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1. 12:43 AM - VOX Problem (JNice51355@aol.com)
2. 04:26 AM - Re: VOX Problem (Bob U.)
3. 05:19 AM - Pitot tubes (Jim Nolan)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: Building solo (Joe Cleck)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: Building solo (thomas a. sargent)
6. 08:48 AM - A new alternative engine, WOW !!! (Donald Mei)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: A new alternative engine, WOW !!! (Bob Hassel)
8. 12:48 PM - Re: VOX Problem (Michael McGee)
9. 12:59 PM - Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... (HCRV6@aol.com)
10. 01:11 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (HCRV6@aol.com)
11. 03:09 PM - Prop and RV-6 wings for sale (Doug Weiler)
12. 03:57 PM - RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade (pjoslin)
13. 04:05 PM - Center bearing on Stab. (BELTEDAIR@aol.com)
14. 04:11 PM - Re: Center bearing on Stab. (Charlie & Tupper England)
15. 04:19 PM - Re: Amazing story Re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) (Gert)
16. 04:21 PM - Re: Prop and RV-6 wings for sale (Randy Compton)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade (Stein Bruch)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade (Doug Rozendaal)
19. 09:21 PM - Car gas in Ellisons (Gary Crowder)
20. 09:42 PM - Carb heat connector P/N DL-07 (kempthornes)
21. 09:46 PM - Re: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade (kempthornes)
22. 10:14 PM - Re: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade (Doug Gray)
23. 11:06 PM - Where's the best place to purchase PPG? (jgburns)
24. 11:13 PM - Re: SL-30 Intercom (GMC)
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--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
Folks
I am having an intercom problem in my spam can that I need some advice with.
Here is what is happening:
1. PTT Switch installed into mic jack and headset installed in headset jack
gives good TX and RCV on radios but NO Voice Actuated Intercom. This can be
duplicated on both pilot and copilot side of airplane.
2. PTT Switch installed as above except in the back seat area gives no TX
cuz it isn't wired for it back there, but has good RCV and will give sidetone
when PTT is keyed, but still no VOX.
3. Hooking up headsets to the headset jack and plugging the mic into the mic
jack gives good VOX from all positions along with good RCV.
Note that I have bought new PTT switch twice and symptoms did not change. I
took one of the "new" PTT switches to a "known good" aircraft and it still
didn't work. It did, however, work with the aircraft owners own PTT switch. I
have not yet taken a "known good" PTT switch to my aircraft. I just find it
difficult to believe that I would have the same problem with two new PTT
switches from different sources. Any help is appreciated.
Jim Nice
WA State
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
>Note that I have bought new PTT switch twice and symptoms did not change. I
>took one of the "new" PTT switches to a "known good" aircraft and it still
>didn't work. It did, however, work with the aircraft owners own PTT switch.
I
>have not yet taken a "known good" PTT switch to my aircraft. I just find it
>difficult to believe that I would have the same problem with two new PTT
>switches from different sources. Any help is appreciated.
>
>Jim Nice
>WA State
>
Absolutely begin with a "known good" PTT for your aircraft.
Are these $12 to $25 type PTT's?
If so.... think of them as low quality junk.
You can USUALLY tell high quality --
It makes you go 'OUCH' when you have
to plunk down your hard earned cash. <g>
YMMV.
Bob - sometimes you get what you pay for.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jamespnolan@earthlink.net>
Listers,
Does anyone know if a Heated Pitot/static blade from a PA-28 161 have
the same mounting holes as a PA-28 140C. I had to order the 161 blade
because Piper didn't have the blade for the 140C. They couldn't tell me if
they were the same, all they could say was they had different part no's and
the blade length was the same.
By the way, there's no information about what I'm asking in the
archives and our local aircraft maintenance shop doesn't have that
information and this is RV related.
Jim Nolan
N444JN
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Cleck <rvfan661@yahoo.com>
Hi Chuck,
I'm building an RV-9A with one arm. Not much solo sucess when my partner isn't
around (sloooooow progress) but my wife, kids, friends, and neighbors seem to
like watching me putter around and jump in when needed. I'd like to suggest
you call around to people in your area who are building or flying an RV. That's
pretty easy to do since a list is provided with the Info Pack from Vans. If
you didn't order the info pack, they might just send you the list; I don't know.
