Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:54 AM - Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base (Doug Gray)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper (GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com)
3. 05:08 AM - Baggage area fit-a little OT:-) (Dana Overall)
4. 05:14 AM - Baggage...oops (Dana Overall)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon (Bruce Swayze)
6. 07:05 AM - Re: John Johanson - another new article (C. Rabaut)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon (Dan Checkoway)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper (Dave Bristol)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper (Vincent Welch)
10. 08:18 AM - Re: Anyone in the Chicago area? (DWENSING@aol.com)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: Does any KSTL area builder need help or want to show off RV project? (Ron Burnett)
12. 10:22 AM - stuff on eBay (czechsix@juno.com)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base (Richard Byrd)
14. 11:47 AM - Amazing video (Darwin N. Barrie)
15. 12:32 PM - Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost his way (C. Rabaut)
16. 12:37 PM - Re: Gas scooter fits in baggage compartment (Jeff Dowling)
17. 12:40 PM - Re: Anyone in the Chicago area? (Jeff Dowling)
18. 01:15 PM - A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (Scott Bilinski)
19. 01:55 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (SportAV8R@aol.com)
20. 01:55 PM - (C. Rabaut)
21. 03:10 PM - (Mickey Coggins)
22. 03:38 PM - Re: (James E. Clark)
23. 03:38 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (James E. Clark)
24. 03:40 PM - Re: Amazing video (C. Rabaut)
25. 03:40 PM - Jon Johanson (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
26. 03:51 PM - Re: National Science Foundation (Alex Peterson)
27. 04:07 PM - Re: RV7-List: Re: Amazing video (Darwin N. Barrie)
28. 04:12 PM - Re: Amazing video (Jeff Dowling)
29. 04:29 PM - Re: Amazing video (Jim Jewell)
30. 04:41 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
31. 04:48 PM - Re: Amazing video (Bobby Sather)
32. 04:56 PM - Re: Jon & avgas in Antarctica (Blanton Fortson)
33. 05:05 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office (Mickey Coggins)
34. 05:14 PM - Re: (Bob Hassel)
35. 05:31 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Andy)
36. 05:45 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Jerry Springer)
37. 05:56 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (Bill Dube)
38. 06:12 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (Curt Hoffman)
39. 06:16 PM - OT: Off to FL (Ken Balch)
40. 06:20 PM - Re: Amazing video (Alex Peterson)
41. 07:36 PM - Re: Amazing video (Sam Buchanan)
42. 07:46 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (James E. Clark)
43. 08:18 PM - TBird crash-what happened (Darwin N. Barrie)
44. 08:52 PM - Re:Jon and VH-NOJ (Peter Madden)
45. 10:50 PM - McMurdo Twits (Warren W Hurd)
46. 11:44 PM - Re: Scotch-Brite (Dave Smith)
47. 11:53 PM - McMurdo Fuel (Warren W Hurd)
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| Subject: | Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
http://news.google.com.au/
has a number of links
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper |
--> RV-List message posted by: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com
I bought the fuel flow pulsation damper for my RV 6 with IO-360 B1B engine
(Transducer installed on top of engine before the distribution valve). My fuel
flow during the first ten hours of flying has been amazingly accurate. All
readings have been within .1 gallon total fuel. I do not think I will install the
damper unless next summer it is required due to the heat. The fuel flow
indication on my RMI Engine Monitor has been very steady at all power settings.
One
note to mention: I used a large radius bend in the stainless steel #4 line
leading into the transducer, which may have improved the flow. Sharp bends in
this area are problematic for proper uninterrupted flow.
Greg Schmidt
N250GS RV-6S
Phoenix DVT
Flying
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| Subject: | Baggage area fit-a little OT:-) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Anyone camping around me is certainly in trouble. I was curious, until I
finished my canopy, whether a certain piece of "required" baggage would fit
in it's case. After a little downsizing of the case, it does fit.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo1.jpg wonder if it's going to fit under
here
http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo.jpg out of the case,a rough way to travel
http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo1.jpg case with canopy closed
People around me at OSH, SNF,or that little ol southwestern flyin camping
under the trees,may want to vote me off the island and banish me to the
plastic airplane section........but "it fits"!!
Let's see, a nice little grass strip, parked under a tree, cold pop and a
cigar (and I don't even smoke) making a little noise................sounds
like fun:-) Can I play it, heck no, but I have fun:-)
Yes, I did a search of the archives for "banjo" and only found banjo
fittings!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I didn't change one address, for those who care to look
http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo2.jpg case with canopy closed
For those wondering if a guitar will fit, this is a full size 5 string
banjo.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>
Hello Dan!
I've followed your web site with great interest, and I really like your
panel! My question is, do you plan on putting in a "Glove Box" for maps,
paperwork and so on? It looks like you have quite a bit of room on the
right side of the panel for one. Just curious about your thoughts on this
issue.
