "chor boy" copper scrubber pads in the
heater but there was no noticeable difference.
I'm thinking I may need to restrict some of the air flow in the intake.
Any ideas or thoughts. Thanks !
Steve Glasgow
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--> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
buck for myself if that is possible...
cheers,
Chuck
RV grin installed in August '01
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| Subject: | re: AFS Waterbourne painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
I have really been looking for a place to buy the Glasurit waterborne pants.
Were can I get this and how do you like it? I have been looking for a good
paint and from the specifications this seams very nice.
Sincerely,
Noel Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574
noel@blueskyaviation.net <mailto:noel@blueskyaviation.net>
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of P M Condon
Subject: RV-List: re: AFS Waterbourne painting
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Don't be fooled into thinking this is a entirely "safe" product.
Waterborne paint products are offered by most all the paint companys.
BASF, PPG, Dupont & S/W all offer a Waterborne paint product. (I just
completed a small project using BASF Glasurit 90 series waterborne). In
ASF's case, water is used, in small portions, as a thinner but this ASF
product is a 2K paint system and you do add the hardener component when
mixing this paint for spray application. This hardener component is
where the ISO's are introduced and you still need a positive air
breathing system to cope with the ISO's. You are right in that there is
less "solvent" smell; in my experience the solvent smell disapates
rather quickly anyway. You should be VERY concerned with the breathing
air and the effects of the ISO's in the air that may linger. In a closed
environment, you may have less detectable, noticable smell in the
waterborne product but the bad components of the polyurathane you are
spraying are still present......you just can't smell them due to lack of
trace "solvent" fumes....
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Chuck, I had a simlar problem - my wife's view was "that's YOUR project". I
found that I could rivet it all with two hands (not always easily though).
I stand 5' 9" with proprotional arm length. Actually there were two places
where I had to have help and she did assit there. One was the second
bulkhead behind the baggage compartment - just could not reach from the
baggage compartment or the tail cone and hold both the bucking bar and rivet
gun on a rivet there. The second place was where the aluminum floor sheet
between the firewall and the spare area needed riviting near the spar area
(seems like there may have been a couple of rivet lines in that area).
It would appear that a QB kit would eliminate those two problem areas (and
many other). Also, I think you will get a consistently better driven rivet
when you have a bucking partner or at least don't have to stretch for those
distant rivets - but it can be done.
FWIW
Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Building solo
> --> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
> notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
> pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
> get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
> I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
> schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
> slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
> solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
> help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
> buck for myself if that is possible...
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
> RV grin installed in August '01
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun" <roncal@earthlink.net>
Chuck, I too have long arms and I built my -4 by myself. I bet I did not
have help bucking rivets more than five times during construction. Just a
little planning.
Ron
RV-4 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C P
Subject: RV-List: Building solo
--> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
buck for myself if that is possible...
cheers,
Chuck
RV grin installed in August '01
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
DO NOT BUILD A PULLED-RIVET AIRPLANE.
Bradley, Zenith, what ever--so sue me.
Boyd.
New Zealand.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
Chuck,
I have an -8QB project and am at the point where all the riveting is done.
Throughout the process, my wife has been very supportive of me working on it
by myself. I did get some help from a friend on bucking the horizontial
stab. Nevertheless, I believe a QB is very doable without assistance and I'm
guessing a standard kit would be less "solo" friendly.
Keith Vasey
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C P
Subject: RV-List: Building solo
--> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
buck for myself if that is possible...
cheers,
Chuck
RV grin installed in August '01
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| Subject: | Re: AFS Waterbourne painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
That is the paint that I talked to Terry about and that I have
purchased. - the two part polyurethane - and she said that a respirator
was not needed. I don't remember the technical details of her
explanation, but it was something about there being no free isocyanates
in the catalyzed paint. As I said, they use this paint in their shop.
Maybe you could call them and get an independent confirmation/refutation
of this issue regarding their paint.
Dick Tasker
P M Condon wrote:
>In reply to your recent post on AFS: AFS provides more then one
>waterborne paint system. My comments were on the two part polyurathane
>waterborne offering from AFS. Here is a clip from their web site:
>
>
>PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
>".....Aircraft Finishing Systems Waterborne TWO-PART POLYURETHANE
>TOPCOAT is a
>solvent free, water dispersible polyisocyanate. It provides outstanding
>coverage, excellent durability, and ease of application as well as being
>a low
>VOC and EPA compliant coating. Aircraft Finishing Systems Waterborne
>Two-Part
>Polyurethane Topcoat offers superior adhesion and has film properties
>that
>exceed most solvent based catalyzed polyurethane systems......"
>
>
>Notice the mention of ISO's in the description. Also, nowhere in the AFS
>website is there mention of safety or breathing concerns. I think it
>only prudent to error on the save side when using this(or any)
>Polyurathane paint by using the proper breathing equipment.
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
>I talked to Terry at AFS and specifically asked the question about
>external breathing air. She said that it is unnecessary, that a good
>cartridge system provides all the protection needed. Their system does
>not generate the poisonous products that the solvent based products do.
>
>I suggest that you might want to talk to them. I don't know what your
>qualifications are, but I have to assume that since AFS uses their own
>products in their shop, they know what they are talking about and are
>not slowly poisoning there entire workforce.
>
>This is not my opinion, just my $0.02 based on my discussion with AFS.
>
>Dick Tasker, RV9A 90573
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
I put an aluminum restrictor plate with a 3/8" hole on the baffle at the
entrance to the heater scat tube. It works well and lets the heater put
warmer air into the cabin. It probably helps for summer cooling too, as
less cooling air in the plenum escapes out into the heater muff.
I've got a single heater muff on the right side which was fine for
Albuquerque where I built my -6. It's not really enough for cold Winter
Park. Had I known I'd be living up here at the time I would have put in
dual systems on each side. Actually, its only a problem on cloudy days and
real early in the morning. When the sun is out mid day, its never too cold
under the big canopy.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Chuck,
Yes you will have some tasks such as the hard to reach rivets that do
require assistance. The old saw " two heads are better than one" still
applies ( the pun is gratis) g-}
There are so many builders out there, that unless you are way ...---...out
in the boonies it should not be difficult to get assistance as needed. Tell
the list where geographically you plan to build and my guess is someone will
be in range to help. Some guys will do anything for an excuse to fly
somewhere and be helpful.