Or just order the emp. She wouldn't let a
few thousand bucks sit in the garage unused just because you needed a little
rivet help, would she? :)
Have fun and order the tail.
Joe Fleck
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| Subject: | Re: Building solo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
A quick build would certainly help. I'm pretty far into a RV-6A QB right now. However,
I am impressed that some people have been able to do nearly all of the
riveting solo. I don't think I could do that even though I wear a shirt with
a 34 inch sleeve. I ruin enough of the rivets as it is. I remember thinking
as my father and I were riveting the wing skin and the VS, that doing it alone
would be extremely difficult. Maybe if I had to do it solo I would have figured
out how, but I'm doubtful. You can only drill out a rivet so many times
and get away with it.
The worst thing about building for me is fouling up a piece I've put a lot of work
into and having to spend a lot more time fixing it or re-building it entirely.
I would have had to do a lot more of that if I didn't have help riveting.
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | A new alternative engine, WOW !!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
185 hp at 2400 rpm
turbo
runs on jet fuel or diesel
Cost $6795
Weight might be an issue though.
Go here
http://www.surpluscenter.com
Then enter this number into the search window:
28-1474
This is meant as a joke, but its still interesting to see what else other
moter driven conveyances use. Funny thing is that except for this things
weight, it has all the right specs.
Don Mei
do not archive
"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
Get holiday tips for festive fun.
http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
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| Subject: | A new alternative engine, WOW !!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Wow and a shipping weight of only 1400 pounds... :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donald Mei
Subject: RV-List: A new alternative engine, WOW !!!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
185 hp at 2400 rpm
turbo
runs on jet fuel or diesel
Cost $6795
Weight might be an issue though.
Go here
http://www.surpluscenter.com
Then enter this number into the search window:
28-1474
This is meant as a joke, but its still interesting to see what else other
moter driven conveyances use. Funny thing is that except for this things
weight, it has all the right specs.
Don Mei
do not archive
"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
Get holiday tips for festive fun.
http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 00:42 2003-12-06, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
>
>Folks
>I am having an intercom problem in my spam can that I need some advice with.
>Here is what is happening:
>1. PTT Switch installed into mic jack and headset installed in headset jack
>gives good TX and RCV on radios but NO Voice Actuated Intercom. This can be
>duplicated on both pilot and copilot side of airplane.
>2. PTT Switch installed as above except in the back seat area gives no TX
>cuz it isn't wired for it back there, but has good RCV and will give sidetone
>when PTT is keyed, but still no VOX.
>3. Hooking up headsets to the headset jack and plugging the mic into the mic
>jack gives good VOX from all positions along with good RCV.
>
>Note that I have bought new PTT switch twice and symptoms did not change. I
>took one of the "new" PTT switches to a "known good" aircraft and it still
>didn't work. It did, however, work with the aircraft owners own PTT
>switch. I
>have not yet taken a "known good" PTT switch to my aircraft. I just find it
>difficult to believe that I would have the same problem with two new PTT
>switches from different sources. Any help is appreciated.
>
>Jim Nice
>WA State
Jim, there are two different ways to wire a PTT switch and they are not
interchangeable. It has specifically to do with two different types of
intercoms and the VOX equipment. For a good treatise on this hit Jim
Weir's RST Electronics web site:
http://www.rst-engr.com/
Or straight to the PDF file on PTT switches:
http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/support/APNOTE03.pdf
I've had to have two different sets of PTT switches depending on which
portable intercom setup I'm using. If I set it up for PTT from both
stations I need one style of PTT. If it's just pilot PTT the other style
is used and plugged in differently. For my Flightcom panel mount intercom
with VOX only one style of PTT would work. After you read the above PDF
file you'll understand why.