Bruce Swayze
DO NOT ARCHIVE
At 05:58 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Top dead center, oh wait that means something else. But yeah, no doubt --
>center of my field of view:
>
>http://rvproject.com/images/panel/panel_640x210.jpg
>
>You mentioned using some conventional backups but no conventional airspeed
>indicator? Curious.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
---
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| Subject: | Re: John Johanson - another new article |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
We all have stories of friendship and people stepping forward to lend a
little help when needed. Hey if it comes down to a $$ issue... I'd be
happy to donate $100.00 USD (& I'm literally a "blue collar", middle aged
working guy, with a wife, a mortgage, numerous bills, & two kids to pay
for). If it's a letter or phone call campaign, I'd be happy to assist
there too.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: <John.Morrissey@csiro.au>
Subject: RE: RV-List: John Johanson - another new article
> --> RV-List message posted by: <John.Morrissey@csiro.au>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking at the Australian Antarctic Division web site I notice there is
> a re-supply voyage in late December (we just missed the last one). I've
> sent them an email asking how much to ship the fuel. It will be
> interesting to see the answer.
>
> Voyage details
>
> Voyage 5 Ship : Vasiliy Golovnin Updated on 03-SEP-2003
> Purpose of voyage : Continental resupply
> Comments : This voyage is to undertake resupply (apart from cargo can be
> carried on Voyage 2 to Davis) of all continental stations. The AAD
> contact for this voyage is Chris McGuire. Any queries should be directed
> to Chris on (03) 62323274 or chris.mcguire@aad.gov.au. To ensure that
> there is not a backlog of cargo to be packed after closing date, Program
> and Project Managers should arrange for Voyage 5 cargo to be delivered
> to Macquarie 4 as early as possible. For further information on cargo
> delivery to macquarie 4, please email cargo@aad.gov.au or phone (03)
> 62226382.
>
> Unless alternative prior arrangements are made, cargo for this voyage
> should be delivered before 28-NOV-2003. Enquiries regarding the delivery
> of cargo should be directed to the AAD Cargo Facility Ph (61) 03 6222
> 6382. Cargo for this voyage should be delivered to the AAD's Cargo
> Facility at Macquarie No.4, Hobart.
>
> Voyage leader : MR Chris MCGUIRE
> Deputy Leader : MR Brett QUINTON
>
>
> Location Arrival Date Departure Date Visit details
> Hobart 26/DEC/2003 30/DEC/2003 On-hire, load cargo, Casey and Mawson
> SAB.
> Casey 08/JAN/2004 14/JAN/2004 Resupply, deliver SAB, load RTA cargo.
>
> Mawson 21/JAN/2004 27/JAN/2004 Resupply, deliver SAB, load RTA cargo,
> retrieve summer personnel.
> Davis 30/JAN/2004 05/FEB/2004 Minor resupply (see Voyage 2), load RTA
> cargo.
> Hobart 16/FEB/2004 18/FEB/2004 Discharge, off-hire.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Nope, I actually think that using a huge chunk of the panel for storage is
an incredible waste of space & volume that would otherwise be reserved for
future panel expansion.
I'm going to store various items like charts, fuel strainer, flashlight,
pens, etc. in pockets located amidst the upholstery in convenient places
around the cabin.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Swayze" <swayze@europa.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>
>
> Hello Dan!
>
> I've followed your web site with great interest, and I really like your
> panel! My question is, do you plan on putting in a "Glove Box" for maps,
> paperwork and so on? It looks like you have quite a bit of room on the
> right side of the panel for one. Just curious about your thoughts on this
> issue.
>
> Bruce Swayze
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> At 05:58 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >
> >Top dead center, oh wait that means something else. But yeah, no
doubt --
> >center of my field of view:
> >
> >http://rvproject.com/images/panel/panel_640x210.jpg
> >
> >You mentioned using some conventional backups but no conventional
airspeed
> >indicator? Curious.
> >
> >do not archive
> >)_( Dan
> >RV-7 N714D
> >http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Wheeler,
Have you tried a restriction in the line before the transducer? Not in
the fuel line of course, but the line leading to the transducer. That
just might smooth it out.
Dave, RV6, CPM
EAA Technical Counselor
Wheeler North wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
>
>Although the boost pump causes it to oscillate more and read higher the
>transducer oscillates with either pump, soooo, I was hoping this would make
>the thing a little more stable if I can figure out where the heck to install
>it. Any experiences out there.
>
>My existing system is tank - boost pump - fuel valve - transducer on floor
>in cabin - gascolator - hose to engine FP - hose to carb. I was kinda
>hoping that having the transducer between the ball and the gascolator would
>be the best option, but now I don't know.
>
>thx
>W
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel flow pulsation damper |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
A pulstation damper simply adds volume to the system to absorb surges.
Trapping the air is not really an issue. A damper usually is just inserted
into the system with a tee. I think between the pumps would be just fine.