A lunch and a beer or two and Bobs your uncle. Caution!! more than a few
beers and he might wind up being your long lost son!! ~~Hic! {[:)
If you are in a remote area it might take more planning but it is done by
people all over the world. The local shop class instructor might have in
mind someone with the right skills.
If you reside in North America, the EAA in the US or the RAA in Canada are
good sources of information and assistance etc.
As the wings and much of the fuse are built the Q-build kits do reduce the
helper required time but some assistance is still needed.
Careful assembly order planning can reduce the need for a helper to a degree
similar to or at least close to the Q-build requirements.
Every bit of information you cold imagine is in the RV-List archives. Where
to, how to, why to It takes a while to get onto how to ask the right
questions but it is all there.
I think you will find the RV group just as helpful as any other group that
start out to build a project and wind up sharing a passion. The friends met
along the way will add that something extra that cannot be explained.
Happy building, whatever apssion you choose,
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Building solo
> --> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
> notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
> pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
> get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
> I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
> schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
> slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
> solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
> help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
> buck for myself if that is possible...
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
> RV grin installed in August '01
>
>
> __________________________________
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--> RV-List message posted by: rebibb@comcast.net
I built an RV-4 the old, "hard" way almost entirely alone. I did get help from
a friend to rivet the top skin on the fuselage but did all the rest alone.
It can be done.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
>
> Chuck,
>
> I have an -8QB project and am at the point where all the riveting is done.
> Throughout the process, my wife has been very supportive of me working on it
> by myself. I did get some help from a friend on bucking the horizontial
> stab. Nevertheless, I believe a QB is very doable without assistance and I'm
> guessing a standard kit would be less "solo" friendly.
>
> Keith Vasey
> Seattle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C P
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Building solo
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
> notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
> pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
> get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
> I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
> schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
> slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
> solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
> help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
> buck for myself if that is possible...
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
> RV grin installed in August '01
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Performance Drop (was: Propeller performance testing) |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 12/03/2003 5:17:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gcomfo@tc3net.com writes:
Jim: This is good to know. It implies that the MT doesn't have the
performance drop above 2500 that the Hartzell seems to have. If you do
get them to build what you refer to as a racing prop, it would be
interesting to know how it compares with others at cruise rpm's.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
Hi All,
I am seeing a performance drop with the Hartzell propeller in my test results
at 2700 RPM at 7,500' pressure altitude only. At higher, or lower,
altitudes, I don't see this airspeed drop off.
Perhaps air is nonlinear.
One factor that is unclear to me is that the propeller near the tip is
operating in the transonic speed range. (I have seen propeller tip "design"
velocities of Mach 0.99 at 2700 RPM.)
I guess that's why I'm trying to gather empirical data.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Boyd Braem wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> DO NOT BUILD A PULLED-RIVET AIRPLANE.
Sorry in advance to the other listers, but even though i'm building an
RV-7 I have to speak up against this idiotic claptrap. There's
absolutely nothing wrong with a pulled-rivet airplane. My structures
course at university analyzed the Murphy Rebel for an entire semester,
and i'd be building one of them instead if I didn't want to be doing
aerobatics and flying formation too.
The aerobatic part I could fix, but the lack of visibility for formation
makes the Rebel impractical for me. It does edge out the RV in terms of
back-country capability, though.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I am building a 9A and so far I have done everything myself. I have not
done the top skins of the fuselage yet however and I suspect I may ned
help there for a few rivets.
Dick Tasker, 90573.
Keith Vasey wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
>
>Chuck,
>
>I have an -8QB project and am at the point where all the riveting is done.
>Throughout the process, my wife has been very supportive of me working on it
>by myself. I did get some help from a friend on bucking the horizontial
>stab. Nevertheless, I believe a QB is very doable without assistance and I'm
>guessing a standard kit would be less "solo" friendly.
>
>Keith Vasey
>Seattle
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C P
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Building solo
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi,
>
>I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
>notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
>pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
>get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
>I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
>schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
>slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
>solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
>help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
>buck for myself if that is possible...
>
>cheers,
>Chuck
>RV grin installed in August '01
>
>
>__________________________________
>Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
>http://companion.yahoo.com/
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: VAHOWDY@aol.com
Hi, does anyone have plans for a primary glider from the 50's or 60's ?
Thanks,
Howdy
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Boyd,
Since when did you move to "New Zealand" ?
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Building solo
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> DO NOT BUILD A PULLED-RIVET AIRPLANE.
>
> Bradley, Zenith, what ever--so sue me.
>
> Boyd.
> New Zealand.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: /Rockets going Up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Yep, I've seen you climb out and it's pretty impressive. But you're on, I shall
take up the gauntlet! I'll spot you your constant speed prop (I'll be fixed
pitch) against my lower weight and more wing area.
Now if I can just get these EM2 engine monitors out the door so I can finish the
-8 .............
Tracy
do not archive this testosterone laced hangar flying :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Boyd Braem
Subject: Re: RV-List: batteries/Rockets going Up
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Woah!, there Tracy--Out climb a Rocket!? Stop by the other side of the
state (Venice (VNC), FL--on the Gulf) and we'll do a little
head-to-head or, more likely, head-to-TAIL. I get an honest 4,200
ft/min when I point my nose at God (like he/she could really care!),
but, you never know, maybe he/she likes the attention. I also have 160
hp at 50% power. I get about 2,500 ft in a straight vertical climb
before I have to kick rudder, and pivot, on a really good day--seems
like it used to be more, before my divorce--but, I digress--still, I
love that woman, so much--and I'm sure you guys really want to hear
about it. Yeah.
Boyd.
Super 6
Venice, FL
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| Subject: | Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Although I hate to contribute to the non-RV building noise on this list, this
factual report on the DHL incident from an incident investigator may be of
interest to some of you, if not delete now, and my apologies to anyone offended:
>Amazing that the crew was able to land the plane.
>Subject: Fw: FW: Testimony to an A300B4 (Missile Damage to Airbus A-300)
----- Original Message -----
>
> Brian H. Shorb
> Acquisition Technical Support (G-A-2)
> Room 5116, Telephone (202) 267-0464
> BShorb@comdt.uscg.mil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> To those of you who are wondering what happened to the DHL A300B4 coming
> out of Baghdad last Saturday, take a look.