Blue skies,
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Gromet for Rear Baffling...... |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/03 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, RV6AOKC@aol.com
writes:
<< source for the plastic grommet type things for the ignition leads to pass
through
the rear baffling.... >>
Spruce and Wicks both carry them in their catalogs. I can't give the exact
pages because I don't have my catalogs handy.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/03 6:44:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, gert@execpc.com
writes:
<< gert@execpc.com >>
Did you get them?
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Prop and RV-6 wings for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Fellow Listers:
I am posting this for a friend here in Minneapolis. He has two items for
sale:
1. Aymer-Demuth wood prop for 180 hp Lycoming. Cruise pitch. Excellent
condition. $300
2. RV-6 wings from partially completed kit. The wings are 90% finished and
includes center section components. $3500
Contact me off list and I'll forward your inquiry.
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
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| Subject: | RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade |
--> RV-List message posted by: "pjoslin" <pjoslin@bellsouth.net>
I have recently purchased a low time RV6-A with 0-320 160HP fixed pitch. With emphasis
on cruise speed and cost which constant speed propeller combination would
fellow listers recommend. I went into the archives but still not sure. Thanks
for any suggestions or tips.
Pete Joslin
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| Subject: | Center bearing on Stab. |
--> RV-List message posted by: BELTEDAIR@aol.com
Checking the archives we can't find too much info on the center Stab.bearing
a 218 or VA number, is this bearing supposed to be a ball bearing or a
sintered bronze insert in an aluminum mount? Thanks Jess
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| Subject: | Re: Center bearing on Stab. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
BELTEDAIR@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: BELTEDAIR@aol.com
>
>Checking the archives we can't find too much info on the center Stab.bearing
>a 218 or VA number, is this bearing supposed to be a ball bearing or a
>sintered bronze insert in an aluminum mount? Thanks Jess
>
which plane?
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing story re: DHL incident at Bagdad Int'l (NOT RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hi Harry
Thanks !! they appeared to have arrived in good condition after
unzipping, thanks again..........
Gert
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/4/03 6:44:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, gert@execpc.com
> writes:
>
> << gert@execpc.com >>
>
> Did you get them?
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, firewall forward
>
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is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Prop and RV-6 wings for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
I'm seriously interested in the DeMuth prop. Does the $300 include
shipping? I'm in Gulf breeze, Fl, just outside Pensacola. How does your
friend want to be paid? Is a personal check ok...I swear it won't bounce!
:-)
Thanks,
Randy Compton
850-932-9381
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Subject: RV-List: Prop and RV-6 wings for sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> I am posting this for a friend here in Minneapolis. He has two items for
> sale:
>
> 1. Aymer-Demuth wood prop for 180 hp Lycoming. Cruise pitch. Excellent
> condition. $300
>
> 2. RV-6 wings from partially completed kit. The wings are 90% finished
and
> includes center section components. $3500
>
> Contact me off list and I'll forward your inquiry.
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug Weiler
> Hudson, WI
>
>
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| Subject: | RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
If you're purely interested in cruise speed, the F/P's will most of the time
outrun the C/S's on the top end. That being said, the C/S's can cruise
using 1-1.5gph less fuel. One of our own high time pilots here in the citis
with a "hotrod" did some figuring.
To earn back the cost of the C/S in fuel will take somewhere in the
neighboorhood of 1200 hrs. Remember, they also need an overhaul which costs
a bunch!
If you're purely interested in cost and speed, stick with a good course FP
Sensenich, if you want to climb like greased lightning, buy a C/S, but don't
be dissapointed when it's not a whole lot faster on the full outright top
end. Don't get me wrong, the C/S props are great for going up real fast,
and coming down real fast, but even with my lowly FP sensenich, I can still
easily get in an out of my 1500' grass strip with trees on the end, and I
can go every bit as fast outright as the C/S guys I fly with.
Just my 2 cents!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of pjoslin
Subject: RV-List: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade
--> RV-List message posted by: "pjoslin" <pjoslin@bellsouth.net>
I have recently purchased a low time RV6-A with 0-320 160HP fixed pitch.
With emphasis on cruise speed and cost which constant speed propeller
combination would fellow listers recommend. I went into the archives but
still not sure. Thanks for any suggestions or tips.