Remember, this advise is worth every penny that you paid for it. :)
Vince Welch
Industrial Instrumentation Tech
>From: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: "''rv-list@matronics.com' '" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Fuel flow pulsation damper
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:03:51 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
>Folks,
>
>second time I'm asking this, and second time I got nothing useful out of
>archives.
>
>The steel ball fuel flow pulsation damper that Matt sells just arrived. It
>is a ball with a nipple on the side. It has no extention extending into it
>to keep air trapped inside no matter what attitude the aircraft might find
>itself.
>
>So is air being trapped inside important to its function, it seems like it
>should be, but I'll be darned if I can tell how it would stay there if one
>flies upside down or negative for any time.
>
>Also the schematic is lacking in detail, specifically it does not really
>give good data for a system with two pumps such as a boost and an engine
>driven one. This is an issue because it will be a pressure line with the
>boost pump on, and a suction line with it off if the transducer is between
>the boost pump and the engine driven one such as in my installation.
>
>Although the boost pump causes it to oscillate more and read higher the
>transducer oscillates with either pump, soooo, I was hoping this would make
>the thing a little more stable if I can figure out where the heck to
>install
>it. Any experiences out there.
>
>My existing system is tank - boost pump - fuel valve - transducer on floor
>in cabin - gascolator - hose to engine FP - hose to carb. I was kinda
>hoping that having the transducer between the ball and the gascolator would
>be the best option, but now I don't know.
>
>thx
>W
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in the Chicago area? |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 12/9/03 2:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, don@dmack.net
writes:
> West - Napper Aero -
> http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=LL10
> West - Brookeridge -
> http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=LL22
>
Also West - is Casa de Aero where frequent list participant Dennis Persyck is
based. He has sold his very nice RV-6 but would answer your questions I'm
sure.
Dale Ensing
former Chicago area RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Does any KSTL area builder need help or want to show off |
RV project?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burnett" <smileyburnett@charter.net>
Do not archive
Jerry,
I am building an RV-6A in the O'Fallon area of St.Charles My phone
636-294-6583
Ron Burnett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Huether" <jhuether@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Does any KSTL area builder need help or want to show off
RV project?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Huether" <jhuether@comcast.net>
>
> Is there anyone in the STL area building an RV that is interested in some
> help? Situation as follows:
> Possible flying job in STL area will require some reserve (on call) time
> that may be ideal for me to learn more about RV construction and assist
> someone building or flying an RV (more than 10 yrs experience as CFI,
CFII),
> and FWIW over 1 year as an apprentice A&P.
>
> Feel free to reply off list.
>
> Jerry Huether
> Tualatin, Oregon
> RV7 Preview Plans...
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Guys,
I have a few things on eBay if anyone's interested. If the link doesn't work just
search on the item number. If you have questions please contact me OFF LIST.
Thanks and Do Not Archive!
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing....
Turn Coordinator, item #2447588004
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447588004
Andair Mini Gascolator, item #2447590842
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447590842
Bendix Mags, item #2447592770
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447592770
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| Subject: | Re: Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Byrd <richardbyrd29@yahoo.com>
McMurdo Station has quite a bit of automobile gasoline.
According to the the U.S. Antarctic Program newspaper in December 2002
(http://www.polar.org/antsun/oldissues2002-2003/Sun120802/facts.html):
Cost per gallon of auto fuel: McMurdo - $1.25
Gallons of fuel burned each year: gasoline - 130,000
McMurdo Station is managed by the Office of Polar Programs of the
National Science Foundation. I'm sure they welcome public input on
their treatment of pilots who make emergency landings there.
The McMurdo Area Director is:
Jim Scott <Jim.Scott@usap.gov>
The director of the Office of Polar Programs is:
Karl Erb <kerb@nsf.gov>
The director of the NSF is:
Rita Colwell <rcolwell@nsf.gov>
By the way, for a photo of Jon's plane on the ground at McMurdo, visit:
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/richardbyrd29
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent Thunderbirds
crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries.
http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| Subject: | Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost |
his way
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Hey guys & gals,
I sent this to the Director of the base where Jon Johanson is stuck. I'll
let you know if/when he responds.
Chuck
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: C. Rabaut
Subject: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost his way
Mr. Scott,
You don't know me, but I'm requesting your assistance (no this ain't one of
those bogus multi-million dollar offers wanting your private bank account information).
Actually I'm a Police Lieutenant at our local P.D. I build & fly
RV-4's and it appears that one of my colleagues (Jon Johanson) has inadvertently
gotten himself in a predicament at your end of the universe. I live in
Coalinga, California so it's a bit out of my reach to fly down & lend this miscreant
lad a helping hand. Would you please consider lending your help to expedite
the acquisition of fuel for Mr. Johanson's aircraft; auto fuel will suffice.
I will gladly provide my credit card information or wire transfer the
funds for fuel to get him on his way.
If you are ever up in my neck of the woods, please feel free to contact me
and I'd gladly buy you dinner at the fanciest restaurant we can find. If you
have any questions, or there is a specific process I should follow to assist
this gentleman, please call me or email me your phone number and I'll call you.