>
> Aircraft was hit at 8000 FT, lost ALL hydraulics and therefore had no
> flight controls, actually did a missed approach using only engine thrust
> and eventually (after about 16mins) landed heavily on runway 33L at
Baghdad.
> This was fortunate because with no steering the aircraft veered off the
> runway to the left, had they landed on 33R veering to the left would have
> taken them straight into the fire station.
>
> The aircraft then travelled about 600 metres through soft sand taking out
a
> razor wire fence in the process, see LH engine pic, and came to rest
almost
> at the bottom of the sloping area between the runway and a taxiway.
>
> All three crew evacuated safely down the second slide, the first one tore
> on the razor wire.
>
> I flew in with a team on Tuesday in one of our Metros and some special
> equipment we'd had made locally in Bahrain and some provided by Airbus.
> Using a USAF D9 Caterpillar pulling a 100 metre cable fitted to the back
> end of each bogie and a nice new aircraft pushback tug with a towbar on
the
> nose gear, we were able to remove the aircraft just on dusk on Tuesday
night
> and towed it to an Iraqi Airways graveyard on one side of the terminal.
>
> We stayed overnight in the USAF camp on the airport and went back to the
> aircraft on Wednesday morning to allow the insurance survey to be
completed
> and then secure the aircraft.
>
> Basically, LH engine rotates in a fashion, has ingested lots of razor wire
> and is knackered. RH engine has seized, probably from ingesting loads of
> sand at maximum reverse thrust and inlet cowl has unacceptable lip damage,
> probably from hitting the razor wire fence posts.
>
> The No 8 axle appears to be cracked as the wheel sits at an odd angle.
>
> The bulk of the damage is the LH wing. About 3 metres of rear spar is
> missing in front of the outboard flap, the wing has bulged upwards and
> downwards where the initial explosion appears to have occurred, one O/B
> flap track is hanging in the breeze and one has a small piece of flap
still
> attached, the rest of the flap is nonexistent. The pics show the huge
crack
> that has occurred to the rear spar inboard of where the spar has burnt
> away, possibly from loads on the wing during the landing process. The
front
> spar appears to be intact.
>
> The point of entry pics show where a projectile entered Tank 1A, which was
> full of fuel, and, after it ignited, proceeded to burn away at the spar.
> The fuel tank ribs in the area directly in front of the O/B flap are burnt
> almost 50% through.
>
> The crew obviously did a fantastic job in getting the aircraft back on to
> the ground and one can only assume that it was most fortunate that they
> were not aware of the state of the wing as they could not see it from the
> cockpit.
>
> It also says a lot for the structure of the aircraft that it withstood the
> impact of the (whatever is finally determined to have hit it).
>
> I'm sure there will be lots of other photos and videos flying around the
> net, but at least these ones are genuine.
>
> The worst part for us was the airport was shut down on Wednesday and we
had
> to be driven in an armour-plated Landcruiser Troop Carrier from Baghdad to
> Balad, 60 miles to the north, from where we flew back to Bahrain in our
> Metro again.
>
> I trust you will all appreciate just how lucky these guys were.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> DHL International Aviation,
>
> Bahrain.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Chuck,
I don't think you are going to build any plane solo, pulled or smashed rivets.
At some point your going to need a hand moving things or something. However
there is an answer, join a local EAA chapter and make some friends. Your not
going need help riveting all the time just an hand once in a while. When I rivited
my wing top skins on I had everything ready and has a buddy come by. We
did both wing in about 3 hours. Also it does not take an airplane nut to rivet,
you could train a ape to run a rivet gun in about 5 minutes.
Go to a meeting and make some friends, Just don't let them talk you into an officer
position until your done building.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 115 hours
EAA Chapter 33 Vice President
In a message dated 12/4/2003 10:29:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi,
>
>I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
>notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
>pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
>get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
>I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
>schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
>slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
>solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
>help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
>buck for myself if that is possible...
>
>cheers,
>Chuck
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Actually you need to restrict the airflow OUT of the heat
> muff. I used a piece of duct tape (temporary fix) over 25%
> the hole through the fire wall. Slows the air down through
> the heat muff so it has a chance to heat up.
>
Shouldn't matter where the flow is restricted, just so that it is.
However, probably better to restrict the inlet, since these things leak
a bit, and it is better to leak air before the heater than after it
(from a heater efficiency point of view).
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 422 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | /Rockets going Up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
OK...who's the bookie here and what are the odds....Should I put $5.00 on
Boyd, or $5.00 on Tracy. The problem is, I'd like to see both of them win!
Cheers,
Stein
Do Not Archive!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Subject: Re: RV-List: /Rockets going Up
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Yep, I've seen you climb out and it's pretty impressive. But you're on, I
shall take up the gauntlet! I'll spot you your constant speed prop (I'll be
fixed pitch) against my lower weight and more wing area.
Now if I can just get these EM2 engine monitors out the door so I can finish
the -8 .............
Tracy
do not archive this testosterone laced hangar flying :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Boyd Braem
Subject: Re: RV-List: batteries/Rockets going Up
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Woah!, there Tracy--Out climb a Rocket!? Stop by the other side of the
state (Venice (VNC), FL--on the Gulf) and we'll do a little
head-to-head or, more likely, head-to-TAIL. I get an honest 4,200
ft/min when I point my nose at God (like he/she could really care!),
but, you never know, maybe he/she likes the attention. I also have 160
hp at 50% power. I get about 2,500 ft in a straight vertical climb
before I have to kick rudder, and pivot, on a really good day--seems
like it used to be more, before my divorce--but, I digress--still, I
love that woman, so much--and I'm sure you guys really want to hear
about it. Yeah.
Boyd.
Super 6
Venice, FL
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| Subject: | Re: /Rockets going Up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Stein--
I really like what Tracy is doing because that 20B engine (esp. if you
blow some air in to it) is wicked, but nice, like this girl I used to
date, she had these long legs..... Anyway, if he gets a package
together, I'll be getting a new airplane.