Pete Joslin
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| Subject: | Re: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Sir,
"With emphasis on cruise speed and cost," stay with a fixed pitch. A fixed
pitch prop with a big bite in it will cruise as fast, or faster than a C/S
and is a bunch cheaper! The only thing that suffers is the climb
performance. But to get the speed, you need a metal fixed pitch. They are
much more effiecient.
If you want to climb like a homesick angel, and go fast, you gotta have a
C/S, and none of them are cheap.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "pjoslin" <pjoslin@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade
> --> RV-List message posted by: "pjoslin" <pjoslin@bellsouth.net>
>
> I have recently purchased a low time RV6-A with 0-320 160HP fixed pitch.
With emphasis on cruise speed and cost which constant speed propeller
combination would fellow listers recommend. I went into the archives but
still not sure. Thanks for any suggestions or tips.
> Pete Joslin
>
>
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| Subject: | Car gas in Ellisons |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary Crowder" <rv9@3rivers.net>
I would like to hear from anyone who has experience running car gas with an Ellison
TBI.
Thanks,
Gary RV-9A 55 hrs
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| Subject: | Carb heat connector P/N DL-07 |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hi,
I have cowling off my RV6a and one thing I wanted to check on was why carb
heat seems to have so little effect. Door operates properly, horizontal
muff (Robbins I think) is okay. I look at another RV and see it does not
have the part P/N DL-07 that mine has. This part creates two gaps about
1/2 by 2 1/2 each. Van's catalog says:
"Stand-off design allows hot air to escape when carb heat is not selected
and allows full operation of lever opening alternate air door."
Makes some sense but ... how does yours work?
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 06:58 PM 12/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>If you're purely interested in cruise speed, the F/P's will most of the time
>outrun the C/S's on the top end.
On the other hand, if you are only interested in climb performance, the F/P
prop is the best choice. ?????
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I know you didn't ask but the other issue to consider is if the engine
has a hollow crankshaft and if so, if the internal plug has had a hole
punched through it. This mod is often toted as necessary in order to
fit a f/p prop.
If the hole is punched, I understand the plug must be removed and
replaced before the c/s prop can be fitted. Most folks like to bulk
strip the engine to refit the plug since access is blocked by a small tube.
Refer to page 40 of Tony Bingelis' book "on Engines" for a helpful
illustration.
Lots in the archive on this subject so do not archive.
Doug Gray
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> Sir,
>
> "With emphasis on cruise speed and cost," stay with a fixed pitch. A fixed
> pitch prop with a big bite in it will cruise as fast, or faster than a C/S
> and is a bunch cheaper! The only thing that suffers is the climb
> performance. But to get the speed, you need a metal fixed pitch. They are
> much more effiecient.
>
> If you want to climb like a homesick angel, and go fast, you gotta have a
> C/S, and none of them are cheap.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pjoslin" <pjoslin@bellsouth.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV6-A Constant Speed Upgrade
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "pjoslin" <pjoslin@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>I have recently purchased a low time RV6-A with 0-320 160HP fixed pitch.
>
> With emphasis on cruise speed and cost which constant speed propeller
> combination would fellow listers recommend. I went into the archives but
> still not sure. Thanks for any suggestions or tips.
>
>>Pete Joslin
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Where's the best place to purchase PPG? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
I've decided to try PPG DP48 two part Epoxy Primer (white) if it's readily available.
Otherwise, DX 1791 - Self-Etching Wash Primer.
The PPG website is not easy to navigate. I'd appreciate a URL or advice on where
to purchase.
Thanks,
John
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Has anyone had any good/bad experience just using the internal intercom
within the SL30?
Hi Amit
I am using the internal intercom in a SL-60 GPS/COMM which is probably the
same. It is satisfactory but not as good as intercoms that use individual
microphone circuits.
Setup is critical, getting the squelch, gain and other settings set properly
makes it give reasonable performance. Setup is done with the front panel
controls and some settings are in the maintenance section which is accessed
on startup. Should be in installation manual.
George McNutt
Langley, BC
6A
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