Thank you,
Chuck Rabaut
work (559) ************* ext. 139
home (559) *************
cell (559) *************
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| Subject: | Re: Gas scooter fits in baggage compartment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
If you buy one, I would highly recommend one with soft, air-filled tires.
Those little solid wheels will make your fillings fall out.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: <Larygagnon@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas scooter fits in baggage compartment
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
>
> Try GETaPED.com They list electric and gas scooters. Most are 20 to
25
> pounds and up.
>
> Larry Gagnon
> RV6 N6LG
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in the Chicago area? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I live downtown but dont have my 6 there yet. I just flew the first flt
last wk and have a total of .5 hours on it. Im not sure where Im going to
keep it yet. Probably at Howe/New Lenox (sp?). Where are you?
Jeff Dowling
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Anyone in the Chicago area?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> What kind of RV presence is there in the Chicago area? Any airparks?
>
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
A message from the director of polar office programs
At 03:40 PM 12/10/03 -0500, Erb, Karl wrote:
>Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years
>standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his
>plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US policy. The
>taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and environmental
>protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that purpose. I'm
>sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur were others
>to follow Jon's example. In fact, similar events in the past have led to an
>international thrust to further regulate access to Antarctica. I hope
>things don't come to that.
>
>Karl
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 12/10/2003 4:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com
writes:
> >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years
> >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his
> >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US policy. The
> >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and environmental
> >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that purpose.
I'd submit that the typical taxpayer doesn't know you're there, and if he did,
he'd likely vote to pull the plug on your little party and cut his own family's
financial losses.
I'm
> >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur were others
> >to follow Jon's example.
Sure, there's droves of us EAA yahoos overloading our planes with avgas so we can
make a 38 houir flight over the pole. Since it's so easy, we'll all be doing
it soon, just for kicks. Rubbish, Komrade Karl.
In fact, similar events in the past have led to an
> >international thrust to further regulate access to
> Antarctica. I hope
> >things don't come to that.
> >
> >Karl
So- "they" plan to put up the no trespassing sign on a continent that nobody owns?
Look out for the Blue Helmeted thugs on the UN snowmobiles, huh? "Please
understand, we must do this for the children, and the baby seals , and the whales!"
I predict this boondoggle will ultimately have to be solved at a level somewhere
over our buddy Karl's head, and I wish Jon well.
-Bill B
semper rantus
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--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay Guys & Gals,
This is the reply I got. I'm gonna check further and I'll let you
all know if something positive develops.
Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
Dear recipient,
You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National Science
Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a private pilot who
recently landed there.
I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information contained in this
news release, which NSF has issued in response to the situation.
[West, Peter T.]
-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov]
National Science Foundation
4201 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22230
"Where discoveries begin"
For Immediate Release
Dec. 10, 2003
NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov
FROM ANTARCTICA
ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S.
research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to
continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back
to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National
Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand
counterparts said today.
The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the
pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits
the station in February at the end of each research season.
In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in
Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the
costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft.
Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly
from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed
at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8.
Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination,
fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey.
Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not
have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some.
Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott
Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made
for an emergency landing.
Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New
Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and
logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research
season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In
this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly
north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled
several times a week.
"We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely
offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou
Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand
(ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot
should have made the decision to abandon his original flight
plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and
returned to Invercargill in New Zealand."
Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are
government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock
fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private
expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs
of search and rescue efforts, if needed.
Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New
Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue
efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and
rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who
might have required those resources.
###
NSF PR03-141
The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency
that supports fundamental research and education across all
fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of
nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all
50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and
institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive
requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards.
The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in
professional and service contracts yearly.
Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically
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ANTARCTICA
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> HOME FROM
ANTARCTICA HOME FROM ANTARCTICA
Here is the bad news from the NSF Media contact guy, Peter West.
I sent him a response, but I doubt it will get too far.
Mickey
>From: "West, Peter T." <pwest@nsf.gov>
> FROM ANTARCTICA
>
>Dear recipient,
>
> You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National Science
Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a private pilot who
recently landed there.
>
>I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information contained in this
news release, which NSF has issued in response to the situation.
>
>
>[West, Peter T.]
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:47 PM
>To: NSF News
>
>National Science Foundation
>4201 Wilson Blvd.
>Arlington, VA 22230
>"Where discoveries begin"
>
>For Immediate Release
>Dec. 10, 2003
>
>NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov
>
>FROM ANTARCTICA
>
>ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S.
>research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to
>continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back
>to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National
>Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand
>counterparts said today.
>
>The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the
>pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits
>the station in February at the end of each research season.
>In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in
>Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the
>costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft.
>
>Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly
>from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed
>at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8.
>
>Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination,
>fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey.
>Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not
>have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some.
>
>Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott
>Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made
>for an emergency landing.
>
>Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New
>Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and
>logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research
>season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In
>this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly
>north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled
>several times a week.