Boyd
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
While rebuilding the engine on my first RV6, I acquired the name of a
company that would buy cores. I didn't need the starter or generator (went
to
a lightweight starter and alternator. This company was in Okla. I believe,
but I
can't for the life of me, find a record of it or who it was. I'm now in the
process
of rebuilding an 0-360 for my second RV project and have a low-time starter
I
would like to replace (too heavy) and another alternator that I don't need
(24 volt).
Anybody know of a company/individual that is willing to buy cores?
Thanks...
Dave Mader
1/2 way through 2nd 6 project
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| Subject: | Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Don't ask where they came from. Pics of the airplane are at:
http://www.toosan.com/misc/DHL_SAM_Attack.jpg
http://www.toosan.com/misc/DHL_SAM_Attack2.jpg
http://www.toosan.com/misc/DHL_SAM_Attack3.jpg
I have more at work that I'll post tomorrow.
Phil
Do not archive
> Although I hate to contribute to the non-RV building noise on
> this list, this
> factual report on the DHL incident from an incident
> investigator may be of
> interest to some of you, if not delete now, and my apologies
> to anyone offended:
>
> >Amazing that the crew was able to land the plane.
>
> >Subject: Fw: FW: Testimony to an A300B4 (Missile Damage to Airbus
> >A-300)
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
Love to see the pictures as they did not come up on the matronics. Those
guys were very lucky. If you have a link to the pictures, please send.
Thanks
Bobby
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: <HCRV6@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV
related)
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> Although I hate to contribute to the non-RV building noise on this list,
this
> factual report on the DHL incident from an incident investigator may be of
> interest to some of you, if not delete now, and my apologies to anyone
offended:
>
> >Amazing that the crew was able to land the plane.
>
> >Subject: Fw: FW: Testimony to an A300B4 (Missile Damage to Airbus A-300)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Brian H. Shorb
> > Acquisition Technical Support (G-A-2)
> > Room 5116, Telephone (202) 267-0464
> > BShorb@comdt.uscg.mil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > To those of you who are wondering what happened to the DHL A300B4 coming
> > out of Baghdad last Saturday, take a look.
> >
> > Aircraft was hit at 8000 FT, lost ALL hydraulics and therefore had no
> > flight controls, actually did a missed approach using only engine thrust
> > and eventually (after about 16mins) landed heavily on runway 33L at
> Baghdad.
> > This was fortunate because with no steering the aircraft veered off the
> > runway to the left, had they landed on 33R veering to the left would
have
> > taken them straight into the fire station.
> >
> > The aircraft then travelled about 600 metres through soft sand taking
out
> a
> > razor wire fence in the process, see LH engine pic, and came to rest
> almost
> > at the bottom of the sloping area between the runway and a taxiway.
> >
> > All three crew evacuated safely down the second slide, the first one
tore
> > on the razor wire.
> >
> > I flew in with a team on Tuesday in one of our Metros and some special
> > equipment we'd had made locally in Bahrain and some provided by Airbus.
> > Using a USAF D9 Caterpillar pulling a 100 metre cable fitted to the back
> > end of each bogie and a nice new aircraft pushback tug with a towbar on
> the
> > nose gear, we were able to remove the aircraft just on dusk on Tuesday
> night
> > and towed it to an Iraqi Airways graveyard on one side of the terminal.
> >
> > We stayed overnight in the USAF camp on the airport and went back to the
> > aircraft on Wednesday morning to allow the insurance survey to be
> completed
> > and then secure the aircraft.
> >
> > Basically, LH engine rotates in a fashion, has ingested lots of razor
wire
> > and is knackered. RH engine has seized, probably from ingesting loads of
> > sand at maximum reverse thrust and inlet cowl has unacceptable lip
damage,
> > probably from hitting the razor wire fence posts.
> >
> > The No 8 axle appears to be cracked as the wheel sits at an odd angle.
> >
> > The bulk of the damage is the LH wing. About 3 metres of rear spar is
> > missing in front of the outboard flap, the wing has bulged upwards and
> > downwards where the initial explosion appears to have occurred, one O/B
> > flap track is hanging in the breeze and one has a small piece of flap
> still
> > attached, the rest of the flap is nonexistent. The pics show the huge
> crack
> > that has occurred to the rear spar inboard of where the spar has burnt
> > away, possibly from loads on the wing during the landing process. The
> front
> > spar appears to be intact.
> >
> > The point of entry pics show where a projectile entered Tank 1A, which
was
> > full of fuel, and, after it ignited, proceeded to burn away at the spar.
> > The fuel tank ribs in the area directly in front of the O/B flap are
burnt
> > almost 50% through.
> >
> > The crew obviously did a fantastic job in getting the aircraft back on
to
> > the ground and one can only assume that it was most fortunate that they
> > were not aware of the state of the wing as they could not see it from
the
> > cockpit.
> >
> > It also says a lot for the structure of the aircraft that it withstood
the
> > impact of the (whatever is finally determined to have hit it).
> >
> > I'm sure there will be lots of other photos and videos flying around the
> > net, but at least these ones are genuine.
> >
> > The worst part for us was the airport was shut down on Wednesday and we
> had
> > to be driven in an armour-plated Landcruiser Troop Carrier from Baghdad
to
> > Balad, 60 miles to the north, from where we flew back to Bahrain in our
> > Metro again.
> >
> > I trust you will all appreciate just how lucky these guys were.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > DHL International Aviation,
> >
> > Bahrain.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, firewall forward
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
There was a pic of it in Newsweek or Time this week too, while it was in
flight just after the SAM hit. A french (go figure) journalist was with the
Iraqi insurgents.
I know that journalist won't reveal their sources or in this case how to get
ahold of the insurgents scrawny necks so that they might be granted access
in the future, but at some point one has to stand up.
Guess I wouldn't make much of a reporter. After witnessing that (I wouldn't
think I'd live thru trying to stop them) I would be handing over info to the
US Army so they could round up the individuals who did it.
Glad they landed it relatively safely. Hope it convinces those who'd try
that those type of planes aren't quite as easy to shoot down as they'd hope.
From the french *&
%$'s ... I mean journalist's article, they fired a second
missile which misfired.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV
related)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Don't ask where they came from. Pics of the airplane are at:
http://www.toosan.com/misc/DHL_SAM_Attack.jpg
http://www.toosan.com/misc/DHL_SAM_Attack2.jpg
http://www.toosan.com/misc/DHL_SAM_Attack3.jpg
I have more at work that I'll post tomorrow.
Phil
Do not archive
> Although I hate to contribute to the non-RV building noise on
> this list, this
> factual report on the DHL incident from an incident
> investigator may be of
> interest to some of you, if not delete now, and my apologies
> to anyone offended:
>
> >Amazing that the crew was able to land the plane.
>
> >Subject: Fw: FW: Testimony to an A300B4 (Missile Damage to Airbus
> >A-300)
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"aeroelectric-list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
This is going to both the Aeroelectric and RV-lists, in hopes of increasing
probability of someone being able to help with this issue.
I want to put cockpit audio into my video camera when doing test flying to
get pictures of instruments & audio comments I make - should greatly reduce
"head down in cockpit" time taking notes and greatly increase amount of
instrument reading data collected.
I went to Radio Shack and bought a Y adapter (p/n 274-892) with single male
plug that goes into the "audio out" plug on instrument panel. The Y adapter
has two female holes (jacks?) into which the headset audio plug goes and
also a 6' long extension cord with 1/4 male plug that goes into other hole
of Y adapter, with its other end (1/8 male) plugged into video camera's
audio jack.
When I replay cockpit recordings, the audio of the video camera is
distorted - amplitude too high coming out of intercom to be compatible with
video recorder.
- Had same problem in F-100 30 years ago when trying to record
air-to-air combat audio. Now I remember why my Avionics guys put a small
(1" or less) centertap "audio transformer" into a little box (adapter) that
cut the signal amplitude in half - worked fine.
Options:
1. I can do the 1973 version: Buy a small centertapped "audio output
transformer" (RS p/n 273-1380: 1000 ohms and 8 ohms with center tap on the
1000 ohm side?), then cut my 6' RS extension cord somewhere convenient,
strip the cut ends and solder end(s) coming from aircraft audio jack to the
end of the ???
-- I can't even visualize what I have to connect. Looks like the
raw (too big) audio signal would have to go into one end of the winding that
is NOT center-tapped and then have the other end of that winding go ____???.
Then solder the other end of cord (that goes into the video camera) to
center tap (which should have 1/2 audo amplitude of that coming into this
transformer-adapter).
2. While shopping at Radio Shack today, I saw a TV thing: "300 ohm to 75
ohm matching adapter". I'm assuming it has a transformer inside the neat
fat cable housing. Problem: It has two U connectors on one end that
obviously go onto two screws for antenna input; other end looks like a
center conductor TV cable end. That is a 4 to 1 change of ohms (300 to 75
or vice versa) - is it done with a transformer? If so, I could have a
neater adapter by modifying that gadget to have a 1/4" male plug on one end
and a 1/4" female jack on other: I'd then plug it into the Y adapter, then
plug the 6' extension cord (unmodified in this option) into it and run the
extension cord to the video camera.
- It is a $5 part and I'd need add the 1/4" plug on one end and a 1/4
inch jack on the other end.
- Looks hard to do.
If I can have some help figuring how to wire the audio transformer, then
just cutting into the extension cord (it must have two conductors in it) I'd
probably run conductor #1 into side of transformer without center-tap and
connect other cut end of conductor #1 to other end of that transformer. I'd
probably connect one end of conductor #2 to 1 end of the center-tapped side
and the other end of conductor #2 to the center tap.
- After all that, I could just wrap the transformer wires in the cut
area with electrical tape - or pot with RTV or Shoe Goo, etc.
- Which conductor in the above narrative/guess would be conductor #1?
The one that connects to the tip or body of the plug? These are molded
cable ends so I can't unscrew to see wire attachments/colors to the plugs.
Appreciate any tips.
David Carter
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
well, if you want to get back at the french reporter, don't fly airbus! ;-)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Try ...
42-2152
6.5' Attenuating Dubbing Cord
$3.99
... FEATURES: Connects earphone jack from radio, cassette or CD to
recorder's input or mic jack 1/8" phone plug on both ends Length
6-1/2-feet
Radio Shack
42-2152
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Carter
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:33 PM
> To: RV-list; aeroelectric-list
> Subject: RV-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
>[SNIP]
>
> When I replay cockpit recordings, the audio of the video camera is
> distorted - amplitude too high coming out of intercom to be
> compatible with
> video recorder.
> Appreciate any tips.
>
> David Carter
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Dave--
What I did was get a "lapel" mike from RS and ran it in under one of
the David Clark headsets (earcups)--so that anything over the radio or
intercom would be recorded--good S/N and the headset blocked a lot of
the the engine noise out. So, you could talk into your mike and
narrate the filming, as needed. Works great as long as you don't get a
"chatty" Controller on Flight Following, yeah, that'll be the
day--wouldn't you like to tell one, just once--"Shut the f*ck up!"?
Boyd.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
See below:
David Carter wrote:
>Options:
>1. I can do the 1973 version: Buy a small center tapped "audio output
>transformer" (RS p/n 273-1380: 1000 ohms and 8 ohms with center tap on the
>1000 ohm side?), then cut my 6' RS extension cord somewhere convenient,
>strip the cut ends and solder end(s) coming from aircraft audio jack to the
>end of the ???
>
If you want to do this, and assuming that the signal level is
approximately twice what you need, you would connect the audio output
across the two outside winding taps (the two ends) and the audio input
across the center tap and the outside tap that has the ground/common
wire of the input audio. More specifically, cut into your extension
cord (which I am assuming is a shielded audio cable). Connect the
outside conductor (the shield wire) to one of the outside taps of the
transformer. Connect the inside conductor coming from the audio out to
the opposite outside tap and the inside conductor from the audio into
the video camera to the center tap. Insulate and seal with goop (or
whatever) and you are done.
>2. While shopping at Radio Shack today, I saw a TV thing: "300 ohm to 75
>ohm matching adapter". I'm assuming it has a transformer inside the neat
>fat cable housing.
>
This won't work at all. The impedances specified are measured at TV
signal frequencies (100s of MHz). The transformer would look like a
dead short at audio frequencies.
> - Which conductor in the above narrative/guess would be conductor #1?