>
>"We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely
>offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou
>Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand
>(ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot
>should have made the decision to abandon his original flight
>plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and
>returned to Invercargill in New Zealand."
>
>Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are
>government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock
>fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private
>expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs
>of search and rescue efforts, if needed.
>
>Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New
>Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue
>efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and
>rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who
>might have required those resources.
>
>###
>
>NSF PR03-141
>
>The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency
>that supports fundamental research and education across all
>fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of
>nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all
>50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and
>institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive
>requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards.
>The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in
>professional and service contracts yearly.
>
>Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically
>through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send
>an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of
>the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name.
>(Ex.: "subscribe nsfnews John Smith")
>
>Useful National Science Foundation Web Sites:
>NSF Home Page: http://www.nsf.gov
>News Highlights: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa
>Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm
>Science Statistics: http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/stats.htm
>Awards Searches: http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a6/A6Start.htm
>---
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GSM: +41-79-210-3762
FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007
Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Interesting.
I wonder, if the "Friends of Johanson" offered to pick up the tab for the
shipment of fuel on the next ship out what would be the reason for NOT
accepting such and outpouring from the citizens of the US and NZ (and the
world for that matter).
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:57 PM
> To: rv4-list@matronics.com
> Subject:
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Okay Guys & Gals,
>
> This is the reply I got. I'm gonna check further and
> I'll let you all know if something positive develops.
>
> Chuck
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: West, Peter T.
> To: 'Fiveonepw@aol.com' ; 'brettjepson@yahoo.com' ;
> 'crabaut@coalinga.com' ; 'mick@rv8.ch'
>
>
> Dear recipient,
>
> You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the
> National Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo
> Station regarding a private pilot who recently landed there.
>
> I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information
> contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response
> to the situation.
>
>
> [West, Peter T.]
>
> -
>
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| Subject: | A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
As I posted to a different message on the subject ...
Interesting.
I wonder, if the "Friends of Johanson" offered to pick up the tab for the
shipment of fuel on the next ship out what would be the reason for NOT
accepting such and outpouring from the citizens of the US and NZ (and the
world for that matter).
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:15 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> A message from the director of polar office programs
>
> At 03:40 PM 12/10/03 -0500, Erb, Karl wrote:
> >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years
> >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his
> >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US
> policy. The
> >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and
> environmental
> >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that
> purpose. I'm
> >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur
> were others
> >to follow Jon's example. In fact, similar events in the past
> have led to an
> >international thrust to further regulate access to Antarctica. I hope
> >things don't come to that.
> >
> >Karl
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Re: Amazing video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Darwin,
I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip?
Thanks,
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries.
>
> http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his
office is now underway. I'll keep you posted.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
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| Subject: | RE: National Science Foundation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> National Science Foundation
> "Where discoveries begin"
Oh? Just what do we get for our billions of tax dollars? I suppose we
are protecting some special Antarctic bacteria. I'll bet it would
really be entertaining to be a speck on the wall down at that joint.
If we suggest to our elected representatives that perhaps the whole
thing should be shut down, maybe things will move off dead center for
Jon.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 423 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
It is clean on mine, maybe just your system rejecting it.
Darwin
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Darwin,
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
> and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this
clip?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>;
> <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
> Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor
injuries.
> >
> > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Re: Amazing video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Worked on mine.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Darwin,
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
> and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this
clip?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>;
> <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
> Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor
injuries.
> >
> > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Chuck,
It worked for me.
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Darwin,
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
> and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this
clip?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>;
> <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
> Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor
injuries.
> >
> > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jon Johanson |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his
> office is now underway. I'll keep you posted.
>
> Andy
> Builder's Bookstore
>
> do not archive
>
I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, no reply......Also
to Pete
Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply......
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
My computer also rejected it. Liked to have seen it but could not do it
bobby
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Darwin,
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
> and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this
clip?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>;
> <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
> Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor
injuries.
> >
> > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jon & avgas in Antarctica |
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
There is a Cessna 185 of Canadian registry which winters over in a
dug-in hanger under the ice in Antarctica and flies the summer months
doing logistical support all over Antarctica.
The operating company has been Adventure Network International.
http://www.adventure-network.com/
Toll-Free (866) 395-6664
International (561) 237-2359
Fax (561) 347-7523
Adventure Network International
4800 N. Federal Highway Suite 307D
Boca Raton, FL 33431, USA
general@adventure-network.com
Monday-Friday 9:00 - 5:00
ANI also has flown twin otters, a South African C-130, and a Russian
Il-76 (http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/Il-76bsmall.jpg) out of
Punta Arenas, Chile. Their main Antarctic base has been adjacent to a
natural 7,000 ft. blue ice runway in the Patriot Hills
=A0
Established in 1987, it is the only private camp in Antarctica.
The camp is at 80=BA 19' south latitude and 81=BA 16' west longitude, 1000m
above sea level and 1076km from the South Pole.
An acquaintance, Tony Martin of K2 Aviation, Talkeetna, Alaska, flew
the Antarctic 185 for a season a couple of years ago. Tony works in the
Alaska summer for K2 Aviation, (907) 733-2291 in Talkeetna.
http://www.flyk2.com/ K2 email: info@flyk2
I volunteer this info. not knowing if it will be helpful to anyone at
all but rather to point out that in years past, and possibly currently,
there have been private caches of avgas on the Southern Continent. In
addition to ANI's primary bases, Tony used to to cache barrels of avgas
here and there for contingencies. He'd find 'em by GPS.
My understanding is that for some number ofv years ANI has been the
largest non-governmental logistical support outfit on the Southern
Continent.
Perhaps someone in Punta Arenas, or someone else connected with ANI,
might have some useful information.
It's possible that Tony could be tracked down via K2 or via someone
else in Talkeetna.
Tony may have a bit of relatively current Antarctic "general aviation"
information. He's been there and done that. (in a Cessna!) I hear
from K2 that Tony is on holiday visiting family somewhere in the
Eastern US right now.
Punta Arenas (ANI)
During the Antarctic season (October through February) ANI opens it's
Antarctic=A0operations office in Punta Arenas, Chile.
To contact Adventure Network International in Chile (October-February):
Adventure Network International
935 Arauco
Punta Arenas
Chile
South America
Tel: (56) 61 24 77 35
Fax: (56) 61 22 61 67
E-mail: anichile@ctcinternet.cl
Possibly and unfortunately. ANI may have little (or no) presence in the
South this season.
(I just ran across this press release)...
http://www.adventure-network.com/display.asp?navid4&id209
News Release
Contact: Susan Keaveney
Phone: 407-523-2742
E-mail: susan@adventure-network.com
Adventure Network International to Suspend 2003/2004 Antarctic
Operations
BOCA RATON, Fla. (August, 2003) =97 Adventure Network International has
officially announced their decision to postpone operations to the
Antarctic interior until 2004/2005. The decision, made in late July,
was intentionally not made public until all communications to staff and
clients were first addressed.
(might not hurt to call 'em)
Kind Regards, (and best wishes to Jon!)
Blanton Fortson (Anchorage) 907 229 2971
http://homepage.mac.com/blanton
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On Dec 10, 2003, at 2:09 PM, Mickey Coggins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> HOME FROM ANTARCTICA HOME FROM ANTARCTICA
>
> Here is the bad news from the NSF Media contact guy, Peter West.
>
> I sent him a response, but I doubt it will get too far.
>
> Mickey
>
>
>> From: "West, Peter T." <pwest@nsf.gov>
>> FROM ANTARCTICA
>>
>> Dear recipient,
>>
>> You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National
>> Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a
>> private pilot who recently landed there.
>>
>> I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information
>> contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response to
>> the situation.
>>
>>
>> [West, Peter T.]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:47 PM
>> To: NSF News
>>
>> National Science Foundation
>> 4201 Wilson Blvd.
>> Arlington, VA 22230
>> "Where discoveries begin"
>>
>> For Immediate Release
>> Dec. 10, 2003
>>
>> NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov
>>
>> FROM ANTARCTICA
>>
>> ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S.
>> research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to
>> continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back
>> to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National
>> Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand
>> counterparts said today.
>>
>> The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the
>> pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits
>> the station in February at the end of each research season.
>> In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in
>> Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the
>> costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft.
>>
>> Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly
>> from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed
>> at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8.
>>
>> Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination,
>> fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey.
>> Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not
>> have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some.
>>
>> Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott
>> Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made
>> for an emergency landing.
>>
>> Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New
>> Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and
>> logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research
>> season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In
>> this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly
>> north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled
>> several times a week.
>>
>> "We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely
>> offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou
>> Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand
>> (ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot
>> should have made the decision to abandon his original flight
>> plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and
>> returned to Invercargill in New Zealand."
>>
>> Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are
>> government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock
>> fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private
>> expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs
>> of search and rescue efforts, if needed.
>>
>> Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New
>> Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue
>> efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and
>> rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who
>> might have required those resources.
>>
>> ###
>>
>> NSF PR03-141
>>
>> The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency
>> that supports fundamental research and education across all
>> fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of
>> nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all
>> 50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and
>> institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive
>> requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards.
>> The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in
>> professional and service contracts yearly.
>>
>> Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically
>> through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send
>> an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of
>> the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name.
>> (Ex.: "subscribe nsfnews John Smith")
>>
>> Useful National Science Foundation Web Sites:
>> NSF Home Page: http://www.nsf.gov
>> News Highlights: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa
>> Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm
>> Science Statistics: http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/stats.htm
>> Awards Searches: http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a6/A6Start.htm
>> ---
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> GSM: +41-79-210-3762
> FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007
> Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive
>
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| Subject: | A reply from the director of Polar Office |
Programs
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> Programs
I've got my check book out...