>The one that connects to the tip or body of the plug? These are molded
>cable ends so I can't unscrew to see wire attachments/colors to the plugs.
>
If you have an ohmmeter (recommended) you could just measure, but see above.
If I were doing this, I wouldn't bother with the transformer. I would
just use a resistor or a potentiometer (start with a 10K pot) in series
with the video camera input. That is, if you cut the cable as above,
just connect each end of the center conductor to each end of the
resistor (or connect the audio output center conductor to one end of the
pot and the shield to the other end and the video camera center
conductor to the center tap of the pot with the shield to the other
shield). If you use the pot, just turn it to whatever setting gives
you good results. If you turn the pot all the way one way you have
essentially the same situation as if it wasn't there, if you turn it all
the way the other way, you will get no output - somewhere in between you
will get the output you need.
If you have other questions or if this is not clear, ask away...
Dick Tasker, 90573
Fuselage, finishing kit has arrived!
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
I'll answer my own e-mail question to both the Aeroelec & RV-lists re how to
wire the "audio out" transformer:
If I remember correctly, there will be two wires in my extension cord - one
connected to tip of plug and other to body of plug.
- Cut the ext cord and, working with cut end still connected to the
1/4" plug that goes into Y adapter - solder both wires to the
non-center-tapped side of transformer.
- Now, take the other cut end of ext cord and connect its two wires to
the other side of the transformer - one wire to an end, other wire to the
center tap. Now the audio signal going into the video camera will be 1/2 as
high an amplitude as before.
Sound correct?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter"
<dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
> This is going to both the Aeroelectric and RV-lists, in hopes of
increasing
> probability of someone being able to help with this issue.
>
> I want to put cockpit audio into my video camera when doing test flying to
> get pictures of instruments & audio comments I make - should greatly
reduce
> "head down in cockpit" time taking notes and greatly increase amount of
> instrument reading data collected.
>
> I went to Radio Shack and bought a Y adapter (p/n 274-892) with single
male
> plug that goes into the "audio out" plug on instrument panel. The Y
adapter
> has two female holes (jacks?) into which the headset audio plug goes and
> also a 6' long extension cord with 1/4 male plug that goes into other hole
> of Y adapter, with its other end (1/8 male) plugged into video camera's
> audio jack.
>
> When I replay cockpit recordings, the audio of the video camera is
> distorted - amplitude too high coming out of intercom to be compatible
with
> video recorder.
> - Had same problem in F-100 30 years ago when trying to record
> air-to-air combat audio. Now I remember why my Avionics guys put a small
> (1" or less) centertap "audio transformer" into a little box (adapter)
that
> cut the signal amplitude in half - worked fine.
>
> Options:
> 1. I can do the 1973 version: Buy a small centertapped "audio output
> transformer" (RS p/n 273-1380: 1000 ohms and 8 ohms with center tap on
the
> 1000 ohm side?), then cut my 6' RS extension cord somewhere convenient,
> strip the cut ends and solder end(s) coming from aircraft audio jack to
the
> end of the ???
> -- I can't even visualize what I have to connect. Looks like
the
> raw (too big) audio signal would have to go into one end of the winding
that
> is NOT center-tapped and then have the other end of that winding go
____???.
> Then solder the other end of cord (that goes into the video camera) to
> center tap (which should have 1/2 audo amplitude of that coming into this
> transformer-adapter).
>
> 2. While shopping at Radio Shack today, I saw a TV thing: "300 ohm to
75
> ohm matching adapter". I'm assuming it has a transformer inside the neat
> fat cable housing. Problem: It has two U connectors on one end that
> obviously go onto two screws for antenna input; other end looks like a
> center conductor TV cable end. That is a 4 to 1 change of ohms (300 to 75
> or vice versa) - is it done with a transformer? If so, I could have a
> neater adapter by modifying that gadget to have a 1/4" male plug on one
end
> and a 1/4" female jack on other: I'd then plug it into the Y adapter,
then
> plug the 6' extension cord (unmodified in this option) into it and run the
> extension cord to the video camera.
> - It is a $5 part and I'd need add the 1/4" plug on one end and a 1/4
> inch jack on the other end.
> - Looks hard to do.
>
> If I can have some help figuring how to wire the audio transformer, then
> just cutting into the extension cord (it must have two conductors in it)
I'd
> probably run conductor #1 into side of transformer without center-tap and
> connect other cut end of conductor #1 to other end of that transformer.
I'd
> probably connect one end of conductor #2 to 1 end of the center-tapped
side
> and the other end of conductor #2 to the center tap.
> - After all that, I could just wrap the transformer wires in the cut
> area with electrical tape - or pot with RTV or Shoe Goo, etc.
> - Which conductor in the above narrative/guess would be conductor #1?
> The one that connects to the tip or body of the plug? These are molded
> cable ends so I can't unscrew to see wire attachments/colors to the plugs.
>
> Appreciate any tips.
>
> David Carter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Sounds like the desire "simple"/"elegant" solution - no cutting and
soldering.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> Dave--
>
> What I did was get a "lapel" mike from RS and ran it in under one of
> the David Clark headsets (earcups)--so that anything over the radio or
> intercom would be recorded--good S/N and the headset blocked a lot of
> the the engine noise out. So, you could talk into your mike and
> narrate the filming, as needed. Works great as long as you don't get a
> "chatty" Controller on Flight Following, yeah, that'll be the
> day--wouldn't you like to tell one, just once--"Shut the f*ck up!"?
>
> Boyd.
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
I have a bunch of photos also that I could forward individually if someone is
interested. They were attached to the original but as you know Matt's
system strips attachments for our protection.
Again DO NOT ARCHIVE.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Got to ask you why Boyd????? second aircraft I built was "pop" rivited
and was just fine.
While I would not do it with an RV, you said to not build any pulled
rivet airplane, why?
Jerry
do not archive
Boyd Braem wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
>DO NOT BUILD A PULLED-RIVET AIRPLANE.
>
>Bradley, Zenith, what ever--so sue me.
>
>Boyd.
>New Zealand.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
Howdy.....I am in the midst of Baffle Hell....!!! (as you who have been
there know)....just wondering if anyone has found on the net (or otherwise) a
source for the plastic grommet type things for the ignition leads to pass through
the rear baffling....
Thanks...
Kurt in OKC....
Still Finishing....
Do Not Archive....
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Harry
I'd be intersted in seeing the pictures.
Thanks
Gert
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> I have a bunch of photos also that I could forward individually if someone is
> interested. They were attached to the original but as you know Matt's
> system strips attachments for our protection.
>
> Again DO NOT ARCHIVE.
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, firewall forward
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
I concur with this. While many places you certainly CAN do yourself. It is
much easier and has the potential for less risk of error if you have a
helping hand. I have the fortune of having many builders in the Cincinnati
area and several have come over to help when I asked. We end up swapping
time for those "two people are better than one" times. I found two people
were helpful on the tank rib riveting , leading edge ribs to spar, wing
skins and a couple other places. This was a slow build wing of course.
Actually I like sharing time with other people. It's nice to go over
especially and help someone who is a little further along. I'm not sure you
can live anywhere in the country where there aren't some other builders
around. I didn't know any of these folks until I started and now many I
count as friends. Even flew up to Oshkosh with another builder who I met on
a project visit. Just got back tonight from helping someone on the tail of
their fuselage. Unfortunately we talked more than worked but I promised to
go back next week too (He had a Harley in his garage so I was a little
distracted).
Curt Hoffman
RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
Quick build fuselage now in basement
Piper Cherokee N5320W
1974 TR6
Soon to be Harley Road King Classic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Building solo
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Yes you will have some tasks such as the hard to reach rivets that do
> require assistance. The old saw " two heads are better than one" still
> applies ( the pun is gratis) g-}
>
> There are so many builders out there, that unless you are way ...---...out
> in the boonies it should not be difficult to get assistance as needed.
Tell
> the list where geographically you plan to build and my guess is someone
will
> be in range to help. Some guys will do anything for an excuse to fly
> somewhere and be helpful.
> A lunch and a beer or two and Bobs your uncle. Caution!! more than a few
> beers and he might wind up being your long lost son!! ~~Hic! {[:)
> If you are in a remote area it might take more planning but it is done by
> people all over the world. The local shop class instructor might have in
> mind someone with the right skills.
>
> If you reside in North America, the EAA in the US or the RAA in Canada are
> good sources of information and assistance etc.
>
> As the wings and much of the fuse are built the Q-build kits do reduce the
> helper required time but some assistance is still needed.
> Careful assembly order planning can reduce the need for a helper to a
degree
> similar to or at least close to the Q-build requirements.
> Every bit of information you cold imagine is in the RV-List archives.
Where
> to, how to, why to It takes a while to get onto how to ask the right
> questions but it is all there.
>
> I think you will find the RV group just as helpful as any other group that
> start out to build a project and wind up sharing a passion. The friends
met
> along the way will add that something extra that cannot be explained.
>
> Happy building, whatever apssion you choose,
>
>
> Jim in Kelowna
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Building solo
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been thinking of building an RV. I am held up by one
> > notion, that is it is hard to build a driven rivet (versus
> > pulled ala Zenith models) kit solo. My lovely wife is not one to
> > get her hands dirty. I have no airplane nut friends in the area
> > I can rely on to come buck rivets; especially on my wacky
> > schedule. How difficult is it to build an RV 7 (matched hole,
> > slow build) solo? Would a QB take care of all the hard to do
> > solo riveting? How often do you actually need another person's
> > help? If it matters, I'm tall with long arms to reach around and
> > buck for myself if that is possible...
> >
> > cheers,
> > Chuck
> > RV grin installed in August '01
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
> > http://companion.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV6AOKC@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling......
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
Howdy.....I am in the midst of Baffle Hell....!!! (as you who have been
there know)....just wondering if anyone has found on the net (or otherwise)
a
source for the plastic grommet type things for the ignition leads to pass
through
the rear baffling....
Thanks...
Kurt in OKC....
Still Finishing....
Do Not Archive....
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
No problem .. Aircraft Spruce has them .....
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php
...gil in Tucson
At 09:08 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
>
>Howdy.....I am in the midst of Baffle Hell....!!! (as you who have been
>there know)....just wondering if anyone has found on the net (or otherwise) a
>source for the plastic grommet type things for the ignition leads to pass
>through
>the rear baffling....
>
>Thanks...
>
>Kurt in OKC....
>Still Finishing....
>
>Do Not Archive....
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
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| Subject: | Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
Maybe this message would have been better sent privately.
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Dave--
What I did was get a "lapel" mike from RS and ran it in under one of
the David Clark headsets (earcups)--so that anything over the radio or
intercom would be recorded--good S/N and the headset blocked a lot of
the the engine noise out. So, you could talk into your mike and
narrate the filming, as needed. Works great as long as you don't get a
"chatty" Controller on Flight Following, yeah, that'll be the
day--wouldn't you like to tell one, just once--"Shut the f*ck up!"?
Boyd.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Patty & Dan Krueger <pndkrueg@mchsi.com>
>
> source for the plastic grommet type things for the ignition leads to
> pass through
> the rear baffling....
>
> A/C Spruce 2003-2004 pg 248
Dan Krueger
RV6A N926DK - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: /Rockets going Up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 10:33 2003-12-04, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
>snip
>Now if I can just get these EM2 engine monitors out the door so I can
>finish the -8 .............
>
>Tracy
>
>do not archive this testosterone laced hangar flying :)
..doesn't running a successful business just get in the way sometimes..
so, how's the 2.85s coming along? P-)
I've got a mini-rocket to build...
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
They make in-line attenuators. Radio shack may even have one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
> This is going to both the Aeroelectric and RV-lists, in hopes of
increasing
> probability of someone being able to help with this issue.
>
> I want to put cockpit audio into my video camera when doing test flying to
> get pictures of instruments & audio comments I make - should greatly
reduce
> "head down in cockpit" time taking notes and greatly increase amount of
> instrument reading data collected.
>
> I went to Radio Shack and bought a Y adapter (p/n 274-892) with single
male
> plug that goes into the "audio out" plug on instrument panel. The Y
adapter
> has two female holes (jacks?) into which the headset audio plug goes and
> also a 6' long extension cord with 1/4 male plug that goes into other hole
> of Y adapter, with its other end (1/8 male) plugged into video camera's
> audio jack.