As was previously posted, the cost of gasoline there is
cheaper than in the USA and certainly most of the world,
probably due to no tax. 1.25 USD/gallon in 2002
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0105.html
As much as they burn, they can spare 100 gallons until
the next shipment comes in. Perhaps they should open
up a FBO there to offset some of the tax money they spend.
>I wonder, if the "Friends of Johanson" offered to pick up the tab for the
>shipment of fuel on the next ship out what would be the reason for NOT
>accepting such and outpouring from the citizens of the US and NZ (and the
>world for that matter).
>
>James
--
Mickey Coggins
GSM: +41-79-210-3762
FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007
Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive
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Sounds like an entrenched bureaucrat - must be time for him to retire to
warmer climates.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut
Subject:
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay Guys & Gals,
This is the reply I got. I'm gonna check further and I'll let
you all know if something positive develops.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: West, Peter T.
'mick@rv8.ch'
Dear recipient,
You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National
Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a
private pilot who recently landed there.
I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information contained in
this news release, which NSF has issued in response to the situation.
[West, Peter T.]
-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov]
National Science Foundation
4201 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22230
"Where discoveries begin"
For Immediate Release
Dec. 10, 2003
NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov
FROM ANTARCTICA
ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S.
research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to
continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back
to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National
Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand
counterparts said today.
The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the
pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits
the station in February at the end of each research season.
In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in
Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the
costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft.
Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly
from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed
at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8.
Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination,
fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey.
Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not
have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some.
Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott
Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made
for an emergency landing.
Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New
Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and
logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research
season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In
this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly
north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled
several times a week.
"We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely
offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou
Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand
(ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot
should have made the decision to abandon his original flight
plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and
returned to Invercargill in New Zealand."
Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are
government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock
fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private
expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs
of search and rescue efforts, if needed.
Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New
Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue
efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and
rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who
might have required those resources.
###
NSF PR03-141
The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency
that supports fundamental research and education across all
fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of
nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all
50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and
institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive
requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards.
The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in
professional and service contracts yearly.
Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically
through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send
an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of
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Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm
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| Subject: | re: Jon Johanson |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Might as well make a national scandal out of this. If you were an Australian (or
of any other nationality), what would you think.
"One more example of American arrogance!"
Aren't we supposed to be trying to make some friends in the world?
Andy
do not archive
>
> I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, no reply......Also
to Pete
> Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply......
>
> Phil
> >
> > I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his
> > office is now underway. I'll keep you posted.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > do not archive
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Jon Johanson |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Where the heck is EAA on this? As much publicity as Jon has generated
for them over the years they should be
all over this, are they?
Jerry
do not archive.
Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
>Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>>
>>I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his
>>office is now underway. I'll keep you posted.
>>
>>Andy
>>Builder's Bookstore
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, no reply......Also
to Pete
>Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply......
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
>
>Sure, there's droves of us EAA yahoos overloading our planes with avgas so
>we can make a 38 houir flight over the pole.
Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Folks would land there constantly if they were not hard nosed
about it. Then they would not have the resources to perform their research.
It would become a tourist stop instead of a research facility.
If you have an emergency, you can land. They will purposely make
your life difficult so if you do so that folks will, indeed, land only in a
genuine emergency. If you have a genuine emergency, you won't really care
that they won't sell you fuel, etc. You will be thankful just to be alive.
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| Subject: | Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
As they say- never accept "NO" from a person who doesn't have the power to
say "YES".
Curt Hoffman
RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail
Quick build fuselage now in basement
Piper Cherokee N5320W
1974 TR6
HD Road King Classic
(Maybe I need a boat too)
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/10/2003 4:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
>
> > >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years
> > >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his
> > >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US policy.
The
> > >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and
environmental
> > >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that purpose.
>
> I'd submit that the typical taxpayer doesn't know you're there, and if he
did, he'd likely vote to pull the plug on your little party and cut his own
family's financial losses.
>
> I'm
> > >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur were
others
> > >to follow Jon's example.
>
> Sure, there's droves of us EAA yahoos overloading our planes with avgas so
we can make a 38 houir flight over the pole. Since it's so easy, we'll all
be doing it soon, just for kicks. Rubbish, Komrade Karl.
>
> In fact, similar events in the past have led to an
> > >international thrust to further regulate access to
> > Antarctica. I hope
> > >things don't come to that.
> > >
> > >Karl
>
> So- "they" plan to put up the no trespassing sign on a continent that
nobody owns? Look out for the Blue Helmeted thugs on the UN snowmobiles,
huh? "Please understand, we must do this for the children, and the baby
seals , and the whales!"
>
> I predict this boondoggle will ultimately have to be solved at a level
somewhere over our buddy Karl's head, and I wish Jon well.
>
> -Bill B
> semper rantus
> do not archive
>
>
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"BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com" <BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@comcast.net>
Guys,
I'll be offline for approximately 3.5 weeks starting tomorrow as we
begin the process of moving to Florida. We're looking forward to getting
away from what's shaping up to be another fierce New England winter.
Moving into our new house & hangar at Leeward will be pretty nice, too!
Gotta get started on the next project... :-)
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
Leeward Air Ranch
Ocala, FL
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Chuck, I got it to work. It took patience, since something like 4 meg's
chugged across my phone line. Pretty interesting, the pilot doesn't
look real busy, although it appears that his left hand is alternating
between the throttle and the eject handle on the way down. Anyone hear
what happened?
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 423 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
do not archive
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it
> registered as a virus and would not let me accept/play it.
> Did anyone else get to view this clip? Thanks,
>
> Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing video |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Alex Peterson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> Chuck, I got it to work. It took patience, since something like 4 meg's
> chugged across my phone line. Pretty interesting, the pilot doesn't
> look real busy, although it appears that his left hand is alternating
> between the throttle and the eject handle on the way down. Anyone hear
> what happened?
Ground view of Thunderbird crash:
http://www.ktvb.com/cgi-bin/bi/video/G2redirect.pl?title=5101714
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
As the expression goes ... "they're working on it" (well, kinda) .
See: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/031210_johanson.html
Does not sound like they are pushing to get him gas though. Seems like the
effort is to get him on a ship with his plane being "disassembled" and
crated for shipment as well (so it will not create an environmental hazard
to the area). If this occurs, Jon will surely get a VERY LARGE bill in the
mail.
Seem like it would be simpler to send in a few more gallons on the next ship
over and let him fly out. Charge him for the shipment of the gas. Of course,
this all assumes there isNO accessible SOURCE of gas on the continent.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:46 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Jon Johanson
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Where the heck is EAA on this? As much publicity as Jon has generated
> for them over the years they should be
> all over this, are they?
>
> Jerry
> do not archive.
>
>
> Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield
> Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
> >
> >Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book
> Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> >>
> >>I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his
> >>office is now underway. I'll keep you posted.
> >>
> >>Andy
> >>Builder's Bookstore
> >>
> >>do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal,
> no reply......Also to Pete
> >Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply......
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | TBird crash-what happened |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
The maneuver was a half reverse Cuban eight. He pulls to the 45 degree, draws a
line, then does a half roll. After the half roll he was supposed to continue
on the line before completing the loop portion. The video shows he began to pull
almost immediately after completing the half roll.
The report I read said he was supposed to draw the line after the roll for about
2 seconds to give him an extra 1000 ft. Also if you watch close you can see
his left hand make a couple of quick attempts at the ejection before he finally
gets it. Some said the engine quite but I think he cut it off before he finally
got out. Makes sense if he missed the handle a couple of times.
Do you think the guys in the tower where messing their britches???
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Madden <pete@guranda.com>
Thanks guys for your support for Jon from another Aussie.
I cant believe they want to tear down Jons aircraft and crate it back
all for the want of 100 US gals of gas.
Pete
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--> RV-List message posted by: Warren W Hurd <warren@ahyup.com>
I assume these twits were not elected, any one know who appointed them?
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Cost per gallon of auto fuel: McMurdo - $1.25
Gallons of fuel burned each year: gasoline - 130,000
McMurdo Station is managed by the Office of Polar Programs of the
National Science Foundation. I'm sure they welcome public input on
their treatment of pilots who make emergency landings there.
The McMurdo Area Director is:
Jim Scott <Jim.Scott@usap.gov>
The director of the Office of Polar Programs is:
Karl Erb <kerb@nsf.gov>
The director of the NSF is:
Rita Colwell <rcolwell@nsf.gov>
By the way, for a photo of Jon's plane on the ground at McMurdo, visit:
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/richardbyrd29
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Sorry to be so harsh, but I may have to bring out my vote on this one.
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Warren
http://ahyup.com
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| Subject: | Re: Scotch-Brite |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith <dave@rv10project.net>
Chris,
I think I paid just under $12 for a box of 20 from McMasterCarr, which
is comparable. You might give them a look.
chris wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: chris <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
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>I just noticed that MSC has the maroon 7447 Scotch-Brite hand pads on
>sale for $37.99 for a box of 60. I know 60 is enough to build about 10
>planes but if you are part of a group of local builders or an EAA
>chapter it would be great deal.
>
>http://www.mscdirect.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=&pcount=&Product_Id=460029&query=PG03356557
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Dave
http://www.rv10project.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: Warren W Hurd <warren@ahyup.com>
http://www.sethwhite.org/walking%20the%20fuel%20lines.htm
http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/support/bidders/ppt/daveb-image/sld020.htm
http://www.newzeal.com/theme/Ships/Tanker/Gianella.htm
http://www.newzeal.com/theme/Ships/Tanker/guswdarnell.htm
http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/AntarBases.html (scroll down to
McMurdo)
http://www.irmahale.com/1999e.html
It is not like they do not have any fuel....
Warren
http://ahyup.com
RV-9A wings
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