>
> When I replay cockpit recordings, the audio of the video camera is
> distorted - amplitude too high coming out of intercom to be compatible
with
> video recorder.
> - Had same problem in F-100 30 years ago when trying to record
> air-to-air combat audio. Now I remember why my Avionics guys put a small
> (1" or less) centertap "audio transformer" into a little box (adapter)
that
> cut the signal amplitude in half - worked fine.
>
> Options:
> 1. I can do the 1973 version: Buy a small centertapped "audio output
> transformer" (RS p/n 273-1380: 1000 ohms and 8 ohms with center tap on
the
> 1000 ohm side?), then cut my 6' RS extension cord somewhere convenient,
> strip the cut ends and solder end(s) coming from aircraft audio jack to
the
> end of the ???
> -- I can't even visualize what I have to connect. Looks like
the
> raw (too big) audio signal would have to go into one end of the winding
that
> is NOT center-tapped and then have the other end of that winding go
____???.
> Then solder the other end of cord (that goes into the video camera) to
> center tap (which should have 1/2 audo amplitude of that coming into this
> transformer-adapter).
>
> 2. While shopping at Radio Shack today, I saw a TV thing: "300 ohm to
75
> ohm matching adapter". I'm assuming it has a transformer inside the neat
> fat cable housing. Problem: It has two U connectors on one end that
> obviously go onto two screws for antenna input; other end looks like a
> center conductor TV cable end. That is a 4 to 1 change of ohms (300 to 75
> or vice versa) - is it done with a transformer? If so, I could have a
> neater adapter by modifying that gadget to have a 1/4" male plug on one
end
> and a 1/4" female jack on other: I'd then plug it into the Y adapter,
then
> plug the 6' extension cord (unmodified in this option) into it and run the
> extension cord to the video camera.
> - It is a $5 part and I'd need add the 1/4" plug on one end and a 1/4
> inch jack on the other end.
> - Looks hard to do.
>
> If I can have some help figuring how to wire the audio transformer, then
> just cutting into the extension cord (it must have two conductors in it)
I'd
> probably run conductor #1 into side of transformer without center-tap and
> connect other cut end of conductor #1 to other end of that transformer.
I'd
> probably connect one end of conductor #2 to 1 end of the center-tapped
side
> and the other end of conductor #2 to the center tap.
> - After all that, I could just wrap the transformer wires in the cut
> area with electrical tape - or pot with RTV or Shoe Goo, etc.
> - Which conductor in the above narrative/guess would be conductor #1?
> The one that connects to the tip or body of the plug? These are molded
> cable ends so I can't unscrew to see wire attachments/colors to the plugs.
>
> Appreciate any tips.
>
> David Carter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Thanks to both lists (RV & Aeroelec) for the replies - looks like about 4
ways to skin this cat. I needed a little extra "push" to buy a noise
canceling headset - so my fix can cost anywhere from $1.29 (transformer) to
$3 for a lapel mic to $250-400 for the noise canceling headset + a lapel
mic.
- Let's see. . . eeny, meeney, miney, moe.
No kidding - thanks. I think this is enough good ideas for this one.
Do not archive.
David Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
>
> The best way to get audio into a video camera in flight - -
> Use a good noise canceling headset.
> Use a good electret microphone that is placed INSIDE the ear piece
> of the noise canceling headset.
>
> Run the microphone to the video camera.
>
> That way - - you get all the audio - - and just enough background
> engine noise for "realism". Works very very well for the training video's
> that we make.
>
> George
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| Subject: | Propeller Performance Testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Jim Ayers posted some data a couple of days ago regarding a speed
increase with the Hartzell prop on an RV-6a by reducing the RPM.
I found this interesting, so I thought I go out and try to duplicate the data.
It looked like a good calm night tonight, so I thought I'd go out and
see if I what I found. I have an RV-6 with an O-360/Hartzell CS.
So, armed with a test card, I fired up the RV and headed to the
Camarillo area to burn some fuel. I like this area because it's flat
and any on-shore breeze isn't disrupted by mountains or such.
OAT was 16C, so I flew at 6400 (with the altimeter set to 29.92) to
get an 8000 ft density altitude. I got to altitutde and engaged the
2 axis AP, set up full throttle and full rpm (which is 2680). I
found the max EGT on #3 (hottest cyl), then backed up 50 deg.
I let everything stabilize then noted the GPS ground speed and the
ground track. Then turned about 120 degrees, and again let things
stablize and take ground speed and track. Once again another 120
degrees off the last heading.
I could tell the winds were really light. Speeds were 178, 179, and
177. Back at the computer program (I picked up from Kevin Horton's
flight test site), it show a 1 kt wind and a 178 avg speed. This is 2
kts less than I usually get. I changed a bunch of instrumentation
when I upgraded the RV a couple months ago, so that could have had a
effect, or maybe the air mass was decending slightly. You never
know. Indicated AS was 156-7.
I left everything alone, except I reduced the RPM to 2600 and did the
3 way run again. Speeds were 177,178,179. Again an average of 178
with a resultant wind of 1 kt. IAS was 156 kts.
Reduced to 2500 and got 177,176,176 for 176 avg with 1 kt of wind.
IAS was 155 kts.
2400 showed 174,175,173 for a 174 avg again with 1 kt. IAS wass 153kts
Just to double check the top speed to make sure everything was still
cool, I redid the first run again. 177,179,180 for 178 with 1 kt of
wind.
I like to use the wind results to validate the speeds. They SHOULD
be close if the data is to be believed. Sometimes it doesn't work
out, so that's why I mention it. Tuned out to be a really good
night. Not even a bump during the whole series.
Since I knew the winds were light, on the way home, I did a simple
double check. I stayed at the same altitude (6400) and full power
and noted a 180 ground speed, then reduced the rpm to 2600, speed
dropped by 1, down to 2500 and it dropped to 177, 2400 slowed to
175. This is not anywhere close to being as accurate, but it rough
enough to verify the results of the first tests.
Of course the one thing I forgot to record was GPH for the different
RPM settings. Oh well.
FInal results at 8000 DA:
2680 = 178kts
2600 = 178kts
2500 = 176kts
2400 = 174kts
So....I didn't see the TAS rise that Jim did during his tests with the RV-6a.
At least that's what I found tonight.
Laird
SoCal
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